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19:17 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: Sat 15th 7pm || SS: Sun 23rd 12pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
19:17 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Feb 11 20:51:40 2014
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49:28 <Steven> if monsters advance in power at 1x progression
49:41 <Steven> then players need to keep their progression in power at the same level
50:09 <Steven> or you end up in situations where monsters are significantly more powerful when compared to PCs
50:36 <Steven> power gaming is making a character whos power level increases at 1.2-1.5x
51:39 <Steven> most prestige classes take a character who is progressing at 1x and take it to .5-.9x
51:57 <Steven> which means they slow the power progression of a character.
52:12 <Steven> usually this is in trade for flavor.
52:20 <Steven> in short.
52:50 <Steven> prestige classes are for the most part not a good choice when building a character.
53:40 <Steven> notable exceptions are things like shadow dancer and dragon disciple
53:42 <Spaceshot_> a dip in chronicler is good for just the 100g deep pocket
53:58 <Steven> not really spaceshot
54:29 <Steven> if you properly buy consumables you negate the benefit of the class feature completely
54:31 <Spaceshot_> it is when you think of the insane amount of possibility
54:51 <Spaceshot_> you aren't going to fit every single viable option in your bag without it being encumbered
55:03 <Steven> which is why you buy a handy haversack.
55:16 <Steven> or a bag of holding, that negates the need for worrying about backpack space.
55:35 <Spaceshot_> most people don't bother with either
55:45 <Steven> then they are retarded.
55:50 <Spaceshot_> I've only known one character/player besides mine to do so
56:30 <Spaceshot_> but you can seriously just delve through UE to come up with a solution to any problem
56:36 <Spaceshot_> it is extremely handy
56:46 <Spaceshot_> "being prepared" doesn't even come close to that ability
56:59 <Steven> yes, it does.
57:05 <Spaceshot_> no, it doesn't
57:15 <Spaceshot_> have you ever needed 4 collapsable 10ft rods?
58:02 <Steven> not that i needed to pull out of a pocket.
58:06 <Steven> because... wait for it.
58:17 <Spaceshot_> deep pockets says backpack
58:17 <Steven> adventuring kit.
58:26 <Spaceshot_> adventuring kit has 1
58:58 <Steven> and there isnt a scenario thats like, players can build a bridge with 4 collapsable 10ft rods.
59:00 <Spaceshot_> but the best part about deep pockets is the ability to get an item for others
59:28 <Philderbeast> so Steven you carry EVERY item in every source book under 100GP on you all the time?
59:29 <Spaceshot_> you can easily be like "ok, I'll get you this potion, but you owe me 50g"
59:47 <Spaceshot_> and most players, when they need that potion to continue, will agree, and love your flexibility
00:06 <Steven> yeah or you could just carry the potion for 50g.
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00:31 <Philderbeast> so you cary every potion on you all the time?
00:42 <Steven> not every item philder, but you dont need every item.
00:57 <Philderbeast> so what do you do when you find one you dont have on you
01:08 <Philderbeast> and need it
01:13 <Steven> wait for the barbarian to kill it.
01:22 <Steven> since thats what barbarians do.
01:51 <Philderbeast> and when its needed for something the barbarian cant kill, like i dont know drowning?
02:27 <Steven> air crystals.
02:41 <Philderbeast> you just used your last one
02:57 <Steven> unlikely since i carry more than 1.
03:11 <Philderbeast> your on the water plane
03:21 <Spaceshot_> you can't share gold
03:23 <Steven> seriously how much do you guys spend on consumables?
03:38 <Spaceshot_> but you can pay for costs of other people's abilities/spells if it is being used on you
03:39 <Philderbeast> not as much as you obviously if your always prepared for everything
04:14 <Steven> because my characters usually spend about 20% of every scenario's take on consumables until i have around 4-5k worth of random gear.
04:33 <Steven> and replace as necessary 
05:47 <Spaceshot_> steven, would the cleric in the party have to pay for the regents to cast restoration to remove your negative level?
05:51 <Spaceshot_> or would you pay for it?
