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01:06 <Avatar> Dogslicer:  This  short,  curved  blade  is 
01:06 <Avatar> favored by goblins, who often drill numerous holes into it in 
01:06 <Avatar> an attempt to reduce its weight.
01:14 <Avatar> holy shit, that is such a brilliant idea
01:32 <Avatar> why don't we normally drill holes into weapons to reduce weight
03:53 <canine> makes them less effective maybe
03:58 <canine> more prone to break, etc
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17:43 <Avatar> how do you become a Lance-Corporal of the Eagle Knights
17:54 <Avatar> do you get it by owning a lance
17:57 <Avatar> because I have one too now
19:35 <Avatar> +4 circumstance bonus to diplomacy rolls made in a major city in Andoran, Cheliax, Osirion, Qadira, Taldor or Absalom
19:38 <Avatar> how the hell did you get that
44:11 <MagicHateBal> ?
56:10 <Avatar> what
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25:09 <Avatar-> man I have to remember to put ultimate combat on my phone
37:03 <Mekkis> Avatar-, by being an andoran with over 20 fame, and spending 1 prestige, and getting letters of commendation from an eagle knight and an andoran town mayor
37:29 <Avatar-> that sounds hard
37:43 <Avatar-> what part us that
37:56 <Avatar-> is
38:05 <Avatar-> the title
38:13 <Avatar-> or the diplomacy bonus
38:19 <Mekkis> the title
12:00 <Avatar-> for one semester of uni
37:42 <Avatar-> cool I just got a raise
38:07 <Avatar-> thanks to not having to pay my 8 year old help debt
47:02 <MekkisScreen> my HELP debt is bigger than yours!
58:13 <Avatar-> it'd wanna be
58:20 <Avatar-> one semester, no degree
05:26 <Mono> hey all
12:11 <Avatar-> :o)
12:51 <MekkisScreen> Skip: responsible for the Cayden Celian temple massacre
14:16 <Avatar-> what
34:33 <MekkisScreen> Skip is Stephen's character
39:05 <Avatar> and?
40:06 <MekkisScreen> he doesn't know his powers
41:13 <Avatar> sorry I think if I'm going to understand this, you'll have to give me the story more than 10% at a time
01:51 <MekkisScreen> Ricochet Shield (Deadly Aim, Throw Anything): When you throw a shield, you can bounce it off one or more hard surfaces in order to strike a target from an unexpected angle or to bypass an obstacle such as cover. Each object you ricochet your shield off of imposes a ?2 penalty on the attack roll. Range increments apply for the total distance the shield travels, not just the direct distance between you and the target.
05:04 <Avatar> and what damage does a shield do
14:28 <Avatar> Brunius you playing on saturday
40:55 <Brunius> I dunno man
46:55 <Avatar> update your sheet if you are
02:13 <Avatar> shit, I regain grit by firing a killing blow or by getting critical hits
02:38 <Avatar> I can probably stick with using my gun as a melee weapon at 3rd level
02:47 <Avatar> not have to worry about all this rapier/lance shit
03:00 <Avatar> carrying capacity garbage
08:42 <Ballig> Avatar: that's created using php code
09:16 <Avatar> that's fucking wicked
09:18 <Avatar> is it finished
09:33 <Ballig> nope
09:41 <Avatar> it looks better than the ones we've already made
10:38 <Ballig> I need to make it modular yet
10:47 <Ballig> so that it can do any chronicle sheet
11:59 <Avatar> I installed cyanogen on my phone
12:10 <Avatar> I've only been looking at for a minute, but so far it looks pretty fucking wicked
12:19 <Ballig> why
14:22 <Avatar> it uh
14:29 <Avatar> seems to be able to do more
14:36 <Avatar> and it looks better
14:59 <Avatar> I'm told it's less laggy, but I wasn't really getting any lag before
15:41 <Ballig> did you have to root your phone
16:06 <Avatar> yeah
16:13 <Avatar> but that was a lot easier than I thought it would be
16:25 <Avatar> didn't wipe anything throughout the whole process
16:53 <Avatar> except my home screen
17:19 <Ballig> I'm not rooting my phone
17:54 <Avatar> I've only just done it, I might come across some problems yet
45:12 <Brunius> http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/2011/10/14/pizza-troll-re-trolled-you-are-no-fun-sistah/
51:36 <Brunius> Acshually D&D related: http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/2011/10/11/omegle-troll-i-would-have-surrendered/
53:21 <Ballig> my problem is that there's no reason to post that
53:24 <Ballig> the person just disconnected
53:26 <Ballig> anyone could make a log like that
54:19 <Brunius> Mmmm, I suppose
54:27 <Brunius> Heh, yesterday at school
54:32 <Brunius> They have a daily bulletin
54:42 <Brunius> You know, the oval is closed today, etc.
54:51 <Brunius> Someone made a fake one.
55:26 <Brunius> Stuff like "Year 11 students note that a SES representative will consult them on Blimp attack and Zombie Apocalypse preparedness"
55:38 <Brunius> I love my school.
56:07 <Avatar> I'd argue that a good fake one would involve a daily bulletin that looks real but is actually a hoax
56:52 <Brunius> He didn't wanna get busted for disrupting classes etc.
