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04:18 <Avatar> oh sweet I can redirect ultimate combat from the dumb post office to my parcel locker
04:37 <Avatar> I've never heard of australia post being this efficient, ever
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42:04 <Ballig> Avatar, Mekkis: I'd probably clarify that by adding any hurry-up tactics probably shouldn't cause the players to feel their characters' lives are at jeopardy
42:18 <Ballig> delays caused by caution before battle due to planning/strategy are mostly justified
44:33 <Ballig> hurrying us up when we are fuck-assing around because we're not sure we've asked the venture captain absolutely everything there is to ask is okay, but it might alienate people if encounters started prematurely because the DM felt it was taking too long to begin
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26:19 <Avatar> yeah I meant when we go completely off-track and nothing is happening
26:36 <Avatar> not while we are putting together our dastardly schemes in fine detail
17:21 <Mekkis> don't put your schemes in fine detail. it never works
20:16 <Avatar> oh it works
20:38 <Mekkis> give me one example where a detailed plan of yours went entirely to plan
26:26 <Avatar> man the only plan I even remember planning are the ones during this encounter
26:36 <Avatar> er
26:37 <Avatar> scenario
27:03 <Avatar> I remember one working extremely well in toee actualy
27:05 <Avatar> actually*
44:43 <Mekkis> one out of how many?
52:24 <Avatar> out of what I remember, one out of three
52:56 <Mekkis> that reminds me
53:09 <Mekkis> why did Shades of Ice take so long for you?
53:19 <Avatar> what do you mean
53:21 <Avatar> to run ?
53:29 <Mekkis> you needed to call the last encounter, right?
53:40 <Avatar> oh
53:41 <Avatar> part 2
54:00 <Avatar> have you played part 2
54:00 <Mekkis> it doesn't normally take that long
54:02 <Mekkis> nope
54:49 <Avatar> I don't remember anything standing out about why we took too long
55:16 <Avatar> combats were quite efficient
55:40 <Mekkis> after spending hours planning?
56:12 <Avatar> obviously not
56:56 <Avatar> we had one death
57:12 <Mekkis> planning doesn't prevent deaths
57:47 <Avatar> pretty sure it does
58:00 <Mekkis> nope, because circumstances change
58:19 <Avatar> but you're in a better position to adapt to them
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50:14 <Avatar-> :o)
51:31 <canine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU&feature=youtu.be for your viewing pleasure
52:48 <Avatar-> what's that
52:52 <Avatar-> I'm on my mobile
18:08 <MekkisScreen> disagree
18:25 <MekkisScreen> changing circumstaces can't change plans that are more complex
18:52 <MekkisScreen> It's better to have a simple plan: "I'll entangle them while you shoot them"
19:19 <MekkisScreen> unlike massive plans that fail if the enemy, say, is a spellcaster
10:05 <Avatar-> we aren't talking complexity
10:23 <Avatar-> you are always better off with a plan than without one
34:27 <MekkisScreen> sure
34:36 <MekkisScreen> and you're better off with the three point plan
34:41 <MekkisScreen> a) talk to them
34:45 <MekkisScreen> b) stab them
34:48 <MekkisScreen> c) run
34:54 <MekkisScreen> in terms of preference
35:36 <MekkisScreen> (unless of course your character's name is Mytiazair, in which it is often the case where he will stab them in the back, even after talking to them
52:39 <Avatar-> "stab them" is a bit of a weak plan if you can come up with something that can drop a guy or two in one round
52:57 <Avatar-> or stop them using the big nasty lantern
10:54 <MekkisScreen> at least you didn't try to use grapple or stuff on them
26:56 <Avatar-> so little faith
40:28 <Avatar-> should have left at 2 pm
40:35 <Avatar-> what a joke of a day
58:36 <Ballig> why was the day a joke
59:40 <MekkisScreen> I've been spending a lot of today waiting
04:08 <Ballig> waiting where
12:30 <Avatar> a customer asked for an update on an issue he reported two days ago
