// #d&d — 2012-09-25
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00:00:05 <Brunius> Is this going to start a tantrum spiral
00:04:05 <Brunius> GG dwarves
00:04:15 <Brunius> Just fall all the way down the well
00:04:24 <Brunius> That's fine.
00:04:30 <Brunius> I didn't need you for anything like, I dunno, FINISHING THE GODDAMN WELL
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00:55:53 <Graky> most likely yes unless they have changed df since last i played
00:55:56 <Graky> which is possible
00:56:00 <Graky> cause it was like a year ago
01:18:28 <Brunius> http://games.on.net/2012/09/sony-patents-a-system-to-identify-you-by-your-biometric-data-and-sell-you-products/
01:18:43 <Brunius> Remind me not to buy anything from sony
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03:04:17 <Avatar> why not
03:07:23 <Mekkis> because sony hates you
03:07:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, you remind me of Tony Abbott!
03:08:17 <Brunius> But Mekkis, asylum seekers are going to kill us!
03:10:17 <Mekkis> "<Brunius> 16 migrants in one wave"
03:10:34 <Brunius> I was expecting 2, or 7
03:10:40 <Brunius> Like the two waves before that
03:10:42 <Brunius> Not 16
03:16:42 <Mekkis> stop the boats?
03:16:56 <Brunius> Stop the overland trekking?
03:22:05 <Avatar> mekkis
03:22:08 <Avatar> what are you running on wednesday
03:22:20 <Avatar> and why aren't you responding your pm's
03:23:38 <Mekkis> PMs?
03:23:58 <Avatar> private messages
03:23:58 <Brunius> I have to try rubber duck debugging some time
03:24:00 <Mekkis> because I was AFK yesterday
03:24:08 <Mekkis> and today
03:24:11 <Avatar> and the day before
03:24:17 <Mekkis> yeah
03:24:17 <Avatar> what scenario you running
03:24:20 <Avatar> that sounds dirty
03:24:28 <Mekkis> but to answer your first question, no
03:24:30 <Brunius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
03:25:06 <Mekkis> Brunius, ever played Welltris?
03:25:11 <Avatar> people don't read your dialogue boxes
03:25:15 <Avatar> no what
03:25:20 <Brunius> Nope
03:25:27 <Mekkis> <Avatar> [08:05] <Avatar> did you decide what scenario you were going to run
03:25:45 <Avatar> not keen on sending out invites without a scenario
03:26:06 <Mekkis> ok
03:26:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, three things you learn as a software engineer: Users don't read manuals, Users don't read dialog boxes, Users don't read.
03:26:14 <Mekkis> I'll put it on my things to do list
03:26:30 <Avatar> yeap
03:26:37 <Avatar> wise words
03:26:51 <Mekkis> so make your manual really thick and unreadable
03:27:10 <Avatar> to accomplish what
03:27:17 <Mekkis> what's kapow running?
03:27:22 <Mekkis> then use it to blame the user when they do things wrong
03:27:28 <Brunius> Push up production costs
03:27:31 <Brunius> Make more profit
03:27:32 <Avatar> that gives them an excuse to blame you
03:27:48 <Mekkis> they blame you anyway
03:27:51 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5
03:28:08 <Avatar> yeah but now you give them a good excuse to
03:28:22 <Mekkis> really?
03:28:23 <Mekkis> wow
03:28:57 <Brunius> How is "I didn't read the manual you told me to read" a good excuse?
03:29:23 <Avatar> "because you made it thick and unreadable"
03:29:38 <Brunius> If they haven't read it, they won't know that
03:29:53 <Avatar> they only have to glance at it
03:29:57 <kapow> wow?
03:34:02 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
03:34:03 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=18] 18
03:34:40 <Avatar> Ballig: did you test out that highlight thing we recommended to brian on sunday
03:34:50 <Avatar> doesn't work for me either
03:34:52 <Mekkis> <kapow> [08:42:49] mekkis i think i am gonna run murder on the silken caravan
03:34:52 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> [08:43:14] hmmm
03:34:52 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> [08:43:52] not a very good one to start with IMO
03:34:52 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> [08:44:20] I'd avoid starting with season zero, unless you like (trying to) convert from 3.5 to Pathfinder
03:36:29 <Avatar> just do some prep and you'll be fine
03:36:39 <Mekkis> Avatar, what you're missing is that the people who complain aren't the people who use the system
03:39:15 <Avatar> maybe not where you're from
03:43:08 <ramasa> excuse me what is the starting ability points in a PFS game? 8 or 10?
