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02:54:42 <arch> question. for an analog scope, when it turns on, why does it take some time for the beam to gradually brighten into view? is it because the heater filament is current limited?
03:30:50 <arch> soo i think my tek crt is fine. i found that some divisions have reduced brightness. what's weird is, the next lower timebase has a BRIGHTER trace than the slower trace
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04:41:41 <arch> SUCCESS. calibration complete
04:42:00 <arch> well, the traces are a bit dim, but whatever. can tinker with that if needed in the future
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07:15:21 <DHess_US> "Stop cracking your knuckles. It is rude and annoying." *pop* *crack* "Did you just pop your shoulders and elbows?" *puppy eyes* "No?"
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08:15:49 <Some_Person> Goodwill stuff. Didn’t buy anything today: https://imgur.com/a/vHq9t30
08:15:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
08:40:24 <Halcyon> I wish we had stores like Goodwill here
08:40:32 <Halcyon> Most of our seconds shops are just full of clothes
08:44:36 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
08:44:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
08:44:41 <Ampera> how are you doing halcyon?
08:44:52 <Halcyon> Tired, slept like crap again. How are you?
08:45:01 <Ampera> I just went to a couple stores
08:45:07 <Ampera> and bought out those couple stores :P
08:45:14 <Halcyon> What did you buy?
08:45:21 <Ampera> yes
08:45:49 <Halcyon> Heh
08:45:59 <Halcyon> More noodles?
08:46:17 <Ampera> A bit, some nissin raoh noodles, soy sauce and tonkotsu flavor
08:46:22 <Halcyon> Yum
08:46:30 <Ampera> I bought 6 lbs of lemons, 6 lbs of limes, 5lbs of grapefruit
08:46:37 <Halcyon> I was craving croissants this morning but my favourite bakery is closed on Monday/Tuesday :(
08:47:40 <Ampera> 10 lbs sugar, 1lbs prosciutto. 2lbs ribeye steak, 4.5lbs 80/20 ground beef, 3.5lbs porkchops, 3lbs stew meat
08:47:47 <coppice> Halcyon: how does that affect your Sunday craving?
08:47:55 <Halcyon> Because today is Monday
08:47:58 <Ampera> 3 cans beef gravy, four pie crusts, taco seasoning
08:48:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, obviously your calendar is wrong
08:48:11 <Halcyon> I wish it were :(
08:48:38 <Ampera> 1 loaf Vienna bread, 2 lobs of pizza dough, 2 large cans tomato puree, 2 small cans tomato paste, fresh oregano, fresh mint
08:49:01 <Ampera> 3lbs generic crisco, a 12" cast iron skillet, a cone/reamer juicer
08:49:40 <Ampera> 2 tubes liverwurst, 2lbs cheese, 44oz's mushrooms
08:49:54 <Halcyon> I'm convinced only half of what you've said is real food :P
08:50:15 <Halcyon> What the hell is a "can of beef gravy" ?
08:50:24 <Halcyon> Is it literally gravy in a can?
08:50:30 <Ampera> yes, for use in making pies
08:50:41 <Halcyon> Make proper gravy you lazy bitch
08:50:52 <Ampera> I don't have enough beef to make gravy for the pies
08:51:25 <Ampera> I also have limited time, whatever I make must be cookable in under 3 hours
08:51:50 <Ampera> besides the skillet, juicer, and arguably crisco, it's all food
08:52:06 <Ampera> I bought 30floz soy sauce (2 bottles)
08:52:11 <Ampera> what else did I buy
08:52:16 <Ampera> 12oz crushed red pepper flakes
08:52:38 <Halcyon> I feel like pie now
08:52:43 <Halcyon> Might do chicken and leek
08:52:51 <Ampera> you fat fuck, you just got done complaining about it
08:53:20 <Halcyon> No, I just don't approve of your shortcut methods :P
08:53:46 <Halcyon> Oooh or maybe I could do beef brisket. I made ribs yesterday and the sauce/marinade would go amazing
08:53:46 <Ampera> it's really hard to make gravy out of just chops of stew meat
08:53:55 <Halcyon> You're a chop of stew meat
08:54:03 <Ampera> it's not particularly flavorful meat, and there aren't a lot of juices that come off it
08:54:09 <Ampera> that's why it gets put into a pie with canned gravy
08:54:29 <Ampera> the point of most meat pies is to use scraps and leftover bits that aren't worth much, sort of like baking a soup
08:55:05 <Halcyon> That's why you add some good stock, maybe some red wine, onions, garlic etc...
08:55:19 <Halcyon> Birdseye chillis also go well
08:55:29 <Ampera> Alcohol is disgusting
08:55:33 <Ampera> especially red wine, it tastes awful
08:55:34 <Halcyon> Then leave it out
08:55:42 <Halcyon> You could use beer instead
08:55:52 <Ampera> It's illegal for me to buy alcohol you dickhead
08:55:53 <Halcyon> Stouts go well in beef pies
08:55:56 <Halcyon> Oh yeh :P
08:55:57 <Ampera> beer is even worse
08:56:13 <Ampera> all alcohol is fucking disgusting
08:56:27 <Halcyon> You're fucking disgusting
08:56:41 <Ampera> also how is using stock any different from using gravy
08:56:47 <Ampera> gravy is just stock with less water and thickeners
08:57:05 <Halcyon> Because it's not just reconstituted powdered crap full of fillers and thickeners
08:57:17 <Ampera> neither is canned gravy
08:57:19 <Ampera> it's just gravy
08:57:30 <Halcyon> What are the ingredients ?
08:57:50 <Ampera> hahaha
08:57:55 <Ampera> it even says "made with real beef stock" on the can
08:58:03 <Halcyon> Yeh great. Meaningless.
08:58:07 <Halcyon> What is actually in it?
08:58:16 <Ampera> beef stock, food starch, wheat flour
08:58:23 <Halcyon> That's like saying carrots are "organic"
08:58:29 <Halcyon> What's in the beef stock
08:58:32 <Halcyon> That could be bloody anything
08:58:33 <Ampera> less than 2% beef fat, salt, gravy flavor base
08:58:45 <Ampera> beef stock is bones and drippings cooked into water
08:58:48 <Ampera> also you said stock
08:59:21 <Halcyon> I know what it is... but what is it in this case. Over here you can't "hide" ingredients under another name. If a product had "Beef Stock" on it, it would need to list the individual components of that ingredient.
