// #d&d — 2011-10-09
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00:01:19 <Ballig> apparently I have 2947.4 gold
00:01:42 <Mekkis> well
00:01:44 <Mekkis> +1 the lance
00:01:47 <Mekkis> it's worth it
00:01:52 <Ballig> yeah I bet
00:01:57 <Mekkis> ...
00:01:59 <Mekkis> unless...
00:02:07 <Ballig> unless...
00:02:11 <Mekkis> you want a lance of an exotic material
00:02:22 <Ballig> like what
00:02:30 <Mekkis> adamantine
00:02:37 <Mekkis> silver?
00:02:58 <Ballig> are they worth having as your primary weapon
00:03:06 <Mekkis> adamantine, yes
00:03:09 <Mekkis> silver, no
00:03:24 <Mekkis> cold iron, probably not
00:04:45 <Ballig> I don't really want to spend 3k gold just to get adamantine
00:05:52 <Mekkis> it's a choice you really get to make about once
00:06:08 <Mekkis> actually, twice
00:06:34 <Ballig> costs more than magicking it and with only the attack bonus instead of the damage, the obvious up side being to bypass DR of constructs
00:06:35 <Mekkis> when you first get your first +1, and when you are considering whether to give it +2
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00:08:42 <Ballig> actually, you can't even count the +1. pretty sure that's just the mw bonus
00:09:24 <Mekkis> yep
00:09:36 <Mekkis> as I said
00:09:47 <Mekkis> you get two times that you can make the choice
00:09:59 <Ballig> why is it a choice at +2
00:10:19 <Mekkis> throwing 2000gp at a weapon isn't that bad
00:10:25 <Mekkis> your total loss is 1000gp
00:10:37 <Mekkis> throwing another 6000 is a much bigger blow
00:10:40 <Ballig> well, I mean, if you already have a +1
00:10:49 <Ballig> you can't turn it into adamantine
00:10:55 <Mekkis> correct
00:10:55 <Ballig> so you have to ditch that (losing the 2k you spent on it) and start again
00:11:01 <Mekkis> yeah
00:11:08 <Mekkis> (where ditch = sell)
00:11:17 <Mekkis> it's still worth it
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00:11:21 <Mekkis> in some cases
00:11:34 <Mekkis> (more often with armour than with weapons, granted)
00:12:02 <Mekkis> but tossing away a 8000gp weapon is much harder on you
00:12:07 <Ballig> yeah
00:12:32 <Ballig> are constructs that common?
00:12:44 <Mekkis> not particularly
00:13:03 <Mekkis> they're also good at destroying doors, locks, walls, windows, floors, ceilings....
00:13:32 <Ballig> haha
00:13:46 <Ballig> I'm not sure I want to spend my entire life savings to destroy doors
00:17:40 <Mekkis> what else will you spend it on
00:17:52 <Ballig> making it +1
00:18:07 <Mekkis> heh true
00:18:17 <Mekkis> but damaging constructs is really annoying
00:18:22 <Ballig> I know :p
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04:34:59 <snypt> morning
06:40:42 <Avatar> yo
06:40:47 <Mekkis> moin
06:40:53 <Avatar> I'm not making the mistake of waking up super early again
11:05:35 <Ballig> I think it'll be worthwhile taking fighter levels
11:05:57 <Ballig> cavaliers don't get a lot that's decent after 3rd level, except maybe mount levelling
12:57:15 <Mort> anyone home..?
12:57:17 <canine> mhm
12:57:35 <canine> whats up
12:57:48 <Mort> any campaigns going on this week?
12:57:59 <Mort> just curious and if I want to bring friends along hwen is it, whats required to start up etc
12:59:18 <canine> Was supposed to be a game tonight, not sure whats happening with that though
12:59:37 <canine> Have you played pathfinder society games before?
13:00:08 <Mort> I created
13:00:13 <Mort> but all the time I was hanging around we never got started
13:00:15 <Mort> and yes Im new
13:00:22 <canine> thats what is played in here
13:00:22 <Mort> thats the problem. I know some friends, but we're all like green
13:00:27 <Mort> we dont mind :P
13:00:28 <canine> I'm new to it myself.
13:00:38 <Mort> I think I need to talk with an admin or something
13:00:57 <canine> that'd be Mekkis, Avatar, or Ballig
13:01:05 <Ballig> sup
13:01:17 <Ballig> actually it's Avatar and Ballig
13:01:20 <Mort> k when is the next dnd session and what is required if I know friends and want
13:01:23 <Mort> to bring them along
13:01:24 <canine> not mekkis?
13:01:25 <Mort> how many h from now
13:01:26 <canine> hm
13:01:27 <Ballig> nein
13:01:43 <Ballig> Mort: what time is it where you are now?
