// #d&d — 2014-02-04
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00:00:23 <Steven> and i figure thats how i'm going to start combat
00:00:38 <Spaceshot> he's only dropping his items
00:00:43 <Spaceshot> and just holding them
00:00:56 <Steven> shout in some strange language, drop 6 alchemist items
00:01:01 <Steven> room blows up
00:01:05 <Darkkapow> so
00:01:05 <Spaceshot> tongues and haunterd, nice
00:01:16 <Steven> then we start combat
00:01:16 <Darkkapow> dropping them won't detonate them
00:01:30 <Steven> i imagine it will once they go flying 10ft away.
00:01:35 <Spaceshot> dropping them has a %50 chance of doing so
00:02:04 <Steven> even if they all managed to land in the same square, it would do a maximum 6 damage to a person.
00:02:18 <Steven> and its a hilarious way to spend 120-150g
00:02:34 <Darkkapow> oh spaceshot
00:02:47 <Steven> the GM that doesnt allow that, has a stick entirely to far up his ass to be any fun to play with.
00:02:59 <Darkkapow> stephen white has absolutely no recollection of ever saying to anyone that you could use two weapon fighting with multiple arms
00:03:17 <Spaceshot> it was I think 2011
00:03:23 <Spaceshot> I don't expect him to recall it
00:03:28 <Spaceshot> I'm just saying he did
00:03:41 <Spaceshot> there is a difference
00:03:48 <Spaceshot> and you do not have to go all sneaky about things
00:03:55 <Spaceshot> mekkis does the same thing and it shits me off
00:04:08 <Darkkapow> I am not going all sneaky about things
00:04:11 <Steven> it turns off your poop switch?
00:04:14 <Darkkapow> I am going and talking to your sources
00:04:17 <Darkkapow> you have quoted
00:04:36 <Steven> i think you should get that removed and just poop whenever you want
00:04:40 <Darkkapow> I have created an open post on the forums to get an official response
00:04:45 <Darkkapow> where you are more than welcome to post too
00:05:05 <Spaceshot> you already linked it kapow
00:05:06 <Darkkapow> if that's sneaky than your characters must get seen and found out alot
00:05:21 <Spaceshot> to me it felt sneaky
00:07:02 <Darkkapow> Verifying a source you've quoted is doing my due diligence
00:07:40 <Steven> damn... i need a race that doesnt have a penalty to int, but wont fuck my cha
00:07:50 <Spaceshot> aasimar
00:08:01 <Spaceshot> I bet there's a kin that'll work
00:08:06 <Steven> meh
00:08:33 <Darkkapow> play a gnome
00:12:31 <Spaceshot> ok, supposedly the faq is meant to also say "you can not put a weapon in 2 hands, and another weapon in 1 or 2 hands and attack with both"
00:12:32 <Spaceshot> but it doesn't
00:12:51 <Spaceshot> or at least that's what I got from the long discussion about it
00:13:00 <Spaceshot> on the forums
00:13:44 <Darkkapow> a discussion between players or posts from officials at paizo?
00:13:53 <Darkkapow> a discussion between players is useless.
00:13:58 <Spaceshot> you can find out yourself
00:14:06 <Darkkapow> give me a link
00:14:19 <Spaceshot> tell me how you get infinite bardic performance
00:14:28 <Darkkapow> no
00:14:41 <Spaceshot> guess we're at a stalemate
00:14:55 <Darkkapow> no because soon your 4 armed dream will be mute.
00:15:09 <Spaceshot> it's been a pipe dream since UM came out
00:15:19 <Spaceshot> I had never played on it
00:15:37 <Darkkapow> so why are you so butthurt that's it's illegal?
00:15:45 <Darkkapow> you have no investment in it
00:15:53 <Darkkapow> accept that you are wrong move on
00:15:56 <Spaceshot> when was I buthurt?
00:15:59 <Spaceshot> butthurt*
00:18:41 <Spaceshot> still got a character I was thinkin of makin up in the air
00:21:23 <Darkkapow> what is it?
00:22:28 <Steven> think imma go with half orc
00:23:38 <Spaceshot> somethin a wee cheesy
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00:45:42 <Darkkapow> we'll wait for an official response but so far the replies aren't looking good spacesho
00:45:43 <Darkkapow> t
00:56:27 <Spaceshot> I already said I know that it's not doable with vestigial arms
00:56:40 <Spaceshot> as in about half an hr ago
00:56:41 <Spaceshot> or so
01:05:07 <Darkkapow> good, glad you wasted 2 hours of both our time coming to that conclusion
01:05:18 <Spaceshot> I did not waste your time
01:05:25 <Spaceshot> you decided to participate
01:08:08 <Darkkapow> wasn't really a waste, i proved you wrong despite your ignorance
01:08:48 <Spaceshot> well aren't we all high and mighty
01:08:57 <Spaceshot> I do not care
01:09:02 <Spaceshot> I found out the answer
01:11:52 <Darkkapow> You where being so before your not so much now though.
01:12:24 <Darkkapow> If you are going to argue a point with someone make sure you are right before you have a go at them about how their logic works.
01:12:32 <Darkkapow> Cause it really does make you look like an idiot.
01:12:44 <Spaceshot> and I do not have to take insults from you
01:16:18 <Yiroep> o_o
01:19:48 <Darkkapow> hey you want to throw insults around when you are wrong you deserve everyone you get now and if you can't take it when you where throwing insults and you where wrong than maybe you need to keep your mouth shut in future.
01:20:11 <Darkkapow> Seriously, I was trying to show you why it didn't work you insulted my logic and reason when yours was the one flawed.
01:21:20 <Darkkapow> Arrogant and Ignorant people like you don't deserve politeness.
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04:26:11 <Mekkis> Darkkapow, your method of dealing with spaceshot is a great way of explaining why you're a VL and I'm not :)
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05:45:10 <Avatar> Mekkis: that game you and ulzef asked me to set up, there's now only two slots left
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08:32:16 <Spaceshot> it is RAW
08:33:02 <Spaceshot> logic dictates that since there is no multi-weapon fighting, because PFS characters can not get it, so it no longer exists, if it does not exist, it can't replace two-weapon fighting, so two-weapon fighting still exists
08:33:17 <Darkkapow> where does it say anywhere on the pfs documents that if something is banned that replaces another feat in certain circumstances you can use the base?
08:33:18 <Spaceshot> two-weapon fighting only says 2 weapons, nothing about 2 hands (except flavour)
08:33:27 <Darkkapow> wrong
08:33:32 <Darkkapow> if it's not legal it still exists
08:33:38 <Darkkapow> it just isn't allowed in play
08:33:47 <Darkkapow> ergo neither is your 4 armed 2 weapon fighter
08:33:59 <Spaceshot> I am just confused how this doesn't make sense to you
08:34:02 <Darkkapow> they made a feat specifically for more than 2 hands that says it replaces the feat
08:34:21 <Spaceshot> that PFS characters can not use
08:36:05 <Spaceshot> !help
08:36:06 <diebot> Spaceshot, Commands include !throw, !save, !dist, !chargen, !feat, !spell, !item, !search, !define. Type ??command for more information, eg ??!throw .
08:36:14 <Spaceshot> !search Vestigial Arm
08:36:15 <diebot> Spaceshot, No items found.
08:36:21 <Darkkapow> Armor Spikes: Can I use two-weapon fighting to make an "off-hand" attack with my armor spikes in the same round I use a two-handed weapon?
08:36:21 <Darkkapow> No.
08:36:32 <Darkkapow> faq
08:36:39 <Spaceshot> can you tell me where this faq is?
08:36:50 <Spaceshot> seriously, I have yet to see this faq
08:36:51 <Darkkapow> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qw9
08:36:56 <Darkkapow> on the official website
08:36:57 <Spaceshot> wait... that faq? yea now I remember
08:37:03 <Darkkapow> jesus dude
08:37:17 <Spaceshot> mind blank about it for a sec
08:39:25 <Spaceshot> dang, the faq doesn't exactly help
08:41:08 <Darkkapow> no it doesn't because pretending something doesn't exist because it's banned from pfs is stupid
08:41:11 <Darkkapow> it exists
08:41:20 <Darkkapow> and because it exists and causes issues it is banned
08:41:43 <Spaceshot> trying to find that reasoning
08:42:24 <Darkkapow> derp
08:42:40 <Spaceshot> because to me, my logic works
08:42:42 <Spaceshot> to you it does not
08:43:09 <Spaceshot> I do not expect 1 set logic for everything in life to be everyones cup of tea
08:46:15 <Darkkapow> right seems good
08:46:41 <Darkkapow> I am telling you as someone who has done all the research into the multi armed fighting and as a VL your character is illegal for play.
