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01:34 <+electrohead> lol
01:50 * electrohead throws the Ender 6 printer at T3sl4
02:06 * T3sl4 becomes an ender6man
02:10 <+electrohead> lol
02:15 <+electrohead> I just ordered it
02:24 <T3sl4> that's some throw you've got there then
02:31 <+electrohead> I know, right!?
02:34 <+electrohead> lol
02:42 <+electrohead> err, too many lol's
02:49 <+electrohead> it's habit of my fingers
02:57 <+electrohead> ANd a bad habit, at that
03:17 <+electrohead> And* ... speaking of my fingers, they're broke today
07:42 <hsn> https://youtu.be/Uke3_7qHTYk
07:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: EEZ BB3 promo video
11:39 <K> hello hsn
11:47 <hsn> hello kiwis
11:55 <hsn> how is it going with u
12:14 <K> ah, the eez, the stuff that you can never buy for any money
12:57 <hsn> why
14:01 <K> that is the impression i get
14:42 <K> it does look nice though
15:16 <hsn> that thing has a looooooot of work
15:37 <hsn> its shame if they didnt turn it into profitable project :)
15:43 <K> they prolly wont
15:53 <K> like 99.999% percent of all kickstarter stuff
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16:21 <hsn> u r just being Kathode
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16:25 <hsn> negative
16:37 <K> yes i acknowledge that
16:57 <hsn> you should NAK
17:02 <K> haha
17:06 <K> missed oportunity indeed
17:12 <hsn> :D
21:32 * T3sl4 splashes NAK in water
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21:53 <K> rude!
34:30 <hsn> k
34:31 <hsn> https://www.envox.eu/store/
34:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Products – EEZ – Envox Experimental Zone
34:37 <hsn> they have it in store?
34:44 <hsn> with price ?
35:48 <K> ok
36:56 <K> things have changed
37:09 <K> and looks like for better
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33:24 <Lemon> Halcyon sorry for the delay ! its a tool to pull and cut plastic ties :>
38:35 <Lemon> yay DHL comes in 2 days for goodies
42:02 <Kuschelpony> interesting DIY microscope https://www.scinexx.de/news/technik/selbstbau-mikroskop-aus-lego-und-handy-linsen/
42:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Selbstbau-Mikroskop aus Lego und Handy-Linsen - Einfach zu bauendes Mikroskop erreicht eine Auflösung von unter einem Mikrometer - scinexx.de
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03:00 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20210726_145929.jpg
03:01 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
04:26 <rust_collector> mmmm. bread with blood and maggots on top
11:20 <DHess_US> Did you make enough for everybody?
15:30 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20210726_151340.jpg
15:31 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
15:32 <Ampera> no
19:11 <TheDude> hey
19:44 <TheDude> Ampera, your wisdom is needed
21:10 <rust_collector> google it
21:15 <TheDude> nyet
21:38 <Ampera> ok
21:44 <rust_collector> yandex it?
22:01 <TheDude> so, parents are buying a pair of air conditioners
22:15 <TheDude> and they're looking at some Daikins, which apparently have wifi integrated
22:31 <TheDude> and from what I gather, their security is... questionable at best
22:42 <Ampera> just don't hook it up to wifi
22:45 <Ampera> easy
22:53 <Ampera> no need to be on it
22:59 <TheDude> well, they'll probably want the ability to enable the AC remotely
23:03 <rust_collector> unplug the wifi module? just don't use it?
23:16 <TheDude> not a separate module, from what I gather
23:21 <Ampera> put it on a properly rated remote outlet or switch
23:28 <rust_collector> it will be, with some snips
23:45 <TheDude> I was thinking of setting of setting up a VLAN and then making a hotspot just for these retarded internet of shit products
23:56 <TheDude> keeping everything isolated from the home network
24:03 <TheDude> would this be the correct way to go about this?
24:25 <TheDude> derp
24:54 <rust_collector> make it connect to the fridge and vacuum cleaner
25:36 <Ampera> it can still do shit like use your internet for DDoS attacks
26:18 <TheDude> yeah, that much is true
29:35 <TheDude> ugh
29:47 <TheDude> this unit apparently even has some retarded "intelligent eye"
30:09 <TheDude> basically a microbolometer with a couple of tens of pixels of resolution
30:22 <TheDude> and it directs air at the hotter spots in the room or some shit like that
31:09 <TheDude> these sorts of appliances have been engineered to absurdity
31:40 <rust_collector> well, people keep buying them
31:57 <TheDude> people are dumb
32:04 <Ampera> why don't you just get air conditioners that aren't IoT
32:12 <TheDude> people install facebook onto their mobile phones and grant it all sorts of permissions
32:36 <Ampera> do Samsung still make window units? They're also a good option for a decent aircon
32:53 <TheDude> nope
32:57 <TheDude> window units aren't a thing here
33:03 <TheDude> plus they look ridiculous
34:06 <TheDude> permanent installation is the way to go
35:48 <Ampera> then why the fuck is it IoT
36:01 <Ampera> it's gonna be wired into a thermostat, at which point you can pick whatever the hell you want
36:04 <TheDude> because people apparently want this trash
36:20 <TheDude> thermostat? no
36:23 <Ampera> also, get heat pumps
36:26 <rust_collector> just veto it
36:42 <Ampera> is this central air or just per room
36:43 <TheDude> can't use a heat pump when you're in an apartment
36:49 <TheDude> per room
36:51 <Ampera> they're in an apartment?
36:55 <Ampera> this is getting even weirder..
37:00 <TheDude> they're moving into an apartment
37:08 <Ampera> also why can't you use a heat pump in an apartment
37:20 <TheDude> hold up
37:37 <TheDude> when you say heat pump you mean the one that has coils buried underground?
37:40 <Ampera> no
37:57 <rust_collector> you can use outside air as the underground
37:57 <Ampera> a standard heat pump is just a reversible air conditioner
38:22 <TheDude> okay, well then it is a heat pump
38:31 <Ampera> good
38:36 <TheDude> most decent air conditioners work both ways, heating or cooling
38:40 <Ampera> they are very rare here, almost no air conditioners have them
39:07 <Ampera> well, I mean to say almost no air conditioners are them
39:56 <TheDude> anyhow, they'll have floor heating across the entire apartment, so heating isn't going to be a problem
40:09 <Ampera> is it electric heating?
40:16 <Ampera> because electric resistive heating is gonna be way more expensive than heat pumps
40:18 <TheDude> it might come in handy if they need to warm up the apartment quickly when they get home from a trip or something
40:27 <TheDude> nah, hot water
40:32 <Ampera> ah alright then
40:44 <TheDude> yeah, heating with electricity is expensive
41:00 <Ampera> we have forced air, so if we ever wanted to install central air/heat pump that'd make it easy
41:37 <TheDude> that means you have vents distributed around the rooms, aye?
41:55 <TheDude> I've only seen that in commercial buildings over here
42:15 <Ampera> Yeah, most rooms have a vent
42:15 <TheDude> the vast majority of people have wall-mounted radiators for heating their homes
42:24 <Ampera> Oil filled radiators are common here too
42:26 <TheDude> people here*
42:28 <Ampera> depends on the home
42:35 <TheDude> not oil
42:38 <TheDude> water
42:45 <Ampera> I know you said water, I said oil
42:50 <TheDude> okay
42:57 <Ampera> some are water, some are oil
42:59 <Ampera> depends on the house
43:00 <TheDude> those are popular as portable units
43:06 <Ampera> here most of our homes are heated with natural gas
43:17 <Ampera> some places, like Connecticut, use diesel for heat
43:22 <TheDude> natural gas is great for heating
43:37 <TheDude> the furnaces can have ridiculously good efficiency
44:02 <TheDude> the house where the parents are currently has a combination of solar heating + gas furnace
44:02 <Ampera> pizza turned out good
44:13 <TheDude> and the furnace is like 99.something% efficient
44:24 <Ampera> our furnace is a bit older, so it'
44:28 <Ampera> s not as good, but it's pretty good
44:37 <TheDude> the air going into the chimney is literally just above room temperature
44:50 <TheDude> in fact, it adds another problem
45:14 <TheDude> they had to run a duct within the existing chimney that has a water collection thing at the bottom
45:47 <TheDude> because the cold outlet tends to result in condensation inside the chimney
45:50 <Ampera> our furnaces don't exhaust through the main chimey
45:52 <Ampera> er, chimney
45:59 <Ampera> it goes out through a pipe by the side of the house
46:13 <TheDude> I see
46:48 <TheDude> it is worth noting that this thing was a retrofit onto a chimney that was made for very hot exhaust gases
47:04 <TheDude> because the previous furnace was diesel
47:21 <TheDude> not sure what the custom is for fitting these sorts of furnaces normally
47:50 <Ampera> The chimney we have would probably have originally been used for coal or a wood stove
48:31 <Ampera> but the chimney is not proximate to the furnaces we have now, and the exhaust is probably so little it doesn't make sense to pipe it through there
00:57 <TheDude> buh
01:07 <TheDude> now looking at mitsubishi units
01:17 <TheDude> apparently they have wifi as a separate module
01:35 <TheDude> which would actually be rather convenient, because one could sniff the protocol and replace that shit :D
02:05 <TheDude> I'm sure they run some simple protocol between that and the main unit
02:17 <TheDude> UART, SPI, I2C or something like that
03:07 <TheDude> also lol
03:08 <TheDude> https://vitanest.si/sites/default/files/katalogklimatskihinprezracevalnihnapravmitsubishielectric-april2021.pdf
03:13 <TheDude> 3rd page, picture at bottom
03:29 <TheDude> they removed the logo from the steering wheel :D:D
03:48 <TheDude> they could have taken a picture in a bloody mitsubishi car, but instead they did that
04:40 <rust_collector> well. it is a different company. but ok
04:49 <rust_collector> good night
05:01 <TheDude> same logo
05:11 <TheDude> that's all that matters
05:41 <TheDude> nobody cares if it's mitsubishi electric or motors
05:53 <TheDude> the triforce logo is the only thing that matters
06:03 <rust_collector> electric, isn't it mhi?
06:13 <TheDude> huh?