13:02:01 <Mort> its 9.04 am
13:02:09 <Mort> we would liek at least a week to get characters set up ina row I think
13:02:15 <Mort> dont want to set up on the day itself, and swear about screwin up
13:02:28 <Ballig> yeah
13:02:32 <Ballig> we usually play on the weekends
13:02:44 <Mort> I cannot play on weekdays
13:02:44 <Ballig> sometime between 10am (7am your time) and 7pm (4pm your time)
13:02:50 <Mort> 7 am?
13:02:52 <Mort> OMFG..
13:03:02 <Ballig> ha
13:03:05 <Mort> can new sessions be arraaged
13:03:10 <Mort> assuming that I can get 4 people with me?
13:03:23 <Mort> so basically 7 am was just over?
13:03:36 <Ballig> we aren't playing this weekend because half our players are at a pathfinder convention
13:03:45 <Ballig> and yeah, you can always start your own sessions if you have the interested people
13:03:50 <Mort> you will host?
13:04:02 <Ballig> yep
13:04:17 <Mort> how long does a typical dnd session last
13:04:40 <Ballig> 3 or 4 hours
13:04:56 <Mort> so actually if I get enough people you can do a session from now till 3-4 h from now?
13:04:59 <Mort> interesting?
13:05:03 <Mort> whats enough peeps btw
13:05:12 <canine> 3-4 people players plus DM
13:05:21 <Ballig> yeah
13:05:40 <Mort> k so what is required to set up
13:05:59 <Ballig> do you have anyone who has experience?
13:06:16 <Mort> problem is
13:06:17 <Mort> we're all green
13:06:22 <Mort> I knew this place only through jev
13:06:30 <Mort> so yeah a bunch of eager puppies..that have no idea where we put our tails
13:06:31 <Ballig> ahh that's right, knew you were familiar
13:06:33 <Mort> :P
13:06:38 <canine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/home for the rules/character creation, and the pathfinder society guide at paizo.com, I don't have the link to that one on me
13:06:47 <Ballig> pathfinder society is the easiest way to get into games
13:06:49 <Mort> http://dnd.ballig.net
13:06:56 <Mort> https://secure.paizo.com/account
13:07:03 <Mort> problem is I spent a week creating my character
13:07:08 <Mort> and still dont know if the template is correct
13:07:16 <Ballig> you can even use pre-generated characters
13:07:21 <Mort> YES PLEASE
13:07:24 <Mort> show me a template? :D
13:07:25 <Ballig> ha
13:07:31 <Mort> since we're really new..we dont want to fk up further
13:07:32 <Ballig> I'll find, one sec
13:07:34 <Mort> :D
13:07:40 <Mort> where to upload
13:07:41 <Mort> usernames
13:08:08 <Ballig> we can create accounts for you
13:08:53 <Ballig> I can't seem to get onto the paizo website
13:09:09 <Mort> well I havnet used it for ages..
13:10:22 <Ballig> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=paizo+pathfinder+society+pre-generated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
13:10:24 <Ballig> it's that top link
13:10:27 <Ballig> I can't connect to it
13:10:43 <Mort> k so where do we set up our characters
13:10:50 <Mort> and let you inspect if we pass muster?
13:11:06 <Ballig> NotMort was your account on the website right?
13:11:15 <Mort> I think so
13:11:17 <Mort> since Mort was taken
13:11:17 <Ballig> with your two characters named Mort :p
13:11:18 <Mort> been ages
13:11:20 <Mort> yeah
13:11:21 <Mort> lol :P
13:11:23 <Mort> I ish a mort
13:11:31 <Mort> do they pass muster or not :P
13:11:32 <Ballig> need me to reset the account password
13:11:35 <Ballig> ?
13:11:38 <Mort> and where do we post it
13:11:42 <Mort> urhgh..
13:11:50 <Mort> okay I guess u could
13:11:53 <Mort> I forgot my old pass
13:11:57 <Ballig> okay
13:12:26 <Mort> then where do we submit our characters to - what do we need to DL, if any
13:12:31 <Ballig> new password is: rUApAXiM3U
13:12:33 <Mort> cos I am the only one who has created
13:12:34 <Ballig> make sure you change it when you sign in
13:12:38 <Mort> where is the site agtain
13:12:43 <Ballig> http://dnd.ballig.net/
13:12:53 <Ballig> just give us character names and what campaign it's for, and we can add the characters
13:14:27 <Mort> put for pathfinder then
13:14:42 <Mort> character template?