06:11 <Avatar> yo
06:16 <Avatar> big day for PFS GMs
06:17 <Spaceshot_> sup
06:17 <Steven> if you have the reagents you can give them the reagent
06:19 <Philderbeast> but regarless that wasnt the point i was trying to make, the point is you can only be so prepared before you find there is something you need that you wont have, prehaps you havent bought it yet or prehaps you just used your last one
06:20 <Spaceshot_> we heard avatar
06:34 <Philderbeast> either way you need one more and all your preperation cant give it to you atht momenth you need it
06:52 <Spaceshot_> steven, not everyone is as prepared as possible
06:55 <Spaceshot_> you might, and woo to you
06:58 <Spaceshot_> but everyone is not
07:08 <Steven> if you're at a store you can purchase the reagents and give them to the player
07:39 <Steven> but they cant use their reagents and then at end of scenario you mark off some gold and say i buy you some reagents for the stuff you used on me.
08:07 <Spaceshot_> that is retarded
08:10 <Spaceshot_> and unfair steven
08:17 <Steven> no, those are the rules.
08:19 <Spaceshot_> I'm not saying it's not in there, but if it is, that's just retarded
09:14 <Philderbeast> Avatar: would be better if i could acctully get the download
09:28 <Spaceshot_> why can't you philder?
09:30 <Spaceshot_> I can
09:37 <Philderbeast> im getting not found errors
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10:10 <Philderbeast> The requested URL was not found on this server, or you do not have permission to access this area.
10:36 <Spaceshot_> gimme a sec philder
11:03 <Spaceshot_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17432113/GMStarChronicle.zip
11:05 <Spaceshot_> go nuts
11:18 <Philderbeast> thanks
11:26 <Spaceshot_> no probs
11:38 <Steven> philder my point is you've got to get a significant way down the prestige class before the Deep Pockets pool of gold becomes large enough that it is anywhere near the tank you take to power level of a character.
11:41 <Spaceshot_> the last one for 5star GM on scrolls is good
12:16 <Spaceshot_> I still think a single level dip for a support bard would work
13:47 <Steven> a Single level dip to gain access to 2 first level potions, or 4 first level scrolls chosen at the time you need them.
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14:20 <Avatar> I'm not sure how it works exactly
14:27 <Avatar> do you get just one use ever
14:43 <Avatar> do you activate it forever when you spend a day job, or just for that scenario
14:54 <Avatar> most of them don't seem to expire on one use
15:15 <Steven> yeah or you could just spend 100g each scenario and eventually not need the ability at all because you will end up getting a potion/scroll of every first level spell available.
15:16 <Philderbeast> you get access to the boon by meeting the requirements and spending 1 pp/dayjob roll (only once to get it
15:17 <Avatar> it's a bit strange because things like that are pretty elementary rpg superstar type things
15:21 <Philderbeast> and then your fine
15:49 <Avatar> can you get all of them with one day job/prestige?
15:57 <Avatar> do you have to wait until the end of the scenario to activate it
16:04 <Spaceshot_> no, it's one day job/prestige per boon
16:10 <Spaceshot_> it's 5 boons
16:20 <Steven> yeah you can only do 1/scenario
16:51 <Avatar> so when you use any one of those during a scenario, you forego your day job roll or 1 prestige?
17:31 <Philderbeast> hmmm these boons are nice
17:32 <Steven> yup
17:51 <Philderbeast> thats not how i read it
18:04 <Philderbeast> you forgo the dayjob/pp to get the boon on your character
18:11 <Philderbeast> you can then use the boon at any time after that
18:16 <Philderbeast> within its written limits
18:18 <Avatar> quiet day
20:10 <Avatar> anyone been looking over rpg superstar?
