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00:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ahh
00:52 <Brunius|M> -R, not +r
01:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how do you do -r?
03:19 <Brunius|M> I'd try /mode  Spaceshot_tm2_ -R
06:03 <Darkkapow> I want an Oread race boon i think.
06:14 <Darkkapow> Oread battle cleric or summoner.
09:09 <Bloodlust> I'd kill for any race boon - or even a chance to one day get one
09:49 <Brunius|M> So mentioning I lost a nagaji boon wouldn't go down well?
13:34 <Bloodlust> lost it?
14:01 <Brunius|M> I think it's sitting on my floor somewhere
14:11 <Bloodlust> I managed to play in an online game of Year of the Shadow Lodge, but didn't get anything
14:21 <Bloodlust> That's the closest I've ever come to any kind of boon
14:30 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, you should go to Paizoconoz
14:51 <Bloodlust> when/where?
15:29 <Darkkapow> Brisbane November 1/2/3
15:49 <Bloodlust> Middle of term unfortunately
15:56 <Bloodlust> I'm a teacher
16:30 <Bloodlust> :(
16:50 <Brunius|M> I have an exam in October 31st, and Mekkis still wants me to go
17:08 <Mekkis> I have work on the 1st, and I'm still going
17:14 <Bloodlust> I wouldn't get there until after the Friday games were all done and I'd have to leave mid-way through Sunday to get home to Perth
17:41 <Mekkis> I'm leaving Monday morning
17:48 <Mekkis> and going into work on Monday
18:10 <Bloodlust> So with flights, accommodation, etc I guess it'd be about $1000 for a day's gaming
18:27 <Mekkis> I'm paying $400 for flights
18:34 <Bloodlust> I'm guessing you live on the east coast
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19:19 <Mekkis> nope
19:19 <Bloodlust> Was it you who was in Canberra?
19:22 <Mekkis> yeah
19:42 <Bloodlust> well close enough to east coast for someone from perth lol
20:01 <Mekkis> hey, I need to pay the "Canberra tax" every time I fly
20:10 <Bloodlust> we call everything east of Adelaide "east coast"
20:24 <Bloodlust> tax?
21:18 <Mekkis> for some reason flights from or to Canberra are twice the price as ones to or from melbourne or sydney
21:28 <Brunius|M> The product of low demand
21:33 <Bloodlust> and half the price of Perth lol
21:38 <Mekkis> incorrect
21:52 <Mekkis> you could get to Paizoconoz for about $100 less than I paid
21:54 <Brunius|M> Well, and everyone in Canberra being rich
22:02 <Bloodlust> lol
22:25 <Bloodlust> It just isn't worth it for one day of gaming unfortunately
23:27 <Darkkapow> the schedule for that 1 day include siege of the diamond gate :P
23:45 <Bloodlust> Now if they managed to do one of these things during school holidays - then you're talking.
23:59 <Bloodlust> yeah, my tpk scenario - yay
24:04 <Darkkapow> :P
24:04 <Mekkis> Darkkapow, what are you waiting for?
24:14 <Darkkapow> what am I waiting for?
24:15 <Mekkis> Con in Brisbane over Christmas!
24:22 <Mekkis> 27th to 30th
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24:44 <Bloodlust> seriously?
24:55 <Darkkapow> I should really know about that shouldn't I XP Guess an extra bit to talk about with daniel tomorrow
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24:59 <Mekkis> VL: Organise it!
25:08 <Bloodlust> I will hopefully be somewhere overseas then
25:15 <Darkkapow> Oh so I see mekkis :P
25:28 <Darkkapow> mekkis is playing with you Bloodlust
25:34 <Darkkapow> to try get me to do things
26:17 <Darkkapow> Once I fully know what I can and can't do and get assistance for I will look at things and lease with Daniel about events. However I don't think it likely to get anything following so closely to another major event.
26:18 <Bloodlust> How about next year in the April school holidays - ANZAC Con
26:42 <Mekkis> there's Conquest in Melbourne
27:48 <Bloodlust> is that a big pfs con?
27:58 <Mekkis> it's four days over Easter
28:02 <Bloodlust> never been to melb
32:14 <Steven> alright, time to go watch a baby, see ya guys
32:40 <Darkkapow> chow Steven :D
34:13 <Mekkis> hmm
34:22 <Mekkis> the price of a flight to Melbourne has dropped...
34:36 <Mekkis> only $275
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31:14 <Yuugi> Hi.
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34:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in and out we see
34:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you should go to bed youngin
35:17 <Yuugi> bed at 11:30 in the morning?
35:54 <Yiroep> This is when us USA/Canada people come on. :p
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35:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no I mean brunius
36:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's 1:30am
36:03 <Yiroep> Ah.
36:03 <Yuugi> oh
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12:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how would people want pfs modules run, one really long session (10-14hrs) or 2 long sessions (5-7hrs)?
17:38 <Yuugi> I didn't think there was enough content in PFS to run for more than 4 hours.
17:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> a module is the size of 3 scenarios
18:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and gives 3xp once complete
18:03 <Yuugi> oh
18:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they're mini adventure paths
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18:28 <Yiroep> Modules aren't made for PFS, but is sanctioned so you can play it with PFS characters and get credit for it.
18:29 <Steven> sup bitches!
18:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically
18:40 <Steven> i got the baby to sleep.
18:53 <Steven> shes been sleeping an entire two hours.
18:56 <Steven> its been glorious
18:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> modules are made to be used within the world of golarion, and since PFS is within golarion, many modules are sanctioned
19:03 <Yuugi> There are a couple modules with actual chronicle sheets, though, I forgot it.
19:13 <Yuugi> Mostly they are the Free RPG Day ones.
19:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, if a module has a chronicle sheet, it's playable
19:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is a list of them on the additional resources page
19:33 <Steven> unless of course it was retired.
19:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus I said the page
19:49 <Yuugi> Also congrats on a quiet 2 hours Steven 
19:51 <Yuugi> XD
20:06 <Steven> oh its been awesome, yesterday was the hour long wail fest into my ear.
