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// #d&d — 2011-10-11

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00:00:13 <Mekkis> that's when you stand up and walk out
00:18:18 <Mekkis> invisible wall... now that's lazy
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00:21:27 <Mekkis> http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/#section20
00:21:42 <Mekkis> EA is above the US constitution
00:22:45 <Mekkis> "By accepting these terms, you and EA expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action"
00:22:49 <Mekkis> "In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."
00:26:29 <Tashes> Yup. Makes you ownder why we don't pay more attention to tos
00:36:14 <canine> Fortunately a TOS is no longer considered legally binding
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08:04:51 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 16th 10am (Avatar) LSK: Sat 22nd Oct 7pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
08:04:51 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Oct 2 16:22:07 2011
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09:14:23 <Avatar-> :o)
09:14:58 <Avatar-> going to the con both days last weekend is killing me this week
09:15:19 <Avatar-> but I needed the expppppppp
09:22:19 <canine> *grants exp*
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09:56:32 <Zerib> hello
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09:57:25 <canine> heyhey
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11:03:33 <Avatar-> mekkis
11:04:23 <Avatar-> after lsk finishes, I'm planning for maybe one extra session after that as an epilogue
11:04:46 <Avatar-> 3 sessions to go is probably a bit pessimistic
11:05:06 <Avatar-> we're looking at 2, possibly one more session really
11:05:22 <Avatar-> +1 if we have the people for the epilogue
11:57:33 <Mekkis> I have no problem with that
11:57:51 <Mekkis> would be good to find out what happened to Mrivan
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12:30:41 <Mekkis> hmmm
12:30:54 <Mekkis> cleric 3 / sorcerer 4 / mystic theurge 2
12:31:03 <Mekkis> 24 XP
12:31:04 <Mekkis> hmmm
12:31:25 <Mekkis> no idea where I'd pull that out of
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12:32:53 <Brunius_school> Sup yo
12:32:56 <Mekkis> moim
12:33:16 <Mekkis> trying to find a nice character concept for Kormiggahn Ross
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12:44:39 <Mekkis> possibly witch 3/druid 3/mystic theurge 2
12:44:53 <Mekkis> (throwing 21 GM XP at it)
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14:31:34 <Avatar-> mekkis
14:31:38 <Mekkis> ja
14:31:48 <Avatar-> when is your next pfs game
14:31:56 <Mekkis> day after tomorrow :)
14:32:04 <Avatar-> in here
14:32:27 <Mekkis> weekend of the 22nd, depending on who's araound
14:32:34 <Mekkis> and what else people are doing
14:34:05 <Avatar-> ok cool
14:34:32 <Zerib> Hello
14:34:36 <Avatar-> pick a timeslot you prefer and we'll start there
14:34:41 <Avatar-> zerib
14:35:00 <Avatar-> got a char yet?
14:35:08 <Zerib> almost
14:35:23 <Avatar-> what's the name
14:36:26 <Zerib> need to do the finishing touches, making a sorcerer and and a druid
14:36:35 <Zerib> have not decided which yet
14:37:15 <Avatar-> pick one now
14:37:31 <Avatar-> or two, if you have two characters
14:37:33 <Mekkis> Avatar-, as I understand, you've got LSK saturday night, and need to finish citadel of flame?
14:37:42 <Avatar-> correct
14:37:52 <Avatar-> citadel should be done this saturday
14:38:39 <Mekkis> so if I DMed something on Sunday, it's be fine with all?
14:38:46 <Avatar-> for sure
14:38:59 <Mekkis> any requests?
14:39:21 <Avatar-> well
14:39:40 <Avatar-> you said you wanted to do first steps didn't you
14:39:59 <Mekkis> I want to DM Murder on the Throaty Mermaid, but I feel that you are unwilling to roleplay enough to make it worthwhile
14:40:34 <Avatar-> I can't commit to high roleplay, no
14:42:45 <Avatar-> if you want me to leave first steps 1 for you, let me know
14:43:02 <Mekkis> was considering two and three
14:43:09 <Mekkis> I've DMed 1 three times
14:43:15 <Avatar-> I'm keen to get mellon on part 2 or 3 before he levels
14:43:41 <Avatar-> must be level 1 for all parts, yeah?