03:43:53 <MekkisScreen> 10
03:44:09 <MekkisScreen> actually, Murder on the Silken caravan can be a tpk
03:44:26 <Ballig> !roll 1d20
03:44:27 <dicebot> Ballig, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8
03:45:08 <Ballig> it works if you make it regex and make it : \[
03:47:05 <Avatar> what is regex
03:47:11 <Avatar> !roll 1d3
03:47:12 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d3: [1d3=2] 2
03:47:30 <Avatar> !roll 1d3
03:47:31 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d3: [1d3=2] 2
03:47:33 <Avatar> there we go
03:49:07 <ramasa> thanks
03:52:57 <kapow> ramasa do you have the guide to organized play?
03:54:33 <ramasa> yes. i have.
04:01:13 <ramasa> !roll 1d6
04:01:14 <dicebot> ramasa, 1d6: [1d6=3] 3
04:03:52 <ramasa> haha
04:04:42 <Ballig> hm?
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04:19:29 <ramasa> !roll 1d20
04:19:31 <dicebot> ramasa, 1d20: [1d20=1] 1
04:19:37 <Ballig> bad luck
04:25:56 <ramasa> haha
04:25:57 <ramasa> !roll 1d20
04:26:01 <dicebot> ramasa, 1d20: [1d20=20] 20
04:26:08 <Ballig> well now you're just cheating
04:31:28 <ramasa> took 6mins to roll the dice
04:31:37 <Ballig> took 3 seconds
04:31:49 <Ballig> it's more lagged than it usually is
04:31:54 <Ballig> noticed that on the weekend
04:31:59 <ramasa> oh
04:32:10 <Ballig> you rolled twice
04:39:52 <ramasa> hmm...
04:41:18 <Mekkis> !roll 1d20+3 will save (+2 vs enchantment)
04:41:20 <dicebot> Mekkis, will save (+2 vs enchantment): [1d20=19] 24
04:41:26 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+3 will save (+2 vs enchantment)
04:41:28 <diebot> Mekkis, will save (+2 vs enchantment): [1d20=10] 13
04:41:52 <Ballig> I'm aware you're again highlighting that dicebot includes +s in the description, but I see no reason to change it
04:41:57 <Brunius> Why does it do +5 the first time and +3 the second one
04:42:10 <Ballig> because dicebot does math on the entire line
04:42:14 <Ballig> not just what it decides is the description
04:48:52 <Brunius> ...Apparently Wozniak wants to move to Australia
04:50:25 <Ballig> he has a net worth of $100m USD
04:50:32 <Ballig> I'm sure if he wants to move to Australia he'll be moving to Australia
04:50:57 <Brunius> Soon to be 104m AUD
04:51:18 <Brunius> Hmm, wrong way I think
04:52:03 <Ballig> yeah wrong way
04:52:17 <Ballig> maybe he won't move because he wants to remain a 100 millionaire
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04:57:24 <Mekkis> wait until after the US election
05:02:53 <kapow> then there is a buying list in there of how much it costs for each stat
05:02:57 <kapow> you get 20 points
05:03:02 <kapow> n base stat of 10 costs 0
05:06:37 <ramasa> how do i show my where do i upload my char sheet for viewing?
05:06:51 <ramasa> how do i show my char sheet for viewing*
05:06:59 <Mekkis> did you upload it?
05:11:14 <ramasa> I saved it in the pfrpg.
05:11:14 <ramasa> still not yet finished though
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07:05:33 <Brunius> Hmm, I wonder if you could dedicate a CPU core to graphics
07:05:49 <Brunius> ...probably a linux thing
07:07:17 <Mekkis> why would you do such a thing?
