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00:17:24 <K> otoh i dont know that single factory would significantly reduce the shortages
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00:26:02 <DHess_US> You don't make money building trailing edge fabs.
00:26:35 <DHess_US> A new trailing edge fab would have to compete with fully depreciated trailing edge fabs.
00:27:28 <K> can 2nm fab only make 2nm parts
00:27:29 <K> ?
00:28:10 <DHess_US> No, but producing larger feature size parts won't pay for it.
00:28:52 <K> then is there a profitable way to reduce dependency on taiwanese/chinese/far east fabs?
00:29:16 <K> matbe the possible win is in longer run
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00:30:06 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbdwbsBbODM
00:30:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ISSCC 2016: William M. Holt, Moore’s Law: A Path Forward
00:30:17 <DHess_US> A profitable way? Sure, stop ignoring economics.
00:30:39 <DHess_US> You want to blame someone? Blame politicians.
00:31:50 <K> i am less about blame here
00:40:18 <TheDude> hello
00:40:23 <TheDude> profitable what now?
00:44:19 <K> idea of reducing dependency on far east fabs for ics, but not best and latest tech
00:49:41 <DHess_US> There are companies which do that, but it isn't by building new fabs.
00:50:02 <DHess_US> They buy old depreciated fab equipment.
00:50:41 <K> yeah, that was the next thing on my mind
00:51:07 <DHess_US> That is also why the oldest fabs cannot be replaced so when they are dismantled because they cannot be maintained, those products get redesigned.
00:51:36 <DHess_US> There are a lot of old ICs which cannot now be produced because nobody makes the equipment or even the materials.
00:51:42 <DHess_US> Old fab processes go obsolete.
01:45:14 <T3sl4> at least until zeloof has a production line going
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02:06:02 <arch> in a resonant LLC smps, are the effects of leakage inductance ringing on the secondary side diodes reduced? my first guess would yes, since the output voltage is sinusoidal (no sharp transitions) so it shouldn't excite the parasitic diode capacitance with the inductance as much as it would if the output was square wave, right?
02:06:18 <arch> T3sl4, ^
02:06:27 <Kuschelpony> just a guess, but i think the same
02:06:32 <T3sl4> buh
02:06:41 <arch> boo
02:06:46 <T3sl4> AAAHHH!!
02:06:52 * T3sl4 points a cross at arch
02:07:01 <Kuschelpony> but what matters is not exactly the voltage, but how the current through the diodes tapers off
02:07:02 * arch scares T3sl4 with some awful MC34063 designs
02:07:42 <arch> yeah, the current waveforms depending on the load slightly differs
02:07:43 * T3sl4 crosses proton streams at arch
02:07:50 <arch> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/de/f9/17/b7/ad/9f/4d/dd/CD00174208.pdf/files/CD00174208.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00174208.pdf
02:08:12 <arch> im surprised they dont include any snubbing related info
02:08:28 <T3sl4> anyway, the point is the capacitance gets lumped in with the C of the LLC, the transitions at the rectifier are smooth and well behaved
02:09:12 <T3sl4> they might still have some ringing or peaking due to local strays of the diodes, so don't be a dumbass with the layout, but even that isn't hard to dampen/snub
02:09:34 <arch> of course
02:10:26 <T3sl4> oh, for the series resonant LLC, that makes more of a CLLC, series into parallel that is
02:10:36 <arch> need to build and understand other topologies, so looking at LLC resonant, basic research before i get building
02:10:43 <T3sl4> but that doesn't make things too awkward for the diodes, at least until you're really cranking the Fo
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02:11:25 <arch> really became a fan of sepic lately hehe
02:12:07 <Kuschelpony> and im waiting for the UC3842 to arrive to play with my first ZVS flyback after more than 10 years
02:12:08 <T3sl4> this kind of thing is easy enough, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/ResonantSupplySch.png can do all that with a 393 and 431 and whatever other gate driver
02:12:38 * T3sl4 gives Kuschelpony a nice tasty inductor
02:12:40 <arch> speaking of which, i read a paper that said sepic has 600 degrees of phase lag. does that explain why my downgoing transients are slow compared to upgoing?
02:12:56 * flyback bites Kuschelpony
02:12:57 <arch> lemme paste the output i got yesterday, with 12V input
02:13:18 <Kuschelpony> hihi, already selfwound
02:13:46 <arch> https://imgur.com/a/oC8JBj0
02:13:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
02:14:28 <T3sl4> arch: more likely the change in modulator gain, because duty% varying in DCM, or transitioning from DCM to CCM or whatever
02:14:48 <arch> i did notice the response at 30V in is much snappier
02:15:01 <arch> https://elog.moltensolderlabs.com/elog/210406_031332/30v_in_hp_prime95_stresstest_plus_2a_transient_load.png
02:15:59 <arch> but anywho, im pleased af. actually the response is better than what they had in the TI appnote for a 65W 16V output, 8-32V input build
02:16:35 <arch> that one took something like 3ms. they went crazy with the output caps though, 2200uF+ lol
02:22:54 <arch> speaking of leakage inductance spikes on output diode...sepic has basically none..this is across the secondary diode waveform: https://imgur.com/a/K4zN3W9
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02:23:23 <T3sl4> sometimes you need a lil, depends on the switch-cap-diode-bypass loop
02:23:40 <arch> damn, i must be a pro at layout then :D
02:23:45 <T3sl4> that's one more component than a boost/buck so it can be something to watch out for
02:34:30 <arch> fuck i spent $480 on that keysight clamp ammeter...i dont even use it much. that was an impulse buy and i am ashamed =(
02:34:50 <arch> fking 1000A capability. i dont think ill ever even come close to that
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02:37:02 <arch> https://i.imgflip.com/5fixqh.jpg
02:37:19 <T3sl4> ^
02:37:44 <arch> ah actually, i was initially thinking of becoming an apprentice for an electrician, so thats why
02:37:48 <T3sl4> clamp meters, the capacity doesn't really mean anything, it's the offset, and DC capability that matters
02:37:51 <arch> that was before i went into IT
02:38:25 <arch> yeah so that meter can measure AC current, AC+DC current, and DC current
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02:40:11 <arch> but that UNI-T clamp meter is amazing value
02:40:23 <arch> accurate to 2.5%
02:40:33 <arch> i mean 2.5% error
02:40:40 <arch> and cost only $40
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02:43:07 <arch> T3sl4, how does that resonant conv build schematic you posted handle the overcurrent limiting? i dont see a current sense diode
02:43:38 <arch> err
02:43:40 <arch> resistor not diode
02:43:55 <T3sl4> why would i waste power in a resistor?