06:28 <rust_collector> mitsubishi heavy industries
06:52 <TheDude> I'm going to go out on a limb and say no
06:55 <rust_collector> maybe the home style units are electric, I dunno
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20:29 <arch> goddamn fucker canceled my Tek 314 order. said it was out of stock
20:31 <arch> bullshit
24:53 <arch> need to set up my smtp mail server, so i get alerted when my Huginn workers find a good ebay find
12:20 <Halcyon> https://twitter.com/TomLawrenceTech/status/1419684484379721739
12:22 <Halcyon> Heheh
15:10 <steve30> hi
15:17 <Halcyon> Morning Steve
17:50 <Kuschelpony> just thanking T3sl4 for
18:02 <Kuschelpony> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/high-voltage-adjustable-power-supply-3kv1a/msg3614671/#msg3614671
18:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - High voltage adjustable power supply 3kV/1A - Page 1
18:32 <Kuschelpony> while i already know that current mode is betetr and easier to deal, now i know more therory about it :)
20:10 <Kuschelpony> oh and also i share your attitute to desighn sensible protextion in the first place, so you can smile when an oopsie does not turn into an BANG and you can just restart instread of throwing out buckets of transistors
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40:10 <arch> we need to come up with a medal to give to T3sl4. preferably it should be toroidal in shape, and weigh about 20 pounds or so. he can wear it like Flavor Flav wears his big clocks
40:42 <arch> maybe a power toroidal inductor for an induction heater
41:30 <arch> "for outstanding service to the field of teaching smps topologies to numbskulls"
45:51 <arch> maybe we can petition dave to have T3sl4 as a guest speaker on youtube
46:09 <arch> collab series on smps design?
48:31 <Halcyon> That's actually not a bad idea arch :P
49:11 <arch> would definitely benefit his business, as well as dave's. win win
50:10 <Halcyon> He'd have to put pants on though
50:39 <arch> too bad he's a nudist, and a weirdo
14:40 <Halcyon> Hah
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28:20 <Halcyon> Oopsie
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36:50 <Nothing\> fuckin hell
37:07 <Nothing\> i had to call 911 today and i was actually put on hold by an automated system before i even spoke to a person
37:22 <Nothing\> and i don't mean just on hold for 30-60 seconds, i had to wait a good 5 minutes before anyone answered
37:30 <Nothing\> there was a car accident outside
37:37 <Halcyon> That doesn't sound ideal
37:54 <arch> are you living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
37:56 <Nothing\> i sat watching the guy wait for 2 hours for the cops to show up, eventually he just fucked off cuz he was sick of waiting
38:15 <Nothing\> arch, nope, mildly affluent area of a mid-sized city
38:15 <Halcyon> Why do police need to attend if it wasn't serious?
38:48 <Nothing\> Halcyon, cuz i guess they need to attend accidents for insurance purposes to make notes of the damage probably
38:56 <Nothing\> or make sure nobody was drunk
39:03 <Halcyon> Sounds like a waste of resources *shrug*
39:05 <Nothing\> or nothing else funny was going on
39:22 <Nothing\> ambulance is what they would send if somebody were hurt
39:48 <Nothing\> but yeah, i never knew you could actually be put on hold calling 911 before even talking to somebody
42:17 <Halcyon> Depends how it's set up. I don't know who runs your emergency number there
43:03 <DogWomble_> yeah, i thought most of them worked in pairs - one would deal with the caller, the other would relay the information to thsoe that needed to attend, to avoid this very issue
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14:53 <Nothing\> DogWomble_, i dunno about the states, but here your call is answered by a dispatcher who patches you through to police, fire or ambulance depending on your needs
15:45 <DogWomble_> yeah, we've got that here - i belivee here though once oyu're through, you've got one that deals with the caller and one that does the despatch
16:23 <Nothing\> i dunno
17:01 <Nothing\> i've worked in call centers before and i can say it would be pretty easy to write down the details of the call, especially in a template, and then forward the information to the appropriate dispatcher
17:20 <Nothing\> that is, for one person to do that while talking to the person on the phone
17:57 <Nothing\> we used to have to do several things at once while on a call just working for comcast
19:29 <Nothing\> read from the script, find the appropriate line of trouble shooting if it's a novel problem, follow said troubleshooting, logging the details of the call in 2 different call logging systems, accessing account information and checking that it's all fine, running diagnostics on the customer's cable lines etc etc
19:59 <Nothing\> on top of trying to calm down what's probably a pretty pissed off customer at that point
20:35 <Nothing\> my favourite was getting to tell them that their account is in arrears and they'll have to pay us several hundred dollars to fix it
21:17 <Nothing\> and since they were on a contract, i also got to tell them they'd also have to pay several hundred dollars up to $800 or $900 to get out of the contract early
21:28 <Nothing\> so they were basically stuck
26:19 <Nothing\> with all of these zachlike games and games centering around programming, they really need to make a game based on the 6502
26:33 <Halcyon> Your 911 operators would be using a CAD system, just punch the details straight into the window
28:44 <Nothing\> exactly
29:28 <Nothing\> man, why am i playing breath of the wild again when i haven't even finished my first playthrough
29:39 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
29:40 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
29:42 <Ampera> I hate you both
29:43 <Ampera> <3
29:54 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
30:02 <Nothing\> how ya doing baby
30:06 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
30:22 <Ampera> "baby"
30:25 <Nothing\> lol
30:28 * Nothing\ shrugs
30:30 <Ampera> I was doing fine up until you said that
30:36 <Ampera> now I'm doing less fine
30:40 <Nothing\> i meant it like the hollywood types mean it
30:53 <Nothing\> like "ampera, baby. how ya doin'?"
31:01 <Nothing\> just imagine phil hartman saying that and it works
31:11 <Ampera> hollywood types, the sort who can pay off the cops when someone disappears...
31:27 <Nothing\> tell that to harvey weinstein
31:50 <Nothing\> apparently they took him to LA from his New York jail to be arraigned on more rape charges lol
31:57 <Nothing\> he's already been sentenced to 25 years
32:02 <Nothing\> that guy's dying in prison
32:10 <Ampera> neat
32:17 <Nothing\> as he well should
32:35 <Nothing\> i still think it's funny he was kicked out of the company that was named after him
32:48 <Nothing\> i wonder if they ever renamed it or looked into remaning it
32:52 <Nothing\> renaming
33:22 <Nothing\> that reminds me, apparently all across the country statues of people who supported the resedential school system are being torn down
33:37 <Nothing\> and schools and institutions named after these people are being renamed
33:57 <Ampera> Tearing down democratrically or by vigilantes?
34:03 <Nothing\> apparently sir john a macdonald even helped construct them. Who was the first Prime Minister of Canada
34:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, vigilantes
34:19 <Nothing\> but the democrats are leaving them torn down
34:45 <Ampera> That I disagree with. It's happened so many times that people tear down statues and destroy memorials for people who had nothing to do with anything
35:08 <Nothing\> they planned to make a park, i think in alberta somewhere where they'd have a trail with statues of every prime minister of canada. but after the first few statues were defaced they took them down and put them into permanent storage.
35:37 <Nothing\> you know we've only had 23 prime ministers?
35:46 <Nothing\> i always thought the number was a lot bigger
35:57 <Nothing\> and only like half of them actually served significant terms
36:03 <Ampera> Tearing down statues in general is strange, since veneration is not the only valid reason to memorialize an individual.
36:15 <Ampera> Remembering a mistakes by etching its face in stone is equally important.
36:40 <Ampera> So long as that statue is ready to teach about why that person should be remembered.
36:44 <Nothing\> true, but that's not usually why statues are erected
36:52 <Nothing\> unless as a memorial or something to that effect
37:10 <Nothing\> you know, a statue dedicated to victims of the person being remembered
37:27 <Ampera> True, but statues are there, and if they're important enough to be torn down, I'd say it could be argued they may be important enough to simply be redescribed.
37:44 <Nothing\> like, there's a guy here who wants to erect a wall at our resedential school with the names of every single person known to have attended
37:53 <Nothing\> he's crowdfunding for it
38:15 <Ampera> Ultimately I believe it should be a fair public decision as to what is erected and what can be torn down.
38:26 <Nothing\> Ampera, you could always leave the base, and maybe put a plaque up explaining what stood there once and why it's not there anymore.
38:32 <Nothing\> agreed
38:34 <Nothing\> wholeheartedly
38:40 <Ampera> That I have opinions as to what statues can mean does not mean they're shared by all. It's simply that vigilantes shouldn't be allowed to destroy them without letting people decide.
39:11 <Ampera> All possibilities are options to be considered, depending on the circumstances.
39:12 <Nothing\> even if i agree with the people who tore down the statues from a moral standpoint. Realistically I think it should have been a democratic process
39:23 <Nothing\> but a true democratic process is difficult to come by
39:30 <Nothing\> one free of corruption
39:47 <Nothing\> especially when it comes to indigenous peoples
40:20 <Ampera> Vigilantism is such a hard force to reckon with. It should, in the end, ultimately be by the force of the people that unjust institutions should be challenged, even if violent, but in most circumstances, all vigilantes do is hurt and destroy people, property, and the causes they wish to represent.
40:23 <Nothing\> actually i saw a news article today about a male karen who tried getting a native arrested saying she was trying to steal a car, which happened to belong to her.
40:50 <Nothing\> when she finally proved to him that the car was her's he changed his story and said she ran into him. Despite there being no damage.
41:34 <Halcyon> Shutup Ampera
41:37 <Halcyon> Morning :P
41:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, that whole thing with the CHOP/CHAZ/LARP whatever you wanna call it shows just how fair and effective vigilantism is
41:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, no u
41:52 <Ampera> haha LARP
41:54 <Ampera> that's about right
42:00 <Halcyon> I found a Wang in my garage
42:04 <Ampera> I don't see how fair or effective that was
42:08 <Nothing\> like, i remember seeing one video where a guy almost gets lynched by a bunch of the LARP police because his pen looks like a "cop pen"
42:13 <Ampera> Halcyon, I've known about your wang in your garage for ages
42:16 <Nothing\> his pen came from the humane society btw
42:24 <Halcyon> https://picclick.com/VINTAGE-RARE-Wang-PC-001-Professional-Computer-8086-w-122388443129.html
42:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - VINTAGE RARE WANG PC-001 Professional Computer 8086 w/ Keyboard 512KB RAM RARE - $13.99 | PicClick
42:26 <Halcyon> One of those
42:38 <Nothing\> cuz that's the sort of behavior i think of when i think of what LARP was supposed to stand for
42:51 <Nothing\> freedom for all, no prejudice for any reason etc etc
42:54 <Ampera> who even called it LARP
43:03 <Nothing\> unless you have a pen that looks like a cop pen
43:06 <Ampera> LARP is far too self aware of a name to be real
43:14 <Nothing\> i dunno, i'm not even sure what LARP means
43:29 <Nothing\> i only know what CHAZ means
43:31 <Ampera> Live Action Role Playing, effectively to mean that someone is living out a fantasy in real life, usually at the expense of others.