07:07:29 <Brunius> To skimp on buying a graphics card
07:07:31 <Brunius> For a challenge
07:07:37 <Mekkis> ummmm
07:07:42 <Mekkis> seems stupid
07:07:50 <Mekkis> short answer, no
07:08:27 <Mekkis> long answer, how good are you at surface mount soldering
07:08:38 <Brunius> Ha
07:08:56 <Mekkis> and embedded programming
07:09:05 <Mekkis> and interfacing
07:11:30 <Mekkis> I've emailed you details about Wednesday
07:11:50 <Mekkis> so you should play in one of them, and run it in here
07:11:57 <Mekkis> noone in here has played them
07:13:15 <kapow> I want to find one thats interesting but at the same time i don't want to read through pdf's and possibley ruin material i might end up playing
07:14:41 <Mekkis> define "interesting"?
07:15:57 <kapow> something that would be fun for people to play
07:16:11 <Mekkis> hmm
07:16:13 <kapow> challenging combat with some puzzles
07:16:28 <Mekkis> how much DMing experience do you have?
07:17:39 <kapow> in pfs none but plenty 3.5
07:26:14 <Mekkis> hmmm
07:26:18 <Mekkis> what tier?
07:26:31 <Mekkis> Rebel's Ransom is fun, but it's 5-9
07:27:59 <kapow> 1-5 or 1-7
07:28:07 <kapow> want to ideally host 3-4 or 4-5
07:28:15 <Mekkis> hmmm
07:28:25 <kapow> i need to get henry 3 xp by next weekend :P
07:28:40 <Mekkis> I've heard that Amoung the Living, Amoung the Dead, Amoung the Gods are good, but I haven't played them
07:29:24 <Mekkis> (maybe that's a good thing, but I won't be around for the next two weekends (I will however be available in the daytime on Oct 11, 12 and 13))
07:53:39 <ramasa> can someone help me in learning this thing first time using an IRC- [email protected]
08:00:22 <Graky> sorc vs wiz
08:00:26 <Graky> whats more fun to play
08:00:32 <Hydrazine> sorc for me.
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08:07:54 <kapow> hey ramasa what do ya want to know mate
08:08:02 <kapow> and from when can't you play?
08:08:27 <Mekkis> sure. Tip 1: communicate using chat (IRC), not email
08:08:53 <kapow> guess he didn't like your tip
08:12:16 <Mekkis> Graky, depends on level
08:12:35 <Mekkis> sorcerer gets boring low levels
08:12:46 <Mekkis> or not
08:12:51 <Mekkis> you're playing /nine scenarios/ with nothing by first level spells
08:13:27 <Brunius> Sorc has more flexibility on the day
08:13:36 <Brunius> Wizard has more flexibility for long term
08:13:36 <Mekkis> it does?
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08:13:43 <Mekkis> you haven't seen a wizard played well
08:13:50 <ramasa> help
08:13:57 <Mekkis> what do you need?
08:14:07 <Mekkis> (several free slots, lots of pearls of power, bonded item)
08:14:53 <Brunius> I try to avoid seeing wizards played at all
08:15:59 <Mekkis> actively
08:16:00 <Mekkis> ?
08:16:21 <Brunius> Passively
08:17:01 <Mekkis> by not playing at all?
08:18:58 <Brunius> To an extent
08:19:10 <Brunius> That's not the reason at all
08:19:13 <Brunius> But it helps
08:19:57 <ramasa> how to work this thing? and i want to join a game in PFS
08:20:20 <Mekkis> you type in the window, and we all can read it
08:20:23 <Mekkis> pretty simple
08:21:04 <Graky> avatar around?
08:23:44 <Mekkis> ramasa, how did you find this site?
08:29:57 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Fri 28th 6pm (kapow, tier 1-5) / Wed 3rd 10am (Mekkis, tier 1-5) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
08:29:57 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Sep 24 17:26:50 2012
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08:42:49 <kapow> mekkis i think i am gonna run murder on the silken caravan
08:43:14 <Mekkis> hmmm
08:43:52 <Mekkis> not a very good one to start with IMO
08:44:20 <Mekkis> I'd avoid starting with season zero, unless you like (trying to) convert from 3.5 to Pathfinder
08:49:47 <ramasa> i was looking for a way to play pathfinder online then this site came up.
08:50:10 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/ ?
08:50:25 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm
08:53:57 <ramasa> yes
08:55:54 <Mekkis> Well, that guide is pretty clear. How much Pathfinder experience do you have?
08:56:42 <ramasa> None
08:57:27 <Mekkis> I would suggest you start by downloading an IRC client and using it to connect to IRC. There's generally someone on here who'll show you the ropes
08:57:42 <ramasa> i played a bit of 3.5 DnD.
