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39:22 <Spaceshot_> I have no idea what arcane caster I should start with, or what school if I am playing a wizard
39:26 <Spaceshot_> for my sage
39:58 <Wrothmonk> Could go with the one in the advanced class guide, both wizard and sorcerer.
40:25 <Wrothmonk> I dont think its technically released yet though so the class can change between now and when its actually released.
53:45 <Steven> yes you can play the arcanist
02:00 <Spaceshot_> you can
02:13 <Spaceshot_> but you have to use any rules changes they put in the additional resources page
07:54 <Spaceshot_> I'm trying to think what would be the best class for only a few levels, going to prestige it up
07:56 <Spaceshot_> for sageness
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54:52 <Avatar-> is Kapow around
55:21 <Avatar-> I didn't see yesterday if he still wanted to schedule that game
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12:31 <Steven> yes he did i believe
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56:30 <Avatar-> not sure if my message got through
56:35 <Avatar-> is Kapow in
03:23 <Avatar-> tough crowd
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51:44 <Mekkis> I'm willing to bet that factions will be removed in the mechanical sense by season 7
02:21 <Wrothmonk> I wouldn't be so sure, I'd imagine faction traits will stick around for a while.
04:05 <Mekkis> perhaps.
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07:19 <Damalon01> hi all
07:24 <Mekkis> hi
07:43 <Damalon01> i did my stuff list Mekkis
08:39 <Mekkis> nice
09:06 <Damalon01> are you at busy?
09:25 <Damalon01> lol i was gonna say at work and wchanged my mind
11:27 <Mekkis> I'm not really
11:38 <Mekkis> just having tanks I've been driving destroyed
12:32 <Damalon01> mmmkay
13:00 <Damalon01> if youre ok with it ill PM the list to you
14:24 <Mekkis> ok
42:30 <Spaceshot> this is your "everyone is a convict" campaign right?
43:21 <Mekkis> no
43:34 <Mekkis> and you don't Need to Know
45:35 <Spaceshot> mekkis, and you don't need to be a dick/cunt/annoying
45:37 <Spaceshot> but you still do too
48:35 <Mekkis> that language is inexcusable.
49:19 <Spaceshot> I also believe you consistantly telling me "you don't need to know" whenever I ask something also inexcusable
51:25 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure that the vast majority would agree that calling someone a cunt is much less excusable than operating on a need to know principle.
52:10 <Spaceshot> unless they are of course, acting like a cunt
52:34 <Spaceshot> I do not care to get into semantics or philosphical situations with you
52:39 <Spaceshot> I said what I said, because it's how I feel
52:42 <Mekkis> then stop it.
52:43 <Spaceshot> you can like it or not
52:50 <Mekkis> I think that Kapow put it best.
53:02 <Spaceshot> I am not sure if I was here for that or not
53:14 <Mekkis> you were
53:23 <Spaceshot> refresh my memory then
53:43 <Mekkis> Feb 04 01:21:20 <Darkkapow>     Arrogant and Ignorant people like you don't deserve politeness.
54:03 <Spaceshot> I do agree that works towards you
54:12 <Spaceshot> and that my statement is fair justice with that reasoning
54:24 <Spaceshot> you will obviously disagree
54:26 <Mekkis> your statement calling me a cunt?
54:36 <Mekkis> when is it ever excusable to do that
54:37 <Spaceshot> yes
54:46 <Spaceshot> when you're being cuntlike
55:00 <Mekkis> what do you even mean by that?
55:19 <Spaceshot> are you seriously asking that question?
55:23 <Mekkis> you seem to have a very circular reasoning
55:35 <Mekkis> and it's not justifying your unacceptable language
55:49 <Spaceshot> you see it as circular
55:59 <Spaceshot> that is not my reasoning, only your assumption of such
56:19 <Spaceshot> my reasoning is Need to Know, and you do not Need to Know
56:50 <Mekkis> pretty sure that when you're accusing me of certain behaviour, I definitely do have a need to know
56:55 <Spaceshot> no
56:58 <Spaceshot> you have a want to know
57:08 <Spaceshot> and you believe that your want is sufficient to deem it Need
58:09 <Spaceshot> I have a want of understanding why you consistantly belittle and aggrovate me
58:18 <Spaceshot> but that is also not Need to Know
00:21 <Mekkis> I think you do need to know that that's not what I'm trying to do.
00:53 <Spaceshot> it doesn't matter what you are trying to do, it matters how the recipiant feels about what you are doing towards them
01:20 <Spaceshot> it is the same case how you believe/feel that my description of your current actions is not warrented
02:45 <Mekkis> you argue for the sake of the argument. It's toxic, and makes this channel uncomfortable for everyone. You have never "lost" an argument, instead leading it into various fallacies and semantics, obviously for some form of personal fulfilment. Several other people in this channel have complained about you, and I'm not the first.
03:21 <Spaceshot> I do not, and never have "argued for the sake of arguing"
03:46 <Spaceshot> but to please you, this is done, I'm done with this
03:53 <Mekkis> good. Goodbye then.
04:18 <Spaceshot> I mean about the "arguement"
15:57 <Mekkis> then perhaps you should apologise
30:49 <s_gmusic> mfw I get home and wanna talk pathfinder, but other things are being said http://i.imgur.com/K0Lhlot.jpg
07:12 <Spaceshot> haha
07:17 <Spaceshot> gmusic it's all good
07:24 <Spaceshot> anything specific you wish to discuss/ask?
07:56 <s_gmusic> nope.
08:47 <Spaceshot> quite a vivid pathfinder discussion we're having :P
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11:35 <Philderbeast> lol
11:44 <Philderbeast> time to finish tidying up my papaerwork from last night
11:46 <Avatar> where is kapow
12:26 <s_gmusic> haven't seen him talking yet, avatar.
12:41 <s_gmusic> also: thoughts about focusing on Abjuration?
12:47 <Spaceshot> you ran/played a game last night Philder?
13:10 <Spaceshot> I have yet to try that gmusic
13:19 <Spaceshot> it'll be interesting at the least
13:26 <Avatar> pretty sure focusing on abjuration doesn't work
13:31 <Avatar> what are you going to do, try and be a counterspeller
13:47 <s_gmusic> perhaps.
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13:54 <Avatar> there's better ways
14:03 <Philderbeast> i played tghe many fortunes of grandmaster torch
14:16 <s_gmusic> I've never really played a straight-up caster before. I also have access to Thassilonian Magic rules.