56:57 <Brunius> So he made it obviously fake
57:00 <Brunius> Just for the lulz
57:07 <Brunius> (Some of the teachers thought it was real)
59:05 <Avatar> we had a social science teacher who was like 90 years old
59:26 <Avatar> we had a week or so where a sub came in, and he was another 90 year old
59:44 <Avatar> he kept droning on about whatever we were supposed to be learning, everyone was falling asleep
59:53 <Avatar> my friend put up his hand and asked "what's a dinosaur?"
00:02 <Avatar> and he started explaining what a dinosaur was
00:26 <Avatar> nobody in whole class even noticed until about 20 seconds later when that one guy realised what had happened
01:05 <Avatar> this was in grade 8, so it wasn't like we were at an age where we wouldn't have known what a dinosaur is
09:05 <Ballig> Avatar: they're probably both dead now
10:02 <Avatar> yeah :P
10:26 <Avatar> we went on an excursion to toowong cemetary once
10:34 <Avatar> lots of jokes made
12:05 <Ballig> I just threw out a lot of frozen food that I don't plan on eating
14:34 <Avatar> but what about the homeless
15:36 <Ballig> I worked with the homeless enough, they're dicks
15:50 <Avatar> ice cream sandwich unlocks your phone with face recognition
16:03 <Ballig> that sounds bad
16:13 <Avatar> if it can't see you, you can do it the hard way
16:41 <Ballig> then what's the use
16:46 <Ballig> anyone can just unlock it the hard way
16:55 <Avatar> this is only if you secure your phone
17:00 <Avatar> the hard way being that code thingy
17:05 <Avatar> where you drag a pattern
17:19 <Avatar> but if it knows your face, you don't have to do that, you just get it to look at you
17:34 <Ballig> don't you have to turn it around so that the camera sees your face
17:54 <Avatar> front camera
19:31 <Ballig> is there one
23:01 <Ballig> MekkisScreen: if you uptier, do you get all the items from the tiers about you? in which case, do you cross out those tiers on the sheet?
24:11 <Ballig> not sure what I meant by about. I think I meant "below"
24:51 <Avatar> yeah man
24:59 <Avatar> to both of those
25:03 <Avatar> you get tier 1-2 and 4-5
25:23 <Avatar> the gp you get feels pretty astronomical
25:33 <Avatar> you wonder why you've been playing low tier for so long
25:36 <Ballig> it can't be yea hto both, surely
25:44 <Avatar> it's yeah to both
25:45 <Ballig> yes you get the items but yes you cross them out anyway?
25:58 <Avatar> yes to you get the items and yes to there is a front camera
26:06 <Ballig> that's three things
26:17 <Avatar> well I didn't think you'd count the ones that don't make sense together
26:22 <Ballig> you dont' get the gold from both tiers though
26:31 <Avatar> no you just get the higher tier gold count
26:47 <Ballig> so the only way to know which tier a character sheet is for is by which gold is crossed out?
26:48 <Avatar> getting 1300gp is a lot, lot nicer than getting 500gp
26:55 <Ballig> because all three tiers could be left blank
27:03 <Avatar> well you cross out the tiers that don't apply
27:06 <Ballig> dude, I'm not asking for loot reasons
27:10 <Ballig> I'm asking for chronicle sheet reasons
27:16 <Avatar> I'm just sayin'
27:18 <Ballig> but if you cross out tier 1-2
27:22 <Avatar> getting that loot is NICE
27:24 <Ballig> that's crossing out all the items in tier1-2
27:27 <Ballig> suggesting you don't get those items
27:30 <Avatar> you never cross out 1-2
27:39 <Ballig> so you don't cross out the tiers that don't apply, then
27:39 <Avatar> if you play 1-2, you cross out 4-5 and 6-7
27:51 <Avatar> you do cross out the tiers that don't apply
27:57 <Ballig> what about with the max gold
27:59 <Ballig> which ones do you cross out
28:17 <Avatar> with the gold you cross out all the ones that don't apply
28:24 <Avatar> only one is ever uncrossed out
28:28 <Ballig> see, "don't apply" is ambiguous
28:41 <Avatar> good grief
28:42 <Ballig> with gold all but one apply, with tiers all three can apply
28:43 <Ballig> that's ambiguous
28:58 <Avatar> that's because gold is just a number
29:02 <Avatar> but tiers is a bunch of items
29:19 <Ballig> do you cross out individual items that the players didn't find in the scenario
29:28 <Avatar> no
29:31 <Ballig> are you sure
29:43 <Avatar> well I've got a lot of chronicle sheets and that's never been the case
29:47 <Avatar> it's even that way with gold
29:54 <Ballig> see, I have a feeling you're not meant to give the full gold
29:59 <Ballig> it SAYS "max gold"
30:03 <Ballig> and each encounter has a gold amount in it
30:08 <Avatar> not sure
30:13 <Avatar> every GM i've played under gives max
30:22 <Ballig> for some reason I feel one of ours didn't
31:09 <Ballig> the darkest vengeance
31:17 <Ballig> has an item crossed out individually, doesn't have max gold
31:25 <Avatar> I didn't actually complete darkest vengeance
31:44 <Avatar> hmmm that means I could play it again
31:56 <Ballig> do you want to
31:57 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure nobody would mind if I metagamed through it
31:59 <Ballig> GM it
32:01 <Avatar> I could just escape
32:03 <Avatar> haha GM it
32:08 <Avatar> you GM it
32:10 <Ballig> I will
32:12 <Ballig> I will so GM it
32:14 <Avatar> you would
32:29 <Avatar> make Zerib and Eidrehn play it as their first session
32:33 <Ballig> the only reason I didn't die in that scenario was because I was unconscious
32:39 <Ballig> and you guys thought you were almost done so didn't revive me
32:44 <Avatar> hhaha
32:49 <Avatar> smart decision there
32:53 <Ballig> for me
32:57 <Avatar> I probably saved your life
33:03 <Avatar> again
33:04 <Ballig> too bad I can't go back and play it now, as a level 4
33:06 <Ballig> on tier1-2
33:15 <Ballig> wonder if I could one shot the boss
33:18 <Avatar> are you level 4 now
33:21 <Avatar> that's right
33:21 <Ballig> yeah
33:32 <Avatar> I realised that I have no real reason to take 12th level gunslinger
33:38 <Avatar> and I'm actually better off multiclassing at that point
33:46 <Ballig> fighter !
