// #d&d — 2012-09-27
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00:01:59 <kapow> I was hoping maybe you'd see it by 8 when i left XP
00:02:05 <kapow> like got up or what not
00:02:16 <kapow> plus i did ask you like 3 times last night for the address n time :/
00:02:22 <kapow> while i was sending you files n what not
00:02:45 <MekkisScreen> I had sent it to you before
00:08:15 Brunius ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
00:10:12 <Mekkis> "Nothing is more permanent than temporary fixes"
00:10:15 <Mekkis> deep words
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01:25:35 <kapow> I didn't remember where it was why i was asking :(
01:59:16 <Brunius> I think the one thing I've learned in IT this year is how to break the school's network with the tech having no hope of fixing it
02:16:25 <kapow> !throw 1d4+4d6+5
02:16:26 <diebot> kapow, 1d4+4d6+5: [1d4=4; 4d6=2,2,4,5] 22
02:16:42 <kapow> !throw 1d20+56
02:16:42 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+56: [1d20=10] 66
02:18:26 <Steven> stupid mibbit been a pain in my ass the last day
02:19:13 <Brunius> So don't use it
02:20:12 <Steven> i fixed it.
02:24:26 <MekkisScreen> why do you use it?
02:24:42 <Steven> cause i dont wanna pay for a client
02:24:55 <MekkisScreen> so brunius: are you playing on the 3rd?
02:25:07 <Brunius> xchat 2
02:25:15 <MekkisScreen> so use one of the multitude of free clients then, steven
02:25:21 <Steven> dont like xchat
02:25:40 <Brunius> Let's go with no
02:25:41 <Steven> i fixed it, so its not an issue anymore
02:26:05 <Steven> methinks imma get some pie
02:26:08 <MekkisScreen> I suggest you download Virtualbox (free), install opensuse on it (free), and run bitchx or xchat in it (free, in both cases)
02:26:15 * MekkisScreen just ate a pie
02:26:25 <Brunius> Or you could run xchat in windows natively
02:27:19 <MekkisScreen> you want to do it the easy way
02:27:46 <Brunius> Yep.
02:28:15 * MekkisScreen is running virtualbox on windows to run X to ssh into a machine running linux, to run virtualbox on it, to run windows on the virtual machine.
02:28:40 <MekkisScreen> and yes, that is what I'm paid to do
02:29:56 <Brunius> Seems a bit complicated
02:30:22 <Brunius> Can't you just use putty to ssh into a machine running linux, to run virtualbox on it, to run windows on the virtual machine
02:30:33 <MekkisScreen> oh, then use the virtual machine running on my local machine to remote desktop into the virtual machine running on the remote machine
02:31:04 <Brunius> insert yo dawg meme here
02:31:26 <Steven> pie so tasty....
02:31:27 <MekkisScreen> what? plug a switch intto itself?
02:31:50 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: potentially: but putty on windows is a rather poor ssh client, and X servers on windows are rather unreliable
02:32:17 <Brunius> And it's more reliable to virtualbox the whole way?
02:32:29 <Brunius> Yay insane dwarfs
02:32:34 <MekkisScreen> actually, it isn't
02:34:19 <Brunius> So why are you doing it?
02:34:53 <MekkisScreen> virtualbox is more reliable
02:39:10 <MekkisScreen> and you really don't want your ssh (or your X) link to die while you're running a virtual machine on a remote computer
02:50:19 <Steven> that pie was awesome... coconut creme how i love you
02:50:26 <Steven> anyways.... sup sup sup sup su
02:50:27 <Steven> p
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04:07:12 <Avatar> Mekkis: I messaged you around 8-9
05:23:57 <spider21b> hi!
05:32:24 <Ballig> wassup
05:32:56 <spider21b> playing a video game about heading to bed whats up with you?
05:52:39 <kapow> ballig graky and avatar if we only have 4 people for game tomorrow would you guys be upset if i did an alternate campaign like Among the Living or something because Silken Road looks like it would be fairly dangers with party lvl 7
05:53:37 <Ballig> what do you mean by "party lvl 7"
05:54:51 <Graky> i dont mind dude
05:54:53 <Graky> im easy
06:08:14 <MekkisScreen> With regards to?
06:08:43 <kapow> well atm max we can have are 3 lvl 2's and a lvl 1
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06:16:17 <Ballig> everyone has a level 2 according to the schedule
06:16:30 <Ballig> and since when is 3 level 2s and a level 1 too underpowered for a subtier 1-2?