14:34 <Avatar> it's kind of hard to play a caster wrong
14:41 <Avatar> as far as build is concerned
14:49 <Avatar> just so long as you follow a few basics
15:02 <Avatar> specialising in a support school is probably one of the don't-dp's
15:03 <Spaceshot> it is hard however to play an effective wizard that isn't the norm
15:05 <Avatar> do's
16:03 <Spaceshot> abjuration is the anti-mage
16:18 <s_gmusic> there's much I want to read about before sticking with Abjuration, but I already have a friend that's an evocationist Thassilonian, so I don't want to do that.
16:45 <Spaceshot> just curiously, how do you get access to thassilonian magic?
17:03 <s_gmusic> there's a season 4 cert that grants it.
17:25 <s_gmusic> and it's not a special, either, but it was difficult as balls. :|
17:52 <Spaceshot> high level?
18:12 <s_gmusic> yup
18:17 <Spaceshot> thought as much
18:33 <Spaceshot> I've been tempted by it, but meh
18:36 <Spaceshot> if it happens it happens
19:47 <Spaceshot> oh right, Thassilonian Abjuration is considered "hard mode" because of no evocation, and to a lesser extent (more higher level problem) no necromancy
20:13 <s_gmusic> where'd you hear that?
20:20 <Spaceshot> the hard mode thing?
20:24 <s_gmusic> ya
21:01 <Spaceshot> here and there, well just putting evocation as your forbidden school, either 3.5 wise (which is same as thassilonian, aka no casting those spells ever), or pathfinder wise
21:17 <Spaceshot> is harder than your normal wizard, because you can't just revert to blast them till they're dead
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21:49 <Spaceshot> like how people say druid without an AC is harder than normal
22:01 <Spaceshot> because that AC can easily become the equiv, or even better than, another PC
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24:07 <Avatar> mib_kb5tnz: change your nickname by saying /nick newnickname
24:08 <Mekkis> Philderbeast, now there's another scenario you've played that I haven't
24:34 <Philderbeast>  what else i have i played that you havent?
24:40 <Mekkis> not sure
24:45 <Mekkis> possibly confirmation?
24:49 <Mekkis> First Steps 1?
24:56 <Philderbeast> yep both of those
25:52 <Philderbeast> yea just those 3
26:05 <Mekkis> how did it go?
26:06 <Philderbeast> i recommend the many fortunes of grand master torch very fun scenario
26:23 <Philderbeast> and a good difficulty level
27:30 <Mekkis> yeah, but how did it go?
27:48 <s_gmusic> ..... if I'm reading this correctly, if I leave a few spell slots open of each spell level I can cast, I can counterspell anything. o-0
27:57 <Mekkis> incorrect.
28:07 <Avatar> you need to prepare what they're casting
28:12 <Philderbeast> it went well, only got 1pa but otherwise ran well
28:15 <Avatar> as in, have prepared what they're casting
28:24 <Mekkis> the spell you use to counterspell must be have the same target.
28:38 <Mekkis> (meaning that you can't counterspell a spell with a range of Personal)
29:03 <Avatar> you can't counterspell as an immediate action either can you
29:04 <Mekkis> (and it's unlikely that you'll be able to counterspell a spell with a range of touch)
29:08 <Mekkis> no, you can't
29:09 <Avatar> you need to ready an action to counterspell
29:16 <s_gmusic> "If you are able to cast the same spell and you have it prepared (or have a slot of the appropriate level available), you cast it, creating a counterspell effect." Looking at the parentheses.
29:20 <Avatar> I don't know how you can ever do that, except with dispel magic
29:22 <Mekkis> I think there's some 15th level feat that lets you
29:44 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, that's referring to a spontaneous caster
30:44 <s_gmusic> really? Hm...
31:14 <Mekkis> a counterspell specialised abjurer can counterspell 1/day as an immediate action at 6th level
32:00 <Mekkis> sorry, they don't need to have the same target.
32:07 <Mekkis> the target must just be 'within range'
32:40 <Mekkis> still, it's impossible to counterspell a Personal spell, without using Dispel Magic
34:03 <Mekkis> Here's a rule that I doubt any of you knew existed:
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34:09 <Mekkis> "If one abjuration spell is active within 10 feet of another for 24 hours or more, the magical fields interfere with each other and create barely visible energy fluctuations. The DC to find such spells with the Perception skill drops by 4."
35:02 <s_gmusic> yeah, I thought that was cool.
35:28 <Avatar> I didn't know about that because that never happens
36:01 <Mekkis> (and if this is for your Thassalonian wizard, be mindful of the fact that subschools cannot be taken with Thassalonian specialist)
36:38 <s_gmusic> yeah, that's what I was thinking already, which is why I never mentioned the Counterspell subschool.
37:12 <Mekkis> Unless your GM is Ashley :S
37:43 <s_gmusic> I know counterspelling isn't all there is to Abjuration, but it seems like it would be a good part of playing that focus. I just have to work out the best way to go about it.
37:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you have an idea of what tier you'll be running tomorrow?
38:02 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, I know how I'd go about it....
39:06 <s_gmusic> oh?
39:29 <s_gmusic> there's much I don't know about casting, so some guidance would be nice.
39:50 <Mekkis> I'm still divided on whether I'd go Wizard or sorcerer, but I'd probably go sorcerer
40:11 <Mekkis> take the myriad traits to increase the caster level of your Dispel Magic to the roof
40:29 <Mekkis> and just spend your turns readying to counter, using Dispel Magic if required
41:21 <Mekkis> it would probably work well...
41:33 <Mekkis> !search caster level check
41:36 <diebot> Mekkis, 16 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
43:53 <Mekkis> take Pipes Of Dissolution to increase your dispel checks
46:13 <Mekkis> it would probably work well without being overpowered
47:19 <s_gmusic> those Pipes don't seem useful except to pass off to the Bard to play for me to get the bonus.
47:42 <Mekkis> move action to maintain....
48:24 <Avatar> Mekkis: 3-4 by the look of it
48:31 <Mekkis> cool
48:47 <Avatar> I guess arkwright might not show up
49:15 <s_gmusic> "Maintaining the performance is challenging, requiring a move action and a new Perform check each round, with the DC increasing by +1 for each round the instrument is played. " That reads as if you have to both move and make the perform check each round
49:22 <Avatar> er, it's not impossible to play 6-7 actually
49:34 <Avatar> I didn't realise we had one player with a 3 only and one player with 7s only
53:29 <Mekkis> I think I'd rather play a 3 or 4
55:16 <Spaceshot> just remember Abjuration isn't just counterspelling, but protection magic
56:35 <s_gmusic> yeah, but I'm learning one thing at a time: I'd like to be clear on counterspelling rules first.
57:24 <Spaceshot> yea those rules are quite convoluted
58:02 <s_gmusic> "Learn the difficult things first, and everything else will follow." Not sure where I heard that.