33:55 <Ballig> instant feat, +1 BAB, +2 fort save
34:03 <Ballig> or paladin if you want two +2 saves
34:05 <Avatar> that's what 12th level gunslinger gives me
34:19 <Avatar> oh, actually, I get two saves
34:31 <Avatar> so no
34:33 <Avatar> probably cleric
34:39 <Avatar> or, ho ho ho, oracle !
34:44 <Avatar> oracle is such a bad fucking class
34:51 <Avatar> they need more/better curses
34:56 <Avatar> the ones listed are awful
35:21 <Ballig> you won't get +2 to two saves in one level
36:01 <Ballig> 12th level gives you +1 will
36:13 <Ballig> actually no, it gives +1 to all
36:53 <Avatar> oh yeah, 3 saves
37:03 <Avatar> that's not really a good enough reason
37:03 <Ballig> bard gives a fair bit at level 1 actually
37:10 <Avatar> yeah I was looking at bard
37:11 <Ballig> but no BAB
37:27 <Avatar> would be nice to be able to use a CLW wand myself
37:36 <Ballig> at level 12 it wouldn't do much
37:44 <Avatar> oh it'll do plenty
37:51 <Ballig> no it'll do 1d8+1
37:59 <Avatar> that's enough to restore a character
38:05 <Ballig> in how many charges?
38:08 <Avatar> 1
38:21 <Avatar> restore a character from dying state to not-dying state
38:23 <Ballig> being conscious with that little hp is dangerous
38:35 <Avatar> being conscious with negative hp is dangerous
38:40 <Avatar> unconscious*
38:52 <Ballig> most creatures will let you stay unconscious
39:04 <Avatar> pathfinder is much more punishing when you hit negative hp
39:09 <Avatar> you think it's better than 3.5 but it's not
39:19 <Ballig> you survived against the fiendish rage drake in SoTo because it dropped you to negative hitpoints without killing you
39:30 <Ballig> Lucianus' character got ripped apart because he was at low hp and then took a full round against him
39:51 <Ballig> well, here's one thing: you can't use a wand on yourself when you're unconscious
40:01 <Ballig> here's another: if your point is to stabilise, there are cheaper ways
40:01 <Avatar> not on yourself, on someone else in the party
40:10 <Avatar> protecting your party is just as important as protecting yourself
40:18 <Avatar> well, alomst
40:20 <Avatar> almost*
43:10 <MekkisScreen> hn
43:30 <Avatar> hn
44:39 <Brunius> Man
44:47 <Brunius> I look away from OpenTTD for 30 seconds
44:55 <Brunius> And gain like $400 000
45:08 <Avatar> what is open ttd
46:00 <Brunius> Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe
47:01 <canine> just looked it up, looks interesting
47:07 <canine> native linux client too
47:38 <Brunius> Yeah :)
48:20 <Brunius> Because it's open source and all
51:32 <Ballig> my pants are open source
51:37 <Ballig> do you want to check out my native linux client?
52:38 <canine> in your case its 32 bit... most people want 64 bit these days..
53:00 <Avatar> hey check it out I still have tyrale's number
53:04 <Avatar> we should get him in for some sweet pfs
53:04 <Ballig> haha
53:05 <Brunius> lol
53:06 <Ballig> give him a call
53:16 <Brunius> Yeah, I've been thinking about 64-bit
53:17 <Avatar> what would I say
53:29 <Brunius> "Hey dude, wanna play some D&D?"
53:52 <Ballig> "where you been mang?"
55:07 <Avatar> that'd be weird I think
55:20 <Brunius> I should write a players perspective on PFS some time.
56:06 <canine> how is this going to support BeOS but not Haiku
56:11 <Avatar> maybe level up your character sheet first
56:54 <Brunius> Screw that man
56:59 <Brunius> BeOS is cool, man.
