// #eevblog — 2020-09-14
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00:00:26 <hsn> ah rust_collector how the hell u know
00:00:43 <rust_collector> this is my area. remote destruction
00:01:02 <rust_collector> also local destruction
00:01:26 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/AJtda3igG6sY5T3v5
00:01:48 <rust_collector> isn't that weird?
00:03:11 <hsn> how so
00:05:07 <hsn> and now i told me boss that the controller felt unprotected and i suspect somthing touched the wires
00:05:27 <hsn> he is like . oh it suffered impact .. how it will survive vibration?
00:05:38 <Ysjoelfir> argh :D
00:05:51 <hsn> xD
00:06:02 <hsn> Ysjoelfir its fun
00:06:25 <hsn> u can feel u r the expert in this company even if u r dumb..
00:06:30 <hsn> if u knw what i mean
00:06:44 <Ysjoelfir> yep
00:07:09 <hsn> so what u say scrap it
00:07:25 <hsn> or go and look for samd21ja somewhere
00:07:25 <Ysjoelfir> just change the controller?
00:07:38 <hsn> i ve to order it on digikey
00:07:50 <Ysjoelfir> cool :)
00:07:51 <hsn> wont be available in bahrain ..
00:07:57 <Ysjoelfir> I like ordering stuff
00:08:09 <hsn> cool
00:08:22 <hsn> anyway i put swdio on wrong pin
00:08:28 <Ysjoelfir> :O
00:08:30 <hsn> and now i cant program them
00:08:32 <hsn> lol
00:08:34 <Ysjoelfir> why do you do that
00:08:35 <Ysjoelfir> lol
00:08:43 <hsn> will in my defence ..
00:08:46 <rust_collector> here is my fancy testing setup: https://imgur.com/a/Fe4io2g
00:09:15 <Ysjoelfir> nice and warm :)
00:09:33 <rust_collector> yep. should be good this winter
00:10:05 <hsn> the table had (pa30 pa31 pb30) and i dumbly connected pb30 pin as pa30
00:10:56 <rust_collector> well, time to go wrestle a chevy smallblock... have fun
00:12:18 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, or maybe
00:12:52 <hsn> i miss read it here
00:12:54 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/uK9Stb.jpg
00:13:06 <hsn> as its above the pa31 .. :(
00:13:14 <Ysjoelfir> argh :D
00:13:22 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, enjoy :)
00:13:34 <hsn> rust_collector, this thing is ... accurate?
00:14:29 <hsn> and worst . pa30 has no pad track ..
00:14:39 <hsn> u know how hard for fat boy to solder tiny stuff
00:14:42 <hsn> :D
00:17:42 <Ysjoelfir> xD
00:20:37 <hsn> ah hand sanitizer works pretty good to clean solder flux
00:20:51 <Ysjoelfir> sure, its probably mostly alcohol
00:21:55 <hsn> i love my peach smelling pcb that dkesnt work
00:21:57 <hsn> lol
00:32:06 <Ysjoelfir> XD
00:32:25 <electrohead> https://github.com/tenderlove/analog-terminal-bell
00:32:36 <electrohead> so cool, haha
00:33:42 <Ampera> morning
00:33:45 * Ampera says hi to electrohead
00:37:12 <hsn> hi says ampera to electrohead
00:37:43 * Ampera takes hsn, rips his limbs off, and puts his legs where his arms were, and his arms where his legs were
00:38:25 <hsn> until all protons fall ?
02:33:42 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
03:20:46 <rust_collector> hsn, I have no idea. I guess it is sort of close-ish
03:21:29 <rust_collector> I do not have anything to compare it to?
03:30:20 <hsn> [20:30] (rust_collector) [13:20:45] hsn, I have no idea. I guess it is sort of close-ish
03:30:24 <hsn> what?
03:30:45 <hsn> oh the temperature thingu
03:30:52 <hsn> y
03:31:29 <rust_collector> i assume so
03:37:08 <rust_collector> so, who needs a chevy 305 with rod knock???
