// #eevblog — 2021-07-30
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04:27:13 <T3sl4> K: https://i.imgur.com/QS39THn.jpg
04:29:43 <T3sl4> electrohead: https://i.imgur.com/eFu6Hzx.jpg
04:30:46 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/stTPwWV.jpg
04:35:16 <Ampera> I hate this and you
04:37:54 <Lord_of_nothing> hi
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05:09:45 <+electrohead> T3sl4: NO
05:09:47 <+electrohead> just, NO
05:09:49 <+electrohead> lol
05:10:03 * T3sl4 nitrosylates electrohead
05:11:06 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/TptJlk33M_E?feature=share
05:11:27 <hsn> T3sl4: where is my picture
05:11:58 <T3sl4> you get a giant tiktok logo
05:12:05 <hsn> Where
05:12:46 <hsn> I saw jlcpcb put a picture of my design on their website today
05:12:50 <hsn> Ops
05:12:53 <hsn> Jrpanel
05:13:01 <T3sl4> cute
05:14:02 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BT6FsvA6g8NRrJKw6
05:14:23 <Ampera> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270440074477436928/870383062310068314/20210729_142737.jpg
05:14:25 <Ampera> lemonade
05:14:26 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/R7ypJruHK7fJz5Yw6
05:14:52 <hsn> The one on the left https://photos.app.goo.gl/6SRNoJg9VJumXkkn8
05:15:29 <hsn> Ampera: ur bowl .. my bowl
05:15:46 <T3sl4> well bowl me over, it's fresh Amperade
05:16:00 <Ampera> it's a pot
05:16:09 <Ampera> full of lemon oleo saccharum dissolved in water
05:16:27 <hsn> I prefer rotatary encoders over pots
05:16:29 * T3sl4 candies Ampera
05:19:18 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6SRNoJg9VJumXkkn8
05:19:20 <hsn> Ops
05:20:05 <+electrohead> T3sl4: I picked up something new today, let me get you a link
05:20:25 <+electrohead> https://troegs.com/beer/lagrave/
05:20:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - LaGrave Triple Golden Ale - Tröegs Independent Brewing
05:20:36 <+electrohead> and yes, the bottle looks like that
05:21:10 <T3sl4> shmancy
05:21:26 <hsn> There was earth quake on alaska today?
05:23:12 <T3sl4> they quaked onalaska?
05:23:31 <+electrohead> who is Ona Laska?
05:26:45 <hsn> Troll until u rule
05:27:53 <T3sl4> i'll onal aska once
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05:48:21 * T3sl4 sham pag knees electrohead
05:50:15 * electrohead seenk gap mah's T3sl4
05:51:13 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/nXDTISd.jpg
05:53:59 <+electrohead> No, you're a towel.
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06:24:49 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/f/index.php?topic=728.0 Made a pizza
06:24:50 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
06:25:25 <steve30> yum
06:31:26 <T3sl4> just puree?
06:31:50 <T3sl4> crust looks quite thin going on, but then it seems to have poofed up quite nicely
06:32:22 <T3sl4> i never did quite understand thin crust, aside from basically making an... unleaved cracker or something
06:32:41 <T3sl4> so mine always end up nice and thick, which suits me well enough, i like chewy crust
06:42:14 <Nothing\> man this pulse ox i got sucks
06:42:22 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHyymJu6c4U
06:42:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Disaster Of Aeroflot Flight 593 After Child Disables Autopilot | Mayday | Wonder
06:42:28 <Nothing\> it can barely detect when my finger's in it, and it only updates every 30 seconds
06:42:41 <Nothing\> lol Lord_of_nothing
06:42:46 <Lord_of_nothing> ?
06:43:01 <Nothing\> in fairness, there is only one main control switch for autopilot on commercial planes
06:43:34 <Lord_of_nothing> wel a plane is not a toy
06:43:37 <Nothing\> they've got the main switch to enable autopilot, then switches to enable the various systems like heading, speed, vertical speed, stuff like that
07:02:11 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
07:02:15 <Ampera> how are you doing fren?
