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15:24 <Tezzers> It's a restaurant chain in the US. They sell party foods similar to what the restaurant sells
15:43 <Tezzers> Retail packed y'know potato skins, burgers, pizza poppers, that sort of shit
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29:27 <Lord_of_nothing_> Re
29:41 <Lord_of_nothing_> How long is european Bezin Fuel storable?
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29:49 <Lord_of_nothing_> Since the have "E10".
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30:01 <Ysjoelfir> a year roughly
30:06 <Ysjoelfir> depends on the humidity
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30:33 <Ysjoelfir> Get Super+ for storing it
32:13 <hsn> yes
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51:59 <electrohead> o/
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56:06 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
56:09 <Ampera> how are you doing electroguy?
58:59 * electrohead hugs the guy out of Ampera
59:16 <electrohead> I'm good, bla bla
59:18 <electrohead> you, bla bla?
59:59 <Ampera> alright enough
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16:15 <Nothing\> heil trumpler!
16:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, banned
16:51 <Nothing\> speaking of trump, why has nobody ever pointed out that his last name means "fart" in british slang
16:57 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
17:12 <Nothing\> how you doing buddy?
17:19 <Ampera> blech
17:39 <Nothing\> aww sorry to hear that man
17:45 <Nothing\> what's up?
17:55 <Ampera> Am trying to sell my old buick to the guy who's been doing some carpentry and roofing for us. My dad hired him to do the roofing, I just offered to sell the car to him
18:06 <Ampera> we agreed on 450 bucks, and the fucker decides to simply deduct 450 bucks from my dad's bill
18:09 <Ampera> without asking me nor him
18:21 <Nothing\> take him to civil court
18:27 <Ampera> that's a bit of an overreaction
18:33 <Nothing\> do you have any sort of agreement with him, written or verbal?
18:34 <Lord_of_nothing_> i hope i can store then longer
18:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, not over $450
18:42 <Lord_of_nothing_> i must flush when that sucks.
18:45 <Ampera> 450 dollars isn't worth the trip
18:51 <Ampera> and he hasn't taken anything
18:57 <Ampera> I still hold the title and the car
19:00 <Nothing\> Ampera, wish i was flush enough to say that
19:12 <Nothing\> yeah, don't give it up until you get that cash
19:15 <Ampera> it also doesn't start, so it's not like he can just rev it up and drive it off
19:28 <Nothing\> at best, HE'LL take it to civil court, thinking he's in the right.
19:34 <Nothing\> and you can get this taken care of
19:37 <Ampera> again, you're way overreacting
19:42 <Ampera> as you don't know what the situation is
19:48 <Nothing\> no, i do not
19:58 <Nothing\> apologize if i spoke out of line (sincerely)
20:07 <Nothing\> *apologies
20:17 <Ampera> you are one weird guy, Nothing\
20:18 <Ampera> :P
20:25 <Nothing\> but no, seriously. You must apologize to me if i spoke out of line
20:26 * electrohead drowns Nothing\ in $450 worth of pennies
20:27 <Nothing\> lol
20:35 <Ampera> wut?
20:37 <Nothing\> electrohead, pennies don't even exist here lol
20:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, i was making fun of how i misspoke
20:53 <electrohead> lol
20:55 <Ampera> ok
21:07 <Nothing\> electrohead, it pisses me off cuz i'd love to make a galvanic cell
21:21 <Nothing\> but i have no source of copper discs
21:30 * electrohead galvanizes Nothing\'s testicles
21:36 <electrohead> discs or dicks?
21:40 <Nothing\> electrohead, DUDE!
21:46 <Nothing\> you just gave me an amazing idea
21:49 <electrohead> >.<
21:58 <Nothing\> buy gold leaf, and plate my testicles in gold
21:59 <Ampera> you guys need to stop
21:59 <electrohead> regardless of your idea, I think it's going to hurt
22:11 <electrohead> Ampera: NO YOU'RE A TOWEL
22:12 <Ampera> we have kids in this chat
22:14 <Ampera> the both of you
22:23 <Ampera> you're gonna give yourselves nightmares
22:31 <electrohead> I already have nightmares, it's cool
22:34 <electrohead> :p
22:45 <Ampera> lucky
22:50 <Ampera> I love having nightmares
23:02 <Ampera> but, you know, since it's something I enjoy, I only rarely have them
24:17 <Nothing\> mmm pork and beans
24:32 <Ampera> 4th of July tomorrow's gonna be awesome
24:40 <Ampera> I'm smoking chicken thighs and 3 lbs of salmon
24:43 <Nothing\> Ampera, we almost cancelled canada day
24:53 <Nothing\> but either way, we had a pretty resigned canada day
25:00 <Ampera> good, it's a shit holiday, US independence day is way better
25:05 <electrohead> lmao
25:07 <Nothing\> on account of all of the mass graves of native children we keep finding
25:14 <Nothing\> did i tell you we found a 3rd one, Ampera
25:19 <Ampera> how many this time
25:25 <Nothing\> 100+
25:30 <Nothing\> i forget the exact numbers
25:44 <Nothing\> but there was another in saskatchewan they found last week
25:47 <Nothing\> 740+
25:54 <Ampera> Not that the US has ever been particularly nice to its native people, but at least we haven't been that seriously bad in a long while
25:59 <Nothing\> they're gonna search the school here in a couple of weeks
26:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's what upsets me most
26:13 <Nothing\> is how recent it was
26:23 <Nothing\> there was also a thing called the "sixties scoop"
26:30 <Ampera> No, I've genuinely often thought if Canada's worse to its natives than we are right now
26:43 <Nothing\> where legislation was brought in that made it perfectly legal for the government to come in and take native children into foster care for no reason
26:53 <Nothing\> they felt just living with other natives was enough cause
26:55 <arch> you know how there's multiple rails on 12V rail on atx psu these days? it is possible to parallel them together?
27:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, but apparently the US had a similar program to the residential schools
27:15 <Ampera> arch, depends on the PSU, a lot of them don't have multiple 12V rails
27:23 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was less widespread, or not as well known
27:24 <Ampera> in fact, I think Seasonic's supplies are only ever single rail
27:34 <arch> Ampera, the cheaper ones have multiple rails
27:34 <Nothing\> but we've offered you guys help locating mass graves at your places too
27:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, and of course, the catholic church won't apologize
27:58 <arch> the EVGA and those good brands come with a massive single 12V rail that supplies 50A or even more
27:59 <electrohead> idea time! take screenshots of dave himself when he is in the middle of talking, to get some interesting pictures of his face, then create a website called facesofdave.com, and post them
28:05 <Nothing\> in fact they went as far as to say what's been said about these schools and the church is unfair
28:14 <Nothing\> or the bishop of canada did anyways
28:17 <Nothing\> or some bishop
28:25 <Ampera> I'd wonder how widespread it is here
28:32 <Nothing\> yeah i'd be curious
28:35 <arch> electrohead, lol that sounds fun. go register the domain :D
28:38 <electrohead> (I'm sure he'd love it lol)
29:00 <Ampera> because reservations are a thing, and while they haven't been the best treated in our history, they have been pretty legally impenetrable
29:09 <Ampera> usually with their own schools and governments
29:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know canada hasn't honored one single treaty we've had with the natives
30:02 <Ampera> Honestly, I know very little about reservation law here, and its history. Anything I say is a general understanding that could easily be debated by literally anyone
30:12 <Nothing\> in fact, there's a river here called the grand that snakes all through southern ontario, including this city and a bunch of other major cities
30:20 <electrohead> arch: facesofdave.com was registered in 2007, guh
30:38 <Nothing\> one of our treaties was supposed to give them something like 100 miles of land on either side of the grand for its entirety
30:44 <Ampera> electrohead, see if eevgob has been regsitered
30:47 <Ampera> er, registered
30:56 <arch> try davesface.com
31:01 <Nothing\> actually, the city i live in was founded by and named after a native guy
31:03 <arch> davesfaces.com
31:11 <Ampera> davesfeces.com
31:14 <arch> or thefacesofdave.com
31:16 <Ampera> what a shitty website that'd be
31:18 <Nothing\> he worked closely with the whites as a sort of ambassador
31:21 <Nothing\> joseph brant
31:28 <electrohead> oh oh - facesofdave.org and facesofdave.net are available
31:36 <Nothing\> faces of death
31:38 <arch> let's make it an org
31:40 <Nothing\> lol i remember that
31:42 <Nothing\> and rotten.com
31:45 <Ampera> how about an orgy
31:49 <Nothing\> the first gore site to ever exist
31:58 <Nothing\> oh hey
31:58 <Ampera> of course you'd know about that, Nothing\
32:03 <electrohead> ok ok, net or org?
