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07:57 * Ysjoelfir pokes Ampera
08:07 <Ampera> oh god you idiot
08:16 <Ampera> hope it doesn't disintegrate like mine did :P
08:47 <Ampera> Lenovo's consumer gear is notoriously terrible, even hardened Lenovo fans agree.
10:17 <Ysjoelfir> :P I read like a million of reviews. seems like the 2020/21 series are very robust. I didn't find a single negative one tbh, which is why I decided to be brave despite you telling me to be carefull with lenovo consumer class stuff ^^ otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
10:28 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:48 <Ampera> mine is a very similar form factor, and the plastic is flimsy, cracking, and half the screws have fallen out because they didn't loctite any of them
10:54 <Ampera> and the case flex wiggled them loose
11:27 <Ysjoelfir> this one has a full aluminium case
11:37 <Ampera> does it?
11:42 <Ampera> looks like plastic in the picture, but if it does, then it does
11:56 <Ampera> Otherwise mine is an alright laptop for the price, had 20GB of RAM, a decent CPU (for the time)
12:04 <Ysjoelfir> its supposed to have. Its been sent out today, so I will hopefully be able to check that wednesday :P
12:18 <Ampera> I'm kinda wondering what I might do for a laptop myself
32:55 <coppice> I'm kinda wondering what a laptop might do for me
37:12 <Ampera> Be hot, loud, irritating, expensive, and break in 5 years if you're lucky
37:37 <coppice> are you thinking of kids
37:44 <Ampera> no, I'm thinking of the children.
37:58 <Ampera> god, why won't someone think of the children
37:59 <T3sl4> ask not what your laptop can do for you
38:02 <coppice> ah, a paedo
38:34 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/09cHfZo.jpg
39:10 <Tezzers> The SF gay choir is thinking about the children
39:49 <Ampera> I didn't even watch that video, and I am rather glad I didn't
40:10 <Ampera> how are you doing Tezzers
40:18 <coppice> was that for real, or just dark humour?
40:40 <T3sl4> Tezzers: oh no, it's real cannibal shia lebeouf
40:41 <Ampera> coppice, afaik the people in the video he's talking about were actual pedophiles
40:44 <Tezzers> The day it was posted they already figured out at least a half dozen members of that choir were convicted sex offenders, and I think 4 were convicted for lew/lascivious with a child <14
41:29 <T3sl4> ...ah, or the alleged real pedo choir singing about shia labeouf
41:32 <Ampera> Legalizing gay marriage was the worst thing to ever happen to the gay rights movement, now all that's left are these dickheads
42:23 <Tezzers> "We’ll convert your children," a soloist sings in the video. "Happens bit by bit. Quietly and subtly. And you will barely notice it. You can keep them from disco. Warn about San Francisco. Make ’em wear pleated pants. We don’t care. We’ll convert your children. We’ll make them tolerant and fair. ... We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children."
43:09 <coppice> legalizing gay marriage was the cause of a lot of what's messed up now. it was the last of the totally rational liberalisation moves, leaving activists nothing to do but go crazy
43:34 <Tezzers> They've come to the UK now though. Rainbow monkey dildo strap ons on a drag queen at CHILDRENS STORY READING HOUR AT LONDON PUBLIC LIBRARY.
44:15 <Tezzers> Assless chaps, rainbow monkey dildo, full unicorn rainbow drag, at the children's library.
44:33 <Tezzers> And it wasn't one. They signed a contract for multiple events.
45:18 <Ampera> Didn't the council get super ultra mad that people rightfully freaked the fuck out about that one?
45:26 <Tezzers> And when they were done they ran to the street and started twerking or air humping or some shit in front of the library holding up signs
45:41 <Tezzers> They made a twitter apology and said the contract was cancelled
46:01 <Tezzers> Which is I guess a huge deal that they admitted wrongdoing by making an apology.
46:07 <Tezzers> But I doubt anyone got fired over it
46:43 <Tezzers> coppice , T3sl4 , did you guys hear about KIDS AT KINK? :D
47:08 * T3sl4 bends Tezzers sharply
47:32 <Tezzers> For years they've been selling kink gear for kids at Folsom.
47:47 <Tezzers> But now they openly proclaim that kids MUST be exposed to kink
48:37 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/S1Mra.gif
49:21 <Ampera> I guess as a pedophile there's not a whole lot you can do besides fuck with the world to try to make it acceptable.
49:54 <Tezzers> I guess you didn't know that an ungodly amount of people on Twitter support MAP rights.
50:01 <Ampera> It's a startling revelation to think that homosexuality and pedophilia aren't all that different, only that one is demonstrably harmless, and one is very much not.
50:02 <T3sl4> i mean, there's probably some amount of that that's healthy, as an element of sex ed. i haven't a clue how much would be appropriate in that case, and i doubt they're being quite that careful
50:09 <Tezzers> "If you accept gay rights, you MUST accept MAP rights, they're no different"
51:28 <Ampera> The funniest are the 14 year old MAPs/MAP supporters on Twitter
51:38 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : How about sex ed is strictly clinical, and let parents tell their kids what they want their kids knowing further. Anything else kids will find online anyway for themselves
51:54 <Tezzers> Ah yes, the brainwashed youth.
52:09 <Tezzers> 14 year old sally has a crush on 13 year old jimmy, so they must both be MAPs
52:20 <K> whats a map?
52:26 <Tezzers> Pedophile
52:26 <K> dont wanna google
52:28 <K> ah.
52:30 <Ampera> K, woke pedophile
52:31 <T3sl4> parents willfully and gleefully keep their kids ignorant, it runs in the family
52:31 <Tezzers> Minor Attracted Person
52:31 <K> fuck that.
52:37 <Ampera> basically pedophile is tainted, let's confuse them with MAPs
52:53 <Tezzers> The usual far left tactic
52:55 <Ampera> The education of children is an entirely irritating topic, purely because a good number of people intend to educate children in /their/ beliefs
53:24 <Tezzers> Lets perpetually change definitions of words so you can never argue with us and we're never wrong
53:24 <Ampera> When someone believes something, they think that they are correct, and that obviously, that information should be spread to children.
53:46 <T3sl4> there is at least one thing we can look forward to. if pedophiles are seen as people rather than demons, maybe they can actually get the help they need, rather than letting them roam as criminals like we do now
53:50 <Ampera> The one advantage of relying on parents to influence their children's education is you get what a society should have, a diversity of thought, belief, and opinion.
54:20 <T3sl4> i don't think there's even any known treatment, because who would touch that subject
54:26 <Ampera> T3sl4, that sounds all nice and good, when you realize that mental help has, for much of history and to this day, consisted of locking people into rooms and treating them as demons.
54:35 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : The only way to help a pedophile is to chemically castrate them. And that won't do shit unless they take their meds. And how do you enforce that? You won't be able to.
54:46 <T3sl4> yes yes we all know about your fantasies Ampera
54:59 <Ampera> Not a fantasy, it's a living hell much of my immediate family had to live with.,
55:07 <T3sl4> Tezzers: my point exactly
55:19 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : Not to mention, you have to catch them first.
55:46 <Tezzers> And then you have the people screaming about kiddy porn is good kiddy porn should be decriminalized, it lets pedos cope.
55:47 <T3sl4> Tezzers: my point exactly
56:07 <T3sl4> you can't treat, that which is undiagnosable
56:26 <T3sl4> before it's gone criminal, that is
56:51 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : There's an easy treatment, but people won't do it. If you find out they're a pedophile through their acts, or their self-admission, you lock tehm up and literally throw away the key, or you kill them.
57:24 <T3sl4> you're proving my point?
57:38 <T3sl4> you can't treat something that hides and with good reason
57:57 <Tezzers> They get caught every day and get released
58:15 <Tezzers> NYC fucking released dozens of convicted sex offenders because OHMUHGOD MUH COVID
58:19 <T3sl4> if they had some reason to come forward and volunteer that information, in a trusted and protected environment, that is able to provide meaningful treatment rather than demonization and incarceration
58:22 <Tezzers> And they put them in HOTELS NEAR SCHOOLS
58:49 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : And how do you treat it?
59:12 <Tezzers> Talk therapy and rub one out to photos of kids?
59:12 <T3sl4> >T3sl4: i don't think there's even any known treatment, because who would touch that subject
59:32 <Tezzers> There aren't any known treatments because there's no way to fix it.
59:42 <T3sl4> how do you know?
59:47 <T3sl4> oh god are you a pedophile and you've tried?
59:51 <Tezzers> How do I fix being gay?
59:55 <Ampera> They tried really hard to fix gay people
00:03 <Tezzers> I hate that I'm gay. I don't like the fact that I'm attracted to men.
00:08 <Tezzers> How do I fix that?
01:30 <T3sl4> you, fix that by finding acceptance
01:42 <Tezzers> You can not accept pedophiles.
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01:50 <T3sl4> pedos, well if there's no research how would you know
02:15 <T3sl4> are literally 100% of them "MAP" in exactly the same way that a gay person is what they are?
03:10 <Ampera> I would wager we'll likely never know, because people would much rather believe in political dogma rather than actually learn the truth.
03:28 <Ampera> There is more than one kind of wrong answer in science.
03:52 <Tezzers> If you're a pedophile, and you never get caught, and you never diddled any kids, then I guess you didn't need treatment.
04:01 <Tezzers> But if you did, how can you ever say they're rehabilitated?
04:21 <Tezzers> How can you ensure they won't stop taking their meds and grab on another kid?
04:33 <Tezzers> Not worth the risk. Lock them up, put them down :shrug:
04:37 <Ampera> Perhaps the only real solution for pedophiles is abstinence, those who are capable of doing so can find treatment largely within themselves, and those who can't
04:38 <Ampera> well
04:46 <Ampera> I suppose we're wondering what to do with those who can't.
05:07 <Tezzers> Those who can't are the ones that are largely the ones getting caught
05:19 <T3sl4> i mean, if your only answer is life imprisonment or execution, you're already excusing yourself from any meaningful debate
05:45 <Ampera> T3sl4, pretty rich coming from the guy who believes "nazis" aren't people
05:58 <T3sl4> Ampera, cite?
06:16 <Ampera> brb, pulling logs
06:50 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : I don't think tehre's any meaningful debate to be had. Once you grab on kids there's no chance in hell thatI'll ever believe you're cured or rehabilitated.
07:26 <Ampera> May 05 11:25:17 <T3sl4> it's a good chance that antivax in this country is the same 40% of the population that thinks nazis are people too
07:28 <T3sl4> ok then you just keep that opinion over there off to the side -->
07:53 <T3sl4> Ampera: nice
07:55 <Ampera> Considering you are presumably not antivax, the only conclusion is that you believe nazis aren't people
08:13 <Ampera> so unless you're going to pull an it was a joke card, you're a hypocrite.
08:23 <T3sl4> i mean, it's on you if you take the hyperbole literally
08:47 <Ampera> It's only hyperbole if it comes back to bite you in the ass :P
08:50 <T3sl4> they're still people. they're just highly punchable people
09:01 <Tezzers> I'm concerned that you think it's reasonable to experiment and study pedophiles and take the risk that they'll reoffend because "Well we just don't know enough about them right now"
09:14 <Ampera> Ah yes, beating people up, way better than life imprisonment
09:44 <T3sl4> Ampera: ah yes, committing genocide, way better than getting beaten up
10:22 <T3sl4> Tezzers: i mean, psychologists could work with current prisoners, how is that any additional risk to society
11:03 <Tezzers> To talk to current inmates? It's not. It's a risk when they say "We think we can treat this person" and then decide to release them.
11:06 <T3sl4> not that that would necessarily be the most honest / uncoerced environment to do such work in, but it would be something
11:44 <Tezzers> If you're convicted of grabbing on kids I will never accept that some talk therapy and you're healed and rehabilitated.
12:00 <T3sl4> you're REALLY jumping the shark here, okay?
12:04 <T3sl4> i said research
12:05 <T3sl4> research.
12:12 <Ampera> that's not what jumping the shark means
12:14 <Tezzers> And I'll never accept "Oh, you just need to take these meds for the rest of your life to resist those urges", because what about if they decide to stop taking the meds one day? What happens if they run out one day?
12:29 <Tezzers> The research won't get you anything.
12:47 <T3sl4> a possible outcome of such research is proving that rehabilitation isn't possible, in which case you get your apparent wish
12:50 <Tezzers> If they're broken, how do you fix it? Meds, or talk.
12:55 <T3sl4> i don't know why you don't see that possibility
13:04 <Tezzers> Is there some pedophile brain area that they can just cut out of their brain and pedophilia gone?
13:06 <K> would someone please think of the sharks.
13:39 <T3sl4> it may well be possible in the future to develop a chemical or surgical treatment. at current state of art, it seems that's a long ways off
13:53 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : What possibility is there? What treatments do we have for any other kind of mental disorder that's not talk therapy or pills?
14:15 <T3sl4> K: https://i.imgur.com/c51SJgp.gif
14:25 <Ampera> I'd wonder about the societal implications of that. If one could cure pedophilia, it's quite likely one could cure homosexuality too
14:42 <Ampera> They're both sexual attractions intrinsic to the people who experience them
14:43 <K> im not opening that
15:06 <T3sl4> Ampera: indeed
15:23 <Ampera> That's why I highly doubt that research would ever be done, and partially for that reason.
15:43 <Ampera> Most people are content for pedophiles to jump around the infinite hell that is the prison system, so long as they're out of society's way
15:43 <T3sl4> one could be not just transgender but trans orientation as well
15:57 <Ampera> and it's really bad PR to start caring about pedophiles, even when the intentions are genuine
16:05 <Ampera> what is trans orientation
16:19 <T3sl4> a phrase i made up, is its meaning not obvious?
16:34 <T3sl4> Ampera: well yes, but most people are also comfortable with genocides, so, that's not exactly a rational moral basis
17:01 <Ampera> I'm pressing X to doubt on that one, but it's likely more comfortable for you to think that.
17:17 <T3sl4> well, not so much "most" in that case as, more like 40%, a commanding minority; but enough that the majority doesn't feel confident enough to act in defense of it
17:28 <Ampera> There's that 40% figure again
17:31 <Ampera> what a nice round number
17:37 <T3sl4> it's funny how that keeps popping up
17:46 <Tezzers> Where do you get 40% of the population is fine with genocide?
17:56 <Tezzers> Is that some big bad white supremacy in the US number?
18:12 <Ampera> Tezzers, probably someone roughly guessed the number of trump supporters and decided that must = genocide
18:34 <Ampera> you know, because if you vote for someone, you must completely and totally agree with anything and everything they say think or do
18:54 <Tezzers> Ampera : Of course, the trump supporters! The one who are...indoctrinating your children...and walking around congress explicitly saying "The nazis got one thing right...you have to get the children"
19:10 <T3sl4> Ampera: actually those are numbers from actualnazis, or other similar situations
19:33 <T3sl4> but it's the same psychological process in any population, so it applies to recent events as well
20:04 <Ampera> Let me get that straight, you're saying because, supposedly, 40% of Nazi Germany were nazis, in any general population, 40% of the people will be nazis?
20:08 <Ampera> uhhhh
20:18 <Tezzers> Illinois democrat congresswoman who was just elected in video recorded speech: "If we win a few elections, we’re still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle," Miller is heard saying in the footage. "Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future.’”
20:38 <T3sl4> oof
21:08 <K> big oof
21:21 <rust_collector> hmm? is that wrong?
22:03 <T3sl4> i mean, hitler was right about many things, but acknowledging such in a public speech is generally not a good idea
22:04 <K> is that really something worth giving credit for?