08:59:38 <Ampera> flavor base comprised of hydrolized corn protein, soy protein, wheat protein, yeast extract, beef juices, salt, maltodextrin
08:59:48 <Halcyon> Mmmmm nummy :P
08:59:59 <Ampera> corn, soy, wheat, yeast extract
09:00:02 <Ampera> I see no problems
09:00:12 <Ampera> in a flavoring agent that's less than 2% of the product
09:00:15 <Halcyon> Everything except the beef and salt shouldn't be in there :P
09:00:27 <Ampera> it's literally just gravy master
09:00:36 <Halcyon> This is the point I'm making, proper stock and proper gravy doesn't have that stuff in it.
09:01:06 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's fine if you want to be a hypochondriac and be scared of anything with a name longer than 6 letters, but you don't have to inflict that upon me
09:01:14 <Halcyon> Maybe a little wheat flour or corn starch to thicken it up if you aren't using geletine from the beef itself
09:01:46 <Halcyon> No, I just don't like fake overly processed foods. You can knock yourself out :)
09:01:52 <Ampera> It's perfectly fine to eat, tastes just fine, and there's nothing wrong with it.
09:02:02 <Ampera> It's not fake, it's made out of actual beef, and normal ingredients
09:02:03 <Halcyon> Fair enough
09:02:20 <Ampera> as I said, you're just afraid of anything that isn't simple enough for you to understand
09:02:28 <Halcyon> I'm not afraid of anything.
09:02:38 <Halcyon> We just have different tastes.
09:03:44 <Halcyon> I wish this wind would fuck off
09:04:37 <Ampera> it was a nice day today
09:04:41 <Ampera> around 81-85F
09:14:17 <Halcyon> Lucky
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10:13:42 <Halcyon> Argh, manually downloading Windows updates sucksssss
10:33:15 <coppice> Halcyon: the automatic downloads suck too
10:43:41 <Halcyon> coppice, I'm downloading post-rollup 1 updates for Windows 2000
10:44:00 <Halcyon> Because Microsoft in their wisdom couldn't be fucked creating a second (and final) rollup package
11:02:02 <Ampera> what's the point
11:02:19 <Halcyon> So my Windows 2000 machine is as up to date as it possibly can be
11:02:27 <Ampera> so no point
11:02:35 <Halcyon> ^
11:03:16 <Ampera> I have no good machines I can /really/ say would work well for Windows 2000
11:03:16 <Halcyon> If I'm running legacy software, might as well get all the patches I can, while they are still available
11:03:25 <Ampera> I do have a Sockat A machine that would be a good candidate I suppose
11:04:18 <Ampera> I both do and do not see 2000 as something special, since it was one of my favorite releases of Windows (probably Windows at its peak) and one I used to use all the time
11:04:28 <Halcyon> And because basically the latest version of IE and just about every other web browser that will run on Win2k is broken and doesn't display modern pages properly, Windows Update is also broken, so the updates have to be done manually.
11:04:46 <Ampera> I'm aware, but I basically install SP4 and then forget about it
11:04:58 <Ampera> since it's not like the last few security updates are going to make it any less insecure
11:04:59 <Halcyon> There are many updates after SP4
11:05:29 <Ampera> I'm aware, but it doesn't really matter since I'm not going to be relying on Windows 2000 to be secure for anything
11:05:39 <Halcyon> So while I can be bothered, I'm collating every update available
11:05:47 <Ampera> and usually after the last service pack, any feature or UX updates are long since gone
11:08:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're totally gonna be watching Olympic baseball, right?
11:08:15 <Ampera> you wouldn't miss it for the world!
11:08:21 <Halcyon> Yes, totally....
11:08:37 <Ampera> it's gonna be cool tho
11:08:50 <Halcyon> I'm sure it is
11:08:54 <Halcyon> I have nil interest in sports ball
11:09:15 <Ampera> you'd love hockey
11:09:27 <Ampera> a bunch of big canadians on ice beating the shit out of people with long sticks
11:09:33 <Halcyon> *shrug*
11:09:41 <Ampera> are you even gay anymore
11:09:42 <Ampera> :/
11:09:51 <Halcyon> All sport is boring to me. Sifting through the Microsoft update catalog is more engaging
11:10:04 <Ampera> I think that may be the saddest thing you've ever said :P
11:10:10 <Halcyon> True though
11:10:38 <Halcyon> If I was going to watch any "gay" sport, it would be swimming. It's as close as you can get to softcore porn
11:11:22 <Ampera> swiming is a sport I'd rather play than watch
11:11:29 <Ampera> not that I am anything close to a competent swimmer
11:12:24 <Halcyon> See, I hate playing sport even more than I like watching sport
11:12:29 <Ampera> I would like to play baseball at least once in my life
11:12:43 <Ampera> The problem is, like many sports, you kinda need people to play it
11:13:01 <Ampera> and it's not that common you find a group of people interested in A. playing it, and B. playing with a complete rookie
11:13:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, you keep up that attitude, the only sport you could be playing is sumo
11:14:10 <Halcyon> I'm actually quite fit even though it seems I just sit on my ass all day, I actually do stuff outdoors
11:14:45 <Ampera> I might be willing to admit masturbation is a sport, but you could at least keep that shit inside...
11:15:01 <Halcyon> :P
11:15:15 <Ampera> That Toshiba laptop I got is gonna turn into quite the intersting project
11:15:20 <Halcyon> Yeh?
11:15:26 <Halcyon> Do tell
11:15:40 <Ampera> First, I need to take the whole thing apart and neutralize all the crusted on NiCd acid
11:15:54 <Ampera> the chassis is part metal part plastic, but it's pretty much all spray painted
11:16:08 <Halcyon> It just adds flavour
11:16:10 <Ampera> so I'm gonna have to find a way to take the spray paint off the plastic without melting the plastic
11:16:14 <Ampera> then respray the thing
11:16:31 <Ampera> I'm gonna have to also trace/stencil whatever silkscreen is on it (I can see only one place) and reapply that afterwards
11:17:07 <Ampera> I also need to source a power supply for it, as the one I got with it was the wrong one
11:17:20 <Ampera> it's just a 12V barrel jack, but it's a quite large barrel jack I have no power supplies for
11:17:45 <Halcyon> Got a photo of the DC connector?
