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11:03 <Oren> #Help
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12:30 <Oren> anybody here?
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13:44 <MekkisScreen> .yes
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17:30 <mamoulianfh> It's Hokubi turn
18:25 <Mort-> Might be hard hydra
18:26 <mamoulianfh> .
18:37 <Hokubi> I assume the defensive shell of Turtle Style as a swift action, and ready a standard action to grapple this chump Ankheg as soon as it gets within range.
18:38 <Hokubi> Done.
18:54 <Mort-> He got a grabbie
19:12 <Hokubi> Eh. I don't really care win or lose. But hes gonna learn some stuff.
19:20 Ballig is now known as Ballig1
19:38 <Mort-> Hi ballig
19:39 <mamoulianfh> Ankheg moves closely to Hakubi and attempts to bite.
19:49 <Hokubi> readied action goes off first, agree?
19:49 <Mort-> Roll to hit
19:57 <Mort-> Yes
20:01 <Mort-> Doh
20:04 <Mort-> I'm rusty
20:16 <mamoulianfh> !roll 1d20+5 bite
20:16 <dicebot> mamoulianfh, bite: [1d20=4] 9
20:41 <Hokubi> Not really familiar with readied actions, are you?
20:44 <Mort-> Anyway we know his bite missed anyway
20:53 <Mort->  Me?
20:56 <Hokubi> A readied action is basically a if/then statement for a turn.
20:56 <mamoulianfh> nope not realy :(
20:59 <Mort-> Not at low tier
21:15 <Mort-> No ones been readying actions on me
21:25 <Hokubi> For example, its perfectly legal to have a bow in your hand and ready an action to shoot a spellcaster 'if he starts casting a spell'
21:37 <Mort-> Yeah its called counter spell
21:45 <Mort-> Usually i do it with magic missiles
22:04 <Hokubi> So, I made my if/then, that if your ankheg gets within range, I grapple it.
22:17 <Hokubi> This means I get my grapple right after your move.
22:25 <Hokubi> Aslong as you come within range.
22:25 <mamoulianfh> ok, that rules we have not tried yet with friends :(
22:50 <Hokubi> The way to defeat a readied action, is to not do whatever the condition is. Then the person readying just wasted a turn.
23:18 <Hokubi> So, if the ankheg went after Mort instead, not only would I look stupid, I'd be wasting time aswell.
23:21 <mamoulianfh> soo if ankheg does not move, you wasted your turn right;
23:36 <Mort-> Id ask you for perception check
23:50 <Mort-> I'm stealthed in a bush ffs :p
24:05 <Hokubi> You can ready only standard actions, with an optional 5 ft step if you haven't moved that round.
24:17 <mamoulianfh> Ok, but Ankheg has Int 1 so he runs towards the first spotted target :Ž
24:26 <Hokubi> So, readied action is met?
24:30 <mamoulianfh> :)
24:35 <mamoulianfh> yup
24:43 * Hokubi grapples at the Ankheg when it gets close.
25:04 <Hokubi> Now, normally you would have an AoO from this, but Hokubi is a grappling specialist and he has improved grapple, so you don't.
25:16 <Hokubi> !roll 1d20+9 grapple
25:17 <dicebot> Hokubi, grapple: [1d20=14] 23
25:20 <mamoulianfh> Ok
25:27 <Hokubi> Does this beat CMD?
25:59 <mamoulianfh> CMD 17 (25 vs grip)
26:05 <mamoulianfh> so it beats right?
26:30 <Hokubi> Yes. 23>17
26:47 <Hokubi> So, heres where you would tell me that the Ankheg is grappled.
27:00 <Mort-> No?
27:05 <mamoulianfh> Hokubi succesfully grapples Ankheg
27:09 <Mort-> 25 vs grip?
27:30 <mamoulianfh> grip and grapple is the same? my english lacks little bit in this :/
27:32 <Mort-> Or was it trip
27:37 <Mort-> Check!
27:47 <mamoulianfh> 25 vs Trip sorry
27:51 <Mort-> There isn't any combat maneuver called grip :p
27:54 <Mort-> Fair enough
28:33 <Mort-> Yes you grabbed a nasty beastie. Again hydra
28:40 * Mort- sighs from the bush
29:53 <Hokubi> Now, since it was done as a readied action, the Ankheg can finish its turn.
30:11 <Hokubi> Keeping in mind that it now suffers the grappled condition.
30:40 <mamoulianfh> ok give me a second
31:20 <Mort-> He can escape artist. Use cmb to control the grapple
31:42 <Mort-> Or attack with grapple penalties with one attack less
31:53 <mamoulianfh> yup just found it in the book :)
32:07 <Mort-> Uh hydra what happens if the creature only has 1 attack?
32:28 <Hokubi> He can attempt it at -2.
32:38 <Mort-> I know with a magus i can slash with a  one handed weapon
32:58 <Mort-> Though the moment i saw you it would be grease
33:02 <Mort-> Tons of it :p
33:46 <mamoulianfh> Ankheg tries to break the grapple.
34:23 <Mort-> Roll cmb break?
34:41 <mamoulianfh> !roll 1d20+11 combat maneuvre check
34:42 <dicebot> mamoulianfh, combat maneuvre check: [1d20=3] 14
35:03 <Mort-> That won't help
35:03 <Hokubi> Hokubi boasts a grapple CMD of 23.
35:14 <Mort-> I know his cmd is up the roof
35:22 <Mort-> Continue...
35:46 <mamoulianfh> Ankheg is unsuccessful and stayd grappled.
35:54 <mamoulianfh> stays*
36:08 <Mort-> You watch what happens next
36:49 <Hokubi> So, the second round of a controlling grappler.
36:55 <Hokubi> I have several options.
37:10 * Mort- unstealths and perks her ears up while peeking out of the bush
37:27 <Hokubi> Well, firstly I have to decide if I want to maintain the grapple or break it. Since I started it, and I want to be in a grapple, I am going to keep it.
37:46 <Hokubi> So if I succeed in a roll to maintain the grapple, I can do a couple of things.
38:24 <Hokubi> I can move both of us up to half my movement, and stick you in any adjacent square I want.
38:34 <Hokubi> I can beat the stuffing out of you, without needing to roll an attack.
38:46 <Hokubi> Or I can pin my target.
39:13 <mamoulianfh> oko
39:17 <mamoulianfh> ok*
39:20 <Hokubi> Think of pinning like a very effective submission hold. Face to the ground and completely useless.
39:59 <Hokubi> So I roll to maintain the grapple, and pin this Ankheg. Stick his nose on the floor and call him a silly.
40:00 <Hokubi> sissy.
40:01 <mamoulianfh> yeah
40:18 <Hokubi> !roll 1d20+12 grapple to pin
40:18 <dicebot> Hokubi, grapple to pin: [1d20=6] 18
40:42 <mamoulianfh> Hokubi maintains the grapple.
40:50 * Mort- giggles from the bush at the thought of a monster being called a sissy
41:04 <Hokubi> Oh, the +12 is a combination of the +5 to follow up grapple actions as a controlling grappler, and the -2 to dex from grappling. Hokubi uses his dex and not str to grapple.
41:06 <mamoulianfh> and pins Akgheg head first into the dirt.
41:23 <Hokubi> It is the Ankheg's turn, and.. hes pinned. Which is bad.
41:39 <Mort-> Ah i was wondering why you didnt get +14
41:47 <Mort-> Thanks for explaining
41:53 <Hokubi> Pinned cannot move, no dex bonus, -4 ac, cannot cast spells with somatics.
42:51 <Hokubi> Or attack.
43:30 <MekkisScreen> dimension door
43:36 <MekkisScreen> using a wand
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43:53 <Brunius> http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/40k2/CIMG1569.jpg
43:53 <mamoulianfh> can pinned creatures make special attack, like spit acid in the case of ankheg?
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45:11 <Hokubi> No.
45:24 <mamoulianfh> ok
46:16 <Hokubi> If its held down in such a way that it can't even try to bite, it can't even try to acid spit.
46:56 <Hokubi> The most viable options for a pinned person are trying to get out, magic, if they can do it without somatic components, and begging for mercy.
47:02 <mamoulianfh> so the only thing he can do now, is to lie down and wait to get his ass kicked?
47:14 <Hokubi> You can still try and get out.
47:33 <mamoulianfh> same check as versus grapple in the first round?
47:44 <Hokubi> With a -4 penalty to dexterity, yes.
47:53 <Hokubi> If that affects it.
49:37 <mamoulianfh> CMB +7 (+11 grapple)
49:53 <mamoulianfh> CMB is not affected by DEX right? only CMD
50:05 <Hokubi> Correct. Unless you're me.
50:11 <Hokubi> I use dex for both.
50:33 <mamoulianfh> sooo
50:42 <Hokubi> Try and get out!
50:52 <Hokubi> If you make it, I might actually lose this fight.
51:02 <mamoulianfh> !roll 1d20+11 combat maneuver check vs grapple
51:02 <dicebot> mamoulianfh, combat maneuver check vs grapple: [1d20=7] 18
51:37 <Hokubi> But not if you roll like crap.
52:00 <mamoulianfh> blame the dice bot, he clearly does not like bugs :P
52:25 <Hokubi> Like real dice, you get good days and bad days.
52:27 <Hokubi> My turn then?