08:46:57 <Darkkapow> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn5d?PFS-Ruling-Required-TwoWeapon-Fighting#1
08:47:08 <Darkkapow> An official answer to confirm will follow on this post.
08:47:15 <Darkkapow> if it doesn't i'll apologise
08:48:40 <Spaceshot> well I know stephen white would allow it at his table
08:49:01 <Spaceshot> I'm not sure his rank (as in who supercedes who), nor his research on the topic
08:49:22 <Spaceshot> but he has been given quite the information about this topic
08:49:25 <Spaceshot> and has allowed it
08:50:09 <Darkkapow> just because he's allowed it doesn't mean it's legal
08:50:32 <Darkkapow> you need to learn to read things, I understand you may never have read the multiweapon fighting feat before because it's not legal for pfs
08:50:47 <Darkkapow> it still applies.
08:50:52 <Spaceshot> I have before
08:51:00 <Darkkapow> then you should know better
08:51:05 <Spaceshot> it may specify multiple arms
08:51:29 <Spaceshot> but it is also about 3+ different attacks
08:51:40 <Spaceshot> as in, a weapon and 2 claws
08:51:45 <Spaceshot> 3+ claws
08:51:48 <Spaceshot> 3+ weapons
08:52:03 <Spaceshot> even technically 2 claws and a bite require multi-weapon fighting
08:53:47 <Darkkapow> no it says weapons
08:53:50 <Darkkapow> not natural attacks
08:53:51 <Darkkapow> weapons
08:53:54 <Darkkapow> blanket wording
08:54:59 <Steven> you guys still talkin bout that?
08:55:21 <Darkkapow> steven
08:55:22 <Spaceshot> he wishes to continue yes
08:55:24 <Darkkapow> if something is not pfs legal
08:55:31 <Darkkapow> it doesn't mean it does not exist
08:55:44 <Spaceshot> you should probably start at the begginning kapow
08:55:46 <Steven> oh dont get me involved in this.
08:56:01 <Spaceshot> can I just get your simple opinion though?
08:56:07 <Steven> no
08:56:12 <Spaceshot> whelp I tried
08:56:12 <Darkkapow> it's okay
08:56:15 <Steven> i dont want anything to do with that.
08:56:20 <Spaceshot> that is fine
08:56:21 <Darkkapow> i'll get a proper response of the rules board
08:56:33 <Steven> thats the correct course of action kapow.
08:56:39 <Darkkapow> then you can rebuild your illegal character
08:56:54 <Steven> space i suggest you write up your point of view and post it in the thread.
08:56:54 <Spaceshot> do not even have the character yet
08:57:09 <Spaceshot> it's as if that's what I'm trying to do rather than spend my time typing here
08:57:17 <Spaceshot> but darkkapow continues to respond on the matter
08:57:36 <Steven> so kapow... wanna recommend an archetype for my mad bomber?
08:57:36 <Darkkapow> I am trying to save you the time and disappointment later.
08:57:48 <Darkkapow> what are you trying to do with it?
08:58:00 <Spaceshot> I'd say concoctingen
08:58:06 <Spaceshot> or however you spell it
08:58:16 <Steven> im trying to run into a room
08:58:21 <Steven> drop about 10 alchemist fires.
08:58:29 <Steven> or acid flasks
08:58:35 <Steven> or liquid ice.
08:58:44 <Darkkapow> you can't
08:58:49 <Darkkapow> it's classified as a weapon
08:58:58 <Steven> dont worry i got that covered.
08:59:03 <Darkkapow> how?
08:59:08 <Darkkapow> put it all in a bag
08:59:11 <Darkkapow> and throw the bag?
08:59:11 <Steven> ill be able to have 4 out at any time
08:59:15 <Darkkapow> as an improvised weapon?
08:59:31 <Darkkapow> the same ruling i am discussing them applies steven
08:59:37 <Darkkapow> you'd have to take multiweapon fighting
08:59:37 <Steven> spring loaded for a 5th
08:59:38 <Darkkapow> and can't
08:59:56 <Steven> move action for the 6th
09:00:09 <Steven> and thats with the strict GMs.
09:00:22 <Steven> other GMs might just allow it for comic effect.
09:00:39 <Steven> but yeah, so 6 at the minimum
09:00:47 <Darkkapow> the only way i would allow it is to put them all in a bag like a satchel
09:00:50 <Darkkapow> and toss the satchel
09:00:57 <Steven> dont need it, its legal by raw.
09:01:08 <Darkkapow> using what raw ruling steven?
09:01:31 <Steven> tentacle can hold something.
09:01:39 <Steven> i'm not trying to throw them at people
09:01:49 <Steven> i'm just gonna drop em
09:02:26 <Steven> and i figure thats how i'm going to start combat
09:02:41 <Spaceshot> he's only dropping his items
09:02:46 <Spaceshot> and just holding them
09:02:58 <Steven> shout in some strange language, drop 6 alchemist items
09:03:04 <Steven> room blows up
09:03:07 <Darkkapow> so
09:03:08 <Spaceshot> tongues and haunterd, nice
09:03:18 <Steven> then we start combat
09:03:19 <Darkkapow> dropping them won't detonate them
09:03:33 <Steven> i imagine it will once they go flying 10ft away.
09:03:38 <Spaceshot> dropping them has a %50 chance of doing so
09:04:06 <Steven> even if they all managed to land in the same square, it would do a maximum 6 damage to a person.
09:04:21 <Steven> and its a hilarious way to spend 120-150g
09:04:36 <Darkkapow> oh spaceshot
09:04:50 <Steven> the GM that doesnt allow that, has a stick entirely to far up his ass to be any fun to play with.
09:05:02 <Darkkapow> stephen white has absolutely no recollection of ever saying to anyone that you could use two weapon fighting with multiple arms
09:05:20 <Spaceshot> it was I think 2011
09:05:26 <Spaceshot> I don't expect him to recall it
09:05:31 <Spaceshot> I'm just saying he did
09:05:43 <Spaceshot> there is a difference
09:05:51 <Spaceshot> and you do not have to go all sneaky about things
09:05:57 <Spaceshot> mekkis does the same thing and it shits me off
09:06:11 <Darkkapow> I am not going all sneaky about things
09:06:14 <Steven> it turns off your poop switch?
09:06:17 <Darkkapow> I am going and talking to your sources
09:06:20 <Darkkapow> you have quoted
09:06:39 <Steven> i think you should get that removed and just poop whenever you want
09:06:43 <Darkkapow> I have created an open post on the forums to get an official response
09:06:48 <Darkkapow> where you are more than welcome to post too
09:07:08 <Spaceshot> you already linked it kapow
09:07:09 <Darkkapow> if that's sneaky than your characters must get seen and found out alot
09:07:24 <Spaceshot> to me it felt sneaky
09:09:05 <Darkkapow> Verifying a source you've quoted is doing my due diligence
09:09:43 <Steven> damn... i need a race that doesnt have a penalty to int, but wont fuck my cha
09:09:53 <Spaceshot> aasimar
09:10:03 <Spaceshot> I bet there's a kin that'll work
09:10:09 <Steven> meh
09:10:35 <Darkkapow> play a gnome
09:14:33 <Spaceshot> ok, supposedly the faq is meant to also say "you can not put a weapon in 2 hands, and another weapon in 1 or 2 hands and attack with both"
09:14:35 <Spaceshot> but it doesn't
09:14:53 <Spaceshot> or at least that's what I got from the long discussion about it
09:15:02 <Spaceshot> on the forums
09:15:47 <Darkkapow> a discussion between players or posts from officials at paizo?
09:15:56 <Darkkapow> a discussion between players is useless.
09:16:01 <Spaceshot> you can find out yourself
09:16:09 <Darkkapow> give me a link
09:16:22 <Spaceshot> tell me how you get infinite bardic performance
09:16:31 <Darkkapow> no
09:16:44 <Spaceshot> guess we're at a stalemate
09:16:57 <Darkkapow> no because soon your 4 armed dream will be mute.
09:17:12 <Spaceshot> it's been a pipe dream since UM came out
09:17:22 <Spaceshot> I had never played on it
09:17:40 <Darkkapow> so why are you so butthurt that's it's illegal?
09:17:47 <Darkkapow> you have no investment in it
09:17:56 <Darkkapow> accept that you are wrong move on
09:17:58 <Spaceshot> when was I buthurt?
09:18:02 <Spaceshot> butthurt*
09:20:44 <Spaceshot> still got a character I was thinkin of makin up in the air
09:23:26 <Darkkapow> what is it?