58:03 <s_gmusic> >.>
58:17 <Spaceshot> or if it makes sense in roleplaying rules
58:20 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, I've only seen counterspelling used successfully once.
58:35 <Mekkis> I've never seen it being used in a rules-correct manner
59:00 <Spaceshot> counterspelling works better when you get dispel magic
59:16 <Mekkis> you've seen it used?
59:25 <Spaceshot> I've tried using it
59:31 <Spaceshot> successfully? I don't remember it being so
59:48 <Mekkis> then how do you know that it works better?
00:10 <Spaceshot> because dispel magic means you don't require the exact spell, or the anti-spell to counter?
00:12 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, if I were you, I'd avoid the Thassalonian specialist
00:21 <Spaceshot> that inherently suggests it works better
00:47 <Mekkis> but it requires a successful caster level check, which will generally fail 60% of the time.
00:53 <Mekkis> in theory...
01:07 <Spaceshot> is the caster level check vs the DC of the spell?
01:19 <Mekkis> no, it's vs 11+opponent's caster level
01:31 <Spaceshot> 11?
01:41 <Mekkis> given that opposing spellcaster is likely to be 2 levels higher than you, it's got a low chance of success
01:42 <Mekkis> yes
01:43 <Spaceshot> that is an odd starting point for pathfinder/d20
01:47 <Mekkis> !spell dispel magic
01:50 <diebot> Mekkis, DISPEL MAGIC abjuration ([]) bard 3, cleric 3, druid 4, paladin 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 3, witch 3, inquisitor 3, antipala, magus 3 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one spellcaster, creature, or object Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
01:50 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/dispel_magic.html
01:58 <Spaceshot> I don't discredit it, just it's odd
02:38 <Mekkis> the reason for it is because you make the check when you equal the target number
04:12 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, the blanket restriction against opposition schools makes filling holes quite a burden
05:28 <s_gmusic> yeah. because of that, I went looking for easy ways to boost UMD. turns out, there's a trait in Ultimate Campaign that allows you to use your INT for UMD instead of CHA
06:20 <s_gmusic> !trait Pragmatic Activator
06:27 <s_gmusic> ....and I did it wrong. xD
06:37 <Mekkis> Haven't put traits in yet
07:03 <s_gmusic> well, that would do it, too. heh.
07:21 <Mekkis> scrolls are no substitute for spells
07:53 <s_gmusic> thinking more about wands instead of scrolls. 
08:22 <Mekkis> wands are worse
08:32 <s_gmusic> due to cost?
09:05 <Mekkis> yeah
10:00 <s_gmusic> makes sense
10:03 <Spaceshot> they're both bad if you are wanting offensive spells in wands or scrolls
10:10 <Spaceshot> since the DC is always minimum to cast
11:46 <Mekkis> and caster level is minimum too
11:56 <Spaceshot> that too
11:57 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, I'm not saying it's impossible
12:04 <Spaceshot> so it's easy to counter scrolls/wands though
12:09 <Avatar> s_gmusic: are you fucking joking?
12:12 <Avatar> int for UMD?
12:37 <s_gmusic> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/pragmatic-activator
12:37 <Mekkis> I'm just saying that, for someone who hasn't played many casters, limiting your spells like that is probably not worth what you get from Thassilonian specialist
12:41 <s_gmusic> tots legit
13:02 <Spaceshot> is it PFS legal?
13:19 <s_gmusic> so back to my original plan then, mekkis: universalist wizard to learn with.
13:32 <s_gmusic>  Traits: all traits listed on pages 51-64 are legal for play except corpse cannibal, hedge magician, natural-born leader, rich parents, and unblemished barrel.
13:34 <Mekkis> Not necessarily universalist
13:47 <Mekkis> just one that has access to all the spells
13:49 <Avatar> certainly is legal
13:59 <Spaceshot> well then, that is quite interesting
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18:43 <Avatar> I might have to get my alchemist that extra trait boon
20:20 <Spaceshot> oh right, your bomber
20:24 <Avatar> man that trait boosts a low cha/high int character's UMD by 7 ranks
20:34 <Avatar> 7!
20:40 <Avatar> who needs skill focus
20:59 <Spaceshot> tis enough for a wizard to start effectively using cure light/mod wands
21:12 <Avatar> trying to think if I have any other high int characters
21:34 <Avatar> don't think Snickers will need it
23:08 <Spaceshot> because still dead?
23:22 <Avatar> she can't be still dead
23:31 <Avatar> I'll sell some of her stuff if need be
23:41 <Spaceshot> I'll refraise it, still undecided of her living status?
23:41 <Avatar> but I am pretty sure she is carrying more money than I thought
24:01 <Avatar> I haven't done a full audit yet
24:08 <s_gmusic> guess what I just found? a fig I was supposed to paint and return to the person tomorrow. :|
24:17 <Mekkis> Snickers can cast CLW, right?
24:24 <Avatar> yeah of course she's a witch
24:54 <Avatar> Snickers is actually a very decent looking witch who didn't dump her cha, so that trait would be much less valuable
25:22 <Avatar> my alchemist is as ugly as my retrainable wizard
25:52 <Avatar> and quite frankly needs something to do when he runs out of bombs
26:02 <Avatar> or when his bombs are rendered useless
26:05 <Mekkis> does he run out of bombs?
26:19 <Avatar> I have before
26:23 <Avatar> he has 11/day
26:33 <Avatar> and he's only level 5
26:48 <Avatar> I keep planning to get extra bombs but I need the feats
26:50 <Spaceshot> 11/day? if it's your general combat action
26:53 <Spaceshot> that doesn't seem like enough
27:06 <Avatar> well they are pretty good bombs
27:07 <Spaceshot> do you ever pop your mutagen?
27:13 <Avatar> for what
27:21 <Spaceshot> str or dex, melee or ranged
27:29 <Avatar> my alternate weapon is a crossbow
27:34 <Spaceshot> race?
27:36 <Avatar> which I was forced to use, but it's pretty shit
27:39 <Avatar> human
27:42 <Avatar> ofc
29:13 <Avatar> shit if I swap out magical lineage for dangerously curious, I can boost my UMD up to 11
29:29 <Avatar> but, magical lineage :(
29:30 <Spaceshot> you can't swap/retrain traits
29:36 <Avatar> this is a level 1 retrain
29:40 <Spaceshot> oh
29:44 <Spaceshot> new character?
29:52 <Avatar> sort of not really
29:57 <Spaceshot> reroll?