57:09 <Brunius> It's levelled up IRL...
57:15 <Ballig> you realise that if you don't update your character sheet most DMs in here are going to count you as level 1
57:50 <Brunius> Hasn't happened yet.
58:03 <Ballig> it would have happened last time if I knew you simply couldn't be bothered
59:06 <canine> there we go, openttd set up.
59:10 <Brunius> So how are you guys meant to check my chronicle sheets from RL?
59:25 <Ballig> do we need to audit your character?
59:31 <Brunius> "Dude, how did you get this +12 Greatsword" "Chronicle sheet at Arcanacon"
59:38 <Brunius> I don't think so.
59:45 <Ballig> that seems to be what you're asking, man
00:05 <Ballig> you can always tell us which scenario it was, we can check that you have it reported on that character
00:12 <Ballig> and check that chronicle sheet to see if it's legitimate
00:14 <Brunius> Avatar says the DM needs access to my sheet. Technically, they need access to all my chronicles sheets too
00:26 <Ballig> the very basic requirement is access to your sheet
00:46 <Ballig> chronicle sheets only come into play if we think your sheet is suss
01:25 <Brunius> If you guys are gonna kick up such a fuss, I'll update it.
01:26 <Brunius> Sheesh.
01:43 * canine has class ability to cast all level 9 spells an unlimited number of times per day as a free action
01:52 <Ballig> :p
03:00 <Avatar> does anyone want to play a tengu in pfs
03:04 <Brunius> Tengu?
03:07 <Avatar> yeah
03:17 <Avatar> I won a chronicle sheet at unicon where I can roll a tengu character
03:24 <Avatar> but I don't want to play a tengu at all
03:37 <canine> that sounds cool
03:46 <Avatar> do you want it
03:55 <canine> let me look to see what a tengu is
03:59 <canine> I'm a tiefling person personally.
04:02 <Avatar> well it's a dood
04:09 <Ballig> I played a tengu in tyrale's pathfinder game
04:16 <Avatar> did you like it
04:20 <Ballig> it was fine
04:24 <canine> oh awesome
04:24 <Ballig> from memory, it focuses on swords
04:25 <canine> dog people
04:25 <Avatar> fine
04:31 <Ballig> isn't tengu bird people
04:48 <Ballig> how do you give a chronicle sheet away
04:48 <Avatar> wait, do tengus get flight 
04:49 <Ballig> is that even possible
04:55 <canine> wait, I was looking at the wrong description
05:02 <Avatar> you can get special ones
05:10 <Avatar> mekkis linked to one in here that someone was selling on ebay
05:45 <Ballig> how much for
05:47 <canine> I would totally use it if my character wasn't already rolled
05:52 <Avatar> $50 I think
06:00 <Avatar> you can make a second character
06:13 <Avatar> you can't make a tengu without this sheet though
06:15 <Avatar> do you want it
06:29 <canine> if you're not going to use it
06:29 <canine> sure
06:35 <Avatar> what are you going to give me for it
06:51 <Ballig> ha
06:55 <canine> hmm
08:00 <Avatar> I can't believe I didn't ask the others who won one if they wanted to swap
08:10 <Ballig> what did they win
08:17 <Avatar> I don't know, a vanity of some sort
08:23 <Avatar> mine was supposed to be the best of the three
08:29 <canine> are tieflings ever given out?
08:37 <Avatar> I think the ebay one was a tiefling
08:44 <canine> they're +1 adjusted level in regular dnd
08:50 <canine> not sure about pfs
08:59 <Avatar> yeah not sure
09:06 <Avatar> actally it wasn't a tiefling
09:08 <Avatar> it was a umm
09:13 <Avatar> what's that one you can't pronounce
09:17 <Avatar> starts with an a I think
09:25 <canine> arraoak
09:28 <canine> or somthing like that?
09:28 <Avatar> no
09:32 <Avatar> fairly common one
09:50 <Avatar> aasimar
10:04 <canine> oh, thats the good version of a tiefling
10:11 <Avatar> ye
10:11 <canine> so tieflings must be available somehow too
10:20 <Avatar> well the one I got was definitely different
10:28 <Avatar> so i'm guessing a bunch of different things are attainable
10:38 <Avatar> I only got it out of a game of luck
11:03 <canine> http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?579419-Pony-Pathfinders-custom-race
11:39 <Avatar> forget playing a pony
11:47 <canine> aww
12:19 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 22nd 2.30pm (Mekkis) |LSK: Sat 22nd Oct 7pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
12:19 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Wed Oct 19 20:24:41 2011
12:19 <***> Buffer Playback...
12:20 <***> Playback Complete.
13:29 <Avatar> I hope that extra deeds feat pays off
13:37 <Avatar> er
13:39 <Avatar> extra grit
13:50 <Avatar> taking it seemed like a no brainer at 1st level
14:14 <canine> whats it do?
