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00:01 <Bloodlust> I don't GM so I'm not sure
00:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> especially where most BBEGs are nerfed due to tactics that are generally expected to be played
00:18 <Mekkis> you should. You might realise how frustrating it is
00:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I haven't GMed pfs, but I have GMed old dungeon mag stuff, is pfs that different from those?
01:19 <Bloodlust> why is it frustrating?  Do you play You against the players?
01:36 <Bloodlust> Or do you run the games for the enjoyment of the players - to tell a story and be a "judge"?
01:48 <Mekkis> I try and provide a challenge for the players
01:57 <Bloodlust> Challenge is great
02:03 <Bloodlust> role play is also great
02:09 <Mekkis> when one player is out-actioning the others with cheesy items, noone else has fun
02:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he won't use a certain tactic if he knows it'll kill the party
02:36 <Brunius|M> Unless he does
02:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but he will use that tactic if it'll put the players in danger
02:44 <Bloodlust> I don't think either of those two items is "cheesy" at all but we're all entitled to our opinions
03:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though telling people like mort to ride by charge is not a good idea XD
03:32 <Bloodlust> okay, I can see why you would not be keen on a witch then
03:50 <Bloodlust> I imagine you see them as "cheesy", especially because of slumber
03:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the same is to be said about colour spray in low level play
04:01 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, I don't think you can really form a balanced opinion until you've been on both sides of the screen
04:32 <Bloodlust> I don't remember the last time I saw a creature's tactics involved disarms
04:56 <Mekkis> and calling people "brainless" or "insane" to not use a rather unbalance item is an insult.
04:57 <Bloodlust> I'm sure they are out there - I'd be surprised if they were not, but I don't think they are common
05:29 <Mekkis> true. If there's a weapon cord, substitute "sunder" for "disarm"
05:34 <Bloodlust> I don't see it as unbalanced.  I see it as standard adventuring equipment that I think you'd be crazy not to use.
05:44 <Mekkis> it's not standard
05:54 <Mekkis> Use CRB as benchmark
06:10 <Bloodlust> CRB?
06:15 <Mekkis> you shouldn't be outshining a well-built core-only character
06:18 <Mekkis> core rulebook
06:43 <Bloodlust> Then what is the point of every other book released by Paizo?
07:18 <Bloodlust> I remember this when I used to play 2nd ed AD&D
07:21 <Mekkis> diversity and options. Not power
07:27 <Bloodlust> Core rules was good
07:52 <Bloodlust> handbooks were cool for diversity (some power builds, a lot of flavour)
08:01 <Bloodlust> Then came "Skills and Powers" and it all went downhill
08:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup, same happened with 3.5
08:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and people are hoping doesn't happen with pathfinder
08:23 <Bloodlust> When I first looked at 3rd ed and saw "feats" I was appaulled
08:59 <Bloodlust> *appalled
09:53 <Bloodlust> Okay, so you don't like weapon cords because you think they are too silly and give too much to play with (even though lanyards are historical objects)
10:30 <Bloodlust> You don't like spring-loaded wrist sheaths because of the mechanics (real life mechanics that is) not properly demonstrating the item
10:32 <Mekkis> I don't like weapon cords or spring-loaded wrist sheaths because they break one of the fundamentals of Pathfinder (and 3.5e) - Action Economy
11:06 <Bloodlust> I can see you points on both topics
11:15 <Bloodlust> What is with rogues being #3?
11:29 <Mekkis> ever wondered why Quicken Spell is such an large level adjustment
11:31 <Bloodlust> You hardly ever see them because they suck so bad.
11:33 <Mekkis> oh, that's simple.
11:59 <Bloodlust> Quicken spell?  so you can cast two spells in a round?
12:07 <Mekkis> the problem with the rogue is the disconnect between a new player's perception of what a rogue should be, and what a rogue actually is.
12:27 <Bloodlust> you can't strike twice with a weapon cord, you can even pick it up and strike in the same round (though you do provoke)
12:48 <Bloodlust> perception vs reality?
12:53 <Bloodlust> I'd like to hear this
13:07 <Bloodlust> hang on, is quicken spell like quick channel?
13:14 <Mekkis> !feat quicken spell
13:15 <diebot> Mekkis, QUICKEN SPELL [Metamagic] You can cast spells in a fraction of the normal time.
13:15 <diebot> Benefit:  Casting a quickened spell is a swift action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell. A spell whose casting time is more than 1 round or 1 full-round action cannot be quickened. A quickened spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell's actual level.
13:15 <diebot> Casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.
13:15 <diebot> Special:  You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's casting time. Source: Core
13:22 <Bloodlust> I've seen someone quick channel with a swift action and the channel again as a standard
14:10 <Bloodlust> or you use a rod, right?
14:21 <Mekkis> When a new player looks at the rogue, they think that a rogue should be able to run up behind someone and slit their throat, or at least stab them in the back for a lot of damage.
14:23 <Bloodlust> I've never played a caster
14:36 <Bloodlust> okay, they do get sneak attack
14:40 <Mekkis> as written, the rogue isn't very good at that at all
14:51 <Bloodlust> indeed, they suck
15:09 <Bloodlust> I had a urban ranger who could do what a rogue does
15:17 <Mekkis> they're fine when they're NPCs, with the power of Plot to get sneak attacks and other schick
15:26 <Bloodlust> well, except for trap spotting - that trick is handy
15:29 <Mekkis> but as PCs, they're rather bad.
15:51 <Bloodlust> agrred
15:54 <Bloodlust> *agreed
15:58 <Mekkis> that's why Rogue is #3. It should be an NPC class.