32:08 <Ampera> org
32:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, i saw you have portal 2 on steam
32:16 <arch> org
32:18 <Ampera> yeah it was my very first steam game
32:19 <Nothing\> do you recall ever having trouble playing it?
32:25 <Nothing\> cuz i can't get it to fucking run
32:30 <Nothing\> it keeps telling me steam isn't running
32:36 <Ampera> years ago when I played it on a single core celeron with Intel graphics, but not today, no
32:37 <Nothing\> unless it set steam to offline mode
32:39 <Ampera> that being said, I don't run Windows
32:44 <Nothing\> oh right
32:50 <arch> windows is for losers
32:53 <Ampera> ^
33:06 <Nothing\> but either way, setting steam to offline isn't a huge deal
33:41 <Nothing\> man, abreva is amazing stuff
33:57 <Nothing\> i started getting a massive cold sore, so i start using abreva religiously
34:05 <Nothing\> 2 days later, it's already starting to heal
34:08 <Nothing\> it barely even flared up
34:27 <Ampera> do they have a medicine that improves verbal inhibition?
34:33 <Nothing\> stuff's fucking more expensive than gold, though. Costs $25 just for like a 1 gram tube
34:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, possible
35:21 <Ampera> if you find it, and I buy it, how much would it take for you to down the whole bottle for us
35:35 <Nothing\> i was gonna say amphetamines cuz i'm like "well if benzos make you talk more, the opposite must make you talk less. So what's the opposite? AMPHETAMINES!"
35:37 <electrohead> "Thank you for your purchase!"
35:39 <electrohead> :D
35:45 <Nothing\> but oddly enough, amphetamines make you talk even more i think
35:55 <electrohead> just registered for two years, for $23
36:07 <Nothing\> i remember in the drug chats i used to frequent, now and then you'd get a meth head who comes in
36:33 <arch> electrohead, lol. i guess put categories like sad, angry, surprised, disappointed, and so on. and in each category, people can submit pics
36:38 <Nothing\> and they'd just talk and talk and talk and talk for literal hours on end, doesn't matter if you reply to them, talk back to them, talk shit to them, they ignore everything. All they do is type.
36:42 <Ampera> electrohead, you are way more dedicated than you should be
36:50 <Ampera> god bless you, you mad lad
36:50 <Nothing\> So just thank your lucky stars i'm not a methhead, Ampera
37:27 <electrohead> Nothing\: if you were, you'd talk even *more*
37:28 <Nothing\> lol or once i got some coke from one of my dealers. I spent the next 17 hours at his place and talked at him until 7am
37:30 <Nothing\> lol
37:30 <electrohead> >.>
37:42 <Ampera> that's one way to get off drugs
37:45 <Ampera> irritate all your dealers
37:49 <electrohead> ^
37:55 <electrohead> Ampera: yeah, a bit too dedicated, huh?
37:57 <electrohead> lol
38:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol i never had a head for coke anyways. I'm anxious enough as it is without powerful stimulants
38:16 <Nothing\> or stimulants period
38:24 <Nothing\> i can't even tolerate caffeine
38:31 <electrohead> Nothing\: when are you planning to give up all drugs, completely?
39:01 <Nothing\> electrohead, honestly, i'd like to get off right this second. Or part of me would anyways.
39:07 <Nothing\> it's a weird dualistic sorta thing.
39:12 <electrohead> just do it, man
39:15 <Nothing\> part of you only wants drugs and nothing else
39:18 <electrohead> mind of matter
39:21 <electrohead> over*
39:22 <Nothing\> the other part wants all of the good stuff
39:29 <Nothing\> electrohead, yup pretty much
39:39 <Nothing\> but i'm not in a good state lately
40:03 <Nothing\> so it wouldn't be a good time to quit. Perhaps when I'm feeling more emotionally stable.
40:32 <electrohead> I used to smoke weed, and I mean, a *lot* of weed for a time period in my life. one day, I decided I wanted to get somewhere on my own, within the IT/electronics world officially. I just stopped.
40:40 <electrohead> set a goal, and don't give up
41:11 * electrohead hands Nothing\ a thing called effort
41:50 * arch adds an extra potent drug called "tentacle hentai"
42:49 <Nothing\> electrohead, such things don't exist when you're depressed
43:09 <Ampera> oh you're depressed?
43:10 <Nothing\> but like all things, depression is transient and once it's over i'll be in fighting shape
43:11 <Ampera> just be happy
43:14 <Ampera> easy solution
43:24 <Nothing\> man if only it was that easy
43:52 <Nothing\> everyone who says that to me in a serious manner i just say "if it were that easy, shrinks would be out of a job and nobody would have mental health problems"
44:26 <Nothing\> really though, it doesn't cause THAT much in terms of problems
44:36 <Nothing\> weed's expensive, that's about it.
44:41 <Nothing\> actually
44:59 <Nothing\> i've been tapering off of my clonazepam and i'm down to 25% of my original dose
45:09 <Nothing\> i'm close to tapering off completely
45:38 * electrohead slaps the depression out of Nothing\
45:39 <Nothing\> so i AM making some progress. ANd come to think of it, that would be enough to make me depressed and mentally unstable. So maybe that's why I've felt so out of sorts lately.
45:46 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
45:51 <electrohead> :p
46:28 <Nothing\> i remember when I used to abuse drugs like clonazepam, when I'd come off of them I"d become terribly depressed and get into these fits of uncontrollable crying for no reason.
46:53 <Nothing\> so it would stand to reason that tapering off of my clonazepam for the last couple of months would make me mentally unstable to a degree
46:56 <electrohead> you still take clonazepam?
47:02 <Nothing\> yup
47:02 <electrohead> and you still smoke weed?
47:08 <Nothing\> yeah
47:09 <electrohead> and you say you're still depressed?
47:21 <electrohead> 2+2+2= ..
47:22 <Nothing\> that's actually why i started getting off the clonazepam
47:28 <Nothing\> smoking weed, i just forgot to take it
47:38 <Nothing\> next thing i knew, i was taking half as much as i was on before
47:45 <electrohead> you're almost there ;P
47:51 <Nothing\> yup
48:06 <Nothing\> then after i get used to being off the clonazepam
48:09 <electrohead> I just wrote out the equation, now you need to do the math, yourself
48:12 <electrohead> lol
48:16 <Nothing\> my plan is to start tapering off of my methadone
48:35 <Nothing\> which i estimate will take me 1.5-2 years
48:46 <Nothing\> tapering by medical guidelines of 10% per month
49:04 <Nothing\> which really is... what's that word
49:25 <Nothing\> where you have a function that say, approaches zero but never gets there
49:36 <Nothing\> or approaches some other number but never gets there
49:47 <Nothing\> asymptotic or something
50:11 <Nothing\> man that was some good pork and beans
50:37 <Nothing\> seriously if you have a slow cooker, get yourself a pork hock, some white beans and cook em up with some brown sugar. It's soooo good.
