// #d&d — 2011-10-29
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00:01:14 <Mekkis> the probability of rolling an n on a dm when rolling l times, taking higher, is (l*n - 1) / (m^l)
00:02:03 <Mekkis> assuming 1 <= n <= m, of course
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07:25:33 <Ballig> k9
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07:27:08 <Ballig> Eidren is a jerk
07:27:14 <Eidren> yes he is.
07:27:19 <Eidren> ballig must die!
07:27:31 <Eidren> when is the next game?
07:27:33 <Eidren> later yes?
07:27:39 <Ballig> this morning perhaps
07:27:44 <Ballig> in 1 1/2 hours if we have the people
07:27:49 <Eidren> continuation?
07:27:50 <Eidren> right?
07:27:58 <Ballig> no Avatar will be running something
07:28:09 <Eidren> sigh need to do my laundry, well the laundry shop will be doing it just need to get it there
07:28:15 <Eidren> what?
07:28:19 <Eidren> what will avatar run?
07:28:20 <Ballig> don't you have a laundry
07:28:38 <Eidren> ok since avatar is DM
07:28:43 <Eidren> no more 30 min plans yes?
07:28:51 <Ballig> why would a plan take 30 minutes
07:29:06 <Eidren> oh i don't know.
07:30:06 <Eidren> why wouldn't i have laundry?
07:30:46 <Ballig> a laundry
07:30:47 <Ballig> not laundry
07:30:54 <Eidren> A? laundry
07:31:26 <Ballig> as in, a room with a washing machine
07:31:30 <Ballig> a laundry
07:31:42 <Eidren> why on earth would i do my own laundry?
07:31:45 <Eidren> we have servants for that.
07:31:52 <Eidren> either that or the laundry shop
07:31:56 <Ballig> because it takes 3 seconds
07:32:03 <Ballig> and doesn't require you leaving your house to go to a shop
07:32:13 <Ballig> that sounds pretty damned inconvenient
07:32:29 <Eidren> i don't need to wash my clothes and hang em etc
07:32:44 <Eidren> only women do laundry here.
07:32:58 <Ballig> going to a store is far more work than putting them in the washing machine
07:33:04 <Eidren> fie... you and your womanish behaviour!
07:33:04 <Ballig> I refuse to live in a place that doesn't have its own laundry
07:33:14 <Eidren> we do.
07:33:17 <Eidren> but we never use it lol
07:33:38 <Eidren> oh btw
07:33:40 <Eidren> the laundry place here
07:33:45 <Eidren> we don't do the laundry there
07:33:54 <Eidren> someon else does it and we just pick it up after a day or so.
07:34:12 <Ballig> the act of taking your laundry there to begin with is more effort than putting them in the machine and turning it on
07:34:17 <Ballig> I can do my laundry in literally 30 seconds
07:34:21 <Eidren> LOL
07:34:26 <Eidren> do you do your laundry every day?
07:34:29 <Ballig> yes
07:34:37 <Eidren> i don't
07:35:02 <Eidren> i let em pile up then when im at 30% of my wardrobe/clothes etc w/e
07:35:07 <Eidren> i bring it there
07:35:11 <Ballig> sounds pretty disgusting
07:35:16 <Eidren> it's like once every 2 weeks.
07:35:27 <Eidren> people here take a bath atleast 2-3 times a day.
07:35:37 <Ballig> only 2-3 times a day? wtf?
07:35:40 <Eidren> we do not stink like the pits
07:35:53 <Eidren> of hell where some other races crawled out of lol
07:35:55 <Ballig> so you stink and your bedroom stinks of dirty laundry
07:35:56 <Ballig> yuck!
07:36:02 <Eidren> LOL
07:36:14 <Eidren> definitely not.
07:36:24 <Ballig> yuckkkk
07:36:30 <Eidren> mostly foreigners stink
07:36:37 <Eidren> bathing habits, what they eat
07:36:40 <Eidren> sweat etc
07:36:48 <Eidren> disgusting really lol
07:37:30 <Eidren> ah well
07:37:34 <Eidren> you are an orc afterall.