30:03 <Avatar> he's got some GM credit on him
30:08 <Spaceshot> ah
30:11 <Spaceshot> unmade character XD
30:19 <Avatar> he's made, ready to play level 2
30:23 <Spaceshot> nice nice
30:31 <Spaceshot> I'm thinking of making my GMbaby a bloatmage
30:33 <Avatar> all that first steps credit going to good use
30:40 <Spaceshot> playble at 2 but I'd probably wait till 3
31:02 <Spaceshot> I don't exactly know why they dropped first steps 2 and 3
31:37 <Mekkis> They introduced faction leaders that don't exist anymore; and FS2 wasn't particularly good
31:41 <Avatar> they were a bit of a pain to run after 10 goes
31:51 <Avatar> I liked FS2
31:59 <Mekkis> the problem there is running them ten times
31:59 <Avatar> bit hard in parts
32:04 <Spaceshot> never played fs2
32:09 <Spaceshot> only one of each 1 and 3
32:27 <s_gmusic> I thought it would have been easier and better if they'd just rolled them into a single Module for 3xp/4pp
32:30 <Avatar> not for lack of games running
32:47 <Spaceshot> probably gmusic, if they were all intertwined
32:50 <Avatar> if it were rolled into a module I would not run it
32:54 <Mekkis> run anything ten times and it's likely to get monotonous
32:58 <Avatar> bloody modules
33:02 <Spaceshot> which I'm not exactly sure about fs2, but fs3 didn't seem like it fit with fs1
33:10 <Avatar> and what's that 4pp about anyway
33:17 <Spaceshot> it's the average
33:20 <Mekkis> it's the expected amount
33:22 <Avatar> it is a joke
33:23 <Spaceshot> you aren't meant to get 2pp every scenario
33:30 <Avatar> you don't even get a chance !
33:39 <Spaceshot> you get more than 1pp for each scenario
33:40 <Avatar> scenarios you do
33:42 <Mekkis> 4pp isn't my issue with modules
33:53 <Avatar> how long they take to run is a problem
34:04 <Spaceshot> I like doing a whole mod in one day
34:16 <Avatar> it's just hard to get people back together
34:18 <Spaceshot> was good at unicon
34:34 <Spaceshot> even if it was with Matt Goodalls bullshit summoner
34:47 <s_gmusic> .../
34:49 <s_gmusic> ?
34:56 <Avatar> what about his summoner
35:05 <Spaceshot> +27 to perception
35:11 <Spaceshot> with an OP quadroped
35:15 <Spaceshot> at level 4 or 5
35:33 <Avatar> I didn't realise how many traits ultimate campaign has
35:49 <Avatar> good ones too by the look of it
35:54 <Mekkis> my issue with modules is that Campaign Leadership seems to think that they're a reasonable substitute for scenarios
36:34 <Spaceshot> for people who don't wish to milk scenarios for all they're worth
36:56 <Mekkis> for people who play PFS for the convenience that scenarios offer.
36:57 <Avatar> trying to get 100% is hardly milking
37:35 <Mekkis> I don't care about the PA distribution
38:00 <Avatar> I do
38:09 <Avatar> 6 pp vs 4 pp
38:14 <Avatar> very significant, especially over many modules
39:09 <Spaceshot> I've played 2 modules with Ava, and I'm not complaining
50:16 <Philderbeast> only 6PP if you get all the secondarys
50:28 <Philderbeast> it could be 3 as well... por possibly 0
54:06 <Damalon01> trudat Philderbeast, whereas modules are a gaurenteed 4... if you complete it
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00:07 <Avatar> just so you know tomorrow I am having steak for dinner, so anyone who is playing had better watch out !
00:34 <Philderbeast> getting a tase for blood :P
00:50 <Avatar> just watch out
01:47 <Philderbeast> im not playing unfortunatly... im out for blood in my home game
01:52 <Philderbeast> i have a character i need to kill :P
01:57 <Avatar> heaps of good alchemist traits in UCa
03:49 <Philderbeast> UCa is a great book IMO
04:49 <Avatar> I've only used it for retraining 
04:52 <Avatar> what else is good in it
05:15 <Philderbeast> i like a lot of the background stuff in it for when im out of ideas
05:34 <Philderbeast> you can make a really nice random background from it
05:41 <Avatar> nothing I think
07:13 <Mekkis> I might need to pull out of tomorrow's game: my flatmate needs a lift to the airport. Or can you accommodate, Avatar 
07:14 <Mekkis> ?
07:27 <Avatar> not with 5 others players in
07:53 <Avatar> how long will you be away for?
08:10 <Avatar> surely less than an hour?
08:36 <Mekkis> about 25 to 30 minutes
08:58 <Avatar> you can catch up
09:12 <Avatar> do you have a token for roll20
09:29 <Mekkis> ummm... no?
09:42 <Avatar> do you know what class you're bringing in
10:02 <Mekkis> either Red Mantis Assassin or Businessman
10:15 <Avatar> levels?
10:18 <Mekkis> 3 or 4
10:21 <Damalon01> so evil either way Mekkis?
10:43 <Avatar> what's your light source
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11:12 <Mekkis> depends on class: The Businessman has Darkvision 30' (and no vision beyond 30')
11:32 <Avatar> I think I might need to see these character sheets
11:35 <Mekkis> the assassin has Dancing Lights, iirc
11:43 <Mekkis> but of course
13:43 <Damalon01> why doesnt anyone ever ask to see my sheets? :P
13:58 <Philderbeast> nbecause i havent gmed for you yst?
14:09 <Damalon01> hehehee
14:26 <Philderbeast> i ask for all char sheets by default....
14:31 <Avatar> because you usually don't tell me you're playing a businessman
15:15 <Damalon01> thats true, i cant pull off playing that sort of evil. Only lawyers and real estate agents are more evil.
15:45 <Mekkis> Damalon01, he's a good businessman. He pays his employees fifty times the going rate!
15:55 <Damalon01> politicians are slightly less evil than business men
16:15 <Philderbeast> i dont know about that.....
16:27 <Damalon01> hehehe! and all he asks for is their souls right Mekkis?
16:34 <Mekkis> not at all!
16:52 <Damalon01> :P
16:54 <Mekkis> he believes that this will boost the economy
17:08 <Mekkis> and make everything better for everyone
17:17 <Mekkis> and make Andoran the economic powerhouse it should be
17:50 <Mekkis> That being said, I do need to buy stuff for him
18:14 <Mekkis> he has a metric fuckton of money
23:56 <Spaceshot> Avatar, he doesn't only have a businessman, he has a banned PrC (or at least he names/signifies his character with a banned PrC)
24:44 <Avatar> what banned prc
25:25 <Spaceshot> red mantis assassin
25:31 <Spaceshot> it's evil
26:11 <Avatar> I expect mekkis is just being colourful
26:50 <Spaceshot> I know, but I'd see it as as much concern as just "business man"
31:08 <Mekkis> Damalon01, where do Used Car Salesmen go on your scale?