14:24:07 <Avatar-> ding
14:24:28 <Avatar-> I have a choice of leveling either mellon or buck
14:26:23 <Ballig> what's buck
14:26:25 <Ballig> and why do you have a choice
14:30:17 <Avatar-> gunslinger
14:30:40 <Avatar-> because the scenario we just played, we use pregen goblins
14:30:58 <Avatar-> but the credit goes to any character
14:31:35 <Avatar-> we have 2 wizards already here and might be playing a 4th game, so it's probably going on buck
14:44:16 <Mort> ah hi
14:44:16 <Mort> :D
14:44:20 <Mort> Talk to Ballig
14:44:27 <Ballig> ha, Nodwik
14:44:32 <Mort> :P
14:44:37 <Mort> Afk abit need to buy groceries for lunch :P
14:44:39 <Nodwik> oh hai
14:44:52 <Mort> :P
14:44:58 * Mort hugs the NodWik..dont uh..tell athena
14:45:00 <Mort> oh shit
14:45:02 <Mort> Ill get fked
14:45:03 <Mort> :D :D
14:45:35 <Nodwik> ive been playing dnd for over ten years but playing digitaly is a new concept to me
14:45:44 <Nodwik> and it never happened
14:46:07 <Ballig> it's better
14:46:40 <Nodwik> so all i need to know to know where to create the char
14:51:14 <Ballig> we can give you an account on the website
14:51:16 <Ballig> if you give me an account name
14:51:26 <Ballig> and I can create a character if you tell me which campaign and give me a name for it
14:56:09 <Nodwik> ill have to get back to you i dont know the name of the campeign yet
14:56:28 <Nodwik> and Nodwik will be the account
15:37:14 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 16th 10am (Avatar) LSK: Sat 22nd Oct 7pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
15:37:14 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Oct 2 16:22:07 2011
15:37:14 <***> Buffer Playback...
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15:44:31 <Mort> ooh :P
15:46:49 <Mort> well it would take a Mort to play digitially
15:46:54 <Mort> since Morts have a complete lack of a life..
15:46:55 <Mort> :P
15:50:55 Nodwik has quit (Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER)
15:53:24 <Avatar> who was that
15:53:52 <Avatar> what is going on with him and mort
15:54:35 <Ballig> I think they're lovers
15:55:36 <Avatar> I meant in d20 terms
15:59:57 <Mort_lunch> Exuse me..?
15:59:57 <Mort_lunch> NOT
16:00:02 Mort_lunch is now known as Mort_relaxing
16:00:10 <Mort_relaxing> Id get killed by someone else..
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16:20:29 <Avatar> anyone got a good character sheet that lists weight on the inventory
16:21:54 <Ballig> fuck weight
16:22:00 <Ballig> wouldn't be hard to add though
16:22:06 <Ballig> I'd say just add it in a 'column' after the items
16:28:33 <Avatar> it's kind of important
16:28:50 <Avatar> there's certain things you aren't meant to do at all with a medium load
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16:31:27 <Brunius> http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/08/garbage-truck-simulator-2011-review/ lol
16:32:38 <Avatar> nice
16:44:37 <MekkisScreen> so.... we have a mort and a nodwik again
16:45:48 <Ballig> source?
16:46:58 <MekkisScreen> this channel?!
16:50:40 <Mort> what source
16:50:44 <Mort> Im eating lunch now btw
16:51:42 * Nodwik sits next to mort and pulls out his own lunch
16:54:13 <Ballig> how obscene
16:54:43 * Mort_lunch slaps Ballig
16:54:44 <Mort_lunch> whats wrong
16:56:39 <Avatar> looks like I spent all of level 1 on my gunslinger without deciding whether to put my extra favoured class point into hp or a skill
16:56:56 <Avatar> http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=308 < almost updated, except I almost made the same mistake twice
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17:02:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how's the cav ballig?
17:04:54 <Brunius> Spaceshot: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/10/08/garbage-truck-simulator-2011-review/
17:05:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
17:05:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> euro truck simulator is better still
17:08:03 <Brunius> Should I start reading this book for school?
17:08:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> maybe
17:08:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that or google it
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17:14:16 <Avatar> yo
17:14:28 <Mort_lunch> hiii
17:14:28 <Avatar> I had to choose straight away which character to put that level on, so Buck's got it
17:14:33 <Mort_lunch> lol
17:14:47 <Avatar> mort mort
17:14:50 <Avatar> I don't really remember you
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17:14:55 <Avatar> rings a bell
17:17:50 <Mort_lunch> came with jev :P
17:17:55 <Mort_lunch> trying ot create mye own party now
17:18:17 <Avatar> who is jev
17:18:19 <Avatar> do you mean gebannus
17:18:34 <Mort_lunch> jevouse
17:18:46 <Mort_lunch> now I think
17:18:46 <Avatar> oh yeah jevouse!
17:18:48 <Mort_lunch> I need
17:18:48 <Avatar> what happened to him
17:18:49 <Mort_lunch> a
17:18:52 <Mort_lunch> got pissed with ballig
17:18:55 <Mort_lunch> spellbook
17:19:03 <Ballig> I told him he couldn't play in cote
17:19:09 <Ballig> because he was being an entitled jackass about everyone else DMing games
17:19:12 <Ballig> when he refused to DM anything
17:19:32 <Ballig> (saying that because we had expressed interest in DMing games, he was allowed to be pushy about us doing it but we couldn't expect him to pitch in because he'd never expresesd an interest)
17:19:41 <Ballig> so he chucked a tantrum and didn't come back
17:20:04 <Mort_lunch> dont ever ask me to Dm
17:20:06 <Mort_lunch> to be honest
17:20:08 <Mort_lunch> i know nuts :D
17:20:14 <Mort_lunch> hell I dont even nkow how to create a charcter properly..