07:38:09 <Eidren> if orcs bathed regularly i don't think they'd be green.
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08:38:39 <Avatar> where did eidren go
08:38:56 <Ballig> to take his laundry to his servants
08:39:01 <Ballig> (the servants that work at the laundromat LOL)
08:40:27 <Avatar> cool
08:40:38 <Avatar> later I will go get my groceries from my servants at the supermarket
08:40:39 <Ballig> it's funny, he's trying to convince me that he's considered rich in the philippines
08:40:48 <Ballig> even though he had to get other people to buy his warcraft subscription
08:42:04 <Avatar> did he intend on being back in 20 minutes
08:42:09 <Ballig> dunno
09:00:10 <Ballig> it's 10am
09:00:51 <Avatar> do we have 3
09:01:35 <Ballig> you have me
09:01:41 <Ballig> australia has too many cities
09:01:54 <Avatar> dumb cities
09:02:31 <Avatar> what happened to mort
09:02:38 <Ballig> why would I know that
09:02:38 <Avatar> sundays
09:02:41 <Ballig> send her an email
09:02:42 <Avatar> you might know
09:02:49 <Avatar> in fact I think you do know
09:02:56 <Ballig> you're right, I do kn ow
09:07:32 <Ballig> http://i.imgur.com/di9RB.jpg
09:10:01 <Avatar> nice
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09:16:21 <Avatar> dunno what's going on here
09:16:25 <Avatar> it's like nobody wants experience points
09:18:51 <Ballig> I do
09:23:57 <Ballig> I want experience
09:24:13 <Avatar> need more than just you
09:24:19 <Avatar> I mean you can try it yourself if you like
09:24:26 <Avatar> but I would expect it to go only slightly better than last night
09:28:16 <Ballig> last night was pretty bad
09:30:07 <Avatar> 3d6 damage on a level 1 fighter
09:30:14 <Avatar> potentially 4d6
09:30:19 <Ballig> 3d6? from where?
09:30:23 <Avatar> each of those skels
09:30:35 <Ballig> oh, you mean on you?
09:30:39 <Avatar> yeah
09:30:42 <Ballig> yeah
09:30:48 <Avatar> not each*
09:30:55 <Ballig> would have been easier if I'd been in reach the first round
09:30:58 <Ballig> they didn't have much hp
09:31:02 <Ballig> but that priest was fucking nuts
09:31:07 <Ballig> +7 attack, +7 will save
09:31:21 <Avatar> obviously we chose the wrong crowd to hang with
09:31:32 <Avatar> you should've went for the skels, I should've went for the priest
09:31:36 <Ballig> yeah
09:31:40 <Ballig> can't do that when you run in though :p
09:31:56 <Avatar> well I didn't know there was going to be a cleric on the left and 4 skels on the right
09:32:03 <Ballig> that's why you don't run in
09:32:05 <Ballig> you just don't know
09:32:07 <Avatar> with a 20 initiative
09:32:09 <Ballig> but you have to assume the place is full of undead
09:32:22 <Avatar> my wis/cha was dug into the ground
09:32:45 <Avatar> what can I say, I'm a fighter
09:33:04 <Ballig> you were average intelligence though
09:33:24 <Avatar> yeah so I went on my way to get the candle, that was our mission
09:33:49 <Ballig> average intelligence suggests you know there are undead there because the venture captain told you :p
09:33:55 <Ballig> and the necromancer told you the candle animated bodies
09:34:37 <Avatar> oh yeah he knew there were undead there
09:34:41 <Avatar> even said so
09:36:56 <Mekkis> Ballig, it was +3 will
09:37:02 <Mekkis> with a +4 channel resistance
09:37:11 <Ballig> good enough
09:37:54 <Mekkis> anyway, you failed your perception checks
09:41:15 <Ballig> yeah
09:41:19 <Ballig> it would have been possible
09:41:26 <Ballig> just really freaking hard
09:51:09 <Avatar> if we get players later in the day we can play later
13:58:40 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 10am (Mekkis) | LSK: Sat 7.30pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
13:58:40 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Oct 29 13:11:31 2011
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15:11:18 <Avatar> `op
15:33:09 <Mekkis> moin
15:36:57 <Mekkis> any chance of LSK tonight?