33:37 <Damalon01> havent reallt thought about them but Ive never bought a car so they are an unknown Evil to me
34:01 <Damalon01> really
35:05 <Damalon01> therefore i think ill classify 'used car salesmen' as the Cthulhu mythos style evil of my scale of evil
35:09 <Mekkis> on that scale, where does your WotW character sit?
35:25 <s_gmusic> "WotW" ??
35:35 <Mekkis> Way of the Wicked
35:40 <Damalon01> hmmm about number 6 or 7
35:53 <Mekkis> with businessmen at 9 and politicians at 8
35:55 <Mekkis> ?
35:55 <Damalon01> im totally making this up by the way :P
36:19 <Damalon01> im going in descending order with the most evil being number 1
36:36 <Philderbeast> so whats 1
37:16 <Damalon01> um i think we are putting way to much thought into this :P
37:27 <s_gmusic> heh
37:33 <Spaceshot> something to talk about I guess :P
37:38 <Damalon01> true
38:31 <Spaceshot> though, I've seen NE to do more good that LG at time
38:48 <Avatar> Damalon01: you got a preference for who to play tomorrow?
39:15 <Damalon01> I was gonna play my Sorcerer, Narcizia. whis is 1 xp from level 5.
39:30 <Damalon01> who is
39:51 <Spaceshot> avatar, how many players are up for playing so far?
39:56 <Damalon01> do you still have the pic?
40:00 <Avatar> 6
40:07 <Spaceshot> mmk, just curious
40:10 <Avatar> all reliable I think
40:18 <Avatar> er, what was the filename
40:41 <Damalon01> i modified it so ill just send ya a freshy
40:55 <Avatar> send it now if you can
41:03 <Avatar> and let me know what light you've got
41:03 <Damalon01> pay attention to skype for a sec kay?
42:30 <Spaceshot> you're using the reactive lighting?
42:42 <Damalon01> dynamic lighting!
42:47 <Damalon01> its cewl
42:52 <Spaceshot> reactive/dynamic
42:59 <Damalon01> :)
43:03 <Spaceshot> basically the same thing in this context
43:32 <Avatar> yeah dynamic lighting is good
43:45 <Spaceshot> does it take ages to set up though?
43:53 <Avatar> it does take more time
43:58 <Avatar> you have to draw in all the walls and doors
44:33 <Spaceshot> I see
44:42 <Spaceshot> so some scenarios would be easier than others
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45:46 <Steven> yo
46:09 <Spaceshot> sup?
46:25 <Steven> migraine
46:29 <Steven> sup with you
46:36 <Avatar> yeah we be goblins would've been easy to set up for example
46:59 <Avatar> I didn't use the free version method in that one but it wouldn't have been hard to set up
47:10 <Damalon01> yo Steven i finished Banner Saga
47:18 <Avatar> polygon revealing is probably harder to set up
47:20 <Steven> cool
47:54 <Spaceshot> and I am still not sure if I'll be GMing on sunday or not
48:19 <Avatar> why aren't people signing up to your games
48:51 <Avatar> wait a sec, they are
48:52 <Avatar> you have 4 players
49:03 <Avatar> what are you on about
49:24 <Avatar> oh wait, that was last week
49:28 <Spaceshot> that was
49:38 <Avatar> why isn't your game on warhorn
50:04 <Spaceshot> because the facebook group seems to be the place to start and then up on warhorn it goes
50:10 <Spaceshot> + I don't have rights to add to warhorn
50:16 <Avatar> that is wrong
50:26 <Avatar> tell andrei or stephen what game you want to run and they'll put it up
50:29 <Spaceshot> I know it's wrong, but it's what has been happening so far
50:30 <Avatar> and then people will sign up 
50:51 <Avatar> some people will just want to click and play
50:59 <Avatar> not discuss it in a commitee
51:00 <Spaceshot> true true
56:29 <Steven> yeah fuck those people they suck.
59:31 <Avatar> song of the sea witch is a good scenario
59:54 <Steven> yeah fun times.
59:55 <Spaceshot> it is
00:12 <Spaceshot> and I'm surprised me and brunius, who were both playing out of tier characters, in the 6-7, survived
00:21 <Spaceshot> though I do believe I was bobbing a bit
00:32 <Avatar> found a way to have not-square tokens, but it's a bit messy
00:35 <Spaceshot> and I think my 10fire resistance helped me
01:23 <Steven> im supposed to make a new character, my character in dragons demand died
01:25 <Steven> horribly
01:42 <Damalon01> howd ya die Steven?
01:47 <Brunius> what
01:50 <Brunius> which one was that, Spaceshot 
02:13 <Spaceshot> when we were at the table with 4 other confident people that said "yea we can run through it 6-7"
02:20 <Spaceshot> at conquest 2012
02:26 <Steven> wraith
02:35 <Spaceshot> you were playing Obama, either 3 or 4
02:37 <Damalon01> ah
02:38 <Spaceshot> and I Ava, level 3
02:43 <Brunius>  hmmm
02:50 <Brunius> I'll see if I can go find the chron sheet
02:55 <Mekkis> Tanks, Brunius?
02:55 <Spaceshot> hehe
03:04 <Brunius> I actually have tanks installed now
03:10 <Avatar> if you had a dedicated healer you usually could uptier safely
03:10 <Mekkis> !!
03:12 <Brunius> so normally I would take you up on this
03:14 <Spaceshot> you reformatted/got a new comp brun?
03:20 <Brunius> but I have to go do physics
03:26 <Spaceshot> Avatar, I was the dedicated healer
03:27 <Spaceshot> at level 3
03:28 <Brunius> Spaceshot, had to reformat the hard drive
03:31 <Steven> i think our group is pretty much going evil.
03:32 <Avatar> yeah so you were fine
03:35 <Mekkis> I know right
03:36 <Spaceshot> and brunius was off healer
03:45 <Mekkis> Penetration is a factor of what, Brunius?
03:50 <Steven> prolly gonna turn against the town.
03:59 <Avatar> don't answer that brunius, it's a trick question
04:28 <Spaceshot> is the answer "the D"?
04:40 <Steven> I'll allow it.
04:51 <Spaceshot> thanks trebeck
05:26 <Brunius> just saw the chronicle sheet
05:30 <Brunius> I vageuly remember it
05:34 <Mekkis> Shell velocity, Shell size, shell material, angle of impact, armour material, armour thickness, shell type, armour type,, What else?
05:35 <Brunius> to be precise I went (OH, THAT ONE)
05:41 <Spaceshot> haha
06:07 <Spaceshot> the end of the scenario was about 5 miniutes of back and forth because of faction mission/s
06:18 <Brunius> armour density comes under type?