11:17:52 <Ampera> The hard drive will also be a concern. That laptop is from 1990, so there's a good chance it's an IDE drive, and if so I can probably make a compact flash replacement
11:18:02 <Ampera> no, but I don't need help sourcing a part, I can figure it out
11:18:10 <Ampera> it's just a normal barrel jack
11:18:20 <Halcyon> I'm pretty sure Toshiba PSU's were fairly standard for a long time
11:18:28 <Ampera> not this far back
11:18:36 <Halcyon> Which is why I asked for a photo
11:18:45 <Halcyon> If for no other reason by my own curiousity
11:18:58 <Ampera> it really wouldn't need much current anyways, since it's just an 80C86 and a passive, unbacklit LCD
11:19:17 <Ampera> probably not much more than 1-2A, if that
11:20:06 <Ampera> Some parts will need retrobright, which will be the perfect opportunity for me to invest into a theory I've had for years about a retrobright process that takes no consumables besides electricity
11:20:09 <Ampera> and can be done inside without sun
11:20:31 <Halcyon> Without chemicals?
11:20:34 <Ampera> Yes
11:20:52 <Ampera> The 8-Bit guy did some experiments a while ago, and found that ozone, just like hydrogen peroxide, could reverse the yellowing of plastics
11:21:08 <Ampera> it needs UV, but the chemistry makes sense, as peroxide and ozone are both heavy oxidizers
11:21:12 <Halcyon> Yep
11:21:48 <Halcyon> Makes sense
11:21:49 <Ampera> so my idea is to simply have a sealable plastic box, get an uncoated quartz tube mercury discharge (fluorescent without the fluorescence) lamp
11:21:56 <Ampera> and maybe a fan to circulate
11:22:20 <Ampera> the discharge lamp produces strong UV, enough to produce ozone
11:22:31 <Halcyon> It would be a much cheaper on-going solution
11:22:56 <Ampera> only concern would be that the plastic box can take constnat exposure to UV, and that no ozone gets out, since ozone isn't particularly healthy at quantity
11:23:06 <Ampera> though, even if I didn't use a sealing box, a little bit of ozone is not a huge deal
11:23:24 <Halcyon> You can always place it near a window or take it outside when it comes time to open it
11:23:25 <Ampera> I'd be more worried about ocular contact with the high frequency UV
11:24:06 <Ampera> so whatever box I use needs to absorb (or reflect) UV without being destroyed or letting it pass through
11:24:14 <Ampera> a normal plastic tub would probably work, at least for a bit
11:24:27 <Halcyon> Most hardware stores sell UV stable plastic tubs
11:24:33 <Halcyon> I bought some dark grey ones
11:24:45 <Ampera> it needs to be opaque, and have a lid that either seals, or can be sealed
11:25:03 <Ampera> it doesn't need to be totally airtight, some open cell foam would probably work
11:25:29 <Halcyon> Or buy a roll of that window sealing adhesive tape
11:25:32 <Ampera> probably the most expensive part would be the UVC lamp and driver
11:26:12 <Ampera> but what'd be cool about this system is you could potentially even retrobright parts without ever taking apart what they're on
11:26:24 <Ampera> and without using expensive peroxide baths, or streaky paste application
11:26:50 <Ampera> I'm kinda surprised nobody has thought about and tried it yet, maybe someone has
11:29:03 <Ampera> The laptop would actually be quite cool to have around though. It's an 8086, but it's upgradeable to 9MB of RAM (presently at 3MB)
11:29:06 <Ampera> which is a lot for an 8086
11:29:25 <Ampera> would probably be a decent machine to run Windows 3.0 on, especially if I can find drivers for Toshiba Graphics (if those are not already included with Windows)
11:29:27 <Halcyon> A safer option where you wouldn't need to use a UV lamp is to just buy an ozone generator
11:29:47 <Ampera> how is that safer
11:29:49 <Ampera> I still need UV
11:30:02 <Halcyon> Well you aren't looking at UV for one, no heat involved
11:30:18 <Ampera> but I still need UV, UV is essential to the process of retrobright
11:30:32 <Ampera> it'd have to be in the sun, which is a lot more inconvenient, and will get a lot hotter
11:30:44 <Ampera> it also means whatever box I have needs to have a lid transparent and stable to UV, but also capable of containing ozone
11:30:47 <Ampera> which is gonna be a lot harder
11:30:57 <Ampera> and the problem really is more ozone leaking to the point of dangerous levels
11:31:10 <Ampera> I could do something like foil line the box so that UV can't escape
11:31:21 <Ampera> it'd be good anyways, since the foil would reflect the light onto the parts better
11:33:19 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbIIZmsQG4c
11:33:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Omega Mart’s Weekly Specials: Canned Romance
11:44:16 <Halcyon> Mmmmm jiggly
11:45:52 * Ampera shakes Halcyon's jigglies
11:46:05 <Halcyon> Hehehe it tickles
11:48:10 <Halcyon> Well, that's the first lot of 89 updates downloaded
11:48:42 <Ampera> you are insane
11:49:17 <Halcyon> :)
11:51:35 <Halcyon> Ampera, did I tell you, I bought a telephone line emulator
11:51:54 <Ampera> er wha
11:52:06 <Ampera> so just an ATA without the ATA?
11:52:14 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265240318506
11:52:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Teltone TLE-A-01 Telephone 4-Line Emulator POTS Simulator 250-00208-02 WARRANTY | eBay
11:52:41 <Ampera> HOLY SHIT
11:52:58 <Ampera> You spent over 250 bucks on that?
11:53:02 <Halcyon> Yep
11:53:07 <Ampera> but what does it even do
11:53:13 <Halcyon> The 2-port ones normally go for about that if not more
11:53:29 <Halcyon> It provides line voltages, tones, etc... etc...
11:53:34 <Halcyon> It basically emulates an exchange
11:53:48 <Ampera> why not just use an ATA like a DADHI card
11:54:03 <Halcyon> Because they are expensive too
11:54:06 <Ampera> you could have easily bought a multi-port ATA card for that much
11:54:12 <Ampera> yeah but it would have been way better, and you get an ATA out of it
11:54:32 <Halcyon> It wouldn't be supported by my Windows 2000 box
11:54:38 <Halcyon> Which is going to be my dial-in server
11:54:39 <Ampera> my 4 line DAHDI card was only around 60 bucks iirc
11:55:00 <Ampera> you could have had some other PC operating the ATA
11:55:07 <Ampera> just switch the calls over, I did it here
11:55:20 <Ampera> for almost 300 bucks you could have probably even gotten something with more than 4 ports too
11:55:22 <Halcyon> Meh, I deliberately wanted old-school
11:55:28 <Halcyon> Old dial-up modem etc...
