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00:49:51 <Yuugi> Hi.
00:50:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yo
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01:29:25 <ReaperSage> hey everyone, all set for tonight?
01:31:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think it's sunday morning for about half of the players (including the GM)
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01:41:46 <ReaperSage> 9pm for me
01:41:58 <ReaperSage> either way about 9 hours
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03:27:36 <Steven> yo
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03:36:29 <Steven> sup yuugi
03:36:37 <Yuugi> yo
03:38:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there has to be a 1-5, 2 5-9 and a 7-11 at unicon next weekend on the friday
03:38:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no 3-7
03:52:59 <Yuugi> :\
03:54:10 <Steven> is that a problem?
03:54:20 <Yuugi> No
03:56:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it is for me mainly because the 1-5 session is full of level 1 or 2s, and I want to get some gold for my resurrected level 4
04:08:34 <ReaperSage> Im trying to level as fast as I can
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05:21:53 <Yuugi> Mrre
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06:10:09 <Avatar> either an android one, or maybe Grimoire for windows 8
06:10:19 <Bloodlust> your class level = full BAB, plus your casting ability score = your strength score
06:10:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I believe so
06:10:21 <Avatar> I'm too slack to load up my laptop to check if Grimoire can doit
06:10:31 <Bloodlust> so you should level with the fighters with this
06:10:40 <Avatar> for toppling spell, yeah
06:10:58 <Avatar> I don't know how people get 30 int scores
06:11:02 <Avatar> or cha scores
06:11:17 <Steven> easy.
06:11:19 <Steven> start with 20
06:11:28 <Bloodlust> iuon stones shouldn't stack with headbands should they?
06:11:29 <Steven> +6 item
06:11:35 <Steven> they dont stack
06:11:35 <Avatar> headband
06:11:48 <Steven> +2 from leveling
06:11:57 <Bloodlust> that's 28
06:12:01 <Steven> +2 book
06:12:06 <Bloodlust> book?
06:12:15 <Avatar> book boons give you +2 to an ability score?
06:12:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tome of intellect
06:12:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> expensive as fuck
06:12:27 <Steven> tome of intellect/strength... whatever
06:12:32 <Avatar> who can afford tomes in PFS
06:12:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> +1-5
06:12:35 <Steven> 27.5k each or round abouds
06:12:41 <Avatar> aren't they inherent bonuses
06:12:50 <Steven> they are inherent bonuses
06:12:59 <Avatar> where do people get this kind of cash
06:13:05 <Avatar> constant playing up?
06:13:14 <Avatar> guys we've been doing this all wrong
06:13:22 <Avatar> from now on I will just softball all the scenarios and you guys should always play up
06:13:26 <Avatar> think of the gp
06:13:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> modules give people a lot of dosh
06:13:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> at once
06:13:35 <Bloodlust> dang, very pricey
06:13:39 <Avatar> I don't think so man
06:13:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> level 8 modules give about 50-60k
06:13:52 <Avatar> crypt of the everflame didn't
06:13:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe a bit less
06:13:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> really?
06:14:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok, I was a bit off
06:14:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nvm
06:14:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> by a bit I mean 100% increase off
06:14:25 <Bloodlust> no way
06:14:37 <Bloodlust> thornkeep didn't give anything near that
06:14:45 <Steven> there is no more playing up
06:14:51 <Avatar> yeah it was a joke
06:14:55 <Avatar> how much exp do you get from a module?
06:14:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 3
06:15:00 <Bloodlust> 3
06:15:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> except for the 3 low level one
06:15:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ones*
06:15:06 <Bloodlust> 4 prestige
06:15:14 <Avatar> okay, crypt of the everflame, at tier 10-11, gives a little over 19k
06:15:18 <Steven> currently my wizard is maximized for int, and hes got a 32 int
06:15:25 <Avatar> for 3 exp, that's terrible
06:15:33 <Avatar> you could play 3 tier 10-11 scenarios and get about 25k
06:15:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but yea, even a level 14 one (from skulls and shackles AP) only gives 55k
06:16:02 <Avatar> it's the same at tier 1-2, you get 1.2k with CotE; normally that'd be 1.6k with scenarios
06:16:30 <Bloodlust> modules pay less gold/prestige but it's done in one long session
06:16:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and you only get 4PP
06:16:43 <Bloodlust> but much shorter than three standard games
06:16:43 <Avatar> none of this 50-60k garbage
06:16:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> where as now you basically get 2PP per non season 5 scenario
06:19:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so modules give worse end rewards? so
06:20:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> PFS shouldn't be just about the rewards, otherwise you're just as bad as the minmaxers
06:21:06 <Bloodlust> I think min-max is a dirty term
06:21:15 <Bloodlust> I prefer the term, "Optimised"
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06:21:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I believe they are different, thus I said minmaxers
06:21:43 <Bloodlust> Does anyone look at the Australian SAS with all of the best gear and training money can buy and call them "min-max"?
