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00:03:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hey, who here knows about melbourne based/close Unis?
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04:49:28 <snypt> serious what kind of sick twisted people get out of bed this time of day
04:49:29 <Avatar> woke up 10 minutes before my first alarm, go body clock!
04:49:36 <Avatar> haha yes
04:49:36 <snypt> it is like bedtime
04:49:41 <snypt> ah there is my answer
04:49:46 <snypt> sick twisted ppl like Avatar
04:49:57 <Avatar> oh this is not a common thing for me man
04:50:02 <Avatar> my body just knew today was con day
04:50:08 <snypt> lol ye you are not the only one
04:50:16 <snypt> i kept waking up too
04:50:23 <snypt> excited i guess for my first con
04:51:28 <snypt> i satrted working on a drawbridge kinda think for the castle
04:51:38 <snypt> thing
04:52:31 <Avatar> you went silent last night
04:52:43 <snypt> lol yeah i was concentrating
04:52:52 <snypt> im kinda new to these redstone sircuits
04:52:56 <Avatar> you were in the zone
04:53:33 <Avatar> I actually woke up thinking, hmm how much longer do I get to sleep, and then looked at the time
04:54:18 <Avatar> is something wrong with the server
04:54:35 <snypt> nah it does that every morning
04:54:43 <snypt> after the restart i think
05:10:27 <Avatar> fuck I am going to fall asleep before the game starts
05:15:52 <snypt> lol
05:16:08 <snypt> man im looking at some forum post
05:16:17 <snypt> you know ppl have made computers out of redstone
05:16:20 <snypt> =/
05:16:26 <Avatar> yeah i've seen the video of it
05:16:32 <Avatar> but it seems to have no practical purpose
05:16:43 <snypt> it is crazy
05:16:43 <Avatar> they just talk about it a lot
05:16:53 <Avatar> like what are you giong to do with a computer in minecraft
05:17:11 <Avatar> I don't think it had any sort of output
05:17:15 <snypt> lol true it is a novelty
05:17:18 <snypt> this one does
05:17:22 <Avatar> it was like having a case and nothing else
05:17:32 <Avatar> yeah it works like a computer...that does nothing
05:17:44 <snypt> it seems to have a wall with pistons behind it and it makes words by pushing out some of the blocks
06:24:31 <Avatar> Ballig: if tashes and canine show, we might actually be able to play tomorrow morning
09:16:10 <Avatar-> there's nobody here yet
09:16:31 <Avatar-> there's one other guy
09:17:43 <Avatar-> ok snypt is here too
09:34:54 <Avatar-> mekkis are you about
09:49:13 <Ballig> ha so much for your early start
09:51:04 <Avatar-> should have slept in
09:51:31 <Avatar-> I don't know how anyone find their way around here
09:53:09 <Avatar-> I thought being early would be different, but apparently not
10:19:44 <Avatar-> only just organizing tables
10:19:58 <Avatar-> could have slept another 2 hours
11:15:25 <Brunius> It's an ALU Avatar
11:15:33 <Brunius> Not a computer as we would know it
11:25:08 <Ballig> what's an ALU
11:27:52 <Brunius> Arithmetic Logic Unit
11:27:57 <Brunius> A calculator.
11:36:48 <Ballig> why didn't you just say calculator then
11:40:53 <Brunius> Because it's more fun to confuse Avatar
11:41:37 <Ballig> legitimate reasoning
13:28:03 <Avatar-> fail
13:28:32 <Avatar-> they roped mekkis into dming first steps
14:26:08 <Brunius> Heh
14:26:32 <Brunius> How does he feel about that?
14:26:53 <Brunius> Oh, do you know if there's a Vincent Cao there?
15:02:58 <Brunius> Avatar-, Snypt, Mekkis: http://railgallery.wongm.com/cache/suburban-bits/D147_4777_595.jpg
15:04:20 <Ballig> what about me
15:14:11 <Ballig> ha, will arnett on 30 rock
15:45:50 <Brunius> Are you fed up with Metro?