09:24:30 <Steven> think imma go with half orc
09:25:41 <Spaceshot> somethin a wee cheesy
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09:47:45 <Darkkapow> we'll wait for an official response but so far the replies aren't looking good spacesho
09:47:46 <Darkkapow> t
09:58:30 <Spaceshot> I already said I know that it's not doable with vestigial arms
09:58:43 <Spaceshot> as in about half an hr ago
09:58:44 <Spaceshot> or so
10:07:10 <Darkkapow> good, glad you wasted 2 hours of both our time coming to that conclusion
10:07:20 <Spaceshot> I did not waste your time
10:07:28 <Spaceshot> you decided to participate
10:10:11 <Darkkapow> wasn't really a waste, i proved you wrong despite your ignorance
10:10:51 <Spaceshot> well aren't we all high and mighty
10:11:00 <Spaceshot> I do not care
10:11:05 <Spaceshot> I found out the answer
10:13:55 <Darkkapow> You where being so before your not so much now though.
10:14:26 <Darkkapow> If you are going to argue a point with someone make sure you are right before you have a go at them about how their logic works.
10:14:35 <Darkkapow> Cause it really does make you look like an idiot.
10:14:47 <Spaceshot> and I do not have to take insults from you
10:18:21 <Yiroep> o_o
10:21:50 <Darkkapow> hey you want to throw insults around when you are wrong you deserve everyone you get now and if you can't take it when you where throwing insults and you where wrong than maybe you need to keep your mouth shut in future.
10:22:14 <Darkkapow> Seriously, I was trying to show you why it didn't work you insulted my logic and reason when yours was the one flawed.
10:23:23 <Darkkapow> Arrogant and Ignorant people like you don't deserve politeness.
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12:07:39 <Damalon01> morning
12:16:21 <Theta> Anyone know if it is possible to get an Undine racial affinity? I want to try making a water witch based around Undine's Curse.
12:16:58 <Theta> Was thinking the adopted trait might let me... not sure though.
12:17:48 <Darkkapow> Mekkis i don't see your reasoning
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13:09:30 <Mekkis> Darkkapow, you're much more diplomatic than I in that case
13:28:15 <Mekkis> Darkkapow, your method of dealing with spaceshot is a great way of explaining why you're a VL and I'm not :)
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14:47:14 <Avatar> Mekkis: that game you and ulzef asked me to set up, there's now only two slots left
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15:07:53 <Steven> testicle blowfish!
15:08:09 <Steven> discuss.
15:24:20 <Spaceshot> well my life oracle, level 5, now has a familiar
15:24:30 <Spaceshot> should I spend my level 7th feat to improve it, or not bother?
15:24:39 * Steven shrugs
15:24:50 <Steven> do ya want something off the imp fam list?
15:25:07 <Spaceshot> there are 2 or 3 which could be useful
15:25:15 <Spaceshot> but how well does commune work in PFS?
15:25:27 <Steven> meh
15:26:31 <Spaceshot> also, do the DCs of imp familiar spells improve because it's a familiar?
15:27:08 <Steven> it has.... suggestion
15:27:20 <Spaceshot> which are you looking at?
15:28:22 <Steven> i dont think its worthwhile to worry about suggestion
15:28:38 <Spaceshot> again... which imp fam are you looking at?
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15:29:17 <Steven> the imp
15:29:32 <Steven> i'm bout to look at the other one that people get
15:29:36 <Spaceshot> I don't think I can even take an imp
15:29:38 <Steven> the fairy dragon
15:29:46 <Spaceshot> you can't take fairy dragon in pfs
15:30:11 <Steven> yeah you can.. just takes a boon.
15:30:20 <Spaceshot> don't have the boon
15:30:24 <Spaceshot> and don't really care about it
15:31:05 <Spaceshot> http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Silvanshee
15:31:08 <Spaceshot> mainly looking at that one
15:31:21 <Steven> not seeing any other one that really has save DCs worth worrying about
15:32:06 <Spaceshot> http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Paracletus has saves DC worth worrying about
15:32:54 <Steven> not really...
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15:34:08 <Spaceshot> I'm talking about the emotion aura mainly
15:34:14 <Spaceshot> since it's a MUST make a save
15:34:17 <Spaceshot> so you can't choose not to
15:34:22 <Spaceshot> even to get a benifit
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15:35:18 <Steven> by the time the save got anywhere near acceptable things are going to be looking at not rolling a natural 1.
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15:35:42 <Spaceshot> yea, but it's just annoying that you have to save against being blessed
15:35:44 <Spaceshot> it's stupid
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15:36:13 <Steven> not really, people would just willingly fail the save.
15:36:49 <Spaceshot> if it says must, I thought you have to save
15:36:54 <Spaceshot> and can't willingly not
15:37:07 <Steven> you can always fail to resist.
15:37:23 <Spaceshot> mmk
15:37:47 <Spaceshot> well it's still up in the air if I want a familiar or a bonded item (have yet to play since I've leveled so can easily change the fox familiar to a bonded item)
15:38:17 <Steven> lots of spells use the language 'must make a' that doesnt mean you cannot willingly fail.
15:38:43 <Spaceshot> mmk
15:39:29 <Spaceshot> if I get a bonded item through feats (the skill focus + eldritch heritage), do I still need to have it on my constantly or I cast with a %20 failure?
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15:39:50 <Steven> its what happens when you've got a group of people making spells, some of them are written better than others.
15:41:00 <Steven> i imagine so.
15:41:22 <Steven> but i doubt any GM is really going to care unless he can steal your arcane focus.
15:41:46 <Steven> and i only know of a couple GMs that do that kind of thing
15:41:49 <Spaceshot> it's more that if I choose to have a rod/staff
15:42:02 <Mekkis> rod is not an option
15:42:08 <Spaceshot> I can understand needing to wield it for the extra spell (as it comes from the bonded item)
15:42:10 <Spaceshot> and really?
15:42:13 <Spaceshot> that's just balls
15:42:30 <Steven> by about level 8 concentration becomes a moot point realy.
15:43:01 <Steven> most people end up being able to cast spells up to about 2-3 level with no problem.
15:44:03 <Steven> my wizard has a +25concentration so he can cast all his spells
15:44:22 <Steven> while defensive
15:44:25 <Spaceshot> I mainly don't want to take 2 feats to mean that I must wield/wear my bonded item at all times
15:44:29 <Spaceshot> to be able to cast effectively
15:45:15 <Steven> and he doesnt have an arcane bonded item, but if he did he would auto succeed up to level 6 spells.
15:45:56 <Steven> make it a ring
15:46:07 <Steven> very few characters actually need two rings until high level play.
15:46:45 <Spaceshot> staff is the most effective money wise
15:47:01 <Steven> yeah, but do you plan on using a staff ever?
15:47:15 <Spaceshot> I may even get weapon to be honest :P
15:47:41 <Spaceshot> if I have to do a concentration check
15:47:46 <Spaceshot> I'm sticking with familar
15:47:57 <Steven> familiars are pretty good
15:48:08 <Steven> you can send them to fetch things.
15:48:28 <Spaceshot> I'm more of using it as free uses of reach rod
15:48:30 <Spaceshot> which I also have
15:48:53 <Spaceshot> have the familiar on someones person (under their cloak or something)
15:49:01 <Spaceshot> and it allows me to touch spell it
15:49:20 <Spaceshot> and since delivering a touch spell doesn't provoke, only casting a spell does
15:49:26 <Spaceshot> the familiar won't be stabbed fori t
15:49:43 <Steven> actually you have to be touching the familiar when you cast a spell, and then it can go deliver the touch spell.
15:49:57 <Spaceshot> sure?
15:50:02 <Steven> yes.
15:50:38 <Steven> its in the description of deliver touch spells.
15:50:46 <Spaceshot> well then
15:50:51 <Spaceshot> time to do some shuffling
15:51:04 <Spaceshot> good thing I have yet to play Ava since she hit level 5
15:51:12 <Steven> good thing indeed.
15:51:18 <Steven> imma finish up my mad bomber
15:51:19 <Spaceshot> now I have a feat to choose
15:51:32 <Steven> what kind of wizard are you?
15:51:42 <Spaceshot> Life Oracle
15:51:55 <Steven> hmmmm....
15:51:57 <Spaceshot> yea
15:52:19 <Spaceshot> tempted to take alignment channel if I'm still looking at going Vindicator
15:53:12 <Steven> !feat flagbearer
15:53:17 <diebot> Steven, JAWBREAKER [Combat] You deliver a powerful strike to the mouth, breaking teeth and bone. Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Heal 6 ranks. Benefit: When you make a successful Stunning Fist attempt against an opponent that is grappled, helpless, or stunned, instead of imparting any other Stunning Fist effect, you can
15:53:18 <diebot> cripple that opponent's mouth, dealing normal unarmed strike damage and 1d4 points of bleed damage. Until the bleed damage ends, the target is unable to use its mouth to attack, speak clearly, and employ verbal spell components. A creature that is immune to critical hits or that has no discernible mouth is immune to the effects of this feat.