51:02 <Nothing\> been eating this stuff for every meal for 3 days
51:47 <Nothing\> oh yeah, there's a huge summer sale on steam
51:53 <Nothing\> going back to talking about portal 2
52:08 * electrohead waits for the wall of text lol
52:15 <Nothing\> the classic valve games like portal and half life are only $2.50 a pop
52:37 <Nothing\> electrohead, you want a wall of text? cuz I can give you a wall of text if that's what you want. lol
52:57 * Nothing\ looks up pi to the nearest millionth decimal place
53:41 <Nothing\> actually i was gonna see how much it'd cost for a full set of leg irons, belly chains, hand cuffs, and a black box for the cuffs
54:28 <Nothing\> though the black box kinda scares me cuz there's no way to slip the cuffs once that's on. So you're at the mercy of whomever cuffed you.
54:43 <Kuschelpony> noit different to real life :)
55:39 <Nothing\> do what now?
56:33 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, your mistyped sentence reminded me that i wanna go to kentucky one day just so i can see how funny they talk
56:34 <Kuschelpony> go to a bondage party and enjoy your irons together with others
56:48 <Kuschelpony> hmm, how much did i mistype?
57:19 <Nothing\> lol Kuschelpony i was just gonna say, after a cursory search i'm realizing most of what i find is going to be sexual, and not genuine. And the genuine stuff's probably gonna be several hundred bucks for the full set.
57:55 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it wasn't a huge typo just where you said "noit different to real life" instead of "no it's different to real life"
58:07 <Kuschelpony> or you find someone who lends it to you for the party
58:08 <Nothing\> but that's like how they talk in those parts
58:15 <Nothing\> "no man i say you he dead"
58:15 <electrohead> arch, Ampera - just starting to set up the VPS right now for the domain
58:18 <electrohead> :D
58:31 <Kuschelpony> well i do not exactlöy consider that sexual btw. itsa more like a recreational fun thing
59:00 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i just wanna get genuine cuffs so i can practice picking the lock and slipping them
59:04 <Kuschelpony> i meant "not different to real life"
59:08 <Kuschelpony> hihi
59:22 <Nothing\> though it's just a single ward, warded lock so it's not like it's going to be the hardest thing to pick
59:25 <Kuschelpony> unfortunately the master of handcuffs has died a year ago
59:35 <Nothing\> i taught my daughter to pick suitcase locks when she was 4
59:45 <Nothing\> that's how easy a single ward lock is to pick
59:49 <Kuschelpony> i really miss him, he was a great engineer as well
00:10 <Kuschelpony> he could open any lock and handcuff within seconds, i watched in person
00:35 <Nothing\> you literally just bend the tip of a paperclip so about 1/8 to 1/4in sticks out at a 90 degree angle, stick it in the lock, turn it and boom, it's open
00:51 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, the lock picking lawyer?
01:00 <Kuschelpony> well a real lock needs a bitz more to sequentially pick the different pins
01:20 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah that's why i wanna get an actual set of picks
01:28 <Nothing\> but all the ones on amazon had crap reviews
01:35 <Kuschelpony> no someone from Germany/Munich, Andy, who also had europes biggest collection of handcuffs
01:45 <Nothing\> like tension wrenches being prone to bending or just outright breaking
02:05 <Nothing\> a tension wrench shouldn't freaking bend. That's the last thing that should bend.
02:22 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, you live in germany, don't you?
02:26 <Kuschelpony> yep
02:37 <Kuschelpony> north bavaria, somewhere around Nuremburg
02:40 <Nothing\> ah that's right, i was talking to you about my own german family.
02:46 <Kuschelpony> i remmeber
02:54 <Nothing\> right on, my mom was born in stuttgart
03:03 <Nothing\> i thought it was tieffenbraun, but that's where they lived
04:02 <Nothing\> looks like the nearest big city is pfortzheim
04:14 <Nothing\> er pforzheim
04:48 <Nothing\> oh, well i guess it's still near stuttgart
05:09 <Nothing\> and i've got this plate in my kitchen from this city called "lehningen"
05:21 <Nothing\> has a nice church
05:50 <Kuschelpony> next i visit Berlin again
06:19 <arch> electrohead, you got it on AWS?
06:33 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, actually i have something for you
06:35 <Nothing\> just a sec
06:39 <arch> i pay $3.5/mo for a 512MB 2core
06:54 <arch> although if i went reserved instance for a year, it woulda been cheaper
06:57 <arch> i think ill do that
07:12 <Nothing\> since you're the only other person who speaks german other than my mom and my mom couldn't translate this as well. I thought maybe you could, being younger and more fluent.
08:13 <Nothing\> here Kuschelpony tell me if you can make heads or tails of this
08:15 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWJijeYhdgE
08:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: HOOPS Opal's Titti Song
08:27 <Nothing\> the title kinda gives it away but still lol
09:30 <Nothing\> all i understood was "lick meinen pussy" and "clutch meinen titties"
10:19 <Kuschelpony> Nothing, i do not intend to watch a video, can you please link me directly to some static photos, please
10:28 <Kuschelpony> im happy to say whats possible
10:36 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, actually lucky for you it IS a static photo
10:38 <Nothing\> just audio
11:20 <Kuschelpony> ok, just without youtube, please
11:34 <Nothing\> oh, hrm not sure how i could do that
11:44 <Nothing\> it's not a huge deal anyways
11:56 <Kuschelpony> i do know lots of makers
12:05 <Nothing\> i was just thinking last night i need to figure out how to dl youtube videos
12:36 <Nothing\> i used to have an extension that did it. But every damn time they update youtube's site or player, the video downloaders stop working.
13:34 <Kuschelpony> python youtube-dl works and is updated every some weeks to keep
14:10 <Nothing\> what like, just from the command line?
14:19 <Nothing\> python has some built in thing to download youtube videos?
14:36 <Nothing\> or is it a script i get and run through python?
14:38 <Kuschelpony> no 2youtube-dl" is a python script
14:45 <Nothing\> gotcha
14:57 <Kuschelpony> it works with many other places as well, i think even dropbox
15:06 <Nothing\> what about megaupload?
15:09 <Nothing\> i use them a lot
15:28 <electrohead> arch: nah, on vultr
15:31 <Nothing\> lol i'm just messing with you
15:37 <Nothing\> megaupload hasn't existed in years
15:46 <Nothing\> it's like suprnova
15:52 <Kuschelpony> you use it like
15:54 <Nothing\> or geocities
15:54 <Kuschelpony> python ./youtube-dl -f 18 a57iZuBjLLM
16:05 <Nothing\> ah okay
16:17 <Nothing\> so the letters at the are just the ones from the url
16:27 <Nothing\> that identify the video or whatever
16:31 <Kuschelpony> either directly a youtube ID, or a link to another webpage which tries to do javascript shit instead of just giving you a gfile to download
16:35 <Kuschelpony> yes
16:46 <electrohead> I use youtube-dl with mpv, to play everything from sites like youtube and etc
16:57 <Kuschelpony> that for example is a music video, Scorpions - Fly To The Rainbow (Live at Sun Plaza Hall, 1979)
17:09 <Nothing\> electrohead, it streams too? or you download them, then watch them?