15:46:45 <Ballig> why would Mekkis, who lives in Brisbane, be fed up with Metro?
15:51:16 <Avatar-> he doesn't know brunius
15:56:50 <Brunius> Because they screwed him around with the trains yesterday
15:58:43 <Ballig> how?
16:00:48 <Avatar-> always happens once
16:01:02 <Avatar-> my gunslinger was pretty damn sweet btw
16:02:22 <Avatar-> making every attack vs touch ac with d12 damage
16:03:02 <Avatar-> I had an ability to fix my gun if it misfired but it never did
16:03:46 <Avatar-> snypt is only a ranger and had the highest ac
16:03:52 <Ballig> the hell
16:03:54 <Ballig> that seems way overpowered
16:04:11 <Ballig> touch ac and d12 damage? what are the cons?
16:39:49 <Brunius> It can blow up in your face
16:44:50 <Ballig> which does what?
16:50:47 <Brunius> I'd assume damages
16:52:56 <Ballig> whether that's a con that balances the damage/ridiculous attack ability would depend on how much damage it does and how often it happens
16:55:23 <Brunius> I think if you roll a 1 or 2
16:55:29 <Brunius> It's in the APG
16:55:44 <Brunius> I'm sure Avatar will explain it when he gets back from Unicon
17:16:42 <Ballig> so there's a 10% chance of it happening
17:52:26 <Ballig> "I SAID, good day!" "No you didn't." "Well I /meant/ to."
18:09:32 <Brunius> You know how I couldn't go to Unicon because my brother had some thing on this weekend?
18:09:38 <Brunius> He's "too sick"
18:09:52 <Brunius> So instead, he's thrown glass bottles around outside.
18:10:08 <Brunius> Now he's raging at my sister because he threw them around
18:10:42 <Ballig> your brother is a wanker
18:11:01 <Brunius> And?
18:11:16 <Ballig> why are you adding expectations to my comments again?
18:12:57 <Brunius> Because I established this fact long ago
18:16:11 <Ballig> when?
18:20:46 <Brunius> 1999\
18:20:53 <Brunius> -\
18:33:17 <Ballig> were you born in 1999
19:30:05 <Brunius> He was
19:31:55 <Ballig> so he's the same age as you
19:39:38 <Brunius> I was born in 1996
19:54:29 <Ballig> practically the same then
19:57:07 <Brunius> Not really
19:57:19 <Brunius> Practically the same is my friend and his brother, 4 minutes apart
19:57:51 <Ballig> they have a special word for that
19:57:58 <Ballig> they call it "twins"
20:03:47 <Avatar-> mekkis isn't making our dm happy with his character's funkiness
20:04:08 <Brunius> lol
20:04:35 <Avatar-> nightmare
20:05:03 <Ballig> I bet that's a completely new experience for Mekkis
20:08:28 <Brunius> hahaha
20:08:57 <Brunius> I should make something from like 17 different sources and then play it under Mekkis
20:21:42 <Brunius> Looks like a spammer
21:14:16 <Brunius> Alright then, practically the same is a different friend and I, 3 hours apart
21:15:31 <Ballig> no, that is the same
21:15:39 <Ballig> practically the same is 3 years difference
22:21:38 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 16th 10am (Avatar) LSK: Sat 22nd Oct 7pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
22:21:38 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Oct 2 16:22:07 2011
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22:22:22 <Mekkis> Avatar, I get it through a boon I got
22:22:31 <Mekkis> it's in Pathfinder Society Field Guide
22:29:57 <Mekkis> and Ballig, the downside to the gunslinger is that d12 damage isn't that much, and doesn't really improve much
22:30:14 <Ballig> so there's no way to add to it?
22:30:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, unlike archer, there is no composite guns
22:30:40 <Ballig> seems like more damage than my cavalier so far :p
22:30:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so far
22:30:55 <Ballig> my cavalier is level 3!
22:31:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, they should have a placeable western stype crank minigun
22:31:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> then more str or even dex would increase the rotation speed
22:31:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thus more damage
22:31:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> style*
22:31:39 <Mekkis> Ballig, you're not two-handing your lance?