15:53:18 <diebot> Benefit: Source: UC
15:53:31 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/flagbearer-local
15:53:44 <Spaceshot> do not believe that helps me in anyway
15:54:18 <Steven> just an always on buff.
15:54:58 <Steven> my life oracle has that and a banner of the ancient kings
15:55:20 <Spaceshot> my hands are not free at all
15:55:52 <Steven> do you have a spear?
15:56:02 <Spaceshot> longspear
15:56:20 <Steven> you can attach a banner of the ancient kings to a longspear
15:56:40 <Steven> which means you can still wield your weapon and carry a banner of the ancient kings.
15:56:59 <Spaceshot> why ancient kings?
15:58:24 <Steven> doubles the moral from flagbearers
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15:58:43 <Spaceshot> !search ancient kings
15:58:43 <diebot> Spaceshot, Banner of the Ancient Kings
15:58:55 <Spaceshot> !item ancient kingsa
15:58:55 <diebot> Spaceshot, NIGHTSKIN [moderate illusion (evil)] CL:10 armor 53100gp, 25lb
15:58:56 <diebot> Each of these +2 glamered chain shirts bears a permanent illusion of being a fantastic ebon gown of peerless design or a royal suit of nighted hues. Yet those who see past the illusion find a strange padding within the armor, stitched skins of macabre origins filled with locks of delicate hair, dyed in devil's blood. Those who wear the armor find
15:58:56 <diebot> that they can see in even the most abysmal darkness as per a devil's ability to see in darkness (seeing through even magical darkness as if it were full light). In addition, the wearer finds that he can understand Infernal perfectly, though the armor does not grant the ability to speak it. Nightskin is a fundamentally evil armor and any wearer of
15:58:56 <diebot> good alignment is treated as being sickened for as long as the armor is worn. Source: AP 30
15:59:12 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/banner-of-the-ancient-kings
15:59:56 <Spaceshot> that is expensive
16:00:05 <Steven> yup
16:00:20 <Steven> at lower levels it is
16:00:57 <Steven> at 7-8 getting a constant inspire courage is worth a few K
16:01:27 <Steven> specially if you're not having to send a lot on weapons and armor.
16:01:57 <Spaceshot> I've only got 517g atm
16:02:09 <Steven> my god man... have you spent gold every session?
16:02:13 <Spaceshot> I had to rez myself (paying for 2 restorations for neg levels arn't cheap)
16:02:20 <Spaceshot> and I just bought a lesser rod of reach
16:02:24 <Steven> yeah... that would do it.
16:02:41 <Spaceshot> I haven't really spent anything else
16:02:41 <Steven> what spells do you have that require reach?
16:02:47 <Spaceshot> cure spells
16:02:54 <Spaceshot> going from touch to close is great
16:04:03 <Steven> do you have the revelation Safe Curing ?
16:04:19 <Spaceshot> nope
16:04:22 <Steven> because then you can walk right up in combat and cure the peoples with no AoOs
16:04:34 <Spaceshot> and it's not really the AoOs I'm affraid of
16:04:36 <Spaceshot> I have 15AC
16:04:43 <Spaceshot> I don't want to be in the fighting at all
16:05:37 <Spaceshot> I did buy a +2 cha headband at level 3
16:05:43 <Spaceshot> then died the scenario after I bought it
16:05:46 <Spaceshot> so had to sell it to be alive
16:06:07 <Spaceshot> did not make me happy
16:07:04 <Steven> there is literally no way you coul have a +2 cha headband at level 3.
16:07:25 <Steven> unless it was on a chronicle sheet
16:07:43 <Spaceshot> I played I got tiered up in a 3-7
16:07:52 <Steven> the issue is not gold
16:07:55 <Steven> its the fame requirement
16:07:59 <Spaceshot> and I have the ruby phoenix chron
16:08:19 <Spaceshot> like the week before they removed the level up your character for mods rule
16:09:04 <Spaceshot> 1 more cure, 1 more channel
16:09:05 <Spaceshot> were great
16:09:08 <Spaceshot> but then had to sell
16:09:10 <Spaceshot> not cool
16:09:32 <Spaceshot> I can not get the rod of reach and instead save for the headband next session
16:10:03 <Steven> did nobody chip in on your character?
16:10:10 <Spaceshot> I got a slight chipin
16:10:11 <Steven> to help get it raised?
16:10:24 <Steven> i guess people at my store are just more generous than others.
16:10:25 <Spaceshot> it was practically a TPK, except one character managed to survive
16:10:38 <Spaceshot> 2 practically new characters, 2 level 3s
16:10:56 <Spaceshot> each of the practically new characters gave their reward/dosh to each of the levels 3 (as in one each)
16:11:17 <Steven> that sucks man.
16:11:21 <Spaceshot> yup
16:11:31 <Spaceshot> do not like temple of empyreal enlightment at low tier
16:11:40 <Steven> yeah that one is a bitch.
16:11:44 <Spaceshot> life oracles are not meant to be main tank and main damage
16:11:49 <Spaceshot> we were not told it was a hard one
16:11:53 <Spaceshot> which I believe is unfair
16:12:11 <Mekkis> it's not really a hard one
16:12:14 <Steven> nah, i dont warn players that certain modules are harder than others.
16:12:34 <Spaceshot> mekkis, it is a hard one, at least for those who do not prepare for EVERYTHING
16:12:47 <Mekkis> I don't prepare for everything
16:12:52 <Mekkis> my preparation is organic
16:12:52 <Spaceshot> which only one person at the table would have
16:13:08 <Steven> at lower levels that scenario is actually pretty difficult.
16:13:11 <Spaceshot> exactly, and organic preb would not prepare for this, unless you were of a certain class
16:13:18 <Spaceshot> it was only the BBEG that got us
16:13:23 <Mekkis> I uptiered when I played it
16:13:28 <Spaceshot> the rest of it was hillarious (we tied up the guards...)
16:13:53 <Spaceshot> good for you mekkis
16:14:12 <Spaceshot> again, not everyone has well optimised characters, has the rulebook memorised and is geared properly
16:14:28 <Steven> the trap nearly wiped the party i ran though it.
16:14:35 <Steven> they clustered infront of the door
16:14:45 <Spaceshot> hah
16:14:47 <Steven> 3d6 rolled well
16:14:51 <Spaceshot> the rogue went off by himself
16:15:08 <Spaceshot> I got jabbed (I had life link on) and thought "eh, he just did something stupid again"
16:15:28 <Steven> put everyone at bloodied or worse.
16:15:30 <Spaceshot> when he got hit again I was like "we should probably see what he's doing over there"
16:15:37 <Spaceshot> yea that was a dangerous trap
16:16:06 <Spaceshot> the rogue was the other level 3
16:16:09 <Spaceshot> so it was ok for him
16:16:20 <Steven> when i got ran though it we did the 4-5 and those fuckin zombies with the overhand chop....
16:16:38 <Spaceshot> yea those zombies hurt, we got to bottleneck them though
16:16:41 <Spaceshot> which made it easier
16:16:47 <Steven> crit and confirmed on my character
16:16:52 <Steven> 2d10+20
16:16:52 <Spaceshot> oooooouch
16:16:56 <Spaceshot> yea that'll do it
16:17:07 <Steven> next round gm saw they had power attack
16:17:10 <Spaceshot> like at 4-5 I don't see it as a bad/tough scenario
16:17:17 <Spaceshot> it's just the scaling down doesn't seem fair is all
16:17:35 <Steven> rolled and crit and confirmed on my character again
16:17:43 <Steven> 2d10+26
16:17:52 <Steven> and i was suckin on floor
16:18:07 <Steven> its just really good i was playing one of my high con character
16:18:08 <Spaceshot> wow
16:18:14 <Spaceshot> mmm
16:18:30 <Steven> seriously 20 con saved me.
16:18:40 <Spaceshot> I was carried through song of the sea witch (t6-7 out of a 3-7 scenario)
16:18:58 <Spaceshot> and besides the initial fight, I was better of in that one
16:19:13 <Spaceshot> and same with brun (Baraiq was there too, at either 3 o 4)
16:19:16 <Steven> i drowned players in that one.
16:19:37 <Steven> that last fight is just so stupid.
16:19:44 <Spaceshot> it was a bit awkward
16:20:00 <Steven> oh i grapple and then drag you into the water next round...