06:19:26 <Brunius> This is in season 0
06:19:30 <Graky> i'm level 2 if you didnt know that
06:20:36 <Avatar> kapow trying to get onto you
06:20:46 <Avatar> didn't you get it
06:24:11 <kapow> graky breaks shit
06:24:32 <Graky> heh
06:26:17 <Ballig> regardless of being season 0, I don't see why an APL 1.75 would be too underpowered for a subtier 1-2
06:26:37 <Brunius> You remember darkest vengeance?
06:26:42 <Brunius> This is supposedly even worse.
06:26:51 <Ballig> then why are we playing it at all?
06:27:05 <Brunius> Because kapow ignored Mekkis' advice
06:27:08 <Ballig> are you running a suicide scenario, kapow?
06:27:16 <Ballig> you can't run a suicide scenario without telling us man
06:28:48 <kapow> it's not a suicide scenario it's just got a lot of combats
06:29:01 <Ballig> apparently it's a suicide scenario
06:29:10 <kapow> it is a tough one though
06:29:18 <kapow> I was hoping for 5 lvl 2's
06:29:28 <kapow> with that i'd happily run it
06:29:38 <Ballig> you can't hope for a table above what scenarios are designed for, and not tell anyone that they need a larger table to survive
06:29:43 <Ballig> that's the definition of a suicide scenario
06:30:04 <Brunius> " Kyle Smith 700 — Oct 2, 2011, 02:13 AM
06:30:04 <kapow> hence why i am saying with the people coming would you be upset if i ran another
06:30:05 <Brunius> Just played this scenario. Simply put, it's absurdly deadly to any 1st level party. There's two encounters that hover around CR 5, which is just too much."
06:30:22 <kapow> 1st level party
06:30:31 <kapow> i read those comments keep reading them
06:30:34 <Ballig> yeah but what I'm telling you kapow is that you should've said this BEFORE we all accepted an invite to a suicide scenario
06:30:45 <Ballig> that'd be like us running Darkest Vengeance for you and not filling you in on the fact that you will probably die
06:31:54 <kapow> i have nothing against playing a tough scenario with no warning
06:32:16 <Ballig> I'm not saying tough
06:32:19 <Ballig> I'm saying suicide
06:32:47 <Ballig> if this scenario is being compared to Darkest Vengeance, it's ridiculous not to give anyone warning
06:36:29 <kapow> CR 3, CR 4.5, CR 6.5
06:36:59 <Brunius> And the party is expected to be level 1 or 2
06:37:08 <kapow> yes
06:37:21 <Ballig> a CR 6.5 against four level 2 characters is fairly much suicide man
06:37:24 <Ballig> you can't even argue that
06:37:26 <Brunius> That's two, three, and four times the expected CR
06:37:51 <Ballig> APL + 3 is meant to be "a really tough boss fight"
06:37:55 <Ballig> which is CR 5 if the party is level 2
06:40:02 <kapow> I really don't think that it's that tough the numbers just make it look so
06:40:16 <Ballig> people who have actually played the scenario disagree with you
06:40:54 <kapow> I'm trying to argue a point without giving spoilers :/
06:41:08 <Ballig> there we go, I siad "really tough boss fight"
06:41:09 <kapow> harder than it looks
06:41:14 <Ballig> the rulebook says "epic fight" is APL + 3
06:41:24 <Ballig> it doesn't even list what "APL + 4.5" is
06:41:32 <Brunius> Mekkis, have you played it?
06:43:25 <kapow> I agree with the one comment Brunius sent
06:43:32 <kapow> for a level 1 part yes
07:00:09 <kapow> and i hadn't noticed that 1 of the players had declined and nother with a lvl 2 had accepted
07:00:36 <Ballig> yeah even with four level 2s I don't want to play something that has an APL 6.5
07:01:35 <kapow> it has an EL 6 rating on the ifnal combat
07:20:52 <S711> What's up, programmers?
07:21:10 <Avatar> we're not all programmers
07:21:12 <Avatar> what about the rest of us
07:21:18 <Avatar> don't you like us
07:21:29 <Avatar> unless we have programming skillz
07:21:54 <S711> I'm glad someone mentioned this channel somewhere at some point, because I'll likely ask you people about stuff. Sometime.
07:22:29 <S711> The rest of you are like Sunday programmers.
07:22:51 <Ballig> what's a Sunday programmer
07:23:05 <S711> You're not allowed to ask that.
07:23:12 <Ballig> says who
07:23:14 <S711> Sorry.
07:23:20 <Hydrazine> The first rule of Sunday Programmers...
07:23:32 <Ballig> but if I'm not a Sunday programmer, surely I'm not bound by their rules
07:23:45 <Hydrazine> You could be a covert operative.