17:20:18 <Mort_lunch> I think I need a spellbook :D
17:20:21 <Mort_lunch> wizards..
17:20:33 <Ballig> we don't expect people to DM. but when they're being dicks about other people DMing, they have to expect we're going to ask why they feel entitled but aren't willing to do it themselves
17:20:56 <Mort_lunch> can u write on ur spellbook usign charcoal?
17:21:04 <Mort_lunch> or do I specifically need a spellbok and the ink
17:21:08 <Mort_lunch> well I hash paper and charcoal
17:21:34 <Ballig> you get your first spellbook for free
17:21:51 <Mort_lunch> cool - buying one costs a bomb
17:21:57 <Mort_lunch> can I write iwth it using charcoal?
17:22:00 <Mort_lunch> or I need ink.
17:24:00 <Ballig> the cost of the ink is included in the transcription of a spell, when you actually transcribe one
17:24:06 <Ballig> spells you get for free (by levelling etc) don't cost ink
17:24:17 <Avatar> Mekkis: I'm keen on DMing we be goblins, if you're good with that
17:25:42 <Avatar> not that you'll see this because your highlight doesn't really work
17:29:38 <Avatar> they were doing this thing where a few random people got a boon
17:29:51 <Avatar> I got a chronicle sheet that allows me to roll up a tengu as a character
17:29:59 <snypt> yo
17:30:04 <Avatar> and it says I have to have the bestiary with me at every session I play it
17:30:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> thought you'd be at the con
17:30:31 <snypt> ut finished at like 4
17:30:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ahh
17:30:38 <snypt> actually more like 2
17:30:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> well, stalking time. Where do you live in melbourne?
17:31:13 <snypt> in the outer northern suburbs
17:31:15 <snypt> epping
17:31:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk, how far from the city?
17:31:51 <snypt> about 20km i think
17:32:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm thats a bit :P
17:32:08 <snypt> ye
17:32:18 <snypt> takes about 40 mins on train or 30 to drive
17:32:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea as it would
17:33:03 <Avatar> don't think I'm keen on rolling up yet another 1st level char though
17:33:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's no help to me, though you aren't worse than brunius (unless he finally moved)
17:33:22 <snypt> why what are you looking for?
17:33:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> more of curiosity
17:34:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> good chance I'll be uni-ing it up in melb next year
17:34:45 <snypt> oh yeah?
17:34:48 <snypt> which uni?
17:34:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> YAR
17:35:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which ever will take me, still have to pay for the enrolment application
17:35:27 <snypt> u can get hecs for uni u know?
17:35:31 <snypt> bbs
17:35:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hecs? bbs?
17:35:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the fuck?
17:36:41 <Ballig> it's now called "help" I think
17:36:53 <snypt> ok back
17:37:01 <snypt> hecs is like a student loan from the gov
17:37:05 <Ballig> hecs is the name for it when we were youngsters
17:37:07 <Ballig> they call it "help" now
17:37:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hecs? I thought it was hex XD
17:37:16 <snypt> they pay for your uni shit and you pay them back when u get a goood job
17:37:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> now I know what you mean
17:37:19 <Ballig> higher education loan program or something
17:37:29 <Ballig> rather than higher education c<something> scheme
17:37:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea I know it
17:37:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> never seen it written before
17:37:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so that's what fucked me over
17:37:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I get the bbs too now
17:38:34 <snypt> im actually thinking about moving a bit closer to the city next yr
17:38:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I can also get a scholarship for going interstate
17:38:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or some shit like that
17:38:56 <snypt> dont u need to be like good at something to get a scholarship?
17:39:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hahaha
17:39:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not always
17:39:19 <snypt> not saying you arent good at stuff
17:39:25 <snypt> i just dont know if you are or not
17:39:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yar yar
17:39:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but scholarships aren't always about skill
17:39:43 <Spaceshot_tm2_> just about being in the right place at the right time :P
17:39:51 <snypt> ah k cool
17:40:07 <snypt> what are you going to study at uni?
17:40:25 <Spaceshot_tm2_> game programming, computer science or something along either lines
17:40:55 <snypt> ah i see
17:41:06 <snypt> comp sci with programming electives is cool
17:41:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea, but there are also a good number of specifically game programming courses around
17:41:53 <snypt> cool
17:42:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> http://gdaa.com.au/games-careers-info#courses-sa
17:42:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there's a few :P
17:42:39 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2_, you do not want to do a game programming course
17:42:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> because?
17:43:12 <Mekkis> you've demonstrated your lack of committment.