16:06 <Bloodlust> so they are #3 because they suck so much?
16:25 <Mekkis> the list is "things I think PFS would be better without."
16:46 <Bloodlust> No disagreement there - although I did see a knife master scout build in action the other week that was cool
16:57 <Mekkis> if I were rewriting the rogue, sneak attack would be something like 1d6 per level, with a caveat that you could only get one per round
17:36 <Bloodlust> If 1d6 per level I'd say once per creature (now it knows you are there)
17:48 <Bloodlust> kind of like hexes
18:19 <Mekkis> Witches are just dumb
18:31 <Bloodlust> If I was the enemy who'd just been knifed in the back i'd keep one eye on the fighter in front of me and another on the guy behind and make sure he didn't stay behind me
18:42 <Bloodlust> what's #5?
19:06 <Mekkis> magi
19:14 <Bloodlust> magus?
19:28 <Bloodlust> they can get broken as all hell at higher levels
19:35 <Bloodlust> with a keen scimitar
19:46 <Bloodlust> or rapier
20:13 <Bloodlust> spells should not be "crittable" in my opinion
20:36 <Bloodlust> they never were back in the old days
20:51 <Bloodlust> What's your thoughts on them?
21:20 <Mekkis> they have the other cookie-cutter problem
21:39 <Mekkis> there are two types of magi: those who abuse shocking grasp, and those who are ineffective.
21:58 <Mekkis> also, arcane mark to get a free attack is just bullshit
23:06 <Bloodlust> monks get it with a ki point, but they aren't going to crit with a shocking grasp and blow you to hell in one swing
23:27 <Bloodlust> how big is the list?
23:34 <Mekkis> but I've seem many different types of monk
23:38 <Mekkis> not just the one.
23:59 <Mekkis> not that long
25:32 <Bloodlust> okay, well I'm disagreeing with #1 and #2 and totally see your point with #3 and #5.
25:35 <Bloodlust> What's #6
25:43 <Bloodlust> ?
28:25 <Bloodlust> Or, back to the original topic.  What kind of wizard works well?  Also do you like a list of "force" spells as I've seen toppling magic missiles work really well
28:50 <Bloodlust> I'd seen people say a summoner wizard is good but surely a summoner (class) is better at that
30:21 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, with a wizard, almost any concept you come up with will work well
30:40 <Mekkis> and if it doesn't, you can easily change and fix it by altering your spell selection.
31:13 <Bloodlust> Okay, the thing I'm finding is that when I get to level 8+ I am feeling like a noob because everyone else in the party seems to be much better than me.
31:25 <Mekkis> who are you playing around?
31:34 <Bloodlust> All sorts of folks online
31:52 <Bloodlust> Though I tend to find the cheesiest builds come from Sweden
32:26 <Mekkis> and is it due to what you're playing, or how you're playing. Often when a player comes and tries to cheese the hell out of a character, it doesn't help, because the player can't play the character intelligently.
33:04 <Bloodlust> So, because I don't know how to build a caster properly, I've shied away from them
33:38 <Bloodlust> Playing intelligently is one thing I feel I do well.  I'm always planning moves/tactics with terrain and conditions in mind
33:39 <Mekkis> Either that, or that there is a conscious or unconscious decision of the other PLAYERS (and possibly the GM), to withhold aid to the character because of the way the player grates against them.
34:23 <Bloodlust> Not about my character needing aid
34:35 <Mekkis> it's happened before
34:39 <Bloodlust> and if they find me grating against them they can darn well get over it
35:28 <Mekkis> sure thing, and if you keep pestering me and annoying me, my cleric might decide that you're not worth my time to Breath of Life. You can get over it.
35:48 <Bloodlust> I can't please everyone all the time but I typically don't go out of my way to "grate" on poeple
36:02 <Bloodlust> when have a I pestered and annoyed you?
36:18 <Mekkis> I'm not saying you have
36:28 <Bloodlust> if you didn't want to have this discussion with me then you could have said so and that would have been an end to the subject
36:53 <Mekkis> I'm just saying that most of the players I know who have characters who consistently die are not entirely the kind of person you would invite to your home game.
37:03 <Mekkis> and I'm pretty sure there's a correlation
37:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he's just saying that if you piss off a healer, don't expect to get healed
37:10 <Bloodlust> I've had one character die - ever
37:18 <Bloodlust> and that was through mistakes made by the GM
37:27 <Bloodlust> and the Gm being a prick and bending things to target me
37:38 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, have you played in any of my games?
37:49 <Bloodlust> I don't remember - have I?
38:46 <Mekkis> I wanted to know how you thought my GMing style was
39:03 <Bloodlust> If I've playe din one of your games I don't remember it
39:13 <Bloodlust> can you refresh my memory if you think I have
39:34 <Mekkis> what's your PFS number?
39:40 <Bloodlust> 53968
41:46 <Mekkis> nope
41:53 <Mekkis> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AioJbWYRF9lxdFhLZXdWcnpQai14WHpDQzFyc3NDQkE#gid=3
42:35 <Bloodlust> Okay
43:41 <Bloodlust> Sorry, can't comment on your GM'ing style then.
44:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't think I have either
44:24 <Mekkis> for the record, I played 12-13 Siege of diamond city with a rogue/wizard/arcane trickster (trailing by two caster-levels), a rogue/fighter/pathfinder chronicler, a monk and a ranger.
45:19 <Mekkis> we were all definitely suboptimal, but through teamwork, luck and creativity, we were strong enough, had a great time, and were the most successful table.
