// #d&d — 2014-02-03
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00:58:41 <s_gmusic> so, if Enchantment is a bad choice, what's something else that'd be good for a Thassilonian Wizard? Already have a guy that's running an Evocationist, so don't want to play that.
01:04:15 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, Enchantment isn't a bad choice
01:04:21 <Mekkis> listening to Spaceshot is.
01:04:39 <Spaceshot> I never said enchantment as a whole is bad
01:04:57 <Spaceshot> I said charming and dominating has lacking choices
01:05:11 <Spaceshot> especially since PFS does have an array of monsters, rather than just humanoid spam
01:05:23 <Spaceshot> people read way too much into what I say
01:05:29 <Mekkis> he also displayed his lack of knowledge on the subject
01:05:59 <Spaceshot> how did I?
01:06:08 <Spaceshot> !spell charm monster
01:06:13 <Mekkis> your pointless appeal to authority
01:06:17 <diebot> Spaceshot, CHARM MONSTER enchantment (charm[mind-affecting]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4, summoner 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature Comp: V, S Duration: 1 day/level Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
01:06:18 <diebot> This spell functions like charm person, except that the effect is not restricted by creature type or size.
01:06:19 <Mekkis> to majority
01:06:35 <Spaceshot> charm[mind-affecting]
01:06:39 <Spaceshot> that part limits your choices
01:06:46 <Spaceshot> !spell dominate monster
01:06:46 <diebot> Spaceshot, DOMINATE MONSTER enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) sorcerer/wizard 9, summoner 6, witch 9 1 round Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: 1 day/level Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
01:06:46 <diebot> This spell functions like dominate person, except that the spell is not restricted by creature type.
01:06:58 <Spaceshot> !spell dominate person
01:07:01 <diebot> Spaceshot, DOMINATE PERSON enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 4, sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5 1 round Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one humanoid Comp: V, S Duration: 1 day/level Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
01:07:02 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/dominate_person.html
01:07:39 <Spaceshot> that was a dick move
01:07:48 <Spaceshot> you've done more than that before
01:08:00 <Mekkis> not during a conversation
01:08:02 <Spaceshot> I was showing gmusic the spells
01:08:21 <Spaceshot> what conversation? you were belittling me, or trying to
01:08:26 <Mekkis> s_gmusic has played more PFS than you have
01:08:31 <Spaceshot> whilst I was deleving evidence
01:08:40 <Spaceshot> I don't doubt that
01:09:09 <Mekkis> he would know that
01:09:11 <Spaceshot> if he knew everything, he wouldn't have asked about it, nor would he have taken my advice since you clearly don't see it
01:09:16 <Mekkis> also: you're simply trolling
01:09:21 <Spaceshot> ????
01:09:25 <Spaceshot> when was I trolling?
01:09:37 <Avatar> yo
01:09:41 <Avatar> who's trolling
01:09:48 <Spaceshot> I do not troll, trolling is a waste of time and effort on both/all parties
01:09:49 <Mekkis> Spaceshot, persistently
01:09:55 <Spaceshot> some get a kick out of it, I do not
01:10:04 <Avatar> what are you doing this time spaceshot
01:10:07 <Spaceshot> mekkkis, where is your proof that I'm trolling?
01:10:34 <Spaceshot> Avatar, I stated that charms and dominations require targets with a mind, and there are many enemies in PFS that do not have a mind
01:10:43 <Spaceshot> and I stated as such
01:11:03 <Spaceshot> if that is trolling, then I guess critism and/or helpful suggestions in a whole are trollnig
01:11:05 <Spaceshot> trolling*
01:11:20 <Avatar> what's going on mekkis
01:11:34 <Mekkis> I'll pm
01:11:40 <Spaceshot> that is not fair mekkis
01:12:12 <Spaceshot> but do what you wish, put blame on me (which you have done in the past) as you wish
01:17:48 <Spaceshot> right... I need to register again to respond to pms don't I?
01:17:54 <Avatar> no
01:18:03 <Spaceshot> I mean with austnet
01:18:04 <Avatar> just do /mode -R spaceshot
01:18:10 <Avatar> capital R
01:18:16 <Avatar> better to register though
01:18:35 <Spaceshot> #d&d :You're not a channel (half)operator
01:18:37 <Spaceshot> that's what I get
01:19:48 <Spaceshot> I have forgotten how to register
01:24:45 <Avatar> it's /nickserv register <password> <email>
01:24:48 <Avatar> without the angle brackets
01:26:32 <Spaceshot> thanks, did mess around and find it myself
01:26:54 <Spaceshot> do I have to sign in each time I join irc?
01:40:44 <s_gmusic> yup.
01:41:33 <s_gmusic> so when you sign in on that nick, you'll have to use /IDENTIFY <password>
01:43:16 <Spaceshot> that's the one, thanks
01:46:37 <Spaceshot> no idea what I want my GM baby to be
01:51:47 <s_gmusic> something with sucky low levels may be good.
01:54:05 <s_gmusic> or a multiclass.
02:12:39 <Spaceshot> I could make the RAW yet nowhere near RAI level 2 eldritch knight
02:24:54 <Spaceshot> or I could just make a character I just can't be assed playing at low levels, since low levels aren't an issue with me
02:44:58 <Spaceshot> hmmmm...