17:18 <Kuschelpony> and -f 18 selects the video compression, just leave it out if you dont know
17:25 <electrohead> mpv uses youtube-dl for streaming directly
17:36 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, well, you've sold me
17:42 <Nothing\> just one important question
17:46 <electrohead> could also just use redirection and send it to another program
17:49 <Kuschelpony> sure!
17:52 <Nothing\> how good/thorough is the documentation?
17:57 <electrohead> Nothing\: very good
18:01 <Nothing\> super
18:16 <electrohead> a man page was written for it
18:28 <Nothing\> electrohead, i'll be honest, I wasn't planning on DLing when you first brought it up cuz it's not a huge deal for me. But you've sold me on it
18:30 <Kuschelpony> better than i understand it... i have not yet mastered the thing with "piping" in Linux but it seems to be possible to chain commands and pipe their data almost indefinitely
18:42 <Nothing\> electrohead, windows don't have no man
18:42 <electrohead> https://mpv.io/
18:50 <Nothing\> windows uses woman
18:53 <electrohead> lol
19:01 <electrohead> start using linux more, you'll love it
19:04 <electrohead> :D
19:12 <Nothing\> it's just not suited for my needs
19:26 <Nothing\> i used it for 2 years half out of necessity and half as a trial
19:37 <Nothing\> and it just hindered me more than anything
19:45 <electrohead> on my own hardware, I haven't used windows in a looong time
20:01 <electrohead> occasionally, I need to run up VirtualBox for something windows related
20:06 <electrohead> well, rarely
20:19 <Nothing\> yeah i was just on a pi 3 B but i was still limited in the software i could run
20:42 <electrohead> I thought I was limited years ago, then I realized you can work around limitations :P
20:46 <Nothing\> although linux has this absolutely amazing simulator for 8051/52s
20:55 <Kuschelpony> i decided in 2006 that i schould not really push WindowsNT for longer, but i also saw how XP was 1th something that needed remote actrivation which is a NO!!! for me and i would had to learn everything new anyway, so it was no pain to change to the Ubuntu family
21:00 <Nothing\> i've never found anything on windows that remotely compares
21:16 * electrohead installs arch linux on all of Kuschelpony's computers >.>
21:57 * arch installs electrohead linux on a potato
22:12 * Nothing\ installs linux on his BRAIN
23:08 <electrohead> lol
23:12 <Nothing\> you know i bet future gaming consoles will use our own neurons as part of the hardware
23:48 <Nothing\> and not just to interact like a controller. But I mean generating or experiencing parts of the game directly in your brain
33:25 <Nothing\> dammit
33:45 <Nothing\> how do i have no cords with a micro-usb connector on it
34:41 <Nothing\> I know i just had to throw a couple out because the insulation split right where the stress relief was but i should still have some
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40:58 <electrohead> oh shit, so apparently arch linux has a cloud-init script that launches automatically
41:00 <electrohead> fucking neat
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02:40 <Kuschelpony> ouch ich dachte imemr ich würde entweder Mist messen oder hätte di schittieste lautsprecher aus alten Geräten gesammelt und dann lese ich das Datenblatt https://www.visaton.de/de/produkte/chassis/breitband-systeme/r-10-s-8-ohm mit QE von 2,9 und QT 1,99
02:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - R 10 S - 8 Ohm | Visaton
03:13 <Kuschelpony> i thought i would have measured sh... on the old speakers i pulled from old stuff, but it looks like i measured right and they can still be bought new
03:35 <Kuschelpony> almost 8dB resonance peak
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07:00 <DHess_US> The resonance peak depends on the dampening, so in isolation it is not important.
08:25 <Kuschelpony> rght
08:27 <Kuschelpony> right
08:51 <Kuschelpony> but unless you do special things, any smaller case can only increase the peak in level and frequency
09:24 <Kuschelpony> so the Qts without case is already far too high, shgould be below 0,707
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30:56 <Nothing\> fuuuuuck i'm tired
31:08 <Nothing\> i only slept 2 hours the last 2 nights
31:41 <DHess_US> I'm still loving that subwoofer I tuned. I might be surprised how much it fills in the low frequency response of my bass reflex bookshelf speakers, but being bookshelf speaker, they are not very large so do not have an extended low frequency response.
32:04 <Nothing\> just tried taking a nap in my chair and my mom's damn cell phonealarm
32:33 <DHess_US> In retrospect I would have been better off building some larger bookshelf speakers, but I was pressed for time and these work well enough given their preice.
32:35 <DHess_US> price.
33:09 <DHess_US> I didn't realize that I had some suitable speakers to use temporarily in storage or I would have gone that route.
39:04 <Kuschelpony> sure
39:13 <DHess_US> I still might do that.
39:36 <Kuschelpony> i know i said this a few times but these one i built in winter are also great and fit well my circumstances and ,y taste
39:48 <DHess_US> What configuration?
40:26 <Kuschelpony> 20cm widebanders in closed box, plus 13mm supertweeter
41:02 <Kuschelpony> love how good their impulse response is, how "dry" they render music and bring instruments onto points, instead of smearing all in a diffuse cloud of sound
41:30 <Kuschelpony> the bad side is, now the other half of my music collection sounds even clearer and more hurtful like the shit that happened in mastering
41:59 <Kuschelpony> sometimes the smearing of a threeway helps to make music less sh...
42:44 <DHess_US> Excessive compression from the loudness wars? A lot of more modern music sounds like shit because of that no matter how it is played.
43:33 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
43:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Loudness war - Wikipedia
43:40 <Kuschelpony> in my opinion the dynamic compression is even the second worst problem
43:54 <Kuschelpony> the bigger is hard limiting
44:16 <Kuschelpony> sometimes when finally making the CD, sometimes one dB below fullscale inside the mixing desk
44:30 <Kuschelpony> i see many tracks that go into digital clipping
44:41 <DHess_US> In ham radio both techniques are used to boost average output power.
45:13 <Kuschelpony> i know, but then they dont try to make Hi-Fi
45:30 <Kuschelpony> well on CDs they dont try as well...
45:55 <Kuschelpony> i love music that is alive and breathes
46:28 <DHess_US> I have some old recordings that I made on my own equipment directly from the sound board and they provide a stark contrast to modern recorded music. It is almost eerie to listen to them because they are so clear.
47:06 <DHess_US> The only processing I did was to remove hiss and regular background noise like ventilation.
47:39 <Dude> g'day gents
48:04 <Dude> compressed music bad
48:10 <Dude> large dynamic range good
48:37 <Kuschelpony> i know
48:55 <Kuschelpony> i do have some recent recordings from independ artists that did not that shit and they sound awesome as well
52:20 <Kuschelpony> one of my favorites is here for example
52:22 <Kuschelpony> https://www.furaffinity.net/view/14380034/
52:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - - Keepers of the Light - by foxamoore -- Fur Affinity [dot] net
52:43 <Kuschelpony> has some slow overall compression but nothing bad
58:15 <Kuschelpony> what i also can very recommand is Scorpions with Moments of glory (the orchestral version of Wind of Change)
03:28 <Kuschelpony> not so much of music, but also recommnded for very good dynamics https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10587601/
03:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - HaD: Horses and Dragons by ReptileCynrik -- Fur Affinity [dot] net
05:02 <Kuschelpony> now the next dream would be to hear more live recordings done with a mic pair, instead of panning mono streams
07:52 <coppice> yeah, draw a Blumlein in the sand
08:42 <rust_collector> maybe find a good recording of this, on not youtube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVcl0Iw3fs8
08:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Heart crazy on you
11:04 <Lord_of_nothing_> Who elese feel hungry to?