16:20:07 <Mekkis> still doesn't change the fact that you need 18 fame to get a +2 headband
16:20:16 <Mekkis> meaning minimum of 9XP
16:20:28 <Steven> he has a chronicle with a headband on it mekkis.
16:20:36 <Spaceshot> mekkis, I already stated how I got it
16:20:37 <Steven> which is where he bought it from.
16:20:50 <Spaceshot> ruby phoenix has a lot of stuff on it
16:21:14 <Spaceshot> and most of it is only worth getting (or the fact you'd have enough PP for practically everything on it) at a low level
16:21:20 <Spaceshot> so level up for it was soooo worth it
16:21:53 <Steven> well the reason they putt stuff like that on there is incase you have to purchase a replacement in a villiage of 500
16:22:07 <Spaceshot> mmm true
16:22:22 <Spaceshot> wait, you can get chron gear even at villages of 500?
16:22:48 <Steven> theres a chart somewhere.
16:22:53 <Spaceshot> ahh ok
16:23:03 <Spaceshot> all I know is, I hate Erinyes with a passion
16:24:36 <Steven> For the sake of ease of play in Pathfinder Society Organized Play, players may always buy gear, spells and so on so long as their characters are in a town of more than 5,000 residents. Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every faction has at least one representative in every small city or larger settlement on Golarion. If ou
16:24:45 <Steven> found a blurb
16:26:41 <Spaceshot> but yea, dieing not good
16:26:55 <Spaceshot> life oracle with awful combat ability should not be tanking or main damage
16:27:12 <Steven> yeah i wouldnt have done that at all.
16:27:24 <Steven> i'd been like... hey you get in there, i'll keep you alive
16:27:33 <Spaceshot> tried that
16:27:38 <Spaceshot> they failed
16:27:45 <Spaceshot> I was only tanking for a couple rounds
16:27:53 <Steven> plan B... run.
16:27:54 <Spaceshot> and I was only main damage by rolls, not by choice
16:27:59 <Mekkis> more like "I can't hear you"
16:28:07 <Spaceshot> yea in hindsight I should have
16:29:32 <Spaceshot> sure, there were plenty of bad rolls made by the damage dealers
16:29:55 <Steven> happens.
16:30:09 <Steven> other day with my gunslinger all i needed was to roll a 5 or better
16:30:25 <Steven> wasted 11 bullets in a fight.
16:31:10 <Spaceshot> but if the players (2 level 1 sorcs, a level 1 fighter, a level 3 rogue/witch and a level 3 life oracle) get downed
16:31:15 <Spaceshot> and do barely any damage to it
16:31:27 <Spaceshot> without the BBEG using much of it's abilities
16:31:32 <Spaceshot> it's a tough/hard fight
16:31:43 <Spaceshot> well 1 of the sorcs ran and left, but still
16:32:18 <Spaceshot> I think the BBEG only used 1 or 2 of it's abilities (I think 2 charges/uses of one and that was it)
16:33:12 <Spaceshot> anywho, that happened ages ago, Ava is alive (so not the worst)
16:33:16 <Spaceshot> and I'm gtfoing for a bit
16:34:10 <Steven> alright finishing mad bomber character
16:35:31 <Steven> worst character i've ever made
16:35:40 <Steven> and probably the funniest.
16:39:55 <Steven> so elementalist oracle looks really powerful.
16:40:56 <Steven> 11th level you can gain 30ft fly perfect menuverability
16:46:50 <Spaceshot> elementalist?
16:48:40 <Spaceshot> do you mean the elemental mysteries? such as flame/water/stone/wind?
16:55:47 <Steven> new archetype
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17:30:38 <Avatar> yo
17:34:56 <Avatar> looks like we're running that friday game in roll20
17:49:10 <Avatar> god just creating a new campaign and seeing the fullscreen white grid makes me sick
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18:05:28 <Avatar> ok finally worked out dynamic lighting
18:05:47 <Avatar> mostly
18:06:09 <Steven> have you really?
18:06:22 <Steven> i dont think i can stand to be disappointed again
18:06:52 <Avatar> because there was a lot of darkness in we be goblins
18:07:18 <Steven> yeah... broke my heart man... broke it
18:07:30 <Avatar> I have worked out how to lighten an area around a token but not how to make it so you can't see at all in an area if you're not in it
18:07:39 <Avatar> without having to use polygon reveals
18:46:21 <Steven> gonna go play some sc2
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19:14:42 <Avatar> anyone here used dynamic lighting in roll20?
19:29:42 <Avatar> that's what I thought
19:39:55 <Brunius> I kinda want to go play more KSP, but I know it's gonna be more crashing into the moon and failing to rescue jeb
19:53:26 <Spaceshot> hah
19:53:29 <Spaceshot> gotta save jeb
19:53:36 <Spaceshot> he's the best, and also token, kerban
20:08:09 <Steven> bored.
20:14:01 <Spaceshot> then make another weird character
20:28:00 <Steven> but i havent played this character yet.
20:28:15 <Steven> and he is level 2
20:28:29 <Spaceshot> GMbaby?
20:28:36 <Steven> premades.
20:28:40 <Steven> gm credit
20:28:45 <Steven> we be goblins
20:28:55 <Steven> level 2... never played him.
20:29:03 <Spaceshot> not the hardest
20:29:26 <Spaceshot> I still have no idea what I want to make my GM credit whore to be
20:29:52 <Steven> a whore?
20:30:12 <Spaceshot> as in, the character I'm shoving all my GM credit too
20:30:17 <Spaceshot> well at least for a bit
20:30:56 <Steven> no i mean make it a whore.
20:30:58 <Steven> a man whore.
20:30:59 <Steven> go go
20:31:22 <Spaceshot> umm.... I could
20:31:35 <Spaceshot> but I don't think it'd be that productive scenario/adventuring wise
20:32:06 <Darkkapow> I think I am going to go the Aasimar theurge road steven for my cast
20:32:10 <Darkkapow> caster*
20:32:21 <Steven> a gay man whore.
20:32:32 <Darkkapow> I don't have a wayang boon
20:32:37 <Spaceshot> the abusing racial casting thing?
20:32:44 <Darkkapow> yeah
20:33:04 <Darkkapow> If i had a Wayang boon i'd make the umbral caster I was thinking about
20:33:06 <Steven> thats just sad kapow.
20:33:08 <Spaceshot> they really need to crack down on that
20:33:15 <Steven> I have two of them. bwahahahahaha
20:33:24 <Darkkapow> trade you an ifrit for one :P
20:33:26 <Spaceshot> umbral caster?
20:33:37 <Darkkapow> shadow illusionist
20:33:52 <Darkkapow> basically casts shadow or illusion spells at like +4 cl
20:33:54 <Steven> why would i want an ifirit boon? those things are like herpes
20:33:59 <Steven> everybody gots one.
20:34:05 <Darkkapow> I know it's sad
20:34:46 <Spaceshot> I have yet to get a boon
20:35:03 <Darkkapow> I have a lot of boons floating around
20:35:07 <Darkkapow> but thats all they ever do
20:35:09 <Darkkapow> is float around
20:35:49 <Spaceshot> how about give them to people who want them?
20:36:21 <Darkkapow> either than or steven
20:36:29 <Darkkapow> use the wayang shaddow puppeteer bard
20:36:35 <Darkkapow> and use the infinite bardic performance
20:36:43 <Darkkapow> with the Shadow Puppets
20:36:50 <Steven> i dont want to do infinite bardic performance.
20:37:03 <Steven> after about level 8 you never run out of performance
20:37:12 <Darkkapow> yeah
20:37:19 <Darkkapow> and you can't do it till level 7 anyway :P
20:37:25 <Darkkapow> but still I just want a minstrel
20:37:29 <Steven> cause people are smart and pick up lingering performance
20:38:15 <Darkkapow> you just use allegro with the infinite bardic performance and enjoy haste for days :D
20:38:44 <Steven> my level 9 bard
20:38:53 <Steven> 29 rounds of bardic performance
20:39:10 <Darkkapow> yeah you don't really need that many
20:39:11 <Steven> which using lingering lasts 87 rounds
20:39:26 <Steven> i can literally inspire for almost 9 minutes.
20:39:35 <Darkkapow> but still it's the fact you can walk around through a dungeon
20:39:42 <Darkkapow> keeping the +'s up on everyone for other things
20:39:46 <Steven> that is just fuckin dumb.
20:40:05 <Darkkapow> :P
20:40:10 <Darkkapow> never said it was good
20:40:14 <s_gmusic> I'm still looking for a use on my Ifrit boon. not sure if I will make something with it or not. :\
20:40:16 <Darkkapow> just said found out how to do it
20:40:46 <Steven> i mean... seriously in what scenario do people fight for 9 minutes of combat?