24:28 <Philderbeast> also space you might want to redownload that at some stage
24:36 <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
24:38 <Philderbeast> wand
24:57 <Spaceshot_> depends if they update it
24:58 <Spaceshot> didn't realise that was happening now
25:06 <Spaceshot> been spending most of today looking for artists
25:23 <Philderbeast> from what im reading thats why people cant download it, they tookk it down to fix it
26:01 <Avatar> round 3 chief
26:08 <Avatar> didn't you notice the big RPG SUPERSTAR logo 
26:09 <Spaceshot_> just redownloaded it
26:13 <Spaceshot_> still same cost
26:19 <Spaceshot> nope, don't really pay attention/care for it
26:20 <Philderbeast> hmmm
26:39 <Philderbeast> paying for a 50 charge wand with only 10 charges... no thanks
26:48 <Avatar> you learn a lot from it
36:29 <Avatar> it's at the price of 10 charges
36:34 <Avatar> you can't buy them normally
36:42 <Avatar> has to be on a chronicle sheet and you're usually limited to 1
36:54 <Brunius> <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
36:54 <Avatar> limited use wands are the best items on chronicle sheets
38:44 <Avatar> Heboric
41:37 <Avatar> that was rude
52:40 <Spaceshot_> sadly, I don't think I'm going to buy the 17 charge lightning bolt wand avatar
52:52 <Spaceshot_> but that is sooooooooo useful if I had it on a blaster
53:07 <Ulzef2> ello
54:21 <Avatar> what 17 charge lightning bolt wand
54:35 <Spaceshot_> I think it was 17
54:43 <Avatar> what are you talking about
54:44 <Spaceshot_> from ruby phoenix
54:46 <Avatar> imposter!
55:01 <Avatar> how was I meant to know you were referring to a wand from ruby phoneix
55:15 <Spaceshot_> because we played it together?
55:17 <Spaceshot> the question is, do we need Ulzef the original? this one will probably cost less
55:19 <Spaceshot_> true it was 2 years ago
55:20 <Spaceshot_> anyway
55:33 <Spaceshot_> it's 12 charges and 20 charges
55:37 <Spaceshot_> and don't say limit 1
55:39 <Spaceshot_> which is awesome
55:47 <Spaceshot_> if I were a blaster, or had it on my spell list
56:16 <Ulzef> Anyone kn ow when brun is running next?
56:26 <Spaceshot> what is brun running again?
56:37 <Ulzef> serpent skull
57:46 <Spaceshot> supposedly sunday 23rd 12pm
57:52 <Spaceshot> helps to look at the message
02:26 <Ulzef> true
04:29 <Avatar> check the topic yo
04:32 <Avatar> did I forget to schedule it
05:07 <Spaceshot> says 23rd at 12pm to me
26:00 <Steven> sup.
26:01 <Steven> im back
26:08 <Spaceshot_> didn't even realise you left
26:18 <Steven> like a ninja!
28:42 <Steven> i has popcorn
38:22 <Avatar> who's in SS?
42:39 <Avatar> games scheduled
49:28 <Steven> gonna go play me some rust
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02:24 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing this is a no, but can a half-elf's Arcane Training be used for alchemist/investigator?
02:29 <Spaceshot> Arcane Training: Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to
02:30 <Spaceshot> help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with
02:30 <Spaceshot> this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an
02:30 <Spaceshot> arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell
02:30 <Spaceshot> completion items for their favored class as if one level higher
02:30 <Spaceshot> (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class).
02:32 <Spaceshot> This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.
03:42 <Brunius> I believe those two have been classified as non-spellcasters for purposes of prestige classes
03:47 <Brunius> I don't see why this would be any different
04:36 <Spaceshot> because it's not a prestige class?
04:45 <Spaceshot> and being pathfinder likes to be weird with all it's rulings
10:58 <Avatar> class has nothing to do with it?
11:03 <Avatar> what item do you want to use
11:30 <Avatar> spell trigger/spell completion
11:34 <Avatar> as long as you're not talking about bombs or something
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37:23 <Spaceshot> I'd get it because it means at level 3 I can use a level 2 scroll and not fail it, or at level 6 a level 3 scroll
37:25 <Spaceshot> and so on
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39:27 <Avatar> what
39:33 <Avatar> you can use level 2 scrolls at level 3 anyway
40:15 <Avatar> oh wait, alchemist
40:52 <Avatar> "as if one level higher" has a specific meaning as to what it applies to
40:55 <Avatar> I can't remember what it is
41:04 <Avatar> check with mekkis
43:31 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuup bitches.
45:30 <Avatar> or with steven
46:10 <Steven> sup avatar. how ya doin
48:43 <Avatar> yo sup
48:46 <Avatar> spaceshot needs your help
48:54 <Steven> whats he need help with?
49:48 <Steven> if it is official support from a VO he should contact Caubo.
55:39 <Steven> sooooooooo
55:48 <Steven> space what can i help you with? i have things i want to do
55:56 <Steven> and dont wanna sit around waiting for what you need help with.