14:22 <Ballig> gives him extra grit
14:23 <Brunius> Remind me to update Derau's sheet tomorro
14:25 <Brunius> w
14:38 <Avatar> it's like +2 grit points
14:56 <Avatar> I can spend grit to use a couple of special abilities
15:04 <Avatar> most notably to fix my gun quickly, at the moment
15:05 <canine> ah right, gunslinger
15:06 <canine> forgot about that
15:18 <Avatar> before I took the musket master archetype, it could also help me dodge ranged attacks
15:27 <Avatar> but I never used that, and I don't have it anymore
15:37 <Brunius> I might have missed some stuff on Kaleb's sheet
15:39 <Avatar> at 3rd level I can pistol whip for 1d10 damage
15:41 <Brunius> PM it to me if I have
15:58 <Avatar> costing 1 grit each time
16:09 <canine> nice
16:17 <canine> how much grit per day do you get?
16:23 <Avatar> 5
16:30 <Avatar> +3 from wisdom and +2 from extra grit
16:33 <Avatar> I guess
16:35 <Ballig> is it per day
16:39 <Ballig> or do you only gain it from crit/kill shots
16:42 <Avatar> and I regain 1 grit point by dealing a killing blow or landing a critical hit
16:44 <Avatar> I just need to carry more shit
16:49 <Avatar> or I get it all back by resting
16:58 <canine> so you could potentially pistol whip 50 damage to someone.
17:07 <Avatar> no, how
17:19 <Avatar> I can potentially pistol whip for 22 damage
17:27 <Ballig> what's "pistol whip"
17:29 <canine> oh, maximum times per day?
17:32 <Ballig> and why does it do less damage than your normal attack
17:33 <Avatar> melee with your gun
17:36 <canine> make a profession(engineering) check to discover helium
17:45 <Avatar> it's not vs touch ac either I don't believe
17:45 <canine> then make giant helium balloons
17:54 <canine> But please tell me you named your gunslinger Rooster Cogburn though.
17:55 <Avatar> since it's not, y'know, powered by gunpowder
18:02 <canine> and suspend your equipment from them.
18:06 <Avatar> his name's Buck
18:08 <Avatar> Buck Beastwood
18:14 <Mekkis> how is that engineering?
18:17 <Avatar> I don't know that tying helium balloons to myself is the solution
18:21 <Ballig> Buck Morris
18:25 <Avatar> with his old friend Dobs
18:32 <canine> chemical engineering
18:43 <Mekkis> canine, explain
18:49 <Avatar> Dobs is such a cool horse name
18:53 <Mekkis> you can't get helium from a chemical process
18:55 <Ballig> why does using your gun as a melee weapon cost grit
19:02 <Ballig> is there even any advantage to that
19:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, get a porter
19:08 <Avatar> not having to switch weapons
19:09 <Mekkis> 6pp
19:15 <Avatar> what's a porter
19:22 <Mekkis> someone who carries your shit
19:28 <Avatar> 1d10 damage is pretty decent too
19:33 <Brunius> Mmmm
19:56 <Ballig> not that decent
19:56 <canine> helium is a chemical element.
20:03 <Ballig> I do 3d6
20:07 <canine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSOqUswBfMs < Dobs and Buck
20:17 <canine> Thus, a chemical engineer is the most likely discoverer in the pathfinder world.
20:19 <Avatar> oh
20:23 <Avatar> and I can make them prone at the same time
20:25 <canine> Unless a wizard beats him to it
20:30 <Ballig> he was singing that during the last game
20:37 <canine> or a chemist anyway
20:38 <Avatar> haha
20:46 <canine> but a chemical engineer would likely be a qualified chemist anyway
21:01 <canine> chemist in the scientific sense, not the medicinal sense
21:03 <Mekkis> canine, and still
21:13 <Mekkis> you can't get helium from a chemical process
21:14 <Ballig> I think it's funny that this guy used a screencapture program to capture a flash video
21:16 <Ballig> to post to youtube
21:30 <Avatar> so how do you get helium
21:33 <canine> lol
21:43 <canine> If not, you could still recognise it for what it is
21:44 <Mekkis> it's found in natural gas deposits
21:52 <Brunius> That is pretty fail
21:54 <Brunius> Night guys
21:55 <canine> "Hey, this gas is lighter than air. I'm a chemist so I know."
21:58 <Avatar> gg
22:01 <Avatar> where's the nearest natural gas deposit to absalom
22:02 <Brunius> Parents reckon I have to go to bed...
22:03 <Mekkis> helium is a noble gas...
22:09 <Avatar> survival check?
22:15 <canine> gn
22:27 <canine> I think a dowsing rod would help
22:30 <Brunius> Avatar, Ballig, would you mind going through Kaleb's sheet and highlighting anything that it looks like I've missed?
22:35 <Brunius> I definetely missed feats.
22:40 <Mekkis> not sure...
22:54 <Avatar> yeah
23:06 <Mekkis> I suppose a wizard could get it via major creation
23:14 <Avatar> my computer is carking it over too many firefox and foxit tabs
23:21 <Avatar> I have about 10 PDFs open
23:41 <canine> So quick question, what is a major city in the timezone you all go by?
23:49 <Avatar> melbourne !!
23:56 <canine> how many cubic meters of something can be produced by that?
24:00 <Avatar> or alternatively, sydney
24:07 <Avatar> I had major creation
24:10 <Avatar> it is an annoyance
24:11 <canine> its currently 9:27 pm, correct?