20:40:46 <Darkkapow> The more i stare at my ifrit boon and wonder what to use it for
20:41:01 <Darkkapow> the more inevitable it becomes that i will follow eevryone else and make a fire spec'd sorcerer
20:41:15 <Darkkapow> it's uses aren't for combat
20:41:20 <Darkkapow> it's everything else
20:41:30 <Steven> I started picking up the song things
20:41:43 <Steven> so i could do random shit with my 30 rounds of performance.
20:41:59 <Spaceshot> I wouldn't mind any of the elemental races
20:42:06 <Spaceshot> but eh, I do not have such luxury
20:42:54 <Darkkapow> I want a stone gnome :(
20:43:30 <Steven> prolly not gonna happen.
20:43:48 <Darkkapow> I know
20:43:53 <s_gmusic> I wanna svirfneblin. definitely not gonna happen. :D
20:45:06 <Darkkapow> can still dream
20:45:17 <Darkkapow> be so awkward though to play in society
20:45:21 <Spaceshot> I want an interesting race for flavour
20:45:27 <Spaceshot> not for mechanics though
20:45:32 <Steven> human
20:45:58 <Darkkapow> it's sad human is outright best race in pfs
20:46:05 <Darkkapow> with case exceptions
20:46:40 <Spaceshot> nah, you can't do some of my flavours with human
20:46:42 <Darkkapow> I know for sure once I do eyes I will be making a human and making sure he gets 3 +2 to stats
20:46:48 <Spaceshot> vanilla is good, and any topping works
20:46:52 <Spaceshot> but somethings can't be fixed via toppings
20:48:20 <Darkkapow> svirfneblin are kind of like gillmen
20:48:22 <Spaceshot> an elemental race solves one thing
20:48:24 <Darkkapow> will never happen
20:48:31 <Darkkapow> just too painful and awkward
20:48:43 <Spaceshot> svirf are the drow equiv for gnomes
20:49:07 <s_gmusic> yeah. duergar for dwarves.
20:49:18 <s_gmusic> don't -really- wanna play one, but I like saying the name.
20:49:44 <Spaceshot> I think dream gnomes from 3.5 have a better name
20:49:51 <Spaceshot> forgot it, but it's similarly weird
20:52:41 <Spaceshot> but yea, elemental race, would love :P
20:52:52 <Spaceshot> I don't know if there is a specific one which is better though
20:52:56 <Spaceshot> probably wind flavour wise
20:53:16 <Darkkapow> the wisp bit is kinda useful
20:53:54 <Steven> think imma get another undine in two weeks
20:55:48 <s_gmusic> working on my first commissioned fig and it's the same one I've done twice already. guy wants me to rebase it like I did mine. I forgot how I did mine. :|
20:56:58 <Mekkis> any prestige classes an oracle could reasonably take?
20:57:07 <Darkkapow> rage prophet
20:57:29 <Mekkis> anything else?
20:57:36 <Steven> holy vindicator
20:57:42 <Spaceshot> hellknight sanctifier
20:57:55 <Spaceshot> why? found some cheesy oracle thing mekkis?
20:57:58 <Mekkis> where's the vindicator?
20:58:04 <Spaceshot> APG is vindicator
20:58:13 <Spaceshot> and Prestige book is sanctifier
20:58:13 <Mekkis> no Spaceshot. Just trying to find a direction for my oracle
20:58:35 <Steven> only for life oracles.
20:59:21 <Spaceshot> what oracle are you making?
20:59:25 <Spaceshot> or have made
20:59:52 <s_gmusic> question: are Large-sized weapons available for purchase in PFS?
21:00:02 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, I believe so
21:00:18 <Steven> yeah, but you cant wield two handed large sized weapons.
21:00:30 <Darkkapow> titan mauler?
21:00:47 <Steven> broken for pfs really
21:00:52 <s_gmusic> yeah, can't wield two-handed weapons and have to wield one-handed weapons in two-hands.
21:01:05 <Mekkis> he's an andoran businessman
21:01:06 <Darkkapow> Titan Mauler :P
21:01:14 <Mekkis> sees coins everywhere
21:01:40 <Darkkapow> Massive Weapons (Ex): At 3rd level, a titan mauler
21:01:41 <Darkkapow> becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted
21:01:41 <Darkkapow> from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using
21:01:41 <Darkkapow> weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this
21:01:41 <Darkkapow> reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd
21:01:41 <Darkkapow> (to a minimum of 0). This ability replaces trap sense.
21:01:56 <Spaceshot> I'm more interested in what mystery, would give better suggestion as to what prestige class/s are good for him
21:02:31 <Darkkapow> I need to play Aidrel more :(
21:02:33 <s_gmusic> I know, dark, but that's not what I was looking at.
21:02:58 <Darkkapow> 1 game off hitting his power spike :D
21:03:24 <Darkkapow> 32 strength at level 4 :D
21:04:14 <Spaceshot> which I'm guessing takes at least 1 turn to activate
21:04:15 <Mekkis> is deity-level magic more powerful than a wish?
21:04:36 <Darkkapow> lets you make 1 attack
21:04:39 <Darkkapow> in the turn you activate it
21:04:45 <Steven> probably equal if not more powerful than wish level magics
21:04:50 <s_gmusic> Titan Mauler 2/Fighter (X) TWF with a Greatsword in the main hand and something else in the off-hand.
21:05:13 <Darkkapow> TWF with a titan mauler is really painful until higher levels
21:05:18 <Mekkis> could you wish away an oracle's curse?
21:05:24 <Steven> no
21:05:43 <Mekkis> could you wish to suppress an oracle's curse for two weeks?
21:06:02 <Steven> oracle curses are not removable in pfs, and to negate the curse in a regular game would probably negate the benefit
21:06:08 <Spaceshot> oracle's curse can not be altered in anyway without the help of a deity
21:06:18 <Steven> the benefit being oracle levels.
21:06:45 <Spaceshot> or you could just make a shaman and ride the OP train till they hopefully change it on release
21:06:51 <Spaceshot> which isn't till august so you've got plenty of time
21:06:51 <Darkkapow> Barbarian 2/ Alchemist 2/ Fighter 8
21:07:09 <Darkkapow> Titan Mauler, Rage Chemist, Two-Handed Fighter
21:07:19 <Darkkapow> welcome to wield 2 scythes and dealing 2x str damage
21:08:00 <Darkkapow> or as daniel calls it no your not bringing that to one of my tables town
21:08:05 <s_gmusic> looking for "silly" not "broken"
21:08:25 <Darkkapow> if your wondering space shot thats the legit way to dual wield 2hers
21:08:29 <Steven> we should get kapow to run carrion crown for us
21:08:35 <Spaceshot> I know of that
21:08:36 <Steven> kapow... get on that.
21:08:42 <Spaceshot> that wasn't what I was wanting
21:08:43 <Darkkapow> buy it for me I will XP
21:08:51 <Spaceshot> 4arms just sounded hilarious to have
21:08:57 <Darkkapow> yeah I know
21:09:01 <Darkkapow> I had the same dream :(
21:09:07 <Darkkapow> originally did it the way you did
21:09:14 <Darkkapow> only reason i know it didn't work
21:09:27 <Steven> how about we see who wants to play, and then we all buy one book for you.
21:09:43 <Damalon01> morning
21:09:45 <Spaceshot> carrion crown is an AP correct?
21:09:46 <Darkkapow> I have so much coming up to run though
21:09:46 <Steven> that way we all have an equal stake in seeing it completed.
21:09:56 <Steven> FAIL!
21:10:50 <Darkkapow> as of a few weeks from now will have PFS on every Second Wednesday, on every second Saturday and the alternating Sundays and the alternating Wednesdays will be Slumbering Tsar
21:11:05 <Darkkapow> and then having to fit in serpent skull
21:11:09 <Darkkapow> and wotw around that
21:11:10 <Steven> wait
21:11:29 <Steven> so you'll be running 2 game days a week?
21:11:49 <Darkkapow> 3 every 2 weeks
21:12:00 <Steven> ...
21:12:06 <Darkkapow> one saturday, one sunday and one wednesday
21:12:11 <Darkkapow> but at different locations
21:12:25 <Darkkapow> wednesdays with the primary pathfinder lodge
21:12:35 <Steven> MAN UP BITCH! i do 2 game days a week that are public, two private
21:12:39 <Mekkis> and you're attending all of them?
21:12:56 <Darkkapow> shhh steven :P
21:12:58 <Steven> yup... all my free time is basically pfs.
