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21:36 <Steven> "no, it is only 1d3 of damage."
22:11 <Philderbeast> "your eidolon looks are you and decideds to do nothing as well, next..."
22:13 <Steven> end of the fight, walter looks at the guy and says, just so you know for 2 rounds of that combat this BBEG was at 1hp.
23:44 <Spaceshot_> I really don't like AC characters
24:23 <Steven> i dont really like AC characters who are really playing ACs that just happen to have a person hanging around them.
25:05 <Steven> like in the SS game, I hate my character because to be combat effective she needed an AC... if i had better stats she would literally be a completely different character
25:06 <Spaceshot_> AC characters are one of 2, playing the AC as the main and the character as the support/buffer/nothing
25:24 <Spaceshot_> or a mount, which just combines 2 characters into 1 super bullshit character
27:27 <Philderbeast> anyone got any good character concepts that would work for a GM baby?
27:52 * Steven reaches for his character theory folder.
28:03 * Steven hides said folder.
28:09 <Steven> go ahead and make a perception check.
28:10 <Philderbeast> something that would explain how having never done anything he is awsome?
28:30 <Philderbeast> !roll 1d20+30
28:31 <dicebot> Philderbeast, 1d20+30: [1d20=12] 42
28:32 <Steven> !roll 1d20+7 Slight of hand
28:32 <dicebot> Steven, Slight of hand: [1d20=10] 17
28:42 <Steven> you dont have a perception of +30
28:48 <Spaceshot_> philder, do you know of the PrC and SLA rulings?
29:03 <Steven> !roll 1d10
29:04 <dicebot> Steven, 1d10: [1d10=2] 2
29:10 <Philderbeast> yea i have heard of them
29:11 <Spaceshot_> only 10?
29:13 <Steven> you have a +2 perception mod.
29:14 <Philderbeast> i havent looked at them much
29:34 <Philderbeast> !roll 1d20+8
29:35 <dicebot> Philderbeast, 1d20+8: [1d20=3] 11
29:43 <Spaceshot_> basically, SLAs are allowed to fill Spell casting requirements for PrCs
29:45 <Philderbeast> ok thats my characters acctuall perception
29:49 <Spaceshot_> but they have to be the exact level
29:56 <Philderbeast> if it say case a spell of level x
29:56 <Steven> oh good... so nothing super broken then.
29:57 <Philderbeast> yes
29:59 <Spaceshot_> so an SLA of a 3rd level spell
30:04 <Steven> sure what level philder?
30:15 <Philderbeast> depends on the class etc
30:24 <Spaceshot_> only allows for a PrC that requires "can cast 3rd level spells" not "can cast 2nd level spells"
30:26 <Steven> no... i mean what level if the GM baby you're building
30:50 <Philderbeast> will see where he gets to on credit, im just looking at comcepts at the moment
31:07 <Philderbeast> not finalising stats et5c
31:08 <Steven> well at about what level then?
31:27 <Philderbeast> i cant see me playing it before 5 at least
31:27 <Spaceshot_> basically, what level do you want to start playing your GMbaby at?
31:29 <Steven> 5th?
31:39 <Steven> hmmm lots of stuff can do there.
33:01 <Philderbeast> i was looking at the pathfinder chronicaler PRC...not sure about that though
35:07 <Steven> what would you get from this class?
36:16 <Steven> the ability that is really useful is the Deep Pockets
37:15 <Steven> because everything else you can pretty much get with a bard.
37:34 <Steven> and deep pockets can just be negated completely if you properly prepare a character
41:16 <Philderbeast> yea i know
41:26 <Philderbeast> it was more a flavor option over going bard
42:30 <Steven> imo chronicler is a yawn.
42:52 <Steven> the things it adds are kinda bland.
42:54 <Philderbeast> im not sure what else to take a look at for it at the moment
47:46 <Steven> well usually prestige classes dont make a character any more powerful.  they plateau a characters progress 
48:13 <Philderbeast> im looking less for power then flavor
48:17 <Philderbeast> im not that in to powergaming
48:47 <Steven> its not about powergaming, it is about keeping up with the power curve of monsters.
49:28 <Steven> if monsters advance in power at 1x progression
49:41 <Steven> then players need to keep their progression in power at the same level
50:09 <Steven> or you end up in situations where monsters are significantly more powerful when compared to PCs
50:36 <Steven> power gaming is making a character whos power level increases at 1.2-1.5x
51:39 <Steven> most prestige classes take a character who is progressing at 1x and take it to .5-.9x
51:57 <Steven> which means they slow the power progression of a character.