20:14 <Steven> she must be tired from all the screeching
20:14 <Yuugi> haha
20:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
20:34 <Steven> so now, i need to go find a game to play
20:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so yea I'm tempted to run Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (4-6), because it's free and seems like a good level range for players here
20:43 <Steven> the new final fantasy game?
20:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> steven, look at the humble bundles
21:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they've both got good games on them
21:17 <Steven> nah dude, i get to play whatever i want... my brother reviews games
21:27 <Yiroep> Oh crap, Trine 2?
21:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ah
21:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> still, good games
21:32 <Yiroep> Getting that.
21:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> trine 2, mark of the ninja
21:35 <Yuugi> YOu didn't realize?
21:38 <Yuugi> It's been out for a while.
21:46 <Yuugi> And it actually has real multiplayer
21:49 <Yuugi> Not just co-op
21:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no he means it's on the humble bundle
21:53 <Yuugi> ooh
21:55 <Steven> think imma try out the new ff game
21:56 <Yuugi> ok
22:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which one? 14 or 13-2?
22:14 <Yiroep> What!?
22:18 <Yiroep> Trine 2, & Limbo?
22:21 <Yiroep> I need to get this.
22:25 <Yuugi> lol
22:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and mark of ninja
22:32 <Yiroep> Haven't seen that one.
22:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how do you overlook mark of ninja
22:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically, it's side scrolling MGS
22:41 <Steven> the one for computer, the mmo
22:47 <Yiroep> Also, Brutal Legend, lol. Not great, but it's for the lulz.
23:11 <Yiroep> K...
23:18 <Yiroep> I'm kind of "over" MMOs, but I'll try it.
23:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea same
23:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the only one I play is DDO and world of tanks
23:41 <Steven> final fantasy 14
23:48 <Steven> I played a bit of DDO
23:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mainly cause they're free and the person I usually play with (the same person for both) is a cool kid
24:04 <Yiroep> Well, if you have someone you play with that's different.
24:14 <Yiroep> The game becomes a lot more fun.
24:20 <Steven> had a lvl 15 cleric
24:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, both games are boring as fuck solo
25:20 <Yiroep> Trine 2 is what I'm most excited about.
25:23 <Yiroep> I loved Trine 1.
25:30 <Yiroep> And just...never got around to getting the other.
25:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I dunno, I prefer lost vikings
26:03 <Yiroep> I gotta try that one. SNES, right?
26:16 <Yiroep> Or am I thinking of another game?
27:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup snes
27:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or dos
31:08 <Steven> level 6 in ff14
38:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok, not running Dawn of the Scarlet Sun
39:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's not a full module, only a RPG day module (so 1 scenario length), and it's also a bit shitty
40:53 <Yuugi> lol
45:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok, so there's a few around the levels of 4-7 that are doable
45:58 <Yiroep> I also believe the level 5 pregens that come with it are PFS legal for that module only.
46:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> for the RPG day one? yea
46:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but meh not doing that one, not a full module
46:55 <Yuugi> oh wow, Basic has a statblock
47:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basic?
47:20 <Yuugi> Monster name (AC, HD, hp, MV, #AT, D, Save, ML, AL).
47:22 <Yuugi> Basic D&D
49:25 <Yiroep> Level 4-7 ones? I liked Fangwood Keep (Level 4) & Carrion Hill (Level 5).
49:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you've played them?
50:06 <Yiroep> I hated Broken Chains (Level 6). Haven't played From Shore to Sea (Level 6).
50:08 <Yiroep> Yeah.
50:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I'm going to be playing fangwood keep with my level 4 at unicon
50:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so hopefully that'll be worth GMing
50:43 <Yiroep> I liked it.
50:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> otherwise ther are a few other ones
51:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm thinking realm of the fellnight queen just because fey and shadow magic = fun
51:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just reading about it
51:27 <Yiroep> I hated Broken Chains so much I gave it a 1* review on Paizo...lol.
51:42 <Yiroep> Oh, Realm of the Fellnight Queen is excellent! (If long)
51:56 <Yuugi> I have a bunch of early modules.
52:27 <Yuugi> Like J1: Entombed with the Pharaohs
53:19 <Yiroep> It took us 14 hours to do Fellnight Queen, although the GM we had for it takes a little longer (he's very descriptive) than most GMs.
53:49 <Yiroep> But man, that was an awesome module.
56:27 <Yiroep> If you want a level 8, I really liked Cult of the Ebon Destroyers. No Response from Deepmar was also cool, although Cult was better.
57:46 <Yiroep> And I hate City of Golden Death (level 5) with a passion, although I've heard others say otherwise.
58:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm not really fussed what to run yet to be honest, just depends on what level people want
58:48 <Yiroep> Just giving you my impression of each one. :p
58:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
06:43 <Steven> i hate taking care of babies
06:52 <Steven> spits out the pacifier
07:02 <Steven> cries because she doesnt have the pacifier
07:17 <Steven> put the pacifier back in she then spits it out
07:27 <Steven> figure okay, wants food... make up some formula
07:33 <Steven> refuses to drink
07:51 * Steven pounds face into keyboard
08:17 <Yuugi> lol
09:30 <Steven> shes currently crying so hard shes red in the face... right into the side of my head.  but cries harder if i put her down.
11:47 <Steven> she wants her dad or mom, but that shits off the table.
11:49 <Steven> lol
14:02 <Steven> well i think she cried herself out.
41:34 <CWheezy> generally that happens
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18:54 <Yuugi> Hi CWheezy 
19:23 <Yiroep> Woo! They reversed the Magus spell combat & haste ruling.
19:33 <Yiroep> You now get an extra attack with haste when you're using spell combat.
19:38 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9qhe
20:30 <Avatar> wow they're actually making rulings?
20:44 <Avatar> no, wait, that's from april
20:50 <Yiroep> Yes, but it has a 9/9/13 edit.
21:00 <Avatar> oh nice
21:27 <Yiroep> The ruling in April was that they didn't get the extra attack. They just reversed it.