22:09 <Tezzers> It's true. The fact that she said that makes it obvious what her plans are.
22:11 <T3sl4> well, outside of the far right, right now
22:31 <Tezzers> LOL. That lady is far right?
22:32 <Tezzers> Okay.
22:50 <Tezzers> Far right were the people screaming to defund the police too, right?
22:59 <Ampera> T3sl4, you're like a demented shelled out WW2 vet who does nothing but complain in their armchair about those fecking nazis
23:27 <Ampera> If you try to see evil in everyone, you will see it, even if it's not actually there.
23:44 <T3sl4> you're really struggling to find new ways to invalidate me, aren't you
24:10 <K> winds up your coils
24:15 <Ampera> Not really, you're kinda doing it to yourself.
24:36 <Ampera> I'm just enjoying the self-owns
24:37 <T3sl4> Tezzers: after the police tried to stop the insurrection, "which was totally not our people but definitely antifa, but no thanks we don't need an investigation into that"
25:13 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : Wait, you mean...after they refused to bring in the national guard BEFORE THE 6TH, AND PELOSI AND THE MAYOR REFUSED TO ALLOW IT???
25:15 <T3sl4> Tezzers: also, you misread my comment. if she was far right, it'd probably sell fine. i assume she's not. hence, big oof.
25:46 <Tezzers> You mean the democrats *refused* reinforcements KNOWING there was going to be shit happening there???
25:48 <Tezzers> Huh...
26:00 <Ampera> There are sticks and stones insurrections in Myanmar right now that would make Jan 6th look like a joke
26:18 <Ampera> it was a bunch of hooligans doing stupid shit, for which they should be brought to trial, but it wasn't an insurrection
26:31 <Ampera> branding it as such makes a mountain out of a molehill
26:31 <Tezzers> And uh, where did they burn the Capitol to the ground, throw molotovs, rocks, and shoot people, barricade themselves, and all without any repercussions again?? Wait, they didn't do any of that? Huh.
26:56 <Ampera> Portland probably had a more interesting evening
28:05 <T3sl4> i mean, they had gallows and pipe bombs on site
28:28 <T3sl4> if things went just slightly differently, we'd have VP pelosi
28:37 <T3sl4> or the uh, whoever's next after that, pompeo?
28:54 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : Again, after they refused police reinforcements for DAYS before
28:59 <Tezzers> They REFUSED the national guard
29:05 <Tezzers> Because Trump told them they should take the help
29:16 <T3sl4> NPR said "During Wednesday's violence, Bowser requested, and received, a limited force of 340 from the D.C. National Guard."
29:22 <Tezzers> They left an entire side of the building completely unguarded
29:30 <Ampera> then they poured in thousands of troops from all over the US to sit around having to sleep in and eat literal trash, just so that they could look scary
29:38 <coppice> Myanmar is like a North Korea wannabe. When I was a kid I knew adults who had fled the troubles there for a life in UK, and its still messed up
30:25 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : They knew weeks in advance that some fringe was planning to light shit off at the capitol. The FBI knew. They all knew. They REFUSED TO SET UP THE NATIONAL GUARD, DAYS IN ADVANCE, IN PREPARATION.
30:33 <Tezzers> It was offered.
30:35 <Tezzers> They refused.
30:37 <Ampera> Ultimately, the interpretation of what happened on Jan 6 is purely dependent on what sounds good for the observer's political views.
31:15 <K> looking from the outside it was "the fuck is going on there? are they all on crack?"
31:19 <Tezzers> I'd just like to remind everyone: Mostly peaceful protests, with fires burning in the background. https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/57182d0/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1611x846+0+26/resize/1200x630!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmediadc-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Ffa%2F48%2F16a0dcb94e459392e8d86c04780a%2F1.png
31:25 <Ampera> The hardline either way is it was a brutal insurrection, but a glorious or despicable one. The actual truth, in the middle, is that it was just a bunch of roudy assholes who did stupid shit when the cops were caught sleeping
31:48 <Tezzers> Insurrection https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/0b26d0d/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5718x3812+0+0/resize/1486x991!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F25%2F89%2Ff836234e4bbe9a52f34245c7ae30%2Fcapitol-breach-racist-symbols-26993.jpg
32:42 <T3sl4> it sounds like they [leaders] expected something comparable to the summer protests, which largely saw police instigated violence; obviously they didn't think about who was actually in the crowd
32:59 <Ampera> Facepaint, plastic horns, and a fur hat, totally an armed militiaman about to take over the government.
33:19 <T3sl4> i don't see any reason to attribute to malice what can be adequately attributed to ignorance, but i also see nothing to preclude that
33:31 <T3sl4> Ampera: and hand cuffs?
33:52 <Tezzers> Ah yes, police instigated violence, that's the big issue. Police were lighting buildings on fire, looting liquor stores and shoe stores, and setting up autonomous zones which charged protection from businesses within and had armed security shooting people numerous times a day.
34:02 <Tezzers> Wait a minute *thinking*
34:12 <T3sl4> police were also kidnapping innocent protesters in unmarked vans soooo
34:20 <K> hey, anyone wanna throw stones and/or potatoes at my idea for r2r dac channel here - https://imgur.com/a/TKUxU79 ?
34:21 <Ampera> The US government has the largest military in the world, and in human history, with the single flick power to level the entire planet, and it was all almost taken down in a brutal insurrection by a guy with zip ties.
35:22 <Ampera> I'm sorry, but when human liberty is actually threatened by oppressive regimes, people have come up with a lot more than just that.
35:27 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : Ah, yeah really? Kidnapping innocent protesters in unmarked vans? Where'd they go? Some back alley beatdowns?
36:00 <Tezzers> Innocent protesters with gas cans, molotovs, and rocks I bet.
36:03 <T3sl4> who knows
36:11 <Tezzers> LOL.
36:15 <Tezzers> They were kidnapped okay.
36:25 <Ampera> An arrest is a kind of kidnapping I suppose.
36:26 <coppice> T3sl4: well, you definitely don't
36:40 <Tezzers> But the insurrectionists who are being beaten by guards and inmates in jails is bullshit. Okay.
36:41 <T3sl4> as for the civilian instigators, why are you lumping them in with the actually-peaceful protestors
37:01 <Tezzers> Because the second they refuse to disperse when it goes violent they're not actually-peaceful protesters
37:04 <T3sl4> Tezzers: you have a problem with that? you don't seem to take issue with anything else that happens in prison
37:21 <Tezzers> If you choose to stand in a row 5 people deep to protect people behind you throwing molotovs and rocks YOU AIN'T PEACEFUL NO MORE
37:39 <Tezzers> "I didn't do it....I just prevented you from stopping the guy who was"
37:53 <Ampera> There was genuine peaceful protest, which should be respected and saluted, but the moment the sun went down and all the decent people went home, that's when shit got real.
38:05 <Ampera> There were no saints during the protests.
39:18 <Ampera> It is simply what happens when people are told and encouraged to disrespect human life and property.
39:20 <T3sl4> nevermind that five blocks ago, the police drew batons and tear gas?
39:49 <coppice> Ampera: Its what happens when you restrict people's freedom and the weather warms up
40:06 <Ampera> There were several dozens of protests and riots all around the US, which ones are you even talking about.
40:07 <T3sl4> not that people should have molotovs at a peaceful protest, but like i said, there is that minority with evil intentions
40:37 <T3sl4> Ampera: the protests here downtown were all peaceful, as i recall
40:39 <Ampera> The exact circumstances and situation of blame is so vast, all that's being said is meaningless and worthless generalizations.
40:47 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : And if you disperse when that shit starts, instead of protecting the violent ones...and you arrest the violent ones...and charge and sentence them...
40:55 <Tezzers> Then you can go out the next day and have actual peaceful protests...
40:57 <Ampera> In Albany, the protests were peaceful and very respectable, literally until the sun went down
40:57 <T3sl4> can't say the same for kenosha, obv
41:16 <Ampera> then everyone left broke windows, set shit on fire, hurt people, and launched firecrackers
41:24 <T3sl4> Tezzers: also, can't disperse when the police use entrapment/pincer moves
41:42 <Tezzers> The police don't do that until it turns into a violent riot.
41:53 <Tezzers> In which case why are you still fucking there by the time that happens?
42:07 <Tezzers> The best part is they arrested people
42:11 <Tezzers> And released them without charges
42:43 <Tezzers> People literally firebombing police cars in NYC on video got arrested...and LOOK AT THAT CHARGES DROPPED...huh...I wonder why the violet riots kept popping up instead of peaceful protests...
45:22 <Tezzers> Funny how you even had the vice president of the US literally using her funds and influence to pay bail for violent rioters...
45:37 <Tezzers> almost like they wanted violent riots.
46:13 <Tezzers> "TRUMPS AMERICA EVERYONE, VOTE FOR US AND WE'LL FIX IT ALL AND MAKE IT BETTER"
46:24 <coppice> Tezzers: of course. violence is usually bad the incumbent's popularity
47:28 <Tezzers> coppice : The VP was caught literally pumping money into "protest bail funds" - that were used to bail out people less than 24hrs after they're arrested for rioting, so they can go back on the street and riot some more.
47:51 <Tezzers> But y'know, it's mostly peaceful protests so it's fine.
48:09 <coppice> How did Kamala get to be Vice President? Everyone thinks she's an arsehole. Being considered such an arsehole bailing out the violent couldn't work against her
48:28 <Tezzers> She's the token black lady
48:45 <coppice> she was not the only option for a token black lady
48:53 <Tezzers> No one will vote for the 80 year old white man who literally said, "If you don't know whether to vote for me or Trump...then you ain't black"
49:28 <coppice> the progressives hate her. the establishment dems hate her. the republicans hate her. the public hate her. she won. There's democracy at work
49:47 <T3sl4> the ruling minority has lived in a world apart from the majority for a very long time, it shows
49:51 <Tezzers> Biden was a more popular president than *OBAMA*
50:02 <Tezzers> BIDEN HARRIS WAS MORE POPULAR THAN OBAMA.
50:15 <Tezzers> That's why I can't believe the election wasn't fucked in some way shape or form.
50:42 <Tezzers> The guy who literally could not read off a teleprompter is the most popular president in US history
51:06 <K> fuckers everywhere, man.
51:21 <coppice> Tezzers: most countries take a very dim view of postal voting, as its so hard to keep clean. Last year the US embraced it. Strange, that.
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51:51 <T3sl4> coppice: do they?
52:03 <K> dim view or just not compelling reasons to do it?
52:32 <Tezzers> coppice: I also find it hillarious when I think PA courts said, "You can't sue yet about the election, there's no damage so you can't sue. Sue after the election". That same court said after the election "There's no remedy...you can't sue, there's no way to fix it if you did win so it's moot"
52:50 <coppice> K: a history of corruption where it has been tried
52:56 <K> ah ok
53:07 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : Georgia voting laws are being shit all over because they require an ID
53:14 <K> prolly is more susceptible to that kind of shenaningans yea
53:21 <K> sus.
53:23 <Tezzers> They expanded hours, expanded early voting, and require ID.
53:28 <Tezzers> But VOTER SUPRESSION
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53:51 <coppice> early voting is a weird arrangement
54:10 <T3sl4> well, yeah. if you're in poverty, you can't exactly walk down to the county DMV and pick up an ID
54:20 <Tezzers> Ballot harvesting and electioneering being banned is OH MY GOD WE CAN'T GIVE PEOPLE WATER WAITING IN LINES AT THE POLLS?? THAT'S VOTER SUPRESSION
54:38 <K> 2 months early is strange, a week early seems ok
54:39 <coppice> T3sl4: that has been shown to be a bullshit argument so many times
54:51 <T3sl4> it has?
55:03 <coppice> yes. It has.
55:20 <K> if you go to dmv, how do you prove you are what you say you are?
55:36 <T3sl4> ah. i see your well peer reviewed point
56:30 <T3sl4> K: i'd be happy with keeping the polls open for a week. or even just moving the fucking day to sat/sunday when more people are off work
56:30 <Tezzers> T3sl4 : You can get a voter ID card with non-photo ID that shows name and DOB (Birth certificate? Passport? Green card?), second document showing DOB, evidence you registered, and a anything like a utility bill name and address.
56:50 <coppice> T3sl4: where is the peer review analysis supporting your claim?
56:53 <Tezzers> For Georgia, the capital of voter supression.
57:23 <Tezzers> Also, for a non-driver ID, in Georgia, it's fucking $32.
57:29 <Tezzers> THIRTY TWO DOLLARS TO HAVE AN ID.
57:44 <Tezzers> How do you get a job without ID?
58:10 <T3sl4> i mean, even i've had jobs that didn't require ID
58:10 <coppice> Tezzers: that's the key point. most people can't really exist without a usable ID
58:44 <Tezzers> "If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a free ID Card. An ID card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge."
58:49 <K> not having an id seems american thing to me
59:12 <Tezzers> Right from the Georgia voting requirements site.
59:36 <T3sl4> also, changing the requirements from year to year, is suppression
59:58 <T3sl4> ain't no one got time for those technicalities
00:20 <coppice> T3sl4: try to make a meaningful argument, instead of just spouting the flimsiest of BS talking points
00:23 <Tezzers> Yeah? How many years have we heard about voter supression?
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00:45 <Tezzers> I don't remember GEORGIA VOTER SUPPRESION! ALERT ALERT! GEORGIA VOTING SUPPRESION! after Obama wone...
01:01 <T3sl4> coppice: eh?
01:04 <Tezzers> Did they change the laws after Obama's first term to supress voters?
01:26 <Ampera> Both parties try to suppress and manipulate voters to their advantage. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
01:28 <arch> T3sl4 is a commie
01:35 <Ampera> lol
01:36 <arch> i say we tar and feather him
01:56 * T3sl4 paints arch red
02:04 <Tezzers> I'm waiting for him to chant 1312
02:08 <coppice> "<T3sl4> also, changing the requirements from year to year, is suppression" - rules change over time, adapting to circumstances. E.g. electronic means of doing things expand over time. This is not suppression. You are just displaying voter suppression Tourettes
02:09 <Ampera> From simple manipulation through media, through changing the rules and voting boundaries, through simply fucking with the polls themselves
02:45 <Ampera> It's kinda like baseball, when the red sox win, they cheated better than the other guys, when they lose, the other guys cheated better than them
02:47 <Ampera> same thing here
03:07 <coppice> Now if you want to see a real form of voter suppression, look at Gerrymandering. Both sides do it, and its really messed up
03:10 <Ampera> The only constant in this universe is someone will do whatever it takes to get and keep power
03:13 <T3sl4> coppice: the point is, a lot of people care so little for voting that any little change is enough to gain or loose their vote. thus, in that sense (and yes, a very flimsy sense, but quantitative nonetheless), suppression
03:49 <Ampera> The last thing on earth that either party wants is a fair and honest voting system, and you can be damn sure that whatever law supposes to do that is a trojan horse.
03:57 * T3sl4 wonders if Tezzers hums 1488 sometimes
04:09 <coppice> T3sl4: you want to encourage those who couldn't give a shit to vote more?
04:29 <Tezzers> There we go T3sl4 .
04:36 <Tezzers> You don't agree with me therefore you must be a nazi.
04:45 <T3sl4> coppice: that's apparently the dem's interest
04:53 <Tezzers> I'm a nazi everyone, didn't know it until T3sl4 opeend my eyes.