14:43:47 <Mekkis> yeah
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14:45:48 <Avatar-> I'm likely going to focus on buck for a while
14:46:12 <Avatar-> but I want mellon to do first steps 2 or 3
14:46:30 <Mekkis> I want to get more characters up to third level
14:46:32 <Mekkis> to be honest
14:47:04 <Mekkis> your characters will die if they don't start playing higher tier adventures
14:48:00 <Avatar-> they'll die if they do :p
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14:49:34 <Mekkis> they shouldn't
14:49:46 <Mekkis> as I keep saying, you overanalyse things
14:49:56 <Mekkis> and the things that kill you are the ones you can't overanalyse
14:50:41 <Mekkis> I felt that the way you were playing, if it weren't for Jerod (and in the other scenarios, myself), you'd spend ages making up myriad plans and not getting anywhere
14:52:00 <Avatar-> I was happy to let him take lead when he was talking about doing stuff
14:52:16 <Mekkis> yeah
14:52:21 <Mekkis> but when you're playing without him
14:52:25 <Mekkis> noone takes any sort of lead
14:52:28 <Avatar-> did we start making any myriad plans
14:52:48 <Avatar-> don't think that's true
14:52:55 <Avatar-> someone always does
14:53:09 <Mekkis> Devil We Know II
15:04:31 <Mekkis> that was the time I got pissed off about you faffing about doing nothing
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15:14:55 <Avatar-> which one was that
15:17:17 <Mekkis> around april this year
15:17:24 <Mekkis> in the sewers of cassomir
15:17:34 <Mekkis> working with the Aespis Consortium
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15:18:17 <Mekkis> you had managed to sneak up on a pair of guards, and decided just to faff about, and come up with a plan for dealing with them
15:19:01 <Mekkis> unfortunately, I accidentally lost my logs from that period, but I eventually got pissed off when Kaleb decided to throw a stone, and wanted them to see you and attack
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15:21:37 <Avatar-> give me an example that wasn't years ago, please
15:21:48 <Avatar-> if this is a regular thing
15:24:07 <Mekkis> wasn't years ago
15:24:20 <Mekkis> it was in april
15:26:09 <Avatar-> that is years ago man
15:28:28 <Mekkis> what did I dm here last?
15:29:47 <Mekkis> oh yeah
15:29:51 <Mekkis> pallid plague
15:30:00 <Mekkis> when you spent ages looking at the final encounter
15:30:12 <Mekkis> trying to work out whether to charge in... or to charge in
15:31:57 <Zerib> Ok names are Talos and Salren
15:45:19 <Zerib> hello?
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16:03:52 <Avatar-> hello?
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16:27:33 <Mekkis> nnn
16:29:38 <Ballig> ooo
16:31:59 <Mekkis> Ballig, bobbob's now level 3, right?
16:32:08 <Ballig> right
16:32:27 <Mekkis> Buck's level 2, Cairo's level 4
16:32:46 <Mekkis> Kaleb's level 2
16:32:50 <Mekkis> hmmm
16:33:26 <Mekkis> and Telum's level 2
16:35:59 <Mekkis> who was playing in Citadel of Flame?
16:36:15 <Mekkis> was/is
16:39:19 <Ballig> mort and jevouse had expressed an interest
16:39:37 <Ballig> but mort disappeared and I told jevouse he couldn't be in it because he was continually being an entitled dick about people DMing games when he refused to
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16:40:05 <Ballig> sup Zerib
16:44:41 <Zerib> hey
16:45:59 <Mekkis> Ballig, I'd like you to be kinder to Jevouse...
16:46:23 <Zerib> Did you get my character names?
16:46:44 <Mekkis> he's far less a dick than spaceshot is, and when he does play, he plays well
16:46:45 <Avatar-> stupid fucking plumber locked me out
16:46:47 <Ballig> probably not
16:46:56 <Ballig> Avatar-: lollllllll
16:47:13 <Mekkis> please take that on board, Ballig
16:47:41 <Ballig> he was being an entitled dick, I won't DM for anyone who is like that
16:47:55 <Avatar-> who pays for the locksmith
16:48:07 <Ballig> why don't you have a key
16:48:22 <Avatar-> there are two locks on the door
16:48:25 <Mekkis> Ballig, I don't care if you won't DM for him. I am willing to DM for him.
16:48:28 <Avatar-> I have one key
16:48:41 <Ballig> Mekkis: then why are you berating me for telling him he couldn't play in my campaign?
16:48:57 <Mekkis> where did your campaign come into this?
16:49:19 <Ballig> looks like I misread the campaign you were talking about
16:49:30 <Ballig> but that's where it came in
16:49:42 <Mekkis> sorry about that. I didn't intend to berate you.