22:31:48 <Ballig> nope, shield
22:31:51 <Mekkis> ah
22:32:02 <Ballig> already almost died too much to take the chance
22:32:06 <Mekkis> 1d12 has same average damage as 1d6+3
22:32:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis; 2-handed lance makes vague if any sense
22:32:15 <Ballig> and my cavalier's AC seems to be his only use
22:32:25 <Mekkis> charges?
22:32:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you don't want your target infront of your mount
22:32:48 <Ballig> charge is okay, but can only really be done once
22:32:50 <Ballig> and doesn't do a lot more damage
22:33:50 <Mekkis> turn 1 charge
22:34:00 <Mekkis> turn 2 stab move back
22:34:03 <Mekkis> turn 3 charge?
22:34:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> turn 4 ???
22:34:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> turn 5 profit?
22:34:50 <Ballig> turn 5 profit?
22:34:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ?
22:34:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> :P
22:34:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> XD
22:35:00 <Mekkis> charge another enemy
22:35:01 <Ballig> and things follow me
22:35:05 <Ballig> and try to kill my pony
22:35:06 <Mekkis> you've killed the first one
22:35:17 <Mekkis> you've got Mounted Combat
22:35:32 <Ballig> they still follow me
22:35:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I dunno, be a halfling cav and ride mekkis' eidilon
22:35:39 <Mekkis> also, you should be power attacking on all your attacks
22:35:46 <Ballig> I only got power attack last session
22:35:47 <Ballig> and was using it
22:35:57 <Mekkis> did it help?
22:36:00 <Ballig> a little
22:36:03 <Ballig> it's only +1 damage though
22:36:06 <Mekkis> +2
22:36:20 <Mekkis> power attack's -1/+2
22:36:27 <Mekkis> or -1/+3 for two-handed weapons
22:36:52 <Ballig> not sure if I was using +2
22:36:54 <Ballig> think I was using +1
22:37:03 <Mekkis> (and the -1's counteracted by the +1 you always get while mounted)
22:38:24 <Ballig> my regular damage is 1d6+2, if I two-hand and power attack is it 1d6+6?
22:38:29 <Mekkis> yep
22:38:34 <Mekkis> and if you charge it's 2d6+12
22:38:37 <Ballig> I should probably do that
22:39:05 <Ballig> if I crit on a charge, is it 5d6
22:39:24 <Mekkis> +60
22:39:28 <Mekkis> ummm
22:39:30 <Mekkis> +30
22:39:32 <Ballig> yeah
22:39:35 <Ballig> that's what I thought
22:39:43 <Mekkis> (then you take Spirited Charge)
22:40:07 <Mekkis> to make it 3d6+9 on a charge
22:40:10 <Ballig> that's minimum two feats away
22:40:25 <Mekkis> take fighter levels :)
22:40:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> lance mounted charge crit bonus is x5?
22:40:57 <Mekkis> mounted charge is x2
22:41:00 <Mekkis> crit is x3
22:41:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wouldn't that be x6? or do they add instead of multiply?
22:41:22 <Mekkis> actually
22:41:24 <Mekkis> not sure
22:41:26 <Ballig> you add them
22:41:29 <Mekkis> in 3.5 they add
22:41:31 <Ballig> I thought
22:41:34 <Ballig> yeah in 3.5 they definitely add
22:41:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so it'd be x3-1 + x2-1 = x3+1
22:41:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> =x4
22:41:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> correct?
22:41:54 <Ballig> no
22:42:07 <Ballig> it's x3+2 = x5
22:42:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that doesn't make sense though
22:42:21 <Ballig> you add them together, then multiply
22:42:31 <Ballig> it's 1*(3+2)d6
22:42:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> are you sure its not x4?