03:37:12 <rust_collector> Yes, no one
03:37:31 <Ysjoelfir> i would take it without knocking rods?
03:38:08 <rust_collector> you said it sounds boring...
03:38:14 <Ysjoelfir> true
03:38:28 <rust_collector> I can take the bad rod out, they run nice enough on 7
03:38:39 <Ysjoelfir> :P
03:40:43 <rust_collector> I am not completely sure it is rod knock. it could be the pushrod for the fuel pump. it is in that area.
03:42:10 <rust_collector> but I feel it is a rod bearing
03:42:35 <Ysjoelfir> why not fix that?
03:42:55 <rust_collector> maybe we will. it depends on the damage
03:43:41 <rust_collector> I told him to get the boat on land first, then we can see. the thing is below water, so I do not really want to take any hoses off yet
03:44:16 <Ysjoelfir> that could be nasty :D
03:44:32 <rust_collector> well, he could have idiot insurance...
03:46:11 <rust_collector> We did consider loading it up with dynamite and just sending it out on the water...
03:48:00 <rust_collector> but the 305 is a little bit small for that boat. we will probably end up replacing it with a 350 or 383
03:48:22 <rust_collector> I think that would just be better
04:02:30 <rust_collector> but NOW is time to assemble dinner
04:25:32 <Ysjoelfir> I would.... kind of love to have a boat. but I'm missing a lake to use it
04:29:57 <rust_collector> you have rivers and canals?
04:31:32 <rust_collector> now that I was given a boat (that I have not even picked up yet) I think I am at the top of my boatness. I think it is an 8 or 10 foot thing, with a tiny little 3.5hp sukuki
04:32:21 <rust_collector> I would probably want something closer to 15, but this one is good, as I can just throw it on the little trailer, and go
04:32:56 <rust_collector> If I end up going to pick it up some day
04:34:19 <rust_collector> hmm, so this was also a kind of food. onion, carrot, meat, tomato, and corn flakes, served with pasta
04:36:49 <rust_collector> well, and salt vegeta (salt) black pepper, cayenne pepper, garlic, garlic powder, paprika powder. butter with a bit of sweetened with something mustard
04:37:26 <rust_collector> it could have been worse
04:41:37 <Ysjoelfir> well, but I don't have a boat drivers license. so even if I would have a boat and could somehow get that thing into a water thats big enough to... drive? ride?.. move arount in it in a boat, I would not be allowed to.
04:41:43 <Ysjoelfir> also, food sounds pretty nice :D
04:43:52 <rust_collector> hmm. we do not need a license for small boats up here. you have to be old enough, I think, but that is it. i think the law says you can have an x foot boat, with a 9.9hp engine, until you are 16. then you can get a real boat
04:43:53 <electrohead> hey Ampera
04:44:08 <electrohead> long delay, I know
04:44:12 <electrohead> :p
04:46:06 <rust_collector> I did get my license, and that is ok up to 36 "register tons" whatever that is
04:48:32 <rust_collector> ok, you can have a boat of up to 8 meters, and 25 hp, without a license
04:50:41 <rust_collector> but as I am born before 1980, I do not need it at all...haha
05:07:36 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty big :D
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05:13:34 <rust_collector> as far as I can tell, from mr google, you can have any boat under 15m down there
05:13:43 <rust_collector> as long as it has less than 4hp
05:14:03 Quit: qeed ([email protected]) Client exited
05:16:35 <rust_collector> https://www.industriedenkmal.de/huttenwerke/huttenwerke-in-belgien/cockerill-sambre-in-liege-luettich/
05:21:51 <rust_collector> I wonder how many inches of pipe they used to make that
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05:38:45 <electrohead> that's what she said
05:38:51 <electrohead> I mean
05:38:53 <electrohead> haha
05:39:30 <rust_collector> uhm, ok
05:39:38 <rust_collector> say hi to she
05:40:10 <electrohead> ok
06:08:12 <rust_collector> hmm, what week is it? 38?