56:01 <Avatar> rules question
56:12 <Steven> sure, whats the question
56:21 <Avatar> <Spaceshot> I'm guessing this is a no, but can a half-elf's Arcane Training be used for alchemist/investigator?
56:33 <Avatar> 19:35] <Spaceshot> I'd get it because it means at level 3 I can use a level 2 scroll and not fail it, or at level 6 a level 3 scroll
56:33 <Avatar> [19:35] <Spaceshot> and so on
01:00 <Steven> so if they choose an arcane spellcasting class
01:02 <Spaceshot> sorry was on my laptop
01:13 <Spaceshot> steven, can I choose alchemist/investigator
02:05 <Steven> for favored class options?
02:22 <Spaceshot> for Arcane Training
02:34 <Spaceshot> Arcane Training: Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to
02:34 <Spaceshot> help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with
02:35 <Spaceshot> this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an
02:35 <Spaceshot> arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell
02:35 <Spaceshot> completion items for their favored class as if one level higher
02:36 <Spaceshot> (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class).
02:38 <Spaceshot> This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.
02:44 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing no
02:48 <Spaceshot> but want to make sure
04:06 <Steven> so you only get one favored class.
05:26 <Spaceshot> yes I know that part
05:48 <Steven> so are you trying to select alchemist for arcane training?
06:03 <Spaceshot> or investigator, most likely investigator
06:08 <Steven> because they are not arcane spellcasters
06:10 <Spaceshot> but they both do the same spellcasting type
06:28 <Spaceshot> gotcha
06:45 <Spaceshot> so do they also auto fail casting from scrolls?
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06:46 <Steven> i'd look around on the forum
07:03 <Spaceshot> well not auto fail, just don't auto succeed
07:15 <Steven> see if you can find something that says they are/are-not arcane spellcasters
07:22 <Spaceshot> mmm
07:45 <Steven> alchemists are a fairly clunkly class.
07:47 <Spaceshot> I don't really care about that thing persay, it's just that I'm not going to use multitalented, and was just checking if I could use this over it
08:15 <Steven> when it comes to rules interactions with things.
08:23 <Spaceshot> they are
08:26 <Steven> i suggest just sinking ranks into UMD.
08:37 <Steven> negate the problem all together.
08:41 <Spaceshot> will do
08:57 <Steven> alright, brb, gotta do stuff.
26:52 <s_gmusic> So... got a GM question: For level 1 scenario/modules that are infinitely repeatable for players, do GMs get the credit each time they run it? seems like it would be fair, but I'm still fairly new to PFS GMing and know that the printed rule is "Play once, GM once."
27:44 <Spaceshot> yes
27:54 <Spaceshot> each we be goblins, or First steps1
27:58 <Spaceshot> or the confrontation
28:02 <Spaceshot> or whatever else is repeatable
28:08 <Spaceshot> you also get GM credit
29:04 <s_gmusic> nice. just ran Confirmation for the second time tonight and wasn't sure. of course, I didn't think about it until after the Venture Lieutenant and our main GM left for the night, so couldn't ask them.
29:06 <s_gmusic> :\
48:10 <Mekkis> Avatar, you around?
48:15 <Avatar> sure am
48:53 <Mekkis> any chance you can send me the map for Library of the Lion: I'll be running it in a few weeks' time, and getting canvas printing it seems like a good idea
49:18 <Mekkis> preferably directly extracted from the PDF
49:20 <Avatar> neg, sorry
49:27 <Avatar> I don't want to send anything by post
49:39 <Mekkis> email or skype is fine
49:40 <Avatar> if you were in melb I'd let you grab it
49:46 <Avatar> do you want the jpg
49:56 <Avatar> sec
49:59 <Mekkis> yeah. I was planning on getting it printed
50:58 <Mekkis> Which reminds me Way of the Wicked, evening of the 15th. 7pm. I believe
50:59 <Avatar> how come you can't extract it?
51:28 <Mekkis> I don't have the mod yet. I'll be getting it as part of the whole "con GM package"
51:43 <Mekkis> but given the turnaround for printing, I'd like to send the request off soon
51:47 <Avatar> gotcha
51:54 <Avatar> are you seeing the transfer
52:01 <Avatar> my IRC might be a bit fukkerd
52:02 <Mekkis> * DCC RECV connect attempt to Avatar failed (err=Connection timed out).