21:13:00 <Darkkapow> I'm only a VL
21:13:05 <Darkkapow> your a VC
21:13:09 <Darkkapow> higher expectations yo
21:13:13 <Steven> no im a VL
21:13:20 <Darkkapow> shhhh
21:13:36 <Darkkapow> my brain
21:14:55 <Spaceshot> wish I spent some of my spare time doing something...
21:15:02 <Spaceshot> barely even play pfs as it is
21:15:47 <Steven> alright spaceshot run carrion crown
21:15:55 <Darkkapow> We are also going to be running the old Specials and multi table events in the next few months :D
21:16:00 <Spaceshot> you buy it for me then sure
21:16:01 <Spaceshot> will do
21:18:25 <Theta> Anyone know if it is possible to get an Undine racial affinity? I want to try making a water witch based around Undine's Curse.
21:19:02 <Theta> Was thinking the adopted trait might let me... not sure though.
21:19:47 <Spaceshot> but otherwise, I've got more pressing pathfinder purchases first
21:19:52 <Darkkapow> Mekkis i don't see your reasoning
21:19:56 <Spaceshot> still don't even have UE
21:20:06 <Steven> im just foolin around
21:20:17 <Steven> con season is starting in another 2 weeks
21:20:31 <Steven> and then i pretty much have one con per month until october
21:20:34 <Spaceshot> not my problem if you can't make a session or 2
21:21:00 <Spaceshot> well not all of us live in the states and/or have the ability/money to travel a lot
21:21:16 <Steven> Neither do i, i've planned it all out very carefully
21:22:16 <Spaceshot> I've barely planned what I'm going to do this week, let alone months down the line
21:22:33 <Darkkapow> I play the first thronekeep this weekend
21:22:48 <Darkkapow> thorne*
21:23:18 <Steven> well, i have radcon this month, next month victoriacon, then missulacon, paizocon, spocon, gencon, pax, winterfest,
21:23:27 <s_gmusic> thornkeep was sillyness
21:23:45 <Spaceshot> yea we don't have that many cons in australia
21:23:59 <Spaceshot> and I'm not going to spend $120+ to go to pax in melbourne
21:24:07 <s_gmusic> dm was "which way to you go?" "LEFT HAND WALL WALK" "okay, you hit the boss" >.>
21:24:17 <Darkkapow> I will be doing PAX this year
21:24:26 <Darkkapow> just don't know for what yet :/
21:24:29 <Spaceshot> I cbf/can't afford/don't want to afford
21:24:35 <Darkkapow> Will know within next 2-3 months
21:24:36 <Steven> i'm paying food, gas, and plane ticket.
21:24:42 <Darkkapow> :D
21:24:48 <Darkkapow> soooo goood!
21:24:52 <Steven> prolly cost me about 1.5k for all the conventions.
21:25:01 <Darkkapow> Will either be an exhibitor or there as a competitor :D
21:25:29 <Spaceshot> how do you not pay for con entry (for those that require it)?
21:25:33 <Steven> i'm going to be GMing at both of them.
21:25:38 <Steven> well all of them.
21:26:00 <Darkkapow> And I will be there for either PFS or League of Legends.
21:26:09 <Spaceshot> and you get free entry as a GM?
21:26:14 <Darkkapow> missed the last qualifiers just.
21:26:17 <Steven> so roughly 8 racial boons, and a plethora of other boons.
21:26:19 <Darkkapow> got 2 left to try get through
21:27:24 <Spaceshot> but yea, not GMing at pax cause to my understanding I'd have to pay anyway
21:27:46 <Spaceshot> and I don't want to pay to just play at it
21:30:59 <Darkkapow> think of all the delicious delicious boons
21:32:40 <Spaceshot> I'm not going to pay $120ish for a couple boons
21:33:02 <Darkkapow> It's not that just.
21:33:16 <Darkkapow> It's the experience meeting all the other people, the going out drinking together after the days.
21:33:24 <Darkkapow> It's like a giant package.
21:33:32 <Spaceshot> I do not drink
21:33:32 <Darkkapow> expensive package
21:33:34 <Darkkapow> but still
21:33:46 <Spaceshot> I also don't really like massive crowds of people
21:33:58 <Darkkapow> your prerogative
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21:34:14 <Spaceshot> that is generally what makes me decide what I do and do not do
21:35:14 <Spaceshot> not saying I wouldn't like the experience (both for my characters and the experience of PAX), but I just don't want to pay for that
21:35:31 <Spaceshot> because there is likelyhood of me just wanting to leave midway through day one and not return
21:38:15 <Darkkapow> then buy a one day pass
21:38:17 <Darkkapow> not the entire event
21:38:29 <Darkkapow> make it through 1 day
21:38:36 <Darkkapow> and say i had that experience
21:38:59 <Spaceshot> I'd want to buy the whole weekend pass
21:39:50 <Spaceshot> either way, too expensive to just play pathfinder
21:40:10 <Spaceshot> because I won't have time to see panels, and I won't have money to buy merch
21:40:34 <Steven> best part of a convention for me is finding new things to do with characters.
21:41:12 <Steven> like at the shop when someone sits down at my table i pretty much know what they are going to bring, i know the level of system mastery the player has.
21:41:28 <Steven> and so i know how optimized their character is likely to be
21:42:21 <Steven> when i sit down at a table at a convention, well theres no telling what the hell is going to sit down.
21:42:23 <Spaceshot> you don't have to pay con entry
21:42:24 <Spaceshot> I would
21:42:35 <Steven> could be a combination of things i never thought would work.
21:42:47 <Steven> in a million years and its amazing and i learn something
21:43:15 <Spaceshot> steven, nice rant
21:43:18 <Spaceshot> but again, money
21:43:19 <Spaceshot> do not has
21:43:27 <Spaceshot> not on my list of what I wish to buy
21:43:47 <Steven> hey, i am a care giver in the US. i make jack shit.
21:43:49 <s_gmusic> rant where?
21:44:05 <Spaceshot> I am on government income
21:44:07 <Spaceshot> I make less
21:44:25 <Steven> if i can manage to fly across the country to gm/play at gencon, i'm pretty sure you can find a way to throw down 40 bucks and go to a con.
21:44:38 <Spaceshot> nope
21:44:44 <Spaceshot> sure can't
21:44:59 <Steven> then you're holding yourself back from it, and thats sad for you.
21:45:16 <Spaceshot> no, I am being serious
21:45:16 <Steven> now kapow... bout that link.
21:45:18 <Spaceshot> I can not afford it
21:46:11 <Steven> space, im done talking about it, you wanna say you're too broke to pay 40 bucks, thats fine... i understand that, and its sad for you that you cant go.
21:46:40 <Spaceshot> no, you were saying that I am making myself not
21:46:49 <Spaceshot> that got on my nerve, so I said what I said
21:46:50 <Darkkapow> could be a rogue that sits town at your table
21:46:52 <Darkkapow> :O
21:46:59 * Darkkapow dies of shock at the thought
21:47:06 <Steven> hey i played with a rogue at paizocon.
21:47:20 <Darkkapow> what level is it and where else have you played it :P?
21:47:21 <Steven> he did a whole 1d4+2+3d6 a round
21:48:11 <Steven> my ankylosaurus outdamaged him
21:48:17 <Darkkapow> XP
21:48:19 <s_gmusic> lawl dino
21:48:26 <Steven> i didnt play the rogue, i played with him.
21:48:26 <Darkkapow> I hate non skill characters :/
21:48:41 <Darkkapow> only reason I want to play rogue
21:48:45 <Darkkapow> is for the mass skills
21:48:52 <Spaceshot> rogues are seen as bad because people always look at the damage output
21:49:01 <Spaceshot> that's what a rogue is about, skills
21:49:23 <Steven> the guy was pissy that my AC was better than him, and its like... well dont say you're a combat rogue and then do an average of 15 damage a round.
21:49:59 <s_gmusic> I was trying to figure out how to rotate my fig on it's base instead of having it corner to corner, then I flipped the base over and seen the groove I could cut out. :\
21:50:03 <Darkkapow> too many rogues look past the feat gang up
21:50:33 <Steven> yeah my AC did 2d6+11 damage and stunned on dc 21.
21:50:48 <Darkkapow> I think If I am going to rogue I am going to play rogue/ranger
21:50:49 <s_gmusic> that's some crazy armor, steven, if it could do that.
21:50:52 <Darkkapow> and take an AC
21:50:54 <s_gmusic> ;)
21:50:56 <Darkkapow> to make flanking easier
21:51:03 <Steven> people kept flanking with the AC instead of the rogue.
21:51:13 <Steven> and its like YEAH! they want a baddie stunned.