05:59 <T3sl4> amazingly you're not the only one that knows meme numbers
06:05 <coppice> T3sl4: they also want 16 year olds to vote, as younger people are dumber and easier to manipulate. Raising the voting age to the early 20s (maybe 21, like many countries used to use) would make a lot more sense for having well thought through voting
06:17 <Ampera> since when was 1488 a meme number
06:27 <K> everything is a meme!
06:33 <K> even you!
06:34 <T3sl4> Ampera: it's some nazi bulletpoints thing
06:41 <coppice> Ampera: since the greate GPIB rebelion
08:10 <Ampera> 1488 represents the 14 word slogans popularized by white supremacists, with 88 usually interpreted as heil hitler.
08:22 <Ampera> it's a meme, but your usage wasn't.
08:22 <T3sl4> yeah that
08:31 <Ampera> you straight up called him a nazi
08:33 <T3sl4> i'm actually rather concerned that Tezzers would think i'd accuse him of being a nazi, i hope not
08:38 <Ampera> because you just did
09:01 <coppice> Ampera: 14 words is sooooo wordy. All good Chinese slogans are 4 characters
09:15 <Ampera> you can't just choose when what you say gets interpreted as a joke, and considering your general poor faith in attitude, there's no other reasonable interpretation.
10:12 <T3sl4> he accused me of a number that i haven't said anything about
10:49 <Ampera> in the context of an actual joke
11:27 <T3sl4> and i was imitating that context. perhaps my word choice could've been better. if it was taken wrong i apologize
11:52 <Ampera> calling someone a nazi is far worse than simply saying someone hates cops
12:45 <T3sl4> i'd have gone with "1337" but that's not topical :P
13:24 <T3sl4> but they're just ordinary people anyway, right? it's not like you mind, Ampera
13:57 <Ampera> Not all Nazis are equal, and nazism is a very specific ideology.
14:25 <Ampera> most members of the original nazi party weren't there because they loved the ideology and absolutely wanted to be a part of it
14:35 <Ampera> in the same way a lot of Nazi soldiers weren't even there by choice.
15:05 <Ampera> It's a great example of how a minority in control of an oppressive, information controlling regime can destroy innocent people
15:24 <T3sl4> it only takes a dominant minority to coerce the rest of the population
15:30 <Ampera> However, 1488 is not a slogan used by true Nazis, as true Nazis well predate that slogan.
16:13 <Ampera> That slogan specifically refers to modern, serious white supremacy
16:14 <T3sl4> more of a neonazi thing, anyway, same psychology at play
16:28 <Ampera> That's a generalization and a half.
16:44 <T3sl4> "modern, serious"? it's the same fuckin kind of people, throughout history by dude
16:47 <T3sl4> s/by/my/
17:43 <Ampera> It's not, ideology is far more complicated than, everyone just thinks the same way.
17:50 <T3sl4> violent patriotism and racial discrimination is nothing new, it's been around at least as long as societies have
18:03 <Ampera> Serious, because white supremacist has become a common generalization.
18:19 <T3sl4> that's why i'm not filtering on ideology?
18:50 <Ampera> You are? This is about nazism, which you're saying has a common psychology, and to this day with neonazism
20:02 <Ampera> The term Nazi is and should be historical. Outside of the remaining unrepentant nazis from the time, modern "nazis" have a different ideology, under a different regime, and for a different purpose, one that varies immensely.
20:21 <T3sl4> the ideology that applies in the west, contains enough common threads adequate to identify it; more generally over geography and history, those threads also differ and you have to consider psychological motivation
21:09 <T3sl4> whether you consider patriotism a psych/socio/ideological motivation i guess, whatever, but that's one element that's very widely used
22:23 <T3sl4> also i've been using lowercase nazis in the colloquial sense, really to mean any highly authoritarian, violent or proto-violent group, especially on the scale of political parties, but not exclusively so
22:37 <T3sl4> ...and exhibiting these traits.
24:36 <T3sl4> BTW, Fascism is relevant, as that's defined as an authoritarian dictatorship that includes strong economic support (i.e. corporation supported)
24:53 <T3sl4> that would be the form of authoritarianism that is most likely to take hold in the west
25:10 <coppice> That's what so many of America
25:28 <coppice> That's what so many of America's so called liberals seems to be calling for
25:30 <T3sl4> other kinds of dictatorships hold under other economic conditions, i mean there's always corporate support but the point is how much of it
25:58 <coppice> Mussolini defined Fascism simply as the merging of state and corporate power
26:14 <T3sl4> that's another good way to put it
29:26 <T3sl4> but anyway, all of this is largely a huge distraction driving intra-class conflict, when inter-class domination is the problem. both dem and rep are widely supported by the same wealthy and corporate interests, and they largely get what they want, regardless what the people do
39:24 <TheDude> ooh, spicy debate up in this bitch
43:17 * T3sl4 slides TheDude a White Russian
47:47 <coppice> T3sl4: its the American way. This defines the history of the USA more the genecide of the natives, or slavery, or any of the other despicable things a country does
50:41 * electrohead reads the history, and walks away slowly
51:29 <arch> come back when there's less weird shit, like spiderman says
51:47 * T3sl4 gives arch top Marx 
56:04 <coppice> There is only one form of government - oligarchy. Everything else is window dressing to distract from the oligarchy
58:40 <DHess_US> Or at least only one result.
59:37 <DHess_US> I agree with T3sl4 but I'm not sure we took the same path to our common conclusion.
00:15 <T3sl4> that's been my conclusion for a lot longer than the immediate conversation, the rest is just, well, window dressing if you like
00:39 <DHess_US> coppice, most of the genocide of the natives happened before the US formed. Old World diseases killed 90+% of the New World population, which also prevented them from organizing to defend themselves.
01:25 <DHess_US> That is why histories report that North America was only sparsely settled. Nobody at the time knew or could know what had happened.
01:35 <T3sl4> we just cleaned up the rest
01:52 <DHess_US> The only evidence was revealed later through archology.
02:18 <DHess_US> The same thing happened in South America but it was much more immediate so history did cover it.
02:49 <DHess_US> The Aztecs wouldn't have been such a pushover if they hadn't been fighting a civil war after being decimated by plague.
03:08 <coppice> DHess_US: The US has a very iffy history. Like states not becoming full states until they had completed their genecide; Chinese working in the dessert mines of pre-Arizona and pre-Nevada in indentured servitude conditions we would now call slavery, after slavery was banned in the actual USA. Being all male they died out.
03:25 <DHess_US> coppice, sure, I don't disagree.
03:55 <DHess_US> But exceptions to that pattern are rare or non-existent.
03:58 <T3sl4> US, UK, canada, all the colonials really, share the common tactics
03:59 <coppice> interesting typo. The dessert mines sound delicious
04:11 <T3sl4> they starved from empty calories
04:48 <coppice> T3sl4: not really. In most places the last thing the colonists wanted was to clear the indigenous population. They usually just wanted to rule them
04:58 <Ampera> If any society is old enough, large enough, and advanced enough, it'd have conquered and destroyed its neighbors, enslaved them, and done what they wanted with the land.
05:02 <DHess_US> Congress repeatedly made treaties with the remaining Indian nations which it later ignored.
05:18 <Ampera> The only reason why we talk about European colonization now is because they were the ones who colonized the colonizers.
05:33 <DHess_US> Have you read that book Ampera?
05:39 <Ampera> which book
05:44 <Ampera> I mean, no, but which book
06:22 <DHess_US> The theme is why it was Europe which colonized other lands and not the reverse, https://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552
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06:48 <DHess_US> Especially relevant is why China did not.
07:12 <DHess_US> China was in a position do to so before Europe but didn't, and it wasn't because they were nice.
08:04 <Ampera> My Chinese history is sparse, but I seem to recall it was a combination of internal conflicts, and a general belief that the entire world was already theirs, so conquering what they already owned made no sense.
08:19 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I missed the pedophilia conversation because I had to ship packages and visit Lowes to buy parts for outlet boxes.
08:28 <T3sl4> heh, diamond kinda came to mind but i wasn't sure if that was what you were thinking
08:45 <coppice> China as a cohesive nation is a modern construct. Through most of its history it was run as an empire, with endless groups fighting for control of the empire
08:48 <Ampera> It's sometimes a shame I don't read more paper books. I read off the internet on a daily basis, news, maps, encyclopedias, but books usually are my lowest denominator for entertainment
08:52 <Ampera> I enjoy them, but I enjoy other things better
09:01 <DHess_US> Ampera, the reason China didn't was because it was too uniform so had no internal competition. Europe was split into competing nations and no nation could conquer the others.
09:14 <T3sl4> DHess_US: i'd love to have priorities like that today
09:18 <DHess_US> Basically, China stagnated for lack of competition. They didn't need to compete.
09:30 <Ampera> I suppose too uniform as compared to Europe, but China wasn't free of internal competition.
09:45 <coppice> DHess_US: that makes no sense. in what way way China uniform? Europe was more uniform than China
10:14 <DHess_US> It only took one nation in Europe to colonize and force the others to do the same.
10:36 <Ampera> Europe's primary motivation for colonization was the acquisition and exploitation of wealth, especially when the only other options for a lot of trade was with the east, blockaded by the ottomans
10:42 <DHess_US> China was uniform in the sense that there were no natural boundaries preventing unification.
10:47 <T3sl4> coppice: not like they don't still, although "endless groups fighting" is probably an overstatement today
11:56 <coppice> people from the north still refer to southerners by a name that roughly translates to Southern barbarian. There's no uniformity there
12:00 <DHess_US> So what happened is that one faction in China could control it all, and did at some point recalling the Qeng Ho fleet and letting it rot in the harbors, so China's age of exploration was aborted.
12:17 <Ampera> China just makes me sad. They have a remarkable culture, people, and economy, controlled by one of the most exploitative and destructive regimes of our time.
12:41 <DHess_US> They have a remarkable culture, <- Not anymore. Not since Mao.
13:09 <Ampera> Of course they do, especially in the more high end, technological parts of China, one of innovation and close cooperation.
13:11 <DHess_US> Technically China's culture now only dates back to the Great Leap Forward when they destroyed their previous cultures.
13:21 <Ampera> Quite literal cities of engineers
13:30 <coppice> DHess_US: The natural borders in China are far more extensive than in Europe, but the last time Europe had any measure of unity was about 300AD, as the Roman Empire was falling apart in the west
13:53 <Ampera> China is growing as a nation, and its bright and talented are growing too, which is where their remarkable culture I'm talking of comes from
14:01 <DHess_US> coppice, yet China was unified in a way that Europe never was.
14:33 <coppice> DHess_US: China was unified in the way the British Empire was
14:37 <DHess_US> Right, but that culture is only about 60 years old.
14:55 <T3sl4> does it really count as "culture" if it was made up hastily?
14:58 * T3sl4 ponders TV
15:05 <T3sl4> ...i suppose it counts
15:10 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I'd say so if they made such an attempt to destroy their previous culture.
15:26 <coppice> T3sl4: my yoghurt cultures develop in just a few hours
15:26 <Ampera> Internet has a culture that is demonstrably unique, and is quite new
15:38 <DHess_US> That was their intention, and I don't see that the ruling party has been overthrown since then.
15:54 <T3sl4> coppice: and still more diverse than <group>! *rimshot*
16:19 <DHess_US> I'd say the Internet culture was overthrown on September 1993.
16:38 <T3sl4> Eternal September
16:44 <DHess_US> yes
17:01 <DHess_US> It still exists, like here, if you know where to look.
17:20 <DHess_US> You can find echos of it hidden in IPv6 address space.
17:40 <Ampera> ipv6.amperaa.net :D
17:41 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
17:43 <T3sl4> is anyone even serving nntp over ipv6?
17:51 <DHess_US> yes
18:05 <DHess_US> There are several free NNTP servers on IPv6, or there were last time I checked.
18:15 <DHess_US> I only stopped using them after AT&T blocked IPv6.
18:35 <DHess_US> AT&T blocked IPv6 tunneling.
18:37 <coppice> I wonder if we will ever have an IPv6 address here?
18:50 <DHess_US> I think I have one but I have it blocked at my router.
18:59 <Ampera> I kinda don't really care about Verizon giving us IPv6
19:11 <DHess_US> I'll reenable it after I get my router upgraded to handle it properly.
19:18 <Ampera> because it's going to be a floating prefix delegation that's gonna make all the fun an interesting aspects of IPv6 completely and totally worthless
19:29 <DHess_US> Of course it will be.
19:51 <Ampera> whereas with the completely free, and reasonably performant tunnel I get from HE, I get a static /48 that I can do with as I please
20:26 <DHess_US> I'd like to arrange to run IPv6 over my VPN.
20:37 <DHess_US> So I can swap around IPv6 endpoints.
28:31 <rust_collector> ok, dinner time! go and eat something
29:14 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy your breakfast, rusty
29:40 <rust_collector> lunch, ACUTUALLY.... but thanks
29:52 <rust_collector> it is pretty meh, but not bad
30:24 <rust_collector> chicken inshallah and rice
30:54 <T3sl4> lunchfast
30:55 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like someone insulting a chicken. at least I think that I have heard that word around here as an insult
31:24 <Ysjoelfir> also, is it lunch or lunsj?
31:30 <rust_collector> yes
31:47 <rust_collector> sj, but use whatever you want to
32:05 * Ysjoelfir could realy use a kvikk lunsj now
32:34 <rust_collector> wife has a 6 pack... in the window. so it could be a 1 pack by now
32:40 <Ysjoelfir> xD
38:13 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/XDdlj5p1CpE?t=679
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58:40 <Ysjoelfir> aww, that sexy peeling! :P
59:50 * T3sl4 peels sexily for Ysjoelfir
00:00 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
01:22 * T3sl4 saves the drippings in a shot glass for Halcyon
01:29 <Ysjoelfir> lol
04:04 <T3sl4> oh hey, it's rainingly outside
06:52 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't know that I had THAT much pressure to reach over to you
13:20 <T3sl4> well, good thing i'm already peeled. but i'll need more than a few shotglasses after this
20:01 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuh, my notebook should arrive tomorrow already!
20:29 <Ysjoelfir> and: that looks like some nice project boxes https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/lmb-heeger-inc/TF771-PLAIN/L100-ND/4223
20:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - TF771 PLAIN LMB Heeger Inc. | Boxes, Enclosures, Racks | DigiKey 
25:09 <T3sl4> perfectly average bud box
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27:22 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/fTVAESK
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50:50 <Ysjoelfir> I like ham
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18:44 <coppice> T3sl4: That funky vacuum tube device looks vaguely familiar with that little pipe and bulb assembly at the side. I can't place where I've seen that before
19:37 <T3sl4> it almost seems vestigial of some lab step to create/seal it, but then i saw the filament inside, but that still doesn't explain much because i don't see obvious connections to it, and why would there be like, an ionization gauge on the side of the thing
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38:39 <rust_collector> blarr blarr blarrr. weird confusers gets computed just because I changed the time...
39:07 <Ysjoelfir> shame on it!
39:45 <Kuschelpony> do you please have a picture not on imgur, or other fancy javascripts, please
39:57 <Kuschelpony> maybe i have an clue about that device
42:14 <T3sl4> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51306586083_acd23157ef_b.jpg
44:01 <Kuschelpony> thanks, so lets see
45:31 <electrohead> T3sl4: ooo, sexy
46:10 * T3sl4 sticks a vacuum tube up electrohead's nose
46:48 * electrohead expels mercury vapors
47:50 <T3sl4> w00t
47:56 * Ysjoelfir adds some highish voltage to electrohead and watches him glow blue
47:58 <Kuschelpony> really interesting
49:08 <Kuschelpony> i checxk that tomorrow in detail, too tired today
49:54 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
50:08 Mode: (by Ysjoelfir) +v electrohead
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09:52 <Lemon> whats up peeps !