55:20 <Mekkis> thanks
55:24 <Mekkis> do you want a copy?
56:07 <Avatar> http://www.sirlingames.com/products/chess-2-print-and-play
57:58 <Avatar> nah I've got a (dodgy) copy
58:03 <Avatar> I will probably not even use it anymore
58:11 <Avatar> should've given it to the other guys
58:21 <Mekkis> not planning on running it again?
58:35 <Avatar> in person, not likely
59:09 <Avatar> had no issues, but I'd rather run something else
59:21 <Avatar> don't mind running it again online for people who haven't played it
59:51 <Mekkis> I might run it online, soon, perhaps. Good to get some practice before the con
59:53 <Avatar> I'm thinking of running portal of the sacred rune next if possible
00:17 <Avatar> not sure if there is any interest in it
00:29 <Avatar> won't run it if there isn't, it's a 7-11 I've already run before
00:58 <Mekkis> when I ran it, it was the worst game I ever GMed
01:08 <Avatar> I ran all the season 3 plot relevant scenarios earlier on, except for rats of round mountain, storming the diamond gate and portal of the sacred rune
01:31 <Avatar> it was pretty good for our crews
01:54 <Avatar> I played it with the PSOC guys before I ran it, wasn't pretty
02:00 <Avatar> one guy died twice in the scenario
02:12 <Mekkis> you weren't GMing for three over-the-top powergamers, and their two disinterested girlfriends.
02:18 <Avatar> we brought him back out to get a raise dead so he could keep playing
02:20 <Avatar> then he died again
02:33 <Avatar> that is a terrible group
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02:57 <Avatar> why do the girlfriends even bother to show up
04:03 <Mekkis> not sure
04:15 <Mekkis> because they've been dragged along to every other session
04:17 <deruitus> d n dddddd
04:30 <deruitus> its not fair
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04:51 <deruitus> why does schapelle corby earn 3 million bucks for an interview
05:11 <deruitus> id spend 9 years in a bali prison if i was gonna earn that much
05:37 <deruitus> stupid australia,  it praises criminals
06:33 <Mekkis> to reach ~level 9, on slow track
11:29 <silverado> i luv this shit guys
11:47 <silverado> please dont mind me for the next few minutes
11:57 <silverado> my psychiatrist recommends i do this
12:00 <silverado> d n ddddddddddddddd
12:03 <silverado> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
12:09 <silverado> d n dddddddddddddddddddddddddd  deeeeeeeeeee
12:12 <silverado> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
12:26 * silverado bangs his head against his table
12:29 <silverado> d n ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
12:39 <silverado> yo yo partayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
12:55 <Brunius> Hmm
13:11 <Brunius> oh shit what
13:14 <Brunius> avatar fix it
14:03 <Brunius> when did I get opped
14:55 <Brunius> might need to unban bigpond, too
15:24 <Avatar> do you not know how to ban people
15:29 <Brunius> clicked the wrong button
16:08 <Brunius> hit @.host instead of @domain
16:17 <ricin> http://imgur.com/rA5b8hi
18:26 <Mekkis> what's that?
21:02 <Avatar> I'm kind of amazed how persistent he is
21:13 <Avatar> like I can pretty persistently ban people
21:22 <Avatar> to the point where they generally give up out of boredom or whatever
21:32 <Avatar> but that guy just has nothing better to do
21:36 <Brunius> Mmm
24:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, Step 1: use GIMP to waterbrush over the secret door
27:55 <Mekkis> Step 2: fire up Inkscape, and create a 1" grid, resize to correct scaling
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29:04 <Avatar-> d n dddd
29:40 <Brunius|M> No ops
30:29 <Avatar> I have ops
30:37 <Avatar-> d n dddd
30:55 <Avatar-> d n dddd
31:14 <Mekkis> Step 3: Resize page to fit content, revealing the correct paper size (in this case, 714x892mm - fits on A0 portrait, but too wide for A1)
31:45 <Avatar-> d n dddd
31:58 <Avatar-> d n dddd
32:04 <Avatar> fuck
33:14 <Mekkis> Step 4: get your CPU to make it look better, by using Trace Bitmap aggressively
35:50 <Spaceshot> what just happened?