43:37 <Halcyon> I don't know what you lot are talking about
43:39 <Nothing\> yeah no shit
43:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, vigilantism
43:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, now imagine if the entire country had fallen to those sorts of people
44:02 <Nothing\> i think that would ignite a civil war
44:14 <Nothing\> if those sorts of people began gaining traction and actually taking over cities
44:53 <Ampera> The thing about the CHAZ is it could only exist at its size.
45:05 <Nothing\> while i was watching the LARP thing going on, I was thinking how awful it must have been for the people living and working there
45:17 <Ampera> There have been failed anarchist separatist states before (as well as communes) that came and went before CHAZ
45:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i heard reports varying from it occupying 2 blocks to 6 blocks
45:34 <Nothing\> i'm not sure exactly how big it got
45:42 <Ampera> but usually those which had enough momentum to capture an entire state or large general area had some sort of defined governance.
45:44 <Nothing\> it probably didn't have a solid border
46:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, you never know though, i mean look at what happened in myanmar
46:28 <Ampera> Myanmar is a good example of why a blanket condemnation of vigilantism as a tactic is improper.
47:05 <Nothing\> their military pulled a donald trump after an election threw them out of power, saying there was fraud. So the military initiated a coup against the new leaders, imprisoned them and now there's a massive civil war of the people vs the military
47:17 <Ampera> A fight rages down there for the very freedom and lives of the people, and among the only people who can hope to put a stop to it is the general population.
47:20 <Nothing\> Ampera, amen to that
47:26 <Nothing\> russia too
47:34 <Nothing\> actually hell, people are even protesting in cuba now
47:35 <Ampera> strange, I don't remember Trump initiating a military coup.
47:37 <Nothing\> did you see that?
47:43 <Ampera> Yes, yes I did.
47:52 <Nothing\> Ampera, no but he tried to iniate a coup of some sort
48:00 <Ampera> Belarus, Serbia, it's not an uncommon thing.
48:01 <Nothing\> which apparently they're still investigating
48:11 <Nothing\> oh yeah
48:21 <Nothing\> what's his face in belarus pissed off a LOT of people
48:28 <Nothing\> ah shit why can't i remember his name
48:31 <Nothing\> lukashenko
48:40 <Ampera> The military from the start was nothing but unsupportive of Trump and his actions. If you mean to say he wished to start a general insurrection, I have no idea.
48:50 <Ampera> I don't know his intentions, he's so scatterbrained I'm not sure he knows his intentions.
49:05 <Nothing\> basically changed the laws so there were no term limits and he could rule indefinitely. Then said point blank he intended to rule until his death.
49:26 <Halcyon> I should probably close some tabs. There are 150-200 open
49:30 <Ampera> Change is common, but places rarely change for the better.
49:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, one thing i've noticed is that history repeats itself a disturbing number of times
49:49 <Ampera> That we live in the relative utopia we do now is impressive.
49:53 <Nothing\> possibly indefinitely
50:16 <Ampera> Throughout history there is always a winner and a loser, at least for a time.
50:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think it's funny that so many people thought bush was so bad
50:35 <Ampera> For some, history is a reminder of what not to do in a society, for others it's an instruction manual with the errors clearly laid out.
50:46 <Ampera> Bush is before my time, I cannot comment on him.
50:57 <Nothing\> not to trivialize you because of your age, but you probably don't remember very well how much flak bush jr got over how he handled 9/11 with operation freedom or whatever the hell it was call
51:01 <Nothing\> iraqi freedom
51:12 <Nothing\> and all of the laws that let homeland security do whatever they wanted
51:34 <Nothing\> the beginning of the end of personal liberties. At least in an overt manner.
51:57 <Nothing\> cuz let's face it, no american's ever had any rights
52:03 <Ampera> The only thing I've noticed is whenever a new president is elected, people begin to decry the end of personal liberties or a certain set of values.
52:14 <Ampera> It happened with Obama, it happened with Trump, and it's still ongoing with Biden.
52:34 <Nothing\> as george carlin said, when you can pick and choose who rights apply to and when, they cease to become rights and become privileges.
53:00 <Nothing\> speaking of which
53:06 <Ampera> The word "right" has a funny connotation, as ultimately the enforcement of those rights to every day people is done by other people
53:22 <Nothing\> that innuit lady was officially named the governor generalnow
53:36 <Nothing\> so i guess they must not have cared THAT much about her lack of being bilingual
53:48 <Nothing\> and i figure, so long as she learns now. What's the big deal?
54:08 <Nothing\> so she can't talk to a good chunk of our population
54:21 <Ampera> In my mind, a right is a promise the government makes, one that is hard for any democratic entity to delete, which acts as a reminder for the general public to watch when their government is lying to them.
55:09 <Ampera> That's an amusing problem Canada, like many nations, seem to have. You have minority groups that are far more well defined than anything the US has.
55:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, legally rights are defined as being bestowed upon the american people by God himself
55:23 <Nothing\> ie god given rights
55:33 <Nothing\> just like manifest destiny
55:56 <Ampera> I'd say that's a misinterpretation, and that the notion of a god given right simply means a right everyone should have.
56:08 <Ampera> Only a fool would believe god cares to enforce those rights.
56:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i mean on top of the quebecois, we also have the first nations tribes and the Inuktitut
56:42 <Nothing\> and inuit, if they're different
56:49 <Ampera> Here we have minority groups, but I believe a unique benefit of how the US simply is, is how decentralized and spread out our minority groups are.
56:54 <Ampera> and simply how many there are
57:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, exactly, natura doesn't give a shit about human conceived rights and entitlements
57:14 <Nothing\> *nature
57:24 <Ampera> The only strong minorities I can think of are Spanish speaking citizens down in Florida, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California.
57:26 <Nothing\> that's why kids these days are so ill prepared for the real world
57:46 <Ampera> There are some classic minorities, like the French/Creole inhabitants of Louisiana/New Orleans
57:54 <Nothing\> they're raised to believe that they have these inalienable rights and freedoms that absolutely nothing can infringe upon
58:04 <Ampera> I've never seen that.
58:09 <Nothing\> and when something does, they don't know what to do, so they throw a hissy fit.
58:31 <Ampera> If anything today's youth is more and more power charged in a desire to dismantle whatever rights we may have in our society, to be replaced with their preference.
58:39 <Nothing\> like, your stereotypical white suburbanite type
58:55 <Ampera> a what
59:16 <Nothing\> blue collar slob larva
59:24 <Nothing\> yuppy larva
59:30 <Ampera> I am white, definitively blue collar, and live in a suburb
59:32 <Ampera> what does that say of me
59:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, but you're not stereotypical
59:49 <Ampera> funny that
00:07 <Ampera> Use examples, not stereotypes.
00:28 <Ampera> otherwise you fight debates on the echos of sentiment's past
00:37 <Nothing\> psych taught me that stereotypes exist because they are excellent examples in the form of generalizations
00:56 <Nothing\> how else can you define a group of people succintly?
01:17 <Nothing\> i'm not saying generalizing is always accurate, not by a long shot
01:18 <Ampera> You don't. Generalizations are subjective, and easily manipulated to warp a point.
01:34 <Nothing\> but in the absence of other methods, it's the best we've got in a pinch
01:45 <Nothing\> Ampera, not all generalizations are subjective
01:52 <Ampera> Broad generalizations and stereotypes are classic targets for people wishing to move goalposts, either for the broadening or concentration of discrimination.
01:54 <Nothing\> like asians being smart
02:02 <Ampera> That is subjective, not all Asians are smart.
02:12 <Nothing\> it's a well known fact that they ARE better inclined to academic pursuits
02:22 <Ampera> Asian is also quite a broad term in its own right, one that can be defined and redefined to make that point more or less correct.
02:29 <Ampera> No it is not.
02:35 <Nothing\> but that's probably down to how much more time and effort they put into these pursuits
02:39 <Nothing\> generally speaking
03:02 <Ampera> Cultural differences play a key role, but the problem is there is no such thing as "an Asian"
03:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, i meant southeast asian
03:16 <Ampera> Does that include India?
03:20 <Nothing\> but that is a good argument
03:30 <Nothing\> it's like calling somebody african
03:49 <Nothing\> despite the fact that africa used to be hundreds of different tribes and cultures before colonialization
04:07 <Ampera> India is the second most populous nation in the world, and not to give any disrespect to their disposition or their population, but they have chronic issues providing basic needs to a vast and inaccessible population.
04:32 <Nothing\> yeah, narendra mohdi sure isn't helping that
04:37 <Ampera> It is in the geographic southeast of Asia (again, relative to what could generally be considered Asia) and is an excellent example of why that generalization is /not/ a fact.
04:51 <Nothing\> fucking over muslims whenever he can, excluding them from public aid
05:04 <Nothing\> squandering funds to improve slums
05:54 <Nothing\> not bothering to enforce legislation to limit pollution
06:07 <Ampera> I think you're moving off topic (if there is a topic)
06:07 <Nothing\> which is a shame because india has such beautiful nature
06:08 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
06:21 <Ampera> if you mean to discuss Indian politics, I have little understanding or experience.
06:22 <Nothing\> i thought we were just shooting the shit
06:31 <Nothing\> it's okay, so do i
06:49 <Nothing\> i only know what i hear from travel videos that bother to talk to the locals
07:04 <Nothing\> and from reading comments on videos from indian people
07:06 <Ampera> Every video is curated, see all, trust nothing.
07:17 <Nothing\> i do trust Nothing\
07:21 <Ampera> I do not.
07:32 <Nothing\> actually truth be told, i don't trust myself a whole lot
08:51 <Ampera> As a shift of conversation, transitioning has been particularly heavy on my mind recently. My next planned parenthood appointment is in August, and I'm going to have to make a decision by the end of this month if I wish to go through with it or not.
09:05 <Ampera> I have been off my HRT drugs for probably close to a week now, and I really do not know if I want to get back on them.