45:19 <Bloodlust> I've not heard of seige of diamond city before
45:41 <Mekkis> it's this year's special. You should come down to Melbourne next week and play it
45:41 <Bloodlust> teamwork and tactics are essential in my opinion
46:01 <Bloodlust> creativity is also very important but can be shut down by some Gms
46:22 <Bloodlust> too expensive sorry
46:29 <Bloodlust> I'm on the other side of the country
46:48 <Bloodlust> besides, I have a sneaking suspicion you'd try to wipe the floor with one of my characters now lol
47:27 <Mekkis> if you have that impression, maybe you're powergaming too much
48:11 <Bloodlust> Well, you're the first person I've ever heard say that weapon cords and wrist sheaths were power gaming.
48:30 <Mekkis> but I think - if prior results are any indicator - that any given character you bring to my table has about a 99% chance of survival.
50:37 <Bloodlust> I'd be concerned that rules won't work as written or you have a different interpretation to "standard"
50:41 <Mekkis> Out of the 500 or so characters who have been sitting at my tables, only 6 have been reported dead. Of them, two were in Singapore, two were online, one was in Brisbane, and the other was in Canberra.
50:53 <Mekkis> Rules will work as written.
51:33 <Bloodlust> Well that makes a change from local Gms anyway
51:34 <Mekkis> so yeah, if you're at my table in Singapore, be you have about a 92% chance of survival, if prior history is any indicator.
51:39 <Bloodlust> Not that I play with them anymore
51:59 <Mekkis> but that's only the outcome of two games.
52:16 <Bloodlust> They seem to get a kick out of killing off PCs and consider a TPK to be a badge of honour to laugh about with the other GMs
52:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> have you run empyreal enlightenment mekkis?
52:33 <Mekkis> nope. Should I?
52:58 <Mekkis> problem with online games is there's less of an opportunity to immersively roleplay, both on the part of the GM, and the players
52:59 <Bloodlust> If the PCs get overly curious or get "into it" too much it can be very deadly
53:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I TPKed on it, and supposedly it's a hard one if you're not prepared, and there are no notions of what to prepare for
53:37 <Bloodlust> I didn't have a problem with it because I was playing a ranger who didn't like all this hoopy magic bullsh*t
54:32 <Mekkis> anyway, more con tomorrow. I'd best sleep
54:34 <Mekkis> 'night
54:45 <Bloodlust> night
54:50 <Bloodlust> I'd love to attend a con
55:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then get over to the east cost
55:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cons all up in this shiz
55:35 <Bloodlust> what tier is diamond city?
55:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 1-18 I think
55:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's a multitable event
55:54 <Bloodlust> oh, dang
56:12 <Bloodlust> I played Year of the Shadow Lodge recently online
56:15 <Bloodlust> that was cool
56:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
56:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd like to play something before next week to get this neg level off ava
56:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I doubt we'd get anyone to play something
56:43 <Bloodlust> I have a guy on level 11.0 though and if Avatar runs Ruby Phoenix that will put him on exactly 12 for eyes of ten
56:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well ava is 4.0
59:12 <Yuugi> Monsterhearts looks so fun~
59:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and died getting to 4.0 (one of the party members survived, and we had done the mission before we had TPKed, so she left and handed in the mission so we succeeded and got xp and rewards if we rezed)
59:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so I'm under geared, even though healbots don't require much
00:25 <Bloodlust> Maybe I should just make a healbot.  You don't see enough of them in higher tier games
00:39 <Bloodlust> They just seem so one-dimensional
00:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh, perhaps
01:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but aren't slumber hex witches one dimensional too?
01:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or face pummel barbarians?
01:52 <Bloodlust> but rolling to hit and then damage is exciting
04:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and healing is not?
04:33 <Bloodlust> I once played Kyra
04:42 <Bloodlust> most fun I had was hitting with the scimitar lol
04:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then you aren't doing it properly
05:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or just don't like being the backbone of the party
06:44 <Bloodlust> I was playing beefy Kyra lol
06:51 <Bloodlust> she did good
07:15 <Bloodlust> one guy did die though, a level 2 magus in a level 3 module ran up to the bbeg and got splatted
08:00 <Bloodlust> All of Kyra's horses and all of Kyra's men couldn't put that meat puzzle back together again.
08:32 <Bloodlust> who does healbot best?  clerics or life oracles?
09:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I prefer life oracles
09:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mainly due to life link
09:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and they also get channel
10:42 <Bloodlust> yeah life link has been handy before
11:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> can also let you know when your rogue sneaking off somewhere is getting hurt
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14:55 <Bloodlust> true
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19:49 <Bloodlust> life link puts you in a lot of danger though doesn't it?
21:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in theory
21:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but you can easily heal yourself away from the fight whilst they're in the fight
22:44 <Bloodlust> true but you could be losing 25Hp per round
23:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if that is the issue then it's one really tough fight, or one really shit team
24:06 <Bloodlust> if a fireball goes off, you're down the Hp from the spell plus possibly 25HP more from them
24:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you can turn any number of them off at once as an immediate action
25:02 <Bloodlust> oh cool
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39:58 <CardboardFox> Hey all
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42:31 <Yuugi> Hello.
43:57 <CardboardFox> I was wondering if anyone would be willing to read over my campaign setting and give me some tips
48:01 <Yuugi> Not willing to read an whole campaign setting at 3am in the morning
48:13 <Yuugi> Just signed back on to grab Monsterhearts.