17:43:14 <snypt> he might
17:43:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
17:43:26 <Ballig> I chose not to go into IT or programming because I didn't want to ruin a hobby
17:43:27 <snypt> even tho it probably wont get you a job in australia
17:43:28 <Ballig> by doing it for a living
17:43:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they still teach you the same rudimentary programming stuff as comp science
17:43:58 <snypt> yeah doing something day in day out does kinda kill the fun
17:44:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yea it does, doesn't mean I can't make a living out of it
17:44:31 <Ballig> didn't say you can't
17:44:36 <Ballig> just said that I chose not to, so I didn't ruin a hobby
17:44:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> yar
17:44:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I have many, many, many hobbies XD
17:44:51 <snypt> it will be hard to make a living as a game programmer
17:44:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I can ruin a few
17:45:06 <snypt> not mipossible but very hard
17:45:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't specifically want to do game's programming
17:45:19 <snypt> it is something so many people want to do and there are very limited positions
17:45:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it couldn't hurt to do the course instead of the original comp science it is usually branched off from
17:46:18 <snypt> comp sci is a good thing to have if you want to get a general computer job
17:46:47 <snypt> whereas game programming is very specific thing to do
17:46:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they still work at a general computer job
17:47:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> games programming is actually quite more knowledge of programming than comp science
17:48:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you don't learn about 3d programming, programming physics, programming AI or very extensive loot randomisation in comp science
17:48:12 <snypt> if you have yourself (who has done a game programming course) and another dude (who has done comp sci with a programming major ) going for a job as say a website designer job there is a good change they will take the other guy
17:48:39 <snypt> it is but it is a different type of programming
17:48:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and there is a good chance the game programmer dude doesn't want to do websites
17:49:11 <snypt> a good chance but as i said b4 there is a very limited number of jobs for a game programmer
17:49:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> there are
17:49:26 <Brunius> I don't see why everyone wants to be a game programmer.
17:49:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't
17:49:34 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I really really don't
17:49:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I want to be a game designer
17:50:04 <snypt> anyway i have an announcment
17:50:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and have designed a few games already (non-video/electronical, just need to spam add flak/additional content)
17:50:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
17:50:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> go ahead
17:51:49 <snypt> i want to make a formal apology to everyone who told me that pathfinder was great (especially mekkis). because after finaly having played it i have come to the conclusion that pathfinder is better not only than dnd4e but also any of the other versions of dnd i have played
17:52:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> HAHAHAHA
17:52:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> HAHAHAHAHA
17:52:24 <snypt> it is not often i will admit i am wrong
17:52:26 <snypt> even if i am
17:52:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> clearly didn't see that coming
17:52:45 <snypt> but when it is called for i will do it
17:52:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
17:53:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, going to melb will give me more time, won't have so many hobby outings
17:53:14 <Brunius> Spaceshot is just laughing because he doesn't think Pathfinder is great.
17:53:22 <snypt> i argued a fuckton that dnd was better
17:53:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> no, it's that I saw it coming
17:53:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and it's just funny
17:53:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I do like pathfinder
17:53:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> don't like some things in it, and some things that aren't in it, but as a whole, I like it
17:54:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like, I hate some of the legacy that is in pathfinder
17:55:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I dislike the fact that there aren't good options/feats/choices that will make a spellcaster want to multiclass (which I'm guessing they are trying to make people not do in general)
17:56:10 <Brunius> Yeah
17:57:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> like if I multiclass as a magus, I become worse
17:59:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I wish to
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20:04:09 <Avatar> <snypt> i want to make a formal apology to everyone who told me that pathfinder was great (especially mekkis). because after finaly having played it i have come to the conclusion that pathfinder is better not only than dnd4e but also any of the other versions of dnd i have played
20:04:11 <Avatar> hahhahhaha
20:04:18 <snypt> shh
20:04:21 <snypt> dont tell mekkis
20:04:24 <Avatar> we should clear the topic and make that it for a few days
20:04:30 <Avatar> write an article snypt
20:04:43 <snypt> im shit at writing
20:04:49 <Avatar> I am sick of seeing mekkis' LSK one on the front page
20:04:57 <snypt> lol
20:06:04 <Avatar> if you write it I'll fix it up for you
20:12:08 <Brunius> If you're not careful I'll text Mekkis about that!
20:13:08 <Avatar> he will see it
20:13:20 <snypt> lol yeah im sure he will
20:15:05 <Brunius> Night guys
20:15:09 <Brunius> School tomorrow T.T
20:15:27 <snypt> cya mate
20:16:50 <Avatar> gg
20:22:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> avatar/snypt have either of you cast summon monster 1 in pathfinder?
20:22:46 <snypt> nope
20:22:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> I bet mekkis did with nightmare
20:23:12 <snypt> nope
20:23:27 <snypt> you would think being a summoner that he would
20:23:29 <snypt> but he didnt
20:23:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> really? wasn't he a synthisied summoner?