09:29 <Ampera> Ultimately I think I do want to transition, but I do not know if I'd be capable of seeing it through and dealing with the social anxiety and pain that would be involved in dealing with it.
10:14 <Ampera> It's so hard when the status quo is so easy to exist in, but the future is so hard to deal with and plan for.
11:36 <Nothing\> ugh
11:41 <Nothing\> bowels gurgling
11:46 <Nothing\> muscles clenching
12:04 * Ampera flushes Nothing\ 
12:06 <Nothing\> pain crippling
12:21 <Halcyon> Medication or did you each something incompatible?
12:22 <Nothing\> lol i think an enema would ruin me right now
12:36 <Halcyon> *wat
12:39 <Halcyon> *eat
12:40 <Halcyon> FUCK
12:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20210726_151340.jpg
12:43 <Nothing\> Halcyon, medication. took some laxatives when i woke up which are apparently starting to work now
12:43 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
12:54 <Nothing\> and hoo boy are they ever
12:59 <Nothing\> so much cramp
13:03 <Halcyon> Looks good Ampera
13:32 <Nothing\> and material my body wants to pass which i can't tell whether it's solid, liquid or gas
13:35 <Ampera> it was good.
13:50 * Ampera checks D on the Nothing\ bowel report card for "all of the above"
13:55 <Halcyon> Nothing\, maybe you should just hang out in the bathroom for a while :P
14:01 <Nothing\> lol
14:14 <Ampera> or simply stick your ass out the window, and let a rip.
14:14 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i will when i'm ready i think i'm not quite ready yet
14:17 <Nothing\> or maybe i am
14:18 <Nothing\> brb
14:25 <Nothing\> nope
14:28 <Nothing\> just gas
14:36 <Nothing\> or is it
14:37 <Halcyon> Lucky
14:40 <Halcyon> ROFL
14:49 <Ampera> I think the AQI of the Toronto area just went up...
14:55 <Nothing\> lol
15:13 <Nothing\> yeah it's not the forest fires giving us all this haze. it's my bowels
15:33 <Nothing\> okay gonna go try
15:34 <Nothing\> wish me luck
15:42 <Ampera> Today is a good day to die.
15:57 <Ampera> anyways, Halcyon, what are you doing
20:21 <Halcyon> Working, sort of
20:35 <Ampera> what's broken about you
20:43 <Ampera> are you playing with your wang?
20:57 <Halcyon> Nah it's a bit dirty, needs a good clean before I bring it inside
21:14 <Ampera> well how long are you gonna let it hang out there
21:16 <Halcyon> I don't have a keyboard or monitor for it anyway, it has all kinds of strange connectors
21:17 <Ampera> anything could happen to it
21:24 <Ampera> I might come round and start playing with it
21:30 <Halcyon> I wish you would
21:42 <Ampera> I wish I was still young enough for it to be illegal :/
21:54 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:13 <Halcyon> That's random
23:07 <Halcyon> I don't know what I'm going to do with it
23:22 <Ampera> I need to start working on that old fucked up Toshiba thing
23:24 <Halcyon> There is also a VT220 in therer
23:32 <Halcyon> Has pretty terrible burn-in though
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39:44 <Nothing\> ah that's better
39:54 <Nothing\> caught me a good 2 foot long anusnake
40:27 <Ampera> Nothing\, why are you like this
40:44 <Nothing\> because it's one of the few things that brings me joy
41:15 <Ampera> so long as you're happy <3
41:27 <Nothing\> indeed i am :D <3
41:44 <Nothing\> and yet ironically, i'm depressed
41:46 <Nothing\> lol
41:51 <Nothing\> i'm sure you know what i mean
43:11 * Ampera smiles and waves
44:06 <Nothing\> man, i was so excited about getting this game on steam i came across
44:16 <Nothing\> but it's not even gonna be released until august
44:29 <Nothing\> road 96
45:18 <Nothing\> it's a procedurally generated story based game where you're i guess traveling down a highway in some fictional, hostile country trying to make a run for the border
45:51 <Nothing\> and as you go down the highway you meet all sorts of characters and i dunno, do quests for them?
47:11 <Nothing\> weird
47:27 <Nothing\> a neural net based graphics editing tool
47:32 <Halcyon> Feel better Nothing\ ?
47:38 <Nothing\> oh i do, thank you
48:00 <Halcyon> Very good
48:22 <Nothing\> i can tell by certain err... properties of it. I've cleaned myself out going back to either saturday or sunday. So I'm just about empty. Which is a rarity for me.
48:35 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
48:58 <Halcyon> Did you have corn on Saturday? :P
49:04 <Nothing\> i've been eating ton of cannabis edibles, so as a result my poop smells like weed lol
49:17 <Halcyon> Right
49:44 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to find an ideal marker for my stool so i can measure the transit time from eating to excretion
49:58 <Nothing\> i figure dyes and stuff could diffuse through everything
50:05 <Halcyon> Beetroot and corn kernels :P
50:21 <Nothing\> yeah, corn was what i was thinking would work best
50:31 <Nothing\> beets are just scary
50:32 <Nothing\> lol
51:01 <Halcyon> Beetroot make you look like you're bleeding
51:04 <Halcyon> It's scary
52:05 <Ampera> we are all bleeding, simply some slower than others
52:12 <Ampera> we will all eventually bleed out
53:55 <Nothing\> i saw a clip the other day of a strongman benching, looked to be around 800lbs. After he finished he sits up, and he has blood pouring out of his eyes
54:27 <Halcyon> Idiots
54:32 <Nothing\> apparently he exerted himself so hard that he burst the blood vessels in his eyes severely enough to actually make them bleed externally. Which I've never done myself.
54:39 <Nothing\> Halcyon, actually it's a pretty harmless injury
54:51 <Nothing\> i've suffered it myself several times from pooping
54:53 <Ampera> real men cry blood
55:06 <Halcyon> I'd had bloodshot eyes from throwing up too hard once
55:16 <Nothing\> but instead of just outright bleeding, the bleeding was contain within my eye so the whites of my eyes turned blood red
55:30 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah it's the same thing
55:44 <Nothing\> i'm surprised i've never done that. I'm a violent vomiter.
55:47 <Nothing\> and loud
56:14 <Ampera> I've never thrown up very hard.
56:23 <Ampera> I'm usually quite proficient at regurgitation.
56:51 <Halcyon> You'll make a guy very happy one day Ampera :P
57:02 <Ampera> why must it be a guy
57:18 <Halcyon> Because women generally don't have penises
57:26 <Ampera> so?
57:31 <Halcyon> Nevermind
57:45 <Ampera> homophobic if I've ever seen it :P
57:56 <Halcyon> Yes you are, quit it
57:57 <Halcyon> :P
58:07 <Ampera> homophobic?
58:13 <Nothing\> Halcyon, this is true
58:15 <Ampera> I might be homophonic, but I can understand the confusion.
58:16 <Nothing\> men have a penis
58:20 <Nothing\> women have a penisn't
58:24 <Halcyon> Hahaha
58:34 <Ampera> /chanop kick #eevblog Nothing\
58:40 <Nothing\> finally, somebody likes that joke!
58:42 <Nothing\> lol
58:58 <Ampera> Evidence for the need of a death penalty for jokes
59:07 <Nothing\> you know the word hysteria is derived from the greek word for uterus
59:37 <Nothing\> hence the term hysterectomy. Ectomy meaning removal of and hyster referring to the uterus.
59:55 <Nothing\> heavy uterus presence in blood
00:37 <Ampera> People who sell pickups in Australia are real pussies, especially the one who call their dealerships "Ute R Us"
01:03 <Nothing\> that was random
01:08 * Ampera takes the door, nobody was using it anyways.
01:21 <Nothing\> see, and you tell me I have ADD
01:32 <Ampera> since when did I say you had ADD
01:45 <Nothing\> you didn't disagree with me when i said i had it
01:46 <Ampera> if anything you're a massive SUB, but I'll let you MUL over that DIVisive decision.
01:52 <Nothing\> which is as good as saying i have it
01:53 <Nothing\> lol
01:54 <Ampera> hahaha
02:06 <Nothing\> har har
02:10 <Nothing\> nerd humor
02:14 <DHess_US> Ah fuck, I got out my tiniest violin, dropped it, and stepped on it. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/07/26/barbara-boxer-attacked-robbed-in-california-n2593141
02:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Former Sen. Barbara Boxer Assaulted, Robbed in Oakland by Leah Barkoukis
02:24 <Nothing\> better enable the Dec flag first
03:02 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure how division at a low level works
03:18 <Ampera> repeated subtraction
03:22 <Nothing\> if it just throws away the remainder or if it keeps it in some register somewhere just in case
03:31 <Nothing\> well yeah i figured that much
03:43 <Halcyon> Fuck UPS are slow at releasing shit
03:45 <Ampera> presumably it depends on the architecture
04:01 <Nothing\> yeah i would imagine so
04:02 <Ampera> UPS is one of the most irritating couriers, them and Amazon
04:05 <DHess_US> I wrote a floating point library once based on logarithms which are easy to calculate in base2.
04:23 <Halcyon> Yes, so I'm finding out Ampera
04:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, did i tell you i finally found a decent "6502" emulator
04:47 <Ampera> USPS is better and worse depending on where you live, but where I live they're by far the best courier.
04:50 <Nothing\> really it's a 6510, but the only difference is extra user ports
04:53 <Ampera> No, you never tell me anything, Nothing\
05:03 <Ampera> You are the quietest person I know
05:15 <Nothing\> i found out the C128 comes with a built in monitor
05:35 <Ampera> The C128 is a neat computer, I have one right next to me
06:05 <Nothing\> so i just have to run the emu through vice and run the monitor and i can write machine language to my heart's content... until I run out of memory
06:11 <Nothing\> nice
06:14 <Ampera> It's effectively two computers in one, three depending on how you define it
06:24 <Nothing\> i only every had c64s and none of them works right
06:34 <Nothing\> yeah doesn't it have a z80 in it
06:41 <Ampera> it does.
06:44 <Nothing\> or is that something else
06:48 <Nothing\> ah, nice
07:05 <Ampera> as well as a rather pathetic 80 column video chip that produces a digital RGB signal (CGA compatible)
07:16 <Ampera> it's rather pathetic as it provides absolutely no interrupts, not even for memory transfers
07:30 <Ampera> (as I recall)
08:20 <Halcyon> I want to get my C64 working again. I mean it works now, I just don't trust the power supply.