02:45:14 * Spaceshot concocts evil character ideas
02:45:37 <Mekkis> Damalon01, you around?
03:19:36 <Spaceshot> for those here who know (it's easily somewhere on paizo forums) do extracts (from either alchemist or investigator) count as spell casting for prestige classes?
03:19:42 <Mekkis> no
03:19:44 <Mekkis> they don't
03:50:22 <Spaceshot> well that lessens the PrC count for my idea
04:13:55 <Steven> played A Bitter Bargain tonnight
04:14:23 <Steven> was pretty fun
04:27:45 <Spaceshot> what level?
04:30:22 <Steven> we had to do 1-2
04:30:55 <Spaceshot> mmk
04:31:40 <Damalon01> Im here Mekkis
04:32:13 <Spaceshot> I GMed Penumbral Accords yesterday/sunday
04:32:14 <Damalon01> I was having a look at the Mythic book
04:40:31 <Mekkis> Damalon01, you free on the 8th?
04:41:06 <Damalon01> yus!
04:41:20 <Damalon01> i have accepted your invitation
04:41:31 <Mekkis> cool. Free sometime this week for your intro?
04:41:48 <Damalon01> should be depending on exactly when you ask
04:41:59 <Damalon01> friday night i have Avatars game
04:42:08 <Damalon01> apart from that im free
04:50:25 <Mekkis> sure, but as an enchanter, you're also a wizard
04:50:36 <Spaceshot_> but if you are specifically going enchanting
04:50:41 <Spaceshot_> and honing all ability into enchanting
04:50:43 <Mekkis> so you can deal with said immune-to-mind-affecting enemies
04:50:46 <Spaceshot_> we are then only discussing enchanting
04:50:49 <Mekkis> yes
04:51:08 <Mekkis> but any character needs to be able to deal with any threat
04:51:25 <Spaceshot_> we are not talking about the wizards general ability to deal with threats
04:51:33 <Spaceshot_> we are specifically talking about their enchanting capability
04:51:45 <Mekkis> no, we're talking about enchanters.
04:51:56 <Spaceshot_> sorry you misunderstood
04:52:10 <Spaceshot_> but I am talking about enchanters enchanting ability
04:52:12 <Spaceshot_> nothing else
04:52:16 <Spaceshot_> you bring up other statements
04:52:23 <Spaceshot_> good for you, but that is not what I am talking/discussing
04:53:03 <Mekkis> I was bringing up dominate in particular
04:53:10 <Mekkis> not the enchanting ability
04:53:13 <Mekkis> dominate.
04:53:19 <Spaceshot_> I was bringing up the lack of targets
04:53:27 <Spaceshot_> prior to you bringing up specifically dominate
04:53:29 <Mekkis> with regards to dominate
04:53:41 <Spaceshot_> <Spaceshot_> all I know is, charms are very good, but also very specific in available targets
04:53:41 <Spaceshot_> <Mekkis> dominate, not so much
04:53:41 <Spaceshot_> <Mekkis> situational
04:53:41 <Spaceshot_> <Spaceshot_> they have to have a mind
04:53:41 <Spaceshot_> <Mekkis> short range, 1 round casting time
04:53:42 <Spaceshot_> <Mekkis> that's the issue
04:53:46 <Spaceshot_> <Spaceshot_> can't dominate mindless undead/constructs (Which is most) and vermin
04:53:48 <Spaceshot_> <Spaceshot_> I think the limited targets is more of an issue
04:53:50 <Spaceshot_> <Mekkis> nope
04:53:52 <Spaceshot_> you brought up dominate
04:53:56 <Spaceshot_> dominate was not the original topic
04:54:08 <Mekkis> there isn't a lack of targets when not dealing with dominate
04:54:21 <Mekkis> or charm
04:54:30 <Spaceshot_> there isn't a lack of targeting with a wizard using his quarter staff as a melee weapon either
04:54:30 <Mekkis> charm/dominate have very limited targets
04:54:39 <Spaceshot_> they are all moot points
04:54:41 <Mekkis> all the other enchantment spells are rather broad
04:54:53 <Spaceshot_> gmusic is talking about a charming/dominating character
04:54:56 <Spaceshot_> I brought up my point
04:55:52 <Spaceshot_> you could have also brought up the use of a sword to a wizard, or their ability to cast burning hands well
04:56:00 <Spaceshot_> still besides the point that I was bringing up for gmusic
04:58:12 <Spaceshot_> thus, gmusic, charms and dominations have limited targets
04:58:18 <Spaceshot_> be wary of it
05:07:12 <Mekkis> !search bloodline arcana
05:07:15 <diebot> Mekkis, Ampoule Of False Blood
05:07:23 <Mekkis> !item Ampoule Of False Blood
05:07:24 <diebot> Mekkis, AMPOULE OF FALSE BLOOD [strong transmutation] CL:15 neck 20000gp, 0lb
05:07:24 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/ampoule_of_false_blood.html
05:09:36 <Mekkis> hmm
05:09:46 <Mekkis> mytiazair might dip into sorcerer
05:11:08 <Spaceshot_> isn't he the one who's a trickster?