20:24:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> wait snyth isn't the summoner with eidolon and summons, that's master summoner
20:24:48 <Avatar> I'm not sure a synth summoner was capable of it
20:24:54 <Avatar> otherwise why the hell didn't he
20:25:03 <snypt> im sure he can do it
20:25:05 <Avatar> and the bonuses he gets with it are ridiculous as is
20:25:20 <snypt> but he didnt need to cause he was a crazy big firey horse that bit the shit out of ppl
20:25:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> haha yea
20:25:46 <Avatar> Spaceshot_tm2: it turns out I was wrong about alternate racial features and archetypes and so forth, you can use them all in PFS unless they're not stated on that page
20:25:53 <Avatar> er, unless they ARE stated on that page
20:26:03 <Avatar> but most of it is legal
20:26:06 <Spaceshot_tm2> summoners can't use the special ability summons with an eidolon out, except for master summoner
20:26:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> only ones I've seen banned are the gun holting archetypes
20:26:45 <Avatar> gun holting
20:26:47 <Avatar> what is that
20:27:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> basically, the spellslinger (wizard with gun/s) and divine shot or whatever it's called (pally with gun/s)
20:29:05 <snypt> Avatar, what was the name of the witch and sorc from our group?
20:29:14 <snypt> well i know the names but how do you spell them
20:29:56 <Avatar> character names?
20:30:01 <snypt> yeah
20:30:04 <Avatar> seoni and umm
20:30:20 <Avatar> fieya
20:30:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> randoms you played with?
20:30:29 <Avatar> possibly feiya
20:30:36 <Avatar> couple of mekkis' friends
20:30:42 <Avatar> very cool people
20:31:32 <snypt> yeah they were cool
20:31:52 <snypt> it is hard to write about this
20:32:06 <snypt> im not giving specifics about the games
20:32:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> DO IT
20:32:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> NAO
20:33:13 <snypt> we finished frostfur at about 9:30 yeah?
20:33:27 <snypt> i was so shagged by then i can hardly remember
20:36:10 <Avatar> talk about pathfinder more than the modules
20:36:20 <Avatar> frostfur was like 10.30
20:36:25 <Avatar> I was so exhausted
20:36:38 <snypt> lol yeah i was gone
20:37:34 <Avatar> not as exhuasted as I was after arcanacon
20:37:38 <Avatar> and The Game
20:37:58 <Spaceshot_tm2> avatar, shh about said game
20:38:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> it gets old fast
20:38:09 <Avatar> oh it never gets old
20:38:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> yea it does
20:38:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> fast
20:38:17 <Avatar> that game traumatised me
20:38:33 <snypt> Avatar, what is steve title i see him in the pfs book as regional coordinator
20:38:39 <snypt> but im sure he had a different title
20:38:55 <Avatar> he's umm
20:39:10 <Avatar> I don't know, look up Stephen White or DarkWhite
20:39:20 <Avatar> regional co-ordinator sounds right
20:39:38 <snypt> yeah that should do
20:44:02 <snypt> ok avatar have a bit of a read and edit of my article
20:44:07 <snypt> dccallow me
20:44:18 <Avatar> done
20:57:23 <Avatar> almost done
20:57:29 <snypt> cool
20:57:38 <snypt> make sure you check the spelling im pretty shit at it
20:58:14 <Avatar> you might want to add a sentence or three near the beginning about why you're writing this in a blow-by-blow style
20:58:17 <snypt> see what happens when you drop out of school in yr 10 =P
20:58:20 <Avatar> this is very detailed
20:59:08 <snypt> really i tried to keep it kind vauge
20:59:15 <snypt> i didnt want to give anything of the games away
21:00:48 <Avatar> yeah it was vague about the games but super detailed about everything else
21:00:55 <snypt> lol
21:01:37 <Avatar> you don't have to, but it'll probably add to the article's value
21:02:35 <snypt> just put in something like here is a detailed review of my weekend at unicon i am writing this to show what the average roleplay convention is like for a newcomer
21:02:57 <Avatar> yep
21:03:31 <snypt> maybe add it to the end kindof like sorry for getting into so much detail in this article but i wanted to let newcomes know exactly what it is like at unicon
21:04:28 <snypt> hmm im thinking maybe ill get a bike instead of a new car
21:04:55 <snypt> it i cheaper on fuel and i dont need to carry people around that way
21:05:24 <snypt> i wouldnt have to get a license tho
21:05:32 <snypt> would**
21:08:49 <Avatar> dccaccept me
21:09:23 <Avatar> if you're happy with that, go ahead and post it
21:09:35 <Avatar> I removed your name because we don't usually post them on articles, but you're free to do so if you want
21:09:55 <snypt> lol u left it at the top
21:10:20 <Avatar> oh, woops
21:10:42 <Avatar> the title will automatically put your username on there
21:10:48 <snypt> cool
21:14:27 <snypt> looks good
21:19:46 <snypt> =/
21:20:10 <snypt> im going to have to add a little more html to that i think
21:20:16 <snypt> see how it uploaded>?
21:23:48 <snypt> Ballig, how is it the site doesnt add the breaks itself?
21:24:49 <Ballig> hm?
21:25:45 <snypt> yes you coded the site
21:25:51 <Ballig> what was the question
21:26:37 <snypt> why is it when i copy past a text file into the article box and upload it there are no breaks in it?