08:29 <Halcyon> They have a tendancy to blow shit up
09:01 <Nothing\> it should probably be fine if you check all of the caps
09:07 <Nothing\> and replace any suspicious ones
09:25 <Nothing\> lotsa guides on checking caps in vintage electronics. Though most of them are meant for stereos
11:36 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I believe most (all) of the C64 power supplies are potted
11:45 <Halcyon> Which is part of the problem
12:13 <Nothing\> ah, damn
12:21 <Halcyon> https://wej.k.vu/broken_stuff/c64_power_supply_repair/
12:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Johannes' Blog - Commodore 64 Power Supply Repair
12:25 <Halcyon> Yep, assholes
12:39 <Nothing\> maybe you could make your own from schematics
13:18 <Halcyon> Yeh I might have to
25:24 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/C64-PSU-Commodore-64-Power-Supply-GRAY-LED-Power-Switch-US-plug-/114445736536
25:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - C64 PSU - Commodore 64 Power Supply - GRAY, LED, Power Switch (US plug) | eBay
25:33 <Halcyon> Hmmm, dare I trust a home made build from Poland?
25:35 <Halcyon> Looks very well done
27:33 <Halcyon> I mean I don't really know what I'm looking at for the inside photos
34:46 <Halcyon> Decent Meanwell PSU by the looks of it
51:45 * Halcyon tweaks T3sl4 with his tounge at the right angle
52:52 <Nothing\> wow
53:03 <Nothing\> it's only $4 a month for an extra 200gb of storage on google drives
53:12 <Nothing\> $15 for 2tb
53:19 <Halcyon> Not too bad
53:30 <Nothing\> or $140 for the year
53:52 <Nothing\> yeah, especially when you have high enough bandwidth that it's actually practical to use
54:14 <Nothing\> i timed it yesterday, and found i could DL 1.5gb in about 3 minutes
54:27 <Halcyon> So what's that?
54:50 <Nothing\> i remember when it took me a week to download redhat 7 on 3 CD-ROM ISOs about 700mb each
55:14 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i'm not sure with that particular download but i know my speeds cap out at 50MB/s
55:17 <Nothing\> not mpbs
55:32 <Halcyon> Right
55:34 <Nothing\> i really should do a bandwidth test
55:55 <Halcyon> So you're on roughly a 400 Mbit connection?
55:59 <Halcyon> What's the upload like?
56:21 <Nothing\> says about 570mbps for my download
56:33 <Nothing\> 16.5mbps for my upload
56:37 <Halcyon> Ouch
56:47 <Halcyon> They really rape you on the upload
56:47 <Nothing\> eh it works fine for my needs
57:04 <Nothing\> yeah, the only offer packages with high upstream to commercial accounts
57:25 <Nothing\> they figure residential accounts don't need synchronous upload speed
57:28 <Halcyon> I'm pulling about 92/38 at the moment
57:41 <Nothing\> not bad, you're in australia right?
57:47 <Halcyon> Yes
57:56 <Nothing\> yeah i heard your internet isn't the greatest
58:12 <Nothing\> what is it? cantel?
58:15 <Nothing\> i forget
58:21 <Halcyon> It's a lucky dip. It's fantastic if you have fibre (I don't). Otherwise its very variable.
58:26 <Halcyon> Hm?
58:31 <Nothing\> the isp
58:42 <Halcyon> I'm on Aussie Broadband
58:55 <Nothing\> i just got fiber installed right to my apartment
59:08 <Nothing\> but i use cable service cuz the speeds are just as high, but it's cheaper
59:35 <Halcyon> They are *slowly* rolling out fibre to replace copper VDSL2+ lines because surprise surprise, the old ageing copper sucks
59:36 <Nothing\> but regardless, the phone company felt it necessary to come onto my property and install fibe
59:40 <Halcyon> Who would have thought?
59:47 <Nothing\> yeha really
59:57 <Halcyon> We were only saying this 12 years ago
00:28 <Nothing\> working comcast, a majority of the problems we had that were actually our fault and not the customers usually stemmed from weather related issues
00:50 <Nothing\> like any time a place got heavy rains, cable would go out all over the place from the aging lines being exposed to the elements
01:07 <Nothing\> and we'd have to send a truck out there to replace the lines going from the road to the house
01:12 <Halcyon> I guess we have the benefit here of being able to choose from hundreds of providers, regardless of where you live.
01:28 <Halcyon> You aren't stuck with one company just because they happen to own the infrastructure.
01:39 <Nothing\> yeah, but really it's only 2 providers
01:56 <Nothing\> 1 for the phones, and 1 for the cable, everybody else just leases the equipment off of them
02:32 <Halcyon> Here, the infrastructure is government owned. Each retail provider offer whatever level of service/pricing they want. So if you want bargain basement shit, you can get it, but expect shit performance/service.
03:16 <Halcyon> Same with cellular providers, while each of the major 3 providers own their own towers, there are agreements in place so that other carrier can lease their infrastructure.
03:27 <Halcyon> Coverage is more or less the same with the 3 carriers here.
03:39 <Halcyon> Then you have MVNO's which just re-sell carrier wholesale products
03:44 <Nothing\> huh this bandwidth testing website has a map of all of the 5G towers in the world
03:56 <Halcyon> speedtest.net?
03:57 <Nothing\> pathetic, there's all of 1 tower in my whole city
04:01 <Nothing\> yeah, ookla
04:04 <Halcyon> *nod*
04:13 <Nothing\> i'm surprised they're still around. They've been around forever
04:27 <Nothing\> seemingly since everybody started migrating from dial-up
04:29 <Halcyon> 5G is more or less becoming the universal standard here.
04:40 <Halcyon> It's not quite there yet. Lots more towers to build/upgrade, but it's getting there.
04:55 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i'd imagine cell networks are a lot more important in australia
05:08 <Nothing\> especially in rural areas where a cell connection could mean life or death
05:12 <Halcyon> I guess
05:29 <Halcyon> But also people have come to expect fast speeds from cellular networks, so they have to deliver.
05:36 <Nothing\> yeah
05:43 <Nothing\> what do you think of this starlink project?
05:48 <Nothing\> and its competitors
06:03 <Halcyon> Well I was about to say, even if you have no fixed wire and no cellular, you have the option of NBN Satellite or Starlink
06:10 <Halcyon> Which Starlink is pretty awesome.
06:29 <Nothing\> i think it's a good idea on paper, but i think it's a good way to cause something like kessler syndrome to happen, which makes me wary of them
07:01 <Halcyon> Eh, just sit back and enjoy it
07:04 <Halcyon> Nothing you can do about it
07:11 <Nothing\> it only takes one collision to take out the whole constellation
07:33 <Nothing\> and then that level of orbit is bound to be unususable until they clean it up
07:49 <Nothing\> i think the starlink satellites are up higher than low earth orbit aren't they
08:05 <Nothing\> so they're not just going to naturally fall back to earth
08:06 <Halcyon> I'm not sure
08:13 <Halcyon> I thought they were in a fairly low orbit
08:14 <Nothing\> yeah i'm curious now
08:20 <Halcyon> To improve latency
08:34 <Halcyon> 550 kilometers
08:53 <Halcyon> They are designed to naturally decay
09:01 <Nothing\> ah it is low earth orbit
09:03 <Nothing\> yeah
09:06 <Nothing\> that's good at least
09:16 <Nothing\> but who's to say competitors will do the same
09:22 <Halcyon> *shrug*
09:33 <Nothing\> apparently some companies from other countries are building their own constellations
10:28 <Nothing\> 1740 satellites in starlink
10:29 <Nothing\> jeez
10:41 <Nothing\> i knew it was a lot, but i thought maybe just a few hundred tops
11:43 <Nothing\> now, if each of those satellites contained a 100 watt laser and they could all be focused on a single point on the earth's surface and you've got a nice super weapon
12:06 <Halcyon> Which single point would that be Nothing\ ? ;-)
12:19 <Nothing\> but good luck making satellites that have to generate 100 watts light enough to be able to launch 1700 of them
12:22 <Halcyon> Kim Jong Un's place?
12:23 <Nothing\> Halcyon, france?
12:31 <Nothing\> yeah or that lol
12:34 <Halcyon> In fact, what ever happened to fatso? He has been laying low for a while
12:47 <Nothing\> actually yeah
12:59 <Nothing\> last i heard he was having some health problems and i think he even underwent surgery
13:03 <Halcyon> I wonder if he finally had that heart attack he has been working on
13:24 <Nothing\> but that was months and months ago
13:35 <Nothing\> though i'm sure the state would keep any health problems secret
13:43 <Halcyon> Oh yes, they denied all of it
13:45 <Nothing\> i mean, they don't even want people to know he poops
13:51 <Halcyon> Apparently he is the pinnacle of health
13:53 <Nothing\> much less that he can get sick
13:54 <Halcyon> True
13:58 <Nothing\> yeah exactly lol
14:15 <Halcyon> https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/north-koreans-worry-over-emaciated-kim-jong-un-state-media-says-20210628-p584si.html
14:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - North Korean’s worried about Kim Jong-un, state media says
14:42 <Nothing\> lol that's what they said killed kim jong il
14:53 <Nothing\> he worked himself to death for his people
14:57 <Halcyon> What? Smoking and being a fat shit?
14:59 <Nothing\> squandering their food
15:00 <Halcyon> Oh
15:03 <Nothing\> yeah lol
17:22 <T3sl4> it's hard work being a narcissitic ghoul!
17:56 <Halcyon> I wonder if his mate in China has told him to shut his mouth
23:39 <Jay_> hey you guys hear about the china social credit stuff
23:58 <Halcyon> Yeh I've done some research into it over the years.
24:12 <Halcyon> It's quite frightening, but that's the world they live in
25:07 <Jay_> well yeah by the personal account of an actual chinese person
25:28 <Jay_> I bet you'd never see a nonchinese person signing fealty
25:36 <Jay_> that'd just be dumb
25:56 <Jay_> or... smart?
26:09 <Halcyon> There are a couple of guys who lived in China for years, and American and a South African. They both do some excellent, no bullshit videos on all things China
26:22 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkWokLqPOg
26:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: How Does China's Social Credit System Work?