06:21:55 <Bloodlust> They are optimised to hell
06:22:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I bet they are optimised
06:22:32 <Bloodlust> Some times not the sharpest tools in the shed and they are often lacking extensively in charisma lol
06:23:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but if they specifically chose people with the right genes and groomed them from birth, then that'd be minmaxing
06:23:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and some players make characters like that
06:23:23 <Bloodlust> I see pathfinders as exactly the same. Why would you go into battle that you know will be dangerous underprepared?
06:24:10 <Bloodlust> That includes stat, class(es), feat and equipment purchases
06:24:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> minmaxers are those who going into a scenario to be overtly powerful in one aspect, but extremely useless in others
06:25:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you see them at games time to time
06:25:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they will kill the BBEG in one round, but will do fuck all the rest of the scenario
06:25:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> those are min maxers
06:25:21 <Bloodlust> So the downside I see to the "Bonded Witch" is that you don't get any benefit from your familiar (eg. greensting scorpion giving you +4 initiative)
06:25:42 <Bloodlust> They also tend to fail their faction missions
06:25:49 <Bloodlust> back when we had them lol
06:25:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or someone who can dish out 40+ damage on average, but doesn't involve themselves in any social or skill based event, that is a minmaxer
06:26:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and since there are no faction missions anymore, it gives even more reason to play them, since the skill requirements are no longer there
06:26:57 <Bloodlust> yeah, my samurai has maxed diplomacy with a charisma score of 8 lol\
06:27:19 <Bloodlust> 11 levels in a skill because it was often the most called upon in faction missions
06:28:05 <Bloodlust> oh, you also can't get improved familiar
06:28:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> my oracle is very diplomatic, yet is deaf
06:28:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so that's quite lels
06:34:24 <Steven> alright im back.
06:37:42 <Steven> so my Rage prophet is going to go from level 2 to level 6 on wednesday i think.
06:37:53 <Steven> i doubt we are gonna finish two modules tomorrow.
06:40:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ??
06:40:31 <Bloodlust> ???
06:40:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you adding GM credit willy nilly?
06:40:38 <Steven> rage prophet, its a barbarian oracle
06:40:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes I know that
06:41:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean how are you getting from 2 to 6 that fast I mean
06:41:20 <Steven> we playing dragons demand
06:41:55 <Steven> play it all you get 4 levels.
06:42:06 <Steven> if you apply all the sheets to the same character
06:42:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes but don't you get them in chunks
06:42:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not at once
06:42:34 <Steven> we decided to play it in campaign mode
06:42:44 <Bloodlust> I'm definitely up for dragon's demand
06:42:47 <Steven> so we will get all the sheets at the conclusion of the game.
06:43:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you actually get them once you complete the sanction part
06:44:52 <Steven> its almost like... we all decided to just report it all when we finish the campaign.
06:44:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, that's not allowed
06:45:06 <Steven> yeah... it is allowed.
06:45:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> technically
06:45:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you can't just report when it is advantageous to you
06:45:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> same with GM credit
06:46:08 <Steven> I know of a VC that holds on to all the reporting sheets until 1 month go by before he reports them into Paizo.
06:46:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you apply it once you get it, the only lenience is when it's with people new to PFS who are playing an AP (or AP like, such as dragon's demand)
06:46:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so? not all VCs/VLs do stuff currect
06:46:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> correct*
06:46:56 <Steven> every other week he sits down with mike brock to play games.
06:47:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so?
06:48:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you didn't play your rage prohpet (or eventual rage prophet) whilst you were doing dragon's demand to give it xp, then there isn't really an issue
06:48:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you did though, then there is probably an issue
06:48:22 <Steven> so if it was that big of a deal, im sure mike would have said something.
06:48:49 <Steven> also, we are playing campaign mode, the session isnt over until the campaign is done.
06:49:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you get the sheet once the sanction part is done
06:49:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's the same rules for APs
06:49:36 <Steven> okay lets try this a different way...
06:49:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no need
06:49:47 <Steven> Hi, i know what im doing... who are you?