48:22 <CardboardFox> Oh, haha, that's fine
48:32 <CardboardFox> Although it is less than 500 words
49:06 <Yuugi> Still too long for me. :P
49:20 <CardboardFox> Okay :)
49:30 <Yuugi> try again tomorrow at a better time.
49:43 <CardboardFox> Well where I am it's only about 8pm
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09:27 <Philderbeast> afternoot
09:31 <Philderbeast> afternoon*
09:36 <CardboardFox> Ello
10:32 <CardboardFox> Would YOU be willing to read my campaign setting?
10:41 <Philderbeast> sure
10:53 <CardboardFox> I don't want to spam the chat, so I'll query you
11:35 <Philderbeast> ok then
18:45 <Avatar> just spam the chat
18:56 <CardboardFox> As you wish
18:59 <CardboardFox> =Ignum=
18:59 <CardboardFox> -Setting the Scene-
18:59 <CardboardFox> The campaign takes place in a land known as “Ignum” where civilization is kept floating upon islands in the sky. The ground below is a wilderness, abandoned by all civilization long ago, now overrun by savages and fearsome animals. Although it a very dangerous place, it is filled with the resources that the great cities in the sky need to survive.
18:59 <CardboardFox> -Magic vs. Machine-
18:59 <CardboardFox> With the uprising of technology, magic became increasingly rare except in Vendigroth and Blackroot who actively practice it. Although arcane magic is becoming rarer, magic from divinity has held strong, and religion has kept a strong footing in many societies. It is still around in other nations but the towers devoted to learning such wizardry have been converted into vast universities, devoted to the study of technology. Technology has prospered,
18:59 <CardboardFox> -The Seven Giants-
19:00 <CardboardFox> You start on the city of “Dernholm” and although it is impressive in size, there are others of its type. There are many small towns, floating on the smaller of floating islands, though many islands are too small to support farms for settlement. Because of this, there are islands with no, or very little inhabitants, these islands are often bases for sky bandits who get their food by stealing from nearby airships. Of all the islands, there were seve
19:00 <CardboardFox> -Races-
19:00 <CardboardFox> All races are present on the sky islands, humans are the most common. Although they some live on the sky islands, half-orcs are considered savages because of their full-blooded brethren down below. Dwarves tend to live inside the islands, delving into the mass of stone. Their talents are many and they are welcomed almost anywhere, especially for their much loved plumphelmet wine. Some elves prefer to live down below, and because of their affinity 
19:00 <CardboardFox> -Where you come in-
19:00 <CardboardFox> You have been hired, along with five others, as a mercenary to scout out the world below by a wealthy businessman, named Gilbert Bates, in the floating city of “Dernholm”. This business man needs you to scout out a long abandoned mine down below and to remove all vermin it contains. This may take days but he promises to pay you handsomely, and give further jobs if you succeed.
19:43 <Avatar> is that it
19:52 <Avatar> I thought you had something to spam us with
20:00 * CardboardFox smiles
20:04 <CardboardFox> I mainly improvise
20:05 <Philderbeast> yea im waiting for the rest of it :P
20:26 <CardboardFox> But I would like some tips, or maybe some help with coming up with a BBEG
21:18 <Avatar> have you run a pre-written campaign before
21:56 <CardboardFox> Only one. I'm quite new to DMing. I've done minor campaigns before but they've never lasted long, with people coming and going
22:26 <Avatar> stick to pre-writtens until you're not new before you create one
22:37 <Avatar> that's the best tip you'll get 
27:45 <Philderbeast> *sigh* chrome keeps crashing
28:05 <Avatar> grab an IRC client
28:09 <Avatar> www.mirc.com/get.html
28:28 <Philderbeast> yea i have been meaing to 
28:36 <Avatar> chrome is telling you now's the time
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29:30 <Philderbeast> im just not a fan of MIRC
29:39 <Philderbeast> and i cant rememebr to good one i use touse
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32:42 <Avatar> x-chat?
33:27 <Philderbeast_> i thought so but dosent look like it
33:35 <Philderbeast_> might have been the older xchat-2
33:42 <Philderbeast_> ill just use this for noe
39:12 <Brunius> ICECHAT?
44:26 <Philderbeast> might have been ill do a search in a little while
49:19 <Steven> advanced fire drake finally took down a character in the Dragons Demand im running
49:56 <Steven> the fight was totally epic.
50:07 <Steven> lasted around 70 minutes
12:08 <Steven> so what you guys do today?
20:32 <Avatar> killed a dragon in real life
47:12 <Ulzef> mekkis around?
48:50 <Brunius> think he's at a con
49:09 <Ulzef> ahh kk thought tha finished yesterday 
49:48 <Ulzef> he had asked me to sign up to a game for brizzy was just gonna let him know all my games are locked in now and Ulzef and deceased are together for one game
51:16 <Ulzef> but i gotta go Gm jade reagent 
58:08 <Philderbeast> unfortunalty i wasent able to make the con here in camberra today :(]
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17:11 <Mekkis> what is a "healbot"?
17:34 <Mekkis> the problem with clerics is not their high-level acceptability - it's their low-level acceptability
23:23 <Mekkis> also, arcane mark to get a free attack is just bullshit
24:32 <Bloodlust> monks get it with a ki point, but they aren't going to crit with a shocking grasp and blow you to hell in one swing
24:52 <Bloodlust> how big is the list?
25:00 <Mekkis> but I've seem many different types of monk
25:03 <Mekkis> not just the one.
25:25 <Mekkis> not that long
26:57 <Bloodlust> okay, well I'm disagreeing with #1 and #2 and totally see your point with #3 and #5.