52:29 * Mort- climbs up a used
52:32 <Mort-> Tree
52:35 <mamoulianfh> yes
52:45 <mamoulianfh> at least i think so
52:57 <mamoulianfh> fail against pin = helpless?
52:58 <Hokubi> Well, you can't really take any movement actions, agree?
53:04 <Mort-> !roll 1d20+2 climb mortimur!
53:04 <dicebot> Mort-, climb mortimur!: [1d20=9] 11
53:07 <Hokubi> Not quite helpless yet, but not far from it.
53:08 <Mort-> Doh
53:38 <mamoulianfh> ok
53:49 <Hokubi> If I had friends to beat you up, you'd be at no dex to AC, -4 more.
53:56 <MekkisScreen> you can escape artist
54:02 <Hokubi> Which means they'd probably very effectively kick the stuffing out of you.
54:29 <Hokubi> Well, you're at no dex to ac and -4 now, its just theres nobody else to capitalize on it.
54:35 <mamoulianfh> if i used CMB check, as a standard action, i cant use escape artist anymore right?
54:40 <Hokubi> correct.
54:56 <Mort-> I don't think that thing has escape artist
55:02 <Hokubi> This enemy is actually a pretty strong grappler, Mekkis. It makes sense it would go for the escape by grapple and not escape artist.
55:23 <Mort-> Yeah would have tried to reverse grapple on hokubi
55:26 <Mort-> As the monster
55:29 <mamoulianfh> nope ankheg lacks Escape artist
55:35 <mamoulianfh> skill
55:48 <Mort-> Then keep dealing the bite damage
56:00 <Hokubi> I know you're not a spellcaster, but I'm going to take a moment to illustrate how dangerous grappling can be to a spellcaster.
56:02 <Mort-> You can use escape artist untrained
56:14 <Mort-> Are you grabbing me,
56:14 <Mort-> ?
56:23 * Mort- sulks
57:00 <Hokubi> Its hard to cast spells while grappling. You have to make a concentration check of 10+grappler's CMB+spell level.
57:18 <Hokubi> So even a level 1 spell, you're looking at DC 20.
57:22 <Mort-> I've seen people do it ><
57:38 <Mort-> But i think that persons cmb wasn't that good
58:14 <Hokubi> And the mods for the roll would be caster level+casting stat mod.
58:38 <mamoulianfh> natural 20 in this case does not mean automatic success right?
59:34 <Hokubi> So if your gnome got grappled and wanted to use speak with animals in the hopes you could convince something to save you from this monk, it would be DC 20 with a +1 to the roll. Bad odds.
00:18 <Hokubi> No, natural 20=success only applies to attack rolls.
00:31 <Hokubi> For everything else, you have to be able to actually roll that high with a 20.
00:37 <mamoulianfh> ok
00:59 <Hokubi> So with a +1 mod, nomatter what you roll, you can't accomplish a DC 22 skill check.
01:43 <mamoulianfh> right
02:43 <Hokubi> Its my turn, yes?
02:57 <mamoulianfh> yes
03:16 <Hokubi> I tie up the Ankheg as a standard action.
03:17 <mamoulianfh> Ankheg failed his check
03:21 <Hokubi> Notice theres no rolling here.
03:49 <Hokubi> If you already got them pinned, you just do it.
03:58 <mamoulianfh> ok
04:09 <Hokubi> The escape DC from being tied up by a grappler is 20+ my CMB. So, 29.
04:31 <Hokubi> If this thing can't beat a 29 escape artist, or break it on sheer strength.. Hes pretty screwed.
04:53 <mamoulianfh> chance is pretty low :P 
05:06 <Hokubi> Now, a tied up creature DOES have the helpless condition.
05:17 <MekkisScreen> so
05:25 <MekkisScreen> use dimension door while tied
05:50 <MekkisScreen> thewand away your ropes
06:15 <Hokubi> This means melee attacks hit at +9, he can be hit with a coup de grace, rouges can sneak attack.. Its a bad spot to be in.
06:43 <mamoulianfh> i see
07:28 <Hokubi> Because the dexterity is effectively 0, for a -5 penalty, and prone in melee, which gives a +4 to the attacker.
08:37 <Hokubi> I think, if Hoku proceeds on, Mort, I will get the rope trick.
09:07 <Hokubi> So now I think we're pretty much done. Your next turn is something like struggle and wimper, and mine is coup de grace.
09:10 <Hokubi> And thats about it.
09:40 <mamoulianfh> yup, but if i roll 18 and more i am free :P
10:35 <Hokubi> How so?
10:40 <Hokubi> Its escape artist now, not grapple.
10:54 <Hokubi> Grappling out is no longer an option.
11:03 <mamoulianfh> oh
11:13 <mamoulianfh> ok
11:27 <Hokubi> you grapple or escape artist people. You can't grapple the ropes.
12:34 <mamoulianfh> then the only option is to summon Ancient Imperial Sky Dragon to the rescue :D
13:13 <Hokubi> So. Now you see some of how grappling works.
13:17 Hokubi is now known as Hydrazine
13:48 <Hydrazine> Let me know if you think of something specific you need a little practice on.
14:00 <mamoulianfh> anyway thank you for all the info and help today, but I'll have to go for today :/ hopefully i will remember most of it :)
14:45 <mamoulianfh> i bet sooner or later I will find something interesting or confusing :P
14:52 <Hydrazine> Most likely.
15:01 <mamoulianfh> see you soon and have a nice day
15:07 <Hydrazine> Later man.
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32:32 <Hydrazine> A US politician actively proclaims that live breastfeeding can cure an adult male of homosexuality.
32:36 <Hydrazine> ...
34:10 <Mort-> Oh hydra
34:14 <Mort-> i promised you photosp
34:17 <Mort-> Will send
35:13 <Mort-> Sent
39:44 * Mort- camps for ballig/avatar
41:59 <MekkisScreen> you should exercise your right to bear arms against a foreign aggressor (a stupid politician)
45:24 <Hydrazine> Unfortunately, even if hes a retard, hes still not a foreign aggressor.
46:11 <Hydrazine> But I don't think I really need to do anything about him. Hes already shot his own career in the foot. And hes supposed to have a big science debate with Bill Nye soon.
46:47 <Hydrazine> Oh, he also says hurricane Isaac is God's way of punishing Bill Nye for his monkey-loving Darwinism ways.
48:01 <Mort-> Us people are nuts
48:06 <MekkisScreen> yeah
48:19 <Mort-> They drink more coke then water because its cheaper
48:28 <Hydrazine> Did you guys get Bill Nye over there when you were kids?
48:43 <MekkisScreen> if democracy worked, and people didn't want the bastards in, why are the bastards in?
48:47 <MekkisScreen> no...
48:56 <MekkisScreen> (who's Bill Nye?)
49:22 <Hydrazine> Bill Nye the Science Guy. He used to do a TV show about science for kids.
50:57 <Mort-> Sounds familiar the name
57:47 <MekkisScreen> celebrety scientist?
57:59 <MekkisScreen> a dumb person's idea of a smart person?
00:33 <Mort-> I think its just an excuse to blow things up and get an audience at it
00:37 <Mort-> Funding too!
02:41 <Hydrazine> Its getting heated. Nye spoke out publicly against teaching creationism in schools, a politician blames a whole HURRICANE on him because of it..
02:53 <Hydrazine> tl;dr, Americans like drama.
03:34 <MekkisScreen> link?
03:43 <Hydrazine> But I can say I think a discussion on science with a politician who thinks women's bodies 'can just shut the whole thing down' when it comes to rape and pregnancy, could be amusing.
04:39 <Mort-> I think he's nuts
05:00 <Mort-> Btw tell me when ballig or avatar show up
05:51 * Mort- sets up camping gear and takes out fishing poles
08:26 <MekkisScreen> http://www.isi.org/quiz.aspx?q=FE5C3B47-9675-41E0-9CF3-072BB31E2692&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
08:36 <MekkisScreen> I got 75% and I'm not even a citizen
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21:54 * Mort- sighs. This is a long wait
22:21 <Hydrazine> So I guess Hoku isn't really fair to equal CR grapplers at the moment.
22:42 <Mort-> That guy had +11 on grab
22:51 <Hydrazine> Better than my +9.
22:54 <Mort-> If he didn't fk up that bad you get bit
23:04 <Mort-> And the grab with acid ability
23:23 <Hydrazine> Using the readied action for grappling is so amazing its a wonder its not illegal.
23:27 <Mort-> I really wanted to strangle the rogue who couldn't even ea from a monster
23:35 <Mort-> With grease on
23:40 <Mort-> I was like wtf
24:06 <Mort-> You're a fekking rogue!
24:40 <Mort-> As i said how are you supposed to hit any shit if you roll less then 10 all session lol hydra
24:55 <Mort-> I think i need lessons in dice rolling
25:05 <Hydrazine> You gotta cup and shake.
35:00 <Mort-> I just threw the dice on the table!
36:50 <MekkisScreen> Mort-...
36:53 <MekkisScreen> !throw 10#1d6
36:53 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 10#1d6: [1d6=1] 1, [1d6=4] 4, [1d6=5] 5, [1d6=4] 4, [1d6=4] 4, [1d6=1] 1, [1d6=4] 4, [1d6=3] 3, [1d6=6] 6, [1d6=6] 6
36:55 <MekkisScreen> add them up
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38:57 <MekkisScreen> it's a zero!