02:45:31 <arch> looks like it's measuring the output at C23 node via capacitive divider
02:45:45 <arch> or something
02:47:43 <T3sl4> indeed
02:48:05 <rust_collector> MR STEVE!!! MR STEVE!!! IT POPPED!
02:48:37 <K> U WOT
02:49:04 * T3sl4 steve30000--
02:50:09 <rust_collector> I had an old capacitor, that I tried to use, because I had it, and it made funny boiling noises for quite a while, before it had enough, and went somewhere in the kitchen, I think
02:50:39 <arch> T3sl4, u noob, whyd u use LM7506. use a LM7805 to get 5V output without the two diodes. *taps head. big brain time*
02:50:45 <arch> 7806 even*
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02:52:30 <T3sl4> arch: the better question is why i used such a big transistor, at such a high frequency. gate drive power accounts for about half the losses :P
02:52:51 <arch> i knew that. i was just testing you
02:52:52 <T3sl4> a switching reg for the +5-6V would be well served
02:54:50 <rust_collector> a swiss navy forklift, for all kinds of uses
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03:11:23 <steve30> hi
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03:47:54 <Lord_of_nothing> sry my pc crash
03:51:46 <rust_collector> Lemon !!
03:54:18 <Lord_of_nothing> pls 10
03:54:22 <Lord_of_nothing> x
05:14:33 <Lemon> yes !
05:14:40 <Lemon> rust_collector !
05:21:02 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon
05:21:15 <Lemon> :O
05:21:21 <Ampera> how are you?
05:22:10 <Lemon> hooo pretty good, I placed the order for everything this morning :> various bit kits, bit holders etc !
05:22:12 <Lemon> and you ?
05:22:27 <Ampera> am on the toilet
05:23:11 <Ysjoelfir> cool, when do you buy me something valueable?
05:23:26 * Ampera buys Ysjoelfir a lasting friendship
05:23:39 <Lemon> im offering you all my love and gratitude !
05:27:14 <Ampera> Lemon, nobody's even given me that before
05:27:33 <Ampera> does that hurt?
05:27:41 <Lemon> hmmm it depends !
05:28:05 <Lemon> so far I never hurt anyone :>
05:28:08 <Lemon> hurted ? hurt ?
05:28:19 <Lemon> hurted sounds weird
05:28:33 <Ampera> you need more hammers
05:28:36 <Ampera> that makes hurting people easier
05:29:03 <Ampera> sleep sounds like a nice thing to do right now
05:31:06 <Lemon> nahhh me dont like to hurt peeps
05:31:11 <Lemon> me only loves
05:31:29 <Ysjoelfir> lamon!
05:32:12 <Ampera> I need to go to the store but I am too lazy to
05:32:19 <Ampera> guess I'll just starve, oh well
05:32:23 <Ysjoelfir> immagining I would have to visit that strange land down southwest of me.... not the small one, I mean the big one. would I have to be able to speak this strange language?
05:32:59 <Ampera> why would you want to go to spain?
05:33:08 <Ysjoelfir> not that far down
05:33:21 <Ysjoelfir> basically inbetween germanistan and spainistan
05:33:21 <Ampera> why would you want to visit andora
05:33:33 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know why I would want to do that.
05:33:39 <Ampera> me neither
05:33:54 <Ampera> I had a dream last night about visiting Germany
05:34:16 <Ampera> I should probably get my german passport first though
05:34:19 <Ampera> which sounds like fun
05:34:42 <Ampera> the US ones are irritating enough to get even if you already have one
05:34:53 <Ysjoelfir> lol
05:35:34 <Lemon> ermmm people struggle with english here sadly
05:35:42 <Lemon> so yes I fear you will have to speak that strange language :>
05:35:57 <Ysjoelfir> EW!
05:36:02 <Ysjoelfir> ok, then I won't visit that
05:36:11 <Lemon> ;/////
05:36:16 <Lord_of_nothing> OMG who want order a MUŞCHI FILÉ????