13:14 <Avatar> I didn't have any good results so I put something together for him anyway, but since I didn't have any decent results, I ran it past senior management to see if they were okay with it
13:52 <Avatar> and they didn't manage to work out whether it was good enough all day, after 3 phone calls of them answering me to find out more about it and 4 of them not answering me at all
14:11 <Avatar> for something that should been figured out in 10 minutes, by the end of the day, the customer is still clueless
14:39 <Avatar> high-end customer I should add, which is the only reason I checked with them in the first place
14:44 <Avatar> I should have just sent it
15:35 <Ballig> or just told them you'd do it yourself, poached them, and started your own company
16:14 <Avatar> I don't want to, I actually don't even like this customer
16:25 <Ballig> you will like their money
16:38 <Avatar> no, I'd rather starve
16:51 <Ballig> tell me that the next time you're eating a juicy, garlicy steak
17:00 <Avatar> look I will find other ways okay
17:11 <Avatar> I am just trying to give you an impression
17:14 <Avatar> it is not meant to be taken literally
17:52 <Ballig> does open office have a desktop publisher
18:08 <Avatar> what's a desktop publisher
18:32 <Ballig> a program you use to make marketing material like flyers and brochures
18:35 <Ballig> e.g. microsoft publisher
18:58 <Ballig> a quick google suggests openoffice writer can be used for that
19:00 <Ballig> but that would surprise me
20:13 <Avatar> I don't think so
20:19 <Avatar> not like publisher
20:23 <Ballig> yeah
20:33 <Ballig> Writer
20:34 <Ballig> www.openoffice.org › projects › www › Website
20:34 <Ballig> WRITER has everything you would expect from a modern, fully equipped word processor or desktop publisher. It's simple enough for a quick memo, powerful ...
21:50 <MekkisScreen> I thought powenoffice was mostly dead now
21:59 <MekkisScreen> with everyone recommending libreoffice instead
22:02 <Ballig> what's powenoffice
22:10 <Ballig> never heard of libreoffice
22:16 <Ballig> so I wouldn't say everyone is recommending it
22:34 <Ballig> Scribus looks interesting for desktop publishing
23:05 <MekkisScreen> basically, when Oracle bought Sun and started killing off Sun's Open source software, the core openoffice team left, forked the project, and started libreoffice
23:05 <Ballig> why is libreoffice better than openoffice
23:38 <Ballig> the main issue I had with openoffice was the lack of compatibility with documents between microsoft office and openoffice
24:09 <Avatar> yeah I wanted to use open office instead of ms office
24:12 <Avatar> but it was far too different
25:06 <Ballig> it's okay if you want to do a document then make it into a pdf, because it will be the same no matter where it's opened
25:08 <MekkisScreen> I figure that transitioning from 2003 to 2007 requires learning a new interface anyway
25:17 <Ballig> but you can't use it to open documents made in microsoft office, or send it to anyone who uses microsoft office
25:23 <MekkisScreen> may as well learn openoffice/libreoffice instead
25:24 <Ballig> it's not the interface
25:27 <Ballig> it's the document compatibility
25:39 <MekkisScreen> it's MSoffice importing is pretty good now
25:45 <Ballig> it wasn't as of like a year ago
25:51 <Ballig> in openoffice, anyway
26:40 <MekkisScreen> for word documents at least
27:10 <MekkisScreen> that being said, I haven't had to deal with it much: at work we're pretty much all ODT
27:23 <MekkisScreen> and the excel files and word files we get don't use the advanced features
27:27 <Ballig> we tried to do that at the homeless shelter
27:31 <Ballig> but we had to share documents with our funding body
27:35 <Ballig> who used ms office
27:37 <Ballig> so it wasn't possible
27:50 <MekkisScreen> yeah
27:56 <MekkisScreen> it's annoying how that is
28:17 <MekkisScreen> importing is normally OK, exporting, well, you don't actually know how well it is
28:23 <Ballig> yeah
28:30 <MekkisScreen> and you can't tell until it's too late
28:32 <Ballig> and importing anything remotely complex became a nightmare
29:03 <MekkisScreen> people use "complex" word documents?