24:14 <Mekkis> not sure, to be honest
24:15 <Avatar> correct
24:19 <canine> sweet.
24:23 <Mekkis> you'd need to get liquid helium
24:24 <Avatar> what happened to the topic
24:26 <Avatar> I misread how it worked
24:28 <Avatar> initially
24:29 <canine> enough to fill a sheep bladder I'm sure.
24:32 <Mekkis> and I'm not sure of the mass and density
24:51 <Mekkis> hydrogen is easier to get, and has more lifting power
24:59 <canine> this new desktop manager I'm using has a world clock function so I can add clocks for multiple timezones.
25:04 <Avatar> when I asked mekkis for a morning game on saturday, he said "maybe"
25:05 <Avatar> still not really a solution
25:06 <Ballig> my script that keeps the topic set probably reset it to an old one
25:07 <Avatar> and didn't elaborate
25:09 <Ballig> because my computer crashed
25:22 <Avatar> unless there's a way to trap it inside the backpack
25:24 <Avatar> I guess
25:29 <Avatar> canine: cool
25:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, the porter?
25:31 <Avatar> or inside my armour
25:33 <Avatar> that is a good idea
25:38 <Avatar> the porter can't wear my armour for me
25:42 <Mekkis> so?
25:50 <Mekkis> he can carry your stuff
25:51 <Avatar> almost all of my carrying capacity is being taken up by my weapon and armour
25:56 <Mekkis> so?
26:02 <Mekkis> what armour are you wearing?
26:04 <Avatar> Ballig: buy a dream journal of the pallid seer
26:06 <Avatar> and then let me read it
26:09 <Avatar> it's only 600gp
26:11 <Avatar> studded leather
26:15 <Avatar> stuff you would think is light
26:19 <Avatar> being "light" armour
26:29 <Avatar> it's half my capacity on its own
26:42 <Mekkis> heh
26:54 <MekkisScreen> Avatar, he also has to buy the book it's in
26:55 <Ballig> have I done the pallid seer
26:55 <Mekkis> that's your problem
26:58 <Avatar> I really don't know how we've ignored carrying capacity for so long
27:02 <Avatar> yeah and buy the book it's in too
27:04 <Mekkis> upgrade it to mithril chainshirt
27:06 <Ballig> what
27:13 <Ballig> have I even done it
27:18 <Avatar> it's not a scenario
27:19 <Avatar> it's an item
27:19 <Avatar> isn't mithril chainshirt heavier
27:23 <Avatar> a journal, if you will
27:27 <Mekkis> don't think so
27:37 <Avatar> I don't think mithril actually changes the weight
27:43 <MekkisScreen> from an adventure path
27:45 <Mekkis> and if you're planning on always wearing light armour, it's what you'll want regardless
28:10 <Mekkis>   An item made from mithral weighs half as much as
28:10 <Mekkis> the same item made from other metals. In the case of
28:13 <Ballig> what
28:14 <Avatar> "one category lighter"
28:17 <Ballig> that doesn't make sense
28:22 <Ballig> why don't you buy it and let me read it
28:28 <Avatar> that doesn't really help anything
28:37 <Avatar> because I need my 600gp
28:55 <Mekkis> 12.5lb rather than 20
29:12 <Avatar> where are you seeing that
29:18 <Avatar> oh, weighs half as much
29:21 <Mekkis> p155
29:27 <Avatar> I use the SRD
29:31 <Mekkis> and you'll want it anyway
29:46 <Avatar> just for the +1 AC
29:49 <Ballig> why don't I
29:57 <Ballig> MekkisScreen: how do I get an advanced simple template pony
30:02 <Avatar> it actually makes my trait irrelevant if I get it
30:04 <canine> Save it all, then when you're about level 10, hire hundreds of level 1 servants to follow you through a dungeon to use as meat shields
30:11 <Avatar> I'm better off getting mithril something better
30:17 <Mekkis> trait?
30:23 <Avatar> armour expert
30:25 <Avatar> -1 to AC check penalty
30:44 <Mekkis> mithril breastplate?
30:55 <Avatar> something like that
31:08 <Mekkis> get chainmail
31:11 <Mekkis> it looks better
31:18 <Ballig> except that by level 10 you're making like 4k gold a scenario
31:20 <Avatar> I should probably prioritise that over getting a +1 weapon
31:30 <Ballig> so that first four thousand you made, by doing like 8 scenarios, doesn't mean as much
31:51 <Mekkis> Grolschmir got a +1 weapon at second level
31:59 <Mekkis> he didn't get decent armour until fifth
32:28 <Avatar> must've played an uptier between 1-2
32:36 <Avatar> because I haven't bought that much and I'm nowhere near affording it
32:37 <Avatar> imagine that, 4k gold a scenario
32:40 <Mekkis> he did
32:46 <Mekkis> uptier for fun and profit
32:58 <Avatar> maybe we should try super-uptier a scenario 
32:58 <canine> well at about 10 silver a person
33:05 <Ballig> it's actually closer to 8k
33:06 <Avatar> get ourselves a bit of a boost
33:08 <canine> thats 40,000 servants you could hire.