22:43:01 <Ballig> it is either x5 or x6. in 3.5 it was definitely x5
22:43:02 <snypt> ok home
22:43:05 <Ballig> pretty sure in pathfinder it's x5 too
22:43:09 <snypt> what a long day
22:43:28 <Ballig> working on the weekend would suck
22:43:31 <Mekkis> Ballig, I think it is, but I can't find it
22:43:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/rules/spiritedChargeStrengthBonusesAndCriticalsAndLances
22:43:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> read that
22:43:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> first thing I've found
22:43:56 <Ballig> page 12
22:44:24 <Ballig> maybe it is x4
22:44:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> x5 is spirited (x3 + x3 = x5)
22:44:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in pathfinder
22:44:48 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2_, there's no link to a source there
22:44:51 <Mekkis> so I don't believe it
22:44:57 <Ballig> it's page 12 of the core rulebook
22:45:24 <Mekkis> yep
22:45:25 <Mekkis> cool
22:45:26 <Mekkis> thanks
22:46:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so even though I'm right, you disregard it
22:46:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> gotcha
22:46:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> XD
22:46:37 <Ballig> who disregarded it?
22:46:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis
22:46:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because of no source
22:46:44 <Mekkis> no
22:46:46 <Ballig> he said thanks
22:46:50 <Ballig> once he got the source
22:46:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> to you for sourcing :P
22:46:55 <Mekkis> I disregarded it because it didn't refer to a source
22:47:05 <Mekkis> there's a lot of misinformation on those forums
22:47:09 <Ballig> I think it was a general thanks
22:47:16 <Mekkis> and I'm not willing to believe it until I see a source
22:47:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know there is quite misinformation
22:47:24 <Mekkis> so no, it was aimed at Ballig
22:47:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and a lot of lack of good help
22:47:53 <Mekkis> like they removed the incombat diplomacy from Pathfinder :)
22:48:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also... when would I want to do a touch attack spell through a weapon?
22:48:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> besides facing an acidic slime?
22:48:46 <Mekkis> when you want to kill the recipient?
22:49:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because trying to hit a harder AC is better just to do a d6-d10 + 2-4 damage?
22:49:38 <Mekkis> say you're 4th level, facing an unarmoured foe.
22:49:43 <Ballig> touch attack is touch attack
22:49:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> touch attack is touch ac
22:49:52 <Mekkis> would you rather do a shocking grasp for 4d6 damage 20/x2
22:49:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> stab in the face is normal AC
22:49:59 <Ballig> right, what do you mean by harder ac
22:50:21 <Ballig> if you had some combat ability
22:50:28 <Mekkis> or a rapier shocking grasp for 1d6+str+4d6 damage 18-20/x2 ?
22:50:30 <Ballig> you'd rather add the weapon damage to your attack
22:50:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe it's just lower level that it seems like it's shit
22:50:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've got +2 to hit
22:50:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> +3 if I arcane pool
22:51:02 <Ballig> for a pure caster, probably
22:51:05 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2_, were you listening?
22:51:13 <Mekkis> you get the weapon's crit range!
22:51:21 <Ballig> ha
22:51:33 <Ballig> that is pretty nice
22:51:38 <Ballig> especially if the weapon's crit range is augmented
22:51:45 <Mekkis> yeah
22:51:54 <Mekkis> rapier with improved crit
22:51:58 <Ballig> spell crits are pretty dramatic
22:52:00 <Mekkis> 15-20 crit range
22:52:23 <Mekkis> intensified shocking grasp at level ten is 1d6+str+10d6 15-20/x2
22:52:33 <Mekkis> (aka A Lot)
22:52:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis; haven't you been listening, my magus is shit as it is
22:52:58 <Mekkis> I know
22:53:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> a shieldmagus (aka skirnir) is shit
22:53:05 <Ballig> he was just telling you why people would do it
22:53:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> SO WANT TO CHANGE TO ANYTHING ELSE
22:53:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know
22:53:14 <Mekkis> and that's why you don't play one
22:53:21 <Mekkis> and you don't whine about it to others
22:53:26 <Mekkis> We Understand
22:53:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> at first level, or even second, you might want o just touch ac (which is why spell combat is two-weapon fighting touch spell and weapon)
22:54:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I don't get spellcombat till level 4
22:54:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so have to ask if I can fuck the achetype off
22:54:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> kensai looks ok, so does bladebound
22:54:40 <Mekkis> I am not that character's DM
22:54:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but skirnir is bad
22:56:59 <Mekkis> you keep saying that
22:57:04 <Mekkis> and I keep failing to care
22:57:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I do
22:57:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea you do XD
22:57:14 <Mekkis> great
22:57:18 <Mekkis> now shut up about it
22:57:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> NEVA
22:58:00 <Ballig> I sure do love the +4 to charge on cavaliers
22:58:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> anywho
22:58:24 <Mekkis> it seems that mounted rangers are better than cavaliers
22:58:36 <Ballig> when they get a roc?
