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05:07 <diebot> test
48:13 <raiderrpg> seeya tomorrow, I supposes
48:17 <raiderrpg> nice meeting ya >:3
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25:23 <MekkisScreen> is there anyone here who would play First Steps 2 if I were to run it?
31:13 <Avatar> yeah
31:26 <Avatar> my paladin needs some first steps exp
31:42 <Avatar> and frankly I need some fighter type melee experience since I hardly ever play them
31:54 <Mekkis> I'll look at running it on the 15th
32:00 <Mekkis> but no guarantees yet
32:06 <Avatar> okey doke
33:40 <Brunius> It's looking like I'll be drafting on the 15th
35:09 <Avatar> what's that mean
36:46 <Brunius> magicz
37:06 <Ballig> I was going to say, it's usually a sporting term but I'm sure with Brunius it will be about warhammer
37:08 <Ballig> I was close!
46:39 <Brunius> Man
46:43 <Brunius> I haven't played warhammer in ages
00:23 <Avatar> you haven't played pfs in ages
08:47 <Avatar> 7am start today WOOHOO
45:33 <Brunius> http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/z9bvt/got_married_this_weekend_had_to_wait_for_the/
40:56 <Brunius> Dude
41:12 <Brunius> Quarter to one in the morning, Saturday 15th
41:19 <Brunius> Black Mesa: Source is released
41:36 <Brunius> So...I download it, play for a couple hours, then take a bus/train combo to Box Hill
41:49 <Brunius> Where I draft AVR for a couple hours
45:01 <Brunius> Ha
45:13 <Brunius> This subreddit is private.
45:25 <Brunius> /r/blackmesa
16:25 <Brunius> Anyone know why my CPU usage spikes to 100% every now and then?
18:30 <Brunius> Night folks
31:40 <Avatar> it backfired if you will
31:53 <Avatar> like 5 men going into combat thinking they will save the day
32:00 <Avatar> with only 1 being able to escape with his life
32:25 <Avatar> cue indiana jones theme
32:33 <Ballig> because he cleverly planned to get everyone else killed
32:38 <Ballig> for he secretly works for... The Shadow Lodge!
32:44 <Avatar> no that wasn't part of the plan at all
32:47 <Avatar> he wanted to SAVE those people!
32:54 <Avatar> they were his friends!
32:54 <Mekkis> that's what they all say
50:15 <Avatar> oh uh
50:19 <Avatar> darkwhite didn't know anything about unico
50:20 <Avatar> n
50:26 <Mekkis> :o
50:30 <Avatar> there were looking into changing venues or something
50:33 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
50:46 <Avatar> he will set up pathfinder society now that he knows registrations are active
50:46 <Ballig> he's never heard of it before, unicon doesn't exist
50:48 <Ballig> dun dun DUNNNNN
51:03 <Avatar> he only just got internet access in his house apparently
51:08 <Mekkis> it's not on the list is it?
51:21 <Avatar> what's not
51:29 * tashphones lawns
51:32 <Mekkis> Society
51:38 <tashphones> Or yawns 
51:39 <Mekkis> as far as events you can register for
51:41 <Mekkis> or is it?
51:52 <Avatar> yeah it's not, that's why he has to set up pathfinder society now that he knows registrations are active
53:08 <Mekkis> hey tashphones 
53:23 <tashphones> Herro 
53:45 <tashphones> Is it just me or has it been quieter than usual in here?
54:02 <Mekkis> did you go to Blackburn today?
54:10 <Mekkis> I spammed it
54:39 <Avatar> yeah
54:44 <Avatar> that's where I barely escaped with my life !!
54:57 <Mekkis> what did you play?
55:14 <Avatar> I think I've given away a bit too much about what happened to reveal the scenario
55:29 <Mekkis> oh
55:34 <Mekkis> I wasn't paying attention
55:44 <tashphones> Trust you
55:49 <Avatar> you missed out, it was quite a story
56:08 <Mekkis> I was buying my father dinner
56:29 <Avatar> scroll up, it's still there
57:04 <Mekkis> or I could log onto warhorn, read the scenario name, and ignore everything up there
57:25 <Avatar> it's more exciting the other way around
57:32 <Avatar> the scenario itself is irrelevant to the experience
57:52 <Ballig> trust Mekkis
58:06 <Mekkis> season 3 or season 4?