07:02:23 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
07:02:28 <Nothing\> doing pretty good, thanks buddy
07:02:31 <Nothing\> how are you?
07:02:33 <Ampera> T3sl4, thin crust is NY style
07:02:37 <Ampera> and no it's not just tomato puree
07:03:07 <Nothing\> what's chicago style then?
07:03:09 <Nothing\> deep dish?
07:03:15 <Ampera> disgusting is what it is
07:03:25 <Nothing\> spoken like a true new yorker
07:03:40 <Ampera> it's chunky tomato soup in a bread bowl with cheese on top
07:03:51 <Nothing\> lol
07:03:54 <T3sl4> i'm a pizza liberal. if it's mostly solid, and made with pizza ingredients, it's pizza.
07:04:00 <Nothing\> my favorite, is stuffed crust
07:04:09 <Nothing\> you know, that pizza with the crust stuffed with cheese
07:04:20 <Nothing\> gooodddd fucking love that shit
07:04:39 <T3sl4> doesn't matter to me if it's a leavened lasagna, or on a twice baked bagel, or etc.
07:04:55 <Nothing\> i dunno if you have little caesar's there, but here they sell this stuffed crazy bread which is basically just the crust stuffed with cheese that you dip in various sauces
07:05:15 <Ampera> what I hate the most about pizza is when you bite into it and you get a red hot cumblast of tomato sauce straight into your mouth
07:06:30 <Ampera> The best pizza is a properly made greek pizza
07:06:45 <Ampera> saying that is an offense punishable by death in NY, but it's true
07:06:49 <Ampera> greek pizza 10/10
07:08:00 <T3sl4> yeah, sauce needs to be carefully balanced
07:08:26 <T3sl4> i'm a lazy fuck and use spaghetti sauce, which is too wet to be proper. it's alright once cooled to or below room temperature
07:09:27 <Ampera> This sauce iteration was made of the following ingredients: Canned tomato puree, canned tomato paste, GOYA Adobo (seasoned salt), onion powder, fresh oregano, dry basil, sugar, paprika, and black pepper
07:09:42 <Ampera> I originally didn't have any sugar or paprika, which made a rather meh sauce
07:09:49 <Ampera> this time I put a bit too much sugar, so it was overly sweet
07:10:02 <Ampera> I'd say the canned tomato paste is also a bad idea, at least for the amount I used
07:11:01 * T3sl4 sticks a garlic clove up Ampera's butt
07:11:15 <Ampera> Ah, I forgot, I also used a crushed garlic paste from a tube
07:11:37 <Ampera> I should have probably used fresh garlic though
07:11:58 <T3sl4> ah, was gonna say
07:12:56 <Ampera> I need to do some R&D and come up with a good versatile sauce forumla
07:13:00 <Ampera> *formula
07:47:19 <Nothing\> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.
08:04:16 <Ampera> and in closing, death to Carthage
08:32:20 <Nothing\> hey guys, here's a fun activity
08:32:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, llo i just mentioned hannibal yesterday
08:32:55 <Nothing\> when i wa watching a documentary about how the chinese tried to cross the himalayan mountains to invade india
08:33:20 <Nothing\> i was like "jeez, they made not have had war elephants but did they learn nothing from hannibal?
08:34:17 <Nothing\> i love the one bit from the simpsons in the "cape fear" episode where sideshow bob gets trampled by the paradie
08:34:20 <Nothing\> parade
08:34:47 <Nothing\> if you read the flags it says something along the lines of "Cape Fear Supports Hannibal Crossing the Alps"
08:37:22 <Nothing\> huh, there's a new masters of the universe cartoon on netflix
08:39:26 <Nothing\> man, does anyone have an installer for shower with your dad simulator?