29:21 <Ballig> yeah
29:35 <Ballig> sometimes complex, and sometimes just really horribly created
29:40 <Ballig> you can get some seriously digusting word documents
29:46 <Ballig> that are almost impossible to edit even in ms office
29:50 <Ballig> let alone import to an open suite
30:29 <Avatar> I use a complex excel document
30:33 <Avatar> that didn't go down well in openoffice
30:42 <MekkisScreen> openoffice has "draw" athat does some vector drawing stuff, not sure what you're actually after though
30:54 <MekkisScreen> that's what I use for chronicle sheets
31:06 <Ballig> I use an automatic generator for chronicle sheets
31:08 <Avatar> man forget openoffice for chronicle sheets
31:13 <Avatar> Ballig has got it sorted
17:12 <Brunius> So, I'm programming a "car" in Mechatronics. The programming is currently set up to reverse when the light level gets too low. This means that when it comes up to a wall, it reverses. This also means, that if the flickers, it reverses away from it's own shadow.
17:23 <Brunius> if the light*
17:59 <Avatar> forever?
25:29 <Brunius> Until it decides not to
25:34 <Brunius> Typically about 10 seconds
25:47 <Brunius> I'm gonna have to work out how to make it not do it, now.
27:08 <Brunius> Everyone was crowding around for like 10 minutes today, because ours is the first in our class to run.
30:14 <Ballig> so it can't drive in the dark?
35:43 <Avatar> it will drive in reverse
38:06 <Brunius> I might have to put LEDs above the LDRs to make it not do that.
38:35 <Ballig> what happens if it's about to reverse into a wall
39:38 <Avatar> it keeps reversing, the light level is too dim
44:27 <Brunius> It it's about to hit a wall, the direction changes
44:34 <Brunius> As it's darker near the wall.
51:04 <Ballig> what if there's a light shining on the wall
53:29 <Ballig> what if it's about to run into an actual light, then it will get brighter
09:18 <Avatar> it accelerates 
12:00 <Brunius> The speed isn't based on the light.
12:20 <Brunius> The speed is the same, whether there's little light or lots of light.
12:44 <Brunius> It's when the light level falls below a certain amount that it changes directions.
12:47 <Brunius> 200 IIRC
14:37 <MekkisScreen> why?
20:14 <Ballig> it is going to run into lamps
21:04 <Brunius> http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5526/1193438614818ck4.jpg Avatar, Buck wasn't planning on multiclassing into Wizard, was he?
21:17 <Brunius> What do you mean "why?", Mekkis?
21:44 <Avatar> Brunius: nope, but I guess Mellon might
27:35 <Brunius> Any idea what system is used to elect members of the House of Representatives?
27:54 <Avatar> the voting system
31:40 <MekkisScreen> es
31:42 <MekkisScreen> yes
35:50 <Avatar> http://auspost.com.au/personal/parcel-lockers.html
38:33 <Avatar> sweet, I got a locker straight up
38:42 <Avatar> I thought there would be a waiting period or a fee
38:57 <Avatar> I'm glad I'm already waiting on ultimate combat to be waiting at the wrong post office
39:03 <Avatar> which, by the way, is taking its sweet time
40:25 <Avatar> maybe I should order something else
41:13 <MekkisScreen> maybe
41:21 <MekkisScreen> maybe I should sell you Ultimate Magic
43:11 <Avatar> yeah do that
43:13 <Avatar> post it to me
45:01 <Ballig> how the hell is that free
45:13 <Brunius> It's a trial.
45:31 <Ballig> it says the service is free
46:33 <Avatar> yeah it's free man
46:53 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: can you wait until Australia day?