05:36:44 <Ampera> honestly it'd be hilarious trying to exist in Germany or France on my own
05:37:06 <Ampera> Germany I'd probably have better luck with, because I know enough to ask really broken questions
05:37:23 <Ampera> but for french, all I can do is moan aggressively at them and hope they understand
05:37:40 <Ysjoelfir> nobody here speaks that strange language, so.... erm yes. "Hi mr. sir, I want some baguette for breakfast!" - Je ne veux pas acheter ce tapis. Vous êtes les bienvenus.
05:38:36 <Lemon> hahaha relatable !
05:38:44 <Lemon> well you have some luck with younger peeps
05:38:56 <Lemon> but yeah with older ones, its super rare to find english speaking ones
05:39:10 <Lemon> but on another hand
05:39:19 <Lemon> its possible that you find german speaking people
05:39:33 <Ysjoelfir> I should get a good talking translator app, maybe
05:40:04 <Ampera> honestly, I'd rather just try to figure things out on my own, rather than be /that guy/ with the translator
05:40:25 <Ampera> that being said, Lemon would be the only real reason I'd have to go to France
05:40:45 <Ampera> it's like Portland, but with better food'
05:40:46 <Lemon> <3
05:41:00 <Lemon> but yeah I mean you'll survive
05:41:08 <Lemon> I went to germany and survived :>
05:41:32 <Lemon> yes I learnt german at school for 5 years, yes I didnt listen very well and drugs wiped my memory, yes yes xd
05:41:50 <Ampera> I learned German and English when I was very young
05:42:07 <Ampera> and was at a point once in my life where I could maintain a conversation at about a 3-5 year old's level
05:42:16 <Ampera> (around the time I was actually 3-5)
05:43:04 <Ampera> but because of many reasons, not needing german in my daily life, and my dad pissing me off by refusing to talk to me almost at all until I was 10-12 in anything but German, I never learned much more
05:44:17 <Ampera> I have a very strong grasp of English, especially roots and more obscure vocabulary, so I am most of the time capable of reading German to a degree, but understanding it spoken is a lot harder, and speaking it is mostly German with English crutches
05:45:43 <Lemon> yeah same case for me, I'm maybe not as good as you with english but it's decent enough to be understood and hold a convo, but in german... welp, I really forgot most of what I knew
05:45:45 <DHess_US> If I listen to enough German then it starts to make sense, but I have no formal training in it.
05:46:19 <Lemon> but all y'all need to know about german, is the secret words
05:46:28 <Lemon> "kartoffel salad"
05:46:40 <Lemon> that will get you anywhere :>
05:46:42 <DHess_US> Not much call to learn German where I went to school in SoCal. Spanish was the most common secondary language with French being third.
05:47:17 <Ampera> If I gave it a solid month of strict vocabulary study and reading, I could probably pick it up easily, but I've just never gotten the energy to do that
05:50:55 <DHess_US> I know how to learn another language now, but have zero reason to do so.
05:54:02 <coppice> At school I learned French, German and Latin at school, but the first foreign language that would have been of any value to me was Cantonese
05:55:29 <coppice> but I didn't learn to check myself for repetition
05:55:50 <electrohead> o/
05:58:17 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
06:02:57 <Lord_of_nothing> Does anyone from romania is here?
06:41:32 <electrohead> hey mate
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06:48:03 <Ysjoelfir> so mr. head, what are you up to?
07:26:45 <Ysjoelfir> mr. head! y u ignore me? ;_;
07:29:37 <Halcyon> Morning all
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07:29:58 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
07:32:32 <Halcyon> Cold one today, -1.8C this morning
07:32:48 <Lord_of_nothing> Good evening
07:33:00 <Lord_of_nothing> Where are you now? Here its ~30c
07:33:02 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
07:33:37 <Halcyon> Lord_of_nothing, just outside of Sydney
07:33:47 <Halcyon> I wish we had your 30 degrees
07:39:55 <Lord_of_nothing> haha what i know when we have winter in your country its summer so...
07:40:21 <Lord_of_nothing> Can I ask you question about the current political situation in your country?
07:41:06 <Halcyon> Sure
07:46:13 <rust_collector> or maybe you can not...
07:48:30 <Halcyon> What's the question?
07:56:33 <Lord_of_nothing> does australian need a permit to leave the country?
07:57:55 <Halcyon> At the moment, there is a ban on outbound travel. However there are exemptions. Those exemptions are:
07:57:56 <Halcyon> your travel is as part of the response to the COVID-19 outbreak, including the provision of aid
07:57:56 <Halcyon> your travel is for your business/employer
07:57:56 <Halcyon> you are travelling to receive urgent medical treatment that is not available in Australia
07:57:56 <Halcyon> you are travelling outside Australia for a compelling reason for three months or longer
07:57:56 <Halcyon> you are travelling on compelling or compassionate grounds
07:57:57 <Halcyon> your travel is in the national interest.
07:58:39 <Halcyon> https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia#toc-6
07:58:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Leaving Australia | COVID-19 and the border
07:58:42 <Lord_of_nothing> so when an expat want see there family somewhere arround the world could the leave?
08:00:19 <Halcyon> A holiday isn't a good enough excuse
08:00:39 <Halcyon> There would have to be a good reason. "Because you miss them" probably wouldn't cut it
08:04:05 <rust_collector> I guess you could get away with it, if you never returned?
08:06:09 <Lord_of_nothing> I guess someone who life, work,... and have a permit want risk them
08:13:54 <DHess_US> Learn to swim.
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10:03:22 <DHess_US> Never park your seamoth in a bad part of town.