16:50:08 <Mekkis> I was trying to ascertain whether it'd be possible to start running higher-tier scenarios in here
16:50:27 <Mekkis> hence looking at the character levels
16:50:31 <Ballig> I know I was in one uptiered session
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16:51:32 <Ballig> Avatar-: do you have your real estate's number?
16:52:04 <Avatar-> yeah
16:52:08 <Mekkis> what we should do is get someone to DM Cairo, Grolschmir (or deceased), Bobbob, Kaleb and Telum in a 3-4 or 4-5 tier game
16:52:20 <Ballig> Avatar-: call them, they might have an "after hours" number
16:53:41 <Mekkis> that reminds me, Avatar: I'd suggest to any new PFS players to choose a faction from the original five
16:54:42 <Avatar-> I've already organized a locksmith
16:54:52 <Ballig> shouldn't you call your real estate first
16:55:00 <Ballig> locksmith seems overkill if your real estate/landlord are contacable
16:55:02 <Ballig> +t
16:55:09 <Avatar-> mekkis: why
16:55:37 <Avatar-> they don't have the second key either
16:55:44 <Mekkis> because a lot of scenarios that will be run here will be season 0-2, meaning that there won't be faction missions for the new factions
16:56:20 <Mekkis> unless you want your character who's sworn to respect the grand lodge to be doing stuff assigned by Amenopheus for the glory of Osirion
16:56:47 <Ballig> Mekkis: so can I get one of those mule straps for my pony
16:58:27 <Avatar-> real estate has a recorded message, property manager has voicemail
16:58:47 <Avatar-> mekkis: new factions use old faction missions
16:59:37 <Ballig> yeah he means from a roleplay point of view
17:01:27 <Avatar-> I don't think it's worth invalidating the new factions for it
17:02:24 <Avatar-> you need those factions for some traits
17:04:24 <Mekkis> Ballig, if you have a copy of the APG
17:04:29 <Ballig> I do
17:04:31 <Mekkis> with your watermark, or in paper
17:04:32 <Mekkis> :)
17:04:44 <Ballig> I have a PDF watermarked copy
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17:04:51 <Mekkis> good enough
17:04:56 <Ballig> did I miss something
17:04:57 <Mekkis> it's not like I can really enforce that
17:05:04 <Ballig> oh, you are talking about the mulecord
17:05:09 <Ballig> you actually CAN get it for a pony?
17:05:11 <Mekkis> yeah
17:05:21 <Zerib> Hey Avatar did you get my character names?
17:05:27 <Avatar_> yeah, added
17:05:33 <Avatar_> upload your sheets
17:07:48 <Avatar_> and link them here once you've done that so we can get a look
17:07:53 <Mekkis> that's right, Ballig
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17:08:33 <Ballig> are there rules for that kind of thing?
17:08:39 <Ballig> like, equipment for mounts
17:08:54 <Avatar_> I couldn't find pricing for saddlebags
17:09:02 <Avatar_> for my new mount
17:10:14 <Mekkis> Ballig, it comes under any other sort of equipment
17:10:25 <Mekkis> Avatar_, it's in the equipment section
17:11:21 <Avatar_> didn't look hard enough then
17:12:04 <Ballig> its' under "mounts and related gear"
17:12:46 <Avatar_> I kind of speedily bought my mount after the first game at the con
17:13:22 <Ballig> haha
17:13:25 <Ballig> after you saw people using them?
17:16:42 <Mekkis> Avatar loves mounts, after I showed how effective they are
17:17:05 <Ballig> maybe flying mounts !
17:17:28 <Avatar_> I have a gunslinger
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17:17:42 <Brunius> Sup gaiz
17:18:12 <Avatar_> the idea was I could move with the mount, shoot and reload on my own
17:18:40 <Avatar_> that idea got blown out of the water didn't it
17:19:08 <Ballig> did it
17:19:08 <Ballig> how
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17:19:32 <Avatar_> rapid reload with a musket is a standard action, not a move our free action
17:19:35 <Avatar_> or
17:20:04 <Ballig> ha
17:20:15 <Ballig> sounds like you need a one-hander
17:20:56 <Avatar_> screwed for that now
17:21:21 <Avatar_> need to deal with it
17:24:36 <Ballig> who's going to know if you change it
17:25:26 <Avatar_> well this isn't like the scorpion style change
17:25:47 <Ballig> who's going to know
17:25:53 <Avatar_> it doesn't hurt my character that much
17:26:37 <Ballig> yeah but who's going to know
17:26:47 <Avatar_> I'm going to know
17:27:03 <Avatar_> smartass
17:27:05 <Ballig> they can audit your character from the chronicle sheets, but they can only audit it back to a PFS-legal character
17:27:12 <Ballig> you could change a feat every time you use the character and no one would know
17:27:28 <Avatar_> nah it's not cool
17:27:32 <Avatar_> I'll play it out
17:27:33 <Ballig> but it's true
17:27:40 <Avatar_> probably
17:27:51 <Ballig> you could even change classes, I would think
17:27:51 <Avatar_> honour system
17:31:06 <Avatar_> I need to learn how to pick locks
17:31:30 <Brunius> IRL or in-game?