33:09 <Avatar> and play really really cautiously
33:35 <Ballig> scenario 26, tier 10-11 gives you 7,540 gold
33:45 <Avatar> ok we'll do that one
33:54 <Ballig> the extra items you get for it? three scrolls
34:19 <Avatar> what scrolls
34:25 <Ballig> flame strike, something else, raise dead
34:26 <Avatar> and DEATH
34:32 <Avatar> c'mon, raise fucking dead
34:33 <Avatar> win!
34:33 <canine> ... wish.
34:38 <Avatar> you have to be lucky or have a good 6-player table to do that
34:39 <Mekkis> hasn't happened yet
34:41 <Avatar> or both
34:55 <Avatar> we would've died in city of strangers 2 for sure if we uptiered
35:04 <canine> If you wanted to, could you raise dead on the boss after you've killed him?
35:07 <canine> just to kill him again?
35:16 <Mekkis> I've had a lot of fun, and a lot of profit, uptiering :)
35:17 <Avatar> I think he gets a will save
35:29 <Avatar> yeah but nobody rolls characters like you do :P
35:42 <Mekkis> my first scenario was uptiered!
35:59 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure you knew how to make an overpowered character in your first scenario
36:07 <Avatar> why would he resist coming back to life though
36:09 <Mekkis> nope
36:11 <Avatar> he doesn't know you're going to kill him again
36:28 <Ballig> scenarios 11-34, sans scenario 13, can be automated without effort
36:29 <Mekkis> well... I did know how
36:33 <Mekkis> but I didn't make one
36:35 <Ballig> well I say without effort, I mean without extra effort
36:40 <Ballig> I've spent two days getting it to this point
36:42 <Avatar> what do you mean automated
36:45 <Ballig> the chronicle sheet
36:48 <Avatar> oh
36:49 <Avatar> you always say you don't make them
36:51 <Avatar> wicked
36:51 <canine> back in a few
36:53 <Avatar> what's wrong with 13
36:53 <Avatar> but I think differently
37:00 <Ballig> some of them only have 2 tiers
37:06 <Mekkis> have I posted Mytiazair's sheet?
37:07 <Ballig> and instead of leaving the third tier blank like the newer scenarios do
37:11 <Ballig> they remove it from the sheet entirely
37:14 <Ballig> it takes the alignment out
37:21 <Avatar> probably, but I don't think I can read it
37:39 <Mekkis> nope
37:42 <Ballig> scenarios 11-34 (sans 13) are in the same format and allows easier automation
37:42 <Mekkis> I haven't yet
37:49 <Ballig> I'm finding out which ones need specific attention
38:02 <Ballig> my main problem now is that I've only been able to get chronicle sheets for scenarios 1-36 (sans 35, for some reason)
38:09 <Ballig> haven't found a torrent with other scenarios yet
38:24 <Avatar> do you always get a dream journal
38:45 <Avatar> in fact wait a sec, how can you buy it if it's not on a chronicle sheet
38:50 <Avatar> it's a magic item isn't it
39:14 <canine> Trying to order a €7 thing from a shop in France online, shipping is €74.99
39:25 <canine> €74.68 rather
39:49 <Avatar> what's a 7 thing
39:59 <canine> €7
40:13 <canine> cant see the symbol maybe, 7 euros
40:19 <Mekkis> Avatar, it's a magic item
40:27 <Mekkis> and no, I don't
40:31 <Avatar> then how can you buy it
40:36 <Mekkis> only Grolschmir and Mytiazair have it
40:48 <Mekkis> fame lets you buy stuff
41:28 <Avatar> putting my phone on standby does an effect which is like turning off an old tv
41:32 <Avatar> it's pretty wicked
41:36 <Ballig> ha
41:42 <Avatar> man I am so sick of keeping the goddamn citadel of flame PDF open
41:47 <Avatar> looked at it so many times
42:03 <Avatar> it's worth it just to put it on standby and turn it back on again and put it on standby again
42:10 <Mekkis> have you finished it yet?
42:13 <Avatar> doesn't fame just let you buy more expensive stuff
42:15 <Avatar> yeah we finished it
42:17 <Mekkis> yeah
42:19 <Mekkis> it does
42:27 <Mekkis> and the Dream Journal costs 600gp
42:29 <Avatar> fame doesn't let you buy magic items?
42:39 <Mekkis> the more expensive stuff INCLUDES magic items
42:53 <Avatar> you've lost me
43:01 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/mytizair.pdf
43:05 <Avatar> i don't think that's right man
43:10 <Mekkis> fame lets you buy magic items
43:33 <Mekkis> you mean you didn't know that?!
43:45 <Avatar> Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted 
43:46 <Avatar> to  purchasing  additional  items  from  his  accumulated 
43:46 <Avatar> Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his prestige within 
43:46 <Avatar> his  faction.  Weapons,  armor,  equipment,  magic  items 
43:46 <Avatar> and so on that are outside of these lists are not available 
43:46 <Avatar> for  purchase  at  any  time. 