26:23 <Jay_> I watch StrangeParts
26:28 <Jay_> lol
26:28 <Halcyon> That's one of them, it's fascinating
27:06 <Jay_> I mean, the capitalist system here does the same thing with credit score
27:15 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza
27:23 <Halcyon> That's the other guy's channel, both of them travelled together
28:48 <Jay_> oh cool he does travel expose
28:48 <coppice> Halcyon: There's a lot of BS in their videos
29:22 <Jay_> noted, Halcyon is secretly a dog
29:26 <Halcyon> :P
29:30 <Halcyon> coppice, such as?
29:56 <Halcyon> Look I'm sure a lot of is assumptions but the stuff about the credit score is directly from the CCPs own literature
30:05 <Halcyon> I just can't read Chinese otherwise I'd read it myself
30:20 <Jay_> XD
30:28 <Jay_> crack the cipher
30:32 <coppice> Halcyon: they have a big tendency to see something happen a few times in their local area, and extrapolate it to be a major national characteristic
30:45 <Jay_> oh like the history channel
30:54 <Halcyon> Sure, perhaps. An example of that is the gutter oil thing.
31:12 <Jay_> Aww git ur oil outta the gutta mate
31:17 <Halcyon> But the CCP is quite open about the social scoring system and how it works. You just don't get a choice to opt-out
31:40 <Jay_> is it possible to not have a credit score?
31:57 <Halcyon> I guess technically it is?
32:18 <Halcyon> If you've ever applied for credit or a phone service, you'll have a score
32:33 <coppice> Halcyon: the reality of it will be far more complex than anything in print. It always is in China
32:40 <Halcyon> Oh 100%
32:44 <Jay_> then you can avoid it by living off the grid
32:58 <Halcyon> Their video explains it in a simple way, it would only be scratching the surface
33:19 <Halcyon> Jay_, I have no interest in living in the wilderness
33:23 <Jay_> im talking Alexander Supertramp die in a bus-off the grid
33:59 <Jay_> lolll
34:05 <Halcyon> Speaking of grids, I want summer back so I can have more free electricity
34:12 <Halcyon> Only generating 2.2kW at the moment
34:36 <Jay_> wait, you aren't using one of them fancy pantsy energy harvesters are ya
34:45 <Halcyon> Yeh, it's called solar panels :P
34:47 <Jay_> I hear you can get microwatts
35:20 <Halcyon> The sun is dipping down below the tree line though, so they are more or less in the shade right now
38:37 <Jay_> Do you watch makersmuse
38:52 <Halcyon> Yeh from time to time
39:03 <Halcyon> Angus lives in Sydney as well
39:23 <Jay_> he's been a wobbly wheel channel
39:35 <Halcyon> Wobbly wheel?
39:58 <Jay_> yeah, he made a video about wobbly wheels, and then asked for submissions
40:08 <Halcyon> Oh right
40:25 <Jay_> one wobbly wheel is cool
40:30 <Jay_> but come one
40:37 <Jay_> come all
40:42 <Jay_> wobbly wheels
40:44 <Jay_> for all
40:51 <Halcyon> Are you high again? :P
40:56 <Jay_> fuck yeha
41:00 <Halcyon> Thought so
41:12 <Jay_> whats the difference from being drunk on wine hmmmmmmmm
41:28 <Jay_> what strain of wine is in your hand
41:37 <Halcyon> Sauvignon Blanc
41:45 <Halcyon> The thing is I don't drink enough to get off my face
42:08 <Jay_> lol yes moderation
42:18 <Halcyon> Well seeing as you like weed, you might like DancingBacons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC3iDyYvy2w
42:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 15 Snacks & Drinks at a Japanese Supermarket
42:23 <Halcyon> He does snack videos
42:25 <Halcyon> Hehehe
42:33 <Jay_> not my type of video
42:40 <Halcyon> Suit yourself :P
42:40 <Jay_> top X
42:53 <Jay_> yeah, I mean, I watch CinemaSins
43:09 <Jay_> that's my number video quota
46:16 <coppice> Halcyon: I'm just watching the social credit score video. There are some huge positives. You can lose a lot of credit through the use of social media
47:22 <Halcyon> Absolutely
47:25 <Jay_> that is actually a good thing
47:42 <Halcyon> Which is not surprising considering how controlled the media and people's communications are over there
47:49 <Jay_> F2F networking is king
48:04 <Jay_> followed by TCP/IP
48:25 <Halcyon> Nah fuck your fandangle shit. IPX/SPX and the WinChat client
48:26 <Halcyon> :P
49:03 <Jay_> damnit I had to google that
49:18 <Halcyon> Young whipper snapper :P
49:33 <Jay_> I know who Novell and netware are tho!
49:42 <Halcyon> There's a start
50:04 <Halcyon> Back when I built my first network at home, it was IPX/SPX and NetBEUI as default
50:14 <Halcyon> TCP/IP wasn't even an option without add-on software
50:27 <Jay_> hey why did the router have to visit the doctor
50:35 <Jay_> he said "It hurts when IP"
50:40 <Halcyon> Also dealing with thin coax was a bitch! Those friggin 50 ohm terminators always gave me problems
51:39 <Jay_> do you like fiber better?
51:47 <Halcyon> Dependa
51:49 <Halcyon> Depends
52:00 <Halcyon> Fibre for WAN, absolutely
52:07 <Halcyon> Not so good in a LAN
52:22 <Jay_> why, cost?
52:51 <Halcyon> Well it has limitations over copper. For example, I love power over Ethernet
53:04 <Jay_> oh, fair
53:16 <Halcyon> Plus Cat 6 will easily handle 10 Gigabit
53:29 <Jay_> Have you heard of the Edger Allen brand>
53:38 <Jay_> they make excellent PoE
53:47 <Halcyon> Terrible
54:26 <Jay_> we have fiber at work
54:50 <Halcyon> I run fibre internally between my VDSL2 modem and the router
54:51 <Jay_> great for, heh, moving shit around
55:15 <Halcyon> More so as an airgap for lightning. I've had storms kill enough equipment over the years
55:29 <coppice> I wonder if these super flexy fibres you can now buy will make fibre LANs more common?
55:40 <Jay_> optoisolated network... yeahhh
55:54 <Halcyon> Maybe when speeds get up there coppice
56:00 <coppice> if LANs move beyond 10G I expect fiber will be the only way
56:06 <Jay_> well if anything you can make a cool lamp
57:23 <Halcyon> I think copper in LANs isn't going to be replaced anytime soon
57:59 <Halcyon> Considering the same crappy copper pair that handled dial-up are now supporting over 100 Mbps downstream.
58:06 <Halcyon> Technology just keeps getting better
00:44 <coppice> I wonder if domestic LANs will move beyond 10G? Right now its hard to see why they should. Even 1G fixes most of the limitations we used to have, and people aren't really making much use of it
01:27 <Jay_> Windows 365
01:29 <Jay_> thats what
02:18 <Jay_> in short, WaaS
02:52 <coppice> WaaN - Windows as a Nuisance
03:04 <Jay_> yes
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03:46 <Jay_> KDE? noice
04:34 <Halcyon> That was abrupt
04:55 <Jay_> awww did his xsession crash
05:15 <Halcyon> I need more Kimchi
05:20 <Jay_> always
05:26 <Jay_> always more kimchi
07:11 <T3sl4> :)
07:11 <Halcyon> Can any of you guys help me with this: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/vintage-computing/locating-teltone-telephone-line-simulator-configuration-software/
07:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Locating Teltone telephone line simulator configuration software - Page 1
07:11 <T3sl4> nothing beyond the usual google :P
07:11 <Halcyon> Pewp
07:11 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Is there anything more convoluted than Microsoft accounts?
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07:11 <T3sl4> i know some people who like old phone stuff, i'll pass on the link, but it seems very specific and obscure, i wouldn't hold my breath :P
07:11 <Halcyon> It's all good
07:11 <Halcyon> Found a HTTP link to the download instead of FTP
07:11 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - And then when you finally figure out where something actually is, you get this https://t.co/HtrENJh0m0
07:11 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I bought one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265240318506
07:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Teltone TLE-A-01 Telephone 4-Line Emulator POTS Simulator 250-00208-02 WARRANTY | eBay
07:11 <T3sl4> i gathered that :P
07:11 <Halcyon> I've been wanting one for ages, but this one is programmable. It was all dependant whether or not I could get the software or not as I'm sure it would be defaulted to the US
07:11 <Halcyon> Now I'll be able to simulate dialup networking on my old machines :D
07:11 <T3sl4> i'm sorry to hear that
07:11 <T3sl4> :P
07:11 <Halcyon> Sh :P
07:11 <Halcyon> It's nostalgic
07:11 <T3sl4> so is polio
07:11 <T3sl4> gosh, i'm so positive tonight, aren't i :P
07:11 <T3sl4> that's also sorta quoting something but i can't place what, atm
07:11 <T3sl4> futurama?
07:11 <Halcyon> Yeh you're being a little bitch
07:11 <Halcyon> You been hanging out with Ampera? :P
07:11 <T3sl4> in my defense, i drank the last of my wine yesterday
07:11 <Halcyon> Go get some more?
07:11 <T3sl4> maybe tomorrow
07:11 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, it's late there
07:11 <T3sl4> i'd have a tea or coffee or something, but, y'know
07:11 <T3sl4> maybe i can make one with little enough water that the ice cubes don't completely dissolve by the time the cup is full
07:11 <T3sl4> that would be n'iced
07:11 <Halcyon> Heh
07:11 <Halcyon> YAY Windows 2000 runs under Proxmox
07:11 <Halcyon> I was going to go NT4 but that was a bugger to install at the best of times
07:11 <Halcyon> Plus no CD booting
08:42 <T3sl4> mmm
09:02 <Halcyon> I like the spicy kind
10:47 <Halcyon> T3sl4 you big tart
10:48 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XmRZAwc_E4
10:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lemon & Blueberry Tart Recipe
11:08 <Jay_> do you always eat the kimchi raw or do you put it on something
11:15 <Halcyon> Nah I just nom on it
11:16 * T3sl4 farts a spicy one at Halcyon
11:44 <Jay_> that's good, but I can't eat too much at once idk why
11:53 <Jay_> at some point it becomes unappateizing
12:06 <Halcyon> Probably that fermented cabbage :P
12:12 <Halcyon> Gets a bit much sometimes
12:40 <Jay_> now spread vegemite on it
13:02 <Halcyon> Vegemite on toast only
13:04 <Halcyon> With butter
13:08 <Halcyon> Everything else is illegal
13:22 <Jay_> Aus PD gonna come for me
16:47 <Halcyon> Nah, can't be bothered :P
16:59 * Halcyon Biscoffs T3sl4 
17:22 <Jay_> y'mean dip in milk?