11:33 <rust_collector> not me. I was fed by mom today
14:29 <Lord_of_nothing_> how much milk she gave?
14:42 <rust_collector> yes
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49:54 <rust_collector> YAAAAAAAAAY! that was one more day
58:58 <Ysjoelfir> was it?
59:20 <rust_collector> nah, but it still counts, so...
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00:46 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I agree
02:13 <rust_collector> I wonder how I am supposed to get the plastic crap off the plastic flyer... I am trying to find out where the speedo cable goes. I only know it goes to that one spot I can not get to
03:57 <Ysjoelfir> A hammer should work fine?
04:22 <rust_collector> not sure. it is not chinese
04:43 <Ysjoelfir> oh. then there is probably some hidden screw somewhere noone assumes
05:19 <rust_collector> probably. or some weird clip, you have to pull backways to the upside
47:32 <rust_collector> no. I think I am done. good night
51:27 <Ysjoelfir> Have a good night :)
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59:35 <Halcyon> Morning
03:04 * T3sl4 beers Halcyon
03:12 <Halcyon> It's 1000
03:22 <T3sl4> it's 1900
03:23 <Halcyon> Haven't even finished my coffee yet
03:29 <T3sl4> that's okay, it's a coffee stout
03:33 <T3sl4> :D
03:51 <Halcyon> Heheh
03:56 <T3sl4> just got back from the store with some, enjoying one in front of a fan this warmer evening :P
04:14 <Halcyon> Jealous
04:20 <Halcyon> I am so sick of the cold, dry weather
04:32 <T3sl4> weren't you gonna stuff some of that cold air into my package?
04:52 <Halcyon> I tried, there wasn't room
05:12 <T3sl4> given the size of my package, that's saying something
05:36 <Halcyon> It was pretty large and hefty
07:11 <T3sl4> and tasty
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17:42 <steve30> hey Halcyon
18:12 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
19:55 <steve30> Halcyon, I'm just designing a card. What do you think so far?
19:56 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/gay_card_2.jpg
20:08 <Halcyon> What's it for?
20:18 <steve30> fun
20:29 <Halcyon> Is it a physical card?
20:40 <steve30> yes
20:55 <steve30> well, i've not paid them to print it yet
21:16 <Halcyon> Heh neat. The front needs to be more gay. Like, favourite beverage: Strawberrry Daiquiri
21:25 <Halcyon> Position: Bottom
21:27 <Halcyon> Etc...
21:59 <steve30> I did think of Position etc, but I thought I might keep it decent
22:04 <Halcyon> Hahah
22:30 <steve30> Its also a good excuse to try out A&A's card design website
22:42 <Halcyon> It bothers my OCD that the bottom of the Y doesn't fit perfectly in the orange stripe
23:16 <steve30> hmm, I have no issue with bits dangling into the next stripe
23:30 <steve30> Also, I opted for the old fashioned rainbow flag
24:34 <steve30> anyway, i'm off out for some fresh air, back later
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18:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
19:13 <T3sl4> an Ampera!
19:24 * Ampera hugs the T3sl4
19:52 <Ampera> Dad's in the hospital, no clue what it is, he started with the walk in clinic, and they told him to go to the ER
20:19 <Ampera> The diagnosis they gave, it's a possible heart attack
20:46 <Ampera> but, the only clue is that it's been a while since I've heard from him
20:48 <T3sl4> oh, that's a poop
22:59 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/od4isu/baby_peacock_loves_to_ride_with_mama/
23:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
26:17 <electrohead> o/
28:03 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead
34:06 * electrohead hugs T3sl4
34:11 <electrohead> dude, one more day left of the beer store
34:21 <electrohead> I'm happy, yet sad at the same time
35:13 * T3sl4 pats electrohead on the back
10:30 <T3sl4> there, that was a nice walk, capped off with a neighbor lighting a mortar just as i was rounding the corner to the block
10:43 <T3sl4> i probably got a better view of it than they did :^)
12:35 <coppice> just a mortar, or were there any bricks with it?
12:55 <T3sl4> i couldn't tell, they were walled off
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17:43 <DHess_US> They are starting early here. Plenty of firecrackers tonight.
18:06 <DHess_US> Or guns maybe. Hard to tell sometimes.
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33:35 <MRiddickW> Any experience with solid state relays/optocouplers? Wondering if there's a difference between Cout and Coff (MOSFET output).
33:54 <MRiddickW> Datasheets are only seeming to list one or the other.
36:44 <T3sl4> well, Con would be meaningless :^)
36:59 <T3sl4> it's also going to be at some bias voltage, mind C goes way up near 0V
37:05 <MRiddickW> Lol, I suppose so.
37:41 <MRiddickW> Yer so smart. :p
41:43 <electrohead> lol
41:47 * electrohead waves at MRiddickW
47:14 <T3sl4> but yeh, without looking at it, i'm guessing those are synonymous
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48:46 <newbie> Good day all
49:38 <T3sl4> hi
51:58 <newbie> earlier I came on asking about connecting a sound module such as this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/254105918549?hash=item3b29e49c55:g:zA8AAOSwmQNe-~Hc -- by removing the mic and connecting it to an FM module. I have successfully done this. I am experiencing an issue where the threshold that I set via the pot for when sound is detected works well when everything is at around 20c however it seems like when the module is at 27c the threshold for when
51:58 <newbie> it detects sound changes. What component on this module would be temperature sensitive that would make such a difference?
51:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - LM393 Sound Detector Voice Sensor Module PCB Board for Arduino and RPI #299 | eBay
52:07 <steve30> o/
53:51 <T3sl4> "lm393 opamp" lol
54:26 <T3sl4> beats the hell outta me, they dont give a schematic
54:27 <newbie> oh.. i was thinking it might be the pot that was sensitive. so a temp. change of 7c would make the difference for the lm393?
54:58 <newbie> here is a schematic of a similar module: https://i.stack.imgur.com/wJid2.png
55:08 <T3sl4> theres what looks like a transistor by the microphone, maybe that's relevant
55:22 <T3sl4> the mic also has a JFET inside, which should only vary its DC voltage but maybe the circuit is made to respond to that
55:46 <newbie> I removed the mic and connected the output of an FM receiver to it...
56:19 <T3sl4> if that's the circuit then yeah it responds to dc
57:32 <newbie> so there anything I can do so that it is more stable between 20-35c? i.e. if I set the threshold via the pot at 20c it behaves the same way at 35c?
59:23 <newbie> believe I have found the exact schematic: https://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Interfacing-Sound-Sensor-with-Arduino-Sound-Sensor-Module-Schematic.jpg
59:35 <newbie> https://www.electronicshub.org/interfacing-sound-sensor-with-arduino/
59:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Interfacing Sound Sensor with Arduino - Add Sound Detection to Arduino - Add Sound Detection to Arduino
59:41 <T3sl4> oh pffbt
00:00 <T3sl4> the fucking thing is suicide biased, obviously it's a temp sensor
00:20 <T3sl4> does it really have a cap in parallel with the mic?
01:01 * MRiddickW waves back at electrohead
01:23 <newbie> I see some tiny smd cpas near where the mic used to be...
01:41 <DHess_US> <MRiddickW> Any experience with solid state relays/optocouplers? Wondering if there's a difference between Cout and Coff (MOSFET output).
01:51 <DHess_US> I think the difference is in how they are measured, but they should be the same thing.