15:44:11 <Avatar> yeah, if kapow shows up
15:53:20 <Ballig> call him
17:23:12 <Tashes_> rawr!
18:12:01 <Ballig> raw!
18:33:48 <Mekkis> mage
19:27:01 <Mekkis> stupid shadow and kapow
20:05:31 <Ballig> whatevuh, I do what I want
20:07:39 <Avatar> i cn do wateva i want
20:08:19 <Avatar> feels like we are in a day long netsplit today, where is everyone
20:08:42 <Avatar> I deactivated about 8 people on the site today
20:08:51 <Ballig> did you email any of them
20:09:13 <Avatar> 4
20:09:22 <Avatar> no replies
20:13:55 <Avatar> maybe we need an mailing list
20:14:08 <Avatar> a*
20:15:11 <Ballig> we used to have one
20:18:11 <Avatar> that is a lie
20:25:10 <Ballig> it was back when jerub et al used to be in here
20:27:37 <Avatar> the email thing was only recently added
20:28:18 <Ballig> it wasn't related to the website
20:28:25 <Ballig> don't know that we even had a website back then
20:31:01 <Avatar> well it looks like we did, they're on there
20:31:14 <Ballig> I'm talking about back when we had the email list
20:31:17 <Ballig> not back when jerub et al were here
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20:43:57 <Brunius> Hey hey hey
20:44:01 <Brunius> What's up?
20:45:17 <Brunius> I haven't got much time on here, but pretty much, I can't play until further notice, no computer.
20:45:21 <Brunius> CPU decided to melt
20:45:23 <Brunius> T.T
20:48:24 <Avatar> the new one?
20:48:36 <Brunius> New one didn't fit the board
20:48:44 <Brunius> Mekkis can go all I told you so on my ass if he wants
20:48:53 <Brunius> The old one melted when I put it back in
20:48:54 <Avatar> are you getting a new one
20:48:58 <Brunius> Yeah
20:49:01 <Avatar> eta
20:49:04 <Brunius> New one, that's the same as the old one
20:49:13 <Brunius> According to the seller, two weeks.
20:49:18 <Avatar> are you good for us to take on your char tomorrow
20:49:22 <Brunius> Yep
20:49:26 <Avatar> tactics?
20:49:28 <Brunius> Fully updated on the site
20:50:14 <Brunius> Avoid close combat, stick with Buck and heal if necessary, if Eidren's char goes all kamikaze just abandon him if he can't be reached in one move action.
20:50:35 <Brunius> Attack with silvered morningstar if CC occurs
20:50:44 <Brunius> Try to avoid it and shoot with light crossbow if possible
20:51:34 <Ballig> under what circumstances would you want to shoot Eidren in the face
20:51:58 <Brunius> What?
20:52:30 <Ballig> do you want to shoot Eidren in the face
20:53:44 <Brunius> No
20:55:19 <Ballig> what if he's trying to cast magic missile at you
20:55:52 <Brunius> If he tries to cast magic missile, I expect Mekkis to remind him that that results in him being kicked out of the society...
20:56:09 <Ballig> what if he's fine with that
20:56:20 <Brunius> Then he's a dick.
20:56:33 <Ballig> what's the definition of pvp anyway?
20:56:58 <Brunius> I think it says party disagreements are part of RP
20:57:06 <Brunius> But the line is drawn at combat
20:57:14 <Brunius> gotta go
20:57:16 <Brunius> cya guys
20:57:19 <Ballig> tata
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20:57:36 <Ballig> so is grappling considered combat?
21:07:53 <Avatar> it's a 'combat' manuveour
21:08:44 <Ballig> so you can't physically prevent your teammate from doing something stupid or suicidal or else get kicked out of the society?
21:08:58 <Ballig> your choices can be either certain TPK or out of the society?