52:12 <Steven> usually this is in trade for flavor.
52:20 <Steven> in short.
52:50 <Steven> prestige classes are for the most part not a good choice when building a character.
53:40 <Steven> notable exceptions are things like shadow dancer and dragon disciple
53:42 <Spaceshot_> a dip in chronicler is good for just the 100g deep pocket
53:58 <Steven> not really spaceshot
54:29 <Steven> if you properly buy consumables you negate the benefit of the class feature completely
54:31 <Spaceshot_> it is when you think of the insane amount of possibility
54:51 <Spaceshot_> you aren't going to fit every single viable option in your bag without it being encumbered
55:03 <Steven> which is why you buy a handy haversack.
55:16 <Steven> or a bag of holding, that negates the need for worrying about backpack space.
55:35 <Spaceshot_> most people don't bother with either
55:45 <Steven> then they are retarded.
55:50 <Spaceshot_> I've only known one character/player besides mine to do so
56:30 <Spaceshot_> but you can seriously just delve through UE to come up with a solution to any problem
56:36 <Spaceshot_> it is extremely handy
56:46 <Spaceshot_> "being prepared" doesn't even come close to that ability
56:59 <Steven> yes, it does.
57:05 <Spaceshot_> no, it doesn't
57:15 <Spaceshot_> have you ever needed 4 collapsable 10ft rods?
58:02 <Steven> not that i needed to pull out of a pocket.
58:06 <Steven> because... wait for it.
58:17 <Spaceshot_> deep pockets says backpack
58:17 <Steven> adventuring kit.
58:26 <Spaceshot_> adventuring kit has 1
58:58 <Steven> and there isnt a scenario thats like, players can build a bridge with 4 collapsable 10ft rods.
59:00 <Spaceshot_> but the best part about deep pockets is the ability to get an item for others
59:28 <Philderbeast> so Steven you carry EVERY item in every source book under 100GP on you all the time?
59:29 <Spaceshot_> you can easily be like "ok, I'll get you this potion, but you owe me 50g"
59:47 <Spaceshot_> and most players, when they need that potion to continue, will agree, and love your flexibility
00:06 <Steven> yeah or you could just carry the potion for 50g.
00:13 <Steven> since players cant exchange gold.
00:31 <Philderbeast> so you cary every potion on you all the time?
00:42 <Steven> not every item philder, but you dont need every item.
00:57 <Philderbeast> so what do you do when you find one you dont have on you
01:08 <Philderbeast> and need it
01:13 <Steven> wait for the barbarian to kill it.
01:22 <Steven> since thats what barbarians do.
01:51 <Philderbeast> and when its needed for something the barbarian cant kill, like i dont know drowning?
02:27 <Steven> air crystals.
02:41 <Philderbeast> you just used your last one
02:57 <Steven> unlikely since i carry more than 1.
03:11 <Philderbeast> your on the water plane
03:21 <Spaceshot_> you can't share gold
03:23 <Steven> seriously how much do you guys spend on consumables?
03:38 <Spaceshot_> but you can pay for costs of other people's abilities/spells if it is being used on you
03:39 <Philderbeast> not as much as you obviously if your always prepared for everything
04:14 <Steven> because my characters usually spend about 20% of every scenario's take on consumables until i have around 4-5k worth of random gear.
04:33 <Steven> and replace as necessary 
05:47 <Spaceshot_> steven, would the cleric in the party have to pay for the regents to cast restoration to remove your negative level?
05:51 <Spaceshot_> or would you pay for it?
06:11 <Avatar> yo
06:16 <Avatar> big day for PFS GMs
06:17 <Spaceshot_> sup
06:17 <Steven> if you have the reagents you can give them the reagent
06:19 <Philderbeast> but regarless that wasnt the point i was trying to make, the point is you can only be so prepared before you find there is something you need that you wont have, prehaps you havent bought it yet or prehaps you just used your last one
06:20 <Spaceshot_> we heard avatar
06:34 <Philderbeast> either way you need one more and all your preperation cant give it to you atht momenth you need it
06:52 <Spaceshot_> steven, not everyone is as prepared as possible
06:55 <Spaceshot_> you might, and woo to you
06:58 <Spaceshot_> but everyone is not
07:08 <Steven> if you're at a store you can purchase the reagents and give them to the player
07:39 <Steven> but they cant use their reagents and then at end of scenario you mark off some gold and say i buy you some reagents for the stuff you used on me.