21:27:03 <Ballig> because it's in html
21:27:08 <Ballig> that's how html works
21:27:34 <snypt> so i should make a whole frame for it
21:28:05 <Ballig> why are you making a frame?
21:28:07 <Ballig> just put it in html
21:31:31 <Ballig> authors have some control over their article (allowing them to use html instead of automatically formatting it for them), but if you abuse it we just remove your authoring ability
21:31:57 <snypt> can anyone upload an article or just admins?
21:33:09 <Ballig> it's a separate flag
21:33:12 <Ballig> admins have to give you the author flag
21:33:29 <snypt> ah k
21:33:35 <snypt> i was going to say
21:33:45 <snypt> someone could really fuck with that
21:34:03 <Ballig> yeah :p
21:34:20 <Ballig> that's why not just anyone can do it
21:34:28 <Ballig> if just anyone could, I'd lock down the tags
21:34:36 <Ballig> like the bbcode tags in character sheets
22:02:14 <***> Buffer Playback...
22:02:14 <***> Playback Complete.
22:03:18 <Avatar> I wasn't into cons either before I went
22:03:36 <Mekkis> there is a con in Canberra june-july next year, I hear
22:05:36 <Mekkis> (heh... I just realised I didn't sign any of your sheets)
22:05:37 <Mekkis> w/e
22:05:43 <Mekkis> can wait till next year
22:11:02 <Mekkis> Ballig, I asked the question about you taking the archetype
22:12:12 <Ballig> hm?
22:13:16 <Mekkis> whether you could take the Beast Rider archetype of cavalier
22:13:23 <Ballig> yeah, what did they say?
22:13:36 <Mekkis> John says no
22:13:40 <Mekkis> Stephen says yes
22:13:47 <Mekkis> Stephen outranks John
22:13:59 <Ballig> John thinks that beast rider isn't PFS legal?
22:14:12 <Mekkis> John thinks that you can't change archetype
22:14:23 <Mekkis> s/change/adopt an/
22:14:25 <Ballig> there's a default archetype?
22:14:52 <Mekkis> John thinks that you can't adopt an archetype
22:15:49 <Ballig> is it normal not to be able to take something like that when it didn't exist before your character was created?
22:20:19 <Mekkis> yes
22:20:49 <Mekkis> this was White's view, last year when the APG came out
22:20:50 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderSociety/general/pathfinderSocietyAPGAndRebuilds&page=1#47
22:27:09 <Ballig> I normally wouldn't mind, except that with the new rule that lets you run a scenario as a player once and as a DM once, that puts a soft limit on the number of characters you can have
22:27:38 <Mekkis> that's one thing
22:28:42 <Mekkis> the other thing is that it's be really good for there to be a critical mass of players here to have level 3+ (or 5+) characters - to allow running of higher-tier games
22:30:40 <Mekkis> Personally, I feel that if you need to do things that would seem irrational to get the desired effect for a character's - well, character - then the rules need changing
22:31:02 <Mekkis> but that's not really my position to argue
22:31:33 <Mekkis> (eg, wanting to play a roc-riding cavalier, so being forced to play a druid instead)
22:31:59 <Mekkis> or wanting to play a musketeer, but instead going gunslinger 5 / cavalier 6
22:32:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> what level is roc?
22:32:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> for druid?
22:32:33 <Mekkis> 1
22:32:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> really?
22:32:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> where does it say level 1?
22:32:49 <Mekkis> bestiary
22:32:59 <Mekkis> actually
22:33:03 <Mekkis> any animal is level 1 now
22:33:07 <Mekkis> they've changed druid
22:33:12 <Mekkis> come back when you've read it
22:33:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> did they do a overhaul on the animal companions?
22:33:38 <Mekkis> they overhauled all the classes
22:33:41 <Mekkis> including druid
22:33:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> ...
22:34:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> I mean could an oracle with nature bond take a roc?
22:34:06 <Mekkis> in PFS?
22:34:07 <Mekkis> no
22:34:18 <Spaceshot_tm2> because it doesn't explicitly say I can?
22:34:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> even though the wording could be construde as allow it?
22:34:47 <Mekkis> are you playing a druid?
22:35:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> ??
22:35:26 <Mekkis> is the character a druid?
22:35:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> oracle != druid so I doubt it
22:35:35 <Mekkis> then no
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22:35:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> would you say a roc is a suitable mount for a gnome/halfling?