50:24 <Mort-> 38
50:47 <Mort-> Mek please no maths
50:57 <Mort-> It turns my brain into mush
51:41 <Mort-> If i must. I can briefly use those mur brain devouring things called maths
51:44 <Mort-> But i rather not
51:58 <Mort-> No maths. Its bad for murs
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29:52 <MekkisScreen> you should learn maths
30:00 <MekkisScreen> you might need to polymorph yourslef
50:38 <Mort-> I will shape shift soon
50:44 <Mort-> 1 level for xyn!
56:22 <MekkisScreen> what level is Hoku?
56:25 <MekkisScreen> !findchar Hoku
56:27 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Character: Hoku, number: 371( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=371 )
10:43 <Avatar> yo
11:12 <MekkisScreen> yo
12:11 <MekkisScreen> I blame Avatar for my overreliance on companions
12:35 <MekkisScreen> my Next character won't have a companion
12:54 <Avatar> what
13:02 <Avatar> why would I be to blame
13:05 <Avatar> I don't like companions
14:08 <Mort-> Check pms avatar
18:48 <MekkisScreen> that's why, you see
19:21 <Avatar> oh I see what you're doing, you bastard
20:00 <Avatar> was your table limited to 6 people mekkis
20:12 <Avatar> apparently there might be a 7th
20:18 <MekkisScreen> I'll take 7, but no more
20:19 <Avatar> assuming everyone shows of course
21:22 <MekkisScreen> what tier are you looking at for Sunday, Avatar?
21:51 <Avatar> whatever people want
23:22 <Mort-> Avatar - throaty mermaid didn't work for you on map tools?
23:40 <Mort-> Usually catprog is technical details free on runs
23:54 <Mort-> But well sometimes he draws his maps
25:59 <Avatar> it did work
26:20 <Mort-> So what's the map tools issue
26:20 <Avatar> connection dramas aside, it was maptools
26:25 <Avatar> vs getting to try roll20
26:45 <Avatar> that is like taking the prize of a half-broken BMX bike over a ferrari two weeks later
26:49 <Mort-> Btw can my friend now register for games on site?
27:02 <Mort-> Why do you dislike map tools
27:03 <Avatar> I told you twice he is already registered and already invited
27:05 <Mort-> I'm ok any where
27:08 <MekkisScreen> what's roll20?
27:11 <Mort-> I didn't hear
27:14 <Avatar> http;//roll20.net
27:20 <Avatar> oh
27:23 <Avatar> my bad
27:25 <Mort-> Conversation never got through
27:26 <Mort-> Dude
27:33 <Mort-> How do you expect me to know
27:40 <Avatar> I've been having a big conversation with you and it sounded like you were responding
27:42 * Mort- sighs
27:43 <Avatar> LOL
27:46 <Mort-> No
27:49 <Mort-> I never heard you
27:57 <Avatar> yeah he is registered and invited
27:59 <Mort-> I was trying to be polite and ask a few more times
28:01 <Avatar> why does he think he can't sign up
28:02 <Mort-> Ok thanks
28:07 <Mort-> Because this morning
28:13 <Mort-> He tried and couldn't
28:18 <Mort-> He created this morning
28:21 <Avatar> yeah he is invited now
28:21 <MekkisScreen> looks interesting
28:25 <Mort-> Ok
28:28 <Mort-> I have a cleric
28:41 <Avatar> Mekkis: I've been meaning to try it for months, but I can't figure out how to resize the grid
28:42 * MekkisScreen runs SQL Injectme
28:43 <Mort-> Ill officially state my class now
28:56 <Mort-> Then say i can't channel energy ^^
29:06 <Avatar> so I've been waiting for another GM to run it and now a GM is running throaty mermaid on it, which I played two weeks ago using maptools
30:44 <Mort-> I can't even play period
36:25 <MekkisScreen> If I'm running First Steps on the 15th, I'll try using that
36:34 <MekkisScreen> if you want
37:22 <Avatar> yeah okay
37:38 <Avatar> are you coming down for unicon?
17:28 <Mekkis> yes
17:40 <Mekkis> what do you want me to run there?
42:20 <Avatar> darkest vengeance
42:58 <Ballig1> do it
43:28 <MekkisScreen> really?
43:41 Ballig1 is now known as Ballig
43:43 <MekkisScreen> should get Goodall to run it
47:28 <Mort-> What level is darkest vengeance
48:40 <Mort-> Oh yeah job done
48:53 * Mort- poofs
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50:01 <Avatar> goodall did run it a few weeks ago
03:24 <Avatar> shit I need to buy some lego
03:30 <Avatar> I keep forgetting
03:36 <Avatar> where is a good place to buy lego man
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22:06 <Avatar> Graky
22:12 <Graky> hi
22:22 <Avatar> sup
22:35 <Graky> not much, just looked at the site was interested in getting into playing 
26:31 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder society before
26:38 <Avatar> or pathfinder
27:10 <Graky> nah, I haven't even played d&d really
27:14 <Graky> no-one here really plays
27:38 <Graky> thats why im looking at playing online 
29:17 <Graky> do you mainly play with people who are veterans ?
29:54 <Avatar> vets and newbies
30:08 <Avatar> join in, set up a character
30:34 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
31:22 <Graky> yeah i'm looking at the page rigth now
31:24 <Graky> right*
31:55 <Graky> so do you guys use skype or just irc + combat assistant?
33:01 <Avatar> all three
33:20 <Avatar> irc is where most of the story happens
33:37 <Avatar> skype for a bit of banter and clarifying some stuff that goes on, either story-based or rules-based
33:43 <Avatar> CA for mapping everything
33:59 <Graky> ah k
34:35 <Graky> so pathfinder is very similar to d&d rules?
34:44 <Avatar> yeah similar to 3rd ed
34:51 <Avatar> how much d&d have you played
35:06 <Graky> i've never played a game of d&d
35:08 <Graky> haha
35:24 <Graky> always been interested though just as I said no-one where I live plays
35:46 <Graky> I've read a bit of the d&d starter manual etc
35:51 <Avatar> where are you located
36:08 <Graky> near Canberra
36:21 <Avatar> ballig is near canberra
36:24 <Avatar> are you ballig
36:31 <Graky> no?
36:37 <Avatar> are you a spy
36:40 <Graky> no :<
36:45 <Avatar> maybe ballig is spying on you
36:51 <Graky> lol
37:19 <Graky> but yeah
37:25 <Graky> even rolling a char im pretty clueless
37:28 <Avatar> let me know when you've got the books
37:31 <Avatar> I'll run through it with you
38:24 <Avatar> the important one you have to go via paizo.com to get it and add it to your cart
38:32 <Avatar> it's free, so add it and download it
38:37 <Avatar> then open it to chapter 2
38:39 <Graky> alright
39:58 <Graky> pathfinder SRD?
40:49 <Avatar> yep
41:21 <Graky> i got the one from the newbie guide
47:42 <Avatar> yep cool
47:48 <Avatar> did you get the one from paizo.com
47:50 <Avatar> the PFS guide
50:38 <Ballig> Avatar: I'm in Canberra
51:04 <Ballig> Graky's probably in Cooma :O
53:02 <Graky> i added it to my cart now I can download a bunch of things 
53:25 <Graky> core rulebook 4.0 is what i need?
53:39 <Avatar> you need a core rulebook or the srd
53:45 <Avatar> can you get a free core rulebook?
53:54 <Avatar> or are you just going to buy one
54:31 <Graky> i have Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Reference Document which is like 581 pages
54:38 <Graky> and the free one i just downloaded 
56:08 <Graky> I have a 577 page core rulebook now >.>
58:49 <Avatar> that sounds like the real one
58:55 <Avatar> shit they are doing it for fre enow
00:26 <MekkisScreen>  they are!?
03:22 <Graky> the free document you're talking about is 45 pages?
03:43 <Avatar> yeah, the PFS guide
03:44 <Graky> i have like 5 pdf files, i hope one of them is the right one
03:50 <Avatar> but the core rulebook is about 500 odd pages
04:42 <Graky> first chapter is pathfinder society basics
04:48 <Graky> this the correct one
04:50 <Graky> ?
04:59 <Avatar> YEP
05:02 <Avatar> go to the chapter 2
05:19 <Avatar> there is really nothing in chapter 1 that you need to know I think
06:02 <Graky> alright
06:06 <Avatar> it tells you you have to register the character you create but there is a link on that page I gave you that directs you there
06:39 <Graky> yeah i saw that
06:44 <Graky> i have to make the char first though?
07:06 <Avatar> yeah
07:23 <Graky> ok
08:36 <Avatar> step 1 says choose abilities and race
08:38 <Avatar> but
08:41 <Avatar> choose a class first
09:33 <Avatar> then base your abilities and race on your class
09:42 <Graky> alright
10:11 <Graky> so does it matter what i pick for a first character or is there a combination that would be good for someone new to the game
10:28 <Graky> i assume a melee char would be easier than a spellcaster for a first char?
10:42 <Mekkis> I would suggest a sorcerer
10:52 <Mekkis> melee can be difficult
11:59 <Graky> alright sorc sounds fine
12:50 <Avatar> no pick one you like man
13:01 <Avatar> magic can be more difficult
13:18 <Graky> i was thinking monk, are they hard to play?
13:53 <Mekkis> avoid it for your first character
13:56 <Avatar> what kind of class do you want to play, melee, ranged or magic?