46:57 <MekkisScreen> (Arcanacon)
47:20 <Avatar> yeah ok
47:26 <Avatar> but I wanted to test my parcel locker
47:47 <Avatar> I guess I can just buy something else
47:57 <Avatar> Ballig: did you buy ultimate combat the same day I did? hardcover?
48:21 <Ballig> I don't buy hardcovers
49:17 <Brunius> :O
49:19 <Brunius> Why not?>
49:43 <Brunius> When I last ordered from Amazon UK, it arrived in like a week
49:57 <Brunius> (I have had mail missent to Bermuda though, and that took 6 months)
50:00 <Ballig> I hate hardcover books
50:15 <Ballig> the only reason I buy pathfinder books is because they sell them as PDFs
50:19 <Brunius> Ha
50:23 <Ballig> if they didn't sell them as PDFs I would just get PDFs from file servers
50:29 <Avatar> that's a good point, if you don't go to cons or play in person, there's no point
50:47 <Ballig> why can't you have the PDF and have it on a tablet
50:54 <Avatar> I have it on my phone
50:57 <Ballig> if I go to a con I will just buy a kindle fire
51:00 <Ballig> and put the PDFs on there
51:01 <Avatar> up till recently it's not really usable 
51:19 <Avatar> make sure it can handle opening the damn thing
51:35 <Avatar> my phone runs out of battery by the end of the day too
51:43 <Avatar> I brought my charger to the last two
51:44 <Ballig> a kindle fire will handle it
51:50 <Ballig> get a spare battery
51:58 <Avatar> what for, I can bring my charger
52:04 <Ballig> because then you have to wait for it to charge
52:10 <Avatar> no I don't
52:19 <Ballig> does your charger magically charge instantly
52:21 <Avatar> you plug it in when you're not using it
52:25 <Avatar> or when you are using it
52:27 <Ballig> and then wait for it to charge
52:31 <Avatar> no waiting
52:36 <Ballig> you also need to be near power points
52:42 <Avatar> we always are
52:42 <Ballig> spare battery? just switch and you're good
52:45 <Avatar> cmon, power points?
52:57 <Ballig> I can't even be sure of being near power points at work
52:59 <Avatar> we don't play in airports
53:00 <Ballig> let alone in a convention hall
53:13 <Avatar> well so far the cons have been at schools
53:15 <Avatar> we play in classrooms
53:22 <Avatar> there's usually power points available
53:32 <Ballig> too bad if they ever use a function hall
53:41 <Avatar> no function hall
53:42 <Avatar> cmon
53:46 <Avatar> this is pathfinder
53:57 <Ballig> if the cons make enough money they'll do it
54:07 <Avatar> not in melbourne they wouldn't
54:15 <Avatar> not unless they had to
54:20 <Avatar> the rules are different here
54:36 <Ballig> don't think so
54:44 <Avatar> have you been to melb
54:57 <Avatar> no
54:58 <Ballig> I go every weekend
55:03 <Avatar> it's okay I understand you don't know what you're talking about
55:12 <Avatar> I wouldn't either if I hadn't been here
55:25 <Avatar> I would think lol its just another city too far south of anywhere
55:28 <Avatar> but you'd be wrong
55:39 <Ballig> I go every weekend
55:49 <Avatar> you've never been
55:57 <Avatar> you wanna know how I know
56:10 <Avatar> you wanna know 
56:14 <Avatar> I know because you would know
56:18 <Ballig> nope
56:24 <Avatar> it's okay I understand
57:34 <Ballig> pretty sure there are no signs on the outskirts of melbourne that say "pathfinder conventions in schools only, penalty is death"
57:57 <Avatar> what do you expect man
57:58 <Avatar> signs
58:01 <Brunius> You'd be surprised, Ballig.