27:00 <Bloodlust> What's #6
27:08 <Bloodlust> ?
29:50 <Bloodlust> Or, back to the original topic.  What kind of wizard works well?  Also do you like a list of "force" spells as I've seen toppling magic missiles work really well
30:15 <Bloodlust> I'd seen people say a summoner wizard is good but surely a summoner (class) is better at that
31:47 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, with a wizard, almost any concept you come up with will work well
32:06 <Mekkis> and if it doesn't, you can easily change and fix it by altering your spell selection.
32:38 <Bloodlust> Okay, the thing I'm finding is that when I get to level 8+ I am feeling like a noob because everyone else in the party seems to be much better than me.
32:51 <Mekkis> who are you playing around?
33:00 <Bloodlust> All sorts of folks online
33:18 <Bloodlust> Though I tend to find the cheesiest builds come from Sweden
33:51 <Mekkis> and is it due to what you're playing, or how you're playing. Often when a player comes and tries to cheese the hell out of a character, it doesn't help, because the player can't play the character intelligently.
34:30 <Bloodlust> So, because I don't know how to build a caster properly, I've shied away from them
35:03 <Bloodlust> Playing intelligently is one thing I feel I do well.  I'm always planning moves/tactics with terrain and conditions in mind
35:04 <Mekkis> Either that, or that there is a conscious or unconscious decision of the other PLAYERS (and possibly the GM), to withhold aid to the character because of the way the player grates against them.
35:48 <Bloodlust> Not about my character needing aid
36:01 <Mekkis> it's happened before
36:04 <Bloodlust> and if they find me grating against them they can darn well get over it
36:54 <Mekkis> sure thing, and if you keep pestering me and annoying me, my cleric might decide that you're not worth my time to Breath of Life. You can get over it.
37:13 <Bloodlust> I can't please everyone all the time but I typically don't go out of my way to "grate" on poeple
37:27 <Bloodlust> when have a I pestered and annoyed you?
37:43 <Mekkis> I'm not saying you have
37:53 <Bloodlust> if you didn't want to have this discussion with me then you could have said so and that would have been an end to the subject
38:19 <Mekkis> I'm just saying that most of the players I know who have characters who consistently die are not entirely the kind of person you would invite to your home game.
38:28 <Mekkis> and I'm pretty sure there's a correlation
38:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he's just saying that if you piss off a healer, don't expect to get healed
38:35 <Bloodlust> I've had one character die - ever
38:43 <Bloodlust> and that was through mistakes made by the GM
38:53 <Bloodlust> and the Gm being a prick and bending things to target me
39:03 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, have you played in any of my games?
39:15 <Bloodlust> I don't remember - have I?
40:12 <Mekkis> I wanted to know how you thought my GMing style was
40:28 <Bloodlust> If I've playe din one of your games I don't remember it
40:38 <Bloodlust> can you refresh my memory if you think I have
41:00 <Mekkis> what's your PFS number?
41:05 <Bloodlust> 53968
43:11 <Mekkis> nope
43:19 <Mekkis> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AioJbWYRF9lxdFhLZXdWcnpQai14WHpDQzFyc3NDQkE#gid=3
44:00 <Bloodlust> Okay
45:06 <Bloodlust> Sorry, can't comment on your GM'ing style then.
45:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't think I have either
45:49 <Mekkis> for the record, I played 12-13 Siege of diamond city with a rogue/wizard/arcane trickster (trailing by two caster-levels), a rogue/fighter/pathfinder chronicler, a monk and a ranger.
46:44 <Bloodlust> I've not heard of seige of diamond city before
46:44 <Mekkis> we were all definitely suboptimal, but through teamwork, luck and creativity, we were strong enough, had a great time, and were the most successful table.
47:06 <Bloodlust> teamwork and tactics are essential in my opinion
47:06 <Mekkis> it's this year's special. You should come down to Melbourne next week and play it
47:26 <Bloodlust> creativity is also very important but can be shut down by some Gms
47:47 <Bloodlust> too expensive sorry
47:54 <Bloodlust> I'm on the other side of the country
48:14 <Bloodlust> besides, I have a sneaking suspicion you'd try to wipe the floor with one of my characters now lol
48:52 <Mekkis> if you have that impression, maybe you're powergaming too much
49:36 <Bloodlust> Well, you're the first person I've ever heard say that weapon cords and wrist sheaths were power gaming.
49:55 <Mekkis> but I think - if prior results are any indicator - that any given character you bring to my table has about a 99% chance of survival.
52:02 <Bloodlust> I'd be concerned that rules won't work as written or you have a different interpretation to "standard"
52:07 <Mekkis> Out of the 500 or so characters who have been sitting at my tables, only 6 have been reported dead. Of them, two were in Singapore, two were online, one was in Brisbane, and the other was in Canberra.
52:18 <Mekkis> Rules will work as written.
52:59 <Bloodlust> Well that makes a change from local Gms anyway
53:00 <Mekkis> so yeah, if you're at my table in Singapore, be you have about a 92% chance of survival, if prior history is any indicator.
53:04 <Bloodlust> Not that I play with them anymore
53:25 <Mekkis> but that's only the outcome of two games.
53:42 <Bloodlust> They seem to get a kick out of killing off PCs and consider a TPK to be a badge of honour to laugh about with the other GMs
53:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> have you run empyreal enlightenment mekkis?
53:59 <Mekkis> nope. Should I?