05:12:37 <Mekkis> yesh
05:13:54 <Spaceshot_> so what, this is 5th class?
05:13:58 <Mekkis> yes
05:14:09 <Spaceshot_> for dragon and orc dual arcana?
05:14:23 <Mekkis> what?
05:14:38 <Spaceshot_> the dual arcana archetype of sorc
05:14:50 <Mekkis> why dragon and orc?
05:14:52 <Spaceshot_> or get dragon which adds bonus damage for spells of that dragon's type
05:15:03 <Spaceshot_> and orc adds +1 damage per dice on either enchantment or any damage
05:15:13 <Spaceshot_> I don't know specifics, but blasters take those 2
05:15:15 <Spaceshot_> is all I know
05:16:13 <Mekkis> Fey and Infernal
05:16:36 <Steven> heh bird butt
05:16:54 <Spaceshot_> they in core?
05:17:05 <Mekkis> yes
05:19:13 <Mekkis> Mytiazair is not just a trickster, he's also an enchanter
05:19:28 <Spaceshot_> meh
05:19:44 <Spaceshot_> how many times has Mytiazair faced mindless creatures?
05:19:44 <birdbutts> hehe
05:19:51 <Mekkis> heaps
05:20:04 <Mekkis> but that's not the issue
05:20:41 <Spaceshot_> if you say so
05:20:58 <Mekkis> he hasn't died yet
05:21:01 <Mekkis> and he's 13th level
05:21:08 <Spaceshot_> no I doubt any of your characters would
05:21:23 <Spaceshot_> though I also doubt the general PFS players build characters the way you do
05:22:03 <Mekkis> they don't unfortunately. A lot of the characters I've seen around here are horribly powergamed.
05:22:59 <Spaceshot_> your characters, maybe Mytiazair's early levels weren't so, are also optimised to some level of powergamy
05:23:12 <Mekkis> haha
05:23:34 <Spaceshot_> you can't say your powerballer isn't powergamed
05:23:46 <Mekkis> powerballer?
05:23:47 <Spaceshot_> the one that can bullrush with +25 or more at level 6
05:23:55 <Spaceshot_> with 10d6 damage
05:24:32 <Spaceshot_> and you did, whilst it was valid, have nightmare, a 40ish point buy character thanks to the suit
05:24:33 <Mekkis> hey, at least I don't make my characters with the express purpose of trolling people
05:24:46 <Spaceshot_> oh I never said you played your characters like a dick
05:24:53 <Spaceshot_> or built to ruin encounters/scenarios
05:24:57 <Spaceshot_> it's just that they are powergamy
05:25:15 <Spaceshot_> and I bet you do even tone down your power level sometimes
05:25:27 <Mekkis> sometimes?
05:25:48 <Spaceshot_> but there are stories about Grolshmier (so butchering that name) where there wasn't even a point of you rolling damage because you'd oneshot any non BBEG
05:29:05 <Spaceshot_> I do see the point in have a hideously devestating character for those scenarios which require it
05:29:21 <Spaceshot_> but I can't really see the enjoyment of cakewalking every session yourself
05:39:32 <Spaceshot_> is reporting a PFS session so much trouble?
05:39:40 <Spaceshot_> just took a look online, and wow that's a lot to put in
05:46:21 <Spaceshot_> do I have to fill out an event form thingy?
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19:38:29 <Mekkis> Damalon01, you free on the 8th?
19:39:04 <Damalon01> yus!
19:39:17 <Damalon01> i have accepted your invitation
19:39:28 <Mekkis> cool. Free sometime this week for your intro?
19:39:46 <Damalon01> should be depending on exactly when you ask
19:39:57 <Damalon01> friday night i have Avatars game
19:40:06 <Damalon01> apart from that im free
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20:14:33 <Steven> heh bird butt
20:17:42 <birdbutts> hehe
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20:50:47 <lawz> hw do i find the list of commands?
20:51:07 <Spaceshot> !help
20:51:08 <diebot> Spaceshot, Commands include !throw, !save, !dist, !chargen, !feat, !spell, !item, !search, !define. Type ??command for more information, eg ??!throw .
20:51:19 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing that is what you mean
20:52:03 <lawz> I mean generaly, Im a bit new :)
20:52:27 <lawz> irc general
20:52:30 <Spaceshot> ohh
20:52:50 <Spaceshot> yea... that part I don't really know, never really messed with IRC much either myself
21:04:16 <Brunius|M> So
21:04:25 <Brunius|M> Landed a kerbal on the moon
21:04:35 <Brunius|M> Should I bother sending a rescue craft
21:04:37 <Spaceshot> want a medal? or is there more to the story?
21:04:55 <Steven> grats
21:05:27 <Spaceshot> maybe I've been spoiled by watching a couple people I know play via streams
21:05:51 <Spaceshot> one of them spent ages rescuing kerbans from mars
21:06:24 <Brunius|M> I'm pretty surprised I landed him on the mun, actually. It was my second trip to the moon
21:06:39 <Spaceshot> oh, thought you had the game for ages
21:06:45 <Spaceshot> well then tis a feat
21:06:46 <Brunius|M> Do I want a third trip just to try getting him back...