08:07 <Spaceshot_> that is retarded
08:10 <Spaceshot_> and unfair steven
08:17 <Steven> no, those are the rules.
08:19 <Spaceshot_> I'm not saying it's not in there, but if it is, that's just retarded
09:14 <Philderbeast> Avatar: would be better if i could acctully get the download
09:28 <Spaceshot_> why can't you philder?
09:30 <Spaceshot_> I can
09:37 <Philderbeast> im getting not found errors
10:10 <Philderbeast> The requested URL was not found on this server, or you do not have permission to access this area.
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10:36 <Spaceshot_> gimme a sec philder
11:03 <Spaceshot_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17432113/GMStarChronicle.zip
11:05 <Spaceshot_> go nuts
11:18 <Philderbeast> thanks
11:26 <Spaceshot_> no probs
11:38 <Steven> philder my point is you've got to get a significant way down the prestige class before the Deep Pockets pool of gold becomes large enough that it is anywhere near the tank you take to power level of a character.
11:41 <Spaceshot_> the last one for 5star GM on scrolls is good
12:16 <Spaceshot_> I still think a single level dip for a support bard would work
13:47 <Steven> a Single level dip to gain access to 2 first level potions, or 4 first level scrolls chosen at the time you need them.
14:20 <Avatar> I'm not sure how it works exactly
14:27 <Avatar> do you get just one use ever
14:43 <Avatar> do you activate it forever when you spend a day job, or just for that scenario
14:54 <Avatar> most of them don't seem to expire on one use
15:15 <Steven> yeah or you could just spend 100g each scenario and eventually not need the ability at all because you will end up getting a potion/scroll of every first level spell available.
15:16 <Philderbeast> you get access to the boon by meeting the requirements and spending 1 pp/dayjob roll (only once to get it
15:17 <Avatar> it's a bit strange because things like that are pretty elementary rpg superstar type things
15:21 <Philderbeast> and then your fine
15:49 <Avatar> can you get all of them with one day job/prestige?
15:57 <Avatar> do you have to wait until the end of the scenario to activate it
16:04 <Spaceshot_> no, it's one day job/prestige per boon
16:10 <Spaceshot_> it's 5 boons
16:20 <Steven> yeah you can only do 1/scenario
16:51 <Avatar> so when you use any one of those during a scenario, you forego your day job roll or 1 prestige?
17:31 <Philderbeast> hmmm these boons are nice
17:32 <Steven> yup
17:51 <Philderbeast> thats not how i read it
18:04 <Philderbeast> you forgo the dayjob/pp to get the boon on your character
18:11 <Philderbeast> you can then use the boon at any time after that
18:16 <Philderbeast> within its written limits
24:28 <Philderbeast> also space you might want to redownload that at some stage
24:36 <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
24:38 <Philderbeast> wand
24:57 <Spaceshot_> depends if they update it
25:23 <Philderbeast> from what im reading thats why people cant download it, they tookk it down to fix it
26:09 <Spaceshot_> just redownloaded it
26:13 <Spaceshot_> still same cost
26:20 <Philderbeast> hmmm
26:39 <Philderbeast> paying for a 50 charge wand with only 10 charges... no thanks
36:29 <Avatar> it's at the price of 10 charges
36:34 <Avatar> you can't buy them normally
36:42 <Avatar> has to be on a chronicle sheet and you're usually limited to 1
36:54 <Brunius> <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
36:54 <Avatar> limited use wands are the best items on chronicle sheets
52:40 <Spaceshot_> sadly, I don't think I'm going to buy the 17 charge lightning bolt wand avatar
52:52 <Spaceshot_> but that is sooooooooo useful if I had it on a blaster
54:21 <Avatar> what 17 charge lightning bolt wand
54:35 <Spaceshot_> I think it was 17
54:43 <Avatar> what are you talking about
54:44 <Spaceshot_> from ruby phoenix
55:01 <Avatar> how was I meant to know you were referring to a wand from ruby phoneix
55:15 <Spaceshot_> because we played it together?
55:19 <Spaceshot_> true it was 2 years ago
55:20 <Spaceshot_> anyway
55:33 <Spaceshot_> it's 12 charges and 20 charges
55:37 <Spaceshot_> and don't say limit 1
55:39 <Spaceshot_> which is awesome
55:47 <Spaceshot_> if I were a blaster, or had it on my spell list
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26:00 <Steven> sup.