07:00 <Damalon01> y'know in the past when youve said 'Brunius, Tanks?' i thought you wanted him to come tank for you in some RPG type thingy. Its weird to learn you actually mean tanks...
07:20 <Steven> damalon you so cray cray
07:41 <Mekkis> comes under armour material
07:46 <Damalon01> i r a little Cray cray
08:32 <Brunius> I can't think of anything else that would affect pen
08:40 <Steven> yeah, the decision has come down, in our dragons demand game.... gonna turn against the town and side with the dragon.
09:52 <Damalon01> hehehe
10:16 <Steven> my character was pretty much the only thing keeping people from going full evil.
10:28 <Steven> and she died.
10:43 <Steven> so.... time to go NE up in this bitch!
12:31 <Mekkis> Brunius, any idea of Serpent's Skull scheduling?
12:43 <Brunius> whenever I get off my lazy ass and schedule it, probably
12:54 <Brunius> how's the 15th looking
13:01 <Steven> at a con.
13:18 <Brunius> 22nd, 23rd?
16:56 <Steven> im open.
17:41 <Mekkis> 23rd is better
24:59 <Avatar> anyone have any idea why some text that should be box text isn't box text
26:26 <Brunius> sometimes they miss it for no apparent reason
27:52 <Brunius> Avatar, chuck SS down for the 23rd, noon
28:14 <Brunius> and with that, I'm off to pretend I know how to do physics
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28:22 <Steven> why pretend?
28:33 <Steven> wouldnt it be faster to just learn how to do physics?
28:38 <Brunius> shut up steven
28:57 <Steven> dont hate.
29:07 <Avatar> make love, not war
30:26 <Avatar> anyone got an extra trait boon
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32:14 <Steven> yup
35:53 <s_gmusic> has any painters tried using spray paint on top of an acrylic base?
36:20 <Mekkis> never used acrylic bases
36:30 <Mekkis> been using aluminium
37:21 <s_gmusic> I meant on top of an painted miniature
37:58 <s_gmusic> wow I can't english tonight. :\
38:25 <Avatar> no acrylic bases, only jpg's
50:05 <Spaceshot> Brunius, wouldn't angle also affect penetration?
50:43 <Mekkis> it does, yes
50:58 <Mekkis> one other thing we've missed is the shape of the shell
51:53 <Spaceshot> and weight/force of the shell
59:47 <Spaceshot> time to brush up on song of the sea witch
19:01 <Brunius> Why would you spray over an already painted mini
21:58 <Spaceshot> because people don't realise they can strip a mini, even plastic ones
22:37 <s_gmusic> nope.
23:37 <s_gmusic> guy wanted this bones mini painted black, and the regular black paint seems unusually thin, so I painted another color on as a base. then, it was either paint on the regular paint or use black spray paint. 
36:23 <Steven> went and took a little nap
36:30 <Steven> feel a lot better.
37:14 <s_gmusic> wb
42:03 <Steven> thinking were-tiger sorcerer
43:58 <Steven> for my new character
44:36 <Steven> fucking annoying that my character got killed by a death effect.
44:49 <Steven> otherwise i could have gotten raised.
45:04 <Spaceshot> no true ressurection available?
45:19 <Steven> no 10k diamonds.
45:23 <Spaceshot> ah
46:03 <Steven> i keep flip flopping between arcane and divine 
46:09 <Steven> caster
46:18 <Steven> !rand arcane divine
46:33 <Steven> !rng arcane divine
46:34 <diebot> Steven, arcane
46:40 <Steven> choice made
48:19 <Steven> !rng bard, sorc, wizard, magus, summoner, witch
48:19 <diebot> Steven, summoner,
48:35 <Steven> fuck... i didnt really want to put it on the list either
51:37 <s_gmusic> done painting.
51:47 <s_gmusic> it's official: I don't like painting black. :|
52:07 <Steven> heh
52:18 <Steven> !rng bard, sorc, wizard, magus, witch
52:18 <diebot> Steven, magus,
52:26 <Steven> i veto'd the summoner
55:53 <Steven> !throw 1d4
55:54 <diebot> Steven, 1d4: [1d4=4] 4
20:26 <Spaceshot> invasion block drafting was so weird
20:30 <Spaceshot> and I was so out of whack
21:20 <Steven> i liked invasion
21:26 <Steven> skill based play baby
21:41 <Spaceshot> I did too (started with it back in the day)
21:50 <Spaceshot> but fuck, that power level and average mana cost is weird
21:59 <Spaceshot> compared to the last few years
23:26 <Steven> well magic is now more of a formula and if you have the best cards.
25:05 <Spaceshot> mmm
25:15 <Spaceshot> I think the formula started to appear kamigawa
25:23 <Spaceshot> but didn't really work the best till late rav
29:24 <Steven> dont like this character.
29:27 <Steven> building a new one.
02:41 <Steven> !throw 5d6
02:41 <diebot> Steven, 5d6: [5d6=6,3,5,5,4] 23
03:52 <Spaceshot> domain is harder to play than I thought
04:00 <Spaceshot> it's not as easy as alara block
04:15 <Spaceshot> where you would hard go 5C in packs 1 and 2
04:22 <Spaceshot> and take all the juicy cards in pack 3
06:01 <Darkkapow> lorwynn, shadowmoor through alara
06:05 <Darkkapow> best time in magic for me
06:17 <Darkkapow> conflux
06:26 <Darkkapow> shards and reborn
06:37 <Darkkapow> eveningtide kind of sucked
06:49 <Darkkapow> although doing the time spiral block draft
06:52 <Darkkapow> that was hella fun
06:56 <Spaceshot> best times of magic for me were invasion through to scorged
06:58 <Darkkapow> miss those sort of cards
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07:11 <Spaceshot> even though I didn't really enjoy much of it's constructed
07:21 <Spaceshot> I did however, enjoy the very little neckdecking
07:37 <Steven> i liked mirroden and then lorwynn
07:37 <Spaceshot> and there were 1 or 2 main decks, but most people played rogue
08:02 <Steven> but only when playing sealed
08:04 <Steven> or draft
08:30 <Darkkapow> scars was fun too
08:36 <Steven> constructed i liked innistrad
08:46 <Darkkapow> innistrad was just op XP
08:54 <Steven> yeah
08:58 <Spaceshot> stopped at eldrazi pre-release
09:03 <Steven> but you could do stupid things with it
09:18 <Steven> like i built some real left field decks and just decimated people with em.
09:46 <Spaceshot> I got into nats (the one where M10 was released) via a rogue deck
10:55 <Darkkapow> I want all my shinobi back :P
11:08 <Darkkapow> give me ninjutsu and bushido rat deck anyway
11:09 <Steven> my favorite pauper deck was powered out of scars.
11:21 <Spaceshot> the poison deck?