08:39:30 <Nothing\> i can't get it off tpb
08:41:11 <Nothing\> anyways i found this great series on netflix, it's a small collection of short movies, but they're directed by David Fincher, who did fight club and the social network, girl with the dragon tattoo etc
08:41:34 <Nothing\> but these short films are just trippy and profound and confusing and just a lot to take in at once
08:42:11 <Nothing\> and very random, completyl unrelatedy to eachother so you can just watch one and leave it at that if that's all you wanted to watch
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09:09:40 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:17:52 <Halcyon> Fuck I hate Microsoft Outlook
09:23:48 * steve30 claws at Halcyon
09:23:57 <steve30> Claws Mail, that is :D
09:27:01 <Halcyon> :P
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09:43:48 <Nothing\> yay my new printer came in
09:43:55 <Nothing\> now for the headache of installing it
09:44:11 <Nothing\> truth be told, i've never EVER had a single printer that worked as it should
09:44:34 <Nothing\> same with microphones, but that's more down to windows' default software
09:44:40 * Ampera approves of claws mail
09:44:48 <Nothing\> morning Halcyon
09:45:36 <Nothing\> https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/inkjet-multifunction/tr-series-inkjet/pixma-tr4520/pixma-tr4520-
09:45:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Not Found
09:45:40 <Nothing\> there's the printer i got
09:45:51 <Nothing\> oops 4040
09:45:55 <Nothing\> https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/inkjet-multifunction/tr-series-inkjet/pixma-tr4520/pixma-tr4520
09:45:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Canon U.S.A., Inc. | PIXMA TR4520
09:46:11 <Nothing\> acidentally hit an extra - with the return key
09:46:34 <Nothing\> seems pretty good for mainly printing out black and white documents
09:50:13 <DHess_US> I've had excellent results and no problems with Canon printers.
09:50:39 <Nothing\> that's good to know
09:51:06 <Nothing\> i got this generic wireless printer a few months ago that used some proprietary app on your phone that i couldn't get to work for life of me
09:51:34 <Nothing\> on paper it was a fine idea, but they exucted it poorl
09:51:35 <Nothing\> y
09:51:50 <Nothing\> and who knows how many of my documents they're saving to their own servers
09:52:25 <Nothing\> my cats are being lazy, they won't help me set this up
09:52:34 <Nothing\> i wanna scan my cat's butthole
09:54:29 <steve30> Just scan Halcyon instead
09:56:45 <DHess_US> I currently have a Brother inkjet and I am not happy with it.
09:56:54 <DHess_US> The software and drivers are a disaster area.
09:57:11 * steve30 has a Canon iP4000
09:57:24 <steve30> and a LaserJet 4M Plus of course
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10:15:56 <Halcyon> Nothing\, you are strange
10:22:21 <Nothing\> thanks Halcyon
10:22:25 <Nothing\> :P
10:22:36 <Nothing\> still setting up this damned printer
10:23:17 <Nothing\> if this doesn't work, i'm gonna gonna bite the bullet and get geeksquad in here cuz i'm suck of mucking about with printers for 25 year-
10:24:51 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:24:59 <Halcyon> \o/
10:25:06 <Ampera> how are you doing
10:25:25 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK. It's Friday! YAY!
10:25:35 <Halcyon> And the weather is meant to be 20+ degrees this weekend, which is awesome!