24:29 <Yiroep> Ah, also when you pounce and have haste, as well.
24:30 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fo#v5748eaic9r4l
26:11 <Avatar> haste always was a little on the weak side
26:59 <Yiroep> I prefer haste to fireball for damage, though...depending on party, but it's usually the case.
27:51 <Yiroep> I'm excited now. That 6-charge wand of haste on a chronicle sheet for my magus (w/ wand wielder arcana) is really good for him now.
29:18 <Yiroep> I can't wait to buy him that wand of enervation, though, once he gets the close range arcana.
30:14 <Avatar> I quite rudely discovered enervation has SR the other day
30:50 <Yiroep> Yeah.
31:00 <Yiroep> Rudely? ?_?
34:55 <Yiroep> Aw crap.
35:01 <Yiroep> I just found out that won't work.
35:10 <Yiroep> Oh, yes it does, derp.
35:46 <Yiroep> Close range only works for ray spell, not just ranged touch attacks. I freaked out because I forgot enervation is a ray, lol.
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05:40 <Avatar> yeah as in I wanted to cast it and found out what happened when I tried
03:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar, how'd you suggest running modules?
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05:04 <Yuugi> New shows to watch out for: Sleepy Hollow and Revolution
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54:49 <Yuugi> DAMNIT
54:51 <Yuugi> Now I want to design a CCG :(
55:41 <Darkkapow> Stupid Paizo forums won't let me select my avatar :(
56:00 <Darkkapow> I can't click the set as avatar button cause it's in a pop up window that closes it self everytime i try hover over it
56:18 <Brunius> tried a different browser?
56:37 <Darkkapow> yeah ff and chrome :/
56:47 <Darkkapow> I don't want to touch ie
58:01 <Yuugi> that sucks Darkkapow 
58:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yuugi, why do you want to design a CCG?
59:02 <Darkkapow> mwhahahaha
59:10 <Yuugi> 'cuz I've been watching some videos on L5R
59:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh
59:21 <Yuugi> And thinking "I want to make a CCG like this"
59:27 <Yuugi> And stuff.
59:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> L5R is cool, but also would be a much better game in an LCG styled system
59:30 <Darkkapow> I got it chrome if i right clicked then moved to where i needed to click to set it it let me :D
59:35 <Darkkapow> ff that wouldn't work
59:41 <Yuugi> LCG?
59:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mainly because people don't trade cards, they just buy a box or 2 and buy the singles they need
59:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> living card game
00:04 <Yuugi> what's that mean?
00:06 <CWheezy> also known as life support card game
00:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> game of thrones, warhammer, etc
00:12 <Yuugi> Are the cards alive?
00:18 <CWheezy> it is when your game isn't that interesting but you constantly release new sets
00:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> living card game means that it's non-collectable
00:29 <Yuugi> >_>
00:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you get what you buy
00:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> every time
00:38 <Yuugi> Oh
00:43 <Yuugi> That makes more sense.
00:46 <Yuugi> I guess?
00:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and you only usually need to buy a box or small expansion pack once
01:03 <Yuugi> like preconstructed decks
01:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in your store that sells board games usually has a stack of them
01:13 <CWheezy> it is still based off of constantly releasing expansions
01:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kinda like that, but it's more like the core set and any major expansions are boardgame sized
01:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and are usually shelved with them
01:34 <Yuugi> eh, I don't get it then
01:43 <Yuugi> Magic: the Gathering always releases new sets.
01:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ok, let me explain it better
01:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you know of warhammer yuugi?
01:51 <Yuugi> I dunno how that's different from a LCG.
01:58 <Yuugi> I know of the wargame.
02:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's what I require
02:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> XD
02:08 <Yuugi> ok
02:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the warhammer LCG starting box is a good sized box, which comes with about 150-200cards
02:45 <Yuugi> ok
02:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> with the races of chaos, orcs, empire and dwarves
02:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> with a little bit of dark elves and high elves in it
03:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is another major expansion which has skaven and I think brettonians or wood elves
03:26 <Yuugi> ok.
03:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> now there are smaller packs, which are about 20-50 cards that contain specific cards pertaining to a certain fight, location, era or faction
04:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there are many of the smaller packs
04:17 <Yuugi> ok.
04:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> unlike magic,there is no set cycle period
04:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is no requirement to buy the latest to play with others
04:27 <Yuugi> >_>
04:34 <Yuugi> <_<
04:36 <Yuugi> ok
04:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there is no trading, no need to buy box after box to get 4 of a certain rare/mythic
04:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you just buy what you want, and play with it
05:01 <Yuugi> ... well
05:12 <Yuugi> I have no idea how that's different from every other CCG.
05:22 <CWheezy> no random packs, basically
05:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup
05:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no randomness at all
05:43 <Yuugi> That's so boring.
05:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you want a certain card, or a bunch of certain cards, you get them
05:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've got a feeling you're not the sort of person who plays board games then heh
06:27 <CWheezy> random packs are good
06:28 <Yuugi> No, I love board games.
06:35 <CWheezy> because it gives an excuse for mtg to print bad cards
06:38 <CWheezy> so they make lots of money
06:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hah
06:49 <CWheezy> similar to how when you go to the hardware store to buy a hammer
06:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the thing about LCGs is that the person with the biggest wallet doesn't auto win because so
06:55 <CWheezy> it would be better if you bought a random tool bag
06:58 <CWheezy> that maybe has a hammer in it
07:03 <Yuugi> But the point of cards is randomness. I can't have fun with a deck of cards if everyone has the same chance to draw everything.
07:20 <CWheezy> what
07:25 <Yuugi> It'd be like everyone rolling the dice and coming up with the same number.
07:32 <CWheezy> what?
07:33 <Yuugi> No matter who or how many times they rolled.
07:35 <Darkkapow> Well it's official now.
07:45 <Darkkapow> Venture Leuitenant :D
07:49 <Yuugi> yay!
07:53 <Yuugi> Congrats.
07:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> SIEG HEIL MEIN FUHRUR
08:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean congrats good sir
08:06 <Yuugi> lol
08:12 <CWheezy> that was pretty not funny
08:22 <Darkkapow> excellent minions... now got get your new evil overlord some coffee!
08:26 <CWheezy> anyway everyone doesn't have the same deck yuugi, so what are you talking about
08:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> only if he rewards us with delectable boons
08:44 <Brunius> Yes, sire.
08:52 <Yuugi> Sure they do, CWheezy 
08:53 <Brunius> Estimated arrival: Five days.
09:00 <Yuugi> If you and I buy the starter of Warhammer CCG
09:05 <Yuugi> WE HAVE THE SAME SHIT
09:06 <Darkkapow> Come to Paizocon Oz and I will be delighted to.
09:07 <Yuugi> Exactly
09:15 <Yuugi> That's what you're telling me.
09:20 <Brunius> (May arrive spilled. We can take no responsibility for the conduct of Australia Post)
09:25 <Yuugi> There's no randomness or individuality to it.
09:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> LCGs are usually bought and played like boardgames
09:32 <Yuugi> It's extremely boring.
09:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> as in, one person buys for a group
10:02 <Darkkapow> You know what you guys need to do. You need to go get Twilight Imperium or Spartacus and play those board games.
10:09 <CWheezy> I don't get it
10:11 <Yuugi> HAHAHA
10:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I dunno, I prefer a 12hr+ game of down with the king
10:16 <Yuugi> I'd love to play Spartacus
10:17 <CWheezy> magic is better because everyone has the same decks anyway???
10:20 <Yuugi> Unfortunately, I don't have it :(
10:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just because the monarch kept dying in the first few turns
10:49 <CWheezy> oh you are confused by false complexity that mtg has
10:54 <Yuugi> Though I'm more of fan of games like Settlers of Catan, Archepelago, and uh
10:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kapow; I really prefer older boardgames, like 80s ones
10:59 <CWheezy> a large large percentage of the cards are unplayable
11:04 <Yuugi> what's that other one.
11:07 <CWheezy> so it makes the game "complex"
11:09 <Yuugi> CWheezy: Don't be a sore loser now
11:23 <CWheezy> whut
11:25 <Yuugi> Just because I called it boring, you're attacking MtG to make it seem less boring?
11:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I dislike settlers, not that it's bad, just because there is very little randomisation or change, thus I can barely stand 2 games in a week of it
11:33 <Yuugi> Good strategy, except it doesn't work that way.
11:33 <CWheezy> whut
11:36 <Darkkapow> whats the space marine one before it was actually space marines i forget the name :/
11:39 <Darkkapow> Space Hulk?
11:43 <Brunius> Yuugi, there's a reason I have CWheezy on ignore
11:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea space hulk
11:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or crusaders
11:52 <Yuugi> I dunno that one!
11:54 <Darkkapow> your a team of marines and have to kill genestealers
11:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you mean the monopoly style board one
12:06 <CWheezy> Yuugi: ok help me out
12:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kapow; that's space hulk
12:14 <Darkkapow> yeah thought so.
12:14 <Brunius> gorrammed jeanstealers
12:18 <CWheezy> you have to fix your stance here
12:21 <Darkkapow> as for MTG not all the decks are the same
12:25 <Yuugi> Brunius: fair enough, but I don't like ignoring people. Because then they can talk about me behind my back.
12:27 <Darkkapow> what format are we talking about?
12:32 <Darkkapow> Type 1 or Type 2 or Legacy?
12:36 <Yuugi> lol CWheezy I don't have to do shit.
12:38 <CWheezy> Yuugi: brunius ignored me because ???, no one knows why
12:43 <Yuugi> Darkkapow: You forgot EDH!
12:48 <Yuugi> Or casual.
12:49 <Brunius> Since I don't particularly care about his opinion, that doesn't particularly bother me
12:50 <CWheezy> I dunno why you are getting so mad here yuugi
12:54 <Darkkapow> no I didn't
12:58 <Yuugi> CWheezy: U mad bro?
13:08 <CWheezy> ok be a child I guess
13:10 <Darkkapow> just there is no way in hell if your saying all the decks are the same you're talking about Commander
13:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I remember when it was called type 1, type 1.5, type 2 and extended
13:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> non of this modern, legacy crap
13:33 <Darkkapow> ok standard then
13:44 <Darkkapow> my deck is completely different to everything out there
13:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no one plays casual, or hates you if you do so
13:53 <Darkkapow> well it's going to change a lot now because of rotation
13:55 <Darkkapow> but still
14:06 <Brunius> oh man
14:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and EDH is fun till people bring out their retarded bombs they've spent 30+ each on
14:11 <Brunius> innistrad cards are out in a week isn't it
14:13 <Yuugi> Hey, I play casual magic.
14:13 <Darkkapow> I was playing 3 drop's immortal servitude
14:15 <Brunius> gorram!
14:17 <Darkkapow> Naya servitude :D
14:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm more a fan of cube myself XD
14:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yuugi, want to play against my 10 land stompy
14:44 <Yuugi> Spaceshot_tm2_: I tried cube once, it wasn't all that fun. I like regular draft.
14:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's even pauper if I replace the vine dryads
15:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yuugi; it really depends on the cube
15:33 <Yuugi> Well, it was a lot of old cards.
15:54 <Darkkapow> Silverblade Paladin, Loxodon Smiter, Hellraiser Goblin, Boros Reckoner's
16:02 <Darkkapow> with pilgrims to turn 2 smiter XP
16:11 <Darkkapow> turn 2 smiter, turn 3 silverblade take 8
16:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> old cards are good cards
16:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I love me some invasion or older
16:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I started playing a week before planeshift release
16:52 <Yuugi> All of my favorites are after Odyessy
16:53 <Darkkapow> I started playing in Time Spiral
16:59 <Darkkapow> Timespiral/10th ed
17:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> stopped officially playing when eldrazi came out
17:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so young
17:25 <Darkkapow> yeah I am.