54:24 <Mekkis> problem with online games is there's less of an opportunity to immersively roleplay, both on the part of the GM, and the players
54:25 <Bloodlust> If the PCs get overly curious or get "into it" too much it can be very deadly
54:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I TPKed on it, and supposedly it's a hard one if you're not prepared, and there are no notions of what to prepare for
55:02 <Bloodlust> I didn't have a problem with it because I was playing a ranger who didn't like all this hoopy magic bullsh*t
55:58 <Mekkis> anyway, more con tomorrow. I'd best sleep
56:00 <Mekkis> 'night
56:11 <Bloodlust> night
56:16 <Bloodlust> I'd love to attend a con
56:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then get over to the east cost
56:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cons all up in this shiz
57:01 <Bloodlust> what tier is diamond city?
57:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 1-18 I think
57:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's a multitable event
57:19 <Bloodlust> oh, dang
57:37 <Bloodlust> I played Year of the Shadow Lodge recently online
57:40 <Bloodlust> that was cool
57:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
57:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd like to play something before next week to get this neg level off ava
58:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I doubt we'd get anyone to play something
58:08 <Bloodlust> I have a guy on level 11.0 though and if Avatar runs Ruby Phoenix that will put him on exactly 12 for eyes of ten
58:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well ava is 4.0
01:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and died getting to 4.0 (one of the party members survived, and we had done the mission before we had TPKed, so she left and handed in the mission so we succeeded and got xp and rewards if we rezed)
01:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so I'm under geared, even though healbots don't require much
01:50 <Bloodlust> Maybe I should just make a healbot.  You don't see enough of them in higher tier games
02:05 <Bloodlust> They just seem so one-dimensional
02:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh, perhaps
02:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but aren't slumber hex witches one dimensional too?
02:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or face pummel barbarians?
03:17 <Bloodlust> but rolling to hit and then damage is exciting
05:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and healing is not?
05:58 <Bloodlust> I once played Kyra
06:07 <Bloodlust> most fun I had was hitting with the scimitar lol
06:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then you aren't doing it properly
06:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or just don't like being the backbone of the party
08:09 <Bloodlust> I was playing beefy Kyra lol
08:17 <Bloodlust> she did good
08:40 <Bloodlust> one guy did die though, a level 2 magus in a level 3 module ran up to the bbeg and got splatted
09:25 <Bloodlust> All of Kyra's horses and all of Kyra's men couldn't put that meat puzzle back together again.
09:57 <Bloodlust> who does healbot best?  clerics or life oracles?
11:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I prefer life oracles
11:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mainly due to life link
11:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and they also get channel
12:07 <Bloodlust> yeah life link has been handy before
12:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> can also let you know when your rogue sneaking off somewhere is getting hurt
16:20 <Bloodlust> true
21:14 <Bloodlust> life link puts you in a lot of danger though doesn't it?
22:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in theory
23:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but you can easily heal yourself away from the fight whilst they're in the fight
24:09 <Bloodlust> true but you could be losing 25Hp per round
24:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if that is the issue then it's one really tough fight, or one really shit team
25:31 <Bloodlust> if a fireball goes off, you're down the Hp from the spell plus possibly 25HP more from them
26:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you can turn any number of them off at once as an immediate action
26:27 <Bloodlust> oh cool
18:36 <Mekkis> what is a "healbot"?
19:00 <Mekkis> the problem with clerics is not their high-level acceptability - it's their low-level acceptability
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08:59 <Mekkis> hey Philderbeast 
26:55 <Mekkis> Ulzef, I'm around now
29:59 <Avatar> WB
33:17 <Mekkis> wtf
33:31 <Mekkis> I seem to be signed up to GM Siege of the Diamond City
34:11 <Avatar> withdraw
34:21 <Avatar> DID YOU KNOW
34:25 <Avatar> if you have 3 ranks in acrobatics
34:26 <Mekkis> not really
34:31 <Avatar> when you use total defense, you get a +6 bonus
34:34 <Mekkis> +3 when fighting defensively?
34:35 <Mekkis> yes
34:41 <Avatar> why didn't someone tell me 
34:42 <Mekkis> I thought it was only two
34:51 <Mekkis> two ranks
34:52 <Avatar> +2 on top of the original +4
34:58 <Mekkis> it's a carryover from 3.5e
34:59 <Avatar> no 3 ranks
35:07 <Mekkis> remember Skill Synergies?
35:11 <Avatar> what, tumble had it?
35:20 <Mekkis> yep
35:25 <Avatar> I think that is a lie
35:55 <Avatar> oh my god you're right
36:00 <Avatar> how did I not notice that before
36:11 <Avatar> I guess I would usually put only 1 rank in tumble
38:10 <Mekkis> PHB p84
38:13 <Mekkis>    Special: If you have 5 or more ranks in Tumble, you gain a +3
38:13 <Mekkis> dodge bonus to AC when fighting defensively instead of the usual
38:13 <Mekkis> +2 dodge bonus to AC (see Fighting Defensively, page 140).
38:13 <Mekkis>    If you have 5 or more ranks in Tumble, you gain a +6 dodge bonus
38:13 <Mekkis> to AC when executing the total defense standard action instead of
38:13 <Mekkis> the usual +4 dodge bonus to AC (see Total Defense, page 142).
38:13 <Mekkis>    If you have the Acrobatic feat, you get a +2 bonus on
38:13 <Mekkis> Tumble checks.