10:29:31 <DHess_US> This whole post lockdown logistical breakdown has gone too far. I bought the last of the locally available Red Vines.
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11:48:50 <Ysjoelfir> mornings-ish
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13:17:37 <alfbaz> Hi
13:22:24 <Halcyon> Hey alfbaz
13:23:16 <electrohead> yo
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13:28:11 * alfbaz hugs Halcyon and tickles electrohead
13:28:50 <Halcyon> :D
13:29:03 <electrohead> lol, hey man :p
13:31:22 <alfbaz> I feel like punching someone in the head
13:31:36 <alfbaz> I just walked into emergency
13:31:55 <steve30> hi
13:32:24 <alfbaz> and told them 'I think im having a heart attack'
13:33:02 <alfbaz> 'Take a seat we'll be with you shortly' :o
13:33:51 <Halcyon> To be fair, if you're conscious and breathing, you're a low priority
13:34:34 <alfbaz> lol, give it a minute
13:34:36 <T3sl4> "take a seat over there"
13:34:53 <steve30> They were on about insisting on making appointments for casualty depts here.
13:35:06 <alfbaz> "try not to die on the walkway"
13:35:23 <Halcyon> They did not say that?
13:36:10 <alfbaz> Halcyon, LOL no but im sure the sec gaurd would be tgibkibg it
13:36:37 <Halcyon> My view on this is biased, so I'll just shut up :P
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13:37:30 <DHess_US> Could be worse. I went to the emergency room and was left on the floor writhing in pain for an hour. I was in too much pain to sit.
13:37:47 <Halcyon> How much did it end up costing you DHess_US ?
13:37:55 <Halcyon> (Sorry, that was a joke about America)
13:38:32 <alfbaz> Yeah when the pain killers wear off I might be in the same position
13:40:50 <alfbaz> Halcyon, tell me more about this bias. I like being privi to thoughts of others, especially if theyre completely off my horizon
13:41:06 <T3sl4> Halcyon: it would be funny if it weren't true :/
13:41:47 <Halcyon> alfbaz, well, due to the nature of my current and present roles... we often resort to dark humour to cope.
13:42:15 <Halcyon> Well not to "cope" but it becomes the norm
13:42:31 <Halcyon> And as bad as it might sound to admit it, sometimes it's at the expense of others.
13:42:40 <Halcyon> It's kind of a way to normalise terrible things.
13:43:10 <Halcyon> An example of that might be someone who committed suicide and joking about it always being on the effing top floor of an apartment building.
13:43:56 <alfbaz> yeah the "to soon?" question I always answere no
13:44:09 <Halcyon> *nod*
13:44:31 <Halcyon> Of course I don't say these things publically or in front of victims or anything like that, but sometimes I'm thinking it.
13:45:03 <Halcyon> Or I might be at a crime scene and wondering where the coffee or bathroom is
13:45:32 <alfbaz> lol
13:45:41 <steve30> I guess it would suck if someone was murdered while they were on the toilet
13:45:47 <DHess_US> Halcyon, nothing compared to being forced to stay in the hospital for a couple days and getting surgery.
13:46:05 <Halcyon> Anyway yeh, that's all. Some might not agree with it, but I don't care. They aren't the ones who have had to scoop up dead bodies, tell their families they have died or categorise child abuse material.
13:46:06 <alfbaz> better to cope witj humur than ptsd
13:46:23 <Halcyon> Exactly alfbaz
13:46:35 <DHess_US> Once the doctor saw the initial tests which indicated that I was well fed, starving, and had an infection, he told me that they were not going to let me leave until they figured it out.
13:47:12 <Halcyon> Was the doctor calling you fat?
13:47:12 <DHess_US> well fed and starving means high glucose and high ketones, which shouldn't happen at the same time.
13:48:03 <DHess_US> One means I had eaten recently, which I hadn't, and the other means that my liver was busy converting fats as if I had been fasting.
13:48:08 <Halcyon> Sorry, I'll stop now
13:48:16 <Halcyon> I hope everything worked out fine
13:48:27 <DHess_US> It did, but I lost my gal bladder.
13:48:34 <alfbaz> How long did it take for them tto
13:48:47 <alfbaz> to figure it out?
13:49:37 <DHess_US> Not too long. They put me in the x-ray tomographic scanner and that showed that there was something wrong with my gal bladder.
13:49:49 <DHess_US> I didn't get any super powers though. Bummer.
13:50:18 <Halcyon> Ripped off!
13:54:23 <alfbaz> Yeah you could of at least came away with an unparalleled gall :P
13:54:43 <Halcyon> Snap! :P
13:54:59 <alfbaz> :)
13:55:28 <DHess_US> Instead they removed it. Imagine what I was like before.
13:56:09 <alfbaz> shameless :P
13:56:53 <DHess_US> Usually people don't get admitted through the emergency room to have their gall bladder removed. Instead the fact that they have had several gall bladder attacks is identified and it is scheduled for a time when they aren't crippled.
13:57:56 <Halcyon> Did they ever work out what went wrong?
13:58:19 <DHess_US> I thought that was clear. Was was wrong was that I had gal stones.
13:58:26 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Looking for a surgeon is kinda like looking through Tinder. Some just don't look competent, so it's like Swipe Left
13:58:30 <Halcyon> OK sure, but what was the underlying cause?