14:01 <Mekkis> they are very hard to play well
14:14 <Graky> melee
14:52 <Graky> but not a rogue sort of character
14:58 <Graky> barb?
15:05 <Avatar> barb is good
15:47 <Avatar> fighter, barbarian or paladin probably for melee
16:06 <Mekkis> ranger is good too
16:25 <Mekkis> (although if you're sticking with core only, I'd avoid it)
16:39 <Graky> i think barb looks fine
16:48 <Avatar> ok so go back to step 1 now
16:53 <Avatar> do you have a character sheet template open
17:29 <Graky> i do now
17:41 <Avatar> which one
17:50 <Graky> .txt file
17:56 <Avatar> only the best, well done
17:59 <Graky> haha
18:06 <Avatar> so put in barbarian as your class
18:10 <Avatar> then go back to step 1
18:25 <Avatar> you start with all of them at 10
18:29 <Avatar> 10 +0
18:41 <Avatar> the +0 bit is your ability mod, that's the important part 
18:51 <Avatar> but you buy points by upping or dropping the 10
19:06 <Avatar> there's a table there that shows you how many of your 20 points you have to spend to change the 10 into something else
19:07 <Mekkis> shouldn't you choose race before adding abilities/
19:15 <Avatar> why
19:48 <Avatar> easiest way to get 20 points to begin with is to pick 4 abilities you want higher, and make them 14
19:54 <Avatar> so you 4 14's and 2 10's
20:01 <Avatar> and then adjust accordingly to fine-tune it
20:09 <Avatar> you can pick race around the same time
20:20 <Graky> so you have to look at the core book for the abilities?
20:32 <Graky> i only see a small section about abilities no actual skills etc
20:32 <Avatar> it's in step 1 of chapter 2 of the PFS guide
20:51 <Avatar> er, step 2 of chapter 2
20:54 <Avatar> there's a table there
21:39 <Graky> only table I see is a cost table
21:45 <Graky> :/
21:57 <Graky> i was looking up the classes in the core rulebook i downloaded
22:08 <Avatar> yeah ability score costs
22:48 <Avatar> so uh
23:00 <Avatar> str is your hitting power for to-hit and damage
23:04 <Avatar> chance to-hit
23:09 <Avatar> for MELEE
23:20 <Avatar> dex is your chance to-hit and damage for ranged attacks
23:24 <Avatar> your dodging AC
23:40 <Avatar> con is your hp
23:42 <Mekkis> for you, STR is the most important ability
23:45 <Avatar> int is your skills
23:53 <Avatar> wis is your perception and a few of your skills
24:01 <Avatar> cha is what a sweet talker you are
24:14 <Avatar> you will probably want to focus on the first 4
24:29 <Graky> so dwarf barb 
24:39 <Graky> I should have high str
24:44 <Graky> and con
24:52 <Avatar> con, dex and wis are important for your saves as well, which lets you do things like resist poison, dodge traps and fireballs, resist mind control
24:54 <Graky> not worry as much about int/wis/char?
25:02 <Graky> hmm
25:13 <Avatar> also 
25:20 <Avatar> your ability mod only changes on even numbers
25:24 <Avatar> so 10,11 is +0
25:26 <Avatar> 12,13 is +1
25:32 <Avatar> and so forth up till 18,19 is +4
25:41 <Avatar> if you want to go down, 8,9 is -1 and 6,7 is -2
26:00 <Avatar> the way most of your dice rolls work is you roll a dice + your ability mod
26:21 <Avatar> so your chance to hit in melee with a 14 (+2) str might be 1d20+2
26:24 <Graky> so what would you suggest
26:32 <Avatar> does that make sense
26:37 <Graky> yeah i understand
26:38 <Mekkis> depending on your race
26:44 <Avatar> so what do you want to be able to do
26:55 <Graky> smash faces and take damage =)
27:00 <Graky> i dont really care about cha
27:08 <Avatar> okay well str will help you smash faces
27:13 <Avatar> dex and con will help you take damage
27:13 <Mekkis> I would suggest 16 str, 14 dex, 14 con, 12 int, 10 wis, 8 cha
27:36 <Avatar> that would be solid
27:40 <Graky> alright sounds good
27:49 <Avatar> so chuck those on your sheet
27:56 <Graky> the mods are from dwarf i assume?
28:01 <Mekkis> if you're playing a dwarf, I'd do something else
28:07 <Mekkis> sorry, didn't see dwarf
28:11 <Avatar> 16 is 10 points, 14 is 5 points, 14 is 5 points, 12 is 2 points, 8 gives you 2 points back
28:23 <Graky> yeah id want to go dwarf
28:26 <Mekkis> for dwarf, you might want to swap wisdom and cha around
28:39 <Mekkis> depends on exactly how social you see yourself
28:52 <Mekkis> (6 cha is pretty timid, and very ugly
29:06 <Avatar> skills is not just how good you look
29:16 <Graky> aye
29:19 <Avatar> intimidate is a charisma skill
29:25 <Mekkis> yes
29:27 <Graky> id be playing a gruff soldier sort of dwarf
29:27 <Avatar> diplomacy, bluff
29:37 <Graky> rather be in combat than trying to be diplomatic
29:46 <Avatar> sometimes you'll need to be diplomatic though
29:51 <Mekkis> it's difficult to intimidate people if they don't notice you
29:58 <Graky> hmm
30:04 <Mekkis> I mean, there's nothing really WRONG with having 6 charisma
30:10 <Graky> intimidation is based off char?
30:13 <Mekkis> yes
30:15 <Avatar> yeah
30:20 <Avatar> wisdom is important too though
30:20 <Graky> ah
30:36 <Avatar> resisting charms is very important and will be tough for the life of your character to improve
30:53 <Avatar> you need it for perception (the most common skill in the game), sense motive
30:54 <Graky> well, im happy to do what will be easier to play as i said its going to be my first character
30:56 <Mekkis> (and with practise, you can get results through intimidation even with low charisma)
31:15 <Mekkis> (if I were you, I'd just keep it like that
31:21 <Mekkis> 16 14 14 12 10 8
31:41 <Graky> alright
31:42 <Avatar> it just means if you want to intimidate someone, as a barbarian, you'll be doing -2 with it based on your abilities
31:58 <Avatar> that could sting
32:07 <Avatar> you can come back to it
32:20 <Graky> so 
32:20 <Graky> 16 str, 14 dex, 14 con, 12 int, 8 wis, 10 cha
32:22 <Graky> ?
32:27 <Avatar> it's up to you man
32:29 <Graky> are mods based on race?
32:30 <Avatar> what do you want
32:37 <Avatar> your race changes your mods a bit
32:53 <Graky> id like a char thats easy to play kinda
32:55 <Graky> so i can learn the game
33:01 <Graky> then make a new character when I know what im doing
33:02 <Avatar> dwarves get +2 con, +2 wis and -2 cha after you apply the 20 point buy
33:02 <Graky> heh
33:15 <Avatar> if you're happy with it, stick wtih it
33:19 <Mekkis> dwarf will make it 16 14 16 12 12 6
33:21 <Avatar> you can rebuild your character through level 1 in between games
33:28 <Graky> well that sounds fine then
33:38 <Avatar> that con is pretty damn high
33:48 <Graky> isnt that good
33:50 <Mekkis> commendable
33:51 <Graky> for a melee
33:51 <Avatar> as a barbarian, you've already got the most hp in the game
34:06 <Mekkis> I say Go For IT!
34:11 <Graky> haha
34:21 <Avatar> there have been games where you get stuck because you have only combat skills and no people skills
34:38 <Graky> there will be others in the party though?
34:40 <Graky> lol
34:47 <Avatar> yeah and imagine if they all think like this
34:56 <Avatar> LOL I just want to smash people lolz
35:00 <Mekkis> Put it this way, with a statline like that, you'll very rarely feel /useless/ in combat.
35:07 <Graky> =(
35:12 <Mekkis> (that's why I'm recommending it)
35:17 <Graky> lol
35:21 <Avatar> you'll rarely feel useless in combat ever
35:24 <Avatar> you're a barbarian
35:36 <Avatar> unless you manage to drop your str and dex to 8
35:40 <Avatar> that could be a problem
35:42 <Mekkis> (out-of-combat, you can always roleplay around the skills you lack)
35:55 <Avatar> you can't always roleplay around it
36:06 <Graky> so
36:07 <Avatar> sometimes you need to meet a number and you'll screw yourself and/or your party if you can't
36:08 <Graky> under mod
36:12 <Graky> so I add +2 and -2
36:28 <Graky> ?
36:34 <Avatar> no, the race adjustments go t your ability score, not your ability mod
36:56 <Avatar> so your 14 con becomes 16 con
36:57 <Graky> so i just set the stats with the racial bonuses
37:06 * Mekkis fondly remembers a game of Red Harvest where David Astley's Darvesh kept talking continuously to an NPC. When the DM asked him for a check, he said "I'm not trying to be diplomatic, I'm just going to keep talking until he understands"
37:07 <Avatar> +2 becomes +3 on your con
37:49 <Graky> hokay
38:09 <Mekkis> under mod, you put stat / 2 - 5
38:20 <Mekkis> so the 16 str becomes +3
38:30 <Mekkis> and the 14 dex becomes +2
38:30 <Avatar> what
38:36 <Graky> not sure i undersand
38:44 <Graky> Str: 16  +X
38:44 <Graky> Dex: 14  +X
38:45 <Graky> Con: 16  +X
38:45 <Graky> Int: 12  +X
38:45 <Graky> Wis: 12  +X
38:45 <Graky> Cha: 6   +X
38:48 <Graky> is what i have at the moment
38:57 <Avatar> remember what I said before, 10 or 11 is +0
39:00 <Avatar> 12 or 13 is +1
39:02 <Avatar> etc
39:06 <Mekkis> so str will be +3
39:09 <Mekkis> dex will be +2
40:05 <Graky> so is 6 is
40:09 <Graky> -3?