17:36 * T3sl4 spits coffee at Halcyon
17:37 <Halcyon> Nah I don't like soggy biscuits
17:43 <Jay_> CrackerMilk
17:50 <K> hello peasant-gases
17:56 <Halcyon> Oh, I tried the vanilla ones T3sl4. Highly recommended
18:05 <Halcyon> Hello Halogen
18:16 <T3sl4> hello alkali
18:34 <Jay_> my chemical romance
18:37 * K alkales some
19:41 <T3sl4> ooh, is Jay_ getting ionized tonight?
19:50 <Halcyon> He's already there
20:30 <Jay_> 5 orbitals above you
20:54 <Halcyon> I need to buy some umami seasoning
22:21 <T3sl4> ooh mama
26:40 <Halcyon> I guess I could just make some, it's mostly just porcini mushrooms dried and blended
27:09 <Halcyon> Oh T3sl4 I bought some truffle, black garlic mustard today. It's fucking delicious.
27:26 <T3sl4> whoa
29:15 <Halcyon> https://www.coolamoncheese.com.au/products/truffle-infused-black-garlic-mustard
29:16 <EEVBot> [Title] -
32:36 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @sama: Record-high number of Americans thriving; all the rest on Twitter. https://t.co/uhHupjtN8E
32:38 <Nothing\> i love you guys
32:43 <Nothing\> speaking of old music
32:46 <Halcyon> Hahaha nawwww
32:50 <Halcyon> That's nice of you to say Nothing\
32:52 <Nothing\> i was playing goat simulator today on my switch
32:57 <Halcyon> Hahahaaha
32:59 <Halcyon> I love that game
33:13 <Nothing\> and found a mutator that lets you play with a deadmau5 head on
33:22 <Halcyon> Right
33:37 <Nothing\> Halcyon, it is a great game and i love how expansive they made it with all of the new DLC
34:08 <Nothing\> you could play it for hours and not even get a fraction of the stuff in the game
34:35 <Nothing\> man i need a printer
35:30 <Nothing\> my mom's been wanting to get one for us for a while now but with the lockdown it's been difficult. And she doesn't wanna get it from an online place since we've had problems with the last couple of printers we got
37:15 <Halcyon> If you were in straya Nothing\, I'd say you could have mine
37:21 <Halcyon> I have a mono laser printer I no longer need
38:09 <Nothing\> heh i'd prefer to get a modern color printer, preferably with network capability
38:28 <Nothing\> i figure if my mom's gonna get us a printer, i might as well go all out
38:32 <Halcyon> Yeh I just bought a new colour one not long ago, hence the surplus printere
38:58 <Nothing\> nice
39:18 <Halcyon> https://www.brother.com.au/en/products/all-printers/printers/hl-l8260cdw
39:20 <Halcyon> That one
39:22 <EEVBot> [Title] -
39:40 <Halcyon> My old printer had a built-in duplexer and I found it super handy
40:09 <Nothing\> yeah i haven't owned a printer in... well not since i was a teen. So I'm guessing around 25 years
40:41 <Halcyon> I gave up on inkjets many many years ago
40:49 <Halcyon> They caused me more problems than they solved
41:55 <Nothing\> yeah i was thinking of getting a laser printer
42:16 <Nothing\> but i would imagine the cartridges would cost more
42:39 <Halcyon> Not too bad actually. You generally get much much cheaper prints on laser than you do ink
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43:03 <Nothing\> nice
43:04 <steve30> hi
43:26 * T3sl4 sips an iced coffee
43:54 <Halcyon> Just doing a quick Google for retail pricing. The "high yield" black for mine is AUD$162 which is about 4500-5000 pages
44:43 <Halcyon> High yielf colour are about AUD$260
44:48 <Halcyon> *yield
45:07 <Nothing\> ouch
45:16 <Halcyon> Typically though, depdning on your printing and settings, you can get 6000+ pages
45:17 <Nothing\> don't think my mom would be keen on that
45:24 <Nothing\> even if it's high yield
45:55 <Halcyon> Depends how much printing you do and how often
46:11 <Nothing\> yeah i've got at least a few hundred pages worth of stuff to print
46:15 <Halcyon> Yes it seems like a lot but when you consider cost per page, it's cheaper. Plus they don't dry out and gunk up the print heads
46:32 <Nothing\> at this point i'm about read to just go down to the library with $20 or so and print off the most pertinent stuff
46:42 <Halcyon> Plus you have the advantage of print speed on most laser printers
46:47 <Nothing\> seeing as it's just opened back up again
47:25 <Halcyon> Just looking at my supplier, the colour toners are $239
47:49 <Halcyon> Black is $153
48:16 <Halcyon> You can get standard yield carts too.
48:35 <Halcyon> Of course YMMV... this is just for my printer.
08:27 <Jay_> I was researching this recently
08:35 <Jay_> apparently printing is hard
08:50 <Jay_> so open source printers are a nonsterter
09:23 <K> printing is patented
09:30 <K> up to the hilt
09:36 <K> or wazoo
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17:48 <Halcyon> It's fairly standardised anyway. I don't see much of a need to re-invent the wheel
18:32 <Jay_> ive heard Brother is the goto
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19:38 <Jay__> ive heard Brother is the go
19:53 <Jay__> -to
20:10 <hsn> Halcyon, would u prefer to drive with square wheels ?
20:40 <Jay__> A-la mythbusters?
21:31 <Halcyon> I've used Brother printers for over 10 years, I love them. They just work. No need for "apps" or other garbage, plus Linux support is nice
21:49 <hsn> does all printers have tracking dots - fingerprints ?
22:02 <Halcyon> Most of the colour ones do. Mono ones don't
22:05 <hsn> because u know .. i have jihadi's project :P
22:54 <hsn> what is it .. MAC address for printers ?
23:29 <Jay__> IPInk6 :P
23:48 <hsn> Halcyon, does "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code" this thing work if someone printed pictures instead of text ?
23:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Machine Identification Code - Wikipedia
23:51 <Halcyon> No they are a proprietary code which differs between manufacturers. Most record the S/N of the printer, time and date.
24:07 <hsn> hello
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26:03 <hsn> In 2018, scientists from the TU Dresden developed and published a tool to extract and analyze the steganographic codes of a given color printer and subsequently to anonymize prints from that printer. The anonymization works by printing additional yellow dots on top of the Machine Identification Code.[1][2][3] The scientists made the software available in order to support whistleblowers in their efforts to publicize grievances.[20]
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27:27 <Halcyon> I wouldn't worry too much about those dots, they are mostly used by printer manufacturers themselves. The decoding is commercial in confidence and they don't like telling people (including law enforcement)
27:52 <Nothing\> whew
27:55 <Nothing\> fallnig asleep here
28:00 <Halcyon> Then go to bed?
28:07 <Nothing\> bed is boring
28:14 <Nothing\> awake is where the action's at
28:24 <Jay_> thats right
28:38 <Nothing\> hey jay
28:42 <Jay_> heyoo
28:48 <Nothing\> i smoked you a few times today
28:52 <Nothing\> :P
28:56 <Jay_> yes smoke me you did
29:01 <Jay_> high you shall be
29:25 <Jay_> born to smokkkeeee
29:26 <Nothing\> and fucked my lungs will be from all of the tar and particulate matter
29:28 <hsn> Halcyon, heh why spend so much time in R&D and implementing the yellow dot thingy .. if u are going to keep it for you only .. its not like u r using that info to analyse from after market sales
29:42 <Nothing\> and broke my bank account will be
29:44 <Jay_> dude get carbon filters
29:51 <Jay_> they are amazing
30:02 <Nothing\> they don't filter out the thc?
30:11 <Jay_> nominal im guessing
30:19 <Nothing\> the dispensary i use has tons of rolling stuff
30:33 <Nothing\> actually i just bought i rolling machine a few weeks ago
30:43 <Jay_> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075CRCBH7
30:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
31:29 <Jay_> they also eliminate some of the coughing and cools the hit a bit
31:48 <Jay_> I can still taste it tho
31:59 <Nothing\> i've seen them around for like 20 years but they've always been an oddity to me and I had no idea how to use them. So I never bothered with them until a few weeks ago when i decided to watch a video on how they work and how to use them and it was so dead simple i had to get myself one
33:02 <Jay_> I just use cones
33:19 <Nothing\> i could never roll cones lol
33:22 <Jay_> or I pack a glass blunt
33:30 <Nothing\> a glass blunt?
33:34 <Jay_> yup
33:36 <Nothing\> now that's a new one
33:51 <Nothing\> do you still use a bluntwrap with it?
33:53 <Jay_> https://grav.com/products/4-grav-glass-blunt-w-silicone-grommet
33:54 <EEVBot> [Title] -
34:04 <Jay_> all glass and silcone babayyy
34:25 <Jay_> buy two tho, they are fragile
35:50 <Nothing\> huh that's really interesting
36:00 <Nothing\> but how fast does it get dirty?
36:26 <Jay_> simple, just use an ultrasonic cleaner or use iso
36:30 <Nothing\> see, i don't like having to clean stuff. I think resin/tar is gross as hell and refuse to handle it ever again
37:10 <Nothing\> iso doesn't work when there's a ball of tar the size of a small grape in your pipe
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37:44 <Nothing\> also i've seen these pipe cleaning kits that sorta piqued my curiosity
37:56 <Jay> yeah loads of brushes
38:08 <Jay> the "pipe-centers" pipe cleaners dont really work so well
38:12 <Jay> more niche
38:17 <Jay> better to just use a brush
38:19 <Nothing\> i dunno what's in them, but you just cut it open, add water, stick your pipe in and let it soak over night
38:37 <Jay> oh, like formula 420?
38:52 <Jay> or ultrasonic cleaner
38:59 <Nothing\> thing is, i've tried that with iso, and all it does it mix tarry solvent all over your pipe which makes an ungodly sticky mess after it dries
39:23 <Nothing\> the thing i don't get is you use water, but the tar isn't water soluble
39:26 <Jay> oh, you can get plugs
39:50 <Nothing\> but my solution is to basically just buy a new pipe every month lol
39:57 <Jay> really?