58:14 <Mekkis> I've played the season 3 one
58:22 <Avatar> perhaps it was one of them
59:00 <Mekkis> I used a * in an exec command
59:04 <Mekkis> lucky I didn't use -o
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09:41 * tashphones dances to nothing
21:42 * tashphones waves
51:13 <diebot> Sheets updated: Deceased (285)
56:20 <diebot> test
05:15 <diebot> test
13:53 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 8th 10am (Mekkis,level 1 module) / Sun 9th 9am (Avatar,tier 5-9) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
13:53 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Fri Aug 31 23:31:16 2012
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48:05 <raiderrpg> seeya tomorrow, I supposes
48:08 <raiderrpg> nice meeting ya >:3
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08:56 <Avatar> 7am start today WOOHOO
25:14 <MekkisScreen> is there anyone here who would play First Steps 2 if I were to run it?
31:04 <Avatar> yeah
31:18 <Avatar> my paladin needs some first steps exp
31:33 <Avatar> and frankly I need some fighter type melee experience since I hardly ever play them
31:46 <Mekkis> I'll look at running it on the 15th
31:51 <Mekkis> but no guarantees yet
31:58 <Avatar> okey doke
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36:38 <Brunius> magicz
36:58 <Ballig> I was going to say, it's usually a sporting term but I'm sure with Brunius it will be about warhammer
37:00 <Ballig> I was close!
46:30 <Brunius> Man
46:35 <Brunius> I haven't played warhammer in ages
00:15 <Avatar> you haven't played pfs in ages
45:24 <Brunius> http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/z9bvt/got_married_this_weekend_had_to_wait_for_the/
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40:47 <Brunius> Dude
41:04 <Brunius> Quarter to one in the morning, Saturday 15th
41:11 <Brunius> Black Mesa: Source is released
41:28 <Brunius> So...I download it, play for a couple hours, then take a bus/train combo to Box Hill
41:40 <Brunius> Where I draft AVR for a couple hours
44:53 <Brunius> Ha
45:04 <Brunius> This subreddit is private.
45:16 <Brunius> /r/blackmesa
16:16 <Brunius> Anyone know why my CPU usage spikes to 100% every now and then?
18:22 <Brunius> Night folks
39:36 <raiderrpg> 'ello 'ello
40:10 <Diazane> G'day.
40:48 <raiderrpg> Been looking around for a pathfinder game, got pointed in this direction. Am I in luck? >:3
41:01 <Diazane> Perhaps!
41:13 <raiderrpg> Perhaps is the best response I've gotten so far!
41:31 <Diazane> We mostly play society here, and usually on weekends. Most games happen in the afternoon, Aussie time.
42:13 <Hydrazine> I'm Hydra, local rules lawyer round these parts.
42:15 <raiderrpg> Ah, society. Well, I was hopin' to be able to run with an MCA class, but nothin' wrong with the basics >:3
42:37 <raiderrpg> Gah, sorry there
42:55 <raiderrpg> misclick. Stupid firefox, having the plus by the x... you think they'd move that up a bit.
43:32 <Hydrazine> One of my favorite games recently switched positions of the accept and cancel buttons, its been bugging me since.
43:38 <raiderrpg> Ouch.
43:53 <raiderrpg> Anyway
44:18 <raiderrpg> Raider, eccentric homebrewer and player of many bard/wizards (suboptimal my arse ;3)
44:32 <Hydrazine> My pleasure.
45:00 <Hydrazine> Lately I've been feeling dissatisfied with Society style and haven't been playing much, but I still hang around.
45:23 <raiderrpg> The silly widget didn't save up the log- mind givin' me the days, again?
45:48 <Hydrazine> Where in the world you at?
45:55 <raiderrpg> and I've never been one for society-style games ever since my first attempt in living grayhawk, but I'm not opposed to giving the thing another attempt
46:04 <Hydrazine> Games are usually saturday and sunday afternoon Aussie time.