17:31 <Darkkapow> not as young as some though
17:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> at least you remember damage on the stack tricks though kapow
18:04 <Darkkapow> I started playing not competing in Time spiral XP
18:05 <Yuugi> haha
18:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that reminds me
18:14 <Darkkapow> I didn't start to play properly until lorwynn
18:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> brunius; are you tempted to come into the city next week to play some gaems with me and some buds?
18:36 <Yuugi> Oh, right.
18:40 <Brunius> define some gaems
19:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> some form of boardgame, MTG cube, RPG or something similar
19:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> most likely one of the first 2
19:42 <Yuugi> I'd love to play games with you Spaceshot_tm2_ 
19:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I doubt you're in melbournez?
19:54 <Yuugi> Unfortunately you're probably too far away
20:00 <Yuugi> I'm in Canada.
20:02 <Yuugi> :(
20:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> eh, there's always the interwebs
20:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey brunius, are you busy atm?
20:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> same with you yuugi and kapow
20:30 <Brunius> not this second
20:44 <Yuugi> I'm not busy-ish
21:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and the next question is do you guys have OCTGN, apprentice, workstation or whatever else these days that make MTG decks and can be played with?
21:31 <Yuugi> Nein.
21:58 <Brunius> Nope
22:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> would you be against getting any of those programs running?
22:50 <Yuugi> Oh, and for other CCGs I've also played Pokemon and Yugioh and L5R
22:54 <Darkkapow> I am doing a few things sadly atm.
22:57 <Yuugi> Hrm...
23:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
23:13 <Yuugi> I'm also vaguely interested in Vanguard.
23:36 <Darkkapow> There is a fairly big Vanguard group here in Brisbane
23:47 <Darkkapow> but I have no clue what it is or how to play it.
23:56 <Brunius> you've got your cards
23:58 <Brunius> and you u
23:59 <Brunius> uh
24:03 <Brunius> play
24:14 <Yuugi> Darkkapow: It's really easy.
24:18 <Yuugi> There's an anime for it, too
24:26 <Yuugi> But the rules are free online.
24:36 <Yuugi> I think they're like a couple pages.
25:43 <Yuugi> http://cf-vanguard.com/en/howto/pdf/Starters_Guide.pdf
26:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've played: Pokemon, MTG, Yugioh, L5R, DragonballZ, Hack//, Warlords, Yu-Yu Hakosho (no idea on proper spelling), EVE (great game, sadly they cut it), Spoils, Duel Masters, WWE, Harry Potter, WoW, Marvel/DC Vs, Full Metal Alchemist
26:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I think that's it, if you don't count LCGs and boardgames with cards
26:27 <CWheezy> when you said vanguard I thought you meant vanguard princess
26:33 <Yuugi> No.
26:40 <Yuugi> I meant Cardfight!! Vanguard
26:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kapow: I'd suggest watching the first episode of the anime, it litterally teaches the rules, and quite well too
27:15 <CWheezy> Spaceshot_tm2_: yu-gi-oh does the same thing
27:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha, no it does it
27:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yu-gi-oh still uses 4000 life points
27:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and it started with 2000
27:39 <CWheezy> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/483/894/463.jpg
27:49 <Yuugi> lol@ CWheezy what you smoking dude
27:57 <Yuugi> The anime is horrible at the rules, and the manga is even worse.
28:03 <CWheezy> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/483/894/463.jpg
28:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> he thinks he's funny
28:15 <Yuugi> Oh
28:19 <Yuugi> I guess THAT'S the joke.
28:22 <Yuugi> Anyway.
28:36 <CWheezy> lol wow that made you two mad haha
28:40 <Yuugi> You'd actually have to watch the first 3 episodes or so to get the full ruleset.
28:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd be tempted to get into wieshwarz if only to make a deck full of prinnies
28:50 <Yuugi> Because they don't explain Twin Drive in the first two episodes.
28:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yuugi; for vanguard?
29:01 <Yuugi> yes
29:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
29:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but still, explaining rules like that in a tcg anime is quite odd/rare
29:23 <Yuugi> Yeah
29:34 <Yuugi> It's played straight for almost a full 26 episodes, too
29:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> except the that wieshwarz is fully japanese, except for a couple sets
29:37 <Yuugi> Without magical powers
29:44 <Yuugi> But then they can't help themselves.
29:58 <Yuugi> Because I guess they'd lose viewers if it were straight up card fights without the fate of the world.
30:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> anywho, tappedout.net/mtg-draft-simulator/
30:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> is what I was proposing earlier
31:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> allows you to draft online, and has bots that generally draft ok to fill in the slots
31:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> would love an old school invasion block draft
31:28 <Yuugi> ah
32:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though if I recall correctly there is, or at least was, a drafting program that was linked to apprentice
32:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but that was years ago
41:05 <Darkkapow> I love draft
41:10 <Darkkapow> my favourite thing to do
41:32 <Darkkapow> I drafted M14 the other week for the first time cause I haven't been able to go to fnm for like 2 months
41:48 <Darkkapow> ended up playing orzhov sanguine bond XP
42:09 <Darkkapow> with paladin, reaver, sanguine bond, indesutructability and horrible things like congregate
42:17 <Darkkapow> so bad in standard but hilarious in limited
42:28 <Darkkapow> I congregated someone for 46 life XP
42:35 <Darkkapow> gain 46 they loose 46
45:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> meh
45:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I like drafting, but I just can't justify paying for it
50:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus I like cube
53:43 <Darkkapow> I'd rather draft then buy 4 boosters
54:27 <Darkkapow> You get 2-3 hours entertainment plus cards so it's a more effective way to open boosters
54:52 <Darkkapow> That and I normally am 1st or 2nd in my pod when I draft so unless the prize pool is terrible I know I will get something good.
56:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, but I don't buy magic cards
56:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so to me, it's "is it worth spending $15-20 for 2-4hrs entertainment"
56:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and for me it's not
59:48 <Darkkapow> So you'd never go to a movie at the theatre?
04:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that is different
04:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because I go to a movie with michelle
07:42 <Yuugi> You could also draft with her :P
08:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea... no
09:00 <Darkkapow> thank you for saying my next bit for me.
09:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> we don't really have money, so even going to the movies is rare for us
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09:41 <Darkkapow> I understand what you're saying it's a preference thing.
09:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> quite so
10:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there are many games that if I had the money to throw away at entertainment, I would gladly play
10:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yet I do not
10:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so I do not
10:10 <Darkkapow> Me personally I don't have a significant other so drafting with a number of mates on a friday night for $20 is more enjoyable than going and seeing a movie
11:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> probably would be
11:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I use to FNM
11:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and do sunday magic tournaments quite a bit back in the day
11:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 99% of the time with my dad (we got into magic together)
12:30 <Darkkapow> Yeah because it was an experience with someone you care about.
12:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> eh, I guess
12:39 <Darkkapow> Always makes something more worthwhile.
13:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it was also due to the fact that I had someone I could talk to it about and play it (amongst other games) with
13:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> we both stopped playing it together
14:54 <Darkkapow> Yeah my main point is, there are other things that would provide 2-4 hours of entertainment for the same cost that you would do because that's your personal preference.
15:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> true
16:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but there are also other things, or even other ways of getting similar entertainment for no cost
17:14 <Darkkapow> with differences in sense of achievement and personal gain.
17:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> + if I end up wanting to give a fuck about TCGs/LCGs it should be about either the one I'm working on, or the 2 that are on the back burner
18:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though the same can be said about PF/PFS and my miriad of RPGs I've got on the back burner/working on
20:10 <Yuugi> heh
21:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though being motivationally challenged makes me say "fuck it" to them XD
26:27 <Darkkapow> I know the feeling it's like me and art XP
28:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, but are you an artist?
28:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like professionally or wish to be professionally?
29:43 <Yuugi> You want to be a game designer?
30:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> non videorised, but yes
31:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> at least that's my intention/desire
37:06 <Yuugi> Awesome. I've dreamed about that too, but I don't have the maths for it.
38:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maths?
38:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you don't exactly need maths
42:21 <Yuugi> You need some maths, yes.
42:36 <Yuugi> Game systems don't design themselves you know.
42:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> true, but nothing fancy unless you wish to make video games
42:49 <Yuugi> >_>
42:51 <Yuugi> lies
45:08 <Darkkapow> Spaceshot I did 2 years in a Games Design Major
45:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
45:17 <Darkkapow> I go back in january to finish it
45:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've done one and a half year in a games programming AD
45:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> dropped out because I knew it wasn't going to get me anywhere I wanted to be
45:59 <Darkkapow> Bachelor of Interactive Entertainment: Major in Games Design
46:27 <Darkkapow> Got offered a job where I'd make 2x what I would make in any starting job in the GD industry
46:43 <Darkkapow> went into it for 3 years
46:45 <Darkkapow> regret ever leaving
46:48 <Yuugi> O:
46:59 <Yuugi> why did you leave?
47:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kapow; I don't want to make video games
47:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't really like video games
47:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the only reason I play video games is because the other game types aren't exactly soloable
47:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and the ones which are, I don't like to play solo
48:41 <Darkkapow> Learning the fundamentals of Games Design even though the Bachelor's is Interactive Entertainment doesn't limit it's uses to only the digital medium.
48:55 <Darkkapow> A lot of the same theories and practices can be applied to other fields of games design
49:06 <Yuugi> Anyway, Spaceshot_tm2_ , you mentioned you're making some games. Maybe you can give me an examples of the rules of one of them?
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50:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sure, gimme a sec
50:53 <nerdiot> u guys rock
52:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/znigi088k73w0yd/DiciplesV4.doc
52:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's the main RPG that I'm working on
52:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/79s4lttnhi9g3qv/Base%20rules.rtf
53:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/82c2sxyzi8w5rrj/Starter%20Cards.rtf
53:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and that is the main TCG/LCG (haven't decided yet) that I'm working on
53:46 <nerdiot> if u strike it big will it be listed on the stock market?
54:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hahaha
54:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if only
54:21 <nerdiot> i want to invest $200000 in you space
54:39 <nerdiot> whats your bank account number
55:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hahahaha
55:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> good one
55:39 <Yuugi> Ok
55:49 <Yuugi> So let's do your RPG, since you linked to that first and I'm lazy :P
55:56 <Yuugi> My first question is why did you pick d12?
56:09 <Brunius> Avatar, Mekkis, you around?
56:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because shits and giggles
56:21 <Yuugi> >_>
56:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and orc battleaxes are awesome
56:35 <Yuugi> That's not really designing, that's just shits and giggles.
56:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> + you can divide by 2, 3 and 4 easy
56:45 * nerdiot flicks a piece of salami at Bruni
57:16 <Yuugi> Well, that's true, but do you make use of that in the rules?
57:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> as of yet? not explicitly
57:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it's the idea
57:38 * Yuugi shrugs.
58:09 <nerdiot> what soundtrack will you use for audio>
58:34 <Yuugi> Have you consider the difference in probability between the different die types? >_>
59:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yup, and even though d100 is best, it's still a fucktone of tracking to get the results I wanted with a d100 system
59:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so I decided against it
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00:31 <Yuugi> Have you considered the alternative 2d6?
01:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that creates a bell curve
01:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do not wish to get a bell curve
01:25 <Yuugi> These are all questions I would find myself asking if I were to try to design anything. And since I'm woefully lacking in maths I wouldn't come up with half of the answers.
01:27 <Yuugi> Oh
01:30 <Yuugi> ok
03:23 <Yuugi> The attribute stats, too, are something I'd worry over.
03:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the main issues I get, besides the whole having to add shit in (such as all the abilities, talents and masteries), is that I usually get more than one idea about each thing
03:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and can't always decide on one
04:20 * Yuugi shrugs.
04:39 <Yuugi> That's not really a problem, just put them all in.
04:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the best practice is to either test all of them, or just use the simplist
05:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because the less number tracking, or having to have a lot of shit on memory isn't the best for roleplaying, or games in general
06:12 * Yuugi shrugs.
06:34 <Yuugi> The only idea I've gotten for an RPG is to have a magic system that works like a language.
06:53 <Yuugi> Taking inspiration from Ars Magica and Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
07:20 <Yuugi> But, since I suck at maths, I have no idea how to make it into a game system.
07:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the thing about ideas, is that many people have them, yet only a very small percentage do anything about them
07:26 <Yuugi> What kind of rolls it would require
07:38 <Yuugi> Or how it interacts with a main system.
07:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you do anything about your ideas, you're already above most
08:20 <Yuugi> I've got the basics of it down.
08:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> better than most
08:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> somewhat on topic, have you seen sucker punch?
09:33 <Yuugi> yes
09:42 <Yuugi> Good movie.
10:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well I've got the RPG rules set in fluid in my mind for a similar style game
10:37 <Yuugi> >_>
11:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh?
12:23 <Yuugi> I'd be very surprised if you could make a game that gives that same feeling.
12:48 <Yuugi> also
12:59 <Yuugi> I'm stealing your stuff for my magic system, I think.
13:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what stuff?
13:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> curious more than anything
13:28 <Yuugi> Some of it, anyway.
14:13 <Yuugi> The idea of disciplines.
14:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ah
14:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I do like that quite a lot
14:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> even so that I've got another RPG with a similar system
15:27 <Yuugi> But, anyway, the basics of my idea are a combination
15:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> many games are these days
15:41 <Yuugi> "The focus of the game is the magic system. There are 15 Arts divided into 5 Techniques and 10 Forms. The Techniques are what one does and the Forms are the objects one does it to or with. This is sometimes called a "Verb/Noun" magic-system. The Arts are named in Latin, and can be used to cast 'Formulaic' spells (spells which are written down and have known, fixed effects), or 'Spontaneous'...
15:42 <Yuugi> ...spells (which a Magus creates on-the-spot, usually for a specific purpose)."
16:00 <Yuugi> And
16:07 <Yuugi> "These "runes" in the game are a form of vocabulary of ideographs. These runes may be used to construct rudimentary sentences, some of which function as spells."
16:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you can rarely look at a game and not say "this game is just game A with game B and some game C in it"
16:30 <Yuugi> heh
17:12 <Yuugi> "Spells are created using one alignment rune, one verb rune, one noun rune, and an adjective rune (Pargon being the only one) to fill out the Circle of Power. In order to create spells of a certain level (3, 5, or 7), the appropriate Circle of Power must first be obtained from Oublie Cathedral. In order to create a specific spell, all runes used in that spell must have been obtained"
17:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the thing with me, is that I want people to go like "this is like game A and game B put together... wait... I never thought someone would ever put game A and game B together"
17:25 <Yuugi> So, yes, it's very much like a language.
17:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's a fluid based system
17:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or rune system
17:45 <Yuugi> fluid?
17:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> depends how you look at it
18:06 <Yuugi> oh, no, those two quotes were from the games I'm taking the idea of language of magic from
18:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> fluid as in you mix different fluids, like alchemy, together to get a new result
18:23 <Yuugi> Ah
18:25 <Yuugi> maybe
19:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've had a similar sort of idea, and I even liked the words of power from UM
19:41 <Yuugi> what are those?
20:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the problem is, is that if it's done too complex/interchangeable, it could become quite cumbersome without an arbiter (arbiter being the word for background mathimatical system that does baseline calculations, keeping tally and managing simple stuff, seen in most video game RPGs)
20:44 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/ultimateMagicWordsOfPower.html
20:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> words of power in UM (Ultimate Magic) was an alternate magic system they introduced (not viable for PFS) where you make a spell out of multiple words
25:16 <Yuugi> eh
25:30 <Yuugi> Not quite what I'm looking for
25:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus I said similar XD
26:20 <Yuugi> Not really.
27:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe my interpretation of what you portrayed is different than you intended
29:12 <Yuugi> I believe so. Especially if you've never played the games.
29:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I do not believe I have
31:44 <Yuugi> So, in Eternal Darkness, there's a bunch of magic runes your character has to collect after they read teh Tome of Eternal Darkness. 
32:13 <Yuugi> Each rune can be categorized into different parts. There's obviously the verb runes, the noun runes, but there's also "alignment" runes
32:23 <Yuugi> Which determine what the powers do
33:03 <Yuugi> There's a rock-paper-scissors thing going on with the alignments (along with a secret, special fourth alignment but we'll forget that for now)
33:35 <Yuugi> You set up these runes (alignment + noun + verb) in a Circle of Power with 3 slots
34:40 <Yuugi> So, for example, you could use the noun "area" or "self" with the verb protect. And tie it to an alignment.
34:53 <Yuugi> Protecting yourself with scissors, for example, will guard you against paper
35:03 <Yuugi> But doesn't do much against rock, for instance.
36:10 <Yuugi> However, you could also use ("Paper" + "Dispel" + "Area") to remove rock powers.
36:31 <Yuugi> There's also a special rune type that works like an adjective
36:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
37:02 <Yuugi> Once you collect Circles of Power with more than three slots (5, 7, or 9) you can add in this rune to power up the spell
37:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it just sounds like creative targeting with a RPS thing attached
37:17 <Yuugi> However, of course, it takes longer to cast.
37:31 <Yuugi> ?
38:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> as in, it's selected forms of targeting (self, target, area, cone, blast), the actual spell, and a RPS thing
38:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then buffs to the spell (that is new though XD)
38:15 <Yuugi> Sort of but not?