21:07:00 <Brunius|M> Nah got it yesterday
21:07:02 <Spaceshot> you playing campaign mode?
21:07:09 <Brunius|M> Yeah
21:07:21 <Spaceshot> depends if you want the science or not
21:07:26 <Spaceshot> from sampls
21:07:29 <Spaceshot> samples*
21:07:31 <Brunius|M> Yeah
21:08:00 <Brunius|M> Might be easier just to send another Lander altogether for the science
21:08:48 <Brunius|M> It might run into the same problem though, not enough fuel to break out of the gravity well
21:10:04 <Spaceshot> hey, how long does it take you to get to box hill?
21:10:31 <Brunius|M> About an hour
21:11:03 <Brunius|M> Twice a day
21:11:06 <Brunius|M> Every day
21:12:12 <Spaceshot> mmk
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21:12:54 <Spaceshot> just curious if I should ask you if I end up running a pfs mod
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21:46:24 <Spaceshot> am I able to give a 3-7 scenario to a GMbaby that is only level 1 or 2?
21:49:24 <Brunius|M> Yes, but only if you don't have characters in tier that see eligible for it
21:49:50 <Brunius|M> And it won't apply until the char hits level 3
21:50:01 <Spaceshot> so you have to give it to someone eligible, even if you wish to play it at a later date, or wish to play that character through all his/her scenarios?
21:50:13 <Steven> you dont have to give it to somone eligible
21:50:24 <Brunius|M> I thought you did
21:50:35 <Steven> you assign it to a character and hold credit until that character is the minimum level to accept it
21:50:36 <Spaceshot> yea that sounds unfair/stupid
21:50:51 <Steven> then it is automatically applied at that level.
21:51:15 <Spaceshot> thought it was something like that
21:55:25 <Spaceshot> still no idea what I'm going to make with the GMbaby
21:55:26 <Spaceshot> but somethin
21:55:43 <Avatar> Spaceshot: I'm not going to care if you apply it to a new 1st level character whether or not your have an eligible character
21:56:21 <Spaceshot> Avatar: I do not exactly know what you are refering too, but ok
21:57:21 <Avatar> you
21:57:30 <Avatar> are you spaceshot
21:57:52 <Spaceshot> I'm so confused
21:58:04 <Spaceshot> yes I am spaceshot, I do not however know what you meant by that
21:58:15 <Avatar> [22:46] <Spaceshot> am I able to give a 3-7 scenario to a GMbaby that is only level 1 or 2?
21:58:36 <Spaceshot> yes, I meant one that I GMed, hense the GMbaby thing
21:58:38 <Avatar> oh wait
21:58:38 <Steven> oh i thought he was GMing.
21:58:42 <Avatar> sorry, misunderstood
21:58:46 <Spaceshot> yea it was about GMing
21:58:59 <Steven> if you're gming you can apply the credit to whoever you want.
21:59:05 <Steven> and you just hold the creidt
21:59:08 <Steven> credit
21:59:24 <Steven> if you are playing, if you have a character in tier you should be playing that
21:59:37 <Spaceshot> yea I know about the "if you are playing" rules
21:59:43 <Spaceshot> just have only GMed once so far
22:03:03 <Avatar> it is a bit crazy to want to play a pregen when you have a character in tier
22:03:37 <Spaceshot> you aren't allowed to play a pregen in that sense
22:03:43 <Spaceshot> I think a level 1 pregen is allowed
22:03:44 <Spaceshot> I think
22:04:06 <Avatar> yeah you're not allowed but it's one of those rules that I'm sure nobody cares if you break
22:04:31 <Avatar> it's just a stupid thing to do, why would you want to?
22:04:45 <Spaceshot> I know a GM would ask you if you have an in tier character
22:04:58 <Avatar> yeah because why would you want to
22:05:07 <Spaceshot> but if you give a good reason such as "another arcane caster at a table with 2-3 already" or something like that
22:05:29 <Spaceshot> there are times when you'd probably want to
22:05:32 <Spaceshot> rare, but there
22:13:01 <Avatar> I wouldn't disallow it
22:13:14 <Avatar> better for the community if you build up your higher level chars than your lower level ones though
22:13:17 <Spaceshot> I know, RAW though you should
22:13:23 <Spaceshot> that is true
22:13:33 <Avatar> helps nobody when you don't have 5-11's available when you could
22:13:39 <Spaceshot> but it is also better for the community that a level 7 party doesn't die because of no healer/tank
22:13:42 <Spaceshot> even if subpar pregen
22:14:01 <Avatar> level 7
22:14:18 <Avatar> are you talking about a 3-7 where you only have a level 3 wizard and you're playing with level 7 sorcerer wizard bard?