01:53 <T3sl4> i mean... the important part is if traces connect them
02:48 <DHess_US> When you talk about Cout of a transistor, it is between the collector/drain and the emitter/source with the emitter/source grounded.
02:57 <T3sl4> i don't recall what you're trying to do with the receiver and this thing, but this circuit seems to be the wrong thing for what you're doing.
03:05 <DHess_US> But Coff with a multiplexor is measured differentially with both ends floating.
03:15 <DHess_US> I think they will be the same with a SSR.
03:16 <newbie> I believe I have a second module let me check
03:40 <MRiddickW> Huh, interesting. Here are two example datasheets:
03:42 <MRiddickW> Cout: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/240/CPC1006N-1548479.pdf
04:21 <MRiddickW> Coff: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/408/TLP172GM_datasheet_en_20210528-1076868.pdf
04:40 <DHess_US> So Coff would be measured with one side of the SSD grounded, but I don't think it makes a practical difference and they can be considered the same.
04:52 <MRiddickW> Ahh, interesting, thanks!
05:30 <Halcyon> Awww cute birb T3sl4
05:50 <newbie> oh I ordered a second one... still in the mail.. ok on the one where I removed the mic, there is a cap in parallel to where the mic used to be
06:15 <DHess_US> In the past datasheets would include a diagram showing exactly how each parameter is measured. They the manufacturer may have such a document explaining it.
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09:47 <newbie> T3sl4: I am connecting the output of an FM receiver to this module so in can detect no sound / low sound for a particular FM station. it seems to work well when I have it all set to around 20c however when I moved it to a location where the temp is around 27c the issues became apparent.
10:19 <T3sl4> you need whats called an envelope detector
10:55 <T3sl4> or just measure the receiver directly with arduino ADC and see when it's wiggling
11:26 <DHess_US> MRiddickW, the difference in the specifications seems consistent with the difference in size between the devices.
11:46 <DHess_US> 60V/50mA versus 350V/110mA and 5pf versus 30pf
13:07 <newbie> T3s14 here is a picture of how I have it connected: https://ibb.co/G5Rz3gw -- I need to replace the LM393 sound detector module with an envelope detector?
15:54 <newbie> I thought the purpose of the LM393 sound detector module would be to detect sound per the threshold set by the pot...
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24:55 <T3sl4> it's not very well made to do even that
25:49 <newbie> oh
27:00 <newbie> This module has an envelope output: https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Sparkfun%20PDFs/SEN-14262.pdf -- thought I think I should probably try your suggestion of measuring the receiver output directly via the ADC of the arduino
27:50 <newbie> not sure why I went through all this trouble of connecting this sound detector module -- never thought about measuring the output from the receiver directly...
28:13 <newbie> thank you
28:15 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
28:21 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
39:55 <steve30> i'm off to bed
39:59 <steve30> good night
41:45 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
41:51 <electrohead> goodnight steve30 o/
42:18 <electrohead> Halcyon: I just put the outback storm sauce on some pork and rice, with shredded cheese
42:20 <electrohead> <3
49:42 <newbie> take care all. have a good evening
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50:58 <Halcyon> electrohead, is that the tomato and basil one?
51:59 <electrohead> it is :D
52:01 <electrohead> so good.
52:08 <Halcyon> I wonder how it would go on tacos actually... hmm...
30:48 <T3sl4> hmm, these garlic dill cheese curds are too good
30:52 <T3sl4> i may not be pooping this week
30:56 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
33:45 <electrohead> lol
34:24 <electrohead> I downed a full bag of 'roo jerky, and a bag of beef jerky, in .. less than two hours?
34:36 <Halcyon> T3sl4, wash it down with spicy chilli to make your guts churn tomorrow, then kick start it with a coffee :P
34:42 <electrohead> and my proceeding bowel movement was really interesting
34:53 <Halcyon> electrohead, how do you find the heat level on the roo?
35:00 <electrohead> not spicy at all
35:03 <electrohead> how about you?
35:14 <Halcyon> Delicious, not spicy, like maybe a 2/10
35:23 <Halcyon> Just enough to give it warmth
35:24 <electrohead> yeah it's really good :)
35:36 <electrohead> now, the inferno jerky?
35:42 <electrohead> that's a bit spicy :P
35:45 <Halcyon> And the tough-ness...? I know it's like leather and some people don't like it
35:57 <electrohead> I actually like that about it
36:00 <electrohead> :D
36:05 <Halcyon> Me too, give the jaw a good workout
36:11 <Halcyon> Jerky that lasts longer is better
36:43 <electrohead> yup, lol
37:24 <electrohead> oh shit, it's late
37:28 <electrohead> I need to fuck off to bed
37:34 <Halcyon> I find some beef jerkys tend to be quite "fatty" towards the end of the chew. It's almost like the fat in the mean congeals slightly
37:48 <electrohead> some, yeah
37:49 <Halcyon> Meh, sleep is overrated, just ask T3sl4 who always seems to be here
38:04 <electrohead> but the roo jerky barely has any fat, which is really nice
38:14 <Halcyon> Yeh really low fat, high protein
38:29 <Halcyon> Thank gawd for coffee poops
38:30 <electrohead> I think the roo jerky was the culprit in the interesting bowel movement
38:32 <electrohead> xD
38:39 <Halcyon> Oh?
38:57 <electrohead> just like you said, it was the coffee that made it initially happen
38:59 <electrohead> heh
39:02 <Halcyon> Interesting as in... fast and explosive?
39:14 <electrohead> color wise, mainly
39:16 <electrohead> lol
39:18 <electrohead> anywho
39:19 <Halcyon> I find coffee first thing in the morning to be the catalyst
39:20 <electrohead> :P
39:26 <Halcyon> What was wrong with the colour?
39:27 <electrohead> it jump starts the colon :P
39:51 <electrohead> it was an odd color
39:54 <electrohead> ok that's it
39:58 <electrohead> I'm done talking about that
39:58 <Halcyon> ROFL
40:00 <electrohead> lol
40:02 <Halcyon> Night mate
40:12 * Halcyon notes that electrohead poops rainbow 
40:23 <electrohead> uhh, that was no fucking rainbow, my friend
40:26 <electrohead> LOL
40:39 <electrohead> Night :P
40:44 * electrohead hugs Halcyon's face
40:54 <Halcyon> Nawww :)
40:57 <Halcyon> Put your phone on silent
41:08 <Halcyon> I'll be sending you photos of pork belly later
41:09 <electrohead> you sending me more shit?
41:12 <Halcyon> Yep
41:12 <electrohead> err, pictures?
41:19 <electrohead> not pictures of shit, literally
41:21 <electrohead> no
41:23 <electrohead> just no
41:35 <electrohead> or I'll find a way to puke through the phone lines
41:37 <electrohead> lmfao
42:11 <T3sl4> electrohead: your jaws/teeth must feel interesting after that
42:32 <electrohead> T3sl4: they did >.<
42:52 <T3sl4> as for coffee, i find i don't have the hormonal effect that it does on others. it's just a nice tastybeverage to me
43:22 <T3sl4> electrohead: the jerky that is, idunno about the puke thing :P
45:23 <electrohead> lol
45:33 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/E8xs9Rc.gifv
45:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur
46:32 <electrohead> alright, getting off the laptop for good
46:36 <electrohead> ferrets are cute
46:38 <electrohead> :P
46:41 * electrohead hugs T3sl4 as well
47:03 <T3sl4> *hugs*
20:15 * hsn hugs 
20:21 <hsn> huggies
21:51 <T3sl4> idunno, it Depends
02:58 * Halcyon hugs hsn
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11:45 <Halcyon> Hye Kuschelpony
12:19 <hsn> elllooooo Halcyon birdyy how u doing
12:24 <Kuschelpony> Hallo
19:25 <Halcyon> Not, bad, how you guys doing?