08:58:10 <ramasa> i already have the hydraIRC
08:58:25 <Mekkis> ah
08:59:01 <Mekkis> we play games generally starting at 10am AEST (0:00 UTC). Generally on weekends
08:59:22 <Mekkis> from time to time, I'll be running an evening game
08:59:32 <Mekkis> (19:00 AEST)
09:00:28 <ramasa> so i just connect here?
09:01:36 <Mekkis> well, you create a character, sign up for games in advance, and connect. We recommend that you hang out on the channel other times too: there's often a fair amount of communication going on
09:05:00 <ramasa> oh,thanks. the games will be posted in the pfrpg site?
09:05:26 <Mekkis> yes. The next Scheduled one is at 10am on Wednesday 3rd
09:05:37 <Mekkis> but it's quite likely that one will be run next weekend
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09:13:20 <ramasa> ok. thanks again.
09:20:33 <Mekkis> I'll be sleeping soon. You're in UAE, right?
09:22:16 <ramasa> yeah. wondering how to play so early in the morning
09:45:40 <Mekkis> ;
10:04:18 <Brunius> GG dwarves
10:04:27 <Brunius> Just fall all the way down the well
10:04:36 <Brunius> That's fine.
10:04:42 <Brunius> I didn't need you for anything like, I dunno, FINISHING THE GODDAMN WELL
10:23:08 <Graky> hmm yeah 9 games with bad spells sounds kinda lame
10:30:03 <MekkisScreen> yeah
10:32:21 <Brunius> Isn't magic missile a level 1 spell?
10:46:53 <MekkisScreen> yes
10:47:04 <MekkisScreen> the problem is that a) it gets boring
10:47:22 <MekkisScreen> and b) the wizard sitting next to you is Always ahead of you
10:48:04 <MekkisScreen> I'm going to retrain Berknet
10:48:17 <MekkisScreen> his first level should have been fighter
11:20:00 <Hydrazine> I shoulda been your daddy.
11:21:16 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean?
11:21:42 <Hydrazine> You know how sometimes random phrases from odd sources just stick in your head?
11:21:59 <MekkisScreen> then I'd have been american
11:22:06 <Hydrazine> "Should've been your daddy" was the title of a level in the original Halo.
11:22:22 <MekkisScreen> that crappy game
11:22:36 <Brunius> Which level
11:23:04 <MekkisScreen> level 1
11:23:12 <Hydrazine> You can talk all the smack you want about what happened to the franchise later, but the original Halo brought along a revolution to the FPS genre.
11:23:33 <MekkisScreen> what sort of revolution
11:24:04 <Hydrazine> Management and selection of weaponry. Before Halo, you could carry every frigging gun you ever saw, so you did.
11:24:16 <MekkisScreen> the "wow, people will actually put up with using a shitty controller rather than much more suitable keyboard and mouse"
11:24:37 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: incorrect. SoF1 had that years before
11:25:04 <Hydrazine> Halo made you CHOOSE which weapons you wanted to lug around, and you had to consider the pros and cons of them.
11:25:14 <MekkisScreen> like SoF1?
11:25:24 <MekkisScreen> or Rainbow 6
11:25:31 <Hydrazine> Shields/regenerating health. This lets players be more bold and agressive, instead of trying not to get nickel and dimed down before you find the next healthpack.
11:26:23 <Hydrazine> Rainbow 6, while cool, was not at all in the same genre. You could play the game without ever taking first person control and killing anyone yourself.
11:26:40 <MekkisScreen> I'm not convinced that that was a good thing, but I'm sure there's precedent for that too
11:27:33 <Hydrazine> And lastly, grenades. Do you rememebr what grenades in video games were like back then?
11:27:58 <MekkisScreen> ummm.. how are they different in halo?
11:27:59 <Hydrazine> You had to cycle through your weapons to select the grenades. Wait for all that animation to process. then you could think about throwing it. If you're still alive.
11:28:20 <MekkisScreen> ummm.. TFC had one-button grenading
11:28:31 <Hydrazine> You could throw grenades without changing weapons and waiting for bullshit.
11:29:03 <MekkisScreen> so did Metal Slug, and that's like a decade older
11:29:16 <MekkisScreen> but TFC is an FPS
11:30:16 <Hydrazine> SO what else did all three at once?