35:58 <Avatar> one of the moves is a "whirlwind attack"
37:03 <s_gmusic> should I feel bad that I don't care for the GM Star chronicle sheet? :\
37:35 <Avatar> are you a GM
38:27 <Avatar> ???
41:39 <Avatar> maybe one day I will have time to care about that
42:07 <Avatar> hallo ?
42:10 <s_gmusic> I'm 2 tables of credit from my first star
42:27 <Avatar> how come you don't care for it
42:41 <Avatar> don't you like bonuses to things :(
43:45 <s_gmusic> looking at them, the only difference between the 3 I could find were at the second and fifth star level
44:01 <Avatar> sounds right
44:16 <Avatar> so nobody's heard of chess 2?
44:20 <Avatar> still, bonus at the 1st level
47:08 <Avatar> making a skill check as if you were trained is pretty good for being able to use a trained-only skill
47:37 <Avatar> and isn't modified by ACP
48:02 <Avatar> trying to set up an auto banner
48:45 <Mekkis> gm star chronicle sheet?
54:06 <Mekkis> Vaults of the ten offers a massive discount on wands
54:44 <Mekkis> sorry
54:50 <Mekkis> just read it again
54:57 <Mekkis> it's a massive surcharge
55:12 <Mekkis> get a 10-charge wand for the price of a 50-charge one
38:27 <Spaceshot-> chess 2?
58:29 <Avatar> http://www.sirlingames.com/products/chess-2-print-and-play
38:19 <Avatar> one of the moves is a "whirlwind attack"
39:24 <s_gmusic> should I feel bad that I don't care for the GM Star chronicle sheet? :\
39:56 <Avatar> are you a GM
40:49 <Avatar> ???
44:29 <Avatar> hallo ?
44:31 <s_gmusic> I'm 2 tables of credit from my first star
44:49 <Avatar> how come you don't care for it
45:03 <Avatar> don't you like bonuses to things :(
46:07 <s_gmusic> looking at them, the only difference between the 3 I could find were at the second and fifth star level
46:23 <Avatar> sounds right
46:41 <Avatar> still, bonus at the 1st level
49:30 <Avatar> making a skill check as if you were trained is pretty good for being able to use a trained-only skill
49:58 <Avatar> and isn't modified by ACP
51:07 <Mekkis> gm star chronicle sheet?
56:28 <Mekkis> Vaults of the ten offers a massive discount on wands
57:06 <Mekkis> sorry
57:12 <Mekkis> just read it again
57:19 <Mekkis> it's a massive surcharge
57:34 <Mekkis> get a 10-charge wand for the price of a 50-charge one
25:52 <Avatar> yeah we talked about that last night
33:34 <s_gmusic> admitted miscalculation and correction: http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lfui&page=4?GM-Rewards#177
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00:03 <Ulzef> true
02:06 <Avatar> check the topic yo
02:10 <Avatar> did I forget to schedule it
02:45 <Spaceshot> says 23rd at 12pm to me
35:59 <Avatar> who's in SS?
40:17 <Avatar> games scheduled
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00:01 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing this is a no, but can a half-elf's Arcane Training be used for alchemist/investigator?
00:07 <Spaceshot> Arcane Training: Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to
00:07 <Spaceshot> help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with
00:07 <Spaceshot> this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an
00:07 <Spaceshot> arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell
00:07 <Spaceshot> completion items for their favored class as if one level higher
00:08 <Spaceshot> (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class).
00:10 <Spaceshot> This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.
01:19 <Brunius> I believe those two have been classified as non-spellcasters for purposes of prestige classes
01:24 <Brunius> I don't see why this would be any different
02:13 <Spaceshot> because it's not a prestige class?
02:22 <Spaceshot> and being pathfinder likes to be weird with all it's rulings
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08:36 <Avatar> class has nothing to do with it?