10:25:38 <Ampera> you and your incorrect calendars
10:25:46 <Ampera> that's pretty cold
10:25:58 <Halcyon> In proper units, degrees C
10:26:03 <Ampera> weather has been in the 70's and 80's
10:26:16 <Ampera> why are they more proper than Fahrenheit
10:26:24 <steve30> its forecast rain here for today
10:26:43 <Ampera> there really is no objective advantage to each other, and are largely arbitrary
10:26:49 <Halcyon> Because almost no one uses Degrees F
10:27:10 <Ampera> More people in the US use Fahrenheit than exist in Australia
10:27:22 <Halcyon> No basically no one
10:27:41 <Halcyon> AFAIK the USA is the only country left that uses it
10:28:02 <Nothing\> first thing i'm doing when i get this printer set up is printing the manual for all of my zachlike games
10:28:19 <Halcyon> Nothing\, beats printing pictures of your cats asshole
10:29:06 <Ampera> It's easier for me to operate in Fahrenheit where I live than in Celsius. If anything Celsius is worse since nobody uses it for common purposes here
10:29:17 <Halcyon> Because you lot are weird :P
10:29:27 <Nothing\> especiallyo for TIS-100, exapunks and shenzhen i/o
10:29:35 <Ampera> We didn't lose a war against emus
10:29:48 <Halcyon> Because the emus are crafty
10:29:50 <Nothing\> you get more resultion withfarenthelt as a scal
10:29:50 <Nothing\> e
10:30:23 <Ampera> aye, for integer use in weather, Fahrenheit is a more natural scale, and has better resolution
10:30:25 <Halcyon> That's what decimal places are for :P
10:30:39 <Ampera> nobody uses decimal places in casual conversation
10:30:49 <Halcyon> So hardly a positive or unique features of Fahrenheit
10:30:58 <Ampera> but to use a clasically used trope, 100C is literally dead and 0C is nothing special
10:31:04 <Halcyon> No, because no one gives a shit that it's 20.52 degrees C
10:31:57 <Ampera> That's my point, nobody uses decimal degrees in every day speech, making C less accurate than F for every day purposes
10:32:19 <Halcyon> But the "accuracy" doesn't matter
10:32:27 <Ampera> C may be a more practical scale for scientific or industrial purposes, where you'd actually care to know about the freezing and boiling points of water and work between them
10:32:36 <Ampera> It does to a degree.
10:32:36 <Nothing\> ugh instealling a new printer is not what i wanted to while tripping balls and on lots of seedatives
10:32:48 <Nothing\> i just wanted to relax and go brain dead
10:32:51 <Halcyon> The difference between 10 F and 12 F is imperceivable
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10:32:57 <Nothing\> on the plus side, it's keeping me awake
10:33:13 <Ampera> I can perveice it. I'd rather it be 12F than 10F
10:33:18 <Ampera> er, perceive
10:33:23 <Nothing\> Halcyon, did you know there's abolutely no difference between 40f an 40 c
10:33:33 <Ampera> Nothing\, that is untrue, you're missing a negative sign
10:33:37 <Halcyon> Nothing\, yes there is, 40 C is better :P
10:33:38 <Nothing\> i ound that out one ay during a particularl harsh coldsnap
10:33:52 <Nothing\> Ampera, indeed, thanks for pointing that out, bro
10:34:16 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol 40c is anything bu better
10:34:30 <Ampera> 40F is a cool day, but not quite cold
10:34:36 <Ampera> 40C is hotter than it has ever been in upstate NY
10:34:46 <Nothing\> yup
10:34:53 <Halcyon> Also, your argument about US citizens in AU using degrees F seems to be opinion at best. I know more people in the US who use Celsius by default, particularly with cooking
10:35:01 <Ampera> 0F is a cold day, 50F is neither a cold nor a warm day, 100F is a hot day
10:35:07 <Ampera> what?
10:35:12 <Nothing\> 104 degrees f is wwhat 40 C is
10:35:19 <Ampera> I mean most people in the US use both
10:35:25 <Nothing\> 04 ifs a frigid day
10:35:30 <Nothing\> er
10:35:32 <Nothing\> 0f
10:35:34 <Ampera> that's the sad part about getting mad at all of this, because we do use both where necessary
10:35:45 <Halcyon> You look at a lot of chefs on Youtube from the US, Fahrenheit is usually used as a secondary or bracketed
10:35:55 <Halcyon> Same with pounds, oz. etc,,,
10:35:56 <Ampera> I have never once looked at a chef on YouTube
10:36:02 <Halcyon> Oh well
10:36:07 * steve30 lols at Dave's pronounciation of Derbyshire
10:36:08 <Ampera> I think maybe I once saw a barry lewis video where he blew up a toaster
10:36:20 <Halcyon> I don't could Barry Lewis
10:36:23 <Halcyon> *count
10:36:23 <Ampera> Not a single one of my US cookbooks contain temperatures in celsius
10:36:33 <Nothing\> i never cared for cooking shows, except one we had up here called "yan can cook" because he adedd some fun and joking to his segments
10:36:35 <Ampera> why, he's a chef
10:36:39 <Ampera> well, at least he cooks
10:36:40 <Halcyon> He's a cook
10:36:48 <+electrohead> someone sent dave a vibrator LOL
10:36:58 <Nothing\> haha
10:36:58 <Halcyon> electrohead, did he release his new mailbag?