11:31:21 <Hydrazine> My point, is that you can draw a clear line from FPS games before Halo, and FPS games after Halo, and those three points are almost universal. It changed the genre.
11:31:30 <MekkisScreen> arguably, Freespace (1995) sis
11:31:32 <MekkisScreen> did
11:32:04 <MekkisScreen> TFC did 2/3
11:32:15 <MekkisScreen> (1998)
11:32:54 <Graky> what
11:33:00 <Graky> halo didnt event any of those
11:33:10 <Graky> it just made the genere popular and destroyed fpses
11:33:16 <Graky> half life>halo
11:33:24 <Graky> invent
11:33:24 <Graky> even
11:34:06 <MekkisScreen> I thought Counter Strike did more towards popularising the genre
11:34:17 <Graky> now you have 500 fps games with hide and regen to 100% hp mechanics with brown and bloom graphics that release a new title every 6 months that is no diffrent to the previous 3 games in the series
11:34:24 <MekkisScreen> Halo is where they started poisoning the genre
11:34:38 <Graky> go dl black mesa
11:34:42 <Graky> half life 1 remake
11:34:52 <Graky> and tell me its not better than every halo game
11:35:21 <MekkisScreen> halflife 1 is - although a good (not great) game - isn't something I'd want to replay
11:35:59 <Hydrazine> Why not?
11:36:36 <MekkisScreen> I found the story emminently shallow
11:45:33 <kapow> if you like half life you should watch
11:45:36 <kapow> freemans mind
11:45:40 <kapow> it's fantastic :P
11:46:00 <kapow> it's like voice over commentary by a guy who has like the same voice as raymond from everybody loves raymond
11:46:05 <kapow> it's awesome!
11:48:22 <Brunius> I didn't like freeman's mind
11:57:34 <kapow> i think it's so good
12:27:10 <Wrothmonk> Can anyone tell me what version of dancing lights sorcerers use? I'm not quite clear on how many light sources get generated or what they look like.
12:36:23 <Hydrazine> Which ever one you want.
12:36:32 <Wrothmonk> oh you can pick and choose? Cool.
12:37:02 <Hydrazine> Theres no distinction on the spell operating differently for the different classes that have it. There are 5.
12:37:31 <Hydrazine> So you get three styles. Lanterns/torches, glowing balls, and humanoid.
12:37:39 <Hydrazine> With the first two, up to 4, your choice.
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15:59:49 <spider21b> hi?
16:11:04 <Hydrazine> hi
16:14:58 <spider21b> you guys playing a game?
16:15:40 <Hydrazine> you would know it if we were
16:16:26 <Hydrazine> we played yesterday
16:16:27 <spider21b> okies
17:09:52 <Avatar> anyone not get a chronicle from yesterday?
17:16:07 <Wrothmonk> I got mine.
17:18:22 <Avatar> a likely story
17:23:02 <Avatar> hmmm my witch has 28 intelligence
17:23:11 <Avatar> I thought she had 26
17:23:46 <Brunius> I have to try rubber duck debugging some time
17:24:07 <Avatar> that sounds dirty
17:24:18 <Brunius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
17:24:31 <Ballig> how do you get 28 intelligence
17:24:32 <Ballig> what level
17:24:38 <Avatar> level 8
17:24:42 <Avatar> started with 18 in the point buy
17:24:45 <Avatar> +2 half/elf
17:24:50 <Ballig> so say you started with 20, 21 at 4 and 22 at 8
17:24:53 <Avatar> +1 at 4th and +1 at 8th
17:24:53 <Ballig> where's the other 6 from
17:24:54 <Mekkis> Brunius, ever played Welltris?
17:24:59 <Avatar> people don't read your dialogue boxes
17:25:08 <Brunius> Nope
17:25:15 <Avatar> +4 from the headband
17:25:48 <Avatar> completely underdone her skills
17:25:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, three things you learn as a software engineer: Users don't read manuals, Users don't read dialog boxes, Users don't read.