21:09:01 <Avatar> free will I suppose
21:09:10 <Ballig> what if their free will will get you killed
21:09:12 <Ballig> and everyone else
21:09:16 <Avatar> just don't go with him
21:09:36 <Ballig> you don't necessarily kn ow he's going to be stupid and suicidal until you're right there in that position
21:09:46 <Ballig> what about casting charm person?
21:09:53 <Ballig> I cast charm person on a party member in Jerub's RL campaign
21:10:02 <Avatar> where pvp was allowed
21:10:07 <Ballig> but is that pvp?
21:10:13 <Ballig> we were having a disagreement about how to handle a prisoner
21:10:21 <Ballig> I wanted to kill her, he absolutely refused to allow it to happen
21:10:22 <Avatar> what are some spells where 'attacking' nullifies the spell
21:10:27 <Ballig> I cast charm person on him and convinced him to kill the prisoner
21:10:32 <Avatar> invisibility
21:10:40 <Avatar> if you're invisible, and you grapple someone, do you become visible
21:10:59 <Avatar> or if you charm them
21:11:41 <Ballig> attacking doesn't remove invisibility
21:12:07 <Ballig> actually in pathfinder it might
21:12:10 <Ballig> I think in 3.5 you could do AOE
21:12:41 <Ballig> it's "any spell targeting a foe" and the definition of foe is the caster's perception
21:16:56 <Avatar> what
21:17:04 <Avatar> is that true
21:17:15 <Avatar> you can cast fireball while invisible and not become visible?
21:17:27 <Ballig> no
21:18:14 <Ballig> you can cause harm indirectly
21:22:07 <Avatar> how
21:22:15 <Avatar> you just said AOE, fireball's AOE
21:22:57 <Ballig> you can't
21:23:14 <Ballig> I corrected it to say "any spell targeting a foe"
21:31:26 <Mekkis> I feel like taking pity on Brunius
21:34:14 <Ballig> doesn't Avatar have a spare computer
21:35:00 <Mekkis> I should sell Brunius a computer for $Postage
21:35:29 <Ballig> I'm pretty sure Avatar has one
21:35:34 <Ballig> that he could just drive over to Brunius' place
21:39:49 <Mekkis> Ballig, how many old computers do you have?
21:40:18 <Ballig> none
21:40:40 <Mekkis> wow
21:40:43 <Mekkis> you're diligent
21:40:56 <Mekkis> what do you do with your computers when you finish using them?
21:41:03 <Ballig> throw the out
21:41:11 <Mekkis> ah
21:41:19 <Ballig> +m
21:45:33 <Avatar> no, I'm using it
21:45:58 <Avatar> I have some really really old ones
21:46:08 <Mekkis> how old is that?
21:46:19 <Avatar> 2002 maybe
21:46:23 <Avatar> is the newest one
21:46:25 <Mekkis> P4?
21:46:28 <Avatar> hell no
21:46:32 <Avatar> the one I am using now is a p4
21:46:33 <Mekkis> Athlon XP?
21:46:38 <Avatar> probably
21:46:46 <Avatar> actually I think it's an athlon 1.4
21:46:48 <Avatar> not even XP
21:46:52 <Ballig> why are you using two computers
21:46:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, you're using a P4 now?!
21:46:56 <Avatar> I'm not
21:47:06 <Avatar> yeah I think so
21:47:12 <Mekkis> wow
21:47:13 <Avatar> I may have my dates mixed up
21:47:25 <Mekkis> and you were thinking about selling it to Brunius for $500?
21:47:28 <Avatar> hang on sorry
21:47:33 <Avatar> the newest one is a p4
21:47:37 <Avatar> the one before that is an athlon
21:47:49 <Avatar> which means the machine I'm on is probably newer than 2005
21:48:32 <Mekkis> %try Mekkis
21:48:44 <Ballig> didn't you just buy a new computer
21:49:53 <Avatar> maybe 4 odd years ago
21:50:01 <Avatar> oh uh
21:50:06 <Avatar> yeah and a week ago
21:50:15 <Mekkis> that's like my current desktop: about 4 years old
21:50:18 <Avatar> I'm not available next weekend either, by the way
21:50:25 <Mekkis> either?