06:50:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I said no need
06:50:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> people will continue to bend the rules to their favour, whilst others won't
06:50:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> since most of PFS is a honor system, there is little enforceable stuff without going completely strict and dictational over everything
06:51:24 <Steven> oh my god, dude here let me go link you something
06:51:48 <Steven> Players who play through the entire module (not just the sanctioned portions) using the alternate play option detailed above and apply all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society character earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be applied to that character
06:52:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yes, you earn a 4th
06:52:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but so?
06:52:44 <Steven> i dont see how you are not getting this. They are playing campaign mode.
06:52:52 <Steven> they are not playing pfs characters.
06:52:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that doesn't state you add the first 3 at the same time as adding the 4th
06:53:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I know how modules work
06:53:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean APs*
06:53:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> once you finish a sanctioned portion, you get a chronicle sheet you must then immediately apply to a character
06:54:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you do this for all 3 for that specific AP/module on the same pfs character, you gain an additional chronicle sheet to apply to that character
06:56:08 <Bloodlust> help me out here guys...
06:56:14 <Bloodlust> Bonded Witch, good or bad?
06:56:24 <Bloodlust> Looking at possibly "wand" for bonded item
06:56:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> are you going to put feats on your familiar?
06:56:26 <Steven> meh
06:56:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wait bonded, that's the item one isn't it?
06:56:45 <Bloodlust> yes
06:56:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> staff is the best
06:57:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> half price expensive staff at lvl 8+ is golden
06:57:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ask mekkis, he'll agree staves are great bonded items
06:57:27 <Bloodlust> how's that?
06:57:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> bonded items cost half for the first enchantment on them
06:58:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so if the first enchantment is a 120k staff enchant, it'll only cost you 60k
06:58:20 <Bloodlust> now it says you get one free at first level
06:58:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what free?
06:59:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you get a wooden stick at first level
06:59:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which I believe counts as masterwork
07:00:17 <Bloodlust> yeah, trying to figure out how all this works
07:00:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I would like it if oracles could get a bonded item some how
07:00:33 <Bloodlust> don't want my witch getting into combat so staves are not so good
07:00:38 <Bloodlust> unless I'm missing something?
07:00:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they can get a mount, so why not?
07:00:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ask mekkis, he knows a lot more about bonded items
07:01:37 <Steven> um, the staff doesnt mean you have to attack with a staff.
07:01:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you just must wield it to cast spells
07:01:58 <Bloodlust> cheapest magic staff is expensive
07:02:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> otherwise you have a 20% chance to fail
07:02:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> think about the long run
07:02:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> half price staff
07:02:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wand, half price wand, woop
07:03:15 <Bloodlust> where is the half price bit?
07:04:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> !bonded item
07:04:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> damn
07:04:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard#TOC-Arcane-Bond-Ex-or-Sp-
07:06:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> again, ask mekkis, he'd know
07:06:45 <Bloodlust> I don't think he is around
07:06:59 <Bloodlust> frack man, casters are confusing to build
07:08:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> can be
07:08:29 <Steven> i want a grilled cheese, brb
07:08:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus I like oracle, so easy, yet so many options
07:09:09 <Bloodlust> I mean I guess I could make one easy enough but there are so many options and once you make some choices they can really hamstring you
07:09:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
07:14:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I should be leveling my life oracle now, but I have like no gold to play with
07:14:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and no magical items spare a CLW wand a shining wayfinder
07:14:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I just hit level 4, stupid death
07:16:27 <Bloodlust> looks like he should be a death oracle
07:17:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> huehuehue
07:24:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if only
07:42:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is having an AC of 17 instead of 15 that big a deal at level 4?
07:43:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or are both equally useless
07:55:41 <Bloodlust> very useless
07:55:43 <Bloodlust> :(
07:56:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
07:56:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> good level 2 healing spells?
07:56:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've already got cure mod (get it for free) and I'm not sure if lesser restoration is worth it as my first spell
07:57:16 <Bloodlust> lesser resto is good but I buy it in wand form
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23:27:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, you interested in playing Waking Rune with John and myself next Saturday?
23:27:27 <Mekkis> (not on Hard Mode, because we're not that dumb)
23:29:42 <Mekkis> and Spaceshot_tm2_, regarding GP reward for modules, you're not 100% off. You must have really fucked up your appraise check
23:30:08 <Mekkis> You get 45000gp for completing a level 13 module.
23:30:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey, I've looked through like all the APs and modules in the past week
23:30:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the numbers were all over the place, and thus were in my head
23:31:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so is waking the rune going to be on unicon?
23:31:13 <Mekkis> perhaps
23:31:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm still not 100% on playing a module at unicon, I just know that I'll get a level out of it
23:31:24 <Mekkis> do you have a 10-11?