17:26:00 <Avatar> only chose 2 skills for the headband points, forgot the other two for who knows how long
17:26:05 <Ballig> where's the other 2 from
17:26:17 <Avatar> yeap
17:26:24 <Avatar> wise words
17:26:39 <Avatar> oops, 26
17:26:39 <Mekkis> so make your manual really thick and unreadable
17:26:58 <Avatar> to accomplish what
17:27:07 <Avatar> somehow I was counting point buy+half elf = 20, then add on bonuses
17:27:09 <Mekkis> then use it to blame the user when they do things wrong
17:27:14 <Avatar> which is +2 halfelf +1 4th +1 8th
17:27:16 <Brunius> Push up production costs
17:27:18 <Brunius> Make more profit
17:27:19 <Avatar> lollll
17:27:20 <Avatar> that gives them an excuse to blame you
17:27:36 <Mekkis> they blame you anyway
17:27:56 <Avatar> yeah but now you give them a good excuse to
17:28:44 <Brunius> How is "I didn't read the manual you told me to read" a good excuse?
17:29:11 <Avatar> "because you made it thick and unreadable"
17:29:26 <Brunius> If they haven't read it, they won't know that
17:29:41 <Avatar> they only have to glance at it
17:30:36 <Ballig> Avatar: do you know how skills and the headband work
17:30:48 <Avatar> yeah, you max out a skill regardless of ranks
17:31:06 <Ballig> but you only choose one skill per +2 bonus
17:31:16 <Avatar> oh is it
17:31:19 <Ballig> yeah
17:31:21 <Avatar> that makes sense
17:31:45 <Avatar> maybe I should actually trust what I had down instead of trying to level up a sheet on 4 hours sleep
17:31:53 <Ballig> ha
17:33:50 <Avatar> !roll 1d20
17:33:51 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=18] 18
17:34:28 <Avatar> Ballig: did you test out that highlight thing we recommended to brian on sunday
17:34:38 <Avatar> doesn't work for me either
17:36:26 <Mekkis> Avatar, what you're missing is that the people who complain aren't the people who use the system
18:08:56 <spider21b> bzck
18:08:58 <spider21b> back
18:09:09 <spider21b> sorry i missed the game yesterday it wasnt on the fourms
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18:39:43 <ramasa> hmm...
18:41:03 <Mekkis> !roll 1d20+3 will save (+2 vs enchantment)
18:41:08 <dicebot> Mekkis, will save (+2 vs enchantment): [1d20=19] 24
18:41:14 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+3 will save (+2 vs enchantment)
18:41:16 <diebot> Mekkis, will save (+2 vs enchantment): [1d20=10] 13
18:41:40 <Ballig> I'm aware you're again highlighting that dicebot includes +s in the description, but I see no reason to change it
18:42:06 <Brunius> Why does it do +5 the first time and +3 the second one
18:42:06 <Ballig> because dicebot does math on the entire line
18:42:06 <Ballig> not just what it decides is the description
18:48:56 <Brunius> ...Apparently Wozniak wants to move to Australia
18:50:13 <Ballig> he has a net worth of $100m USD
18:50:24 <Ballig> I'm sure if he wants to move to Australia he'll be moving to Australia
18:50:56 <Brunius> Soon to be 104m AUD
18:51:24 <Brunius> Hmm, wrong way I think
18:51:56 <Ballig> yeah wrong way
18:52:05 <Ballig> maybe he won't move because he wants to remain a 100 millionaire
18:57:08 <Mekkis> wait until after the US election
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19:45:53 <Mekkis> ;
20:23:20 <Graky> hmm yeah 9 games with bad spells sounds kinda lame
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20:30:15 <MekkisScreen> yeah
20:32:33 <Brunius> Isn't magic missile a level 1 spell?
20:47:05 <MekkisScreen> yes
20:47:16 <MekkisScreen> the problem is that a) it gets boring
20:47:34 <MekkisScreen> and b) the wizard sitting next to you is Always ahead of you
20:48:16 <MekkisScreen> I'm going to retrain Berknet
20:48:29 <MekkisScreen> his first level should have been fighter
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21:20:12 <Hydrazine> I shoulda been your daddy.
21:21:28 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean?
21:21:54 <Hydrazine> You know how sometimes random phrases from odd sources just stick in your head?
21:22:11 <MekkisScreen> then I'd have been american
21:22:18 <Hydrazine> "Should've been your daddy" was the title of a level in the original Halo.