58:12 <Avatar> let's go post a sign brunius
58:15 <Avatar> so that ballig knows how it works
58:16 <Ballig> yeah I was going to say that
58:19 <Ballig> Avatar will go make one now
58:21 <Ballig> and take a picture of it
58:22 <Brunius> Ok man
58:24 <Brunius> You print it.
58:26 <Avatar> I will take no pictures
58:30 <Brunius> I will stick it up on the outskirts.
58:31 <Avatar> you will have to come and see it
58:40 <Avatar> OK
58:50 <Brunius> (Considering that's where I live T.T)
59:08 <MekkisScreen> Avatar, they used a function hall in Paizocon
59:18 <Avatar> where was paizocon
59:23 <MekkisScreen> brisbane
59:31 <Avatar> scroll up and read what we're talking about chief
59:34 <Ballig> he's trying to suggest that melbourne is different
59:44 <Ballig> that all conventions in melbourne happen in schools for some magical reason
59:51 <Avatar> I'm SUGGESTING
59:57 <Avatar> that the rules in melbourne are different to anywhere else
00:04 <Avatar> not just with conventions and schools
00:05 <Ballig> rules specifically relating to conventions
00:06 <Ballig> in schools
00:17 <Avatar> you're missing the point
00:28 <MekkisScreen> Maquariecon is in Sydney, in a university
00:30 <Ballig> it is a magical anomaly that exists only in melbourne
00:38 <Avatar> yes!
00:42 <Avatar> it is a magical anomaly
00:48 <MekkisScreen> magical?
00:56 <Avatar> well it appears to be magical
00:59 <Avatar> I have no way to describe it
01:12 <Ballig> the same way you have no way to describe god
01:15 <Ballig> because it doesn't exist
01:31 <Avatar> I guess, but I'm not talking about god, I'm talking about melbourne
01:34 <Avatar> which DOES exist!
02:03 <Ballig> strawman logical fallacy
03:15 <Brunius> Huh?
03:46 <Ballig> it's Avatar's favourite way to argue :p
03:57 <Avatar> what
04:02 <Ballig> the straw man
04:05 <Avatar> I didn't get it either
04:07 <Avatar> I just didn't care
04:12 <Avatar> there is no way to explain this
04:27 <Ballig> A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position, twisting his words or by means of [false] assumptions.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[
04:57 <Avatar> that definition has a lot of big words
05:22 <Avatar> although from what I do understand, yes that is my favourite way to argue
05:26 <Avatar> adds flavour
06:24 <Brunius> So essentially, "I hate books" "I love stories"?
06:40 <Ballig> well, more specific to this argument
06:47 <Ballig> I say that he can't describe something because it doesn't exist
07:00 <MekkisScreen> well. Hitler talked about god, and didn't talk about Melbourne...
07:01 <Avatar> oh it exists
07:02 <MekkisScreen> :)
07:03 <Ballig> he twists those words around and "refutes my proposition" by insisting that Melbourne DOES exist
07:19 <Brunius> I see.
07:26 <Brunius> (It does, btw.)
07:28 <Ballig> Melbourne existing was the straw man, an illusion that he created in order to come back in the argument
07:29 <Avatar> look I'm trying to talk about how melbourne is amazing like this, and somehow you brought god into it
07:32 <Avatar> so I think you did the same thing
07:33 <Ballig> even though no one suggested Melbourne didn't exist
07:40 <Avatar> I am just trying to bring it back to the original subject using your argument
08:18 <Avatar> nobody suggested god exists either
08:36 <Avatar> no offense to any religious types in the room
08:39 <Ballig> it was a logical comparison
08:43 <Ballig> perfectly acceptable in an argument
08:44 <Avatar> so was mine
08:48 <Ballig> no, yours was a straw man
08:55 <Avatar> no more than yours was
09:02 <MekkisScreen> damn, I didn't manage to bring Hitler into it properly
09:02 <Ballig> you created it out of whole cloth in order to charge at it to look like you were in the middle of battle
09:04 <Avatar> you started the straw man fallacy
09:08 <Avatar> and then tried to put it on me
09:15 <Ballig> MekkisScreen is trying to godwin's law us
09:16 <Ballig> :p
09:22 <MekkisScreen> yes
09:24 <MekkisScreen> I am
09:28 <Ballig> funnily enough, spaceshot does that all the time
09:29 <Ballig> without irony
09:49 <Brunius> You know what's worse than find a worm in your apple?