10:37:01 <Ampera> the casual meaning is identical outside of a professional kitchen
10:37:11 <+electrohead> yeah just earlier
10:37:11 <Halcyon> I disagree.
10:37:15 <Nothing\> electrohead, vibrators are pretty simple technology
10:37:22 <Halcyon> Chef implies formal training, even in casual conversation.
10:37:24 <Nothing\> just have a motor with an off centered weight on it
10:37:31 <Nothing\> and there's your vibrator
10:37:44 <+electrohead> yes, Nothing\ ..
10:37:45 <Ampera> In that case my mom would be a chef, despite usually only ever cooking for herself
10:37:47 <+electrohead> lol
10:37:48 <Nothing\> then just build it so the vibrations don't taear it aapart
10:37:53 <Ampera> chef means the chief of a kitchen (funny the name)
10:37:56 <Halcyon> If you said to someone you were a "chef" here, you'd probably be asked where you worked/trained.
10:38:31 <Ampera> In that context yes, but for instance, if one were at someone's house for dinner, they may pay compliments to the chef
10:38:41 <Halcyon> That's "Head chef"
10:38:57 <Ampera> well yes you can have chiefs of chiefs
10:38:58 <Nothing\> okay you guyn are distracting from me intalling my new printer
10:39:02 <Nothing\> so i'll get back to that
10:39:03 <Nothing\> ta ta
10:39:08 <Halcyon> Have fun
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10:39:13 * Ampera grabs Halcyon's volumptuous ta tas
10:39:22 * Halcyon giggles
10:39:45 <Halcyon> electrohead, I'm surprised it has taken this long for someone to send Dave a sex toy
10:39:46 <Ampera> every time you're in here with me you do nothing but bicker and argue about everything I say or do
10:39:56 <Ampera> I can't even go to the store without you bickering about what I buy
10:40:21 <Halcyon> Because you're silly and wrong :P
10:40:23 <Ampera> doesn't matter what it is, if I do something differently you get mad
10:40:33 <Ampera> it's irritating
10:40:34 <Halcyon> Nah. mostly because I know I'll get a rise out of you
10:40:36 <+electrohead> Halcyon: actually it's happened once or twice in the past, if I recall correctly
10:40:37 <Halcyon> Most people don't care
10:40:42 <Halcyon> electrohead, has it?
10:41:22 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you have any good suggestions for a spot welder for battery tabbing?
10:41:32 <Halcyon> Nope, never done it.
10:41:44 <Ampera> I asked on the forum and there were one or two ideas, but most of it was either kits or high end professional units beyond my budget
10:42:35 <+electrohead> I've come across a few semi-decent spot welders on ebay, both new and used
10:42:44 <+electrohead> of course, they weren't the complete high end units
10:43:46 <Ampera> I just need something that can do a solid spot weld without bursting into flames or blowing up the battery
10:43:57 <steve30> I think someone sent him a hole warmer once, like the one bigclive did
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10:58:43 <+electrohead> Ampera: if you're up for it - https://www.amazon.com/Welder-Machine-Battery-protable-Storage/dp/B08B4RJ58B
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10:59:27 <Ampera> I just really don't trust things like that, and I'd prefer something I can plug in, in case I want to do a bunch at a time
11:10:14 <+electrohead> yeah there are mixed reviews on that one
11:10:23 <+electrohead> I mean, if you really want to, just make your own?