21:22:34 <MekkisScreen> that crappy game
21:22:48 <Brunius> Which level
21:23:16 <MekkisScreen> level 1
21:23:24 <Hydrazine> You can talk all the smack you want about what happened to the franchise later, but the original Halo brought along a revolution to the FPS genre.
21:23:45 <MekkisScreen> what sort of revolution
21:24:16 <Hydrazine> Management and selection of weaponry. Before Halo, you could carry every frigging gun you ever saw, so you did.
21:24:28 <MekkisScreen> the "wow, people will actually put up with using a shitty controller rather than much more suitable keyboard and mouse"
21:24:49 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: incorrect. SoF1 had that years before
21:25:16 <Hydrazine> Halo made you CHOOSE which weapons you wanted to lug around, and you had to consider the pros and cons of them.
21:25:26 <MekkisScreen> like SoF1?
21:25:36 <MekkisScreen> or Rainbow 6
21:25:43 <Hydrazine> Shields/regenerating health. This lets players be more bold and agressive, instead of trying not to get nickel and dimed down before you find the next healthpack.
21:26:35 <Hydrazine> Rainbow 6, while cool, was not at all in the same genre. You could play the game without ever taking first person control and killing anyone yourself.
21:26:52 <MekkisScreen> I'm not convinced that that was a good thing, but I'm sure there's precedent for that too
21:27:45 <Hydrazine> And lastly, grenades. Do you rememebr what grenades in video games were like back then?
21:28:10 <MekkisScreen> ummm.. how are they different in halo?
21:28:12 <Hydrazine> You had to cycle through your weapons to select the grenades. Wait for all that animation to process. then you could think about throwing it. If you're still alive.
21:28:32 <MekkisScreen> ummm.. TFC had one-button grenading
21:28:43 <Hydrazine> You could throw grenades without changing weapons and waiting for bullshit.
21:29:15 <MekkisScreen> so did Metal Slug, and that's like a decade older
21:29:28 <MekkisScreen> but TFC is an FPS
21:30:28 <Hydrazine> SO what else did all three at once?
21:31:33 <Hydrazine> My point, is that you can draw a clear line from FPS games before Halo, and FPS games after Halo, and those three points are almost universal. It changed the genre.
21:31:42 <MekkisScreen> arguably, Freespace (1995) sis
21:31:44 <MekkisScreen> did
21:32:16 <MekkisScreen> TFC did 2/3
21:32:27 <MekkisScreen> (1998)
21:33:06 <Graky> what
21:33:12 <Graky> halo didnt event any of those
21:33:22 <Graky> it just made the genere popular and destroyed fpses
21:33:28 <Graky> half life>halo
21:33:36 <Graky> invent
21:33:36 <Graky> even
21:34:18 <MekkisScreen> I thought Counter Strike did more towards popularising the genre
21:34:29 <Graky> now you have 500 fps games with hide and regen to 100% hp mechanics with brown and bloom graphics that release a new title every 6 months that is no diffrent to the previous 3 games in the series
21:34:37 <MekkisScreen> Halo is where they started poisoning the genre
21:34:50 <Graky> go dl black mesa
21:34:54 <Graky> half life 1 remake
21:35:04 <Graky> and tell me its not better than every halo game
21:35:33 <MekkisScreen> halflife 1 is - although a good (not great) game - isn't something I'd want to replay
21:36:11 <Hydrazine> Why not?
21:36:48 <MekkisScreen> I found the story emminently shallow
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21:45:45 <kapow> if you like half life you should watch
21:45:48 <kapow> freemans mind
21:45:52 <kapow> it's fantastic :P
21:46:13 <kapow> it's like voice over commentary by a guy who has like the same voice as raymond from everybody loves raymond
21:46:17 <kapow> it's awesome!
21:48:34 <Brunius> I didn't like freeman's mind
21:52:22 <Hydrazine> Today is a quiet day.
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21:57:46 <kapow> i think it's so good
22:03:30 <MekkisScreen> yes
22:04:22 <Hydrazine> Yesterday's game was good times.
22:06:15 <MekkisScreen> is part two scheduled?
22:14:13 <Mekkis> hmmm
22:14:18 <Mekkis> who should I play tomorrow
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23:03:49 <Brunius> 16 migrants in one wave
23:03:51 <Brunius> goddamn
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23:59:57 <Brunius> Urist Mcminer is throwing a tantrum!
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