21:50:32 <Avatar> well next weekend
21:50:34 <Ballig> so you bought a new computer a week ago
21:50:36 <Ballig> give your old one to Brunius
21:50:52 <Avatar> I'm not available next weekend because someone's coming down to put it together
21:51:02 <Ballig> why can't you put it together
21:51:16 <Avatar> I had a look inside the case to try and work it out
21:51:18 <Avatar> I didn't get far
21:51:28 <Ballig> really
21:51:35 <Mekkis> wow
21:52:07 <Ballig> shouldn't you at least pay $50 to a computer store and get them to put it together?
21:52:14 <Ballig> it'll take less of your time and they'll be responsible if it doesn't work
21:52:59 <Avatar> yeah it's like $200
21:53:08 <Mekkis> from whom?
21:53:13 <Ballig> what stores are you getting it done in
21:53:15 <Mekkis> umart does it cheaper than that
21:53:15 <Ballig> it costs $50
21:53:16 <Avatar> scorptec
21:53:30 <Avatar> dunno man I couldn't find one that costs $50
21:53:42 <Mekkis> AusPCMarket does it for free
21:53:58 <Ballig> probably only if you buy the parts from them
21:54:03 <Mekkis> obviously
21:54:05 <Avatar> auspcmarket in sydney?
21:54:08 <Ballig> clearly Avatar didn't consider this ahead of time
21:54:11 <Mekkis> yeah
21:54:17 <Mekkis> they ship for free too
21:54:28 <Mekkis> (their prices are higher than umart, for instance)
21:54:30 <Avatar> don't know how I feel about getting a machine shipped here
21:55:05 <Ballig> better than getting someone to come down and put it together for you
21:55:49 <Avatar> I think differently
21:56:08 <Ballig> where are they coming from?
21:56:20 <Avatar> brisbane
21:56:23 <Ballig> dude :p
21:56:31 <Ballig> instead of just buying the parts from a store in melbourne that would put them together for $50
21:56:36 <Ballig> you're getting someone from brisbane to come down and do it for you
21:56:42 <Avatar> I couldn't find a place that did it for $50 man
21:56:47 <Ballig> they do if you buy the parts from them
21:56:56 <Avatar> scorptec didn't
21:57:01 <Ballig> not if you buy the parts, take a look and think "I can't do this" and then call and say "hey will you put my parts together"
21:57:19 <Avatar> what
21:57:26 <Avatar> no I initially asked them to do it
21:57:27 <Ballig> you clearly didn't do much research
21:57:34 <Mekkis> as I said, umart does it for about $50
21:57:44 <Avatar> umart clearly isn't an option
21:57:46 <Ballig> eyo does it for $50
21:57:48 <Mekkis> why not?
21:57:54 <Avatar> there's no umart in melb
21:58:00 <Mekkis> want to bet on that?
21:58:05 <Avatar> is there??
21:58:13 <Ballig> waverley
21:58:22 <Avatar> how long has that been there
21:58:29 <Mekkis> over a year
21:58:36 <Avatar> christ
21:58:40 <Ballig> love all the research you do man :p
21:58:48 <Ballig> "no place does it for $50! at least, the one place I asked didn't!"
21:58:50 <Avatar> I wouldn't normally research a place that I didn't think exists
21:59:00 <Mekkis> you didn't ask us either...
21:59:13 <Avatar> the only person I would expect to know would be brunius
21:59:23 <Mekkis> not me?
21:59:30 <Avatar> you don't live in melbourne
21:59:37 <Mekkis> and...?
21:59:48 <Ballig> just the fact that a place in sydney or brisbane does it for $50 means that there is no way a place in melbourne wouldn't
22:00:10 <Avatar> well I couldn't find one
22:00:16 <Ballig> you checked one store
22:00:23 <Avatar> I didn't check one store
22:00:31 <Ballig> name 5 other stores you checked
22:00:39 <Avatar> I will name 0 other stores I checked
22:00:45 <Ballig> because you didn't check any other stores
22:00:49 <Avatar> because you asked for 5
22:00:54 <Ballig> because you can't tell me any
22:00:57 <Ballig> because you didn't check
22:01:01 <Avatar> wateva
22:01:07 <Ballig> I do what I want
22:28:14 <Mekkis> "Allow a man to learn how to fish, and you can no longer sell him a fish a day."