46:09 <raiderrpg> Good ol' Canada, born and raised. In manitoba, particularly
46:29 <Hydrazine> Canadian! That makes us almost neighbors.
46:42 <raiderrpg> Ha! American, I suppose? Well, nice to meet another head to my hat.
46:53 <Hydrazine> Game'll be around graveyard shift friday and saturday night then.
47:25 <raiderrpg> Not an issue there, chronic insomniac anyway. ;3
47:53 <Hydrazine> I'd probably play more currently, but I've been investigating this weird thing on weekends, I think they call it a social life.
48:18 <raiderrpg> ooh, I hear those are bad for your health
49:25 <raiderrpg> You know what they say; 100% of people with a life end up dying :<
49:33 <Hydrazine> Its been good so far. Even with a few hangovers.
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50:09 <raiderrpg> Good ol' orange juice, bacon, and toast. It's the true hangover cure
51:08 <Hydrazine> Hail Bacon, king of meats!
51:20 * tashphones lawns
51:30 <tashphones> Or yawns 
52:10 <raiderrpg> King? Pft, you dishonor the glory of earth with your plebian speech! Good sir, it is nothing less than the solidified nectar of the greek gods!
52:38 <raiderrpg> Especially when it's cooked just right- soft in, crispy out.
52:42 <raiderrpg> Mmmm.
52:59 <Mekkis> hey tashphones 
53:14 <tashphones> Herro 
53:24 <Hydrazine> Mmm. Bacon.
53:35 <Hydrazine> Bard/wizards, huh?
53:36 <tashphones> Is it just me or has it been quieter than usual in here?
54:01 <Mekkis> I spammed it
54:02 <raiderrpg> I've never found a problem that couldn't be solved by a bard3/wizardX.
54:43 <Hydrazine> Huh. Don't think I've really played enough pathfinder, or with enough bard/wizards to see it.
55:20 <raiderrpg> It's like ice cream, and bard is the fudge topping.
55:36 <tashphones> Trust you
56:35 <raiderrpg> +8 on untrained knowledge checks, and a few wands of healing and other bardic spells really does add to a wizards repertoire
57:43 <Ballig> trust Mekkis
58:51 <Mekkis> I used a * in an exec command
58:55 <Mekkis> lucky I didn't use -o
59:41 <raiderrpg> 'course, it does make me pine for the days of 3.5, when balance was a broken illusion and Ultimate Magus made the best CODzilla cry...
00:26 <raiderrpg> Then I remember Ur-Priest and Pun-pun and say 'screw it, this is safer' :P
00:55 <Hydrazine> Heh.
01:10 <Hydrazine> Yeah, balance did become a joke in 3.5.
01:44 <raiderrpg> Eh, Balance isn't so important. So long as people are still havin' fun- and that is where the real problem was.
02:08 <Hydrazine> I think its probably bound to happen in any system where you add that many classes with different abilities and allow people to mix and match.
02:09 <Hydrazine> How so?
02:31 <raiderrpg> When your options are 'be a kobold psion' or sit on your buttocks for four hours a session, there's not much reason left to game.
03:35 <Hydrazine> Thats not a problem with the system, thats a problem with the people running it.
03:46 <Hydrazine> Gotta have standards.
03:59 <raiderrpg> See, that's often said. But how many GM's are actually willing to hold to those, with their players glaring down their necks?
05:33 <Hydrazine> I think it depends just as much on what the players want as what the DM wants.
05:44 * raiderrpg motions to the second Gamers movie, as an example- "You're BLOCKING me. I want to play a monk, and you are -blocking- me."
05:57 <raiderrpg> Oh, certainly.
06:26 <Hydrazine> I haven't seen the movie and do not get the reference.
06:46 <raiderrpg> But there's always that one powergamer who goes to far in a group, y'know? Even when you think you've kicked the last one out, another rises. Like zombies, only you go to jail if you get out the shotgun
07:13 <raiderrpg> Really?
07:19 <raiderrpg> Man, it's a great movie.
07:22 <Hydrazine> If its just one person, then its NOT the whole table staring down the DM, telling him hes wrongf.
08:04 <raiderrpg> All it often takes are one or two players doin' it.