21:51:15 <Spaceshot> kapow, you mean slayer?
21:51:17 <Darkkapow> see with gang up it doesn't matter
21:51:24 <Darkkapow> no spaceshot
21:51:30 <Darkkapow> actual rogue/ranger
21:51:38 <Darkkapow> using multiple archetypes
21:51:44 <Spaceshot> yea that'd be the only reason
21:51:57 <Darkkapow> pretty much
21:52:03 <s_gmusic> oh, "AC" = advanced class. >.>
21:52:14 <Darkkapow> ranger 4 in twf rogue
21:52:15 <Spaceshot> no, AC = animal companion
21:52:40 <Darkkapow> boon companion at 5th and rogue it up from there
21:52:46 <Darkkapow> seeing you know vivi is banned
21:52:51 <Darkkapow> or you'd just play a vivi over rogue
21:52:52 <Darkkapow> every day
21:52:57 <Steven> i think that AC is sitting at armor class of 36 before buffing
21:53:22 <Spaceshot> why not play an investigator?
21:53:24 <Spaceshot> over rogue
21:53:29 <Spaceshot> or do you just want sneak damage
22:02:41 <s_gmusic> what oracle ability is it that grants CHA to AC?
22:03:16 <Spaceshot> it's cha over dex I believe
22:03:19 <Spaceshot> and it's lore
22:05:13 <Spaceshot> sidestep secret
22:05:14 <Spaceshot> lore
22:05:48 <Spaceshot> Sidestep Secret (Su): Your innate understanding of the
22:05:49 <Spaceshot> universe has granted you preternatural reflexes and
22:05:49 <Spaceshot> the uncanny ability to step out of danger at the very last
22:05:49 <Spaceshot> second. Add your Charisma modifier (instead of your
22:05:49 <Spaceshot> Dexterity modifier) to your Armor Class and all Reflex
22:05:50 <Spaceshot> saving throws. Your armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus
22:05:52 <Spaceshot> applies to your Charisma instead of your Dexterity.
22:06:56 <s_gmusic> yeah, once you told me the Mystery, I found it.
22:07:29 <Spaceshot> ah
22:07:38 <Spaceshot> it's ok, but only if you want to be like a sage character
22:07:50 <s_gmusic> was talking with a friend last week and happened upon an idea: Lore Oracle 2/Paladin (X). CHA to AC and saves.
22:08:16 <s_gmusic> was just now thinking of the opposite, though, of Paladin 2/Oracle X
22:09:22 <Steven> lore, lunar and nature all give cha to AC instead of dex
22:09:31 <Spaceshot> doesn't even need to be oracle 2, second level oracle only gives mystery spell
22:09:32 <Spaceshot> that's about it
22:09:43 <Spaceshot> lunar? what lunar?
22:09:50 <Steven> its a mystery
22:09:56 <Spaceshot> also, what is did you mean about elementalist earlier
22:10:04 <Spaceshot> both elementalist and lunar I know nothing about
22:10:12 <Steven> splat books
22:10:13 <Spaceshot> or even believe they exist
22:10:19 <Spaceshot> PFS legal splat books?
22:10:24 <Steven> yup
22:10:30 <Spaceshot> which books?
22:11:17 <Steven> blood of the moon and people of the sands
22:11:34 <Mekkis> Darkkapow, you're much more diplomatic than I in that case
22:13:42 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing you bought both of them?
22:14:18 <Steven> that would be a safe assumption
22:14:28 <Spaceshot> would it be correct though?
22:14:41 * Steven facepalms
22:15:28 <Steven> i'm going to go watch dr who.
22:15:38 <s_gmusic> and that was a high level derp I just pulled off...
22:16:18 <s_gmusic> went to remove some super glue via the fastest means I know of: fire, since super glue is flammable.
22:16:29 <Spaceshot> smart...
22:16:33 <s_gmusic> it burned long enough to melt the hand of the fig it was holding on.
22:16:40 <s_gmusic> but I got the glue off!
22:16:53 <s_gmusic> so now I get to search out a donor hand. :|
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22:26:29 <Steven> what in fuck what?
22:26:37 <Steven> why would they put this in a scenario.
22:26:51 <s_gmusic> hm?
22:27:38 <Darkkapow> I think I want to play a flowing monk
22:28:38 <s_gmusic> oh? why's that?
22:31:16 <Darkkapow> immediate actions when you get attacked
22:31:24 <Darkkapow> how does that not sound appealing
22:34:07 <s_gmusic> because I have a guy that does that in my Wrath of the Righteous group and it pisses me off because he's so smug about it.
22:34:18 <s_gmusic> >:U
22:37:24 <s_gmusic> the guy who's now missing his left hand: http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/solos/gun-mage-captain-adept
22:38:02 <Spaceshot> at least the gun still works
22:38:16 <Spaceshot> you making him a pisterlo?
22:38:25 <Steven> oh kapow, this creature also has a gaze
22:38:34 <s_gmusic> he already was.
22:39:12 <s_gmusic> part of the issue with that arm being gone is that it includes the cuff, so the only thing there is the elbow.
22:39:48 <s_gmusic> the donor arm I found is female and too thin and small to serve as an adequate replacement.
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22:43:26 <johstas> anyone here?
22:43:27 <s_gmusic> right now, I'm looking at two options: leave it as-is and repaint it OR try to bend the now half-arm down and out of the way
22:43:38 <Steven> nope, nobody is here.
22:43:45 <johstas> :-))
22:43:51 <Steven> we are all just bots who interact with each other in quirky ways.
22:43:56 <johstas> well hello guys
22:44:03 <Spaceshot> very unique bots
22:44:04 <Spaceshot> we
22:44:12 <Spaceshot> we're the start of skynet
22:44:13 <Steven> super awesome unique bots
22:44:18 <johstas> favorite character 4e warforged i presume
22:44:34 <Steven> hell no, i dont play shitty editions
22:44:37 <Spaceshot> 4th ed detected
22:44:41 <Spaceshot> kill all 4th ed
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22:45:07 <s_gmusic> You should rip that off and run with it.
22:45:10 <johstas> i certainly hope i do not interpret your conversation, i was hoping you could give some tips on PFS online play
22:45:20 <johstas> not interested in 4e btw
22:45:34 <Spaceshot> yea we play PFS online here
22:46:02 <Spaceshot> many would agree we started long before it was a thing paizo knew about
22:46:35 <johstas> ok so, i m all new to society play, so first things first: i just registered a character, can i only play 1st lvl scenarios?
22:46:54 <Steven> and pregens
22:47:14 <johstas> but if i play a pregen, my character does not advance right?
22:47:23 <Steven> totes advances
22:47:39 <Spaceshot> it gets the advance when he/she is elegible for the advance
22:47:49 <s_gmusic> you get a cert for the level the pregen played at, then when your real character gets to that level, it's automatically applied.
22:47:57 <johstas> aaa ok so in essence he advances eventually
22:48:01 <Spaceshot> so if you only have a level 1-2 character, and you want to play in a level 3-7 scenario (scenarios have level bands)
22:48:08 <Spaceshot> you'd play a level 4 pregen
22:48:19 <Spaceshot> and you'd get the advancement when he hits level 3
22:48:34 <johstas> got it
22:48:52 <johstas> u guys have a fixed game running?
22:49:09 <Steven> nah broken as fuck.
22:49:10 <johstas> i mean characters with fixed lvls?
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23:08:42 <s_gmusic> well, think I got him in to a decent position. now for priming.
23:09:31 <Steven> connection issues for that person it seems.
23:10:06 <s_gmusic> or attention span
23:21:28 <Spaceshot> heh
23:21:33 <Spaceshot> I really need to get back into painting
23:26:28 <Spaceshot> also, full plate is expensive
23:29:51 <s_gmusic> yup
23:31:05 <Darkkapow> it's not that expensive
23:32:33 <s_gmusic> 1500gp before special materials, masterworking, or enchantments. :|
23:34:46 <s_gmusic> hellknight PrC is allowed, correct?
23:34:56 <Spaceshot> yep
23:35:46 <Spaceshot> and I'm not sure if I'll be going hellknight, or hellknight sinctifier, or what yet with my metal oracle
23:35:55 <Spaceshot> so I don't know if I should buy fullplate or not yet
23:38:43 <s_gmusic> can't find hellknight sanctifier. source?
23:39:27 <Spaceshot> it is from the prestige book
23:39:54 <Spaceshot> http://www.archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Hellknight%20Signifer
23:39:58 <Spaceshot> from Paths of Prestige
23:52:20 <s_gmusic> eh. don't really like either of them, or Prestige classes in general, for Society.
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