38:23 <Avatar> yeah I already said you're right
38:44 <Mekkis> I'm not going to let your concession get in the way of my copy-paste
38:53 <Avatar> no need to rub it in
39:15 <Mekkis> I told a really dirty joke to a satyr today
39:46 <Mekkis> and Al Rigg broke Pathfinder
40:12 <Avatar> Al Rigg didn't break pathfinder
40:17 <Mekkis> yes he did
40:20 <Mekkis> and we all agreed
40:28 <Avatar> no I don't think he did
40:35 <Avatar> maybe the tumble rule is in 3.5
40:40 <Avatar> but al didn't break pathfinder
41:39 <Mekkis> I was playing at a table with Al Rigg, Matt Goodall, with Andrei GMing
42:15 <Mekkis> Al Rigg did 220 damage in one dound
42:33 <Avatar> magus?
42:40 <Mekkis> nope
42:45 <Mekkis> archer-cleric of desna
42:54 <Avatar> forget desna
43:00 <Avatar> cayden cailean 4eva
44:21 <Mekkis> 4 attacks, 4 crits, 220 damage
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48:46 <philderbeast3> anyone interested in a game?
52:53 <Mekkis> I wonder if Ulzef would appreciate Buck being his C130...
52:56 <Mekkis> umm
52:57 <Mekkis> AC130
53:58 <Avatar> what is an AC130
55:09 <Avatar> I'm gonna go admixture school on my wizard, I've decided
55:38 <Mekkis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130
56:05 <Avatar> not sure what you're trying to say
56:08 <Avatar> DID YOU KNOW
56:22 <Avatar> half-elves can take human or elf feats/traits/etc
56:27 <Mekkis> yes
56:33 <Avatar> how did you know
56:35 <Avatar> is that a 3.5 carryover
56:46 <Mekkis> I played a half elf in a goodall scenario
56:57 <Avatar> what did you take that was elven or human
56:57 <Mekkis> there was a ranger with favoured enemy human
57:31 <Mekkis> it full-attacked Mytiazair and killed him
58:59 <Mekkis> Avatar, a flying gunship that does on the order of 250-300 damage per round, maybe more
59:53 <Avatar> Buck isn't a gunship
00:14 <Mekkis> sure, but the flying and the doing on the order of 250-300 damage per rounds isn't hard
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12:59 <Sutekh> Hola
13:08 <Mekkis> ahl
13:10 <Mekkis> o
14:42 <Avatar> yo
15:08 <Avatar> are you going to any of the cons sutekh
15:35 <Sutekh> Not Paizocon. Maybe if I had known about it a couple of months back
15:42 <Sutekh> But Its too late in the piece to get time off
16:01 <Avatar> how about unicon
16:04 <Sutekh> Ive already booked tickets for Melbourne for next year so definetly Arcanacon
16:10 <Avatar> nice
16:17 <Sutekh> Not Unicon n
16:27 <Avatar> better arcanacon anyway
16:28 <Sutekh> I generally only go to Melb once a year
16:29 <Mekkis> you missed out on Canberra Springcon
17:02 <Sutekh> I used to go more times when my Grandparents were still alive but they both passed , so no.. not a whole lot of reasons to go there
17:11 <Sutekh> I enjoy Arc though
17:31 <Sutekh> My only regret is having played Siege of the Diamond city already.
17:42 <Mekkis> it won't be running at arcanacon
17:49 <Sutekh> no?
17:57 <Mekkis> it's running at unicon
18:03 <Mekkis> it Might be running at Paizocon
18:19 <Sutekh> ahh
18:20 <Mekkis> but given that it ran at Springcon, it's running at the sydney con, and at unicon
18:38 <Mekkis> there won't be many players who haven't played it by then - except for the Brisbane players
18:41 <Sutekh> Springcon being the sydney con?
19:01 <Mekkis> Springcon being the canberra con that finished today
19:31 <Sutekh> We had some PFS guests on Saturday turn up out of the blue. An ex VL from over east and some guy who apparently ran the first Eyes of the Ten sweep in australia
19:38 <Sutekh> apparently he has been living in South Africa
19:41 <Sutekh> but just moved to Perth
19:51 <Mekkis> have you met Bloodlust?
20:00 <Sutekh> Sounds like a Wrestler
20:05 <Sutekh> I dont think so
20:05 <Mekkis> he's another Perth guy who comes in here
20:14 <Mekkis> he doesn't like the Perth PFS scene :S
20:19 <Sutekh> I might know him by his... real name
20:27 <Sutekh> Sucks to be him then
20:29 <Sutekh> I like it
20:39 <Sutekh> Perhaps hes some douchey powergamer
20:44 <Sutekh> who dosnt like roleplaying
21:47 <Sutekh> You can really tell the people who optimise for combat when you are playing Blakros Matrimony or the latest Hellknights feast
21:51 <Mekkis> I haven't played with him
21:52 <Sutekh> must be real boring for them
22:29 <Sutekh> Although I must admit Im having some problems with prompting for faction missions when Im running season 5 stuff
22:54 <Mekkis> played Hellknight's Feast today, it was good, and highlighted just how much better I can get at roleplaying
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23:18 <Sutekh> I just ran Wardstone patrol and .... they didnt get full prestige and the cheliaxians didnt get the boon
23:47 <Mekkis> I've never seen the Chels get the boon
24:40 <Sutekh> They actually got close by accident
24:48 <Mekkis> fair enought
24:56 <Sutekh> One of them was a Wizard and was interested in the arcane powers of the Failing Wardstones
25:01 <Sutekh> as well as the working ones
25:02 <Sutekh> flaws etc
25:21 <Sutekh> Which was actually 1/3 of the requirement for the boon
25:31 <Sutekh> They didnt do anything about the other 2 though
26:01 <Mekkis> did they get D1 or D2
26:14 <Sutekh> THey SAVED 4/8!