08:29 <raiderrpg> Players tend to feel entitled, or are just excited to use new material. 'least in my experience
09:05 <raiderrpg> And that leads to trouble if the GM slips up enough
09:33 * tashphones dances to nothing
09:46 <Hydrazine> I don't think its just players in gaming. I think its alot bigger than that. I think our culture is raising the entitelement attitude.
09:55 * raiderrpg nods.
10:25 <raiderrpg> A good example is pathfinder's own community and the 'big six' magic items, I think. The ones characters 'need' to be able to keep up
10:37 <raiderrpg> I've always found that a bit sad. Part of it is the system, but... y'know.
10:38 <Hydrazine> However, I do think other types of games are raising an entitled attitude aswell.
11:11 <raiderrpg> Shadowrun seems somewhat safe- though I've admittedly got only a year or so of experience there
11:40 <Hydrazine> For example, Assassin's Creed. You're supposed to be an assassin. Theres no difficulty setting. Yet, if you want to, you can fight off 20 city guards at once, no sweat. Without even being that good at the game.
11:50 <raiderrpg> oh, my, yes.
12:36 <Hydrazine> Gone are the days of Contra, and other games that pull no punches and expect you to just man up and lose until you get better.
12:56 <Hydrazine> Now we get menus suggesting a difficulty change after you die a couple times.
13:03 <raiderrpg> The "I can't beat airman' song comes to mind.
13:07 <Hydrazine> I think 4E pushes a similar attitude aswell.
13:10 <raiderrpg> Difficulty Settings do have their place, though
13:12 * raiderrpg nods.
13:24 <raiderrpg> That's one of my two issues with it.
13:25 <Hydrazine> True, but AC doesn't even have one.
13:46 <Hydrazine> I'd feel totally fine if I could just kick it up to hard and have the guards smack me like a bitch for trying something like that.
14:16 <raiderrpg> The other being that balance in 4e tends to lean towards 'do the same thing your friend, only slide them in a different direction 2 squares'
14:49 <raiderrpg> Morrowind comes to mind. Oblivion felt way too easy; haven't run in skyrim yet, but I expect it's similar.
15:01 <raiderrpg> But morrowind, you had to watch your step.
15:45 <Hydrazine> Morrowind was great in concept, but the actual game was buggy and had alot of very exploitable tricks.
16:05 <raiderrpg> Still gloriously fun.
16:13 <Hydrazine> I didn't really play oblivion, but skyrim was fun.
16:48 <Hydrazine> I think the difficulty there is all in how you play.
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17:01 <raiderrpg> Isn't that often the case?
17:27 <Hydrazine> My 3rd Skyrim character, was supposed to be a wizard. But he caught vampirism and I pretty much sacked him after that.
17:39 <raiderrpg> Heh.
17:52 <Hydrazine> What? I can't generate mana during the day? Shit.
18:01 <raiderrpg> One of the few games I find that does balance and the difficulty setting well, is, shockingly... minecraft.
18:36 <raiderrpg> Sans mods, of course. That can skew the results
18:54 <Hydrazine> Haven't really played with it much. I dunno, just couldn't really get into it.
19:17 <raiderrpg> Can't blame you- isn't for everyone. But lemme give a quick explanation of what I mean
19:33 <Hydrazine> I am listening.
20:24 <raiderrpg> You start out with maybe a stone sword, iron if lucky, by your first night- and likely no armor. Depending on difficulty, standard zombies and skeletons will make mincemeat out of you
20:46 <raiderrpg> You're basically risking your character and a small chunk of items/progress by going out to fight mobs.
20:53 <raiderrpg> By the time you hit endgame
21:11 <raiderrpg> You've got a diamond sword, a few potions, a bow, and iron or diamond armor
21:33 * tashphones waves
21:43 <raiderrpg> And you still risk yourself going out at night. You just aren't anywhere near as likely to get gibbed.
21:54 <raiderrpg> Getting the idea?
22:14 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I see.
22:20 <raiderrpg> So long as mobs are on, you're always taking a risk of a Creeper or Enderman screwing you over.
22:39 <raiderrpg> Especially creepers; since they explode, they can hurt the terrain and buildings around you
22:57 <raiderrpg> You have to pay attention and no mob is something you can ever just ignore.