40:14 <Graky> or 2
40:37 <Avatar> 10 11 is +1
40:42 <Avatar> er
40:42 <Avatar> +0
40:46 <Avatar> 8 9 is -1
40:50 <Avatar> 6 7 is -2
41:01 <Graky> so Str: 16  +3
41:01 <Graky> Dex: 14  +2
41:01 <Graky> Con: 16  +3
41:01 <Graky> Int: 12  +1
41:01 <Graky> Wis: 12  +1
41:01 <Graky> Cha: 6   -2
41:04 <Graky> would be correct
41:26 <Avatar> yep
41:28 <Graky> hokay
41:39 <Avatar> you can chuck in some of the dwarf bonuses in the book
41:42 <Avatar> under MISC BONUSES on the sheet
41:51 <Avatar> put down anything you want to use that you think you'll forget
42:18 <Avatar> then move onto stop 3
42:23 <Avatar> step* 3
43:45 <Graky> languages?
44:07 <Avatar> yeah
44:16 <Mekkis> you get Taldan, Dwarf and one other
44:28 <Avatar> where does it say you get talden
44:32 <Mekkis> (Taldan is Common)
44:34 <Graky> what would be a good choice
44:40 <Avatar> taldane
44:50 <Avatar> there is no 'good choice'
44:52 <Mekkis> Giant, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, Terran, and Undercommon are your options
44:52 <Avatar> pick what you like
45:04 <Mekkis> I would suggest Terran or Goblin
45:45 <Avatar> I would avoid giant like the plague
45:48 <Mekkis> hehe
45:50 <Avatar> any of the others are fine
46:12 <Avatar> can't dwarves take golarion modern languages
46:15 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure they can
46:17 <Mekkis> no
46:39 <Graky> Dwarves with high Intelligence
46:40 <Graky> scores can choose from the following: Giant, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, Terran, and Undercommon.
46:42 <Avatar> where does it say they can't
46:50 <Avatar> yeah they aren't core languages
46:53 <Mekkis> where does it say that they can
47:02 <Avatar> in the PFS guide
47:11 <Avatar> it doesn't specify dwarves, but it doesn't say they are an exception
49:09 <Graky> goblin looks fine
49:38 <Avatar> yep step 4
49:58 <Avatar> this is probably the toughest part of the sheet, but it's not that hard
50:16 <Avatar> open up the core rulebook under barbarian
50:21 <Avatar> and go to where it talks about your class skills
51:05 <Graky> ok
51:29 <Avatar> so you get a certain amount of skill points to spend plus whatever your int mod is, per level
51:41 <Avatar> what does that work out to
51:43 <Mekkis> so 3
51:52 <Avatar> thanks mekkis
51:57 <Graky> hahaha
52:19 <Avatar> go to skills on your character sheet and fill in that top bit
53:10 <Graky> hokay
54:22 <Avatar> take a break and upload your sheet to the site once you've done that
54:36 <Avatar> register if you haven't already done so
55:08 <Graky> k
57:23 <Graky> so just fill in the boxes with info from the .txt?
57:30 <Graky> there is no actual way to upload the file i assume
00:14 <Graky> is there a particular faction I should be picking
00:57 <Mekkis> as a suggestion (one that you don't need to follow, I would suggest either Andoran, Cheliax, Osirion, Taldor or Qadira)
01:36 <Mekkis> simply because the newer factions give you older factions' missions when you're playing the older scenarios
03:00 <Graky> where do i find the class bonuses for barb?
03:12 <Mekkis> in the rulebook
03:14 <Mekkis> chapter 3
04:10 <Avatar> yeah upload the file to the site
04:19 <Avatar> www.pfrpg.com.au, hit register on the top right if you haven't already
04:28 <Avatar> then you can upload it
05:13 <Graky> ah, my bad i thought you ment upload char to paizo.com
05:33 <Avatar> no
05:49 <Avatar> you need to get a PFS number from paizo.com but you can get that later
06:35 <Avatar> pick any faction you want, don't just stick to those 5
07:30 <Mekkis> as I said: it's a suggestion
07:47 <Avatar> you're making too many suggestions for him
07:52 <Avatar> let him be his own character
08:39 <Mekkis> if the guide says "pick your faction" and he asks "what faction do I pick?" and you say "pick any one", you're not being helpful at all
09:10 <Avatar> it is very helpful if the right way to do it is to read it and pick what you like rather than asking other people for recommendations
09:18 <Graky> its uploaded
09:33 <Mekkis> no, you're telling him what he already knows
09:41 <Avatar> most new players will just get vets to make choices for them instead of helping them learn to do it themselves
10:00 <Avatar> he may as well use a pregen if you're just going to make recommendations
10:10 <Avatar> that's not teaching the game
10:49 <Mekkis> when I first created my character, I asked "What faction should I play", and Girble said "play Qadira", and I looked at Girble, and thought "well... not Qadira then..."
11:25 <Avatar> completely not relevant
11:52 <Graky> i fixed a couple of things and reuploaded
12:03 <Graky> so barb bonuses are the things you gain as you level?
12:04 <Avatar> link it to us
12:24 <Avatar> you get all sorts of funky stuff when you level up
12:35 <Graky> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=514
13:09 <Avatar> up the top, put in your character name and ditch domains (you don't get them since you're not a cleric)
13:16 <Avatar> as a dwarf you're medium sized
13:29 <Avatar> most of the rest you can make up there
14:12 <Avatar> go back down to skills when you're done with that
14:20 <Graky> so for skills, id goto barb in the rulebook and find what things apply to a level 1
14:26 <Graky> and add them
14:30 <Avatar> in that top bit
14:41 <Avatar> you need 3 = 2(class) + 1(int) + 0(human)
15:00 <Avatar> because you get 2 points for being a barbarian, 1 point for a 12 int and 0 points because you're not a human and don't get that bonus
15:07 <Graky> alright
15:19 <Avatar> so what you do under that
15:34 <Avatar> look at your class skills, and copy/paste each of the skills under class or cross class
15:40 <Avatar> if it's a class skill, keep it in the top section
15:44 <Avatar> if not, keep it in the bottom section
15:59 <Avatar> this will be a huge help when you level up later
16:37 <Avatar> all of the numbers that are on the sheet to begin with are just examples of how the thing is meant to be set out
16:43 <Avatar> you'll end up putting your own there
17:35 <Graky> so
17:49 <Avatar> have you done that
17:59 <Graky> not yet was doing discription >.>
18:02 <Graky> Climb                         str*  0 =  +0
18:17 <Avatar> is climb a class skill for you
18:22 <Graky> would be +3
18:24 <Graky> yeah
18:27 <Avatar> forget the numbers for now
18:34 <Avatar> keep that line up the top
18:39 <Avatar> go down the list of all your class skills
18:48 <Graky> and just move them
18:49 <Graky> ok
18:51 <Avatar> yeah
21:30 <Graky> hokay
21:32 <Graky> done
21:35 <Avatar> awesome
21:42 <Avatar> now look at each of the columns
21:52 <Avatar> this is a bit confusing
21:58 <Avatar> ranks is your 3 points per level that you get to spend
22:03 <Avatar> abil is your ability mod
22:10 <Avatar> you can fill in the ability mod for all of your skills now
22:19 <Avatar> climb is your +3 str
22:23 <Avatar> etc
22:25 <Graky> yep
22:29 <Avatar> intimidate is your -2 cha
22:34 <Graky> =/
22:36 <Graky> lol
22:38 <Avatar> YEP
22:41 <Avatar> now you're feeling it
22:52 <Graky> least scary dwarf ever
23:05 <Avatar> some good news coming up when you've done that though
23:26 <Graky> so
23:34 <Graky> things like craft and handle animal have no formula
23:40 <Graky> do i not add anything for those
23:50 <Avatar> yeah uh
24:02 <Avatar> if there's nothing next to it, that means you have to put 1 rank into it to use it
24:08 <Graky> oh ok
24:16 <Avatar> like all the knowledge skills
24:18 <Avatar> craft, profession
24:29 <Avatar> spellcraft, linguistics
25:19 <Graky> ok so done
25:29 <Avatar> alright
25:39 <Avatar> so those 3 points you have, you can spend them in your ranks section
25:55 <Avatar> you can only a max of 1 rank into any skill, since you're level 1
26:05 <Avatar> but putting a rank into it means you have "trained" it
26:19 <Avatar> and if it's a class skill, that also means you get a +3 "class" bonus
26:24 <Graky> so you have to have 1 point at least to use it?
26:32 <Graky> IE can i climb something
26:35 <Graky> with no ranks of climb
26:40 <Avatar> you need at least 1 point in some of those skills I mentioned above
26:50 <Avatar> the ones that have nothing next to it
26:50 <Graky> but things like climb etc?