07:23:48 <S711> OK, this guy is a programmer.
07:37:07 <Mekkis> I haven't played Darkest Vengeance
07:37:38 <Mekkis> I HAVE played and run Silken Caravan
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08:06:35 <tashphones2> Mekkis: mum just told me its my birthday party on Monday evening
08:06:51 <Mekkis> ok
08:06:59 <Mekkis> S711, I imagine software engineers don't count
08:07:07 <tashphones2> Sowwy!
08:07:52 <tashphones2> If you're free on Saturday night you should come into town though. There's a big thing on at the nerd bar
08:08:05 <S711> I don't know the difference.
08:08:34 <S711> Tell me?
08:09:50 <Mekkis> SEs do more consulting with the client than programmers
08:19:30 <kapow> isn't saturday nerd speed gaming dating or some shit
08:19:36 <kapow> at manabar?
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09:39:10 <tashphones> Yep. I still hate mornings
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10:10:25 <Mekkis> "Nothing is more permanent than temporary fixes"
10:10:28 <Mekkis> deep words
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11:32:43 <Brunius> why, tashes
11:32:49 <Brunius> they're fun in a bottle
11:42:58 <tashphones> No, that's tequilla. You're thinking about tequilla.
11:43:01 <tashphones> Not mornings.
11:43:31 <Brunius> I've never had tequila, therefore I wouldn't know whether it's fun in a bottle
11:46:55 <tashphones> I'll fix that.
11:47:04 <Brunius> Fairly sure that's illegal
11:47:23 <tashphones> Not if Im your father
11:47:28 <tashphones> Luke
11:47:33 <Brunius> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11:47:48 <tashphones> Nax actually it still is. But only if you get caught.
11:48:02 <tashphones> So no being disorderly, y'hear me?
11:55:20 <MekkisScreen> tashphones: you free Monday evening?
11:57:20 <tashphones> I think so?
12:13:14 <MekkisScreen> We shouldmeet up
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12:16:38 <kapow> !throw 1d4+4d6+5
12:16:38 <diebot> kapow, 1d4+4d6+5: [1d4=4; 4d6=2,2,4,5] 22
12:16:54 <kapow> !throw 1d20+56
12:16:55 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+56: [1d20=10] 66
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12:21:12 <tashphones2> Could do.
12:21:45 <tashphones2> Do you have transport?
12:29:53 <Brunius> Perhaps I shouldn't have had the axedwarves run into melee while the marksdwarves engaged the same targets
12:30:10 <MekkisScreen> possibly
12:30:25 <MekkisScreen> it might be one-way transport
12:31:21 <Brunius> Oh well, I didn't need those axedwarves that much anyway
12:50:07 <Hydrazine> How could you not need axedwarves?
12:53:05 <Brunius> If I have more marksdwarves, then I don't need axedwarves
12:53:19 <Brunius> Somehow, though, I got higher casualties in the marksdwarves than in the axedwarves
12:53:23 <Brunius> Which doesn't make much sense
12:53:42 <Hydrazine> you gotta put the melee between the badguys and the ranged.
13:00:47 <MekkisScreen> screw that: just use 2% scouts , 98% artillary
15:59:04 <Brunius> I think the one thing I've learned in IT this year is how to break the school's network with the tech having no hope of fixing it
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16:31:15 <MekkisScreen> what? plug a switch intto itself?
17:03:19 tashphones ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
17:21:04 <S711> What's up, programmers?
17:21:22 <Avatar> we're not all programmers
17:21:24 <Avatar> what about the rest of us
17:21:30 <Avatar> don't you like us
17:21:41 <Avatar> unless we have programming skillz
17:22:06 <S711> I'm glad someone mentioned this channel somewhere at some point, because I'll likely ask you people about stuff. Sometime.
17:22:41 <S711> The rest of you are like Sunday programmers.
17:23:03 <Ballig> what's a Sunday programmer
17:23:17 <S711> You're not allowed to ask that.
17:23:24 <Ballig> says who
17:23:26 <S711> Sorry.
17:23:33 <Hydrazine> The first rule of Sunday Programmers...
17:23:44 <Ballig> but if I'm not a Sunday programmer, surely I'm not bound by their rules
17:23:58 <Hydrazine> You could be a covert operative.
17:24:01 <S711> OK, this guy is a programmer.
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18:07:11 <Mekkis> S711, I imagine software engineers don't count
18:08:18 <S711> I don't know the difference.
18:08:46 <S711> Tell me?
18:10:03 <Mekkis> SEs do more consulting with the client than programmers
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19:23:45 <spider21b> hi!