10:25 <steve30> a Lemon!
10:32 <steve30> Did you escape from ampera's lemonade?
11:02 <Ampera> the lemonade is delicious
11:22 <Lemon> barely !
12:39 <Lemon> guys, I think I grew a bad addiction for tools :/
15:32 <Lemon> im now looking at erem tweezers, this is really badf
20:55 <Ysjoelfir> you should start investing into enclosures
21:09 <Ysjoelfir> I need that one for example: https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/bud-industries/TR-6100/377-1312-ND/429056
21:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - TR-6100 Bud Industries | Boxes, Enclosures, Racks | DigiKey 
26:52 <arch> smaller boxes, you would probably save a lot of money if you bought a 3d printer for $300
27:08 <arch> if you need a lot of boxes that is
28:33 <Ysjoelfir> that one is not so small though
32:51 <Lemon> theres so many different types of tweezers
32:58 <Ysjoelfir> and cases!
33:01 <Lemon> thats hard to tell which ones would fit the job best
33:17 <Lemon> ho yes I like cases too, but I think I will end up building mines with acrylyc
33:20 <Lemon> acrilyc
33:34 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, this one I am looking at now would be right in your budget, but I am not sure if I want that one or the slightly smaller one
33:38 <rust_collector> acrylic. but noooo, use metal
34:06 <Lemon> yeah or metal
34:11 <Lemon> depends on what is easier
34:25 <Lemon> I thought about simply using sheets of metal and bending it
34:31 <rust_collector> and if you want it to take a bump or two
36:17 <Lemon> hmmm I wonder what are the differences between economic and normal models of erem tweezers, they are a tad cheaper
36:27 <Lemon> but what exactly, maybe different steel ?
37:13 <rust_collector> different material, different finish...
37:35 <rust_collector> made in bangladesh, or not
37:52 <Lemon> hmmm I think it might be coating yes
38:00 <Lemon> they are all made in swisstzerland, gladly
38:09 <Lemon> switzerland
38:12 <rust_collector> I mean deburring and polishing and such
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38:41 <Lemon> I want to get just the ones I need, not a big set with countless I will never use
38:44 <Lemon> but quality ones
38:59 <Lemon> after using cheapos, I think I want some self clamping ones
38:59 <rust_collector> nah, we know you, you want all of them
39:06 <Lemon> https://fr.farnell.com/erem/29sa/pince-brucelle-reversible-150mm/dp/1014362
39:12 <Lemon> nah
39:27 <Lemon> a pair of fine but decently strong ones like those https://fr.farnell.com/weller-erem/aasa/pince-brucelle-125mm/dp/1014358
39:35 <Lemon> and bent ones
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41:22 <Lemon> hmmm rust_collector something that might be in your knowledge area, I thought about getting a proxxon socket kit, from what I read its my best bet for quality/price
41:28 <Lemon> do you know that brand ?
41:39 <rust_collector> sure
41:42 <Lemon> im not doing a lot of mechanic work, but I want to learn
41:53 <Lemon> doing small tasks on the car could be n ice
41:55 <Ysjoelfir> thats a nice one! https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/hammond-manufacturing/HWCHAS1310BK/HM397-ND/2339589
42:10 <rust_collector> I have never used a proxxon socket, but the brand is ok...
42:20 <Ysjoelfir> I have.
42:25 <Lemon> yeah ?
42:27 <Lemon> like it ?
42:44 <Lemon> I havent found a single bad review about them
42:57 <Lemon> im interested by the 1/2 and 1/4 kit
43:09 <Lemon> I also wonder if I need deep sockets
43:17 <rust_collector> after paying for proxxon, you don't admit you did that by complaining online, lol
43:39 <Lemon> hehhh idk people tend to be happy to bash something they dislike
43:42 <Ysjoelfir> Sure. Its nice, but they tend to be to expensive for the quality imho
43:43 <rust_collector> what sort of stuff are you going to use them for?
44:07 <Lemon> yeah you think so ? I thought it was well priced compared to what they are
44:35 <rust_collector> facom titaniom is pricy, but they really are very nice, and last "forever"
44:37 <Lemon> well simple tasks, like a fluid change, or change a piece that is accessible without needing to remove the whole engine
44:39 <Ysjoelfir> well... compare it to gedore red for example
44:55 <Lemon> hmmm ive read bad things on gedore red
45:04 <Lemon> if im right, its a brand they bought thats made in china
45:17 <rust_collector> did not like being used on a 1" impact gun?
45:20 <Lemon> yeah facom is surely nice
45:30 <Lemon> not as nice as before tho
45:37 <Lemon> since they started making lots of their stuff in asia
45:59 <Ysjoelfir> well, then go for Stahlwille?
46:06 <Lemon> if I had lots of money I'd get some stahlwille, gedore, hazet...
46:11 <Lemon> but I cant justify such amount
46:24 <rust_collector> hmm, what was that... uuh
46:33 <coppice> facom is an Asian company now
46:34 <Lemon> the proxxon kit is 67 euros, for that I geet what, a 1/4 hazet ratchet ?
46:34 <Ysjoelfir> ok, do you have 62.56 plus shipping?
46:42 <rust_collector> teng tools. they are not bad, for general car and such use
46:50 <Lemon> yeah I did read good things on teng tools
46:55 <Lemon> tektron too, but hard to find here
46:59 <Lemon> show me Ysjoelfir
47:15 <Ysjoelfir> That one you can get for 62.56 and then send it over. https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/hammond-manufacturing/518-0910/HM2168-ND/970695
47:29 <Lemon> pfff xD
47:50 <Lemon> im a poor lemon !
47:59 <Ysjoelfir> I somehow doubt that
48:03 <rust_collector> right now, I tend to use a 3/8 set for almost everything
48:17 <Lemon> you know, im not purchasing everythin I talk about :P
48:36 <Lemon> those days im selling lots of stuff that im not using
48:42 <Lemon> thats why I have some cash
48:53 <Lemon> airsoft replicas, that gpu, a razer kb...
49:11 <rust_collector> I only find the 1/2" stuff for rusty lug nuts, and head bolts, and such
49:12 <Lemon> but if you want to know everything, after taxes and shit, I maybe have what, 150 euros to play with per month ?
49:21 <Ysjoelfir> I will start selling lots of stuff as well very soon, as I have only a few days to do it in a coordinated fashion
49:27 <Lemon> rust_collector ha yes I was wondering that
49:38 <Lemon> I thought about getting a 1/4 and 1/2 kit to cover most of things
49:44 <Ysjoelfir> thats roughly 270€ per month more than I have, Lemon
49:47 <Lemon> but maybe 3/8 instead is the way
49:52 <Lemon> XD
50:30 <Lemon> well, keep in mind I absolutely never go out, im dressing myself with oldass free clothes I got here and there, I live alone, im eating shit and so on
50:34 <rust_collector> well, 1/4" is nice for toys, and 1/2" is a little bit much for most things, the 3/8" is just about right, and fits into most places
50:37 <Lemon> living the dream
51:01 <Lemon> do you still sometimes have to use 1/4 ?
51:08 <Lemon> or not in years
51:12 <Ysjoelfir> The last time I bought clothes was like.... 15 years ago, yeah. :D
51:43 <rust_collector> the kit I use now, is called "carwise" it has been very ok, but it is cheap crap
51:43 <Lemon> at least you bought them, hah !
51:52 <Lemon> nah im joking, I also bought some
51:56 <Lemon> from our dear Kiabi !
52:03 <rust_collector> I can not remember the last time I used 1/4"
52:10 <Ysjoelfir> I will live either in a tent for the next few months or in a small shitty one room without a toilet or shower xD
52:35 <Lemon> where you going ? :>
52:42 <rust_collector> I only buy socks and boxers. 95% of the time, I use my work clothes
52:47 <Lemon> rust_collector hmmm ok I will keep that in mind
52:55 <Ysjoelfir> lemon - www.raidsonic.de
53:25 <Lemon> icybox ?
53:30 <Ysjoelfir> si
53:38 <Lemon> hehh I think I know that brand
53:39 <Lemon> but I dont get it
53:53 <rust_collector> yeah, you should have an nvme adapter from them
54:00 <Lemon> ha yes !
54:02 <Lemon> exactly
54:12 <Lemon> the glowing blue thingie
54:17 <rust_collector> heh, yes
54:30 <Lemon> damn you have a good memory
54:39 <rust_collector> so, when do we get added to the free samples list? errm...
54:57 <rust_collector> I only remember the useless stuff, lol
55:17 <Ysjoelfir> :P as soon as lemon buys me some enclosures and parts for my power analyzer prototype xD
55:29 <rust_collector> arrrgh
55:44 <Lemon> well, I can offer to test the power analyzer prototype for free ! :D
55:51 <Lemon> no but I didnt get it btw
55:57 <Lemon> about living in a tent
56:03 <Lemon> are you going somewhere ?
56:08 <rust_collector> Good thing I can put the postal detectives to work, figuring out where the lemon lives, so I can visit him in my new van
56:10 <Lemon> you sold your belongings ?
56:21 <Lemon> or you can ask me you know
56:22 <Lemon> xd
56:27 <coppice> Lemon: are you sure you can measure up to that task?
56:29 <rust_collector> that is boring
56:44 <Lemon> hmmm well I can turn knobs and press buttons !
57:01 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: developing a power analyser in a tent should be fun
57:02 <Ysjoelfir> look where they are sitting. I will move there in 3 weeks
57:05 <rust_collector> if lemon can make it crash, it needs more work
57:08 <Ysjoelfir> wouldn't it?
57:45 <Ysjoelfir> but coppice, I am just in the planning phase for some parts of it, so I can do that with just a notebook.
57:49 <Lemon> you are moving there ? why that ?
58:14 <rust_collector> he lokes the cold, so icy box sounds good
58:16 <Ysjoelfir> because I don't want to commute 1500 kilometers each day to work
58:16 <Lemon> you found a job there ?
58:25 <Lemon> ho ok ! :>
58:51 <Lemon> pfff what is 1500km after all ?
58:57 <Lemon> just teleport there like normal human beings !
59:28 <rust_collector> and you only have to go there for 2-3 days, after setting up ssh and stuff
59:38 <rust_collector> just so people think you are there
00:22 <Ysjoelfir> I tried the teleporting stuff, but got stuck halfway somewhere around Hanover with my left toe in the driveway and the right ball in a public toilet
00:28 <rust_collector> but I think this will be good. and at least you are not in iraq for 9 months
01:32 <Lemon> hmmm not ideal
02:34 <Lemon> I wonder if I should get thosee tweezers straight, or angled
02:39 <Lemon> angled seems easier to work with
02:54 <Lemon> for the reverse-action ones, im not sure
03:00 <rust_collector> I have to find one of those cutting disc spindle things for my dremel
03:05 <Lemon> I wanted those to hold small wires, or things
03:21 <Lemon> ha about dremel, ive read that proxxon make super nice ones
03:29 <Lemon> that are much cheaper than the real deal, on top of that
03:38 <rust_collector> no, they just makes them much better than dremel
03:53 <rust_collector> but they are still shitty hobby tools
03:54 <Lemon> well, also cheaper no ?
04:03 <Lemon> hmm well yeah
04:14 <Lemon> shitty idk, maybe not made for heavy industrial stuff
04:19 <rust_collector> eeh, I don't think so? at least my dremel was dirt cheap
05:07 <rust_collector> but I think you get much more for your money with a proxxon. they don't shake so much
05:20 <rust_collector> and I have a feeling they have a bit better bearings
05:28 <T3sl4> oh thats fuckin weird, just now noticing, in chrome: typing in a text box, pressing HOME on an empty line moves the cursor to the start of the box (CTRL+HOME action normally)
05:33 <Lemon> thats interesting
06:01 <T3sl4> END only moves to start of next line
09:24 <rust_collector> Lemon you could look at ebay or similar for a biax little die grinder. they are nice, and you can get parts for them, and stuff
09:54 <Lemon> ho yeah I will look for what I need exactly, for now its not really needed
10:04 <Lemon> I prefer to get the hand tools im missing, then look for eelctric ones
10:48 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
11:29 <Lemon> im quite happy about the various screwdriver bits/holders I got
11:32 <Lemon> everything is top notch
11:54 <Lemon> if I come across multiple cases of recessed stuff where a standalone driver is needed, I'll get some
12:00 <Lemon> but I guess I'll bef ine
13:14 <rust_collector> but the proxxon spinning tool is plenty good for most things. Yeah, you will probably find a few sizes you need, but most of the time, the bits will do
13:33 <rust_collector> probably torx 10/15/20
13:42 <Lemon> there was a kit of 4 flat heads and ph1/2 for 22 euros, hazet drivers
13:45 <rust_collector> well, in my world
14:14 <Lemon> bits I took are wiha/pb swiss, and holders pb swiss/felo
14:52 <rust_collector> if you find something with phillips heads, just get them out and put them in a bucket, so you can get them recycled
15:42 <rust_collector> butt, I am going to bed. I am too late, as usual. have fun
15:47 <Lemon> heh yeah, we have lots of pozidriv here too
15:53 <Lemon> night rusty
15:56 <Lemon> thanks for tips
16:02 <rust_collector> that is much better than phillips
17:37 <Lemon> yeah, still not square/torx tho
43:23 <Halcyon> *yawns* Morning
44:41 * T3sl4 slides Halcyon a shot glass
44:49 <Halcyon> This better have coffee in it
46:09 <T3sl4> uh, well it will certainly make you aware of things
46:23 <rust_collector> it is coffee with coffee
46:32 <Halcyon> Mmm double shot
46:38 <T3sl4> that just sounds like espresso with extra steps
46:46 <rust_collector> espresso, and white powder that we won't tell you what is
47:46 <rust_collector> ok, it is antelope fat lumps, dried and ground to powder
47:58 <rust_collector> so, good night, or so
48:09 <T3sl4> sweet antelopian dreams
50:59 <Halcyon> Haha
01:04 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgflip.com/5g9qav.jpg
01:24 <T3sl4> haha
04:11 <arch> https://i.imgflip.com/5g9qnk.jpg
10:34 <T3sl4> arch: updated https://imgur.com/a/M1S0DbI
11:29 <arch> lol nice
15:13 <arch> i should make a 2 stage 555 timer charge pump, and see how much current i can draw from it before it craps itself
15:21 <arch> for the sake of science
16:28 <arch> so at 5V input, with two stage charge pump, i should see 15V - (0.5V_diode x 4) - 0.7VCE drop of the 555 timer, hopefully
17:51 <arch> probably get like 12V no load condition, maybe like 10V with a few dozen mA
18:13 <T3sl4> idunno like 50mA?