13:58:33 <DHess_US> It isn't clear what causes them. Some people get them and some people don't.
13:58:37 <Halcyon> Oh I see
13:58:48 <Halcyon> Hahaha, timely post by Dave there
13:58:53 <DHess_US> The only unusual thing about my case was getting admitted through the ER.
14:00:05 <alfbaz> They're pretty good here with that. ER is prob the most common way to get in
14:01:04 <alfbaz> If you go to your GP youll spend weeks going to appointments for tests
14:01:23 <alfbaz> finally reaulting in a referal to a specialist
14:01:49 <alfbaz> who then sends you for mor tests
14:02:10 <alfbaz> eventually you get surgery
14:03:08 <alfbaz> Once you are an "in patient" at the hospital, they have all the facilities there for all the tests
14:03:21 <alfbaz> so much, much quicker
14:04:06 <DHess_US> Also that was the only time I was conscious on the way to surgery. Earlier times I was unconscious from lack of blood or whatever.
14:04:54 <DHess_US> I told the surgeon that if he found an alien embryo inside of me to use his best judgement.
14:05:16 <DHess_US> I'm not sure he got it.
14:05:16 <Halcyon> Hahaha
14:05:31 <Halcyon> Either he thought you were mental health, or he didn't get the joke :P
14:06:28 <alfbaz> Im sure youd be singing a different tune if youd just finished watching that alien scene
14:06:48 <Halcyon> That scene always reminds me of the Fast Forward skit
14:07:07 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXo5Rb5BXew
14:07:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Full Frontal / Fast Forward - Alien Skit
14:08:12 <Halcyon> That quality is shit, I have all the episodes on my Plex server if you want access, it's the highest quality you'll find anywhere.
14:14:38 <steve30> i really must go out for shopping this week.
14:14:41 <steve30> *today
14:14:42 <alfbaz> I had never seen that one
14:14:46 <steve30> hopefully i won't get wet
14:16:39 <alfbaz> what's with the water Steve, raining?
14:16:52 <Halcyon> steve30 is basically a cat living in a human's body
14:17:04 <alfbaz> lol
14:19:25 <steve30> I don't like doing out in the rain
14:19:28 <steve30> my clothes get wet
14:21:25 <steve30> Halcyon, I meant to ask after watching that shoe repair video... DO you come across many people who drink Fosters?
14:23:42 <Halcyon> I don't know a single person who drinks Fosters
14:23:51 <alfbaz> Heaps drank it 35 to 40 year ago, it was on tap at most places. Today I havents seen a soul drink it and i doubt they have it at all behond the bar
14:25:24 <Halcyon> I don't know much about beer but I reckon Fosters would be considered a pretty crappy beer
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14:28:28 <alfbaz> yeah what would I know, I'm a VB drinking bogan :P
14:29:24 <alfbaz> as a matter of fact, I'd like one now :)
14:29:39 * Halcyon is a wine snob
14:30:36 <Halcyon> Oooft, I just changed energy providers... AGL are a HELL of a lot cheaper
14:31:03 <Halcyon> 16.73c/kWh for all times outside of 1600-2000hrs Mon-Fri
14:31:30 <alfbaz> Full of gas, i've found :P
14:32:53 <alfbaz> Do you reckon it will ever be mandatory for remote pwr usage monitoring
14:34:34 <Halcyon> *shrug*
14:35:06 <Halcyon> I have a battery system, so I do a full charge overnight, ready for the following day, then I run off the grid and solar until peak time, which is where the battery kicks in
14:35:21 <Halcyon> So essentially, I'm paying off-peak rates almost all the time
14:35:42 <steve30> I'd have liked to go for a battery system, but it would have cost too much
14:36:03 <Halcyon> steve30, the only reason I got it Steve was because the government here provide interest-free loans for solar/battery
14:36:11 <Halcyon> It literally pays for itself and then some
14:36:52 <DHess_US> How is the economics when you include battery replacement?
14:38:07 <steve30> I bought my system outright
14:38:22 <steve30> it probably would have cost twice as much with a battery system, although i reckon they'd be more affordablenow
14:38:48 <Halcyon> DHess_US, I'd have to do exact numbers, but it looks like for my system, I will have paid for it well within the warranty period.
14:39:15 <Halcyon> If I have to rip the entire system out and start again, it'll still be cheaper
14:39:29 <Halcyon> That being said, I have 10kWh's worth of solar system
14:40:49 <Halcyon> The battery is only 6.5kWh but it offsets almost all my usage during peak time
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16:09:12 <Watcher> Hello Guys
16:09:19 <Halcyon> Hey Watcher
16:09:21 <T3sl4> mornin
16:09:26 <Watcher> mornin
16:11:23 <Watcher> Halcyon, if you are chatting on this irc do you speak that assie english or do your change it for better understeanding for the not australians?
16:12:32 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Who would have thought that the UK would beat Australia. https://t.co/O6zon8xMXX
16:24:18 <Halcyon> Watcher, I speak how I speak in real life
16:26:23 <Halcyon> * I should say, I type how I speak in real life
16:34:12 <Halcyon> "Australian" English isn't actually that different. We conform to the UK way of spelling words, however we do have our own idiosyncrasies and slang.