23:31:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> didn't realise waking the rune was 10-11
23:31:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nvm then
23:32:37 <Bloodlust> Hey mekkis, apparently you're the one to talk to about building a wizard/witch?
23:32:42 <Mekkis> one of the necessary evils of organised play is the players who try and work out expected rewards.
23:32:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he has 2 wizards
23:32:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or partial wizards
23:32:51 <Mekkis> yeah. Build a wizard, not a witch
23:33:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he's looking at bonded witch
23:33:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so he still gets the half price staff
23:33:15 <Mekkis> Build a wizard, not a witch
23:33:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you mean the class, or just build like a wizard
23:33:47 <Mekkis> I mean the class
23:33:56 <Bloodlust> do tell :)
23:34:06 <Bloodlust> hexes seem pretty cool
23:34:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is it because witch's don't have a viable damage spell list
23:34:13 <Mekkis> I am Telling you to build a wizard, not a witch
23:34:16 <Bloodlust> but the DCs are lower than spells - then again they don't run out
23:34:37 <Bloodlust> why are you telling me that? lol
23:34:42 <Mekkis> no, it's because witches are antisocial parasites stuck in a cookie-cutter mould.
23:35:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not every witch goes slumber hex
23:35:07 <Bloodlust> Iwould
23:35:11 <Bloodlust> why not
23:35:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok
23:35:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea go wiz
23:35:57 <Bloodlust> so it is just witch hate then?
23:36:00 <Mekkis> no
23:36:08 <Bloodlust> or are wizards actually better?
23:36:18 <Mekkis> they are definitely better
23:36:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wizards are more versitile
23:36:24 <Mekkis> they're better accepted
23:36:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> by a long shot
23:36:31 <Mekkis> they're more flexible
23:36:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> witches are usually seen as being either OP hexes that make everyone else useless, or extremely shit hexes that everyone laughs at you for taking
23:36:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> both people don't like at a table
23:37:24 <Bloodlust> Is this like gunslinger hate?
23:37:26 <Mekkis> they're powerful enough to survive, but not broken, yet varied enough to portray your own concept
23:37:53 <Mekkis> Gunslingers are #4
23:38:05 <Mekkis> I have a List
23:38:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis, wizards aren't broken because the baseline of being broken in PFS is being better than a wizard of the same level
23:39:03 <Mekkis> I'm going to somewhat disagree with you there
23:39:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sure there is some finer specifications, but that is the general consenus
23:39:39 <Bloodlust> so what is 1-4?
23:39:53 <Mekkis> #1 is Spring loaded wrist sheath
23:39:54 <Bloodlust> slingers are 4
23:40:00 <Mekkis> #2 is Weapon Cord
23:40:01 <Bloodlust> what's 1-3??
23:40:03 <Mekkis> #3 is Rogue
23:40:25 <Bloodlust> firsttwo will be found on any PFS player with even a tiny portion of a brain
23:40:28 <Bloodlust> why rogue?
23:40:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> weapon cord is funny, wrist sheath makes no sense though
23:41:03 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, you've just insulted about 95% of the players who turned up at the con today.
23:41:16 <Mekkis> including myself.
23:41:25 <Mekkis> I would appreciate an apology.
23:41:30 <Bloodlust> how can you not use a weapon cord?
23:41:36 <Bloodlust> that crazy
23:41:52 <Bloodlust> *that's
23:42:16 <Mekkis> if you don't want enemies to get a +5 circumstance bonus to CMB against you under most circumstances?
23:42:50 <Bloodlust> how's that?
23:43:04 <Mekkis> you're swinging a cord in front of them
23:43:15 <Mekkis> want to grapple? Something easy to grab!
23:43:20 <Mekkis> want to trip? Free leverage!
23:43:47 <Bloodlust> umm, no
23:43:56 <Bloodlust> nothing in rules that backs that up
23:43:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you also can't 5ft step if you're too far from the dropped weapon right?
23:44:17 <Mekkis> GMs are allowed to assign circumstance bonuses for favourable conditions
23:44:42 <Bloodlust> +1 I would give without argument - a +5 I'd leave the table and send a complaint email
23:45:00 <Bloodlust> That's ludicrous
23:45:05 <Mekkis> I'd be thankful for you leaving the table.
23:45:25 <Mekkis> and I have spoken to my VC regarding it. He thinks it's reasonable.
23:45:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also at his table you'd have to explain why your weapon in the springloaded wrist sheath actually fits
23:45:36 <Bloodlust> Because I'd object to your taking your item hate out with an insane negative?