20:27 <Kuschelpony> i prefer to not go into detail, just say i cant stand anymore the social situation i am in
20:36 <Halcyon> Alright, I won't ask
22:19 <Kuschelpony> so im sorry if i can probably not contribute anything today or so
22:45 <Halcyon> You never need to apologise in here Kuschelpony
23:04 <Halcyon> Not contribute. You just being here is effort enough.
23:24 <Halcyon> *Nor
24:59 <Kuschelpony> well, i felt some joy from the feeling i was at least good enough and useful for society to help beginners with their projects from my knowledge
25:17 <Halcyon> That's good
25:51 <Halcyon> And whilst you're going through your struggles, I'm glad you're here.
25:53 <Kuschelpony> but to say that, i lost any hope of beeing good and valuable enough to be invited to other circles, while i have desperately tried to be
26:06 <Kuschelpony> non-electronic things
26:29 <Halcyon> Well I don't know if you've noticed but I and other consider you part of our circle
26:37 <Halcyon> It's not often I talk electronics either
28:15 <Kuschelpony> oh thats absolutely fine, sorry i did not wanted to discount you
28:28 <Kuschelpony> i meant other specific circles i try to join
31:05 <Kuschelpony> like for example ponyplay-related events where i would be allowed to suit up myself, but they are hidden and secretive anyway and really close the doors for someone like me with aspergers wo is totally not able to fulfil their higher social expectations and therefore considered worthless, needy, or even creepy
31:57 <Kuschelpony> i try to distract myself again with electronics debvelopment but that barely does it
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54:47 <hsn> Halcyon, im doing shit thanks for asking :D
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31:11 <Lemon> well well well
31:32 <Lemon> seems I replaced my screwdriver bits with german quality :>
32:58 <Kuschelpony> hello Lemon
33:48 * T3sl4 fondles Lemon's screwbits
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38:33 <Lemon> hello peeps :>
38:40 <Lemon> cant wait to get everything !
38:50 <Lemon> its been a few days that im looking around to get the best things possible
40:41 <Lemon> I settled on a wiha 65 precision bits kit, with an esd safe small handle, and a tiny ratchet, a 31 security bit wiha kit, another 31 bit wiha kit with other things like slotted, pozidriv etc that werent in other kits, metric/imperial bondhus hex keys, 3 sizes of pb swiss bit holders, a fully insulated felo bit holder, a felo angled bit ratchet, and a couple single bits from pb swiss to complete kits :>
41:05 <Lemon> it should cover everything I will disassamble/assamble for the rest of my life, hopefully
41:16 <T3sl4> every time i see "Lemon: ... peeps" i think about https://i.imgur.com/ZBhuq6v.jpg
41:24 <Lemon> I wanted to get a flexible bit holder but meh idk about those
41:44 <Lemon> lol what is that, a derpy lemon chick ? :P
42:16 <T3sl4> it's a... marshmallow fluff thing
42:22 <Lemon> its cute tho !
46:33 <Lemon> are you using esd protections T3sl4 ? a mat, a wirst strap, screwdrivers, or whatever ?
46:50 <T3sl4> in my lab? just procedures
47:02 <Lemon> my father never used any, he always told me that touching something grounded prior to handling anything sensistive was fine
47:07 <Lemon> like what ?
47:26 <T3sl4> at other labs, i've used wrist straps, ESD mats, the uh ground strips you tuck into your shoe, etc
48:09 <T3sl4> like that, not precisely touching ground but touching common of the thing you're working on, and not fidgeting too much in your chair so as to generate more static, yeah
48:21 <Lemon> and what do you think, is it a big deal ? or people are just paranoid against it ? I mean in general, for ultra sensitive places I can understand
49:12 <T3sl4> i haven't zapped anything that i know of, but it absolutely could happen some day. procedures inevitably get skipped and something gets blown
49:29 <T3sl4> what hardware gives you, is laziness so you don't have to pay attention to that
49:47 <T3sl4> don't worry about voltage differentials, just bleed everything to ground on principle
50:38 <Lemon> hmmm yeah I see
50:52 <Lemon> well the bit holders were available in esd safe versions for the same price
51:00 <Lemon> so I took everything in esd safe
51:12 <Lemon> when I'll get my bench done I'll buy a mat and accessories
51:22 <Lemon> just for peace of mind
52:12 <T3sl4> wonder what the difference is. mildly conductive plastic parts? tested ground path?
54:02 <Lemon> about what ?
54:07 <Lemon> screwdrivers ?
54:22 <T3sl4> ye
54:31 <Lemon> yeah they are slighly conductive
55:14 <Lemon> and they are yellow, so its cool :>
55:21 <T3sl4> aww
57:01 <hsn> hey T3sl4 miss my questions ?
57:15 <T3sl4> hsn, when was that?
57:35 <hsn> miss = missing ..
57:40 <hsn> like do u miss
57:49 <T3sl4> oh, no :>
57:56 <hsn> but i ve one :D
58:51 <hsn> i had splited my mcu power rail with a ferite bead ..
58:57 <hsn> but then i had .. https://snipboard.io/47XvYZ.jpg
00:06 <hsn> actually its not ferrite .. just jumper .. but i guess that rail gonna be noisy
00:07 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/rGPuk9.jpg
00:17 <hsn> mcu_vdd vs target_3v3
00:40 <T3sl4> how noisy, and where would it matter
00:58 <hsn> the bad news .. that this "split" make all signals pass through power plane split
00:59 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/PoXOhC.jpg
01:19 <T3sl4> so then don't do that? :D
01:24 <T3sl4> GND is contiguous, right?
01:28 <T3sl4> that's what really matters
01:35 <hsn> it really doesnt matter .. i just wanted to have all the power of mcu throw "resistor" so i can measure current consumption ..
01:52 <T3sl4> also, break up some of those groups of vias, see the slots they make in both planes
01:53 <hsn> gnd is between power plane and that splitted power plane ..
02:29 <hsn> thanks for that via advice really good one i forgot it :D
03:21 <hsn> i wanted to replace J305 with resistor .. to measure mcu current .. but that does make more harm than usefull-ness right ?
04:26 <T3sl4> why is there a hole under the crystal
04:52 <T3sl4> usually the opposite is done, to no effect really, it's just a meme
05:15 <T3sl4> why are there so many caps, so far away from the MCU?
05:21 <hsn> T3sl4, under the crystals - gnd plane
05:44 <T3sl4> power traces could be thicker maybe, esp away from the pins
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06:05 <hsn> i cant make the caps closer .. https://snipboard.io/eHfgXm.jpg
06:11 <hsn> they will fuck my traces
06:23 <T3sl4> what size vias are those
06:39 <hsn> 0.3mm hole - 0.6mm
06:57 <hsn> good for ipc class 3 :D ?
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07:07 <T3sl4> can use smaller if needed
07:48 <T3sl4> like 0.2/0.45
07:54 <hsn> so u think: caps are too far ?