19:32:12 <Ballig> wassup
19:32:44 <spider21b> playing a video game about heading to bed whats up with you?
19:39:23 <tashphones> Yep. I still hate mornings
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19:52:27 <kapow> ballig graky and avatar if we only have 4 people for game tomorrow would you guys be upset if i did an alternate campaign like Among the Living or something because Silken Road looks like it would be fairly dangers with party lvl 7
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19:53:25 <Ballig> what do you mean by "party lvl 7"
19:54:39 <Graky> i dont mind dude
19:54:40 <Graky> im easy
20:08:31 <kapow> well atm max we can have are 3 lvl 2's and a lvl 1
20:16:04 <Ballig> everyone has a level 2 according to the schedule
20:16:18 <Ballig> and since when is 3 level 2s and a level 1 too underpowered for a subtier 1-2?
20:19:13 <Brunius> This is in season 0
20:19:18 <Graky> i'm level 2 if you didnt know that
20:23:59 <kapow> graky breaks shit
20:24:19 <Graky> heh
20:26:05 <Ballig> regardless of being season 0, I don't see why an APL 1.75 would be too underpowered for a subtier 1-2
20:26:25 <Brunius> You remember darkest vengeance?
20:26:29 <Brunius> This is supposedly even worse.
20:26:39 <Ballig> then why are we playing it at all?
20:26:53 <Brunius> Because kapow ignored Mekkis' advice
20:26:56 <Ballig> are you running a suicide scenario, kapow?
20:27:03 <Ballig> you can't run a suicide scenario without telling us man
20:28:35 <kapow> it's not a suicide scenario it's just got a lot of combats
20:28:49 <Ballig> apparently it's a suicide scenario
20:28:58 <kapow> it is a tough one though
20:29:05 <kapow> I was hoping for 5 lvl 2's
20:29:16 <kapow> with that i'd happily run it
20:29:26 <Ballig> you can't hope for a table above what scenarios are designed for, and not tell anyone that they need a larger table to survive
20:29:30 <Ballig> that's the definition of a suicide scenario
20:29:52 <Brunius> " Kyle Smith 700 — Oct 2, 2011, 02:13 AM
20:29:52 <kapow> hence why i am saying with the people coming would you be upset if i ran another
20:29:53 <Brunius> Just played this scenario. Simply put, it's absurdly deadly to any 1st level party. There's two encounters that hover around CR 5, which is just too much."
20:30:10 <kapow> 1st level party
20:30:19 <kapow> i read those comments keep reading them
20:30:21 <Ballig> yeah but what I'm telling you kapow is that you should've said this BEFORE we all accepted an invite to a suicide scenario
20:30:33 <Ballig> that'd be like us running Darkest Vengeance for you and not filling you in on the fact that you will probably die
20:31:42 <kapow> i have nothing against playing a tough scenario with no warning
20:32:03 <Ballig> I'm not saying tough
20:32:07 <Ballig> I'm saying suicide
20:32:35 <Ballig> if this scenario is being compared to Darkest Vengeance, it's ridiculous not to give anyone warning
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20:36:17 <kapow> CR 3, CR 4.5, CR 6.5
20:36:46 <Brunius> And the party is expected to be level 1 or 2
20:36:56 <kapow> yes
20:37:09 <Ballig> a CR 6.5 against four level 2 characters is fairly much suicide man
20:37:12 <Ballig> you can't even argue that
20:37:14 <Brunius> That's two, three, and four times the expected CR
20:37:38 <Ballig> APL + 3 is meant to be "a really tough boss fight"
20:37:43 <Ballig> which is CR 5 if the party is level 2
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20:39:49 <kapow> I really don't think that it's that tough the numbers just make it look so
20:40:04 <Ballig> people who have actually played the scenario disagree with you
20:40:42 <kapow> I'm trying to argue a point without giving spoilers :/
20:40:56 <Ballig> there we go, I siad "really tough boss fight"
20:40:56 <kapow> harder than it looks
20:41:01 <Ballig> the rulebook says "epic fight" is APL + 3
20:41:12 <Ballig> it doesn't even list what "APL + 4.5" is
20:41:20 <Brunius> Mekkis, have you played it?
20:43:13 <kapow> I agree with the one comment Brunius sent
20:43:20 <kapow> for a level 1 part yes
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20:59:56 <kapow> and i hadn't noticed that 1 of the players had declined and nother with a lvl 2 had accepted
21:00:23 <Ballig> yeah even with four level 2s I don't want to play something that has an APL 6.5
21:01:23 <kapow> it has an EL 6 rating on the ifnal combat
21:04:19 <Brunius> Because Ballig and Avatar are up
21:04:36 <MekkisScreen> why are THEY up?