16:40:15 <Watcher> bye bye
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16:40:42 <Halcyon> That was short and sweet
17:10:57 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/eHZrmgODnz8?t=253
17:10:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Amazing JAPANESE Street Food Tour of MIYAJIMA
17:11:09 <Halcyon> Such a gorgeous place and the deer are so cute
17:39:05 * T3sl4 bows at Halcyon, conking him on the head with a huge rack of antlers
17:39:15 <T3sl4> ...wait, that makes me sound like a fucking furry, scratch that
17:42:54 <Halcyon> Did I just catch you waking up T3sl4 ?
17:47:47 <T3sl4> no, i been up for a while
17:53:50 <Halcyon> Hmmmmm
17:53:51 <Halcyon> :P
18:05:57 <K> hello slippers
18:06:28 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pzvkscq4h8
18:06:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Gumballs In The Park
18:08:37 <Halcyon> Hey Ugg boot
18:10:37 <K> eew
18:10:48 <K> at least did not call me a croc
18:23:45 <T3sl4> hi kpop
18:41:39 <alfbaz> just got home, ticker is fine but no idea whats wrong with my upper back/shoulders
18:42:31 * T3sl4 rubs alfbaz
18:51:10 <Halcyon> alfbaz, do you need a massage?
18:51:37 <Halcyon> Where's my rub T3sl4 ?
18:51:59 <T3sl4> i guess electrohead's not up yet ;)
18:52:23 <Halcyon> Not yet, so you'll do
18:55:07 <steve30> Sounds like Boris Johnson has seen sense at last.
18:55:30 <steve30> I do wonder if the trade unions and others will try and bully him into extending the lockdown further though
19:02:39 <Halcyon> steve30, sounds like he has given up
19:02:53 <Halcyon> Everyone who gets seriously ill from this point is more or less on their own
19:03:00 <T3sl4> we can only hope?
19:03:19 <Halcyon> I don't disagree with him but at this point, he is pushing shit uphill and fighting a losing battle. Might as well hold your ankles and hope for the best.
19:04:12 <Halcyon> Well you guys have yet another mutation of the virus, which is even worse again. I dare say every other country will be banning those travelling from the UK. We'll wait to see what happens to you :P
19:06:04 <K> which mutation is that?
19:06:30 <steve30> steve30-variant :p
19:06:37 * steve30 meows :p
19:07:17 <Halcyon> They are calling it the "Lambda variant"
19:09:08 <Halcyon> Although to be fair, the British didn't invent it
19:09:18 <Halcyon> I think they just caught it from the rest of the peoples.
19:10:47 * T3sl4 dangles some cute fuzzy covid particles from a string, bobs them above steve30
19:11:26 <T3sl4> ala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmBj8r1-fDo
19:11:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Simpsons - Three Stooges Syndrome
19:11:41 * steve30 paws at the coronaviruses
19:11:54 <Halcyon> Hahahahaha
19:12:10 <Halcyon> Also, great Simpsons reference
19:12:45 <DogWomble> I'm kinda reminded of this
19:12:53 <DogWomble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g
19:12:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: My Corona by Chris Mann
19:13:11 <Halcyon> Oh that is so 1 year ago DogWomble :P
19:13:22 <DogWomble> :P
19:13:38 <DogWomble> well the resurgence has caused our toilet paper aisles to empty out again
19:13:45 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXv8FwLC1Rk
19:13:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Borat 2: Coronavirus & Democrats
19:13:53 <Halcyon> You Canberrans :P
19:13:59 <Halcyon> Such a weird bunch
19:14:00 <DogWomble> luckiyl i've been bulk buying toilet paper since before bulk buying toilet paper was cool
19:14:20 <steve30> Verify your age
19:14:21 <steve30> Complete a brief check to show you're old enough to watch this video.
19:14:37 <T3sl4> i read that as "cranberras"
19:14:42 <steve30> DogWomble, same here, i had a cupboard full of toilet paper while everyone else had a shortage :)
19:14:57 <DogWomble> yeah i think i got you onto the same stuff i use :)
19:15:17 <DogWomble> i had my latest delivery a week before everything ex;pded so i was right :P
19:15:34 * steve30 is cooking a chicken kiev
19:15:43 <DogWomble> i just don't get why it's fucking toilet paper - it's a respratory illness, it doesn't give you the shits for a decade
19:16:03 <T3sl4> on a related note, i just got some chicken out of the oven
19:16:10 <steve30> yum
19:16:27 <T3sl4> leg quarters, marinaded a bit
19:17:33 * Halcyon stares at steve30's kiev
19:19:41 * T3sl4 pours on some Russian dressing, annexing steve30's chicken
19:21:36 <DogWomble> What's the Russian's name?
19:22:25 * steve30 got moistened by a rain shower on his way to the shops
19:23:51 <T3sl4> steve30 do any singing? :P
19:24:24 <steve30> nope
19:24:30 <Halcyon> What did you get steve30 ?
19:24:37 <steve30> food
19:24:44 <Halcyon> Anything good?
19:24:54 * Halcyon goes through steve30's bags
19:25:01 <steve30> pie, sausages, coffee, biscuits, paneer, fish cakes
19:25:10 <Halcyon> All good things
19:36:05 <Halcyon> I've made the mistake of looking at grilled cheese sandwiches
19:36:06 <T3sl4> hmm, i need to go start some rice, so i have something to enjoy my newfound chicken on
19:43:38 <Lemon> ayeee the wiha kit got damaged during transport, and its going back to amazon
19:43:40 <Lemon> yeyyyy
19:43:47 <Halcyon> Hooray!