08:04 <T3sl4> there are 0402 caps, too
08:24 <hsn> hoh .. yeah .. should i start using these ? :D
08:44 <hsn> i never went below 0603 .. just for .. easier for hand fix solder
08:46 <T3sl4> could place bottom side as well, or use 6 layer to reduce routing pressure but just better routing should be enough
09:10 <hsn> its 6 layers board
09:21 <T3sl4> oh it is, wtf
09:27 <hsn> wait
09:27 <T3sl4> easy then
09:48 <hsn> let me share
09:53 <hsn> top: https://snipboard.io/7k0FbQ.jpg
10:24 <hsn> 2nd: power plane gnd : https://snipboard.io/snmRQ1.jpg
10:24 <T3sl4> whats all the black stuff
10:48 <hsn> under crystales: https://snipboard.io/hYqZ8H.jpg
11:09 <hsn> black = no gnd plane under transformer
11:43 <hsn> crystals have same gnd but its splitted and connected to gnd from bottom layer
12:08 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/2EiQhG.jpg
12:10 <hsn> like this
12:30 <hsn> L3: https://snipboard.io/uhHwxZ.jpg
12:30 <T3sl4> i count at least 36 traces crossing over the bottom gnd split, on the top side alone
12:45 <hsn> L4 https://snipboard.io/c0sUjY.jpg
13:13 <T3sl4> this is a nightmare
13:23 <hsn> wait which bottom gnd split ?
13:47 <T3sl4> all the shit along the bottom and right edge of board
14:20 <hsn> its not gnd split
14:24 <hsn> its power plane split
14:28 <hsn> the green right ?
14:46 <T3sl4> you said all the black stuff is no gnd plane
15:38 <hsn> no man .. let me correct my self ..
15:48 <hsn> layer 2 = gnd plane .. except these : https://snipboard.io/x0IGzX.jpg
15:54 <hsn> these are black stuff
16:21 <T3sl4> then whats the darker gray on that pic
17:11 <hsn> u mean this layer: https://snipboard.io/S5J4Lp.jpg ?
17:28 <hsn> polygons of different power planes
17:57 <T3sl4> is that what it is, ok
18:15 <T3sl4> i hate altium planes, they're old and bad..
18:44 <hsn> my question was .. its not good idea to have mcu power plane splitted from 3v3 just because im thinking to put resistor to measure current
19:11 <hsn> specially for bottom 6th layer because the adjacent layer to it .. "very close" = power plane right
19:13 <hsn> ?
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21:09 <hsn> also is it still night mare ?
21:34 <T3sl4> no
22:55 <hsn> so u think i should remove the j305 in here: https://snipboard.io/T1g3cq.jpg << and merge the power plane under mcu with p3v3 ?
23:39 <T3sl4> with enough caps with short traces, it doesn't really matter
24:35 <hsn> hrmm and u think these are long traces to 0603 caps ?
25:01 <hsn> 5mm between mcu pin and decoupling caps
27:12 <T3sl4> as in VCC length alone?
28:52 <hsn> VCC length ?
29:22 <hsn> as .. u said caps are too far from mcu .. but the only way i see to make them much closer is by going to 0402 size
29:36 <T3sl4> not the only way
29:44 <T3sl4> i'd have to look up some others i've done with 0603, 0805
30:08 <T3sl4> prioritize some caps, remove others, you don't need one on every damn power pin
30:21 <T3sl4> can always double up vias to pads if you need the inductance down
30:41 <T3sl4> absolutely no need for routing clearance an issue, with all those layers to use
31:19 <hsn> oh yeah ? look at the mess https://snipboard.io/PVkfRY.jpg :D
31:54 <T3sl4> you know you can edit what the autorouter shits out, right?
32:20 <hsn> auto router ? :D its all me
32:29 <hsn> lol
35:01 <T3sl4> bet i could pull out... 50 vias and a couple inches of total trace length from that
36:10 <hsn> pull out = reduce 50 vias ?
36:18 <hsn> ah
36:54 <hsn> i think u right .. i reduced them few days ago .. what u see is cleaned up version of total mess :D
39:06 <hsn> what i dont like is the crystals position .. they are making my vertical routing layer conjusted
39:19 <hsn> congested
40:11 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/6DQdcN.jpg
40:16 <hsn> everything goes down
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23:31 <hsn> T3sl4, if i need to prioritize some caps over others .. this means i need to check the mcu power cluster ?
23:45 <T3sl4> maybe? idunno
37:03 * electrohead yawns and stares at T3sl4
37:14 * T3sl4 meows innocently at electrohead
37:28 * electrohead nopes out of this one
37:52 <T3sl4> really, not filming material for a change? :D
39:15 <electrohead> nah man, it's my last day at the beer store
39:18 <electrohead> not in the mood lol
41:22 <T3sl4> bittersweet, like a nice stout
41:33 <electrohead> no, you're a towel!
43:41 <T3sl4> why, thank you, and it's not even national towel day
43:50 <electrohead> :p
43:57 <electrohead> you have any plans today?
44:03 <T3sl4> nop
45:45 <electrohead> not lighting anything on fire, blowing something up?
45:55 <T3sl4> nah, haven't had the stuff to do that in a while
46:09 <T3sl4> or, a place more rather. i still have a number of chemicals
53:39 * hsn shares coffee with T3sl4 
53:43 <T3sl4> \o/
54:49 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: um, wow that was clutch. so, i board a ship and one of my dudes dies. clone bay picks them up like a bro. just then my zoltan shield falls, they launch a hack drone at my clone bay and the dude's disappearing before my eyes
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55:16 <T3sl4> my burst laser 2 charges up just in time, to pierce two shields and do 1 damage to their hack, saving my dude with pixels to spare
55:39 <hsn> paypal is trying to rollout patereon ?
55:50 <hsn> i think monthly donation is new feature
57:30 <T3sl4> think they've always had subscriptions/periodic payments?
57:45 * T3sl4 shrugs, thanks hsn for his coffee
58:05 <hsn> enjoys
58:25 <hsn> i made 300$ on upwork
58:28 <hsn> 400
58:40 <hsn> last month
58:44 <electrohead> Dude: you around?
59:03 <hsn> dude: you a cube?
59:22 * electrohead smacks hsn
59:24 <electrohead> lol
59:29 <hsn> :D
59:41 <T3sl4> dave's not here man
00:23 <hsn> T3sl4, u have upwork account right ?
00:24 <electrohead> I'm just wanting to verify that's him; there's been a spam issue lately, and for the most part it's good to go now
00:31 <electrohead> and I've been asked to verify that person
00:54 <T3sl4> ah
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08:15 <Dude> hey
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08:32 <rust_collector> who?
08:47 <Dude> electrohead, hey
08:52 <T3sl4> i know, he's just A Dude
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09:04 <rust_collector> oh
09:35 <hsn> T3sl4, see he is not A dude .. he is theDude!
09:41 <T3sl4> :O
09:53 <hsn> rust_collector, o/
09:54 <electrohead> lol
10:05 <electrohead> TheDude: just needed to verify you were still accounted for, digitally :P
10:12 <TheDude> lol
10:20 <TheDude> I was kneading some pizza dough
10:26 <T3sl4> D'ough!
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10:40 <electrohead> sorry mate
10:47 <TheDude> it's all good
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36:59 <Halcyon> Oh fuck, I didn't realise the time
36:59 <Halcyon> No wonder I feel sleepy
36:59 <Ampera> Have a good night, Halcyon, and remember, dust, mold, and pathogens are always around you, touching you, going inside you, violating you, doing whatever they want to do inside your body...
36:59 <Halcyon> Yep
36:59 <Halcyon> Just like gay guys :P
36:59 <Ampera> You can never escape it, you can only grasp desperately to make yourself pure.
36:59 <Ampera> You will always feel the itch of being unclean.
36:59 <Halcyon> I don't feel unclean
36:59 <Halcyon> In fact, I have clean sheets
36:59 <Halcyon> Best feeling in the world after a massage
36:59 <steve30> mmm, massage
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