18:29 <arch> before the internal transistors overheat and fail
18:45 <T3sl4> what do you mean by two stage, because a quadrupler is only that with respect to AC RMS
19:08 <T3sl4> a doubler is a p-p to DC converter, and you only get, well 3V really from a 555
19:32 <T3sl4> schottky definitely help, and a CMOS 555 helps but expect even less current
20:01 <T3sl4> at that point, a gate driver would be a good way to improve the output capacity... which, if you use an inverting type with hysteresis, you don't need the 555 at all, just RC from output to input :)
20:09 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/7lZGOth.png
20:35 <arch> 20ma drops it fast
20:59 <arch> at 5mA, it's close to 12V
21:24 <arch> but this is in simulation. i wonder how it does IRL
21:54 <T3sl4> no idea what the ltspice model for that looks like, it might be pulling up too strong
22:40 <arch> the fsw is 130kHz with those RC values, and duty cycle is ~50%
23:26 <T3sl4> the "quadrupler" should be doubling the supply, adding that on top should be triple but it's only 2.5 per stage (2D+2C) it seems
23:47 <T3sl4> BTW, you can get a bit better performance with C1 tied to OUT, rather than in series with C5
24:39 <T3sl4> it looks weird because C4, C6 are plain (tied to GND) whereas if you need to save voltage ratings, they'd be stacked (on top of +V)
25:04 <arch> ahh i think i see what you mean, like the cockroft walton
25:10 <T3sl4> tl;dr it's better to use both common to AC/GND, unless you need lower voltage ratings in which case stack ala CW
40:47 <arch> hmm i get worse results with the cw ladder
40:50 <arch> on the sim
41:23 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/Uh8bI9d.png
41:41 <T3sl4> yeah cuz they're in series
42:36 <arch> lemme crank up the capacitance
42:50 <T3sl4> the capacitors see like a volt or two per stage, you're in no danger of ratings there. tying them to GND/+V and OUT will do better
45:29 <arch> not sure what you mean. tie the lower leg of each stage to gnd?
46:53 <T3sl4> go back to the earlier version with the mid caps to GND
47:10 <T3sl4> and do the C1 move i said above
49:10 <arch> if i tie C1 to gnd, i get a smaller vout, 3.6Vhttps://i.imgur.com/NIhbpu4.png
49:15 <arch> err to out
49:17 <arch> c1 to out
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50:55 <T3sl4> uh, you shorted the output. what happened to C5?
51:59 <arch> i put the R1 in series to limit the output current, but yes, if i remove it, the performance is slightly better. instead of 8.8V out at 20mA, i get 10.3V out
52:56 <arch> my input V is 4.5, output is 10.3V, at 20mA load. with 50mA load, it drops to 7V
53:44 <arch> also at 50ma, the peak to peak current is ~350mA source and sink at 50% duty
53:51 <arch> probably will heat up the 555, if not destroy it shortly
54:24 <arch> want the asc file? or you already probably have this kinda shit in your library already
54:46 <T3sl4> sure
55:10 <T3sl4> nah i dont use ltspice let alone for this pleb shit ;p
56:05 <arch> https://paste.ee/p/oc3rt#7MzhmFDxDe9l3kVVt51rUh2UXhzKy9sC
56:17 <arch> thanks for wasting 20s of my life asshole :D
57:15 <T3sl4> i mean i don't have this kinda stuff already, i have it and can read that just fine :P
58:10 <arch> inrush on startup is about 600mA source and sink, for about 500us. probably can handle it just fine
00:23 <arch> yeah i really should make this and see for myself. exactly how much load i can place before the 555 craps itself and pops
00:43 <arch> i got a project in the works right now, so after it's done
01:15 <arch> i have too many 555 timers still. i only used like...10..out of 100 that i got, for $13 in all
01:29 <arch> and they're all DIP package...that was before i got into copperclad (smd) soldering
03:07 <T3sl4> ok like this https://pastebin.com/kxm1f8Rw
06:12 <T3sl4> oh also you can do this, saves 1 resistor https://pastebin.com/c9LpNDwh
06:26 <T3sl4> duty might be slightly dinked, who cares. ok on cmos
08:03 <arch> neat, i like that latter option
08:33 <arch> the first one didn't load for me, it had some gibberish characters on it
09:33 <T3sl4> it's unfortunate that ltspice uses mu but doesn't always encode or parse it properly
09:39 <T3sl4> not sure what charset i pasted it as
10:00 <arch> also with the latter option, freq is slightly reduced, from 132khz to 100khz, but that's not a big deal, can change the timing cap to be slightly smaller
10:17 <T3sl4> or resistor, 5.1k is slightly odd
10:32 <T3sl4> but freq doesn't really matter, it'll do about as well at 50kHz right
14:42 <arch> the ripple is noticeably worse. 96mv vs 196mv
14:52 <arch> 196mv at 50k
14:58 <T3sl4> yeah
15:35 <T3sl4> but thats still asmall part of Vout
35:24 <Nothing\> a man claiming to be from a japanese car company came to my door, stripped my shirt right off of me, then started beating me with it while singing mozart in the highest key he could possible muster
35:54 <Nothing\> he gave me back my shirt and left without saying a word other than to tell me it was for a commercial
36:15 <Nothing\> oh wait, that japanese guy was me
36:26 <Nothing\> what the hell did i do?!
37:27 <Nothing\> holy shit i got a great idea for a product
37:30 <Nothing\> mosquito farms
37:36 <Nothing\> like ant farms, but with mosquitos
38:24 <Nothing\> you can see the eggs laid in the water and the aquatic phase of their life and watch them pupate into full grown mosquitos. Then you can feed them with your own blood to continue the cycle!
38:40 <arch> Nothing\, you need to get off the cocaine
39:00 <Nothing\> and we could have a contest where one out of every 10 million mosquitos is infected with west nile and if you get west nile from it, you win a prize
39:13 <Nothing\> arch, you don't even want to see me on cocaine
39:17 <Nothing\> if you think this is bad lol
39:33 <Nothing\> this is just the result of a transient happiness
39:41 <Nothing\> a penis is a warm gun
39:52 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
40:03 * Nothing\ hug twirls Ampera 
40:06 <arch> say, why do most high voltage gate drive ICs have such awful source and sink currents? like that IR2101 you listed T3sl4
40:24 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
40:25 <arch> if you get to the 200V range, you get 1A source/sink drivers
40:28 <Nothing\> man, i saw some chicks down at the pizza place wearing scant summer clothing
40:30 <T3sl4> beats me. doesn't matter much? there are 3A+ ones too
40:35 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
40:36 <Nothing\> mmm my favourite thing about summer
40:40 <arch> but if you get to the 600V range, you get the crappy 130mA ones
40:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, might wanna put off that hug for a minute there lol
40:49 <Nothing\> :P
40:57 <arch> probably because nobody is switching super fast at those high voltages
41:03 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4
41:06 <Nothing\> nevermind the banana
41:18 <Nothing\> i'm doing well though Ampera thanks for asking
41:21 <Nothing\> how about you?
41:25 <Nothing\> and you T3sl4
41:27 <T3sl4> Nothing\: your favorite thing about summer? https://i.imgur.com/L2Bqaag.mp4
41:29 <Nothing\> and arch
41:41 <Nothing\> if that's a muffin top i'm gonna be vaguely aroused
41:46 <T3sl4> also Nothing\: mmm, banana
41:48 <Ampera> I'm awake, unfortunately
42:00 <Halcyon> Me too :(
42:02 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4
42:18 <Nothing\> am i the only one whose brain makes up sound effects for animated gifs?
42:49 <T3sl4> no https://i.imgur.com/7uRSo.gif
42:57 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
43:06 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
43:10 <Nothing\> lol
43:32 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that reminds me, i saw these weird power lines today that had something like 12 or more lines on it
43:40 <Nothing\> i was wondering wtf all of those lines were for
43:47 <Nothing\> i mean some are probably phone lines
43:51 <Nothing\> and cable
43:53 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, busy
43:57 <Halcyon> How are you Ampera?
44:09 <Nothing\> but THAT many lines on one post?
44:13 <T3sl4> well, at least 3 per branch, possibly 6+ because parallel
44:23 <Nothing\> it was out sorta in the country. at least on the border of the city anyways
44:29 <T3sl4> could be two branches at <whatever amps because 2 in parallel> each
44:43 <Nothing\> T3sl4, it's 4 branches here i believe isn't it?
44:45 <Ampera> I'm awake, unfortunately
44:51 <Nothing\> oh wait
44:54 <Nothing\> i'm confusing myself
44:59 <Ampera> Nothing\, I always knew you were gay.
45:14 * T3sl4 does Ampera a confuse
45:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol reminds me of monty python and the holy grail
45:20 <Nothing\> "i bet you're gay"
45:24 <Nothing\> "no I'm not"
45:42 <Nothing\> cuz the guy ran away from the castle full of horny women who wanted to do them
45:53 <Nothing\> i forget why
46:29 <T3sl4> probably sirens
46:32 <T3sl4> those bitches
46:44 <Nothing\> you ever notice how with movies that are oft quoted like the holy grail, the most commonly used quotes are usually from the first 10-15 minutes of the movie?
46:50 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's what i was thinking
46:53 <Ampera> the call of the mild
50:12 <T3sl4> relevant https://imgur.com/gallery/n3KIfsQ
54:18 <Halcyon> Hahaha
55:07 <Ampera> servers are nice
55:27 <Ampera> speaking of which, we need to get a Xonotic game going at some point
55:57 <Halcyon> Ampera, I'm going to buy some of these for my rack: https://timemachinescorp.com/product/rack-mount-0-5-inch-poe-ntp-clock/
55:58 <Ampera> I wonder if I just set a time, like 10AM every Sunday, if people would come on
56:06 <Halcyon> And set up my own GPS-based NTP
56:12 <Halcyon> *server
56:28 <Ampera> actually it's a personal goal of mine, at some point, to run my own atomic clock
56:39 <Halcyon> That would be cool
56:39 <Ampera> not GPS based, an actual caesium or rubidium or whatever atomic clock
57:16 <Ampera> then run a Stratum 0 server or something among that.
57:20 <Ampera> Wonder how I'd calibrate it though
57:31 <Halcyon> Well it would be Stratum 1
57:37 <Halcyon> 0 is the time source itself
57:44 <Ampera> no I know what Stratum 0 is
57:58 <Halcyon> Yes, so your server would be 1
58:11 <Ampera> Only if I fuel it off a Stratum 0 server
58:24 <Ampera> but if I calibrate it and treat it as a time standard in its own right, then it's a Stratum 0
58:31 <Halcyon> By definition, stratum 0 devices don't serve time to clients
58:55 <Halcyon> For example, I get my time feed directly from the National Measurements Institute atomic clocks and they are stratum 1
59:10 <Ampera> Interesting
59:48 <Ampera> Ah, so the Stratum 0's are the atomic clocks themselves
59:49 * T3sl4 fondles Halcyon's rack
59:54 <Halcyon> Correct
59:55 <Ampera> whereas the servers that operate them are Stratum 1
00:11 <Halcyon> That's right
00:15 <Ampera> but, then what I'm talking about it'd still be Stratum 0, but then with a Stratum 1 operating the NTP connection
00:39 <Halcyon> For example, a GPS receiver itself is stratum 0... it itself knows what the time is (or at least the ticks), but it does nothing to serve that time out via NTP.
00:50 <Halcyon> Yes, that's correct Ampera
02:07 <Halcyon> I mainly want the clocks in my rack so I can have 3 displays... One will be my "master clock" which is essentially my stratum 2 time server everything talks to, the second clock will be local GPS time and the third will be straight from the NMI servers.
02:19 <Halcyon> Why you may ask? Because I can and I like blinken lights :P
03:23 <arch> i like turtles
03:45 * Ampera gives arch a delicious bowl of turtle soup
04:15 <arch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
06:30 * Halcyon flicks Ampera in the atoms
06:41 * Ampera offers Halcyon a delicious glass of cool lemonade
09:04 <Halcyon> Mmmm lemony
09:57 <Nothing\> melony?
10:17 * Ampera gives Nothing\ some lemonade too
10:31 * Nothing\ guzzles
10:47 <Nothing\> i haven't had a good glass of lemonade in a long time
10:56 <Nothing\> i should buy some lemon juice and make some
12:00 <Nothing\> that reminds me, you ever hear about how before modern medicine, medical practitioners would diagnose diabetes by tasting the patient's urine and if it was sweet, their blood sugar was high and hence they had diabetes?
12:07 <Nothing\> i think that's some sort of a troll
12:23 <Nothing\> cuz i tried it the other day when my sugar was almost 3 times the normal level
12:34 <Nothing\> just put a tiny drop on my tongue and spit it out
12:41 <Nothing\> and all i tasted was lots and lots of salty
12:48 <Nothing\> but not a hint of sweetness
13:25 <Nothing\> so either it's a troll, or you need to be on the verge of having diabetic ketoacidosis for it to be detected
13:58 <Nothing\> but I was thinking, if sugar DOES make it into the urine in that manner, somebody should totally throw some yeast in a bunch of diabetic pee and make wine out of it
14:14 <T3sl4> it's not called diabetes mellitus for nothing
14:25 <Nothing\> T3sl4, another layer of a clever troll
14:40 <Nothing\> it's not like i'm pissing out a stream of honey
15:39 <Nothing\> i think it was either a troll, or some freudesque perversion where they come up with some "medical theory" that allows them to practice their sexual perversions without being persecuted for it
15:41 <T3sl4> i mean, you don't have full blown untreated diabetes(?)
15:49 <Nothing\> cuz you know freude wanted to fuck his mother
16:01 <Nothing\> it's all he ever talked about, and all of those theories have since been discounted
16:05 <T3sl4> he was more about scat than piss tho
16:13 <Nothing\> T3sl4, actually, i do
16:13 <Ampera> Nothing\, you need to try it state fair style
16:26 <Ampera> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/281089/state-fair-lemonade/
16:31 <Nothing\> T3sl4, full blown and completely untreated
16:43 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol i thought you were talking about tasting my piss hahaha
16:52 <Ampera> no
17:04 <Nothing\> like i should drink it through my nose, regurgitate and gargle with it or something like a state fair freak
17:31 * T3sl4 wonders if Nothing\'s horse is really that amazing after all
17:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, we don't really have state fairs here
17:47 * Ampera gives T3sl4's horse a lick
17:50 <Ampera> hrm, pruny
17:55 <Nothing\> i guess there's the canadian national expo in toronto
18:02 <Ampera> well you don't have states, so that makes sense
18:06 * T3sl4 strokes Ampera's mane
18:19 <Nothing\> oh, speaking of things canada has and doesn't have
18:31 <Nothing\> we have a new governor general now after king bitch got booted out
18:44 <Nothing\> and the new one's actually innuit
18:47 <Nothing\> imagine that
19:09 <Nothing\> i've gotta wonder if affirmative action played a part on account of all of those mass graves they're finding
19:38 <T3sl4> well, let's see. how many churches are still burning?
19:44 <Nothing\> either way, i hope she puts trudeau into line and makes him do this whole inquisition proper
20:24 <Nothing\> T3sl4, we have a church here that was built in the late 1700s that's the oldest protestant church in canada they've put a fence around it and 24/7 security
20:46 <Nothing\> it's funny though cuz i visited a couple weeks ago with my mum and there was nothing there
21:10 <Nothing\> but my mum still wouldn't let us walk up to it or anything, she was being a wuss all on edge and stuff
21:21 <Nothing\> barely let me explore the grounds of the residential school
21:24 <T3sl4> are catholic churches being primarily targeted? i haven't been following the events
21:37 <Nothing\> T3sl4, it seems any and all churches are targeted
21:50 <T3sl4> if they had a res school i wouldn't think it would matter much
21:52 <Nothing\> but yeah i haven't been paying attention either
22:04 <Nothing\> but like, this church i'm talking about is a protestant church
22:16 <Nothing\> and what's more weird, it's a church for natives
22:25 <Nothing\> it's actually called the mohawk chapel
22:31 <Nothing\> so i think that's where the issue is
22:53 <Nothing\> they don't like seeing their own being a part of these churches, even though it was only the catholic church that was involved
23:04 <Nothing\> frankly i think they need to lynch popey le pew
23:45 <Nothing\> i almost wish i were part of the catholic church so i could get myself purposely excommunicated in the most egregious manner
24:13 <T3sl4> it's entirely possible the pope had nothing to do with it, and it was under the purview of local bishops, or even more local than that (and just distributed)
24:22 <Nothing\> i came close, but my dad would have had to convert if i were to be baptized catholic and he wasn't about to do that, so i never got baptized. Thank goodness.
25:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4, be that as it may, the fact that he refuses to apologize and even went as far as to say the hate against the church is unfair is just... infuriating for lack of a better word
25:47 <Nothing\> he knows damn well what happened but refuses to make the church or anyone involved take responsibility
25:57 <Nothing\> it's the same shit that happened with the priests raping kids
26:11 <Nothing\> the past repeating itself, yet again
26:46 <T3sl4> does seem to suggest active denial more than dismissal/refutation
26:47 <Nothing\> almost to a T. Only much worse because on top of sexually assaulting the kids in these schools freely, there's all the other stuff too.
27:18 <Nothing\> i mean, an inquest declared it an outright attempted genocide
27:31 <Nothing\> you can't commit a worse crime than genocide imo
27:48 <Nothing\> not off the top of my head anyways
28:33 <Nothing\> i guess legally speaking, treason's worse. But that just shows where the legislature's priorities lie
28:47 <T3sl4> well, if you follow the news you'd think 5% higher corporate tax rate is worse
29:13 <Nothing\> speaking of such things
29:29 <Nothing\> is it me, or does it actually make somebody LOSE credibility whenever they use the word "sheeple"
30:09 <Nothing\> like, i look at a person like that and think of some conspiracy theory nutter who's never read a proper book in their life
30:20 <T3sl4> nah, only sheeple think that /s
30:33 <Nothing\> lol
31:00 <Nothing\> besides
31:12 <Nothing\> we all know the proper nomenclature is intellectually challenged
31:34 <Nothing\> oh jeez, they're making ANOTHER variation of the Switch now
31:38 <Nothing\> with a 7in screen
32:57 <Nothing\> i think the current model was pretty close to 7in anyways. Either way i never had an issue with it. The only thing I can see is when you set it up as a TV screen for multiplayer games instead of using it as a handheld. Cuz you can take the joy cons off and just have the screen on its own propped up by a little thing on the back
33:22 <Nothing\> but since i have no friends, and almost never use it in portable mode, a 7in screen means nothing to me
33:33 <Nothing\> how about they get their asses in gear with breath of wild 2
34:04 <Nothing\> we should have a pool on how many variations there will be of the switch before it's obsolete
34:07 <Nothing\> i say 5
34:12 <T3sl4> gotta bide their time, filling in with SSHD
34:31 <T3sl4> and not to leave money on the table, lets capitalize on some SS themed controllers or boxes or whateverthefuck it was
34:34 <Nothing\> yup
34:42 <Nothing\> SS?
34:48 <Nothing\> schutzwaffle?
35:03 <T3sl4> skyward sword, but sure
35:08 <Nothing\> ah, right
35:18 <Nothing\> apparently that's just a limited release
35:36 <Nothing\> not something i'm interested in though. Skyward Sword was good, but not great.
35:48 <Nothing\> and if I'm playing a zelda game, it's gonna be breath of wild
36:07 <Nothing\> nobody's gonna care about skyward sword in a month anyways
36:39 <Nothing\> it's like that remake of link's awakening
37:04 <Nothing\> everyone was all hyped up for it. Then suddenly nobody gave a damn less than a month after the release.
37:46 <Nothing\> and it wasn't a bad game at all. They even shored up some of the more annoying features, like every time you pick up an item the game has to stop and describe the item EVERY SINGLE TIME
37:59 <Nothing\> or constantly having to bring up the menu to switch between items
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38:25 <T3sl4> play randomizer. it fixes all that, plus it's infinitely* replayable
38:42 <Nothing\> actually T3sl4 i came across a game you might enjoy if you're into open world crafting sci-fi games
38:49 <Nothing\> called the dyson sphere project
38:58 <Nothing\> i can't get enough of it. But there's sooo much to learn.
39:23 <T3sl4> am aware of it
40:05 <Nothing\> yeah, the jist is you go to planets to build automated factories to mine and process materials, then I guess use the materials to craft pieces of a dyson sphere you fly out to the star in a space ship
40:31 <T3sl4> on a related note, did you see the SGDQ factorio speedrun?
40:36 <Nothing\> and it looks like the area you play in is like a small star cluster with a few dozen stars. Either way it looks like there's a lot to do in it.
40:42 <Nothing\> no i didn't
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41:04 <Nothing\> i could never get into factorio cuz of the mobs. Then somebody tells me a few days ago you can turn mobs off lol
41:08 <Nothing\> mighta been you
41:11 <Nothing\> hey arch
41:50 <Nothing\> i just found it tediuos to start building something only to have mobs come and to have to deal with them and then try to remember what i was doing
42:07 <Nothing\> such distractions are hell for a person with ADD/ADHD who's trying to accomplish a goal
42:26 <Nothing\> oh yeah, I started playing Sim City 4 again, too
42:52 <T3sl4> ah, by coincidence that's the seed they used, no mobs so it's just build to launch a rocket
43:02 <Nothing\> it's a shame the new sim city apparently turned out so shitty. I never bothered trying it cuz it's probably harder to pirate having to be online all the time and I'm not giving my money to EA.
43:07 <T3sl4> which they do with less than 2 hours
43:20 <Nothing\> nice
43:33 <Nothing\> i watched a video the other day about this odd speed run in final fantasy 7
43:40 <Nothing\> well, it's not so much a speed run as it is a challenge
44:01 <Nothing\> but the challenge is to get cloud and barret to level 99 in the first mako reactor at the beginning of the game
44:10 <Nothing\> it took the guy months to do it
44:27 <T3sl4> that must've been an incredibly boring grind
45:04 <Nothing\> frustrating too cuz you've gotta remember the level doesn't scale linearly with exp
45:17 <Nothing\> so the closer you get, the slower your progress feels
45:44 <Nothing\> between the two guys doing it, it only took them a few weeks to get to level 50, but after that it was really slow going
46:04 <Nothing\> the one guy basically just trolled everyone on the gamefaq forum after that cuz he probably gave up
46:27 <T3sl4> one run i watched a fair part of, some years ago, was a fallout 4? pacifist build
46:35 <Nothing\> then someone else got pissed off about all the trolling, got sick of waiting and decided to do it himself
46:46 <Nothing\> no weapons?
47:26 <Nothing\> i didn't like fallout 4 much. It was too reminiscent of 3 with the heavily urbanized environment. I liked the more natural environment of New Vegas better.
47:29 <T3sl4> not necessarily. it has to record no kills on the game stats screen, and a few other things give or take, i forget exactly what he did
47:46 <Nothing\> I'd always get lost in the more urbanized areas in fallout
47:53 <Nothing\> and those local maps are fucking useless
47:58 <T3sl4> trouble is, even some? kills by partners count against you, so he had to come up with some clever ways to make it work
48:23 <Nothing\> you can't make heads or tails of them and it just plops every single level of the building on top of eachother so you can't tell where the hell you are.
48:37 <T3sl4> a particularly important one (kellog) went something like, damage him down with mines or grenades, then use environmental damage, or maybe it was partner at this point i forget, to finish him
49:33 <Nothing\> lol wow
49:38 <Nothing\> that's a lot of trouble to go through
50:01 <Nothing\> it's cool how these people basically like, invent new ways of playing these games
50:09 <T3sl4> it went like 36 episodes a bit under an hour each?
50:15 <T3sl4> i forget, i skipped through a lot of it lo
50:16 <Nothing\> even if some of them are super tedious
50:17 <T3sl4> l
50:26 <Nothing\> jeez
50:40 <Nothing\> see and i had trouble just watching the first season of star trek tng
50:48 <Nothing\> and that held my attention very well
51:08 <Nothing\> plus we all know the best episodes are after Riker gets his beard powers
51:25 <Nothing\> see, I figured out everyone on that show has their own super powers
51:40 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/r/gifs/AWqo7
52:42 <Nothing\> picard has the power of diplomacy, data has the power of super human strength and information processing abilities, Troi has her empathetic abilities, La Forge can see into other electromagnetic spectra, even guinan has the power of listening
52:52 <Nothing\> and then there's riker with the best power ever
52:58 <Nothing\> the power of an amazing beard
53:10 <Nothing\> and essentially being an adonis
53:29 <Nothing\> rrofl T3sl4
53:33 <Nothing\> i want that as a poster
53:37 <Nothing\> the last image
53:51 <Nothing\> you ever see the youtube video that's a collection of clips of him sitting down?
54:05 <Nothing\> he has a very peculiar way of sitting down you'd never catch if you didn't watch it
54:32 <Nothing\> he's so tall, he basically just steps over the back of the chair instead of going around the chair to sit in it
55:12 <Nothing\> it's sad though, i've seen recent pictures of jonathan frakes and he's gone grey and put on a buncha weight
55:27 <T3sl4> you mean the riker maneuver?
55:28 <Nothing\> i think out of all of them though, denise richards aged the worse
55:36 <Nothing\> lol the riker maneuver
55:46 <Nothing\> wait denise crosby
55:48 <Nothing\> not richards
55:57 <Nothing\> denise richards was the hot one from starship troopers
56:09 <Nothing\> i'm trying to think of the one who played yar
56:28 <Ampera> Sometimes my grandfather just blows my mind in a whole new way.
56:36 <T3sl4> i mean kate mulgrew gained a lot not long after voyager i think
56:50 <Nothing\> lol somebody changed the pictures on her wiki page to pictures that aren't as bad
56:51 <Ampera> When talking to him today, he told me he had bought a chromecast (despite also saying that both his TV's had built in chromecasts)
57:17 <Ampera> So when I asked him why he did that, he said he plugged it into his laptop, and was using it to watch YouTube TV on his laptop using his phone...
57:34 <Nothing\> lol
57:42 <Nothing\> i laugh at people who buy chromecasts
57:47 <Ampera> why
57:50 <Ampera> I bought one, they're great
57:57 <Nothing\> cuz my tv has a built in function that does the exact same thing
58:04 <Ampera> ours don't
58:06 <Halcyon> The older ones were good, before you needed to connect them to the internet to stream
58:07 <Ampera> and I detest smart TVs
58:24 <Nothing\> you just pair it with your phone via bluetooth and you can see everything on your phone, plus control a cursor with the mouse and type with the keyboard
58:26 * T3sl4 casts Ampera in bronze
58:29 <Halcyon> Yeh I agree, I bought the dumbest smart TV I could find, while still having a good quality image
58:32 <Nothing\> not sure if chromecast lets you do that
58:46 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah this thing is a dumb piece of shit
58:47 <Ampera> If I ever buy a TV, I'm buying a large format monitor
58:53 <Nothing\> webos is horrible
58:53 <Ampera> it's not like I need a TV tuner anyways
58:59 <Nothing\> i'm getting a chrome TV next time
59:28 <Nothing\> i keep trying to convince my mom to buy a new one
59:31 <Nothing\> but you know moms
59:40 <Nothing\> "we already have a tv, we don't need another one"
59:50 <Nothing\> doesn't appreciate the technical differences
59:50 <Ampera> sounds reasonable
00:03 <Ampera> all a TV needs to and is supposed to do, is tune into television stations, and if it's nice, accept inputs.
00:10 <Ampera> Absolutely, and I mean absolutely /NOTHING/ else
00:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's the story of my life, I get stuck with something that does the job i want, but with some flaw that makes it super annoying to use so then I can't get a new one to fix the flaw and am stuck with something inferior
00:57 <Halcyon> I'm the opposite, I can forego the tuner, just give me inputs
01:04 <Halcyon> Mine never changes from the input source anyway
01:08 <Ampera> I just said I don't care about the tuner.
01:18 <Ampera> but you can't really call it a TV without a tuner
01:21 <Ampera> otherwise it's just a monitor
01:27 <Halcyon> *shrug*
01:39 <Nothing\> Ampera, i dunno, having youtube built into my tv saved my ass for those 2 years i couldn't have a computer
01:40 <Nothing\> remember?
01:43 <Ampera> I'd prefer an external tuner anyways, that way I can upgrade it later.
01:47 <Nothing\> my pi was too slow to stream youtube
01:53 <Nothing\> but i could still stream it off of my tv
02:14 <Nothing\> oh, speaking of tuners
02:43 <Ampera> Well, if I ever end up being stuck with bail conditions banning me from a computer, then I'll consider it.
02:48 <Nothing\> is there some guide or formula or something that can like, show me how much power output i'd need on a spark gap generator to jam radiosignals at a certain distance
03:20 <Nothing\> like "1 watt will jam signals in an X meter radius" "10 watts will jam all signals in a Y meter radius" that sorta thing
03:34 <Ampera> that's not really how EM radiation works.
03:42 <Nothing\> although i'd imagine it's not as simple as that. It probably depends on the frequency or frequencies you're trying to jam
03:49 <Ampera> iirc spark gap transmitters produce broad spectrum EM emissions all over the bands
04:00 <Ampera> if you turned even a modestly sized tuner on, you'd fuck every radio in a pretty decent radio
04:12 <Ampera> and I've never known spark gap transmitters to be particularly discrete or low powered.
04:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, right, so a high enough power output would create a great enough SNR to jam other frequencies
04:40 <Nothing\> cuz the noise from the spark gap would overpower the coherent signal you're trying to receive or transmit
05:06 <Ampera> The problem is that spark gap transmitters do not simply create one nice frequency of EM
05:08 * Halcyon probes Ampera's spark gap
05:22 <Nothing\> what i wanna know is how much power for a given effective distance
05:26 <Ampera> to a degree, I'd imagine they produce everything up to UV
05:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's not a problem, that's the draw
05:39 <Halcyon> Nothing\, it depends on what you are trying to jam
05:49 <Ampera> Nothing\, the issue is that would vary based on what frequency you're measuring
05:51 <Nothing\> i don't have to jam a specific frequency if i'm jamming all of them
05:58 <Ampera> what is in the way, and probably things like air composition and electrode material
06:09 <T3sl4> Halcyon: i'm not touching that with a single electron
06:13 <Ampera> which could feasibly affect what spectra are emitted.
06:18 <Nothing\> also
06:20 <Halcyon> It's not just frequency either, some transmissions are more susceptible to interference than nothers.
06:24 <Halcyon> *others
06:30 <Ampera> that too
06:34 <Nothing\> how illegal would it be to disrupt emergency services radio bands?
06:37 <Ampera> very
06:42 <Nothing\> that's what i thought
06:56 <Halcyon> Even just jamming normal civilian bands is illegal
06:57 <Nothing\> unrelated question, btw
06:59 <T3sl4> Nothing\: it's only illegal if they catch you
07:03 <Halcyon> Expect your FCC to come looking
07:21 <Nothing\> but like
07:28 <Ampera> Jamming pretty much anything is illegal, if you ever see the FCC warnings on the back of radios that say the device must not produce interference, and must accept incoming interference
07:28 <Ampera> that's why
07:43 <Nothing\> could i screw up a 1 block radius with a spark gap made using say, a neon transformer
07:48 <Nothing\> a good 10 or 20kv
07:55 <Nothing\> or would i need a lot more
08:08 <Ampera> Nothing\, that's not how EM works though
08:15 <Halcyon> I guess the bigger question is, why would you want to?
08:20 <Nothing\> Ampera, how do you mean?
08:28 <T3sl4> with enough wire you could jam AM radio within some miles
08:29 <Nothing\> Halcyon, because i can? to explore the science?