40:06 <Nothing\> they're only $7 or $8 so it's not that much more than papers
40:11 <Jay> so you crack your month old pipe, and it's just a resin husk
40:19 <Jay> molting
40:24 <Nothing\> which i switch to now and then. But I find rolling joints tedious after a while
40:33 <Nothing\> exactly
40:49 <Nothing\> it's literally just a pipe shaped chunk of resin
40:52 <Jay> I'd invest in an ultrasonic cleaner
40:58 <Jay> <150
41:13 <Nothing\> really? I didn't think they were that cheap
41:26 <Jay> the china assembled ones are
41:32 <Nothing\> ah yeah
41:42 <Jay> though they are all metal
41:59 <Nothing\> i wonder what it is about ultrasound that makes it so much better at cleaning than lower frequencies
42:07 <Nothing\> i guess higher frequencies would have more energy
42:19 <Jay> it just causes little explosions with cavitation bubbles
42:27 <Nothing\> oh is that how it works
42:33 <Jay> so the liquid itself is the cleaner
42:37 <Nothing\> wait, wouldn't that be really destructive for the material?
42:41 <Jay> nope
42:47 <Jay> just small force
42:56 <Jay> but it does remove surface things
43:12 <Jay> it basically shoots the water/liquid at it
43:26 <Nothing\> cuz like, i've read about how cavitation bubbles produce enough force to turn a solid steel impellor underwater into swiss cheese
43:37 <Jay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mceZ3Ep20AQ
43:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Cavitation bubbles bursting with cleaning power - Science Nation
44:00 <Nothing\> that's a hell of a clever idea
44:01 <Jay> certainly dont stick your finger in it while running
44:10 <Jay> it will vibrate the tiny bones
44:33 <Nothing\> i dunno, we're exposed to ultrasound all the time
44:35 <Jay> ive seen youtubers stupidly stick their hands in lol
44:39 <Nothing\> lol really
44:51 <Jay> depends on the range to the energy but ig yeah
45:03 <Nothing\> i've heard of lab students charging caps up to like 400v then throwing them to their lab partner as a joke
45:18 <Jay> there are just two emitters on these cheap ultrasonics, but THEY WORK
45:42 <Nothing\> now i've gotta look up a guy sticking his hand in an ultrasonic cleaner
45:47 <Nothing\> ooh or better yet
46:00 <Jay> no
46:02 <Jay> not that
46:29 <Nothing\> using an ultrasonic welder to try and weld the webbing between your thumb and forefingers on each hand together
46:46 <Nothing\> or just go full steve-o and just rivet your hands together
46:53 <Nothing\> or rivet your sack to your leg
46:55 <Nothing\> lol
47:47 <Jay> what is this, the torture porn channel
48:06 <Nothing\> lol i downloaded this steve-o stand up thing where he was talking about stapling his sack to his legs and the many variations of it he came up with to keep the "stunt" interesting
48:28 <Nothing\> after that, and the subsequent footage i was like "alright that's enough of that"
48:35 <Nothing\> guess i outgrew jackass stuff
48:42 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
48:45 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
49:10 <Nothing\> well i mean, jackass stuff is fine. But I don't wanna see a guy's dick constantly. Which is what this seemed to be a lot of.
49:17 <Nothing\> reasons for him to have his dick out
50:05 <Jay> That's ok I guess, as long as hey didn't have his dick *in* as many places as Epstein
50:08 <Nothing\> the only other thing i watched on it was him riding a bike with shorts that were just painted on and then falling in front of people and so on
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50:28 <Nothing\> didn't they arrest his gf recently?
50:30 * hsn chirps at Halcyon 
50:35 <Jay> yup
50:37 <Nothing\> i wonder what happened or what's going on with that
50:52 <Nothing\> that's good. They can at least get justice through her
51:03 <Nothing\> it sounds like she was the brains of the whole thing anyways
51:08 <Jay> sit on a hot poker, bitch
52:41 <T3sl4> mornin
52:43 <Nothing\> if you watch the channel "Larry Lawton" it's a guy who used to be a big time jewel thief who wound up doing 11 years in federal prison. He's rehabilitated now, but makes videos that talk about the various things he saw and did in prison and just how truly fucked up it is.
53:29 <Nothing\> Like how when you're on con-air, you're not allowed to go to the bathroom AT ALL and they actually have a doctor on board in case anybody has any medical conditions as a result
54:27 <Nothing\> and if they don't like you, they'll transfer you on con-air over and over and over and over again just to fuck with you. The whole while your legal paper work is getting lost and they're losing your possessions and stuff like that
55:33 * Halcyon offers hsn some seed
55:39 <Nothing\> not to mention other abuses, like the guards breaking a guy's leg cuz he literally went crazy from being in the hole too long and wouldn't do what they said
55:57 <hsn> salty seed
56:01 <hsn> morn T3sl4
56:09 <hsn> T3sl4, does your email accept attachments ?
56:14 <T3sl4> aye
56:32 <Nothing\> i mean, the hole alone has been scientificall proven to be cruel and unusual. It literally causes brain damage to people and it doesn't take that long to happen.
57:00 <hsn> does outlook know that ? :D
57:23 <Nothing\> it's like those monkeys you see in labs or whatever that have been locked up their whole lives and do messed up stuff like chewing off their fingers and stuff
57:48 <Nothing\> or just repedetive behavior a la psychomotor agitation
58:04 <Nothing\> which i realized i'm doing right now lol
58:49 <Nothing\> always bouncing my legs up and down. I don't mind it, but everyone around me feels the constant tap tap tap. But on the bright side, my leg muscles are huge, despite me never exercising.
59:22 <Nothing\> But when you do 3-4 calf raises a second for 8-12 hours a day every day of your life, it adds up
59:59 <Nothing\> i should get some 1-3lb weights or something to put around my knees and get more out of it
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04:53 <Nothing\> oh wow
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05:08 <Nothing\> i found an entire book on the memory map of the commodore 128
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11:01 <Jay> ok
11:03 <Jay> lol
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22:51 <steve30> hi
22:57 <Jay_> hey
29:37 <DogWomble_> insert greeting here
34:14 <K> grating
37:06 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I'm making sticky pork ribs
37:14 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/slow-cooker-smoky-southern-style-ribs-recipe/acpt0jc6
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38:29 <Lemon> so I just watched a movie called Mother
38:37 <Lemon> a damn, that was one hell of a movie
38:42 <Lemon> thats the least to say xd
38:46 <T3sl4> nice
38:47 <Halcyon> What's it about?
46:56 <Halcyon> Lemon?
47:07 <Lemon> ha sorry !
47:17 <Lemon> hehhh well, its hard to explain without spoiling it :>
47:29 <Lemon> but its kinda powerful once you understand the whole meaning behind it
50:01 <Halcyon> I see
50:33 <Lemon> really worth it
50:39 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_(2009_film)
50:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Mother (2009 film) - Wikipedia
50:41 <Halcyon> This one?
50:45 <Lemon> and I rarely watch movies, because I struggle to find good ones
51:00 <Lemon> ha no ! lemme find it
51:27 <Lemon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother!
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51:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - mother! - Wikipedia
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51:52 <T3sl4> no relation to the video game? ;)
51:59 <Lemon> but dont read wiki !
52:03 <Lemon> it will spoil it
52:04 <Lemon> no :P
52:19 <Lemon> I did think about it haha
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21:03 <Halcyon> T3sl4,
21:07 <Halcyon> Why don't you jump in?
21:18 <T3sl4> buh
21:27 <Halcyon> We want to see sexy Timmeh
22:00 <T3sl4> nah
22:04 <Halcyon> You suck
22:15 <Halcyon> You are much better looking than the ranga
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01:29 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-spTvp5-sf0
01:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 120 Year Old Rare Nernst Lamps
01:33 <Halcyon> That's super cool
02:15 <Halcyon> For once he isn't destroying things
05:21 <T3sl4> steve30: Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/comments/osag3u/iberian_lynx/
05:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
05:46 <Halcyon> Big kitty
07:21 <steve30> meow
08:12 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW Video on EEVblog2! LIVE Testing StreamYard https://t.co/xhGUByiBDk
08:22 <K> haaha someone poped in with his dick?
08:51 <Halcyon> ?
09:56 <K> start of the stream
10:17 <K> there was a blackout for 10 mins or so, no
10:19 <K> ?
10:30 <K> maybe i misunderstood
11:32 <Halcyon> I'd say he was just setting up
11:46 <Halcyon> There was a delay between him announcing it and sharing the link
13:01 <K> no dick then.
14:11 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/YjwMvVk
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53:24 <Lemon> jeez, dhl is really good those days
53:40 <Lemon> shit comes from poland, departed yday
53:45 <Lemon> it will be here today
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01:16 <Lemon> I cant wait :>
01:20 <Lemon> its christmas
05:11 <K> whats coming?
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14:29 <Lemon> yeyy its here !
15:05 <Lemon> K a 8132, 8154, 8180 and 7890 lindstroms :>
15:16 <K> ah
15:21 <Lemon> micro cutter, medium (still quite small), big one and needlenose
15:29 <K> did you rob a bank?
15:36 <Lemon> they are super neat ! I might need to oil them tho, spring arent snappy
15:46 <Lemon> haha not even ! 32 to 35 euros a piece on TME
15:50 <Lemon> it was hard to resist
16:02 <Lemon> and paypal telling me I can pay in 4 months sealed the deal
22:14 <K> huh
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26:13 <Lemon> that was worth it, they are between 50 and 65 euros each on other websites
26:17 <Lemon> if not more sometimes
28:32 <Kuschelpony> good afternoon
29:08 <Lemon> hello :>
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00:52 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/DXidRfv.jpg
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44:54 <Ampera> DHess_US, https://nypost.com/2021/07/25/wisconsin-police-officer-throws-plastic-baggie-into-persons-car/
44:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wisconsin police officer throws plastic baggie into persons car
45:12 <Ampera> Supposedly the police are claiming that the baggie was on one of the passengers in the car who they searched
45:28 <Ampera> it apparently contained nothing illegal, and they never charged or arrested him or anyone for drugs
45:31 <Ampera> just for speeding
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58:45 <+electrohead> o/
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