22:15:34 <Spaceshot> nah I'm talking about a 7-11 game for the pregen instance
22:15:45 <Spaceshot> where they're all 7 or 8
22:17:21 <Spaceshot> yes, it is better for there to be more higher level characters
22:17:29 <Spaceshot> more so around 5-10 than any higher
22:17:47 <Spaceshot> but it's also better that a level 7 group doesn't TPK
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22:26:10 <Avatar> if you already have a level 7-11 character and you instead want to play a level 7 pregen, it's no real issue
22:26:11 <alex1981> hello
22:26:14 <Avatar> yo
22:38:59 <Raine> so mekkis i have decided
22:39:02 Raine is now known as Darkkapow
22:39:12 <Darkkapow> I am going to make that barb we discussed for PFS
22:39:16 <Darkkapow> bard*
22:39:26 <Steven> im making mad bomber for pfs
22:39:34 <Darkkapow> he is basically going to be sir robins minstrels from monty python
22:39:47 <Darkkapow> I am making an infinite bardic performance bard
22:44:02 <Darkkapow> is it wrong of me to exploit that kind of thing steven
22:44:47 <Spaceshot> how do you get such a thing
22:45:59 <Darkkapow> to share the secret would be bad of me
22:46:10 <Spaceshot> that is the main thing I hate about exploiters
22:46:14 <Darkkapow> only mekkis and i know it at this point
22:46:25 <Spaceshot> they're generally dicks when it comes to their exploiting
22:46:46 <Darkkapow> no if i'm going to exploit it i'm going to do it to bring it to peoples attention
22:47:19 <Spaceshot> then explaining how you do it
22:47:26 <Spaceshot> is bringing it to peoples attention
22:47:43 <Darkkapow> no it's allowing other people to exploit it.
22:47:55 <Darkkapow> If you can't figure it out yourself you don't deserve it
22:48:28 <Spaceshot> I refer you to my previous statement
22:48:34 <Spaceshot> <Spaceshot> they're generally dicks when it comes to their exploiting
22:48:47 <Darkkapow> that's not being a dick
22:49:09 <Darkkapow> that's making you do something to deserve it not just giving it to you for free.
22:49:29 <Spaceshot> it's being a dick
22:49:36 <Darkkapow> no it's not
22:49:38 <Spaceshot> you may not see it as such
22:49:57 <Spaceshot> but not doing something simple as explaining how you get to a point which breaks the game, a game inwhich others share
22:50:20 <Spaceshot> is being a dick, if you wish to break the game that way
22:50:22 <Darkkapow> If i was to explain it to you
22:50:28 <Darkkapow> and you where to then go use it
22:50:33 <Darkkapow> I would be spreading the problem
22:50:54 <Darkkapow> If you figure it out on your own I'm not responsible
22:51:09 <Darkkapow> so suck it up and go do some reading if you want to know
22:51:17 <Spaceshot> I believe that is quite similar to Jack Tompsons reason as to why video games are bad
23:00:36 <Darkkapow> I honestly don't care what you think of me. I am not sharing something that breaks ability economy.
23:02:13 <Steven> so kapow, the character i'm making
23:02:25 <Darkkapow> yes what is it?
23:02:25 <Steven> duel cursed oracle/Alchemist
23:02:37 <Darkkapow> hmmmmmm
23:02:43 <Darkkapow> any variant or pure alchemist?
23:02:52 <Steven> Tongues//Haunted
23:03:02 <Steven> so i run into a room
23:03:19 <Steven> scream things crazily
23:03:35 <Steven> and then drop all the alchemist things i'm carrying at once
23:03:38 <Steven> heh
23:03:53 <Darkkapow> XP
23:05:03 <Spaceshot> making sure you have prehensile tail and 2 vestigial arms?
23:05:21 <Steven> depends on the GM
23:05:25 <Steven> but im going to have all of them
23:05:31 <Steven> i can get
23:05:51 <Darkkapow> okay so what alchemist things are you carrying is the breaking question
23:06:15 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure if you'll be able to have enough alch bombs than attacks to drop
23:06:17 <Steven> i already talked to walter and he pretty much figures i could carry 10 things in my hands piled up at once.
23:06:52 <Spaceshot> your normal table may agree
23:06:57 <Spaceshot> but expect the worst at cons
23:07:08 <Darkkapow> if more than 2 of them are "weapons"
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23:07:13 <Spaceshot> that is the same with you kapow, or anyone using exploits
23:07:15 <Darkkapow> immediately a can't do it ruling
23:07:21 <Spaceshot> or things on the line
23:07:32 <Darkkapow> mine is completely legitamite
23:07:55 <Spaceshot> if it is spamming free actions
23:08:01 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:08:02 <Spaceshot> there is a RAW limit that GMs can use
23:08:05 <Spaceshot> I said if
23:08:06 <Spaceshot> not that it is
23:08:17 <Damalon01> heya all
23:08:21 <Darkkapow> i know and i was telling you wrong doesn't use it
23:09:11 <Spaceshot> good for you
23:09:34 <Spaceshot> I am not a fan of people hiding things that are either explicitly overpowered, or exploits
23:09:49 <Spaceshot> such as Matt Goodall having a +27 to perception at level 4 or 5
23:10:29 <Spaceshot> at least it looked like it was a +27, he didn't say it to anyone, he only showed the GM, but I saw a +27 on the init board which the GM put the perceptions on
23:10:38 <Darkkapow> it's not an exploit or overpowered
23:11:07 <Darkkapow> it does not walk a borderline or have a questionable interpretation of a spell or ability or feat
23:11:31 <Darkkapow> it uses purely mechanical combinations that just result in having an infinite amount of bardic performance
23:12:24 <Spaceshot> having an infinite anything that isn't meant to be infinite is still cause for concern as a GM
23:12:47 <Spaceshot> and a GM has the right to go by RAI if RAW is stupid
23:13:01 <Spaceshot> or doesn't seem like it should happen
23:13:02 <Darkkapow> going by RAW still lets you do it spaceshot
23:13:06 <Spaceshot> such as a level 2 eldritch knight
23:13:34 <Darkkapow> as i said there is nothing illegal or questionable about how it is done
23:13:42 <Darkkapow> anyone can do it completely RAW and PFS legally.