17:31:52 <Avatar_> in person
17:33:34 <Ballig> use a musket
17:33:36 <Ballig> same way you would heal a wound
17:33:41 <Avatar_> haha
17:33:52 <Avatar_> in the absence of bandages
17:34:19 <Avatar_> or, um, nothing
17:36:26 <Avatar_> I've never thought about that, you can use the heal skill to stabilize with nothing
17:37:08 <Avatar_> standard action, in 4 seconds
17:37:19 <Brunius> Yeah man.
17:37:24 <Brunius> It's pretty cool aye/
17:37:26 <Brunius> ?
17:37:41 <Avatar_> wonder how we get away with that
17:37:59 <Avatar_> getting my door drilled now
17:38:04 <Brunius> Lol
17:38:14 <Brunius> What did you do?
17:38:23 <Avatar_> plumber locked me out
17:38:26 <Brunius> gg
17:38:32 <Ballig> ha
17:38:35 <Ballig> drilled
17:38:42 <Avatar_> got to meet a hot neighbor though
17:38:47 <Avatar_> can't complain
17:38:54 <Ballig> single?
17:39:00 <Brunius> Man
17:39:06 <Brunius> Is that all you guys talk about?
17:39:24 <Ballig> yes, after talking about pathfinder and locksmiths for the 20 minutes you've been in here we mention a hot girl once
17:39:27 <Ballig> and that is clearly all we talk about
17:39:48 <Brunius> Is that all, other than D&D, that you guys talk about?
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17:40:50 <Brunius> Screw it, consider that comment stupid/retracted
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17:52:40 <Avatar> I don't know if she's single, I only just met her
17:52:45 <Avatar> I'm a bit classier than that
17:52:49 <Avatar> usually
17:57:36 <Ballig> ha
18:16:37 <Avatar> hm
18:16:53 <Avatar> musket master archetype allows me to reload as a move action by 3rd level
18:21:08 <Ballig> that sounds pretty good
18:26:15 <Avatar> I lose utility shot though
18:26:20 <Avatar> that thing that lets me heal with my gun
18:26:37 <Avatar> and open locks with my gun
18:33:31 <Ballig> I'm assuming "opening locks with [your] gun" is just destroying the lock
18:33:35 <Ballig> you can probably destroy it with other things
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18:40:51 <Ballig> k9
18:42:14 <canine> whats up
18:51:12 <Avatar> bit late for you isn't it
18:53:44 <Ballig> a bit late for your face
18:55:42 <Avatar> a bit late for your dad
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18:56:06 <Avatar> tashes: transcribe your char to a proper char sheet
18:56:18 <Tashes> from where?
18:56:24 <Tashes> would one find said sheet?
18:56:27 <Avatar> sec
18:56:35 <Avatar> do you have the pregen
18:57:08 <Avatar> http://dnd.ballig.net/files.php5 < get the character sheet template (pathfinder society)
18:57:18 <Avatar> I've added Princess, so you can upload it
20:05:47 <Avatar> feat suggestions
20:06:08 <canine> nah, I wake up at 4:30 local
20:06:22 <canine> work, then come home for an hourish right now, then go back to work.
20:06:34 <Avatar> how do you do it
20:06:40 <Tashes> i'm way too derpy to math. So you're getting it with what the sheet says, rather than breakdowns.
20:07:01 <Avatar> what do you mean you're too derpy to math
20:07:26 <Tashes> i'm hella sick. don't tell me to brains stuff
20:07:43 <canine> no idea.
20:07:58 <canine> Maybe my misanthropy sustains me.
20:08:11 <Tashes> Canine lives on the blood of children
20:08:43 <canine> nothing gives that kick in the morning quite like it.
20:09:05 <Avatar> do it when you're less sick then
20:09:13 <Avatar> just as long as it's before saturday
20:09:24 <Tashes> been like this for two weeks
20:09:34 <canine> afk a min
20:09:37 <Avatar> you'll get better any second now
20:20:17 <Avatar> oh wow
20:20:30 <Avatar> escape route: you do not provoke attacks of opportunity while moving through squares adjacent to allies
20:21:43 <canine> and I return.