26:01 <Steven> im back
26:08 <Spaceshot_> didn't even realise you left
26:18 <Steven> like a ninja!
28:42 <Steven> i has popcorn
49:28 <Steven> gonna go play me some rust
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42:36 <Avatar> anyone heard of chess 2
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47:08 <s_gmusic> Large size creatures, such as Fire Giant Warriors, take up 4 squares, correct? so their base should be a 2-inch square?
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53:41 <gaycutefred> hi guys,  looking to hook up and do any sexual favour for any guys who are bi/curious/gay or just wanna try something different  please cal me now while im waiting 0433698717
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10:38 <Philderbeast> dammit i wish i could download this gm boon
11:11 <Spaceshot> what boon?
11:19 <Philderbeast> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lfui?GM-Rewards
11:41 <Philderbeast> new boon chronical for all GM's
17:42 <Spaceshot> student of scrolls looks tasty
17:50 <Spaceshot> especially the 5star part
21:10 <Steven> why cant you download it?
22:10 <Spaceshot> I'm guessing he has 0stars
22:40 <Steven> nah philder should have at least 1
23:21 <s_gmusic> I'm 2 sessions from my first star. I need to get on that. :\
24:54 <Philderbeast> we be goblns :P
27:02 <s_gmusic> huh?
32:59 <Philderbeast> its worth 2 tables
33:07 <Philderbeast> for your star
41:25 <s_gmusic> really? cool. might have to do that this weekend.
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45:43 <angryharry> i love this shit
45:47 <angryharry> d n dddddddd
45:58 <angryharry> cant get enuff
46:15 <angryharry> headbanging n choofing
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57:54 <Spaceshot> how long does it usually take for a player companion book to go from released to PFS legal?
58:35 <Steven> most of them are about a week to two weeks because paizo has the mock up for quite a while before it is released.
58:45 <Spaceshot> ah good good
59:03 <Spaceshot> because I'm going to guess Bastards of Golarion is going to be similar to the blood series
59:05 <Steven> usually its when they update the additional resources that things become legal/illegal
59:17 <Steven> it basically is.
59:51 <Spaceshot> they're probably going to have "only half-elf and half-orc are playable races" which makes sense
59:59 <Spaceshot> I'm just hoping there are alternatives
00:04 <Spaceshot> I like being weird
00:28 <Steven> well, bastards are specifically about the halfbloods
00:48 <Steven> but there are only two half bloods legal for pfs.
00:53 <Spaceshot> so far
01:16 <Spaceshot> the blurb they put up on the blog suggested there'll be regional alteratives
03:05 <Steven> so once bonekeep goes exclusive to gm... who wants to play?
03:19 <Spaceshot> what level is it?
03:51 <Steven> i think it is 3-7
04:04 <Spaceshot> I don't have anyone cheesy at that level bracket
04:47 <Steven> pfffft dont need a cheesy character to run through bonekeep
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05:09 <Steven> my most successful player at a bonekeep table so far has actually been a dude who was just average.
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05:40 <Spaceshot> all I've got is Ava, who has already died
05:44 <Spaceshot> once
05:52 <Spaceshot> and is already under geared because of it
06:01 <Spaceshot> I'd probably wait for my metal oracle to play it
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13:29 <Philderbeast> i would love to play it but only with a prepared/balanced party going in
14:54 <Steven> i wanna play it with a group of premades
15:02 <Steven> all level 7
15:14 <Philderbeast> grab the right ones and it could work
15:41 <Steven> just so we can beat it and lay to rest all the shit about how unfair it is for people to get stuck at a table with somebody playing a premade of it.
16:19 <Philderbeast> i think its less the characters and the way the party works together makes more of a diffrence in the harder mods
16:50 <Steven> oh man... i wanted to slap a guy yesterday
17:08 <Philderbeast> ?
17:11 <Steven> he was playing his summoner
17:30 <Steven> and he made his summon do everything and several rounds during combat his actual character did nothing.
17:44 <Steven> and it was touch and go at a couple of points
18:10 <Steven> and so after the first time in a combat where his eidolon did something and he did nothing
18:33 <Steven> i was like hey would you like to perhaps fire your crossbow? you can always hit on a nat 20 and its not like bolts are expensive.
18:43 <Steven> "no, i dont want to waste them."
19:01 <Steven> okay, how bout an acid splash then... just do something since the rest of us are struggling over here.
19:04 <Philderbeast> my responce would probably be bunter, are you playing a summoner or an eidolon?