23:13:52 <Spaceshot> it doesn't matter if it's legal
23:13:56 <Darkkapow> you just have to smart enough and able to find it
23:14:00 <Spaceshot> a GM can not allow it
23:14:03 <Darkkapow> to be*
23:14:10 <Spaceshot> if you suggest I am not smart
23:14:23 <Darkkapow> you i am suggesting you haven't tried
23:14:42 <Spaceshot> I heard "you haven't found it yet, thus you aren't smart"
23:14:45 <Spaceshot> heard/read
23:15:13 <Darkkapow> that's your interpretation you can take it that way if you like.
23:15:35 <Spaceshot> and I can still, if I wish, do something about it, using that interpretation
23:16:03 <Spaceshot> but that's besides the matter
23:16:31 <Spaceshot> a GM can still remove you from his table if you do something they do not allow, or your character is against what they like
23:16:38 <Spaceshot> technically anyway
23:17:36 <Spaceshot> well, not force you out, that's being a douche
23:17:45 <Spaceshot> but still say that they do like the interactions of abilities
23:17:51 <Spaceshot> and do not believe they should allow what they allow
23:18:23 <Spaceshot> such as how some people do not like my ability to dual-wield 2 two-handed weapons using 2 vistigial arms
23:18:36 <Damalon01> hehehe!
23:18:42 <Damalon01> thats kinda cool
23:18:42 <Darkkapow> that is actually illegal
23:18:43 <Mekkis> hey
23:18:49 <Spaceshot> it's not illegal
23:18:54 <Darkkapow> you need the feat multiweapon fighting which is a monsterous feat
23:18:55 <Spaceshot> unless it has been errated recently
23:18:57 <Darkkapow> yes it is
23:18:58 <Spaceshot> no I do not
23:19:00 <Darkkapow> as two weapon fighting
23:19:01 <Spaceshot> only 2 weapons
23:19:06 <Darkkapow> only applies to 2 arms
23:19:12 <Spaceshot> only applies to 2 weapons
23:19:13 <Spaceshot> not arms
23:19:17 <Darkkapow> sorry but it isn't legal
23:19:26 <Spaceshot> only applies to 2 weapons
23:19:29 <Darkkapow> no anything with more than 3 arms is considered to fall under the monsterous rules
23:19:34 <Spaceshot> two-weapon fighting does not limit arms
23:19:36 <Darkkapow> two weapon fighting only applies to 2 arms
23:19:40 <Darkkapow> yes it does
23:19:47 <Darkkapow> go do your ful reading on eratas
23:19:51 <Spaceshot> !feat two-weapon fighting
23:20:01 <diebot> Spaceshot, TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING [Combat]Prereq: Dex 15. You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.
23:20:02 <diebot> Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.
23:20:02 <diebot> Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each.
23:20:02 <diebot> An unarmed strike is always considered light. Source: Core
23:20:10 <Spaceshot> two-weapons
23:20:13 <Darkkapow> the only way to use 2 two handed weapons is with jotungrip
23:20:19 <Darkkapow> from the titan mauler barb archetype
23:20:35 <Spaceshot> unless you can show me where the "2 arms not 2 weapons" thing is
23:20:40 <Spaceshot> then I'll look at it
23:21:22 <Darkkapow> the feat words as "hand"
23:21:29 <Darkkapow> using the primary and off specifications
23:21:31 <Darkkapow> not hands
23:21:49 <Spaceshot> the feat's flavour text says hands yes
23:21:54 <Darkkapow> it pertains purely to 2 hands
23:21:54 <Spaceshot> but flavour text means nothing
23:22:22 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:22:25 <Spaceshot> like I've said, some people agree and allow it, others do not
23:22:29 <Spaceshot> flavour text means nothing
23:22:36 <Spaceshot> litterally, it is not mechanical text
23:22:38 <Spaceshot> thus nothing
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23:23:09 <Spaceshot> again, unless you can give me reasoning/proof as to why flavour text means something
23:23:12 <Spaceshot> then again, I'll take a read
23:25:04 <Darkkapow> Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
23:25:04 <Darkkapow> This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks
23:25:04 <Darkkapow> with multiple weapons.
23:25:04 <Darkkapow> Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
23:25:04 <Darkkapow> Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> off hands.
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting
23:25:05 <Darkkapow> feat for creatures with more than two arms.