38:33 <Yuugi> Obviously the spell needs a noun
38:41 <Yuugi> The verb is what the spell DOES
38:48 <Yuugi> and the noun is what the spell is doing it to
39:00 <Yuugi> The nouns are: Nouns
39:00 <Yuugi>     Magormor - "item" - focuses the spell on an item
39:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> perhaps
39:02 <Yuugi>     Redgormor - "area" - focuses the spell on the area around the character
39:04 <Yuugi>     Aretak - "creature" - focuses the spell on a creature
39:05 <Yuugi>     Santak - "self" - focuses the spell on the spellcaster
39:18 <Yuugi> This is all in this one game
39:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but that's why I'm doing my chaining thing (if you read that far)
39:26 <Yuugi> So, for the second game
39:47 <Yuugi> they have verbs and nouns too
40:07 <Yuugi> The Forms are named after the corresponding singular accusative Latin noun.
40:08 <Yuugi>     Animal is used for animals. Since bacteria were unknown in medieval times, illnesses are evil spirits, which come under Vim.
40:10 <Yuugi>     Auram is used for anything that has to do with the air, including lightning. Weather phenomena such as rain and hail may be covered by Auram or Aquam.
40:12 <Yuugi>     Aquam is used for water, or any other liquid. This includes ice in the 5th edition; In 4th edition, Ice was Terram, since it is a solid.
40:13 <Yuugi>     Corpus (the incorrect declension Corporem was used in older editions) is used for the human body.
40:14 <Yuugi>     Herbam is used for plants and fungi, and their products - cotton, wood, flour, etc.
40:16 <Yuugi>     Ignem is used for fire, and fire's basic effects of light and heat.
40:17 <Yuugi>     Imaginem deals with images, sounds, and other senses, though humans' ability to perceive them is part of Mentem.
40:19 <Yuugi>     Mentem deals with intelligence and the mind, such as human or ghosts. The minds of animals are not affected by Mentem but by Animal.
40:20 <Yuugi>     Terram stands for earth and minerals, or any other non-living solid.
40:22 <Yuugi>     Vim has to do with pure magic; many spells to ban or control demons and other supernatural beings also belong to this Art, as such beings often have a form that expresses magically.
40:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you've at least done your research
40:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'll give you that
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41:24 <Yuugi> And every spell in these two games is a combination of a verb and noun
41:33 <Yuugi> Which I like the idea of
41:40 <Yuugi> So that's what a magic system would look like for me.
41:54 <Yuugi> But, how it works in a game system I have no idea.
42:01 <Yuugi> Most likely I'll never know.
42:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the thing about disciples, is that I thought of it, and how it would work, and playout long before avatar existed, and the elemental abilities are practically avatar
46:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and when I watch avatar I always picture a disciples game
47:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kapow: the thing before about how you said you're geting lods of dosh because of your course or whatever, I don't care about getting a good income, or even an ok income out of my games, I just want people to play them and like them
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34:24 <Darkkapow> I didn't say I was getting loads of dosh because of my course spaceshot
34:45 <Darkkapow> I said i left my course for a job that offered me a lot of money
34:58 <Darkkapow> I regret it because I wish i had finished my course.
35:10 <Darkkapow> Money isn't everything, doing something you enjoy is the most important part.
35:37 <Darkkapow> Become a master of something you enjoy and you're good at and you will make money.
25:25 <Avatar> spoken like a true VL
35:01 <Avatar> I really need a backup plan for unicon saturday morning
35:10 <Avatar> I really don't want to play in ashley's game
36:59 <Brunius> which is that
41:32 <Brunius> heh
41:41 <Brunius> 1 on his game, 5 and a waitlist on the other
41:42 <Avatar> 5-01 I think
41:56 <Avatar> I can play either game, but I'm a bit sick of him screwing me
42:17 <Avatar> the thing is he is actually a good GM except when he does that
42:57 <Avatar> his only saving grace is when he felt bad about killing your character in the 'punishment encounter' in quest for perfection 1
43:19 <Brunius> oh was that the one where the boss was out of his environment
43:24 <Brunius> because we did something a little silly
43:50 <Avatar> yeah
43:57 <Avatar> what we did wasn't silly
44:01 <Avatar> he just didn't like it
45:03 <Brunius> I'm actually not too bothered by that death
45:21 <Brunius> It was the second time that character had died to a crit in the first hit
47:46 <Avatar> you only had like 2 exp didn't you
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48:10 <Brunius> I think that would have been his third encounter
48:11 <Brunius> uh
48:13 <Brunius> scenario
48:15 <Brunius> but yeah
48:18 <Brunius> second was under goodall
50:26 <Brunius> Avatar why do you like wicked so much
51:15 <Avatar> it's that good
51:25 <Avatar> have you seen it
51:29 <Brunius> nope
51:34 <Avatar> make your parents take you
51:44 <Avatar> tell them it's cultural
52:19 <Brunius> I think my mother would happily take me
04:21 <Avatar> tickets aren't cheap
05:10 <spider21b> back
05:20 <spider21b> hi everyone
05:44 <Avatar> hey spider
05:52 <Avatar> how are the chronicle sheets coming
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11:54 <spider21b> done with spellbook
12:23 <spider21b> benrill i dont really run anymore and the rest need to talk to the other gms
12:40 <Avatar> got them uploaded somewhere?
14:00 <Avatar> actually preview seats for wicked are pretty cheap - $70
14:14 <Avatar> I paid like $120-150 per show last year
15:39 <spider21b> yep
16:05 <Avatar> link us
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36:59 <spider21b> sorry got logged off
37:04 <spider21b> no i dont have all of them
37:15 <spider21b> i have all i need for spellbook
37:38 <spider21b> if i have to play other characters then i will play my level one or somthing
38:58 <Avatar> yeah what's the link to your spellbook ones
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26:43 <Brunius> Heh
27:15 <Brunius> A family friend just rang up and thought I was my father
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08:16 <Avatar> not sure what I was thinking taking thunderous drums instead of haste
36:42 <Brunius> Mekkis: I'll at least be in Canberra from the 21st to the 26th, I can't say any earlier but that is 100% when I'm coming back
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33:16 <Steven> suuuuuup
38:58 <Steven> cant get to the websight
03:59 <Steven> kapow grats on finally getting it announced.
04:12 <Steven> look me up on facebook Steven Huffstutler
04:33 <Steven> I'll see bout getting you added to VO chat
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