26:55 <Avatar> climb you can use untrained
26:58 <Graky> alright
27:01 <Avatar> just from your str alone
27:05 <Avatar> but if you put 1 rank in it
27:09 <Avatar> you get a +3 class bonus
27:13 <Graky> ah
27:15 <Graky> so
27:16 <Avatar> so what's your climb now, +3
27:18 <Graky> its probably worth it
27:21 <Avatar> you can make it +7
27:24 <Avatar> with just 1 point
27:36 <Graky> so
27:38 <Avatar> you can do that with any of your class skills
27:46 <Graky> with cross class things with formulas
27:48 <Graky> i can use
27:52 <Graky> with no skill
27:59 <Graky> ie bluff
28:00 <Graky> etc
28:00 <Avatar> so your intimidate, which is a class skill for you, can be boosted from -2 to +2
28:10 <Avatar> cross class is the same deal, except no +3 class bonus
28:15 <Graky> alright
28:29 <Avatar> that's pretty much everything you need to know about skills
28:38 <Graky> yeah that seems pretty easy really
28:39 <Avatar> the number on the left is the total, so add it all up
28:57 <Avatar> and upload it again when you're done
29:37 <Graky> so if i put a point in climb it makes it 3 mod 3 class 1 rank
29:40 <Graky> so 7 goes in abil
30:22 <Avatar> right
30:32 <Avatar> 7 goes in mod
30:43 <Graky> oh?
30:51 <Avatar> yeah it's a bit of a dumb column name
30:54 <Avatar> it means skill mod
30:55 <Graky> haha
31:16 <Avatar> in other words, your skill mod for climb is 1d20 ... +3
31:18 <Avatar> or +7
31:27 <Graky> ya
34:46 <Graky> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=514
34:51 <Graky> ok so hopefully that is correct so far
35:12 <Avatar> yep looks good
35:26 <Avatar> except you can't add up for acrobatics 
35:30 <Graky> LOL
35:31 <Graky> oops
35:34 <Graky> haha
35:54 <Avatar> ok so that's the hard part done
36:01 <Avatar> step 5 is FEATS
36:16 <Mekkis> feats is easy
36:22 <Mekkis> Power Attack :)
36:31 <Avatar> yeah instead of taking a recommendation
36:51 <Avatar> you should be aware creating your first character can be the best part of your gaming experience
37:03 <Mekkis> it should
37:09 <Graky> looking at feasts section now
37:10 <Avatar> and taking a recommendation of your feats and traits sort of destroys part of that
37:11 <Graky> >.>
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37:28 <Avatar> at a minimum, pick a bunch of feats you think you might like and create a shortlist
37:47 <Avatar> then either pick one of those out yourself or then get a recommendation
37:53 <Mekkis> it's a rite of passage to create a crappy character to start with, and play it for at least 30 hours before you realise this, and create a playable one
38:06 <Graky> lol
38:19 <Avatar> that's not how it is
38:33 <Mekkis> and "because it happened to me, that's how it should happen to everyone"
38:37 <Avatar> if you min max your character that's how you might look at regular feats
39:09 <Avatar> you can skip feats for now and move on to the next bit
39:20 <Avatar> feats and traits can really come last
39:38 <Avatar> under step 6: faction, it gives you a quick summary of each faction
39:48 <Avatar> this is the best spot to pick a faction if you don't want to read the full factions section
40:15 <Avatar> the only reason you might find a faction that you want to pick is because a trait you like requires you to be part of that faction
40:36 <Avatar> but you get a better experience if you can relate to the faction, even if you're not that much of a roleplayer
41:44 <Graky> Osirion seems fine
42:18 <Mekkis> sounds good to me
42:36 <Avatar> faction goes at the top of your sheet
42:40 <Graky> yep
43:20 <Avatar> to pick your traits, go back here: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
43:28 <Avatar> and pathfinder traits is down the bottom
43:55 <Avatar> make sure whatever 2 traits you pick, they're two different 'types'
44:16 <Avatar> like feats, you can skip this and do it later
44:38 <Avatar> do you know how alignment works?
44:57 <Graky> i get the gist of what they mean i dont know how they will effect my character in this game
45:12 <Avatar> there's 9 different alignments
45:20 <Mekkis> can you describe your character's attitude to life?
45:22 <Avatar> lawful good, lawful netural, lawful evil
45:35 <Avatar> neutral good, true neutral, neutral evil
45:37 <Graky> aye
45:42 <Avatar> chaotic good, chaotic neutral, chaotic evil
45:48 <Avatar> you're a barbarian, so you can't be lawful anything
45:55 <Avatar> and PFS doesn't allow anyone to be evil
46:09 <Avatar> so you can be NG, TN, CG or CN
46:25 <Avatar> based on your character's attitude to life
46:40 <Graky> hmm
46:51 <Avatar> some GMs will actually ask you a bit about your character 
46:58 <Avatar> so have a bit of a think about it
47:08 <Avatar> not important, you can come back to it
47:23 <Avatar> hit points is next
47:29 <Avatar> hit points is near the top of the page
47:43 <Graky> ye
47:49 <Avatar> there's a table in step 9 of the PFS guide
47:59 <Avatar> at first level you get 12 hit points as a barbarian
48:06 <Avatar> you add your con mod each level
48:28 <Graky> so
48:30 <Avatar> at every other level you add 7+con mod
48:35 <Graky> you start with 7 for level 1?
48:44 <Avatar> no, you get at least 12
48:46 <Graky> +barb starting
48:48 <Avatar> what was your con mod
48:58 <Graky> +3 con
49:02 <Avatar> so 15
49:22 <Avatar> next level you get 10 (7+3)
49:28 <Graky> so
49:29 <Avatar> and 10 for every other level
49:38 <Graky> what is the hit dice part
49:46 <Avatar> your 'hit dice' is d12
49:59 <Graky> not sure what that means
50:01 <Avatar> the way it works is you take the maximum at first level
50:05 <Graky> ah
50:05 <Avatar> on a 12-sided dice
50:06 <Graky> and roll
50:07 <Graky> for the bonus
50:10 <Graky> after
50:15 <Avatar> then at every other level, you halve that and round up
50:22 <Graky> oh
50:34 <Avatar> that is annoying to remember, so just remember 12+7+7+7+7+7
50:40 <Avatar> plus your con mod each level
50:46 <Avatar> this is why a high con is good
50:56 <Graky> heh
51:17 <Avatar> if people have a con of anything less than 12, I warn them to rethink their stats
51:32 <Avatar> 14 is ideal if they can afford it
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51:56 <Avatar> so now you know how hp and skills work, there's thing called a FAVOURED CLASS point
52:06 <Mekkis> unless it's my character, in which you kill him
52:12 <Mekkis> (no hard feelings, Avatar)
52:21 <Avatar> where you get to pick a bonus hp or skill point every level
52:35 <Avatar> (assuming you don't multiclass away from barbarian)
52:45 <Graky> probably not
52:51 <Graky> considering im just starting out
52:54 <Graky> heh
53:20 <Avatar> pick what you like there, add it on
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53:39 <Graky> so
53:41 <Graky> is it just 1 hp
53:44 <Avatar> yeah
53:46 <Graky> vs 1 skill point
53:50 <Avatar> 1 hit point or 1 skill point
54:07 <Avatar> mekkis likes putting it in hp all the time I think, I like putting it where it's needed more
54:14 <Mekkis> I almost always recommend HP, but with a barbarian with 16 con, it's a different matter...
54:27 <Graky> heh
54:34 <Avatar> you're screaming a bit for skills
55:33 <Graky> survival seems like it would be useful
55:59 <Graky> i assume its best to pick class bonus skills starting out?
56:19 <Avatar> yeah
56:19 <Mekkis> unless you have an idea of what your character's skilled at, that you want to reinforce
56:23 <Avatar> or untrained skills
56:40 <Avatar> if you have a specific character concept in mind and want to stick to that, then stick to it
57:33 <Mekkis> Craft (Human leg roast)
57:34 <Avatar> after you've done that, you get to pick your weapons and armor and shizzit
57:52 <Avatar> oh uh
58:05 <Avatar> there's this thing in PFS called a day job
58:16 <Avatar> where you roll a dice against your craft, profession or perform skill
58:19 <Avatar> if you have a rank in it
58:25 <Avatar> and you get a bit of extra gold 
58:37 <Mekkis> !dayjob +4
58:37 <Graky> idt i picked any of those
58:38 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 13 5gp
58:58 <Avatar> yeah you might want to consider it before your first game
59:05 <Graky> hmm
59:22 <Avatar> there's a table that tells you how much you get
59:29 <Graky> so
59:32 <Graky> if i put 1 in craft
59:38 <Avatar> p22
59:39 <Graky> i dont get a class bonus or anything
59:42 <Graky> i can just use that skill
59:46 <Avatar> craft is a class skill for you
59:51 <Avatar> so is profession
59:58 <Avatar> what's highest out of your int wis and cha?
00:18 <Graky> +1
00:18 <Graky> lol
00:24 <Avatar> yeah which ability is that
00:29 <Avatar> int?