11:55:44 <Halcyon> I really only need 2 ports
11:57:38 <Ampera> sometimes I feel bad about wasting money on shit, but this is next level :P
11:57:58 <Halcyon> It's only a few hundred bucks, plus I've always wanted one
11:58:23 <Ampera> "only"
12:10:00 <Halcyon> Meh, I don't treat myself often
12:52:06 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.redd.it/3e9qv6m4vcd71.jpg
12:55:40 <Ampera> hahahaha
12:55:51 <Ampera> I knew exactly what that was too
13:02:31 <Halcyon> Hahaha
13:02:32 <Halcyon> Love it
13:11:27 <Halcyon> All available updates are done \o/
13:11:31 <Halcyon> Some were from 2010
13:25:16 <T3sl4> oh deng, a turtleramen spotted in user sub https://imgur.com/gallery/MJxRRDn
13:25:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Korean beef stew recipe - Album on Imgur
13:43:13 <Halcyon> Awww cute doggo
13:44:33 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #EEVblog
13:44:35 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
13:45:03 <Nothing\> you know that alexander graham bell actually proposed that as the standard greeting when answering a telephone
13:45:09 <Halcyon> Hey Nothing\
13:45:13 <Nothing\> i forget who suggested hello instead
13:45:18 <Halcyon> Is that true?
13:45:20 <Nothing\> hey Halcyon how's it going?
13:45:24 <Nothing\> Halcyon, as far as i know
13:45:26 <Halcyon> Not bad thanks
13:45:31 <Halcyon> How about you?
13:45:32 <Nothing\> good to hear
13:45:37 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright
13:45:58 <Halcyon> Cool cool
13:46:01 <Nothing\> actually i'm doing pretty good aside from needing a good poop
13:46:23 <Halcyon> Hahahah tearing up a little bit?
13:46:46 <Nothing\> i'd like to take something for it before bed but every time i do that, it kicks in within like 4 or 5 hours of me going to bed and there's nothing more annoying than waking up in the middle of the night having to poop
13:47:02 <Halcyon> Can't say I've ever experienced that
13:47:02 <Nothing\> just some mild cramps thankfully
13:47:10 <Nothing\> you're a lucky man
13:47:20 <Nothing\> what's with all of you guys and having such regular bowels
13:47:32 <Halcyon> I drink coffee first thing in the morning :P
13:47:34 <Nothing\> ampera told me he's never had poop cramps before in his life
13:47:41 <Nothing\> i didn't even know such a thing was possible
13:47:52 <Halcyon> The only cramps I've had have been from eating too much chilli the day before
13:48:01 <Nothing\> ah i can't tolerate caffeine
13:48:06 <Ampera> I've rarely ever even been constipated
13:48:19 <Ampera> I shit with gusto, so it's not usually a problem for me
13:48:20 <Nothing\> plus like all of my meds cause severe constipation, so that doesn't help
13:48:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah you're lucky man
13:48:37 <Nothing\> here's an interesting tidbit
13:48:42 <Ampera> oh no
13:48:42 <Nothing\> did you know nicotine is a laxative?
13:48:47 <Ampera> yes
13:48:53 <Nothing\> many smokers use a cigarette to poop
13:48:57 <Nothing\> or in my case, vaping
13:49:05 <Nothing\> in gets the muscles going almost instantly
13:49:07 <Halcyon> Coffee does it for me. First thing in the morning it gets things racing.
13:49:26 <Nothing\> i've also found if i relax the right muscles, it can eliminate boners almost instantly too
13:49:27 <Ampera> for me it's apples
13:49:30 <Halcyon> It's quite satisfying actually
13:49:34 <Halcyon> Yeh apples too
13:49:36 <Ampera> eating tons of apples makes my shit go
13:49:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, apples are high in vitamin c and in high doses vitamin c can cause diarrhea
13:49:59 <Nothing\> so it would make sense that it would help you to go
13:50:00 <Halcyon> There is a reason why they call it the "green apple splatters"
13:50:10 <Nothing\> plus apples are chock full of fiber
13:50:22 <Ampera> it's probably more the fiber
13:50:23 <Nothing\> Halcyon, cuz it's the color of green apples
13:50:27 * T3sl4 fondles arch's knobs
13:50:33 <Halcyon> Heh
13:50:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, i dunno you'd be surprised the effect vitamin c can have
13:50:52 <Nothing\> like, they add vitamin c to those kool-aid packets
13:51:05 <Ampera> why is it whenever you're in the channel the topic turns to bodily processes
13:51:06 <Nothing\> and i once experimented with combining two different flavors
13:51:28 <Halcyon> Ascorbic acid is added to many foods and beverages
13:51:28 <Nothing\> just having 2 packets of kool-aid mix in the drink was enough to give me purple diarrhea
13:51:45 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah that's the chemical name of vitamin c
13:51:57 <Nothing\> and usually what they call it on the label
13:52:05 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
13:52:19 <Nothing\> unless specifically promoting it as a vitamin thing or listing it in the nutritional info
13:52:23 <Nothing\> heya T3sl4
13:52:31 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3
13:52:36 <Nothing\> how you doing
13:52:58 <Nothing\> apparently too much vitamin c can also cause severe kidney stones
13:52:59 <T3sl4> havin a chilled coffee
13:53:27 <Nothing\> to the point where the calcium oxalate crystals literally shred your kidneys to the point where they're useless
13:53:44 <Nothing\> T3sl4, nice. I prefer iced cappuccinos
13:53:57 <Nothing\> even though the caffeine wreaks havok with me
13:54:40 <T3sl4> ah, ascorbic acid is degraded to oxalate in part. yep, that would happen
13:54:58 <Nothing\> yeah, i was surprised to learn that just a few months ago
13:55:12 <Nothing\> for years i always thought vitamin c was virtually harmless
13:55:31 <T3sl4> you can tolerate a fair amount of oxalate. as long as you hydrate enough to keep it washed out
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13:56:53 <Nothing\> i remember hearing about this vitamin c "hyper dosing" regimen that's supposed to cure colds back in the late 00's. I forget the exact doses but it was something like you take several grams every 30 minutes until you have explosive diarrhea. Then several more grams once or probably more times per day
13:57:58 <T3sl4> yeah. people are weird
13:58:07 <Halcyon> Silly meat bags
13:58:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i piss in bottles at night cuz on account of the diabetes i end up pissing at least half a dozen times or more per night. But anyways, I've noticed lately for some reason small amounts of a sand type substance in some of the bottles. It's weird.
13:58:27 <Nothing\> makes me wonder if maybe they're like, proto kidney stones.
13:58:28 <Halcyon> Thanks for sharing Nothing\ :P
13:58:31 <T3sl4> fresh, or precipitated on sitting?
13:58:46 <Nothing\> it's been sitting several days by that point
13:58:50 <T3sl4> eww
13:58:51 <Nothing\> i've never noticed it in fresh
13:59:00 <Halcyon> *days* ?