19:43:51 <Halcyon> Adventures!
19:44:11 <Lemon> first time it ever happen for me !
19:44:16 <Lemon> after hundreds of orders on amazon
19:44:32 <Halcyon> The courier lost my delivery of toilet paper
19:44:44 <Halcyon> Lucky I have a spare 48 rolls
19:44:57 <Lemon> oooff
19:45:05 <Lemon> well yes courrier themselves, shit happens often
19:45:14 <Lemon> but internally with amazon like that ? uncommon
19:45:21 <Lemon> usually, shit comes destroyed and you have to cry
19:45:46 <Lemon> well its not too bad, I asked for a refund so it goes faster and ordered it again
19:45:50 * T3sl4 gives Lemon some nice sunshine
19:46:01 <Lemon> it burrnnnnsssss
19:46:12 <Halcyon> Give it here T3sl4
19:46:21 <Halcyon> I am sick of single-digit temperatures
19:47:38 <T3sl4> send it here plz
19:57:26 <Halcyon> Stupid climate change, making shit colder
19:57:43 <Halcyon> Or is it hotter, I can never keep track of which is the flavour of the month
19:59:47 <Halcyon> Awwwww cute dog: https://youtu.be/S6AKDODgLwU?t=281
19:59:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Modified Mac and Cheese - You Suck at Cooking (episode 53)
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20:09:07 <steve30> "Fall in dog attacks against postal workers during pandemic"
20:09:12 <steve30> in yesterday's news
20:11:24 <Halcyon> Does anyone else want a quick online game of Cards Against Humanity?
20:11:37 <T3sl4> sure what the hell
20:11:42 <T3sl4> discord?
20:12:01 <Halcyon> Yes
20:12:30 <T3sl4> damn discord, 1 update to do 5 updates
20:12:37 <Halcyon> Hahah no rush
20:13:19 <T3sl4> there we go
20:13:34 <Halcyon> Join the streamer chat
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20:33:51 <hsn> https://youtu.be/rwwU4_VUx1A
20:33:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: RAW: Sheriff plays Taylor Swift to speak to protesters
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20:35:01 <hsn> These are annoying protesters
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20:58:39 <Ampera> Good morning
20:59:57 <K> no u
21:00:18 <Halcyon> Ampera, wanna do a game of CAH ?
21:00:24 <Ampera> fuck no
21:00:30 <Halcyon> T3sl4 is actually playing for a change
21:00:38 * T3sl4 licks Ampera
21:00:48 <Ampera> I just woke up
21:01:43 <T3sl4> mornin
21:02:11 * Halcyon slaps Ampera like a fist full of black coffee
21:02:33 <Ampera> I'd be more interested in Xonotic or UT99, but you suck at those games too bad to play.
21:02:53 <Halcyon> You suck
21:03:01 <Halcyon> And not very well *grumbles*
21:03:12 <Ampera> suck bad, blow well
21:03:24 <Halcyon> You shouldn't "blow"
21:03:32 <Halcyon> Slightly negative pressure is the key
21:04:25 <Ampera> no, the point is to get someone with a large lung capacity, and blow up the guy like a party balloon.
21:04:52 <Ampera> that's why long dicks are preferential, it makes it easier to tie it off
21:05:15 <T3sl4> were we going to play xonotic btw?
21:06:21 <Ampera> Probably not right now, but if there is interest I'll set the server back up
21:07:52 <T3sl4> i installed that but we never played
21:07:54 <T3sl4> it looks find
21:07:55 <T3sl4> fine
21:08:05 <Halcyon> What's xon..... ?
21:08:35 <Ampera> you played it and hated it already, Halcyon
21:08:40 <Halcyon> Oh that one
21:08:41 <Halcyon> Yeh
21:08:44 <Halcyon> Boring
21:08:46 <Ampera> T3sl4, It's quite fun.
21:08:51 <T3sl4> the newer open source quake 3
21:08:59 <Ampera> I also have UT99 if anyone would ever be interested in that, I'd just have to set that up
21:09:05 <Ampera> we've played that on sparse occasion on the other channel
21:09:42 <Halcyon> I still want to play SimCity 2000 Network Edition
21:09:50 <T3sl4> don't have 99 but do have the original unreal
21:09:59 * T3sl4 Glides Ampera's eyes
21:10:41 <Ampera> Xonotic is the nice option because it's completely free
21:12:08 <Ampera> UT99, however, has the far superior modding community
21:16:01 <T3sl4> it was eventually modded into Antichamber, sorta
21:16:52 <Ampera> Huh?
21:17:02 <Ampera> It looks like that game was built off UTE3
21:17:06 <Ampera> er, UE3
21:17:17 <T3sl4> IIRC it started on either 99 or 2k3
21:18:19 <T3sl4> there's a good game dev video on its origins
21:18:56 <Ampera> I don't know them, so
21:18:57 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:19:20 * Halcyon licks Ampera
21:19:38 * Ampera fires at Halcyon randomly with a cap gun
21:19:47 <Halcyon> Ohhh the noises
21:35:44 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIC7B3vt9ZE
21:35:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Lime Light
21:35:49 <Halcyon> That's really impressive
21:36:04 <Halcyon> I knew about the history but I had no idea it was so bright and stable
21:36:08 <Halcyon> "Stable"
21:45:52 * T3sl4 whinnys at Halcyon
21:55:26 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Sometimes, shit happens, someone has to deal with it, and who ya gonna call? https://t.co/FNdBdIMEM2 https://t.co/fJnCW6cp1s
22:08:42 <electrohead> o/
22:11:03 <T3sl4> Halcyon was looking for you, he needs a rub
22:16:40 <electrohead> did you do it for him?