11:10:43 <+electrohead> microwave transformer is the main part you need, then need to replace the secondary coil
11:11:07 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrpLw1W3P1_BC4J-Hpytww
11:13:58 <Ampera> I am nowhere near capable nor competent enough to build one, and never will be
11:14:10 <Halcyon> Argh that crusty old Soviet torch
11:14:23 <Ampera> if I am concerned about a shitty spot welder being dangerous, making my own would be on an order of magnitude worse
11:15:30 <Ampera> https://www.keenlab.de/index.php/product/kweld-complete-kit/
11:15:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - kWeld – complete kit | keenlab
11:15:43 <Ampera> I've been thinking about this one, which looks decent, but it looks a bit hard to get, and has a price tag
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11:39:00 <+electrohead> if you get it, let me know how it is
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11:46:35 <Ampera> I have a bunch of other stuff I need to do before I actually will want to have that spot welder anyways
11:46:58 <Ampera> the laptop I'm working on restoring needs to be cleaned up from the NiCd pack in there leaking all over the place
11:47:13 <Ampera> gonna do a full recap, as I hear that's a common issue with this model
11:47:37 <Ampera> also need to get a power brick for it, could just be a plain 12V one I solder the correct barrel plug to
11:47:57 <Ampera> the case is part metal and part plastic, but it's all painted and needs a complete respray
11:48:25 <Ampera> some parts need retrobright, so I'm gonna end up setting up my idea for an experimental no-consumable retrobright system
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12:15:50 * Ampera pets steve30
12:16:36 <steve30> hehe, i like dave's choice of tshirt in the mailbag :D
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12:48:22 <Nothing\> man, this printer works a treate
12:49:02 <Nothing\> except after printing just 50 pages of documenation for games, my black inks as almoy half
12:49:10 <Nothing\> almost
12:55:29 <Halcyon> Yep, inkjets will do that
12:55:59 <DHess_US> Some newer printers like the Brother one I got have huge ink tanks.
12:56:20 <Halcyon> How much do they cost to refill/replace?
13:00:24 <DHess_US> Printer I got, https://www.amazon.com/Brother-MFCJ6945DW-INKvestment-Wireless-Printing/dp/B07GD52JR4
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13:00:46 <DHess_US> $55 for black, but it prints like 2000 pages or something
13:01:05 <DHess_US> says 6000 pages
13:01:17 <Halcyon> That's not too bad. I've always found Brother to be pretty reasonable on their replacement ink/toner prices
13:01:39 <DHess_US> Canon has a similar printer. I would have prefered the Canon but it was missing something.
13:01:47 <Halcyon> Something?
13:02:42 <DHess_US> Canon doesn't, or didn't, have a large ink tank multifunction printer.
13:04:34 <DHess_US> The Brother one is 11x17
13:04:44 <DHess_US> The Canon is limited to 8.5" wide
13:05:43 <Halcyon> Right
13:05:44 <Nothing\> well this sucks
13:05:59 <Nothing\> i've got several hundred pages of stuff i've been wanting to print out
13:06:01 <DHess_US> Canon makes an 11x17 but it doesn't use the large ink tanks.
13:06:25 <Nothing\> but i need folders and separators and stuff
13:09:05 <DHess_US> The Brother also doesn't have very good print quality compared to my old 11x17 Canon
13:09:30 <Halcyon> Interesting
13:16:35 <DHess_US> One of the problems with the Brother is that the software won't allow configuration of the printer on a different subnet. The printer must be on the same subnet inside the same broadcast domain, so no VLAN.
13:17:00 <Halcyon> What do you mean?
13:17:10 <Halcyon> I have my Brother printer on a totally different VLAN
13:22:29 <Halcyon> You don't need any fancy software to configure it either, just login to the web interface, enter your network settings, reboot and you're done.