23:25:11 <Darkkapow> read the last bit in the special for that
23:25:16 <Darkkapow> it's a monsterous feat
23:25:20 <Spaceshot> it is
23:25:20 <Darkkapow> and is not pfs legal
23:25:26 <Spaceshot> I know it's not legal
23:25:32 <Darkkapow> you have more than 2 arms
23:25:38 <Spaceshot> I only have 2 weapons
23:25:43 <Darkkapow> thus require that feat instead of two weapon fighting
23:25:48 <Spaceshot> nope
23:25:50 <Darkkapow> 23:25 <Darkkapow> Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting
23:25:51 <Darkkapow> 23:25 <Darkkapow> feat for creatures with more than two arms.
23:25:58 <Darkkapow> READ!
23:26:00 <Spaceshot> yes, but it is not legal
23:26:02 <Spaceshot> if it is not legal
23:26:05 <Darkkapow> exactly
23:26:08 <Spaceshot> it isn't even visible to players
23:26:12 <Darkkapow> so you can't have 4 arms and use 2 weapons
23:26:14 <Darkkapow> as you require that feat
23:26:16 <Spaceshot> it does not exist for those who can not use it
23:26:18 <Darkkapow> and it's not legal
23:26:28 <Darkkapow> exactly
23:26:32 <Darkkapow> so your character is not pfs legal
23:26:37 <Spaceshot> I'll say it again
23:26:49 <Spaceshot> the feat does not exist, it does not come into play
23:26:57 <Spaceshot> for PFS characters
23:27:08 <Darkkapow> exactly
23:27:15 <Darkkapow> there for nothing with more than 2 arms can use 2 weapons
23:27:16 <Spaceshot> so two-weapon fighting is the only feat that is at all relavent
23:27:21 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:27:28 <Spaceshot> two-weapon fighting is 2 weapons
23:27:31 <Darkkapow> for anything with more than 2 arms
23:27:36 <Darkkapow> two weapon fighting doesn't exist
23:27:39 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:27:48 <Spaceshot> two-weapon fighting exists
23:27:52 <Spaceshot> because the replacement does not exist
23:27:52 <Darkkapow> I will post it on the rules forums and get a answer from on high if you really want
23:27:58 <Damalon01> how is everyone on this miserable stinkin' hot day?
23:28:05 <Spaceshot> if the replacement does not exist, it can not replace, thus two-weapon fighting remains existant
23:28:12 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:28:18 <Spaceshot> it has been posted before
23:28:38 <Spaceshot> and there are also posts about using two-weapon fighting with a two-handed weapon and armour spikes
23:29:03 <Spaceshot> and there are no feats that talk about your torso as a weapon
23:29:41 <Darkkapow> and do they have authoritative postings on them making rules or are they clear speculation by people seeking to exploit rules?
23:30:11 <Spaceshot> it's not an exploit
23:30:12 <Damalon01> lol ill seeyall tomorro
23:30:13 <Spaceshot> it is RAW
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23:31:00 <Spaceshot> logic dictates that since there is no multi-weapon fighting, because PFS characters can not get it, so it no longer exists, if it does not exist, it can't replace two-weapon fighting, so two-weapon fighting still exists
23:31:14 <Darkkapow> where does it say anywhere on the pfs documents that if something is banned that replaces another feat in certain circumstances you can use the base?
23:31:15 <Spaceshot> two-weapon fighting only says 2 weapons, nothing about 2 hands (except flavour)
23:31:24 <Darkkapow> wrong
23:31:30 <Darkkapow> if it's not legal it still exists
23:31:36 <Darkkapow> it just isn't allowed in play
23:31:44 <Darkkapow> ergo neither is your 4 armed 2 weapon fighter
23:31:47 <Mekkis> hot
23:31:56 <Spaceshot> I am just confused how this doesn't make sense to you
23:31:59 <Darkkapow> they made a feat specifically for more than 2 hands that says it replaces the feat
23:32:18 <Spaceshot> that PFS characters can not use
23:34:03 <Spaceshot> !help
23:34:03 <diebot> Spaceshot, Commands include !throw, !save, !dist, !chargen, !feat, !spell, !item, !search, !define. Type ??command for more information, eg ??!throw .
23:34:11 <Spaceshot> !search Vestigial Arm
23:34:12 <diebot> Spaceshot, No items found.
23:34:18 <Darkkapow> Armor Spikes: Can I use two-weapon fighting to make an "off-hand" attack with my armor spikes in the same round I use a two-handed weapon?
23:34:18 <Darkkapow> No.
23:34:29 <Darkkapow> faq
23:34:37 <Spaceshot> can you tell me where this faq is?
23:34:47 <Spaceshot> seriously, I have yet to see this faq
23:34:48 <Darkkapow> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qw9
23:34:53 <Darkkapow> on the official website
23:34:54 <Spaceshot> wait... that faq? yea now I remember
23:35:00 <Darkkapow> jesus dude
23:35:14 <Spaceshot> mind blank about it for a sec
23:37:22 <Spaceshot> dang, the faq doesn't exactly help
23:39:05 <Darkkapow> no it doesn't because pretending something doesn't exist because it's banned from pfs is stupid
23:39:08 <Darkkapow> it exists
23:39:18 <Darkkapow> and because it exists and causes issues it is banned
23:39:40 <Spaceshot> trying to find that reasoning
23:40:21 <Darkkapow> derp
23:40:37 <Spaceshot> because to me, my logic works
23:40:39 <Spaceshot> to you it does not
23:41:06 <Spaceshot> I do not expect 1 set logic for everything in life to be everyones cup of tea
23:42:42 <Spaceshot> alive
23:42:44 <Spaceshot> yet barely
23:43:17 <Damalon01> i went outside for like 2 hours and it was too much!