23:45:42 <Mekkis> it's not a negative
23:45:49 <Mekkis> it's a positive!
23:45:59 <Bloodlust> weapons don't go into spring-loadd wrist sheaths - that's for wands
23:46:09 <Mekkis> If an NPC has a weapon cord, then you're welcome to do the same!
23:46:15 <Mekkis> and I'll GLADLY give you a +5
23:46:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how does a wand fit in it?
23:46:28 <Bloodlust> name one sactioned scenario
23:46:50 <Bloodlust> where the NPC has a weapon cord
23:46:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> name one sanctioned scenario where an NPC has a wand in a springloaded wrist sheath?
23:47:06 <Mekkis> if NPCs don't use it, why should PCs get to?
23:47:36 <Bloodlust> there are hundreds of items in PFS, I would say many dozens have never been used by NPCs
23:47:53 <Bloodlust> why should PCs? Because it's on the legal list of things to buy
23:48:07 <Mekkis> and you can buy it
23:48:34 <Mekkis> but... you can suffer the consequences of tying a 2' long rope to your weapon as you wave it around!
23:49:20 <Bloodlust> I'm trying to find the rule
23:49:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the cord isn't wrapped around the weapon nicely and just magically unravelling when needed (to dangle it)
23:49:40 <Bloodlust> I doubt I'll find anything that justifies a +5 modifier, but I'd like tos ee for myself in case I'm wrong
23:50:36 <Mekkis> tracking during a snowstorm
23:51:42 <Mekkis> but I'd still like an apology
23:51:59 <Bloodlust> In response to how a wand fits in a wrist sheath, "The sheath can hold one forearm-length item, such as a dagger, dart, or wand, or up to five arrows or crossbow bolts."
23:52:07 <Mekkis> given how you've pretty much insulted the entire Canberra PFS player scene
23:52:09 <Bloodlust> I think it's insane not to have one
23:52:19 <Mekkis> and most of the respected Melbourne GMs
23:52:22 <Bloodlust> if you're a melee character
23:52:34 <Bloodlust> Well, that's my opinion.
23:52:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> was stephen at springcon?
23:52:40 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, how long is your forearm
23:52:54 <Mekkis> no, but Ryan, John, ANdrei are here
23:52:57 <Bloodlust> holdon, I'll get a tape measure
23:53:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, oh yea he was running a game at good games now
23:53:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean today
23:53:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that reminds me, are tonfa (and hopefully bladed kinds) in pathfinder?
23:53:50 <Bloodlust> wrist to elbow = 13 inches
23:55:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how long are your arms? fuck
23:55:03 <Bloodlust> Out of interest is that a common interpretation of the rules in Canberra to give a +5 modifier for actions when using a weapon cord?
23:55:20 <Bloodlust> I'm two metres tall
23:55:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
23:55:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how long is a wand generally?
23:55:57 <Bloodlust> Or just your ruling
23:56:00 <Mekkis> 12"
23:56:20 <Mekkis> Have you SEEN a spring-loaded wrist sheath?
23:56:26 <Mekkis> they do exist you know
23:56:38 <Mekkis> but, even with today's advanced technology...
23:56:38 <Bloodlust> Physical Description: A wand is 6 to 12 inches long, 1/4 inch thick, and weighs no more than 1 ounce.
23:56:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> doesn't it use a poinard or similar knife/dagger
23:56:57 <Mekkis> - They can only hold the knife they're specifically designed for
23:57:16 <Mekkis> - The knife they're designed for is rarely longer than 100mm
23:57:29 <Mekkis> - They're complex, expensive and fragile
23:57:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sure, in thoery they could be used with a specific wand
23:57:56 <Bloodlust> So much in fantasy games doesn't stack up to real life physics.
23:57:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but not to chop and change wands willy nilly
23:58:02 <Mekkis> - They're horribly dangerous, and they can spring open by accident quite frequently
23:58:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> actually, a lot of dnd is made to replicate real life where possible
23:58:14 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, this is a MUNDANE ITEM we're talking about.
23:58:29 <Bloodlust> as is a double-barrel rifle
23:58:52 <Bloodlust> want to do a search on the forums for the arguments over that one regarding range
23:59:03 <Mekkis> and hey
23:59:11 <Bloodlust> Thankfully I started a thread that eventually got noticed and now it is FAQ'ed
23:59:26 <Mekkis> in PFS, you're already out-actioning the enemy about three to one. You don't need to cheese your actions even more
23:59:56 <Bloodlust> CR is usually +3 to the party level isn't it?
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