13:59:11 <Nothing\> i clean them out once a week
13:59:21 <Nothing\> dump em all out and throw them out with the weekly trash
13:59:41 <Nothing\> lol i used to just throw them out without dumping them out
14:00:03 <Halcyon> I'm going to go have a shower
14:00:13 <Nothing\> i'd hate to think of the condition of the back of those trucks after compacting a trash bag with 20 or 30 gatorade bottles full of piss
14:00:17 <Nothing\> haha
14:00:25 <Nothing\> a "golden" shower?
14:00:38 <Halcyon> No, a regular, nice-smelling kind :P
14:00:55 <Nothing\> yeah i never got people who were into that
14:01:02 <Halcyon> What? Smelling good?
14:01:05 <Halcyon> Or the other thing
14:01:08 <Nothing\> like that woman on my strange addiction who bathed in her own piss
14:01:11 <Nothing\> and drank it
14:01:20 <Nothing\> and swore that the older it was, the better
14:01:22 <Halcyon> Yehhhhhhh that's enough story time for me I think
14:01:34 <Nothing\> haha
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14:02:06 <Nothing\> i'll spare you the one with the ocd girl who well... let's just say every time she pooped she had to use a tooth brush but not the way they're meant to be used
14:02:28 <T3sl4> enjoy Halcyon
14:02:30 <Halcyon> I appreciate you not going into details :P
14:02:35 <Nothing\> lol
14:02:36 <Halcyon> Back soon guys
14:02:40 <Nothing\> enjoy, man
14:02:54 <Nothing\> heh that's like this youtuber i was talking to via comments a few weeks ago
14:03:16 <Nothing\> i forget how, but the conversation drifted to gross things you shouldn't google but probably will
14:03:25 <Nothing\> i gave him some doozies.
14:03:33 <T3sl4> i love blue(berry) waffles
14:03:41 <Nothing\> lol that's what he said too
14:03:45 <Nothing\> but that one isn't real
14:04:07 <Nothing\> i recommended fournier's gangrene
14:04:25 <Nothing\> which is basically gangerene of the genitals, possibly only male. i'm not sure
14:04:40 <Nothing\> i've only ever seen pictures of guys with it. But it looks friggin brutal.
14:05:03 <Nothing\> I couldn't imagine somebody with an infection that severe not dying of sepsis
14:05:18 <Nothing\> especially in such a difficult area to treat
14:05:55 <Nothing\> i wouldn't imagine a debridement of that area woudl be easy with the femoral artery and all that other stuff in the area
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14:06:12 <Nothing\> the large nerves and tendons for the legs
14:06:56 <Nothing\> i'll probably regret it, but i almost feel like looking up a case report of it now just to see what the outcome was
14:07:17 <T3sl4> or the reddit favorite "swamp of dagobah" story
14:07:26 <T3sl4> but yeh, that happens
14:07:48 <Nothing\> never read that one
14:08:13 <Nothing\> on a similar but less gross note
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14:08:52 <Nothing\> it's cool to think how different parts of our skin are like their own biomes. With their own unique bacteria depending where on the body it is.
14:09:11 <Nothing\> it's like our outsides mirror our insides to a degree
14:10:16 <Nothing\> i think i read somewhere recently though that the whole thing that we have 10x more bacterial cells in our body than our own cells isn't actually true
14:11:09 <Nothing\> although i've also heard we have several kilograms of bacterial in/on us. Which I haven't heard anything about one way or the other.
14:11:29 <T3sl4> several, unsure, but most of it is poop
14:11:45 <T3sl4> what's the figure? about equal parts live bacteria, dead bacteria, and fiber
14:12:59 <Nothing\> yeah there's quite a bit of dead bacteria
14:13:11 <Nothing\> some random chemicals too, like indole and scatole
14:13:24 <Nothing\> maybe cadaverine, i'm not sure
14:13:27 <T3sl4> not very much of them, but they're smelly so
14:13:36 <Nothing\> and toxic
14:14:34 <Nothing\> although indole serves as the backbone for many important drugs and neurotransmitters like ecstasy, mescaline, and dopamine
14:14:46 <Nothing\> oh yeah, and amphetamines
14:15:14 <T3sl4> the degredation product of typtophan
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14:16:28 <Nothing\> tryptophan or tryptamine?
14:17:29 <T3sl4> the amino acid. it's dietary
14:18:46 <Nothing\> ah yes
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15:07:11 <arch> me gusta
15:21:21 <Halcyon> Mmmmm mesclun
15:24:43 <Halcyon> Any of you guys used USB to RS-232 converters before?
15:26:23 <T3sl4> yes
15:26:59 <Halcyon> Are they more or less fairly universally compatible?
15:27:16 <Halcyon> I know there are some cheap Chinesey ones and others purporting to have FDTI chipsets
15:27:25 <Halcyon> FTDI
15:27:42 <T3sl4> in what sense? the drivers are vender specific, they'll only accept on whatever enumerates as their thingy
15:28:02 <T3sl4> brand name reputable supplier FTDI are fine, as are prolific
15:28:03 <Halcyon> I want something that will work on old-school OSs like 2000/XP
15:28:08 <T3sl4> ebay shitjobs are whatever you get
15:28:35 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331650027323?epid=10025426241&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item4d37e1cf3b:g:0XwAAOSwyQtVzyeg&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSprd4IgPv6LBzlteBBg9Pez9%252FbT3hcuJpkxF%252BEhJGb%252FV%252F2upRVeVfEwmj0P0h6qy01FkbAzUHDxR7zkMxGeEfI0YWrmaPfEadm%252Fs9svt4LdEXPB%252FtXSzkn1THq92nOyoeGsnODJMwOF2IgT0Mx1TUVLCOiCRW3ZnUerdDU3H6nZAsGpXqTO4akrK4Z6s%252BZ95%252FEVWjPVYP0Dk%252Bg8QdtPvraOk9NmadNyqmSi4M2GFI
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15:28:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - IOCrest USB to Serial Port Converter Cable RS232 DB9 (FTDI Chipset) 232A | eBay
15:28:39 <Halcyon> Shit
15:28:41 <T3sl4> wtf
15:28:50 <Halcyon> Try https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331650027323
15:28:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - IOCrest USB to Serial Port Converter Cable RS232 DB9 (FTDI Chipset) 232A | eBay
15:29:08 <Halcyon> This claims FTDI using a "Cypress VCP" driver. Never heard of it
15:29:13 <T3sl4> shrug, if they have 2k/xp drivers it oughta work
15:29:20 <T3sl4> virtual com port
15:29:24 <Halcyon> Ah of course
15:29:40 <T3sl4> as in cypress made the vcp layer? or is it actually a cypress chip being sold incorrectly
15:29:49 <T3sl4> or, did cypress buy ftdi? i dont remember
15:29:57 <Halcyon> The chinglish doesn't fill me with confidence
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15:30:49 <alfbaz> hi
15:30:52 * T3sl4 fills alfbaz with "confidence"
15:30:59 <Halcyon> :D
15:31:17 <alfbaz> Why thank you T3sl4
15:31:34 <alfbaz> howdy Halcyon
15:31:39 <T3sl4> reminds me, i didn't make it out to the store this evening, will have to get some tomorrow
15:31:39 <Halcyon> Hey alfbaz
15:31:48 <Halcyon> Wine?