13:22:55 <Halcyon> The software just makes it "easy" for a typical user to configure.
13:25:20 <DHess_US> Sure, I can do that, but I can't get the driver to use an IP on a different subnet. It finds the printer, and then says it doesn't exist.
13:25:36 <DHess_US> There is no way to install the driver.
13:26:18 <Halcyon> Have you enabled rules on your firewall to allow traffic on those ports to that VLAN?
13:26:33 <DHess_US> In part of the installation, you select whether it should automatically detect the printer using IP broadcasting, or you can enter the IP. If you enter the IP, it continues after it finds the printer, and then it fails later.
13:26:52 <DHess_US> What part of "It finds the printer" did you miss?
13:26:54 <Halcyon> Again, this is using their software? Just install the print driver manualluy
13:27:08 <Halcyon> Yes "Finding the printer" means nothing.
13:27:12 <Halcyon> You need to be more specific
13:27:28 <DHess_US> I enter the IP, the installer identifies the printer correctly, and then the driver can't see it later.
13:27:32 <Halcyon> Does "finding" mean that it can ping it? Can it actually talk to it on the port/protocol it's expecting?
13:27:48 <DHess_US> I can go back and set the IP after installation, and the driver never finds the printer.
13:27:58 <Halcyon> Have you checked firewall logs?
13:28:02 <DHess_US> It just objects that there is no printer, yet it finds it earlier.
13:28:16 <DHess_US> That is with a permit all rule.
13:28:25 <DHess_US> If finds the fucking printer initially, but not later.
13:28:25 <Halcyon> Hm
13:28:30 <Halcyon> Windows?
13:28:43 <DHess_US> Yes, and I called brother, and they said they don't support VLANs or separate subnets.
13:29:00 <DHess_US> Of course maybe their customer support are idiots.
13:29:05 <Halcyon> Yes by "don't support" means their tech support won't/can't support it, the device itself supports it.
13:29:30 <Halcyon> Are you installing the driver manually, or using their software to detect it?
13:29:43 <DHess_US> Everything else I have works fine between those subnets on separate interfaces, except the printer.
13:29:58 <DHess_US> Neither
13:30:16 <Halcyon> So how are you going about installing the driver then?
13:30:22 <DHess_US> Because the software can't detect a printer not in the same broadcast domain.
13:30:35 <DHess_US> I already said.
13:30:41 <Halcyon> OK... so you're installing it manually?
13:31:03 <DHess_US> I used the installer, and when it asks whether to autodect, which won't work, or use the entered IP, I enter the IP, and that part works.
13:31:17 <Halcyon> Yeh forget auto detect, it almost never works in Windows
13:31:29 <DHess_US> It works just fine if the printer is in the same broadcast domain.
13:31:45 <Halcyon> In Windows, you can enter ANY IP or hostname, it doesn't even have to exist, it will still let you create a port and install a driver.
13:31:54 <DHess_US> That isn't what happens.
13:32:01 <Halcyon> Then you're doing it wrong.
13:32:17 <Halcyon> And dumb question, are you actually configuring the printer itself on that different subnet first?
13:33:20 <DHess_US> I'm doing exactly what Brother said to do, and then part of the software works and can find the printer, and part of it cannot.
13:33:36 <Halcyon> Forget what Brother said to do. I am happy to help you if you want to start over?
13:33:48 <DHess_US> I'm not interested.
13:33:54 <Halcyon> *shrug*
13:34:05 <DHess_US> You cannot help when you do not listen.
13:34:22 <Halcyon> But I can tell you that their network printers, DO work on other VLANs. It's something you're doing that doesn't work.
13:34:36 <Halcyon> If you don't want my assistance, then live with it on the same network as your PC
13:34:39 <DHess_US> Their software is broken.
13:34:48 <Halcyon> You don't *NEED* their software at all
13:36:17 <Halcyon> Their packaged software is designed for end users that have one simple flat network design that just want to plug it in, install and go.