11:24 <Steven> no
11:27 <Steven> that was boring
11:53 <Darkkapow> mine was naya during shards :D
11:57 <Steven> the engine was basically mortis dogs and flings/artillerize
12:02 <Darkkapow> manamorphose op!
12:32 <Steven> swing with mortis dogs
12:43 <Steven> it gets +2/0
12:48 <Steven> becoming a 4/2
13:05 <Steven> if they block fling/artilarize
13:16 <Steven> so they take 4 from it going to graveyard
13:22 <Steven> then take 4 from the fling
14:20 <Steven> and if they didnt block, 4 damage, 4 sac, 4/5 from fling.
14:29 <Steven> or artilarize
14:37 <Steven> so 12/13 damage.
14:44 <Steven> was pretty awesome little deck.
16:14 <Steven> if i had any buff spell the game was over.
17:29 <Steven> like vampires bite
17:32 <Steven> +3/0
17:37 <Steven> one black mana
17:54 <Steven> they block, i hit it with vamp bite
17:59 <Steven> 7/2
18:07 <Steven> sac 14 damage
18:44 <Steven> i remember being this guy named nate with it... he was literally on the verge of table flipping
20:07 <Steven> cause i won on turn 5 back to back off of mortis dog, vamp bite, fling cause he didnt block.
20:31 <Steven> just boom 21 damage... dead.
20:41 <Steven> and so he started telling me how terrible my deck was
21:13 <Steven> "You mad bro?"  
21:32 <Steven> being=beating
22:39 <Spaceshot> yea I guessed htat
22:41 <Spaceshot> that*
22:59 <Spaceshot> I love how people are like "your deck is shit"
23:05 <Spaceshot> and you're like "then how did I win?"
23:08 <Spaceshot> and they get so angry
23:18 <Steven> everyone loves beating him because he trash talks your deck the entire time you're playing with him.
23:37 <Spaceshot> yea I've known them in my days
23:48 <Steven> and it just feels so wonderful when you stomp the shit out of them.
24:19 <Darkkapow> my decks for magic are pretty terrible
24:24 <Spaceshot> same
24:31 <Steven> i beat him one time with this extended EOT deck
24:40 <Steven> that had a bunch of 1/1 hexproof guys in it.
24:41 <Darkkapow> anything that has rng that I don't physically touch just hates me
24:44 <Spaceshot> except for a couple cases (which is over 10 years) I've played rogue decks
24:47 <Darkkapow> like shuffling a deck doesn't count
24:51 <Darkkapow> if I roll a dice
24:58 <Darkkapow> I 80% of the time roll hot
25:12 <Darkkapow> cards random number generators
25:15 <Darkkapow> normally hate me
25:21 <Darkkapow> except when steven is around
25:25 <Darkkapow> !vchargen
25:25 <diebot> Darkkapow, 12(2,4,3,5), 13(5,3,5,2), 12(5,6,1,1), 15(1,5,4,6), 15(5,6,4,4), 17(5,6,6,3)
25:32 <Spaceshot> that is good
25:36 <Spaceshot> wait...
25:40 <Spaceshot> no, no it's good
25:46 <Darkkapow> XP
25:53 <Darkkapow> inb4 steven hates me more XP
26:01 <Spaceshot> !vchargen
26:01 <diebot> Spaceshot, 11(3,2,5,3), 12(3,5,2,4), 11(6,1,1,4), 8(2,5,1,1), 10(2,5,1,3), 9(1,2,4,3)
26:04 <Spaceshot> probably
26:42 <Steven> and first game, first turn, little slippery bogle
26:52 <Steven> second turn, land attack slippery bogle
27:12 <Steven> second turn, land attack slipper boggle
27:18 <Steven> third turn even
27:30 <Steven> next turn he plays a 2/2 guy
27:32 <Darkkapow> steeven that stat block was pretty impressive
27:39 <Darkkapow> spaceshot should join serpent skull
27:54 <Steven> and i swing in
27:57 <Spaceshot> when and what is serpent skull?
28:11 <Steven> he says okay i block.... no wait nevermind you can get your ONE damage
28:15 <Steven> and im like okay cool
28:33 <Steven> slam down like 4 buff spells
28:39 <Steven> 17 damage
28:45 <Steven> game 2
28:56 <Steven> Wait... what? that deck i so fucking horrible
29:04 <Steven> is so*
31:24 <Steven> game 2 he actually blocks my bogle, i throw down two spells that cascade into two +4/2 trample buff
31:41 <Steven> so my 1/1 goes to a 10/5 trample
31:46 <Steven> kills his creature
32:05 <Steven> and then next turn its just giant growths for the win
32:56 <Steven> he was so pissed cause he was playing his like 800 dollar jund deck
33:15 <Steven> and i beat him with a deck i built out of the commons/uncommons box for like 4 dolalrs.
33:30 <Spaceshot> that's because people who netdeck
33:43 <Spaceshot> only build based on other netdecks
33:57 <Steven> i went 1-2-1 that tourny.
34:06 <Spaceshot> haha
34:36 <Steven> and me and another guy decided to tie to screw nate out of prize pool
34:59 <Spaceshot> hahaha
35:09 <Steven> he went for 5 packs to 1 pack because we tied.
35:15 <Steven> from even
35:36 <s_gmusic> heh
36:10 <Steven> our buddy tias went from like 8 packs to 10 packs though
36:31 <Steven> next week i went 4-0 with the same deck.
37:11 <Spaceshot> heh nice
37:11 <Steven> finishing out the tourny with a 23/16 trample double strike bogle
37:28 <Spaceshot> gotta love hexproof
37:34 <Steven> and it got the deck got the name Falcon Punch.
38:13 <Steven> and then i retired it cause you gotta retire on a high point.
38:27 <s_gmusic> never played anyone like that, but completely trounced a friend's vampire deck with wolf tokens back in Zendikar. managed to pull off the only "combo" in the deck: mana ramp and multikick wolfbriar for 2/2 wolf tokens everywhere. next turn, pop off M10 Garruk's ulti (an Overrun effect) and hardcast an Overrun for 8/8 Trample wolves in the face
39:20 <Steven> i used to play a monogreen ramp into avenger/beast master ascension deck
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39:42 <Spaceshot> I got into nats with a protection deck
39:42 <Steven> it basically went if i could get to turn 6 i won the game.
39:59 <Spaceshot> who doesn't love seeing painter's servant in standard?
40:17 <s_gmusic> lol
40:18 <Steven> cause it was ramp ramp ramp, avenger for 7 tokens
40:36 <Steven> next turn put down beastmasters swing for win
40:44 <Spaceshot> especially when you've got envec, collossus (pro black dude) and I think another 1 or 2 pro guys
41:12 <Steven> cause nothing says sexy like 5/6 plant token creatures
41:45 <Steven> i dont like any of these characters im building
41:45 <s_gmusic> have you seen a couple of the new mechanics in Standard now? Devotion, Monstrous, Tribute. dumb things happen.