22:58:37 <Ballig> :p
22:58:39 <Mekkis> as far as actual mounted combat is concerned
22:58:40 <Ballig> or is that druid
22:58:44 <Mekkis> that's druid
22:59:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ballig, you should of taken the UC archetype that allows you to get exotic mounts
22:59:36 <Mekkis> ?!
22:59:42 <Ballig> in pathfinder society?
22:59:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yep
22:59:52 <Ballig> I don't even know what UC is
23:00:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ultimate combat
23:00:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the latest major splat book
23:00:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the one with gunslinger
23:00:44 <Ballig> sounds like that was released long after I started this character
23:00:46 <Mekkis> (Mounted Skirmisher at 10th level is brutal)
23:01:13 <Mekkis> I'll do a mounted charge
23:01:21 <Mekkis> oh, and I'll full-attack at the end of it
23:01:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> might be able to add to existing characters
23:01:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not sure
23:01:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mekkis might know though
23:02:38 <Mekkis> (the main issue with cavaliers is that they're based on teamwork feats - and a) they suck, and b) they expect your party members to benefit from them
23:03:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like a bard
23:03:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but with an awsome charge :P
23:04:32 <Mekkis> Ballig, does bobbob wear heavy armour?
23:04:35 <Ballig> I haven't yet used any teamwork abilities
23:04:42 <Mekkis> Exactly!
23:04:54 <Ballig> he's wearing a breastplate
23:04:58 <Mekkis> so no
23:05:02 <Ballig> right
23:05:07 <Mekkis> how can he replace Billy?
23:05:22 <Ballig> by not letting billy die
23:05:24 <Mekkis> ?
23:05:31 <Mekkis> by gaining a level, right?
23:05:38 <Mekkis> or by dismissing him>
23:05:39 <Mekkis> ?
23:05:50 <Ballig> by not letting him die :(
23:06:15 <Mekkis> I don't understand?
23:06:28 <Ballig> I don't want billy to die!
23:06:54 <Mekkis> yep
23:07:02 <Mekkis> you can replace billy as you level
23:07:15 <Ballig> can I have multiple billies
23:07:41 <Mekkis> so, as long as Beast Rider is a PFS-legal archetype, you can take it when you next level, and replace billy then
23:07:46 <Mekkis> not simultaneously
23:08:17 <Mekkis> however, Ballig, I will check with the VCs tomorrow breakfast
23:08:37 <Ballig> are you in tight with the venture captains
23:08:46 <Mekkis> (you cannot, however, get a roc until 7th)
23:09:01 <Mekkis> well, they invite me to have breakfast with them
23:10:05 <Ballig> get some free levels from them
23:10:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hehe
23:10:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe ballig could go in your place, and get some free levels :P
23:10:29 <Mekkis> nope
23:10:34 <Mekkis> can't get free levels
23:10:57 <Ballig> who's going to stop them
23:11:17 <Mekkis> the spirit of the game
23:11:29 <Mekkis> you want levels, you should play/DM more
23:11:35 <Ballig> will the spirit haunt them
23:11:42 <Mekkis> yes
23:12:32 <Mekkis> hehe
23:13:00 <Mekkis> membership in a thieves' guild lets you use sleight of hand to make day job rolls
23:13:20 <Ballig> I keep forgetting to make day job rolls
23:13:29 <Ballig> I got to use craft (weaponsmith) in an actual game last session
23:13:32 <Ballig> but it didn't tell me much
23:14:25 <Mekkis> when I get 250gp from the scenario
23:14:30 <Mekkis> and 100gp from the day job
23:14:32 <Mekkis> it's important
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23:16:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
23:16:26 <Mekkis> Grolschmir should get a squire
23:16:29 <Ballig> I like the look of this cottage but it doesn't have a price o nit
23:16:31 <Ballig> which is annoying
23:16:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well if you can get +21 to a day job roll
23:16:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it counts
23:16:39 <Mekkis> indeed :)
23:17:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but that's a boon you gave yourself for DMing
23:17:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> XD
23:17:53 <Mekkis> anyone can get it
23:19:38 <Mekkis> Caravan (5 PP): You own a controlling share in a caravan that makes regular trips through the Inner Sea region. You aren’t required to maintain a presence in the caravan, and thus do not need to accompany the caravan as it makes its journeys, but you do shoulder some of the responsibility of ownership. For the most part, this means handling things like representing the caravan’s interests to important merchants, politicians,and aristocrats.