22:20:26 * Ampera gets out the power-fister 9000 drill attachment, jackhammers steve30's back
22:21:35 <T3sl4> nope... i was saving him for you
22:22:06 <electrohead> :P
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23:20:34 <Ampera> good lord, apparently Samsung is working on a 200MP sensor intended for smartphones
23:20:51 <T3sl4> so, a CCD instead of a OLED
23:21:06 <Ampera> I know they do pixel "binning", but that seriously can't be as effective as simply having a stronger charge in a larger cell with more light
23:21:49 <Ampera> My phone has a 108MP sensor, and it's nothing more than a gimmick and I guess a way for Samsung to pull their own dicks.
23:22:09 <T3sl4> is it wavefront shit to do more with digital focus and 3D?
23:22:11 <Ampera> Brilliant in well lit outdoors, pretty pathetic in anything low light.
23:22:24 <Ampera> I have no clue
23:22:26 <T3sl4> surely they mean "pixel" as "a light sensor", of any color
23:22:57 <Ampera> the 108MP sensor is actually 108MP, you can take a full resolution picture (I forget the exact resolution)
23:24:08 <Ampera> 9000x12000
23:24:09 <K> something about refreaction becoming nasty in such small beyers and lenses iirc
23:24:32 <Ampera> which equals exactly 108,000,000
23:24:44 <K> hence need for lots of processing and mediocre dr
23:24:58 <T3sl4> they can claim infinite pixels if they just neural network upscale it
23:25:08 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:25:08 <K> they probably do
23:25:11 <Ampera> I don't fucking know
23:25:18 <Ampera> all I know is I'm never buying a Samsung phone again
23:25:28 <T3sl4> my s7 the pixels look terrible
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23:25:50 <T3sl4> like, it's a waste of a JPEG because everything that's inside the compressed block is just noise, no actual image information
23:26:04 <T3sl4> with today's image sizes you need a recursive JPEG
23:26:12 <Ampera> I think that's what pisses me off the most about phone cameras.
23:26:17 * steve30 pets his 15MP camera
23:26:20 <Ampera> There is no means to have a processed lossless output
23:26:42 <Ampera> I guess if you crank the resolution enough it starts to become meaningless anyways
23:26:51 <T3sl4> i think the s7 also does some weird piecewise distortion correction, and ends up making the image look a bit hyperbolic, and unevenly so
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23:27:07 <Ampera> I have an N20U, and it has a decent camera system
23:27:08 * K pets his 10MP and 85/1.2 lens too
23:27:13 <Ampera> it's at least way better than my 1+8 Pro
23:27:24 <Ampera> which could record in 4K, for 5 minutes at a time
23:27:30 <Ampera> which is just nonsense
23:27:42 <T3sl4> the camera i think is probably better than the 3MP digital camera i had, years ago
23:28:06 <T3sl4> but that had sensible images, and optical resolution comparable to pixel size; these don't, and can't
23:28:09 * steve30 has a Canon EOS 500D.
23:28:10 <K> can upload direcrly to instagram!
23:28:14 <steve30> I've had that a few years now.
23:28:19 <Ampera> Honestly, there are some 2MP cameras around that can be /great/ examples of why sensor doesn't mean everything
23:28:21 <T3sl4> steve30: had a S1 IS
23:28:55 <Ampera> For me, I don't care about good photos, I care about photos that exist over ones that wouldn't
23:30:43 <T3sl4> i'll certainly take a camera over none
23:34:47 <K> i'd take money.
23:35:06 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEWgwRrY9s
23:35:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Simpsons - Three Kids No Money
23:35:12 * Ampera buys K, places him with the rest of the collection
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera.... you're going to be the biggest pig bottom one day :P
23:36:59 <Ampera> Every day sexual deviants make up new terms, and every day, they try to use them on me.
23:36:59 <Ampera> I don't get it.
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Pig bottom is not new
23:36:59 <Ampera> It is by me.
23:36:59 <Halcyon> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pig%20bottom
23:36:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - Urban Dictionary: pig bottom
23:36:59 <Ampera> I prefer power bottom, however.
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Same same
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Goodnight
23:36:59 <Ampera> Anal is a sin though
23:36:59 <Halcyon> But fucking fun :P
23:36:59 <Ampera> Sins often are, that's why there are sin taxes. That's also why programming is so fun.
23:36:59 <Ampera> What I really mean, whenever someone sticks a dick in an ass, there should be a tax for that.
23:36:59 <steve30> do prostitutes pay tax?
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Sure do
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Sex worker is a drop down option on our tax returns
23:36:59 <steve30> cool
23:36:59 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to bed
23:36:59 <steve30> will you be doing anything in bed?
23:36:59 <steve30> :p
23:36:59 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajaj7PoAFPA
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23:36:59 <Ysjoelfir> eevbot time Halcyon
23:36:59 <EEVBot> It is currently 2021/07/02 22:34:43 where Halcyon resides.
23:36:59 <Ysjoelfir> hmm, ok, I allow that. good night Halcyon
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23:37:00 <K> :|
23:37:19 <K> typical american capitalist, thinks money can buy everything
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