19:16 <Steven> "no, it is only 1d3 of damage."
19:51 <Philderbeast> "your eidolon looks are you and decideds to do nothing as well, next..."
19:53 <Steven> end of the fight, walter looks at the guy and says, just so you know for 2 rounds of that combat this BBEG was at 1hp.
21:24 <Spaceshot_> I really don't like AC characters
22:03 <Steven> i dont really like AC characters who are really playing ACs that just happen to have a person hanging around them.
22:45 <Steven> like in the SS game, I hate my character because to be combat effective she needed an AC... if i had better stats she would literally be a completely different character
22:46 <Spaceshot_> AC characters are one of 2, playing the AC as the main and the character as the support/buffer/nothing
23:04 <Spaceshot_> or a mount, which just combines 2 characters into 1 super bullshit character
25:07 <Philderbeast> anyone got any good character concepts that would work for a GM baby?
25:32 * Steven reaches for his character theory folder.
25:42 * Steven hides said folder.
25:49 <Steven> go ahead and make a perception check.
25:50 <Philderbeast> something that would explain how having never done anything he is awsome?
26:10 <Philderbeast> !roll 1d20+30
26:10 <dicebot> Philderbeast, 1d20+30: [1d20=12] 42
26:11 <Steven> !roll 1d20+7 Slight of hand
26:12 <dicebot> Steven, Slight of hand: [1d20=10] 17
26:22 <Steven> you dont have a perception of +30
26:28 <Spaceshot_> philder, do you know of the PrC and SLA rulings?
26:43 <Steven> !roll 1d10
26:44 <dicebot> Steven, 1d10: [1d10=2] 2
26:49 <Philderbeast> yea i have heard of them
26:51 <Spaceshot_> only 10?
26:52 <Steven> you have a +2 perception mod.
26:54 <Philderbeast> i havent looked at them much
27:13 <Philderbeast> !roll 1d20+8
27:15 <dicebot> Philderbeast, 1d20+8: [1d20=3] 11
27:23 <Spaceshot_> basically, SLAs are allowed to fill Spell casting requirements for PrCs
27:24 <Philderbeast> ok thats my characters acctuall perception
27:29 <Spaceshot_> but they have to be the exact level
27:35 <Philderbeast> if it say case a spell of level x
27:36 <Steven> oh good... so nothing super broken then.
27:37 <Philderbeast> yes
27:39 <Spaceshot_> so an SLA of a 3rd level spell
27:44 <Steven> sure what level philder?
27:54 <Philderbeast> depends on the class etc
28:04 <Spaceshot_> only allows for a PrC that requires "can cast 3rd level spells" not "can cast 2nd level spells"
28:06 <Steven> no... i mean what level if the GM baby you're building
28:29 <Philderbeast> will see where he gets to on credit, im just looking at comcepts at the moment
28:47 <Philderbeast> not finalising stats et5c
28:48 <Steven> well at about what level then?
29:07 <Philderbeast> i cant see me playing it before 5 at least
29:07 <Spaceshot_> basically, what level do you want to start playing your GMbaby at?
29:08 <Steven> 5th?
29:19 <Steven> hmmm lots of stuff can do there.
30:41 <Philderbeast> i was looking at the pathfinder chronicaler PRC...not sure about that though
32:47 <Steven> what would you get from this class?
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33:56 <Steven> the ability that is really useful is the Deep Pockets
34:55 <Steven> because everything else you can pretty much get with a bard.
35:14 <Steven> and deep pockets can just be negated completely if you properly prepare a character
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38:56 <Philderbeast> yea i know
39:06 <Philderbeast> it was more a flavor option over going bard
40:10 <Steven> imo chronicler is a yawn.
40:31 <Steven> the things it adds are kinda bland.
40:33 <Philderbeast> im not sure what else to take a look at for it at the moment
45:26 <Steven> well usually prestige classes dont make a character any more powerful.  they plateau a characters progress 
45:53 <Philderbeast> im looking less for power then flavor
45:57 <Philderbeast> im not that in to powergaming
46:27 <Steven> its not about powergaming, it is about keeping up with the power curve of monsters.
47:08 <Steven> if monsters advance in power at 1x progression
47:21 <Steven> then players need to keep their progression in power at the same level
47:49 <Steven> or you end up in situations where monsters are significantly more powerful when compared to PCs
48:15 <Steven> power gaming is making a character whos power level increases at 1.2-1.5x
49:19 <Steven> most prestige classes take a character who is progressing at 1x and take it to .5-.9x
49:36 <Steven> which means they slow the power progression of a character.