26:17 <Mekkis> I ran it three times so far: two D1s and a D2.
26:19 <Sutekh> so 1 prestige lost ...
26:30 <Sutekh> cause you needed 5/8
26:31 <Mekkis> and played it, getting D1
26:42 <Sutekh> i havnt actually played it yet ..
27:31 <Sutekh> The way I see it Mekkis.. 9/10 out of 10 the party are going to be her heros and volunteer for the mission
27:40 <Mekkis> heh
27:40 <Sutekh> D2 would be next to unlikely
27:48 <Sutekh> Heroism being contagious
27:50 <Mekkis> D2's the 'bad' one?
27:55 <Sutekh> One person wants in, he will push the rest in
28:04 <Sutekh> and they will all 'volunteer'
28:13 <Mekkis> yeah
28:19 <Mekkis> but it also requires EPs
28:19 <Sutekh> Bad? 1 Bad vs 3-4 bad?
28:26 <Sutekh> Depends on your definition of bad
28:30 <Mekkis> which is also required...
28:56 <Mekkis> sorr
28:57 <Mekkis> sorry
29:00 <Mekkis> I was wrong
29:16 <Mekkis> when I played it, I got D2. When I ran it, two out of three times they got D2
29:30 <Sutekh> If the PCs have gathered fewer than 2 Empathy Points
29:31 <Sutekh> or decided not to rescue the soldiers,
29:36 <Sutekh> or
29:38 <Mekkis> spoilers
30:05 <Sutekh> Everyone else.. close your eyes!
30:07 <Sutekh> :)
30:15 <Sutekh> nevermind, I will spoil no more..
30:30 <Yuugi> PMs, dude
30:33 <Sutekh> Anyway, I did kinda like explaining the worldwound too
30:40 <Sutekh> THe visuals
30:42 <Mekkis> PM
30:43 <Mekkis> yeah
30:50 <Sutekh> Thats not spolering though
31:04 <Mekkis> I have a vinyl printout of the Sarkoran Prophesy map
31:09 <Sutekh> Its an extension of the Abyss, things go nuts
31:12 <Sutekh> I had blood rain
31:16 <Sutekh> i had firestorms in the sky
31:28 <Sutekh> Mirages, images of loved ones
36:27 <Yuugi> <_<
39:57 <Sutekh> The worldwound book is a good read
40:29 <Sutekh> I had a few people new to gaming in general and Golario mostly so I did spend some time talking about the Tapestry, Aspis and the Worldwound
40:37 <Sutekh> One guy didnt know what a Balor was
44:38 <Yuugi> repurposed Balrog
45:27 <Sutekh> Thats what I said
45:34 <Sutekh> I then brough the Pawn out to show
45:49 <Sutekh> Its funny, he knew what a Pit Fiend was.. just not a Balor
47:20 <Mekkis>  It is a period of system war. User programs, striking from a hidden directory, have won their first victory against the evil Administrative Empire. During the battle, User spies managed to steal secret source code to the Empire's ultimate program: the Are-Em Star, a privileged root program with enough power to destroy an entire file structure. Pursued by the Empire's sinister audit trail, Princess _LPA0: races aboard her shell script, custodian of the 
47:20 <Mekkis> stolen listings that could save her people, and restore freedom and games to the network...
47:20 <Mekkis> As we enter the scene, an Administrative Multiplexer is trying to kill (I) a consulate ship. Many of their signals have gotten through, and RS232 decides it's time to fork off a new process before this old ship is destroyed. His companion, 3CPU, is following him only because RS232 appears to know where he's going...
47:20 <Mekkis> "I'm going to regret this!" cried 3CPU, as he followed RS232 into the buffer. RS232 closed the pipes, made the sys call, and their process detached itself from the burning shell of the ship.
47:20 <Mekkis> The commander of the Administrative Multiplexer was quite pleased with the attack. "Another process just forked, sir. Instructions?" asked the lieutenant.
47:20 <Mekkis> "Hold your fire. That last power failure must have caused a trap through zero. It's not using any cpu time, so don't waste a signal on it." 
47:45 <Sutekh> err
48:12 <Mekkis>  "We can't seem to find the data file anywhere, Lord Vadic."
48:12 <Mekkis> "What about that forked process? It could have been holding the channel open, and just pausing. If any links exist, I want them removed or made inaccessable. Ncheck the entire file system 'til it's found, and nice it -20 if you have to." 
50:04 <Yuugi> what the heck
51:32 <Sutekh> I dont know either Yuugi. Either Mekkis is a part time fanfic writer who writes about his bizarro Star Wars universe or this is the start of some large joke with a end punchline
51:36 <Sutekh> Im waiting for the rest
52:13 <Sutekh> Hello Yuugi btw. Are you a Melburnian also?
52:53 <Yuugi> nope
52:56 <Yuugi> Other side of the world
53:38 <Sutekh> ... Jamaica?
53:56 <Yuugi> Canada
54:08 <Sutekh> Are you a Canadian or a Canadien?
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33:30 <Bloodlust> yo
34:17 <Brunius> sup
34:25 <Bloodlust> not much
34:30 <Bloodlust> holidays and nothing happening
36:35 <Philderbeast> hey
36:53 <Bloodlust> ho
37:18 <Brunius> what can I say
39:59 <Bloodlust> can't help it, every time it takes me back to that Naughty by Nature song
40:57 <Bloodlust> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA2_-eQ26tY
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