23:44:03 <Mekkis> I had my car heater on this morning
23:44:13 <Darkkapow> right seems good
23:44:38 <Darkkapow> I am telling you as someone who has done all the research into the multi armed fighting and as a VL your character is illegal for play.
23:44:55 <Darkkapow> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn5d?PFS-Ruling-Required-TwoWeapon-Fighting#1
23:45:05 <Darkkapow> An official answer to confirm will follow on this post.
23:45:12 <Darkkapow> if it doesn't i'll apologise
23:46:37 <Spaceshot> well I know stephen white would allow it at his table
23:46:58 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure his rank (as in who supercedes who), nor his research on the topic
23:47:19 <Spaceshot> but he has been given quite the information about this topic
23:47:22 <Spaceshot> and has allowed it
23:48:06 <Darkkapow> just because he's allowed it doesn't mean it's legal
23:48:29 <Darkkapow> you need to learn to read things, I understand you may never have read the multiweapon fighting feat before because it's not legal for pfs
23:48:44 <Darkkapow> it still applies.
23:48:49 <Spaceshot> I have before
23:48:57 <Darkkapow> then you should know better
23:49:02 <Spaceshot> it may specify multiple arms
23:49:27 <Spaceshot> but it is also about 3+ different attacks
23:49:37 <Spaceshot> as in, a weapon and 2 claws
23:49:42 <Spaceshot> 3+ claws
23:49:45 <Spaceshot> 3+ weapons
23:50:00 <Spaceshot> even technically 2 claws and a bite require multi-weapon fighting
23:51:44 <Darkkapow> no it says weapons
23:51:47 <Darkkapow> not natural attacks
23:51:48 <Darkkapow> weapons
23:51:52 <Darkkapow> blanket wording
23:52:57 <Steven> you guys still talkin bout that?
23:53:18 <Darkkapow> steven
23:53:19 <Spaceshot> he wishes to continue yes
23:53:22 <Darkkapow> if something is not pfs legal
23:53:28 <Darkkapow> it doesn't mean it does not exist
23:53:42 <Spaceshot> you should probably start at the begginning kapow
23:53:43 <Steven> oh dont get me involved in this.
23:53:58 <Spaceshot> can I just get your simple opinion though?
23:54:04 <Steven> no
23:54:09 <Spaceshot> whelp I tried
23:54:09 <Darkkapow> it's okay
23:54:12 <Steven> i dont want anything to do with that.
23:54:17 <Spaceshot> that is fine
23:54:18 <Darkkapow> i'll get a proper response of the rules board
23:54:31 <Steven> thats the correct course of action kapow.
23:54:36 <Darkkapow> then you can rebuild your illegal character
23:54:51 <Steven> space i suggest you write up your point of view and post it in the thread.
23:54:51 <Spaceshot> do not even have the character yet
23:55:06 <Spaceshot> it's as if that's what I'm trying to do rather than spend my time typing here
23:55:15 <Spaceshot> but darkkapow continues to respond on the matter
23:55:33 <Steven> so kapow... wanna recommend an archetype for my mad bomber?
23:55:33 <Darkkapow> I am trying to save you the time and disappointment later.
23:55:45 <Darkkapow> what are you trying to do with it?
23:55:58 <Spaceshot> I'd say concoctingen
23:56:03 <Spaceshot> or however you spell it
23:56:13 <Steven> im trying to run into a room
23:56:18 <Steven> drop about 10 alchemist fires.
23:56:26 <Steven> or acid flasks
23:56:32 <Steven> or liquid ice.
23:56:41 <Darkkapow> you can't
23:56:47 <Darkkapow> it's classified as a weapon
23:56:55 <Steven> dont worry i got that covered.
23:57:01 <Darkkapow> how?
23:57:05 <Darkkapow> put it all in a bag
23:57:08 <Darkkapow> and throw the bag?
23:57:08 <Steven> ill be able to have 4 out at any time
23:57:12 <Darkkapow> as an improvised weapon?
23:57:29 <Darkkapow> the same ruling i am discussing them applies steven
23:57:34 <Darkkapow> you'd have to take multiweapon fighting
23:57:34 <Steven> spring loaded for a 5th
23:57:35 <Darkkapow> and can't
23:57:53 <Steven> move action for the 6th
23:58:06 <Steven> and thats with the strict GMs.
23:58:20 <Steven> other GMs might just allow it for comic effect.
23:58:36 <Steven> but yeah, so 6 at the minimum
23:58:44 <Darkkapow> the only way i would allow it is to put them all in a bag like a satchel
23:58:47 <Darkkapow> and toss the satchel
23:58:55 <Steven> dont need it, its legal by raw.
23:59:05 <Darkkapow> using what raw ruling steven?
23:59:29 <Steven> tentacle can hold something.
23:59:37 <Steven> i'm not trying to throw them at people
23:59:46 <Steven> i'm just gonna drop em
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