20:22:05 <Avatar> some similarly top notch feats in ultimate combat
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20:35:07 <canine> Nic is a better name,
20:35:21 <Avatar> I prefer knifebunny
20:35:49 <Avatar> point blank shot looks good
20:40:14 <canine> I took point blank shot on my inquis iirc
20:42:00 <Avatar> is it worth burning a skill point into heal just because it's a class skill?
20:42:17 <Avatar> it's my last class skill and I still have points remaining
20:42:28 <Avatar> and I already have +3 in it from wisdom
20:42:45 <canine> I'd toss it into an xclass, personally
20:42:55 <canine> heal is nice but I've never seen it come into play very often
20:43:07 <canine> maybe it does in pathfinder though, I've only tried it in dnd
20:43:10 <canine> regular dnd
20:43:53 <Avatar> yeah, I think I agree
20:44:53 <Avatar> this is quite tough
20:45:05 <Avatar> I think this is the first time I've had to put points into skills without that +3 bonus
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20:50:11 <Sachiru> Guys, a query: Is there any way for a melee character, besides casting a dispel, to be able to lock in a grapple someone affected by Freedom of Movement?
20:50:26 <Avatar> nope
20:50:38 <Avatar> freedom of movement is pretty absolute
20:52:01 <Sachiru> Crap.
20:52:14 <Sachiru> So grapples and trips become useless at higher levels?
20:52:24 <Sachiru> Against a well-prepared caster, I mean.
20:52:59 <Avatar> well-prepared is a bit subjective
20:53:07 <canine> any attack becomes useless against a caster properly prepared to counter that attack
20:53:14 <Avatar> yeah really
20:53:26 <Avatar> what are you trying to do sachiru
20:53:45 <Sachiru> Well-prepared = Casting the most common defensive buffs, i.e., Freedom of Movement, Mage Armor etc at the beginning of the day.
20:54:04 <Sachiru> I'm trying to check if making a grapple or trip-based character is still useful at around levels 15ish.
20:54:19 <Avatar> why, what's going on
20:54:32 <canine> freedom of movement doesn't last all day
20:55:00 <Sachiru> Level 13 campaign, RL.
20:55:30 <Avatar> yeah the level 15 guys aren't necessarily always going to have freedom of movement ready
20:59:12 <Sachiru> Still, once they have FoM up, I'd be screwed.
20:59:38 <canine> brb
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21:31:44 <Avatar> updated like a biatch: http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=308
21:38:10 <Avatar> holy shit, it only costs 300gp to upgrade my battered firearm to a masterwork firearm
21:38:13 <Avatar> yes, please
21:39:58 <canine> making a gunslinger?
21:40:11 <Avatar> I've got a level 2 gunslinger
21:40:24 <Avatar> behind that link I just pasted
21:40:29 <canine> how is he working out?
21:40:37 <canine> I thought about gunslinger before I decided on inquisitor
21:41:32 <Avatar> so far so good, but that was before anyone realised rapid reload doesn't reload as a free action
21:41:57 <Avatar> musket master archetype though, so that won't give me problems for long
21:42:07 <Avatar> at 3rd level it becomes a move action instead of a standard action to reload
21:42:39 <Avatar> shooting things vs touch AC is v.sexy
21:43:23 <canine> gotta run, times running a little late
21:43:25 <canine> cya later
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21:43:37 <snypt> hmm much have dc'd
21:43:42 <snypt> ust*
21:44:25 <Avatar> what?
21:44:51 <snypt> my name was set to litis so i much have dosconnected at some stage today
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21:45:10 <snypt> and my fingers do not seem to want to work so i cant type for shit
21:45:58 <Avatar> Mekkis: are you about
21:46:45 <Avatar> `op
21:46:45 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
21:47:19 <Avatar> there was a list of languages he gave us ages ago that were specific to PFS
21:47:29 <Avatar> I can't find any of them and I just put a rank into linguistics
21:47:35 <Avatar> they don't seem to be in the PFS guide
21:48:32 <Avatar> +7 to attack now if they're within 30ft
21:48:37 <Avatar> vs touch AC
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21:49:49 <Avatar> sachiru are you there
21:49:57 <Avatar> you might know
23:21:34 <Mekkis> Inner Sea World Guide
23:21:38 <Mekkis> page Idunno