23:19:38 <Mekkis> When you first purchase your caravan, you must decide how you wish to represent the caravan’s interests—this decides what additional skill you can use to make Day Job checks. If you wish to represent the caravan as an upstanding citizen and above-the-board merchant, you can use Diplomacy to make Day Job rolls.
23:20:28 <Mekkis> If, on the other hand, you want to skirt the laws, focus on smuggling, and otherwise use deception to maintain the caravan’s success, you can use Bluff to make Day Job rolls.
23:20:28 <Mekkis> Finally, if you want to have your caravan be especially well guarded and use blatant shows of force to get what you need, you can use Intimidate to make Day Job rolls.
23:20:40 <Ballig> you spend 5 prestige points to get it?
23:20:44 <Mekkis> yeah
23:21:04 <Avatar> what a day
23:21:08 <Mekkis> (or a GM boon)
23:21:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sounds
23:21:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I make about 50 bucks
23:21:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> by play wowtcg
23:21:38 <Ballig> ahh
23:21:43 <Ballig> so it's something you can use charisma-based skills for, basically
23:21:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, GM cheats XD
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23:22:06 <Avatar> mekkis' insane diplomacy helped us win that last scenario by quite a lot
23:22:08 <Mekkis> well... pretty much any skill has a vanity available for it
23:22:34 <Avatar> you don't realise how useful diplomacy is until you have someone with a +21 modifier to it
23:22:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> even stealth?
23:22:39 <Mekkis> nope
23:22:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> stealth day job?
23:22:54 <Mekkis> not stealth, perception, sense motive
23:22:55 <Ballig> Lance, mwk +11 2d6+12 x3 5 lb reach S Piercing #riding, charging, 2h, power attack
23:23:05 <Mekkis> yep
23:23:09 <Mekkis> looks good
23:23:14 <Mekkis> got 2000gp yet
23:23:19 <Mekkis> to +1 it?
23:23:23 <Ballig> don't think so
23:23:26 <Mekkis> pity
23:23:29 <Ballig> I know I'm missing a few chronicle sheets
23:23:39 <Ballig> but I don't think I'd be 2k
23:24:21 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/people/Bobbob1/sessions
23:24:35 <Mekkis> tell me what you're missing
23:24:51 <Mekkis> I know what you need!
23:24:55 <Mekkis> you need to UPTIER!
23:26:20 <Ballig> I have: #35 (voice in the void), #47 (darkest vengeance), #45 (delerium's tangle), #30 (devil we know 2)
23:26:35 <Ballig> one of the sheets I'm missing is one I have to write myself
23:26:51 <Ballig> so I'm missing #33 and #43
23:27:33 <Mekkis> ok
23:28:19 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/33Ballig.pdf
23:29:06 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/43Ballig.pdf
23:29:10 <Ballig> oh hey I have 33
23:29:23 <Ballig> I just hadn't renamed it
23:29:40 <Ballig> but 43 I needed, thanks
23:29:47 <Mekkis> no problem
23:30:03 <Mekkis> that was recent, wasn't it
23:30:19 <Ballig> yeah, that was the last one we did
23:30:27 <Ballig> man, if you didn't prevent the palepox from spreading they actively hated you?