41:59 <Steven> i know for sure im going weretiger.
42:18 <Spaceshot> I like bestow
42:22 <Spaceshot> that is good/fun
42:31 <Spaceshot> Monstrousity is also it's fair bag of lels
42:31 <Steven> but i dont particularly like the magus i built
42:36 <Spaceshot> but tribute is just weird
42:57 <Steven> i like tribute... but then i like making my opponents choose their downfall.
43:15 <Steven> brb, fire.
45:40 <s_gmusic> almost 7a, time for sleeps. later
46:02 <Spaceshot> Darkkapow: why should I join Serpent Skull?
46:28 <Spaceshot> or was it just because of my rolls?
47:27 <Steven> kapow likes rubbing it in that i have a 5 point buy.
47:39 <Spaceshot> yes, but you have an AC
47:42 <Spaceshot> so who cares?
47:56 <Steven> because i didnt want to have an AC...
48:30 <Spaceshot> oh...
48:32 <Steven> i wanted a functional character.  I took an AC so i wouldnt be a burden on my compatriots in combat.
49:13 <Spaceshot> just run face first off a cliff?
49:25 <Damalon01> i quit Serpent Skull because I didnt like being subtier compared to one of the character. I think Steven deserves major kudos for sticking around.
49:36 <Spaceshot> yea...
49:39 <Damalon01> His character has even lower stats than mine did
49:43 <Spaceshot> that's why I'm not a fan of rolling for stats
49:49 <Damalon01> me neither
49:50 <Spaceshot> no matter how old school feel that is
50:09 <Steven> i would have taken a 20pb all day if i had been given the option.
50:12 <Steven> but shit happens.
50:39 <Steven> i went from around an 11 to an 8 to a 5.
51:04 <Steven> i think i am 17 points below everyone else.
51:15 <Steven> and one person has 40 more points than I
51:37 <Spaceshot> wroth monk has 2 18s and a 17
51:38 <Spaceshot> ...
51:55 <Steven> he's the one that has 40 points more than i do.
52:12 <Steven> thankfully his lack of system mastery balances that.
53:25 <Spaceshot> and ulzelf isn't any cheerier...
55:05 <Steven> anyways, my animal companion and my level of system mastery makes my character able to actually do things rather than just suck a giant serpents skull sized cock.
55:31 <Damalon01> lol
55:59 <Steven> so weretiger ideas.... go go
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56:23 <Damalon01> you know what really pissed me off? i was a barbarian and the bloody ninja was stronger than me unless i raged
56:26 <Damalon01> suck
56:43 <Steven> hmmm... ninja...
56:47 <Damalon01> heheh
56:55 <Damalon01> weretiger ninja?
56:59 <Spaceshot> weretiger monk
57:02 <Spaceshot> so many attacks
57:05 <Steven> im going to be killing off the town in dragons demand.
57:25 <Steven> cause the entire party has become evil and plans on just joining up with the dragon.
57:48 <Steven> worst heroes ever.
58:11 <Spaceshot> good anti-heroes though
59:00 <Steven> they let my character die because i was making them act morally
59:22 <Spaceshot> haha
59:50 <Steven> con drain so nasty lol
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05:49 <Steven> hmmmm..... so as a weretiger i can get the see in darkness special ability when i am shape changed.
06:04 <Steven> time to just start dropping deeper darkness
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10:56 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/skinwalkers-10-rp#TOC-Weretiger-Kin-Fanglord-
14:14 <Spaceshot> how
14:20 <Spaceshot> do you become more charasmatic
14:23 <Spaceshot> when shapechanged?
14:39 * Steven shrug
15:18 <Steven> i become more imposing i guess. cha is a measure of force of personality rather than physical attributes.
15:27 <Spaceshot> I know
15:29 <Spaceshot> but still
15:36 <Spaceshot> just sounds funny
15:45 <Spaceshot> and werewolves become more wise
15:47 <Spaceshot> like... what?
15:50 <Steven> makes sense, when im a tiger i got tiger eyes son!
15:58 <Steven> makes me more persuasive.
21:19 <Darkkapow> you shouldn't nor can you spaceshot
21:23 <Darkkapow> we;re at max for dm
21:31 <Darkkapow> I was making a joke about the stat block you rolled
21:35 <Darkkapow> and stevens character's
22:06 <Spaceshot> I see
22:14 <Spaceshot> yea... not a fan of rolling stats
22:32 <Spaceshot> because I've been in both steven's position
22:40 <Spaceshot> and wrothmonk/ulzelf's
28:16 <Steven> i think i am going to be an antipaladin...
29:01 <Damalon01> yay Antipaladin
30:35 <Steven> but i hate that i have to be CE... i dont do CE very well.
30:58 <Spaceshot> KILL
30:59 <Spaceshot> ALL
31:00 <Spaceshot> THE
31:03 <Spaceshot> THINGS!
31:06 <Spaceshot> not that hard
31:09 <Steven> its not just kill all the things.
31:26 <Spaceshot> it is mainly kill all the things though
31:34 <Steven> thats a goodly portion of it.
32:07 <Spaceshot> the other stuff is just corner case scenarios
32:30 <Spaceshot> is there an antipaladin code?
33:01 <Damalon01> i think Hannibal Lector from Silence of the Lambs is a good Chaotic Evil
33:12 <Damalon01> or maybe the Joker from Dark Knight
33:31 <Steven> Antipaladins are villains at their most dangerous. They care nothing for the lives of others and actively seek to bring death and destruction to ordered society. They rarely travel with those that they do not subjugate, unless as part of a ruse to bring ruin from within.
33:50 <Steven> hannibal is not chaotic evil, he is probably NE.
33:59 <Steven> perhaps even LE
34:20 <Steven> he does have a personal code of conduct.
34:36 <Steven> the joker is totes CE.
35:44 <Damalon01> lol he eats people but fair enouff its your opinion
36:23 <Damalon01> what about Petyr Baelish from Game of thrones?
36:47 <Steven> the eating of people is not in itself an evil act, from the victim's point of view it probably feels that way.
37:21 <Damalon01> fair enough
38:44 <Steven> Hannibal is evil because he enjoys what he does to other people and he has no reason to do it other than that enjoyment.
39:15 <Steven> and what he does is definitely not good 
45:59 <Steven> weretiger antipaladin
46:03 <Steven> mmmmmmmmm yeah.
46:54 <Darkkapow> I was playing a werebear paladin
53:40 <Damalon01> night all
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