22:29:29 <Mekkis> so Avatar, what's your new PC?
22:37:47 <Mekkis> why is B&N telling me that I have great deals on Twilight Saga?
22:42:51 <Avatar> i7 2600, 8gb ram, radeon 6850
22:59:27 <Mekkis> and your old PC?
23:05:28 <Avatar> core2 duo 2.33ghz, 4gb ram, radeon 4850
23:05:43 <Mekkis> fair enough
23:05:51 <Mekkis> any reason you didn't go withb the i7 960?
23:06:25 <Ballig> 2600 is a bigger number than 960
23:07:21 <Avatar> my budget allowed for an i5
23:07:31 <Mekkis> then why get an i7?
23:07:38 <Avatar> because it's superior
23:07:41 <Mekkis> how so?
23:07:55 <Avatar> i3 + i5 capabilities
23:08:02 <Mekkis> like what?
23:08:19 <Avatar> I can't remember
23:08:48 <Mekkis> nice
23:09:14 <Avatar> hyperthreading and something else
23:09:27 <Mekkis> why do you care about hyperthreading?
23:09:40 <Avatar> why wouldn't you care about hyperthreading
23:10:05 <Mekkis> because it doesn't make any positive difference in most applications
23:10:18 <Ballig> but it's HYPERthreading
23:10:22 <Ballig> it's not just regular threading
23:10:34 <Avatar> games?
23:10:42 <Mekkis> including games
23:10:49 <Mekkis> it's got four cores already
23:10:59 <Mekkis> most games don't use more than two or three
23:11:11 <Ballig> but the threading is hyper
23:11:28 <Avatar> that could change
23:11:33 <Mekkis> nope
23:11:35 <Ballig> it's like the difference between a drive and a hyperdrive
23:11:37 <Ballig> one is HYPER
23:21:53 <Mekkis> a drive is where your park your car, right
23:21:58 <Mekkis> what's a hyperdrive?
23:22:47 <Ballig> a drive is motor that does not take fuel, but instead depends on a mechanism that stores potential energy for subsequent use
23:23:12 <Mekkis> you mean like a fuel tank?
23:23:30 <Ballig> is a fuel tank a motor?
23:23:42 <Mekkis> no
23:23:56 <Mekkis> it's a mechanism that stores potential energy for subsequent use
23:25:21 <Ballig> pretty sure a fuel tank is used by a motor that takes fuel
23:25:36 <Mekkis> yes
23:25:55 <Ballig> so the first half of the definition suggests that's not it, right?
23:25:55 <Ballig> :p
23:25:59 <Mekkis> but "a mechanism that stores potential energy for subsequent use" includes a fuel tank, right?
23:26:19 <Mekkis> so you're saying that a drive could be an electric motor
23:26:26 <Ballig> no because the first half rules it out
23:26:40 <Mekkis> as long as the electric motor wasn't powered by a fuel cell?
23:26:51 <Mekkis> (if it was powered by a battery, it'd be a drive)
23:26:56 <Ballig> are there any that aren't?
23:27:02 <Ballig> except in small-scale electronics
23:27:18 <Mekkis> motors that aren't powered by fuel?
23:27:27 <Mekkis> yes
23:27:32 <Ballig> electric motors that aren't powered by a fuel cell
23:28:04 <Mekkis> pretty much every electric motor isn't powered by a fuel cell
23:28:14 <Mekkis> fuel cell technology is in its infancy
23:29:11 <Ballig> sounds like they'd be drives, then
23:29:19 <Ballig> I'd rather a hyperdrive
23:29:41 <Mekkis> but if the electric motor is powered by the electricity grid, how would you tell if it was a drive or not?
23:30:06 <Ballig> by having more detailed definitions
23:30:37 <Mekkis> if the electricity comes from a coal, oil, gas or nuclear power plant, it'd need fuel
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