00:31 <Graky> int or wis
00:32 <Graky> are the same
00:41 <Avatar> either craft or profession then
00:47 <Avatar> craft is int, profession is wis
00:54 <Avatar> you don't have to
00:56 <Avatar> it's not much money
01:11 <Avatar> a roll of 20 will get you 20gp
01:24 <Avatar> a total of 20, should I say
01:47 <Graky> i prob wont bother with that
01:48 <Avatar> so if you have 4 in craft (whatever) then you'll need to roll a 16 or higher to get 20gp
01:58 <Avatar> alright
02:06 <Avatar> well open up the equipment chapter and pick out a weapon and some armor
02:22 <Avatar> in fact before you even do that
02:35 <Avatar> open up the class chapter in the core rulebook
02:38 <Avatar> where the big table is
02:51 <Avatar> you can fill out some other stuff you've missed that will make your character start to make some real sense
03:07 <Avatar> go to where it has SAVES and ATTACKS
03:13 <Avatar> on your sheet
03:26 <Graky> ok
03:36 <Avatar> say when you've got those open
03:43 <Graky> yeah
03:52 <Avatar> alright your saves
03:54 <Graky> table with atk bonus etc
04:00 <Avatar> your base save and your base attack are listed in that table
04:03 <Avatar> first row for level 1
04:18 <Avatar> fill those in next to the saves and attacks section where it says (base)
04:31 <Avatar> and fill in the mods as well next to your saves
04:35 <Graky> melee and ranged are both +1?
04:43 <Avatar> yeah, for your base attack bonus (BAB)
05:10 <Avatar> but for melee you add your str mod, for ranged you add your dex mod
05:20 <Avatar> you're medium, so your size mod is 0
05:23 <Graky> the mod or my stat
05:29 <Avatar> mod
05:46 <Graky> aight
05:47 <Avatar> you hardly ever deal with your ability score, with about two small exceptions
06:06 <Graky> so
06:12 <Graky> what are CMB and CMD
06:12 <Avatar> so what've you got
06:18 <Graky> HP:       	 15/15  (12/class + 3/con, per level after 1st)
06:21 <Graky> er
06:25 <Graky> Melee:   x   =  x(1) +x(3) +x(0)
06:25 <Graky> Ranged:  x   =  x(1) +x(2) +x(0)
06:33 <Avatar> replace the x's
06:36 <Avatar> not the words
06:43 <Avatar> they're meant to tell you what the number is
06:46 <Avatar> LOL
06:47 <Graky> >.>
06:58 <Avatar> Melee:   x   =  x(base) +x(str) +x(size)
06:59 <Avatar> Ranged:  x   =  x(base) +x(dex) +x(size)
07:38 <Graky> hokay
07:39 <Graky> Melee:   x   =  1(base) +3(str) +0(size)
07:39 <Graky> Ranged:  x   =  1(base) +2(dex) +0(size)
08:49 <Avatar> yep
08:54 <Avatar> the x on the left is the total
09:15 <Graky> k
09:22 <Avatar> CMB and CMD are for things like tripping, disarming and other combat maneuvers
09:29 <Avatar> combat maneuver bonus and defence
09:41 <Graky> so
09:41 <Avatar> you can fill all of that in, it's straightforward once you know that much
09:51 <Graky> its just base atk again?
10:04 <Avatar> yeah, base attack and base save are always the same according to your class table
10:09 <Avatar> that class table is your new best friend
10:40 <Graky> heh
11:01 <Graky> so i add fast movement and rage
11:03 <Graky> to skills
11:04 <Graky> i guess
11:17 <Graky> er
11:18 <Graky> bonuses
11:42 <Avatar> to MISC BONUSES
12:09 <Avatar> the text sheet is good for adding a short description so you know what those things actually do
12:17 <Graky> yeah
12:19 <Avatar> instead of having to look it up in the rulebook mid-game
12:21 <Graky> thats what i was adding them for
12:22 <Graky> heh
12:40 <Avatar> did you do SAVES
13:02 <Graky> nop
13:08 <Graky> so
13:22 <Graky> base would be +2 then +3 con
13:27 <Graky> for fort
13:33 <Avatar> sounds right
13:55 <Avatar> these sections are about the time you might want to rethink what abilities you chose right at the beginning of this
14:08 <Avatar> because you can fine tune them further to change these numbers a bit
14:16 <Avatar> you have a different perspective now
14:37 <Graky> Fortitude:  5 = +2(base) +3 (con)
14:38 <Graky> Reflex:     2 = +0(base) +2 (dex)
14:38 <Graky> Will:       1 = +0(base) +1 (wis)
14:44 <Avatar> looks good
15:18 <Avatar> so go down to AC
15:32 <Avatar> you haven't picked armour or a shield yet
15:38 <Avatar> size is 0, misc is 0
15:38 <Graky> change dex and size
15:39 <Graky> i guess
15:42 <Avatar> yep
15:53 <Avatar> this is where you can go back to equipment and suit up
16:03 <Avatar> the way combat works
16:13 <Avatar> is your attack roll has to hit their AC, and vice versa
16:24 <Graky> so
16:29 <Graky> if they have 3ac you do 5 dmg
16:30 <Graky> you do 2
16:32 <Avatar> so your 1d20+melee has to match their AC or go higher
16:34 <Graky> for exacmple
16:36 <Graky> -c
16:53 <Avatar> say they have an AC of 17
17:11 <Avatar> that's maybe a dex of 16 and a chain shirt
17:23 <Avatar> if you have a melee attack of +3
17:27 <Avatar> !roll 1d20+3
17:28 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20+3: [1d20=18] 21
17:34 <Avatar> that's a hit, because 21 > 17
17:38 <Graky> ah
17:48 <Avatar> then you roll damage based on what weapon you brought to the fun
18:02 <Avatar> !roll 1d8
18:02 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d8: [1d8=5] 5
18:10 <Avatar> plus whatever your str score is
18:19 <Graky> hokay
18:21 <Avatar> two handed weapons will deal more damage, but a shield will raise your AC
18:40 <Avatar> make sure you take both a melee weapon and a ranged weapon
18:52 <Graky> having a high con means 2h is viable though
18:54 <Graky> ?
18:57 <Mekkis> yep
19:04 <Avatar> 2h is always viable
19:07 <Mekkis> at first level, your "ranged Weapon" can be a rock you throw at someone
19:12 <Graky> haha
19:24 <Avatar> dealing 1d3 damage
19:27 <Avatar> if rocks are around
19:29 <Mekkis> 2h is generally more viable than sword and shield
19:43 <Avatar> pick what you like
19:46 <Graky> 2h it is
21:51 <Graky> so buying starting equipment
21:55 <Graky> Barbarian 3d6 × 10 gp 105 gp
22:02 <Avatar> no, you start out with 150gp
22:09 <Graky> hokay
22:10 <Avatar> everyone is on a level playing field for PFS with gold
22:47 <Avatar> in the first set of scenarios you play, you'll get about 500gp per scenario/session
23:06 * Mekkis recalls his first character - a monk. His 4d4gp he started with allowed him to begin play with a whole EIGHT shurikin!
23:09 <Avatar> it'll be like that for about the first 3 levels
23:17 <Graky> lol
23:23 <Graky> so
23:29 <Graky> barb should be in medium armor?
23:36 <Avatar> whatever you like
23:44 <Mekkis> if you can afford it - which you probably can't
23:51 <Avatar> you're proficient only in light and medium armor
24:17 <Graky> aye
24:27 <Avatar> those weapon, shield and armour proficiencies are actually considered feats as well, so it's plenty fine to list them on your sheet as feats
24:57 <Avatar> technically you only get 1 "real" feat though
25:35 <Graky> so
25:42 <Graky> if I buy a greatsword for 50g
25:47 <Graky> how do i work out the bonus i get 
26:14 <Avatar> alright going from left to right
26:33 <Avatar> overwrite the morningstar example that's there piece by piece
26:49 <Avatar> you only get one attack, not two
26:52 <Avatar> it's your melee attack
27:17 <Avatar> so you should have Greatsword       +? 
27:23 <Avatar> with ? being whatever your melee bonus is
27:40 <Graky> so
27:41 <Graky> +4?
27:54 <Avatar> is it +4
27:56 <Avatar> you tell em
27:57 <Avatar> me
27:58 <Graky> Melee:   4   =  1(base) +3(str) +0(size)
28:07 <Avatar> yeah 
28:09 <Graky> i assume it is
28:14 <Graky> not going to throw it
28:15 <Graky> =/
28:45 <Graky> so
28:52 <Avatar> what's the damage on a greatsword
28:53 <Graky> +4 isnt a bonus to the greatsword its melee bonus
29:04 <Avatar> it's your chance to hit
29:09 <Avatar> "total attack bonus"
29:16 <Graky> 1d10S  2d6M
29:29 <Graky> 19–20/×2 critical
29:29 <Avatar> you have your BAB which is your base attack bonus, and your TAB which is your total attack bonus
29:45 <Avatar> ok, you're a medium creature, so you'll need a medium sized greatsword which does 2d6
30:00 <Avatar> it's a two-handed weapon, so you also do 1.5x your str mod on top of that
30:07 <Avatar> what's your str mod again
30:12 <Graky> 3
30:26 <Avatar> x1.5 = 4.5, you round that down to 4
30:30 <Avatar> so 2d6+4
30:43 <Avatar> not bad at all for a 1st level character
31:00 <Graky> so
31:02 <Graky> crit x2
31:06 <Avatar> (pretty much always round everything down)
31:09 <Graky> and no type?
31:16 <Avatar> type is listed in the weapons table
31:26 <Graky> ah
31:27 <Graky> S
31:35 <Graky> slashing?