09:58 <Ballig> half a worm
10:00 <Brunius> The holocaust!
10:00 <MekkisScreen> half a worm
10:01 <Brunius> Hahaha!
10:08 <Avatar> this conversation has spiralled out of control
10:12 <Ballig> well now I feel like a jerk, the holocaust sure is worse than half a worm
10:16 <Brunius> Anti-jokes are awesome.
10:18 <Ballig> my bus driver today thought he was funny
10:34 <Ballig> I went to sydney, so the driver did that whole "playing this message first" thing
10:37 <Ballig> and insisted on asking us questions after
10:42 <Ballig> the last being: How does a leprechaun tell the time?
10:45 <Ballig> by looking at his watch
10:49 <Brunius> Haha!
10:53 <Brunius> Funny joke, eh?
10:58 <Ballig> it sure was
14:33 <Avatar> is bf3 worth buying
16:41 <Brunius> Absolutely.
16:50 <Brunius> As long as you sned me $75 and a copy of WIn7.
16:54 <Brunius> send*
17:02 <Avatar> it's $80
17:16 <Brunius> I need the $75 for a new CPU
17:35 <Brunius> cdkeyempire.com/battlefield-3-limited-edition-cd-key $35
18:03 <Avatar> how do those works
18:04 <Avatar> work*
18:12 <Avatar> do you just preload the game and put in the key
18:22 <Brunius> They send you the key, then you activate it on Origin.
18:32 <Avatar> and it's $35?
18:46 <Avatar> is this eral
18:47 <Avatar> real
18:54 <Avatar> you'd think I was typing on a phone
19:40 <Avatar> and that's $25 off the regular $60 pricetag
19:44 <Avatar> for a game that came out today
20:15 <Brunius> It's real man.
20:22 <Brunius> It's been that price for ages.
20:37 <Brunius> On there, at least.
21:02 <Brunius> That's the US price, not the Australian price.
21:10 <Brunius> We are getting boned on games prices man.
21:28 <Avatar> that just means it's less than $35
21:34 <Brunius> Night guys
21:36 <Brunius> Yeah man
21:38 <Avatar> gg
29:27 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 23rd 10am (Mekkis) |LSK: Sat 7.30pm || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE by the Friday before! || EM: Sat 2pm | CotE: Sun 3.30pm
29:27 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Oct 23 03:57:59 2011
29:27 <***> Buffer Playback...
30:26 <***> Playback Complete.
35:09 <MekkisScreen> ls
35:35 <MekkisScreen> Brunius_AFK: are you one of those people who thinks that the amount of RAM on a graphics card determines how fast it is?
37:18 <Avatar> I think he's afk
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08:41 <MekkisScreen> perhaps
12:45 <MekkisScreen> player vs player is fun, isn't it?
13:56 <Avatar> in what game
14:03 <MekkisScreen> randomly attacking party members is the key to happyness
18:55 <Avatar> in pathfinder?
18:59 <MekkisScreen> Monsters and other childish things, actually
19:01 <MekkisScreen> :)
19:06 <Avatar> what are you talking about yo
19:15 <MekkisScreen> an RPG I'm playing atm
21:58 <Avatar> you know what's a decent rpg
22:01 <Avatar> SEQUENCE
27:13 <Mekkis> the RPG-7
32:04 <MekkisScreen> the RPG-7 is pretty decent
35:52 <Avatar> what's that!
42:13 <Avatar> can't you create more than 5 characters in terraria
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