13:36:21 <Halcyon> You are not that user.
13:36:30 <Halcyon> You are trying to make their software do what it's not designed to do.
13:37:23 <Halcyon> Secondly, I have to ask, since you weren't clear... what's the purpose of a different VLAN if you are just using an any/any rule anyway?
13:38:41 <DHess_US> Which explains why the software asks for a manually entered IP, and then correctly identifies the pritner.
13:38:57 <Halcyon> What's your point?
13:39:03 <DHess_US> I'm using the any/any rule to get the fucking thing working.
13:39:21 <Halcyon> Just because it asks for an IP, doesn't mean that it designed to detect and install printers on a totally different subnet.
13:39:36 <DHess_US> Unlike Brother's software, my router allows changing configuration at any time.
13:40:13 <Halcyon> You keep saying "software"... why are you using their software at all? Configure the printer, download the standalone driver, use Windows printer settings to install said driver.
13:40:24 <DHess_US> And doesn't even require a reboot and doesn't lose state.
13:40:47 <DHess_US> How about, "because it doesn't fucking work".
13:41:14 <Halcyon> Well you've said you didn't want my help. So not much else I can do for you. You're doing something wrong. *shrug*
13:41:38 <DHess_US> The only thing I did wrong was expect a printer from Brother to work properly.
13:41:57 <Halcyon> I'd be more than happy to talk you through it otherwise if you'd just like to calm down, take a breath and accept that I might actually know a thing or two.
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15:13:52 <Nothing\> huh
15:13:53 <Nothing\> weird
15:14:03 <Halcyon> What's wrong Nothing\ ?
15:14:11 <Nothing\> i just tried printing a website in color and it looks all washed out
15:14:14 <Nothing\> oversaturated
15:14:31 <Nothing\> but i just went with the default settings so i would imagine that should be fine
15:14:37 <Halcyon> Printing websites can be hit and miss. Browsers like to try to render things their own way sometimes.
15:14:42 <Nothing\> it was just a post from steam
15:14:51 <Halcyon> Do you get the same result if you print a screen capture image?
15:15:07 <Nothing\> ooh good idea
15:15:09 <Nothing\> lemme see
15:16:48 <Nothing\> huh i dunno where the site even went
15:16:59 <Nothing\> guess any old steam post will do
15:17:10 <Halcyon> *nod*
15:18:55 <Nothing\> yeah, came out crystal clear
15:19:05 <Halcyon> Yep, so it's your browser fucking with you
15:19:12 <Nothing\> dangit
15:19:16 <Halcyon> \o/
15:19:40 <Nothing\> guess since it's just the text i'm after i could just covert it into raw text
15:19:58 <Halcyon> Yeh you might need to do some copy/pasting/reformatting for your needs
15:20:21 <Nothing\> unless steam just doesn't want people printing stuff from their site for some reason
15:20:59 <Nothing\> but then, how are people to print out receipts
15:21:09 <Halcyon> I don't think it's a deliberate effort to stop you. Most webpages aren't really designed for printing. They are designed to display nicely on the screen.
15:21:09 <Nothing\> i think that would cause a bit of an uproar
15:21:21 <Nothing\> right
15:21:41 <Nothing\> i'll have to have a butcher's online and see what fixes i can find for it
15:21:55 <Nothing\> it's not a pertinent issue, just on which confused me
15:22:01 <Nothing\> otherwise, i love my new printer
15:22:11 <Halcyon> :)
15:22:23 <Nothing\> after not having one for 20 years, it's a breath of fresh air
15:22:32 <Halcyon> Hehehehe
15:22:37 <Halcyon> That's a long time
15:23:25 <Nothing\> till now i never had a printer that worked right, nor did my mom so i just had to use the library
15:25:23 <Halcyon> It's really handy. I used to do my colour printing at work, until I just bought myself a colour printer about 6 months ago.
15:25:28 <Halcyon> Just makes life easier.
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