31:36 <Avatar> greatsword isn't x2
31:41 <Mekkis> yes it is
31:44 <Avatar> you said before 19-20/x2
31:46 <Mekkis> it's 19-20/x2
31:53 <Graky> says here 19–20/×2
32:06 <Avatar> so what's <Graky> crit x2
32:39 <Avatar> the way critical hits work
32:59 <Avatar> if you roll a 20 on the attack roll, without any bonuses, that's a critical hit
33:11 <Avatar> you have to roll again to confirm that it's a critical hit
33:23 <Avatar> if your second roll beats their AC (or is a 20 again), then it's a critical
33:26 <Avatar> otherwise it's a regular hit
33:39 <Avatar> if your critical is 19-20/x2, then you can roll either a 19 or 20 on the dice
34:00 <Avatar> x2 could really be called 20/x2
34:11 <Avatar> does that make sense
34:14 <Graky> um
34:15 <Graky> kinda
34:27 <Graky> you roll a 20 to get a crit
34:32 <Graky> then you have to match or beat ac
34:37 <Avatar> yeah
34:46 <Avatar> but with your greatsword, you can roll a 19 or 20 to get a crit
34:50 <Graky> ah
34:51 <Graky> ok
35:11 <Avatar> a couple of weapons allow 18-20/x2 or just x3 or x4
35:36 <Avatar> x2 means you roll 2d6 twice when you do damage on a critical hit
36:11 <Graky> i see
36:43 <Graky> so
36:45 <Graky> a scale mail
36:51 <Graky> is considered a full suit of armor
36:58 <Mekkis> any of them are
36:58 <Graky> there is no gloves/bp/leggings etc
37:18 <Avatar> the AC score is the most important part of armour you want to look at
37:33 <Avatar> it's all just "armour"
37:34 <Mekkis> keep in mind that you will be replacing your weapons/armour after your first one or two scenarios, so your decision here doesn't matter that much
37:46 <Avatar> there's no full sets or whatnot, except between half plate and full plate
38:19 <Graky> do you need to purchase food/bedding etc or do you start out with some
38:30 <Avatar> don't worry about it
38:34 <Avatar> have some rations on you
38:48 <Graky> so
38:53 <Graky> scale mail is 50g also
38:55 <Avatar> there's a chance to buy some gear at the beginning of every scenario
38:56 <Graky> so i have 50 left
39:03 <Graky> I should just hang onto that ?
39:10 <Avatar> get a crossbow or something
39:21 <Mekkis> go down the equipment list and say "I'll take 1 of everything"
39:24 <Avatar> did you keep any of the stuff that was on your sheet
39:31 <Graky> so
39:35 <Graky> i assumed it was all template
39:39 <Graky> no*
39:45 <Avatar> only your first outfit is free
39:49 <Avatar> everything else you pay for
39:53 <Avatar> even your backpack
40:14 <Avatar> normally you have to consider weight, but you're strong enough to ignore that for now
40:14 <Graky> so in armor
40:22 <Graky> max dex is just my dex mod?
40:35 <Graky> ah
40:35 <Graky> nm
40:37 <Graky> i see now
40:48 <Avatar> max dex is the most benefit you get to your AC out of your dex
40:54 <Avatar> while wearing that armor
41:03 <Avatar> so if you have a dex of 20, which gives you a +5 mod
41:11 <Avatar> and you're wearing full plate, which has a +1 max dex bonus
41:16 <Avatar> you can only benefit from +1 of your dex
41:18 <Avatar> to your AC
41:25 <Avatar> the rest is wasted
41:42 <Graky> so
41:43 <Graky> speed
41:47 <Mekkis> 20'
41:48 <Graky> not sure what that is
41:52 <Avatar> your speed as a medium creature is 30ft
41:56 <Mekkis> you're a dwarf. It's always 20'
42:03 <Graky> >.>
42:07 <Graky> which is it
42:15 <Mekkis> 30' :)
42:24 <Graky> lol
42:25 <Mekkis> 20' for being a dwarf, 10' for being a barbarian
42:35 <Avatar> yeah, woops
42:44 <Graky> so
42:46 <Graky> going back to ac
42:53 <Graky> it just add in the scale mail attributes
42:55 <Graky> obviously
42:57 <Graky> and add
43:14 <Avatar> yeah
43:20 <Avatar> and did you notice the armor check penalty
43:26 <Graky> yeah
43:28 <Graky> -4
43:29 <Avatar> a bunch of your skills get stung by that penalty
43:33 <Avatar> like acrobatics and climb
43:44 <Graky> so
43:44 <Avatar> chuck that in your misc section of your skills when you put on that armor
43:52 <Graky> i have to go back to skills
43:54 <Graky> and change them
43:56 <Graky> due to ac
44:05 <Graky> wait
44:06 <Graky> so 
44:08 <Avatar> yeah just any skill that has (AC penalty) next to it
44:09 <Graky> cant i get naked
44:10 <Graky> to climb stuff
44:12 <Graky> lol
44:15 <Avatar> yeah sure you can
44:22 <Avatar> but what about in battle....?
44:25 <Graky> haha
44:26 <Graky> yeah
44:40 <Avatar> hell if it was me, I'd attack you while you were going up a mountain
44:45 <Avatar> leaving your scale mail down the bottom there
44:50 <Graky> rofl
44:53 <Avatar> you'd get your barbarian ass wooped
45:03 <Mekkis> you'd just shoot him
45:13 <Mekkis> with your boomstick
45:14 <Avatar> good times
45:24 <Graky> so
45:24 <Graky> Climb                         str* 3  =  +3     1       +3(class) -4(AC penalty)
45:32 <Avatar> yeah
45:33 <Graky> seems easy enough
45:39 <Graky> once you know what all the numbers are for
45:45 <Avatar> another good time to rethink where you put those 3 or 4 skill points
45:58 <Graky> so
46:03 <Graky> if someone in plate goes in the water
46:05 <Avatar> or to boost your intelligence
46:07 <Graky> do you just wave goodbye at them
46:22 <Avatar> well your ACP affects swim as well
46:27 <Graky> ya
46:32 <Graky> thats what im looking at now
46:33 <Graky> lol
46:34 <Avatar> it's a str based skill, so that helps
46:44 <Avatar> you can probably find a trait that helps you swim better
46:57 <Avatar> when you get to picking traits, very useful tip:
47:07 <Avatar> there's a trait for pretty much every skill to make it into a class skill
47:28 <Graky> oh really
47:42 <Avatar> yeah
47:49 <Avatar> but there's a lot of good traits, so look over them all
48:04 <Avatar> traits are considered to be worth "half a feat"
48:10 <Graky> ill upload what ive got so far
48:40 <Graky> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=514
48:59 <Graky> so
49:02 <Graky> speed is 30ft
49:05 <Graky> with armor also?
49:51 <Avatar> your base speed is affected
49:54 <Graky> sword should be
49:54 <Graky> +3
49:57 <Graky> before you say it
49:58 <Avatar> 20ft drops to 15ft with medium armor
49:58 <Graky> >.>
50:11 <Avatar> +10ft with your fast movement
50:17 <Graky> so
50:21 <Graky> 25?
50:23 <Graky> with armor
50:30 <Avatar> yeah
51:17 <Avatar> you might want a gander at this post: http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz31cv?Character-Creation-What-do-you-wish-you-knew#0
51:46 <Avatar> not sure how much of that will make sense
52:43 <Avatar> you know how before you were saying someone else in the party can have the social skills
52:52 <Avatar> they might have diplomacy but not the intimidate
53:01 <Avatar> and you're the barbarian, so that is probably actually your job
53:04 <Graky> ya
53:07 <Graky> i actually took it
53:09 <Graky> >.>
53:12 <Avatar> :P
53:28 <Avatar> you probably wouldn't have taken it
53:31 <Avatar> !
53:38 <Graky> sif
53:38 <Avatar> that would have been funny
53:43 <Graky> have to be angry dwarf
53:50 <Graky> who plays a happy dwar
53:50 <Graky> f
54:45 <Graky> so for light crossbow
54:56 <Graky> +3 for dex
55:13 <Graky> piercing
55:17 <Graky> ranged
55:32 <Graky> crit is still x2
56:03 <Graky> i use a small one
56:05 <Graky> due to dwarf?
56:15 <Avatar> you're a medium creature
56:30 <Graky> so medium
56:30 <Avatar> who just happens to have short legs for movement, I suppose !
56:35 <Graky> ll
56:36 <Graky> +o
57:30 <Graky> so its 1d6 +2(dex)
57:31 <Graky> ?
57:45 <Avatar> no, ranged weapons don't get a bonus like that
57:49 <Graky> oh
57:57 <Avatar> only on attack
58:00 <Avatar> your TAB
58:15 <Avatar> you don't fire a crossbow harder by being more agile with it
58:30 <Avatar> unlike swinging a sword harder by being stronger with it
58:46 <Graky> so what goes the the TAB row for a ranged weapon
59:08 <Avatar> your ranged attack
59:16 <Avatar> do you get what TAB is
59:22 <Avatar> it's your BAB + melee or ranged
59:36 <Graky> so
59:42 <Avatar> er
59:43 <Avatar> sorry
59:54 <Avatar> your melee is BAB + str = TAB
59:59 <Avatar> your ranged is BAB + dex = TAB
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