08:40 <Avatar> what item do you want to use
09:07 <Avatar> spell trigger/spell completion
09:12 <Avatar> as long as you're not talking about bombs or something
35:00 <Spaceshot> I'd get it because it means at level 3 I can use a level 2 scroll and not fail it, or at level 6 a level 3 scroll
35:02 <Spaceshot> and so on
37:04 <Avatar> what
37:10 <Avatar> you can use level 2 scrolls at level 3 anyway
37:52 <Avatar> oh wait, alchemist
38:30 <Avatar> "as if one level higher" has a specific meaning as to what it applies to
38:32 <Avatar> I can't remember what it is
38:41 <Avatar> check with mekkis
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41:08 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuup bitches.
43:08 <Avatar> or with steven
43:48 <Steven> sup avatar. how ya doin
46:20 <Avatar> yo sup
46:23 <Avatar> spaceshot needs your help
46:32 <Steven> whats he need help with?
47:26 <Steven> if it is official support from a VO he should contact Caubo.
53:16 <Steven> sooooooooo
53:25 <Steven> space what can i help you with? i have things i want to do
53:33 <Steven> and dont wanna sit around waiting for what you need help with.
53:38 <Avatar> rules question
53:49 <Steven> sure, whats the question
53:58 <Avatar> <Spaceshot> I'm guessing this is a no, but can a half-elf's Arcane Training be used for alchemist/investigator?
54:10 <Avatar> 19:35] <Spaceshot> I'd get it because it means at level 3 I can use a level 2 scroll and not fail it, or at level 6 a level 3 scroll
54:11 <Avatar> [19:35] <Spaceshot> and so on
58:37 <Steven> so if they choose an arcane spellcasting class
58:40 <Spaceshot> sorry was on my laptop
58:50 <Spaceshot> steven, can I choose alchemist/investigator
59:42 <Steven> for favored class options?
00:00 <Spaceshot> for Arcane Training
00:11 <Spaceshot> Arcane Training: Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to
00:12 <Spaceshot> help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with
00:12 <Spaceshot> this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an
00:12 <Spaceshot> arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell
00:12 <Spaceshot> completion items for their favored class as if one level higher
00:13 <Spaceshot> (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class).
00:15 <Spaceshot> This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.
00:21 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing no
00:25 <Spaceshot> but want to make sure
01:43 <Steven> so you only get one favored class.
03:03 <Spaceshot> yes I know that part
03:25 <Steven> so are you trying to select alchemist for arcane training?
03:40 <Spaceshot> or investigator, most likely investigator
03:45 <Steven> because they are not arcane spellcasters
03:47 <Spaceshot> but they both do the same spellcasting type
04:06 <Spaceshot> gotcha
04:22 <Spaceshot> so do they also auto fail casting from scrolls?
04:23 <Steven> i'd look around on the forum
04:40 <Spaceshot> well not auto fail, just don't auto succeed
04:52 <Steven> see if you can find something that says they are/are-not arcane spellcasters
04:59 <Spaceshot> mmm
05:22 <Steven> alchemists are a fairly clunkly class.
05:24 <Spaceshot> I don't really care about that thing persay, it's just that I'm not going to use multitalented, and was just checking if I could use this over it
05:52 <Steven> when it comes to rules interactions with things.
06:00 <Spaceshot> they are
06:03 <Steven> i suggest just sinking ranks into UMD.
06:14 <Steven> negate the problem all together.
06:18 <Spaceshot> will do
06:34 <Steven> alright, brb, gotta do stuff.
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24:29 <s_gmusic> So... got a GM question: For level 1 scenario/modules that are infinitely repeatable for players, do GMs get the credit each time they run it? seems like it would be fair, but I'm still fairly new to PFS GMing and know that the printed rule is "Play once, GM once."
25:21 <Spaceshot> yes
25:31 <Spaceshot> each we be goblins, or First steps1
25:36 <Spaceshot> or the confrontation
25:39 <Spaceshot> or whatever else is repeatable
25:46 <Spaceshot> you also get GM credit
26:41 <s_gmusic> nice. just ran Confirmation for the second time tonight and wasn't sure. of course, I didn't think about it until after the Venture Lieutenant and our main GM left for the night, so couldn't ask them.
26:44 <s_gmusic> :\
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44:32 <Mekkis> Avatar, if you want to set up an auto banner, just give dicebot halfops
45:10 <Mekkis> or, if you want, I can put it into diebot
52:44 <Spaceshot> damn finding artists, or ones you want, are hard
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