15:32:12 <alfbaz> mmm booze
15:33:21 <alfbaz> haven't had a drop for 5 weeks... This is no way to live :P
15:33:39 <T3sl4> haven't had any for like 40 hours, also no way :P
15:33:46 <alfbaz> lol
15:33:52 <Halcyon> My glass is empty
15:34:11 <alfbaz> top her up mate!
15:34:35 <Halcyon> I will
15:34:37 * T3sl4 whines at Halcyon
15:34:41 <alfbaz> cheers
15:35:16 <Halcyon> https://www.aten.com/au/en/products/usb-&-thunderbolt/usb-converters/uc232a/
15:35:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - USB to RS-232 Adapter (35cm) - UC232A, ATEN USB Converters | ATEN ANZ
15:35:20 <Halcyon> Aten are a pretty decent brand
15:35:28 <Halcyon> They even have legacy drivers for Windows 95
15:35:34 <Halcyon> Can't ask for more than that
15:35:45 <T3sl4> yey
15:35:54 <Halcyon> Argh fuck and of course my supplier is out of stock
15:36:03 <T3sl4> wish i could find 95 drivers for the PCI USB card i have
15:36:09 <T3sl4> then i'd have USB in my pentium
15:36:28 <Halcyon> What kind of card is it ?
15:38:06 <T3sl4> uuuuuh
15:38:24 <T3sl4> oh i have a SBLive! in here too, PCI, uh one notch i forget what voltage that is
15:38:36 <T3sl4> the pentium already has passable onboard audio tho, i don't mind ^-^
15:38:45 <T3sl4> anyway, belkin F5U220 PCI
15:38:49 <Halcyon> Depends which side the notch is on
15:39:01 <T3sl4> NEC D720101GJ chipset
15:39:22 <T3sl4> rear notch?
15:39:42 <Halcyon> Rear is 5v I believe
15:39:46 <Halcyon> Fairly standard
15:40:04 <T3sl4> don't recall what the pentium is but probably that
15:40:49 <Halcyon> I might have a drive to suit that NEC card
15:40:53 <Halcyon> *driver
15:40:59 <T3sl4> owo
15:41:22 <Halcyon> I'll send you a link
15:41:38 <Halcyon> (I've accumulated a big collection of drivers and software over the years)
15:42:36 <T3sl4> i'll send you a link in return https://i.imgur.com/kUBnB.jpg
15:42:59 <Halcyon> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KBpXOmkeWawnoqqJJDmpYvxUmkp9K3O0/view?usp=sharing
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15:43:25 <Halcyon> I've included a hardware support list in a text file in there. It's a fairly generic driver that works with a lot of USB controllers
15:43:46 <Halcyon> Heheheh cute
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16:05:52 <T3sl4> oh hey, windows has updated my clock for daylight savings time
16:06:09 <T3sl4> ...aaand it's 40 minutes behind. seems the RTC could use a refresh or something :P
16:06:18 <Halcyon> Happppppy birthday!
16:07:14 <T3sl4> put the card in, lemme see about them drivers...
16:09:14 <T3sl4> yey, ethernet still talks
16:09:25 <Halcyon> Weeeee
16:09:31 <Halcyon> What sort of Pentium is it?
16:19:01 <T3sl4> PC750-P90
16:19:14 <T3sl4> 64MB RAM, 2MB S868 SVGA
16:19:43 <T3sl4> hm, seems like the card doesn't exist. wouldn't think it's broked, but maybe the bus is somehow incompatible despite it being should-be-ok
16:19:58 <steve30000> hi
16:20:16 <Halcyon> Did you try forcing the driver anyway?
16:20:25 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
16:20:38 <T3sl4> i hit install on the INFs, didn't do anything
16:20:48 <T3sl4> no questionmarks in device manager
16:21:04 <Halcyon> What does it come up at in Device Manager?
16:21:08 <Halcyon> *as
16:22:25 <T3sl4> no nothin
16:22:51 <Halcyon> Hmmmm.... that doesn't sound good.
16:23:11 <Halcyon> It should at least come up as an unknown device if it's working. Try another slot?
16:23:13 <T3sl4> the card isn't hot or anything, it's not obviously-dead
16:23:50 <T3sl4> i only have the two slots, can try swapping it with the 10/100
16:24:12 <Halcyon> Or try the old clean-the-contacts-with-a-rubber-band and blow the dust out trick?
16:24:36 <T3sl4> oh pfft, i have actual contact cleaner you know :P
16:24:51 <T3sl4> they're nice and tight at least, the sockets
16:25:04 <Halcyon> I love when you talk dirty T3sl4 :P
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16:25:08 <T3sl4> gives the backplane a good bend to get anything in :P
16:25:16 <Halcyon> Hahaha
16:25:18 <Halcyon> Hmm
16:28:47 <steve30000> Apparently royal mail are going to deliver my parcel between 8:49 and 12:49.
16:29:15 <Halcyon> I love that you get such time frames. I'm waiting for something from UPS, all I got is "Before Friday"
16:30:11 <T3sl4> indeed, suspicious specific would be welcomed over negligently vague
16:33:54 <Halcyon> UPS have held my package (heh) since Friday, I paid the import duty on Friday (and it hit their account within seconds). Still hasn't progressed.
16:33:55 <Halcyon> Assholes.
16:41:30 <T3sl4> i'd say you usually have to pay for services like that, but, you did
16:41:52 <T3sl4> oh hey, it shows a PCI device now, three of em even. not sure if the network card is behaving now
16:44:02 <T3sl4> oh that's nice. when i tab over to network adapter resources, it freezes
16:48:36 <Halcyon> T3sl4, did that invite to EEVblog on Discord work?
16:48:52 <Halcyon> Sounds like that machine has issues
16:50:38 <T3sl4> oh yeh
16:50:57 <T3sl4> yeah, the win95 that's on it is, i forget some weird middle OCR version?