49:52 <Steven> usually this is in trade for flavor.
49:59 <Steven> in short.
50:29 <Steven> prestige classes are for the most part not a good choice when building a character.
51:20 <Steven> notable exceptions are things like shadow dancer and dragon disciple
51:22 <Spaceshot_> a dip in chronicler is good for just the 100g deep pocket
51:38 <Steven> not really spaceshot
52:09 <Steven> if you properly buy consumables you negate the benefit of the class feature completely
52:10 <Spaceshot_> it is when you think of the insane amount of possibility
52:31 <Spaceshot_> you aren't going to fit every single viable option in your bag without it being encumbered
52:43 <Steven> which is why you buy a handy haversack.
52:56 <Steven> or a bag of holding, that negates the need for worrying about backpack space.
53:15 <Spaceshot_> most people don't bother with either
53:24 <Steven> then they are retarded.
53:30 <Spaceshot_> I've only known one character/player besides mine to do so
54:10 <Spaceshot_> but you can seriously just delve through UE to come up with a solution to any problem
54:16 <Spaceshot_> it is extremely handy
54:25 <Spaceshot_> "being prepared" doesn't even come close to that ability
54:39 <Steven> yes, it does.
54:45 <Spaceshot_> no, it doesn't
54:55 <Spaceshot_> have you ever needed 4 collapsable 10ft rods?
55:42 <Steven> not that i needed to pull out of a pocket.
55:46 <Steven> because... wait for it.
55:56 <Spaceshot_> deep pockets says backpack
55:57 <Steven> adventuring kit.
56:06 <Spaceshot_> adventuring kit has 1
56:37 <Steven> and there isnt a scenario thats like, players can build a bridge with 4 collapsable 10ft rods.
56:39 <Spaceshot_> but the best part about deep pockets is the ability to get an item for others
57:08 <Philderbeast> so Steven you carry EVERY item in every source book under 100GP on you all the time?
57:09 <Spaceshot_> you can easily be like "ok, I'll get you this potion, but you owe me 50g"
57:26 <Spaceshot_> and most players, when they need that potion to continue, will agree, and love your flexibility
57:45 <Steven> yeah or you could just carry the potion for 50g.
57:53 <Steven> since players cant exchange gold.
58:11 <Philderbeast> so you cary every potion on you all the time?
58:21 <Steven> not every item philder, but you dont need every item.
58:37 <Philderbeast> so what do you do when you find one you dont have on you
58:48 <Philderbeast> and need it
58:53 <Steven> wait for the barbarian to kill it.
59:02 <Steven> since thats what barbarians do.
59:31 <Philderbeast> and when its needed for something the barbarian cant kill, like i dont know drowning?
00:07 <Steven> air crystals.
00:21 <Philderbeast> you just used your last one
00:37 <Steven> unlikely since i carry more than 1.
00:50 <Philderbeast> your on the water plane
01:01 <Spaceshot_> you can't share gold
01:03 <Steven> seriously how much do you guys spend on consumables?
01:17 <Spaceshot_> but you can pay for costs of other people's abilities/spells if it is being used on you
01:18 <Philderbeast> not as much as you obviously if your always prepared for everything
01:54 <Steven> because my characters usually spend about 20% of every scenario's take on consumables until i have around 4-5k worth of random gear.
02:12 <Steven> and replace as necessary 
03:27 <Spaceshot_> steven, would the cleric in the party have to pay for the regents to cast restoration to remove your negative level?
03:31 <Spaceshot_> or would you pay for it?
03:51 <Avatar> yo
03:56 <Avatar> big day for PFS GMs
03:56 <Spaceshot_> sup
03:57 <Steven> if you have the reagents you can give them the reagent
03:58 <Philderbeast> but regarless that wasnt the point i was trying to make, the point is you can only be so prepared before you find there is something you need that you wont have, prehaps you havent bought it yet or prehaps you just used your last one
04:00 <Spaceshot_> we heard avatar
04:13 <Philderbeast> either way you need one more and all your preperation cant give it to you atht momenth you need it
04:31 <Spaceshot_> steven, not everyone is as prepared as possible
04:34 <Spaceshot_> you might, and woo to you
04:37 <Spaceshot_> but everyone is not
04:47 <Steven> if you're at a store you can purchase the reagents and give them to the player
05:18 <Steven> but they cant use their reagents and then at end of scenario you mark off some gold and say i buy you some reagents for the stuff you used on me.