23:30:27 <Ballig> what jerks
23:30:31 <Mekkis> yep
23:30:37 <Mekkis> you should have failed
23:30:39 <Mekkis> I was soft :(
23:30:58 <Mekkis> I'll do what Myra suggested in the future
23:31:08 <Mekkis> kill you at third level
23:31:11 <Ballig> how are you technically meant to do it
23:31:31 <Mekkis> basically, Laurel starts with a -20 on her check
23:31:45 <Ballig> why
23:31:49 <Ballig> does she suck
23:31:59 <Mekkis> because of the unfamiliarity of the disease
23:32:14 <Mekkis> every time you successfully aid her, she gets a permanent +2 on the check
23:32:18 <Ballig> didn't one of us know what it was
23:32:23 <Ballig> because of a great knowledge check
23:32:46 <Mekkis> you can use any skill or ability to try and aid her, if you come up with a good explanation
23:33:28 <Mekkis> but you can use each skill only once
23:33:31 <Mekkis> and the DC is 18
23:33:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wtf?
23:34:00 <Ballig> yeah that's a bit of a stupid scenario
23:34:19 <Ballig> you have to successfully use 10+ unique skills to have a chance
23:34:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> deceased?
23:34:24 <Mekkis> (but it scales with tier - at tier 6-7, it normally fails)
23:34:28 <Mekkis> yes
23:34:37 <Mekkis> but every party member can attempt that
23:34:47 <Mekkis> hey, you don't often get to roll linguistics
23:35:18 <Ballig> which is why most characters won't have it :p
23:35:20 <Avatar> nightmare
23:35:26 <Mekkis> it gives you languages!
23:35:55 <Avatar> which appears to be very possible with any synthesised summoner who is diligent about focusing on diplomacy
23:38:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I want to see someone intimidating the disease
23:38:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or bluffing it, making it think you're a cure
23:39:12 <Ballig> well
23:39:14 <Ballig> we did use those skills
23:39:20 <Ballig> to convince other people to help
23:39:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
23:39:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do these rolls have any negative effect if failed?
23:40:07 <Avatar> trait, ranks, class bonus, charisma
23:40:31 <Ballig> the negative effect is that an hour goes by without getting any closer to the cure
23:40:42 <Ballig> and if enough hours go by, you fail that part of the scenario
23:41:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ouch
23:41:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just be imaginitive
23:41:22 <Ballig> we were
23:41:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and use any skill you've got +8 or more in
23:41:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> UMD?
23:41:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> DD?
23:41:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> perception?
23:41:44 <Ballig> bobbob has +8 in a single skill
23:41:44 <Ballig> climb
23:42:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
23:42:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sucks to be you
23:43:08 <Ballig> *shrug* cavaliers don't get a lot of skill points
23:43:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 2+ or 4+?
23:43:28 <Ballig> 2+int I think
23:43:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> guessing int 10/12
23:43:40 <Ballig> maybe not, that seems a little low
23:43:41 <Ballig> 12 int
23:43:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
23:44:01 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I love how cleric only gets 2+
23:44:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but you'd think heal/kn(religion)/spellcasting at the least would be known
23:45:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
23:45:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but anyone can get a fucktone on one stat if they want
23:46:14 <Ballig> I need to write a chronicle sheet for myself
23:46:17 <Ballig> how irritating
23:48:01 <Avatar> his eidolon gives him +8 to diplomacy
23:48:07 <Avatar> on top of all of that
23:48:25 <Avatar> somehow he uses diplomacy for his profession day-job roll, but I don't know how he gets that
23:57:48 <Mekkis> Ballig, I usually wait until a con, before I do that :)
23:58:03 <Ballig> I need to be able to audit my character
23:58:11 <Ballig> do I get the gold from the session I DM as well?
23:58:18 <Mekkis> (either a con, or a game in which I get to play in...)
23:58:19 <Mekkis> yes
23:58:28 <Mekkis> you don't get a dayjob roll
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