21:32:55 <Brunius> why, tashes
21:33:01 <Brunius> they're fun in a bottle
21:36:54 <Mekkis> I haven't played Darkest Vengeance
21:37:26 <Mekkis> I HAVE played and run Silken Caravan
21:39:07 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: you still haven't told me about Wed 3rd
21:39:23 <Brunius> I haven't, mainly because I forgot about it
21:42:10 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking Citadel of Flame
21:42:42 <MekkisScreen> if you haven't played it
21:43:10 <tashphones> No, that's tequilla. You're thinking about tequilla.
21:43:13 <tashphones> Not mornings.
21:43:43 <Brunius> I've never had tequila, therefore I wouldn't know whether it's fun in a bottle
21:47:07 <tashphones> I'll fix that.
21:47:16 <Brunius> Fairly sure that's illegal
21:47:35 <tashphones> Not if Im your father
21:47:40 <tashphones> Luke
21:47:45 <Brunius> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
21:48:00 <tashphones> Nax actually it still is. But only if you get caught.
21:48:15 <tashphones> So no being disorderly, y'hear me?
21:55:32 <MekkisScreen> tashphones: you free Monday evening?
21:57:33 <tashphones> I think so?
22:06:23 <tashphones2> Mekkis: mum just told me its my birthday party on Monday evening
22:06:38 <Mekkis> ok
22:06:55 <tashphones2> Sowwy!
22:07:40 <tashphones2> If you're free on Saturday night you should come into town though. There's a big thing on at the nerd bar
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22:13:26 <MekkisScreen> We shouldmeet up
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22:21:24 <tashphones2> Could do.
22:21:57 <tashphones2> Do you have transport?
22:30:06 <Brunius> Perhaps I shouldn't have had the axedwarves run into melee while the marksdwarves engaged the same targets
22:30:22 <MekkisScreen> possibly
22:30:37 <MekkisScreen> it might be one-way transport
22:31:14 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Fri 28th 6pm (kapow, tier 1-5) / Wed 3rd 10am (Mekkis, tier 1-5) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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22:31:33 <Brunius> Oh well, I didn't need those axedwarves that much anyway
22:32:13 <Mekkis> tashphones2, I fly in on Sunday, and get out on Wednesday
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22:50:20 <Hydrazine> How could you not need axedwarves?
22:53:17 <Brunius> If I have more marksdwarves, then I don't need axedwarves
22:53:31 <Brunius> Somehow, though, I got higher casualties in the marksdwarves than in the axedwarves
22:53:35 <Brunius> Which doesn't make much sense
22:53:54 <Hydrazine> you gotta put the melee between the badguys and the ranged.
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23:00:59 <MekkisScreen> screw that: just use 2% scouts , 98% artillary
23:19:20 <spider21b> hey guys
23:19:40 <spider21b> when?
23:25:34 <Brunius> Next wednesday
23:25:53 <spider21b> cool
23:25:58 <spider21b> what is it in pst?
23:27:33 <Brunius> What time zone is pst?
23:27:37 <Brunius> It's 12am UTC
23:29:04 <MekkisScreen> no idea
23:29:31 <MekkisScreen> why don't you learn your UTC offset like everyone who's civilised
23:33:35 <kapow> google is your friend ?
23:33:48 <kapow> well mekkis i have dice now ^_^
23:34:03 <kapow> after this mornings adventure to the southside
23:34:47 <kapow> spent the morning until i was able to message you chilling ate the cafe above ace then proceeded to spend my money when they opened :/
23:35:19 <kapow> only place you've ever mentioned before so i went there was all i could remember XP so was like pretty sure it was somewhere southside i'll go there
23:35:25 <kapow> derp derp
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23:39:41 <Brunius> Huh
23:39:55 <Brunius> The original DNF team want people to fund their new FPS
23:43:36 <kapow> dnf?
23:43:56 <Brunius> Duke Nukem Forever
23:45:38 <kapow> did they start like a kick starter or something like that
23:45:40 <kapow> or just asking outright?
23:46:37 <Brunius> Looks like a kickstarter equivalent
23:46:41 <Brunius> But specifically for games
23:48:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, how high a fly skill modifier do I need?
23:50:25 <MekkisScreen> Kapow, sending me a message at 5am is not going tohelp
23:51:01 <MekkisScreen> brunius, you really want to give the DNF team your money?
23:51:09 <Brunius> I didn't say that
23:52:27 <MekkisScreen> giving their track record of return on investment...
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