05:46 <Spaceshot_> that is retarded
05:50 <Spaceshot_> and unfair steven
05:57 <Steven> no, those are the rules.
05:59 <Spaceshot_> I'm not saying it's not in there, but if it is, that's just retarded
06:54 <Philderbeast> Avatar: would be better if i could acctully get the download
07:08 <Spaceshot_> why can't you philder?
07:10 <Spaceshot_> I can
07:17 <Philderbeast> im getting not found errors
07:49 <Philderbeast> The requested URL was not found on this server, or you do not have permission to access this area.
08:15 <Spaceshot_> gimme a sec philder
08:42 <Spaceshot_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17432113/GMStarChronicle.zip
08:45 <Spaceshot_> go nuts
08:57 <Philderbeast> thanks
09:05 <Spaceshot_> no probs
09:18 <Steven> philder my point is you've got to get a significant way down the prestige class before the Deep Pockets pool of gold becomes large enough that it is anywhere near the tank you take to power level of a character.
09:20 <Spaceshot_> the last one for 5star GM on scrolls is good
09:56 <Spaceshot_> I still think a single level dip for a support bard would work
11:27 <Steven> a Single level dip to gain access to 2 first level potions, or 4 first level scrolls chosen at the time you need them.
11:59 <Avatar> I'm not sure how it works exactly
12:07 <Avatar> do you get just one use ever
12:22 <Avatar> do you activate it forever when you spend a day job, or just for that scenario
12:33 <Avatar> most of them don't seem to expire on one use
12:54 <Steven> yeah or you could just spend 100g each scenario and eventually not need the ability at all because you will end up getting a potion/scroll of every first level spell available.
12:56 <Philderbeast> you get access to the boon by meeting the requirements and spending 1 pp/dayjob roll (only once to get it
12:56 <Avatar> it's a bit strange because things like that are pretty elementary rpg superstar type things
13:00 <Philderbeast> and then your fine
13:29 <Avatar> can you get all of them with one day job/prestige?
13:37 <Avatar> do you have to wait until the end of the scenario to activate it
13:44 <Spaceshot_> no, it's one day job/prestige per boon
13:50 <Spaceshot_> it's 5 boons
13:59 <Steven> yeah you can only do 1/scenario
14:31 <Avatar> so when you use any one of those during a scenario, you forego your day job roll or 1 prestige?
15:11 <Philderbeast> hmmm these boons are nice
15:12 <Steven> yup
15:31 <Philderbeast> thats not how i read it
15:44 <Philderbeast> you forgo the dayjob/pp to get the boon on your character
15:50 <Philderbeast> you can then use the boon at any time after that
15:55 <Philderbeast> within its written limits
22:08 <Philderbeast> also space you might want to redownload that at some stage
22:16 <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
22:18 <Philderbeast> wand
22:37 <Spaceshot_> depends if they update it
23:03 <Philderbeast> from what im reading thats why people cant download it, they tookk it down to fix it
23:48 <Spaceshot_> just redownloaded it
23:53 <Spaceshot_> still same cost
24:00 <Philderbeast> hmmm
24:18 <Philderbeast> paying for a 50 charge wand with only 10 charges... no thanks
34:09 <Avatar> it's at the price of 10 charges
34:13 <Avatar> you can't buy them normally
34:22 <Avatar> has to be on a chronicle sheet and you're usually limited to 1
34:33 <Brunius> <Philderbeast> the wand prices are wrong for a 10 charge want
34:34 <Avatar> limited use wands are the best items on chronicle sheets
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50:20 <Spaceshot_> sadly, I don't think I'm going to buy the 17 charge lightning bolt wand avatar
50:32 <Spaceshot_> but that is sooooooooo useful if I had it on a blaster
52:00 <Avatar> what 17 charge lightning bolt wand
52:14 <Spaceshot_> I think it was 17
52:22 <Avatar> what are you talking about
52:23 <Spaceshot_> from ruby phoenix
52:41 <Avatar> how was I meant to know you were referring to a wand from ruby phoneix
52:55 <Spaceshot_> because we played it together?
52:59 <Spaceshot_> true it was 2 years ago
53:00 <Spaceshot_> anyway
53:13 <Spaceshot_> it's 12 charges and 20 charges
53:16 <Spaceshot_> and don't say limit 1
53:19 <Spaceshot_> which is awesome
53:26 <Spaceshot_> if I were a blaster, or had it on my spell list
23:39 <Steven> sup.