08:33 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me
08:47 <Nothing\> apparently we're due for a fairly severe geomagnetic storm this weekend
08:54 <Nothing\> they're expecting it might even disrupt GPS
09:02 <Ampera> Pretty much any reaction of anything will not produce purely uniform EM, you'll have an emission spectra with spikes at different frequencies, even if it's broad like in a spark gap
09:07 <Nothing\> so i'm keeping an eye out for auroras
09:20 <Halcyon> Don't forget if you're deliberately jamming radio, think about the other things you could be disrupting, like emergency services, cellular services, aircraft etc...
09:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh, well yeah i'm aware of that
09:41 <Ampera> combined with different materials absorbing different frequencies differently (even air), different susceptibility to jamming of different radio protocols
09:43 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yes... we wouldn't want that now would we
09:57 <Ampera> your AM radio might be fine within X but your phone would be fucked within Y
10:14 <Ampera> and if you are at X degrees away from the origin, it might be better than Y degrees away from the origin
10:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i said i figured it would depend on the frequency i'm trying to jam
10:44 <Halcyon> And if the US are anything like we are here... a lot of those organisations also install triangulation equipment to locate sources of interferrence, it's not just the FCC (or ACMA in our case).
10:52 <Ampera> frequency, modulation, protocol, specific equipment on the Tx/Rx end
11:21 <Nothing\> but Ampera you would expect if you took the average of the output of the generator over time, those gaps in the frequency you're talking about would be filled just by virtue of the fluctuations in the frequency that the generator puts out
11:29 <Ampera> There's a reason why spark gap transmitters are basically illegal in international maritime law
11:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, they're illegal everywhere iirc lol
11:50 <Ampera> I wouldn't expect anything.
12:30 <Ampera> Spark gap transmitters are notoriously messy, and depending on the way the spark is generated, I would absolutely expect a messy emission spectra
12:31 <Nothing\> i expect everything and then some
12:52 <Nothing\> Ampera, right i mean i'm not trying to do anything targeted here
13:06 <Ampera> you shouldn't be trying to do anything at all
13:21 <Ampera> whatever you're trying to do is very illegal, can, and has killed people before
13:33 <Nothing\> i mean, i may be trying to affect a certain band, but i'm counting on the broadness of the band affected to take care of having to figure out what those frequencies are
13:47 <Nothing\> why figure out which frequencies to jam specifically when i can just jam most of them
14:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, no no this is just a thought experiment
14:20 <Ampera> Not to mention, you can actually blow certain sensitive radio devices in a certain radius if your spark gap transmitter is powerful enough
14:22 <Nothing\> believe me, i have a better experiment to do if i had a neon transformer
14:34 <Ampera> and, as I said, they never really made low power spark gap transmitters.
14:49 <Nothing\> see i've always wanted to take the phone cable going to my house from the demarcation point
15:05 <Nothing\> and see what happens if i send 20kv through it into the phone company's equipment
15:18 <Nothing\> if the wires would melt first
15:38 <Nothing\> or if anything would pop
15:57 <Ampera> You'd get at a knock at the door, a nice time in jail, and a big fat bill
16:12 <Nothing\> lol yeah
16:22 <Nothing\> i'm sure somebody's done something like it before
16:26 <Ampera> If you do it hard enough, and depending on the network, you could blow the phones for blocks and miles
16:36 <Nothing\> i mean, if i've thought about it. Somebody has to have done it.
16:42 <Ampera> which, just like blowing up every radio for miles, can and has killed people
17:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, any notable examples come to mind? I'd be curious to read about real world examples
17:33 <Ampera> None, do your own research.
17:39 <Nothing\> no u
18:18 <Nothing\> i guess somebody robbed the pharmacy i go to for my methadone a few months ago
18:54 <Ampera> I need to play more sam and max
19:03 <Nothing\> it's stupid, he robbed my pharmacy and one other that does methadone. At my pharmacy he actually traumatized the one pharmacist so bad he had to quit cuz they threated him with machetes and hatchets.
19:15 <Nothing\> and what's the guy get for a sentence? fucking 6 years
19:16 <Nothing\> that's it
19:48 <Nothing\> in the states, regular robbery without a weapon is 4 years per count. With a weapon you get more time added on.
20:54 <Nothing\> and considering he ruined this pharmacist's life, and i know the pharmacist, he was a great guy and served the community well, you'd think they'd have added extra time on. I mean this pharmacist is going to be dealing with his PTSD well after this guy gets out of prison.
21:38 <Nothing\> yeah i suppose it's time for video games here, too
22:04 <Nothing\> starting to get nauseous from something
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28:30 <T3sl4> in case you're curious, Ampera or Nothing\ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlEVneHpRas
29:09 <Nothing\> aj ogujk sl
29:15 <Nothing\> ah right on
29:21 <Ampera> lol
29:22 <Nothing\> thanks man
39:04 <Nothing\> tit for tat
39:06 <Nothing\> https://www.intmath.com/blog/mathematics/math-of-ecgs-fourier-series-4281
39:20 <Nothing\> the math of EKGs, featuring fourier series
39:44 <Nothing\> i was thinking the other day i'd like to make my own EKG
40:35 <Nothing\> i figured i could make a simple 2 lead one using some foil pads i'd cover in conductive gel, then have those go to an op amp to amplify the signal and off to a scope to be read
40:58 <Nothing\> but that only gives me 1 angle, i believe modern EKGs use 12 angles or something like that
42:31 <Nothing\> that's why they put the leads on your legs and all over your body, so they can measure your heart rhythm from various angles. Which I didn't know made a difference but I guess it's like measuring a battery's voltage one way, then flipping it around and measuring it another way. In that case it'd be a 180 degree difference in angle.
42:39 <Nothing\> at least that's what i'm inferring
45:15 <T3sl4> something like that. in general you can form a matrix of points and measure all the differences
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08:47 <Nothing\> i wonder how much information is needed to create a single atom
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09:17 <Nothing\> how many different constants, how many variables and properties it would have
10:10 <Nothing\> and likewise for the various particles in said atom
10:44 <Nothing\> the quarks, gluons, weak gauge bosons, photons, and so much more
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12:32 <Nothing\> all interacting in something like 0.0000000000004% of the entire volume of this tiny bit of matter it's creating
14:06 <Nothing\> i guess you'd have to find the scientific definition of information at the quantum scale or even in terms of physics
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21:18 <Halcyon> I am done for the day, mentally anyway
21:22 <Nothing\> OOOOOOHHHHH
21:28 <Nothing\> i just had a eureka moment
22:12 <Nothing\> in these 6502s I got, it came with a card with various dots indicating humidity which says something like "do not bake if first dot is pink or second dot is blue"
22:40 <Nothing\> and i know they bake the silicon at high temperatures during the fab process
23:19 <Nothing\> and i JUST realized if the humidity is too high, the wafers would just crack and pop from steam pockets exploding. Like a piece of ham in the microwave.
23:26 <Nothing\> also, have a good one Halcyon
23:42 <Nothing\> assuming you mean to say you're going to bed
24:07 <Halcyon> No, I'm still working
24:12 <Halcyon> I'm just over it
24:52 <Nothing\> what kinda weird part of the weird do you live in that you're 14 hours ahead of me
24:55 <Nothing\> china?
24:59 <Nothing\> australia?
25:04 <Halcyon> Yes, Sydney
25:07 <Nothing\> ah
28:56 <Nothing\> man i really need to read things better
29:13 <Nothing\> i saw a cody's lab video entitled "making metal mushrooms"
29:28 <Nothing\> for some reason I read the title as "making menstrual mushrooms"
29:49 <Nothing\> which, knowing it came from Cody, confused the everliving hell out of me for a moment
32:15 <Nothing\> i imagined some sort of bizarre witch metalurgy in which they put menstrual blood in molten metal before casting it to give it some sort of magical properties
32:49 <Halcyon> You're all kinds of messed up aren't you Nothing\ ?
46:56 <Nothing\> and proud of it! :D <3
47:52 <Nothing\> huh
47:56 <Nothing\> they made a jackass 4
48:01 <Nothing\> coming out october 22
49:00 <Nothing\> i wonder when they'll get too old for it. they're starting to go grey
49:59 <Nothing\> i just read this morning about this stunt they did for discovery channel where this guy basically jumped a jetski into the middle of a bunch of sharks in the ocean and one of them bit his hand
50:24 <Nothing\> was some guy i'd never heard of before, poopies? or poopy? something like that
50:30 <Nothing\> either way he had a terrible name
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01:59 * steve30 has put some curry on
09:55 <Nothing\> canberra
10:18 <Nothing\> that's the antenna that is or was recieving from voyager 1 and/or 2 isn't it?
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12:47 <Watcher> Hello Nothing\ whats up
20:14 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
22:52 <steve30> hi
23:10 <Halcyon> Oh my gawd, fuck the world is getting stupid
23:24 <Halcyon> There is an "influencer" in the UK who has "come out" as Korean
23:24 <Ysjoelfir> you only noticed that NOW, Halcyon? where have you been living?
23:31 <Ysjoelfir> mornings steve30
23:49 <Halcyon> Australia, the stupidity is a little delayed down here, it takes a while to get here :P
23:56 <Ysjoelfir> I see
24:21 <Halcyon> He/it/them/something says "I don't identify as British"
26:36 <Ysjoelfir> cool. sounds similarely stupid as the white girl who identified as black
26:49 <steve30> You can identify as anything these days
27:04 * steve30 identifies as a Ysjoelfir 
27:21 <Ysjoelfir> I identify as a shrubbery
28:18 <Halcyon> Are you nice shrubbery though?
28:45 <Halcyon> I love this 30-seconds or so of Isaac Butterfield: https://youtu.be/00s5wSJVPsg?t=418
28:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: White “Influencer” Identifies as a Non-Binary KOREAN
28:51 <Ysjoelfir> yes. and not to expensive as well
28:51 <Halcyon> I laughed out loud
29:48 <Halcyon> Does that make me poodle-phobic? ROFL!
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> rofl
30:55 <Ysjoelfir> I have a very big problem with such stupid people.
33:01 <steve30> In other news, Covid-19 finishes on the 19th \o/.
33:03 <steve30> Well, almost.
33:18 <Ysjoelfir> cool!
33:54 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, it's mental health, there is no other way to explain it
35:55 * DogWomble inserts a peer to peer greeting exchange here
36:42 <Watcher> bye bye
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40:46 <Halcyon> T3sl4, you still awake?
40:59 <Ysjoelfir> the T3sl4 never sleeps
41:20 <Ysjoelfir> it just hibernates once every few years and is good to go for 10 more years without sleep
41:23 <DogWomble> aah i see he must have one of my patent pending intravenous caffiene drips
46:41 * steve30 likes sleep
46:59 * Ysjoelfir probably cuddles on the sofa soon as he had a terrible night
47:10 <Halcyon> Have you had your coffee yet steve30 ?
49:35 <steve30> i just made one
55:52 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhPNOFW4lrU
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> I love Blumenkohl
56:25 <Halcyon> Is that what that is ?
56:31 <Halcyon> It looks delicious
56:40 <Ysjoelfir> Cauliflower = Blumenkohl ^^
56:45 <Halcyon> Ah
56:59 <Ysjoelfir> literal translation would be "Flowercabbage"
57:12 <Halcyon> Makes sense
57:31 * steve30 doesn't particularly like cauliflower
57:50 <Halcyon> Have you tried it fried in batter like that?
58:03 <Ysjoelfir> nope, but I definitely will
58:08 <Halcyon> I will too
58:16 <Halcyon> It looks amazing
58:28 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
59:03 <Halcyon> Lunch for tomorrow I think
00:00 <DogWomble> the scottish way: deep fry fuckign everything
01:03 <Ysjoelfir> I think I am going to take a short nap, I feel like I fal asleep on my chair any minute....
03:32 <DogWomble> <Narrator> Ysjoelfir wakes up only to realise that he has been in statis for 3 million years, all the crew are dead after a faulty repair vapourised everyone, and the ship's comptuer has gone senile
05:06 <steve30> Good job he identifies as a shrubbery then.
05:15 <steve30> Although tbh, there might not be anyone to water it
05:46 * Halcyon takes a leak on Ysjoelfir 
06:16 <DogWomble> i'm surprised that noone picked up that i stole that storyline striaght from red dwarf :P
07:18 <Halcyon> *shrug*
22:56 <steve30> i need to go and do some gardening for grandma today
31:38 * DogWomble plays the theme to the old BBC Micro game Granny's Gardeb
00:45 <K> hello switches
00:45 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
05:32 <Halcyon> Hello contactor
05:32 <EEVBot> Hello, Halcyon!
05:41 <Halcyon> \o/ We both win!
07:25 <K> glorious!
08:56 <Halcyon> steve30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2z1SXHcLgo
08:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: クリスマスケーキ「ブッシュ・ド・ノエル・ショコラ」の作り方 Christmas Chocolate Log Cake
09:24 <Halcyon> I want cake
11:23 <steve30> yum
11:27 * steve30 wants a piece
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08:22 <K> https://twitter.com/i/status/1414555969955139584
08:33 <K> actually laughed out loud
08:36 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
08:52 <Halcyon> I cracked a smirk
13:44 <K> hey, Ysjoelfir, if you wanna see a funny, have a look at this r2r channel i've sketched up - https://imgur.com/a/TKUxU79
13:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
14:50 <Ysjoelfir> reminds me of pacman :P
16:30 <K> hehe
28:58 <Halcyon> I think electrohead passed out
28:58 <Halcyon> Breakfast curry steve30 ?
28:58 <steve30> yes
28:58 <steve30> chicken tikka masala
28:58 <Halcyon> With rice?
28:58 <Halcyon> You're an interesting person :P
28:58 <Halcyon> Not sure if I could do curry at 0700
28:58 <steve30> I managed to write a 2 page script for my gay pride video. I got a bit carried away once I got started.
28:58 <Halcyon> :D
28:58 <Halcyon> I look forward to seeing it
28:58 <steve30> As today is the day of our local cancelled gay pride, it will most likely just be me talking with various video clips of the area.
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38:00 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.redd.it/k4rhm8xux8a71.jpg
39:25 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/ip1Im3b.mp4
40:31 <K> haha
40:33 <K> yeah
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21:41 <Lord_of_nothing> Hi
21:47 <Lord_of_nothing> How does everyone here feel?
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12:29 <Ampera> good morning
14:58 <JVFoxy> heya
15:09 <JVFoxy> 4am here... couldn't sleep.. ugh
15:42 <Ampera> don't you just love the feeling of being a living zombie?
18:00 <coppice> Ampera: not really. I don't like eating brains
18:52 <Ampera> Eating ass would count, people are usually far up their own these days.
19:58 <coppice> I've eaten donkey. does that count?
20:56 <JVFoxy> moose.. can't say I liked it much..
21:24 <coppice> moose is just venison. I think most people have tried that
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21:49 <JVFoxy> was a kid at the time, friend's dad went hunting and was sharing it that one time.
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22:05 <Ampera> I have never had venison.
22:36 <Ampera> I intend to some day remedy that failing, potentially with violence towards innocent woodland critters.
22:43 <coppice> deer me, you must try it
23:07 <K> gonna eat squirells?
23:20 <K> they are nuts
23:33 <coppice> reindeer is good eating, and you can make Santa jokes all through dinner
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25:01 <JVFoxy> geh.. how many comments I see about 'meat on the table' when anything related to deer shows up on some pic gallery :\
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26:20 <K> (some joke about beating meat and dead horse)
26:43 <coppice> when our kids were young and they told their friends they eat venison they got a lot of pushback like "how can you eat Bambie?"