43:57 <Avatar> "the gear noted above" being always available items
44:09 <Mekkis> capitalizing on his prestige within his  faction
44:14 <Mekkis> aka his fame
44:37 <Avatar> you can buy things with prestige, not fame
44:51 <Mekkis> what version of the guide are you reading from?
45:15 <Avatar> erm
45:20 <Mekkis> I'm genuinely concerned that you don't know that
45:21 <Avatar> the one that introduced the new factions
45:34 <Avatar> and prestige and fame
45:54 <Mekkis> the one with the table of the fame and the maximum gp spend?
46:16 <Avatar> yeah
46:23 <Avatar> table 5-3
46:27 <Mekkis> yeah
46:33 <Mekkis> that's the maximum gp spend
46:39 <Mekkis> that you can spend on anything
46:50 <Avatar> but that other paragraph says you can't buy magic items unless they are on a chronicle sheet
47:17 <Mekkis> or on that table
47:27 <Avatar> on table 5-4, yeah
49:02 <Mekkis> I'll just download the latest guide
49:26 <Mekkis> but I'm certain that I'm right :)
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49:57 <Avatar> I've got version 4 (august 4, 2001)
49:59 <Avatar> 2011)
50:55 <Mekkis> I was reading version 2.something
50:59 <Mekkis> with table 11.2'
51:16 <Avatar> how do you even know the rules when you only have v2
51:29 <Mekkis> because I know what's changed
52:19 <Avatar> how
52:22 <Avatar> if you have the wrong rulebook
52:46 <Mekkis> A character’s Fame
52:46 <Mekkis> score determines the maximum gp value of any items
52:46 <Mekkis> she can purchase from her faction, as detailed in Table
52:46 <Mekkis> 5–2 below. The character must still actually spend the
52:46 <Mekkis> gold to receive the desired item.
55:09 <Avatar> why are you pasting that
55:12 <Avatar> we agree on that
57:34 <Mekkis> because that's the bit that lets you buy _any_ item
57:40 <Mekkis> be it magical or nonmagical
58:42 <Avatar> as detailed in table 5-2 below? is that?
58:55 <Avatar> what's table 52
58:55 <Mekkis> yes
59:14 <Avatar> table 5-2 is sample spellcasting services
59:29 <Mekkis> strange
59:33 <Mekkis> the numbering's fucked
59:48 <Avatar> it's meant to be 5-3
59:52 <Avatar> "below"
59:52 <Mekkis> yes
00:20 <Avatar> purchasing stuff from your faction still says to me that it needs to be on the chronicle sheets
01:40 <Mekkis> many people, including myself and the Australian VCs, would disagree with you
01:56 <Mekkis> nothing of your faction is on the chronicle sheets
02:23 <Avatar> so where does it say your faction has magic items
03:02 <Mekkis> table 5-3
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03:38 <Mekkis> given that all nonmagical equipment is already in the "always available" category
03:58 <Avatar> table 5-3 doesn't say that at all
04:14 <Avatar> fame scores and maximum item costs
04:28 <Avatar> we will continue this later
04:30 <Avatar> I am going to bed
04:43 <Mekkis> no we won't
04:49 <Mekkis> because I know that I'm right
05:00 <Avatar> ah but how do you know ?
05:04 <Mekkis> and it seems that you're just trying to rules-lawyer yourself into a corner
05:08 <Mekkis> enjoy yourself there
05:21 <Mekkis> I know because everyone else does it that way
05:34 <Mekkis> (including Stephen)
05:37 <Avatar> do you think I want to not have good shit
05:49 <Avatar> I am just reading the rules man
05:52 <Avatar> just reading the rules
07:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, I could be convinced that no, you don't want to have good stuff
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09:55 <Mekkis> !reincarnate35
09:56 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 57: Half-orc 
10:07 NickOP sets mode +r Mekkis
10:12 <Mekkis> !reincarnate35
10:13 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 100:Dragon:Copper Dragon, Ancient
10:16 <Mekkis> :)
19:26 <Mekkis> !reincarnate35
19:27 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 21: Elf 
23:35 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate
24:23 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
24:23 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 6: Dwarf 
24:29 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate30
24:29 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 24: Centaur 
24:37 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
24:38 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 76: Human 
25:00 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
25:00 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 70: Halfling 
25:09 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
25:09 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 14: Elf 
25:15 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
25:15 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 53: Half-orc 
25:16 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 25: Elf 
25:24 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
25:24 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 38: Gnome 
25:35 <canine> !deincarnate
25:58 <canine> whats the command doing?
26:03 <canine> generating random races?
26:33 <MekkisScreen> !reincarnate35
26:34 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Roll: 21: Elf 
27:49 <Avatar> it chooses a reincarnation for you
30:23 <canine> who gets to reincarnate?
30:29 <canine> Thats not a spell I remember
30:35 <Avatar> druid spell
31:02 <canine> ah ok
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52:49 <Avatar> hmmm I just found out someone I went to school with turned out really super hot ten years later
53:18 <Avatar> I didn't notice until just now where she posted a photo of 4 girls in it, and I couldn't tell which one she was
53:30 <Avatar> and then it's like wait.... she's the really hot one I looked at first
53:42 <Avatar> ....but that looks nothing like her
53:44 <Avatar> ....does it ?
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