16:51:18 <Halcyon> If it's Windows 95b, you'll need to install the USB Supplement
16:51:21 <T3sl4> and win95 is crap about versions, basically reinstall the whole thing not just migrate a few kernelbits here and there
16:51:25 <Halcyon> If it's 95c it comes with it
16:52:07 <T3sl4> oh i guess i just had to wait for the resources to show, go figure :P
16:52:46 <T3sl4> but yeah it's a bit cursed anyways, it's a miracle anything runs at all, i copied this poor thing https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/BadClusters2.jpg onto a CF card
16:52:54 <T3sl4> so it's technically a SSD machine :P
16:53:06 <Halcyon> Oh gees!
16:53:20 <Halcyon> I have never seen that many B's and still had the drive "work"
16:53:41 <T3sl4> some sectors it would take whole minutes to ponder over
16:54:20 <T3sl4> the MS office that was on it, i think doesn't quite work? i forget
16:54:49 <T3sl4> a bunch of random shit didn't make it, and i forget what i managed to replace from install files, but probably not with the right versions
16:55:01 <T3sl4> but the core windows stuff seems to work well enough, so there's that :P
16:56:31 <Halcyon> Sounds like it needs a format/reinstall
17:00:16 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, I'm surprised there is still an up-to-date virus scanner that works on Windows 2000
17:02:24 <T3sl4> well, i suppose there's still business in keeping those running
17:02:34 <T3sl4> would think mostly enterprise customers tho
17:03:06 <Halcyon> This one is based on ClamAV
17:03:12 <Halcyon> Hehe Clams
17:12:47 <T3sl4> your worst enemy
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17:33:57 <T3sl4> oh, and looks to be plainest of all OEM windows, 4.00.950
17:34:08 <Halcyon> Oh wow
17:34:37 <Halcyon> No USB support for you
17:34:55 <T3sl4> what does that need then, service pack? just scrap the whole thing and install newer?
17:35:08 <Halcyon> Nope, you'll have to install an entirely new version
17:35:24 <Halcyon> Do you want an ISO or 4.00.950 ?
17:35:27 <Halcyon> *of
17:35:46 <Halcyon> *C
17:35:59 <Halcyon> (OSR 2.5)
17:36:22 <T3sl4> they got it on archive, winworld etc
17:36:26 <Halcyon> Yep
17:36:51 <Halcyon> It was a nice version of Windows 95, a lot of the glitches were ironed out and it was stable
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17:37:16 <Halcyon> You'll also need boot floppy images
17:38:41 <T3sl4> i should uh, oh what do you do for making images
17:38:58 <Halcyon> You don't have any floppies/USB FDD?
17:39:18 <T3sl4> also i have cygwin on here so if it's just dd osmething that's easy
17:39:32 <Halcyon> I've never dd'd a floppy disk... urmmmm
17:39:50 <Halcyon> I'm actually not too sure. I've never had to create a set of boot disks in Linux
17:39:52 <T3sl4> i can make whatever i want right now, well once i get the stupid network card working again
17:40:15 <T3sl4> but i was thinking archive a copy of my CF card since i don't have a huge stack of em to swap out
17:40:16 <Halcyon> For Windows I've used PowerISO before
17:42:10 <K> hello kettles
17:42:35 <Halcyon> Evening frosting bag
17:43:59 <K> Mr Frosting Bag to you
17:48:45 <Halcyon> :P
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17:54:10 <steve30000> I've ddd floppy disks
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17:55:53 * steve30 has felt like crap for the last few days
18:01:25 <K> > https://i.redd.it/venkxhwwrgd71.jpg
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18:15:14 <Halcyon> Do you have the covids steve30 ?
18:15:51 <Halcyon> K: Very accurate
18:16:00 <Halcyon> The things we do
18:20:37 * steve30 pets his stash of coronaviruses :p
18:21:32 <Halcyon> I hope you feel better soon Steve
18:22:12 <steve30> Hopefully, although I've been feeling like crap all year so I can't see it getting much better anytime soon
18:23:44 <Halcyon> *hugs*
18:24:06 <Halcyon> If only you were on Signal Steve, I'd spam you with stupid cat photos from next door
18:32:38 <Halcyon> Nawww chipmunks are so cute
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18:48:42 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNCRUH9IAo
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18:48:46 <Halcyon> Holy crap I want that
18:49:40 * steve30 is downloading ChuckleVision episodes off YouTube
18:50:33 <Halcyon> What's a ChuckleVision?
18:57:22 <steve30> the Chuckle Brothers are a pair of comedians from here in Rotherham who made a childrens TV show called ChuckleVision in the 1990s
18:57:55 <steve30> Here's a good episode. It features electricity
18:57:56 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQv0W3VmDY
18:57:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ChuckleVision 7x05 Power Play
18:59:28 <K> glorious 240p
19:00:04 <steve30> actually i think the version of that episode which i already have might be slightly better quality than that
19:05:51 <Halcyon> That intro was way longer than it needed to be
19:05:52 <Halcyon> :P
19:07:45 <Halcyon> Not my kind of show Steve :P
19:21:08 * DogWomble_ starts a peer to peer chat exchange
19:31:35 <DogWomble_> why is vegemite on toast so delicious?
19:32:00 <Halcyon> I'm assuming with butter as well DogWomble_ ?
19:32:10 <DogWomble_> tha would be correct :D
19:32:28 <Halcyon> Well then, because it's awesome
19:33:29 * DogWomble_ sings the happy little vegemite song
19:37:19 <K> vegemite sounds like some insect poison to me
19:37:41 <K> certainly not something edible
19:38:19 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/ieanB_9mTvo?t=76
19:38:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 줄서서 먹는 대왕떡갈비 / popular hamburger steak - korean street food
19:38:36 <Halcyon> Yes, that looks hygienic as fuck
19:39:00 <steve30> I've never had vegemite
19:39:12 * steve30 nibbles on some marmite instead
19:39:13 <Halcyon> It's like a less runny marmite
19:39:29 <Halcyon> It has the consistancy of smooth peanut butter
19:39:35 <Halcyon> Or a soft butter
19:39:48 <DogWomble_> vegemite is marmite, but better
19:39:55 <Halcyon> Basically
19:40:15 <Halcyon> But you must have it on buttered toast
19:40:20 <Halcyon> Plain toast is illegal
19:40:43 <DogWomble_> it even has its own song!
19:40:46 <DogWomble_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNiOZInvLog
19:40:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: HAPPY LITTLE VEGEMITE SONG (FULL ORIGINAL TV COMMERCIAL)
19:40:51 <Halcyon> Don't do it!