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28:44 <K> with a fork and sharp knife
29:04 <K> like all civilised people
29:39 <coppice> We often use chopsticks, which is the more civilized option
30:50 <JVFoxy> .... civilized... ya sometimes I wonder about that.
32:34 <Ampera> chopsticks are fine so long as you still have a knife
32:45 <Ampera> stab with the sticks, cut with the knife
32:48 <Ampera> no different from a fork really
34:29 <coppice> Ampera: most people find a spoon is a more appropriate adjunct to chopsticks, and what reaches the table should mostly have been cut up. I'll happily eat a steak with nothing more than chopsticks.
34:38 <JVFoxy> I can use either.. tend to keep to tradition if I'm eating Asian foods
34:54 <Ampera> I have never been able to use chopsticks, though I have never sat down and tried.
35:24 <Ampera> in all honesty, in my lonesome, I tend to eat my food African style
35:37 <K> have someone feed you?
36:02 <JVFoxy> parents would order out all the time.. now I think about it, I don't when I started using them. Probably when I moved out.
36:05 <Ampera> Well, if it were true African style, it'd not be eating at all
36:08 <Ampera> but I mean using my hands
36:23 <JVFoxy> mmm. finger foods
36:26 <Ampera> I probably haven't tried in ages.
36:31 <JVFoxy> just as long its not made from actual fingers
36:39 <K> fish fingers
36:43 <coppice> fish fingers
36:48 <JVFoxy> chicken toes
37:10 <JVFoxy> first place I moved out to was shared with some Jamacian lady..
37:45 <JVFoxy> waking up in the morning to crude metal meat cleaver banging down on wood block in kitchen.. cutting up chicken feet or something
37:45 <coppice> Its ages since I ate chicken feet
40:58 <K> not much to eat on a chicken feet, eh?
42:16 <coppice> well, its mostly fat, but chicken fat is where all the flavour lies
45:01 <JVFoxy> lol.. friend of mine? hot sauce.. everything
45:45 <coppice> chillied chicken feet make for a delicious salad
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47:24 <Ampera> oh quit your bitching, I've seriously considered suicide long before covid started and I'm still here :P
47:54 <Ampera> if someone has not yet seriously considered suicide, they are in all likelihood not real.
48:06 <coppice> Ampera: you're ahead of the curve
48:43 <Ampera> at least I won't be under it when it gets flattened.
49:34 <JVFoxy> nearly went suicide, but not cuz covid.. some... mess with fostering and family
50:02 <Ampera> oh fuck, you didn't kill yourself because of covid?
50:10 <coppice> A lot of families foster suicidal thoughts
50:43 <JVFoxy> no, but I would have done something stupid because of housemates and covid. I was fortunate, friend let me crash at their place for mean time to avoid all the stupidness
50:54 <Ampera> oh
51:01 <coppice> If 10% of the population actually killed themselves because of the lockdown, would those have been listed as covid deaths?
51:03 <Ampera> I misread that, I thought you said covid prevented you from killing yourself
51:04 <Ampera> whateer
51:55 <JVFoxy> Also, shortly after I moved out, depression hit pretty hard. I didn't realize being alone was going to hit me so hard. Kind of got lucky when a pet/companion came into my life.
52:40 <Ampera> I was depressed before COVID, and right before COVID got my first full time job I was going to every day
52:52 <Ampera> it was helping me a lot to be around people and actually function like a human being
52:53 <JVFoxy> naw.. had one room mate that was causing a ton of toxic problems, a bit before covid hit us. I was at friend's when that person was finally kicked out.
53:09 <Ampera> then that fucked up, everything fucked up, and I'm just as damaged and broken as I was then
53:12 <Ampera> just for longer
54:20 <JVFoxy> covid just put life on pause for me for a bit..
55:57 <Ampera> All I really could do during COVID was work in the same room, away from people, every day
57:10 <K> all day!
57:52 <Ampera> It'd have been made better if I was permitted by our great honorable state to drive, but that has been a months long irritating process
58:24 <K> have you been deemed worthy now?
59:16 <Ampera> No, I failed my first test half because I got nervous and didn't perform as well as I should, but half because the instructor was really trying to find shit to ding me on
59:26 <JVFoxy> ugh.. driving. ya not unless we shell a ton of money out over here, given gas prices ;(
59:39 <Ampera> That is literally not a problem.
00:07 <Ampera> I have the money, I know how to drive, but having to do everything exactly right on the spot for someone whose job it is to fail people is just fucked
01:02 <JVFoxy> testing?
01:12 <Ampera> The tests here last 10 minutes.
01:27 <Ampera> In those 10 minutes the instructor managed to fail me twice over, and came up with every single little thing I did wrong
02:12 <Ampera> I've driven intercity, dusk and rain, over crowded highways and through the most complicated intersections we have around
02:45 <Ampera> basically everything besides interstate driving, and just because I cut a left turn onto a narrow side street ever so slightly too hard, I'm not allowed to drive
02:50 <Ampera> and have to wait well over a month to try again
03:28 <JVFoxy> ...
03:50 <JVFoxy> and you wonder how all those idiots end up on the road in the first place.. maybe try a different testing place?
03:58 <Ampera> This is the easiest.
04:20 <Ampera> The different options are either hours away, or are in some of the most irritating cities to drive in around
04:46 <DogWomble> JVFoxy, half the drivers here where i live got their drivers license from a corn flakes packet
04:53 <Ampera> I don't get it.
05:07 <Ampera> The only thing I've thought is maybe it didn't matter how I drove the first time around, she just failed me because it was my first time
05:28 <Ampera> It didn't help I was under stress and forced to wear a mask, making it way harder to breathe
06:30 <JVFoxy> I failed my first, I had no idea what to expect so kept messing up
06:41 <Ampera> Well that's the other thing
06:44 <JVFoxy> second time around, it was just one issue, the 360 check, ended up passing me
06:55 <Ampera> I was basically told that the route would be explained to me before I started driving
07:08 <Ampera> but this asshole told me what to do right as I was supposed to do it
07:21 <JVFoxy> I was in there waiting, one person never even got a chance for being tested. Crack in the windshield, they said no testing, refunded the person.
07:24 <Ampera> I'd come to an intersection, ask which way to turn, and she'd as slow as possible say she'll tell me where to turn where we get there
08:36 <Ampera> I was driving down a street, and was told to parallel park behind /that/ car basically almost as I was about to pass it
08:39 <JVFoxy> lol.. I saw someone inching their way out of a parking lot driveway. I waved them in. Tester asked me why I stopped to let them out. I said: I saw them pulling out, wasn't sure if they were going to keep going. I'd rather have let them through than to get hit
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15:53 <JVFoxy> eh... scene from License to Drive, the cup test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcNRj48TcU
15:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Late Corey Haim & The Late James Avery in License To Drive
16:14 <JVFoxy> don't believe in clip boards (throws it out the window, probably hitting another car) c_C
17:01 <JVFoxy> eh.. and just learn that was Avery back in the early days, wow
18:07 <coppice> The best driving test in a movie is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWfn93H5zSs
18:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Otley (1968) Driving Test
20:22 <Ampera> coppice, can't fail you for not putting on the belt if the car has no belt
20:47 <coppice> Ampera: Its a 1960s movie.
20:49 <JVFoxy> no but life can fail you if you do hit something
22:01 <coppice> well, he eventually gets a pass
24:19 <JVFoxy> scene where hits the brakes hard to avoid hitting something. cup flies off the dash, but its already tempty. that I remember when I first saw it.. the rest of the movie, not so much
25:15 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
25:28 <rust_collector> days
26:09 <Ampera> Hill start test is a bit meaningless in an automatic
26:20 <rust_collector> I found a new place I want to go to, again. https://goo.gl/maps/bKhAUeTJ4ttUZ8VE9
26:24 <Ysjoelfir> well, yes, I agree
27:01 <coppice> Ampera: In the latest manual and automatics its largely meaningless. In older automatics a steep hill still requires care
28:42 <JVFoxy> lol... then there's electrics
28:52 <JVFoxy> shifting is meanless
34:00 <coppice> do any of the electrics allow the car to roll backwards on a steep hill?
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38:10 <rust_collector> heh https://youtu.be/EW8svX5OErc?t=38
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45:42 <K> as far as i see, internets do not say anything concrete about backwards rolling
48:06 <JVFoxy> depends on the setup...?
48:27 <K> prolly
48:36 <K> i know nothing about cars
48:37 <JVFoxy> could be some anti roll back thing going on... or it could just free wheel..
49:11 <K> i'd guess they must have some sort or anti-roll-back feature to be allowed on public roads
49:32 <K> devil is in the details, as with everything
49:35 <JVFoxy> I think its more likely it just releases brakes as you touch accelerator if it is setup to anti-roll back. Otherwise you just waiting power holding posision
53:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute
54:12 <Ysjoelfir> and what do you want at that place, rusty? :D
57:02 <rust_collector> nothing. but it is a place that something starts, so that is the closest I get to a reason. I just followed the river from the other end, on the map
00:08 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok. sounds reasonable :D
00:22 <rust_collector> it looks like I have to fine an umbrella, and get outside. saab/opel has the most complicated way to install a handbrake cable
00:25 <Ysjoelfir> hrmpf, my arm hurts from that stupid vaccination :D
00:39 <rust_collector> heh. perfect
00:51 <Ysjoelfir> even more complicated than the strange "we add a roller to the rear axle and route it over that" from the volvo?
00:53 <rust_collector> that is something to look forward to, I guess
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02:54 <rust_collector> well, step one is "put the car on a lift, remove half the exhaust, loosen the fuel tank straps, remove the rear bolts holding the exhaust heat shield, bend the shield down as far as you can (yes, it says that in the instructions) unhook all ends, replace, try to get everything back together
03:13 <Ysjoelfir> O_________o
03:14 <Ysjoelfir> wtf
03:23 <Ysjoelfir> seriously?
03:37 <rust_collector> seems the 9-5 is based on the second generation opel omega
04:10 <Ysjoelfir> my uncle would love it, as its an opel. I hate those, kind of
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05:01 <rust_collector> I have very mixed feelings about opels. the nicer models are pretty ok to drive, but they are piles of rolling poo
05:44 <Ysjoelfir> One word: Opelgold. As we tend to say in germany. Ever heard that?
05:53 <rust_collector> wifes dad had a senator 3liter, the first gen omega looking one, and that was not a bad running thing
06:02 <rust_collector> yes. it is everywhere, lol
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06:26 <Ysjoelfir> Hehe^^
06:47 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to have a Senator. Or a Diplomat.
06:51 <Ysjoelfir> Oooor a Admiral.
07:44 <rust_collector> the first car I had on the road, was an -82 rekord, it did very well, but I had to replace all the weirdest parts. like the a pillar, which was "gold" all the way thru
08:55 <rust_collector> heh. I just tacked in a piece of rebar, and shaped the rest out of filler.... aaah, good times
11:16 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^ thats how you treat an opel!
12:39 <rust_collector> but it was a very reliable car. never any problems with that one
13:11 <rust_collector> I think I put brake pads, and a fan belt in that one.
15:05 <Ysjoelfir> thats... not much
15:47 <rust_collector> not bad for a well used first car
16:05 <Ysjoelfir> Indeed not, especially for an opel :P but that was the time where opels were better, afaik? btw, I just refueled the BMW the first time. I think I have to adjust the carbs a lot, it needed 18 liters for 177km x.x
16:48 <rust_collector> yeah, I think opel went to shit around 85-86
17:04 <rust_collector> uuuhm, and you have the carbs balanced, and...?
17:14 <Ysjoelfir> not realy, no :P
17:18 <rust_collector> ah
17:33 <rust_collector> that won't help much, lol
17:35 <Ysjoelfir> Also the fuel lines were a bit leaky this morning
17:38 <Ysjoelfir> indeed not^^
18:10 <rust_collector> kid #3 said the mower was leaking fuel, from the hose..
18:14 <electrohead> o/
18:25 <rust_collector> it is 2 or 3 years old. completely rotten
19:03 <rust_collector> so I used a piece from a 1996 citroen, which was still in ok shape, lol
19:14 <Ysjoelfir> I think I will take it to the north when I move there and leave the volvo in frankfurt the first week. I should bring it to a BMW mechanics and let them check it through, don't want to drive 700km with a kinda working bike :P
19:26 <Ysjoelfir> lol? high quality mower obviously xD
20:03 <rust_collector> it was very cheap, and I like it a lot. it is very lightweight and nice to use
21:57 <rust_collector> I guess, if you find a bmw garage, that has some old guy working there...
22:05 <Ysjoelfir> I should get that power generator thing working again and put that onto ebay. and other stuff, just to have to move less stuff
22:34 <Ysjoelfir> we have one around afaik. I should call them. but they aren't exactly cheap, roughly 300 for carbs, valves and oil
22:44 <rust_collector> especially if you are moving on a bike, lol
23:12 <Ysjoelfir> naaah, I won't move stuff with it xD I just want to have it up there at first to be mobile.
23:21 <rust_collector> yeah. it is not free, but if it is a guy who knows what to do on that model, it would be very worth it, I think
24:27 <Ysjoelfir> I think so too
25:18 <Ysjoelfir> When we go on vacation I will pick up an original volvo roof.... erm... carriage.... metal frame box thingy... on the way. That should be usefull to move some stuff
27:05 <rust_collector> I think they used thule since... forever?
28:08 <Ysjoelfir> I mean one of that style: https://www.vehikit.de/p/12019/alu-top-aluminium-dachtraeger-dacia-dokker-van-2013?gclid=Cj0KCQjwiqWHBhD2ARIsAPCDzanPUekmm6MmITDsVH_UTIz1DFJHbQon5dcHQaYd8vldrIKB2yqS5T4aAsEWEALw_wcB
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28:20 <Ysjoelfir> just... older and not made from aluminium
28:28 <Ysjoelfir> and obviously not for a dacia dokker xD
28:52 <rust_collector> just cut the roof off a dacia?
29:09 <Ysjoelfir> I think I prefer the original roof rack thing :D
29:17 <rust_collector> oh well
30:54 <Ysjoelfir> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/6f/06/ce6f0610319a29987bf4c23cda5cda9f.jpg it should be pretty much that one. I might have to remove my searchlights and mount them on the rack than, but meh. we'll see
31:38 <rust_collector> but then you would have to blank off all your holes?
32:03 <Ysjoelfir> yep
33:50 <Kuschelpony> soo, waiting for the glue to bond and dry
34:02 <Kuschelpony> maybe i can show some photos tomorrow or perhaps even tonight
34:09 <rust_collector> hey. what did you make?
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> for your DIY TV?
34:15 <Kuschelpony> new little mechnaic project
34:19 <Kuschelpony> yep :)
34:23 <Ysjoelfir> nice
34:30 <Kuschelpony> just a experimenting chassi
38:14 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir so, put a sheet of plywood on that, and nail a tent on top?
38:26 <Ysjoelfir> That could be a fun thing to do indeed
38:59 <rust_collector> I wonder how a tent would like 150km/h wind over time, lol
39:52 <rust_collector> well, I should go do something. it is still raining, but not so much, until I go outside
41:17 <electrohead> o/
42:46 * Ampera hugs electrohead
43:01 <Ampera> how are you elecko?
48:50 <electrohead> just woke up, you?
52:28 <Lord_of_nothing> Hey boys and girls!
55:03 <Ysjoelfir> mornings you all
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