23:14 <raiderrpg> But you stiill feel progress when you get better stuff
23:39 <raiderrpg> Simple and easy way of handling difficulty.
24:18 <raiderrpg> It's a bit more complicated, but that's basically it
24:31 <Hydrazine> Cool.
25:59 <raiderrpg> By the way, I should warn you now- I tend to ramble and talk a lot :P
26:11 <raiderrpg> (( Miiight be a bit late on that ))
26:23 <Hydrazine> Eh. Its cool in text. I can not listen while you're talking and check it out later.
26:40 <raiderrpg> Ah, the many benefits of IRC.
27:17 <raiderrpg> So, back to pathfinder. What's the party 'round these parts like?
27:52 <Hydrazine> Society play man. Its not in the slightest bit static.
28:52 <raiderrpg> Meaning?
29:07 <Hydrazine> How familiar are you with how pathfinder Society works?
29:21 <raiderrpg> If it's anything like living greyhawk, I have an idea
29:23 <raiderrpg> otherwise, zip.
30:39 <Hydrazine> Well, all the characters are made within a pretty rigid rule system, games are episodic, most of the time stand-alone as a single session. Made for different level ranges.
31:10 <Hydrazine> So the party is based on what characters all the players have of the right level for it, and which ones they feel like bringing.
31:27 <raiderrpg> Ah, I see.
32:39 <Hydrazine> For a while I had a monk, a rogue, and a witch in the same level group. So usually I ended up bringing the witch because noone else around had any sort of divine magic.
33:18 * raiderrpg nods. Hm.
33:30 <raiderrpg> So making a few characters is expected, then
33:43 <Hydrazine> Well, you don't have to. But its common.
36:48 <Hydrazine> I'd say make one, get your feet wet, then go on from there.
37:14 <raiderrpg> Tis' usually the best way to go in things.
38:00 <Hydrazine> You could do like I did, make a character, play one session, decide that character is simply not going to work, make another, and stick with that for a while.
39:11 <raiderrpg> ... Ha, that's hilarious. I'm looking over the pathfinder society rules and I just found the 'Free Reroll if wearing a t-shirt or carrying a folio' stuff
39:26 <Hydrazine> Heh. Gotta love advertising.
39:48 <raiderrpg> Probably had to put in the 'one free reroll only' thing after too many complaints of people wearing ten shirts at once.
41:25 <Hydrazine> I'm pretty sure someone would do it.
41:30 <raiderrpg> Bleh. Prolly gonna have to head on out, soon- Elghinn's gonna be on shortly :\ Work, work...
41:41 <raiderrpg> Bloody warcraft orc, I feel like sometimes.
42:09 <Hydrazine> Elghinn? Who is this?
42:13 <Hydrazine> Work work work!
42:35 <raiderrpg> Top guy of the MCA project
43:00 <raiderrpg> homebrew stuff, we're prolly the longest lasting on the paizo boards.
43:40 <Hydrazine> cool
43:44 <raiderrpg> http://mcarchetype.wikispaces.com/ take a peek sometime ;3 we're doing a ton of balance and editing work these days to get it ready for proper PDF-ing </plug>
44:52 <Hydrazine> A barbarian paladin? I've always wanted to be a barbarian paladin!
44:57 <Hydrazine> My god is ANGRY AT YOU!
45:00 <raiderrpg> Ha ha!
45:21 <raiderrpg> Dwarf Viking of Thor, AWAY!
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55:43 <Hydrazine> I mean, I imagine some paladins as the kind who can get into a proper rage. You get that with some zealots.
58:11 <raiderrpg> Yeah, definitely. That's one of the goals of the MCA, to allow stuff you just... can't quite do with regular classes/multiclassing.
58:28 <raiderrpg> And sadly
58:35 <raiderrpg> in the core rules.. no pallys with rage ;w;
59:20 <Hydrazine> I know.
00:52 <raiderrpg> No Bards with Spellbooks, either. Euridite Bard, how I love thee~ </can you tell who designed that one?>
01:20 <Hydrazine> Looks like you.
02:04 <raiderrpg> Gasp! How could you tell?
04:18 <Hydrazine> Good guess.
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