23:41 <Steven> im back
23:47 <Spaceshot_> didn't even realise you left
23:58 <Steven> like a ninja!
26:22 <Steven> i has popcorn
47:07 <Steven> gonna go play me some rust
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45:49 <Mekkis> Avatar, you around?
45:54 <Avatar> sure am
46:32 <Mekkis> any chance you can send me the map for Library of the Lion: I'll be running it in a few weeks' time, and getting canvas printing it seems like a good idea
46:57 <Mekkis> preferably directly extracted from the PDF
46:59 <Avatar> neg, sorry
47:06 <Avatar> I don't want to send anything by post
47:18 <Mekkis> email or skype is fine
47:19 <Avatar> if you were in melb I'd let you grab it
47:25 <Avatar> do you want the jpg
47:35 <Avatar> sec
47:38 <Mekkis> yeah. I was planning on getting it printed
47:47 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || SS: Sun 23rd 12pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
48:31 * Avatar has offered library.jpg (617924 bytes)
48:37 <Mekkis> Which reminds me Way of the Wicked, evening of the 15th. 7pm. I believe
48:39 <Avatar> how come you can't extract it?
49:07 <Mekkis> I don't have the mod yet. I'll be getting it as part of the whole "con GM package"
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49:22 <Mekkis> but given the turnaround for printing, I'd like to send the request off soon
49:26 <Avatar> gotcha
49:33 <Avatar> are you seeing the transfer
49:34 * DCC RECV connect attempt to Avatar failed (err=Connection timed out).
49:41 <Avatar> my IRC might be a bit fukkerd
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52:59 <Mekkis> thanks
53:03 <Mekkis> do you want a copy?
55:37 <Avatar> nah I've got a (dodgy) copy
55:42 <Avatar> I will probably not even use it anymore
55:50 <Avatar> should've given it to the other guys
56:00 <Mekkis> not planning on running it again?
56:14 <Avatar> in person, not likely
56:49 <Avatar> had no issues, but I'd rather run something else
57:00 <Avatar> don't mind running it again online for people who haven't played it
57:30 <Mekkis> I might run it online, soon, perhaps. Good to get some practice before the con
57:32 <Avatar> I'm thinking of running portal of the sacred rune next if possible
57:56 <Avatar> not sure if there is any interest in it
58:08 <Avatar> won't run it if there isn't, it's a 7-11 I've already run before
58:37 <Mekkis> when I ran it, it was the worst game I ever GMed
58:47 <Avatar> I ran all the season 3 plot relevant scenarios earlier on, except for rats of round mountain, storming the diamond gate and portal of the sacred rune
59:10 <Avatar> it was pretty good for our crews
59:34 <Avatar> I played it with the PSOC guys before I ran it, wasn't pretty
59:40 <Avatar> one guy died twice in the scenario
59:51 <Mekkis> you weren't GMing for three over-the-top powergamers, and their two disinterested girlfriends.
59:58 <Avatar> we brought him back out to get a raise dead so he could keep playing
00:00 <Avatar> then he died again
00:12 <Avatar> that is a terrible group
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00:36 <Avatar> why do the girlfriends even bother to show up
01:42 <Mekkis> not sure
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01:53 <Mekkis> because they've been dragged along to every other session
01:56 <deruitus> d n dddddd
02:09 <deruitus> its not fair
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02:30 <deruitus> why does schapelle corby earn 3 million bucks for an interview
02:50 <deruitus> id spend 9 years in a bali prison if i was gonna earn that much
03:16 <deruitus> stupid australia,  it praises criminals
03:19 NickOP sets mode +r Mekkis
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04:12 <Mekkis> to reach ~level 9, on slow track
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13:56 <ricin> http://imgur.com/rA5b8hi
16:05 <Mekkis> what's that?
22:30 <Mekkis> Avatar, Step 1: use GIMP to waterbrush over the secret door
25:34 <Mekkis> Step 2: fire up Inkscape, and create a 1" grid, resize to correct scaling
28:52 <Mekkis> Step 3: Resize page to fit content, revealing the correct paper size (in this case, 714x892mm - fits on A0 portrait, but too wide for A1)
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30:53 <Mekkis> Step 4: get your CPU to make it look better, by using Trace Bitmap aggressively
39:18 <Avatar> maybe one day I will have time to care about that
41:55 <Avatar> so nobody's heard of chess 2?
36:06 <Spaceshot-> chess 2?
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