19:40:54 <Halcyon> Argh!
19:41:12 <DogWomble_> haha :D
19:41:23 <Halcyon> Oh that is infuriating
19:42:40 <Halcyon> If you do try it Steve: https://blogs.qut.edu.au/international-student-stories/files/2014/10/1374107_587585661295571_176734790_n_zpsdaccd2af.jpg
19:42:59 <DogWomble_> at least it's not that crazy frog version of axel f
19:43:13 <DogWomble_> a classic synth classic of the 80s ruined by a ringy dingy fucking frog with a microdick
19:44:07 <Halcyon> I need to wee wee
19:45:57 <Halcyon> Oh by the way DogWomble_ did you see, Toobs are back
19:46:19 <DogWomble_> yes i did see that
19:46:25 <DogWomble_> i'm tempted to find some, those things were great
19:46:49 <Halcyon> Apparently 7-Eleven are getting first stock, followed soon by the major supermarkets
19:46:57 <Halcyon> I think they should have them by now
19:47:17 <Halcyon> Ahh from tomorrow at 7-Eleven
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21:06:07 <Lemon> I found a super nice thingie !
21:06:25 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1997781946.htm
21:06:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
21:06:43 <Lemon> I dont really need it, but shit, I want it
21:07:02 <Lemon> and it cost ten times what the guy ask, so well maybe I can sell it for a nice profit later if I dont use it
21:10:14 <K> what is that?
21:10:44 <K> wire-wrap tool?
21:18:45 <Halcyon> What does it do Lemon?
21:18:51 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
21:18:54 <Ampera> go to bed, idiot
21:19:02 <Halcyon> It's 2118 fuckstick
21:19:05 <Halcyon> You go to bed!
21:19:16 <Ampera> I just woke up, your clock is wrong
21:19:19 <Ampera> it's 07:19
21:19:33 <Halcyon> My clock is sync'd off an atomic clock
21:19:59 <K> fuckstick
21:20:07 <Ampera> it's sync'd off the wrong clock you fuckstick
21:20:09 <Ampera> hahaha
21:20:21 <K> is there more to the ethymology or just two words stuck together?
21:21:17 <Halcyon> I don't think so bitch. Atomic clock is in Sydney, 20ms delay, 1.410 ms jitter
21:21:31 <Ampera> well that's your problem
21:21:42 <Ampera> you want a NIST clock with pure, delicious, American time
21:21:52 <K> and 10 galon hat!
21:21:55 <Halcyon> Ew no, we don't need your silly time
21:22:21 <Ampera> understood, complete trade embargo between the US and Australia for all thyme and thyme containing products
21:22:29 <Halcyon> Which by the way are NIST traceable
21:22:44 <Ampera> our thyme is NIST traceable?
21:23:26 <Halcyon> K: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuckstick
21:23:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Urban Dictionary: fuckstick
21:23:35 <Halcyon> It's the same as calling a friend a dickhead
21:23:59 <Ampera> cockgobbler
21:24:02 <Halcyon> The word can have a negative and positive meaning in 'Straya
21:24:06 <Ampera> dickdevourer
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21:24:18 <K> russel the love mussel
21:24:24 <Halcyon> Basically yes
21:24:26 <Halcyon> :P
21:24:33 <steve30> hi
21:24:37 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
21:24:48 <steve30> i was just doing electrical tests
21:25:09 <Halcyon> If you like the person, calling them a dickhead etc... is the same as calling them a friend.
21:25:53 <Halcyon> steve30: Did it pass?
21:26:14 <steve30> I didn't find the fault
21:26:21 * steve30 has too much earth leakage
21:26:29 <Halcyon> Bugger
21:26:39 * Ampera gives steve30 adult tinfoil underwear
21:27:05 <steve30> but the downstairs sockets circuit has about 10mA earth leakage on it. Hardly anything for the upstairs.
21:27:23 * Halcyon tingles steve30
21:30:57 <steve30> 29000 coronavirus cases yesterday. Down from 48000 on the 18th.
21:31:23 <K> delta is receeding?
22:59:42 <K> https://imgur.com/a/XtigED2
22:59:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
22:59:48 <K> the magic!
23:03:05 <Ampera> you need more sand grain parts
23:03:13 <Ampera> I hope you're putting that together by hand
23:03:33 <Ampera> you're gonna make some pick and place machine cry
23:04:21 <K> 0805 is quite ok for hand
23:04:31 <K> but it is by hand, yes
23:04:39 <K> well, will be
23:05:20 <Ampera> You are a god and a legend.
23:05:51 <K> and i like to share!
23:05:55 <+electrohead> o/
23:06:33 * T3sl4 sprinkles K with resistor packs
23:06:34 * Ampera hugs electrohead
23:06:36 * Ampera hugs T3sl4
23:06:38 * Ampera hugs K too
23:06:44 <T3sl4> morning Ampera :)
23:06:50 <T3sl4> electrohead ;)
23:07:34 <+electrohead> what's up with the winky face?
23:07:58 * electrohead stabs your winky face with Ampera's hugs
23:08:13 <T3sl4> ;')
23:08:16 <T3sl4> ow
23:08:25 <+electrohead> goof, lol
23:08:42 <Ampera> When do you start your new job, electrohead?
23:08:48 <+electrohead> I already started it
23:08:56 <+electrohead> today is the start of my fourth week
23:09:40 <K> T3sl4: 1% i hope?
23:10:43 * T3sl4 hoards his 1%ers
23:11:35 <K> you are being a part of problem!
23:23:34 <Ampera> electrohead, are you working remote then?
23:36:23 <+electrohead> I am
23:36:35 <Ampera> nice, so am I
23:36:35 <+electrohead> And I'm not moving to Baltimore, *fuck that*
23:37:00 <Ampera> Don't blame you.
23:37:17 <K> whats in Baltimore?
23:37:27 <K> despair and suffering?
23:40:13 <Ampera> It's you're typical broken city like Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, and Portland, with a hint of inequality through infrastructure
23:44:03 <T3sl4> a hint?
23:44:29 <Ampera> I don't live there, I can't speak for what it's like, but it's the impression I get.
23:44:47 <+electrohead> It was complete shit
23:45:12 <+electrohead> Beggers, druggies everywhere
23:45:15 <Ampera> DC and Baltimore have some of the highest crime and poverty rates on the east coast.
23:45:29 <+electrohead> Yeah that too. And my boss wants me to move there, fuck that
23:47:20 <Ampera> idk if you really need to be closer, you could move somewhere like York
23:47:38 <Ampera> 40mi away from the city center, but I'd wager at least one less brick through your window every night
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