22:35:54 <Mekkis> in some cases
22:36:16 <Mekkis> but I would be extremely stringent when it came to encumberance
22:36:35 <Spaceshot_tm2> then sentence 2 makes sense for a gnome/halfling to use a roc as a bonded mount
22:36:50 <Mekkis> and the guide shoots your argument out of the water
22:37:02 <Spaceshot_tm2> probably does
22:37:16 <Spaceshot_tm2> still doesn't make the arguement invalid, just that for balance sake it is
22:37:29 <Mekkis> it does
22:37:37 <Mekkis> so, if you want to argue about it
22:37:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> the sentence is correct in the wording that it would allow it
22:37:57 <Mekkis> take it to the forum, where there's a slight chance it will result in a rule change
22:38:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> the guide doesn't allow it due to balancing issues
22:38:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> even though a druid who is a superior class can
22:38:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> and yea, I'm not that fussed
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22:48:18 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderSociety/general/skillIrrelevancyThroughBoxTextImmunity&page=1#12
22:48:19 <Mekkis> heh
22:49:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> heh indeed
22:49:54 <Mekkis> (fyi, I am playing a gnomish druid riding a roc)
22:50:10 <Mekkis> and I am awfully picky about his encumberance
22:56:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> well my DM is allowing me to somewhat rebuild my magus
22:56:53 <Spaceshot_tm2> so I'm trying to think what to replace improved shield bash with, and the skirnir archetype
23:06:43 <Mekkis> wow
23:06:56 <Mekkis> Mark's defending his scenario
23:12:07 <Mekkis> and all these GMs are saying, "It went really well, after we ignored three-quarters of the rules, and handwaved everything"
23:14:32 <Ballig> haha
23:14:35 <Ballig> and he's still saying it's fine?
23:14:41 <Mekkis> yep
23:14:49 <Mekkis> Ballig, why don't you run it
23:14:52 <Ballig> I want to see him play it without metagaming it
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23:15:03 <Ballig> ha
23:15:59 <Mekkis> ;)
23:17:03 <Ballig> want some of my finnish candy Mekkis?
23:17:30 <Mekkis> sure
23:19:00 <Ballig> it's salmiakki
23:35:18 <Ballig> gendarme would be a good archetype
23:37:24 <Mekkis> Indeed. I've yet to see how the scrutiny of the animal training rules actually adds fun and enjoyment to the game.
23:37:24 <Mekkis> "Remember how it took you eight modules to get your animal functional in combat because you kept missing those rolls?"
23:37:24 <Mekkis> "Yeah, that simulation of repeatedly failing to train my animal over several months was awesome! I felt like my character really was bonding with my pet!"
23:37:28 <Ballig> if I had gendarme I could have ride-by-attack already
23:38:56 <Mekkis> wtf
23:39:14 <Mekkis> The Paizo offices will be closed Monday, October 10 for Columbus Day.
23:39:19 <Mekkis> so we can't browse the webstore
23:39:20 <Mekkis> yay!
23:41:02 <snypt> ok it is up
23:41:09 <Mekkis> the shot's still out...
23:41:14 <Mekkis> yay for netsplits
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23:45:50 <snypt> so ballig when will we see u at a con?
23:45:58 <snypt> there is something coming up in caberra ye/
23:46:11 <Ballig> eh
23:46:13 <Ballig> I'm not into cons
23:46:47 <snypt> well how about if we go to the con we can meet up and play a game anyway
23:47:48 <Avatar> usd has dropped to 0.9784 :(
23:50:10 <Avatar> there's a bloody touchscreen e-ink version of the kindle out now, same price as what I paid
23:50:21 <Avatar> the kindle I have hasn't dropped in price either though
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23:50:50 <snypt> Ballig, u still got your bike?
23:51:00 <Ballig> yeah for now
23:51:38 <snypt> did u get a cbr or zxr?
23:53:10 <Mekkis> I didn't think you read many novels, Avatar...
23:56:04 <Avatar> I don't
23:56:15 <Avatar> I used to, and there's one coming out that I want to read
23:56:35 <Avatar> it was a bit crap at the con
23:56:36 <Ballig> snypt: it's a GPX 250
23:56:42 <Avatar> good for char sheets maybe
23:56:44 <snypt> ah you got the gpx
23:56:51 <Ballig> Avatar: yeah it has
23:56:51 <snypt> i was looking at some zzr's
23:56:54 <Ballig> the kindle you have is $80 now
23:56:56 <Ballig> on amazon
23:57:00 <Ballig> the touch version is $100
23:57:10 <Avatar> that's with ads and shit isn't it
23:57:41 <Ballig> with special offers is $80, without is $110
23:57:51 <Avatar> the page I'm looking at says $99 and $139 for the touch
23:57:55 <canine> the ads don't appear during actual reading, just while you're in the book selection/store menus
23:57:59 <Ballig> yeah that's right, for the touch
23:58:24 <canine> but still I have an irrational hate for ads and so I wouldn't buy that one
23:58:33 <Avatar> and kindle keyboard is $99 and $139 also
23:58:48 <Ballig> not sure why you'd want the keyboard version
23:58:56 <Avatar> that was the one they had
23:59:08 <Ballig> you bought the keyboard version?
23:59:14 <Avatar> yeah
23:59:17 <Ballig> that's disgusting
23:59:22 <Avatar> they didn't have the lite one before
23:59:26 <Ballig> how many times have you used the keyboard
23:59:43 <Avatar> I think I have, but I can't remember what for
23:59:46 <Avatar> naming collections
23:59:50 <Avatar> (folders)
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