06:14:44 <rust_collector> ?? https://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Boric-Acid-H3BO3-Purity-99-9-High-Grade-Free-Flowing-Powder-suppositories/392292087652?hash=item5b566e3764:g:tEcAAOSwLVhc0LUX
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06:32:19 <Ysjoelfir> what the? :D
06:32:58 <rust_collector> mmhmm
06:40:17 <rust_collector> I have an idea....
06:40:19 <rust_collector> no
06:44:19 <coppice> rust_collector: isn't 9.9hp extremely low for a boat engine? It takes a lot of power (and fuel) to push a boat at any reasonable speed, even though a person can get a huge boat moving at a slow pace, without any motorised assistance
06:47:29 <rust_collector> they are sort of slow, yes. it was a classic thing here to buy a 9.9, and remove some limiter things, and have a 15hp, which most of them tended to be. but yes, not exactly fast, but they are enough to go places
06:48:34 <rust_collector> we used to have those 15hp engines on a 10 or so foot boat, and it does feel fast, until some cargo ship pass you like you are standing still
06:49:33 <rust_collector> But if you can get the boat... uhm.."up" so it more or less skip on top of the water, they do pretty ok
06:49:38 <Ysjoelfir> I immagine that being kind of a "wtf...?" moment
06:50:14 <rust_collector> nah, it is just how it is. and probably why most kids do not go close to cargo ships
06:50:55 <rust_collector> it is just too embarrasing when your tiny race boat gets parked by an old fishing boat
06:51:53 <rust_collector> but yes, I was wrong, the 9.9hp thing is for people younger than 16
06:52:21 <Ysjoelfir> XD
06:53:40 <rust_collector> the boat I used to go fishing with grandpa in , was a very heavy homemade thing, but it did move well enough with a 9.8hp mercury. i am not sure why, but mercury had a 9.8, when everyone else had 9.9
06:54:08 <rust_collector> not exactly fun and exciting, but it did its job
06:54:32 <Ysjoelfir> it probably would explode when they would have made it 100ml bigger
06:55:34 <rust_collector> the engine itself was very very reliable, but the axle going down to the propeller did rust away pretty bad on those
06:56:41 <rust_collector> and cast aluminium(and random metal) with steel bolts are not fun to get apart, and especially not back together, after a few years in salt water
06:57:40 <Ysjoelfir> who could have thought :D
06:57:46 <rust_collector> i had an idea about getting a broken outboard, and just putting a lawnmower engine on it. that would be noisy and slow...
06:57:56 <rust_collector> but at least cheap
07:00:14 <rust_collector> hmm. Now I wonder how bad it would be to build a propeller shaft into that little boat... maybe use a snowblower engine... it sounds like a waste of time, but it could be fun
07:01:59 <Ysjoelfir> that could indeed be a fun project
07:02:14 <Ysjoelfir> or grab a motor of an old bmw motorcycle. those boxers are cool
07:02:29 <rust_collector> uuh. errrr.... mmmhhh
07:04:38 <rust_collector> if I had to do something like that... I think I would just put a nice little baby commins in it
07:04:44 <rust_collector> cummins
07:05:02 <rust_collector> it would perhaps not float, but
07:05:26 <Ysjoelfir> :P
07:09:11 <rust_collector> I am not sure why exactly, but I dislike outboard motors. they do sort of work most of the time...
07:09:35 <rust_collector> and they do not require a hole in the bottom of the boat, which makes a lot of sense
07:13:25 <rust_collector> otoh, I also enjoy being on land.
07:13:26 <Ysjoelfir> nah. holes in boards are a great thing!
07:13:55 <Ysjoelfir> *boats
07:15:18 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyziAwU-gHs
07:16:23 <Ysjoelfir> hah, have seen thos one. :D
07:16:39 <rust_collector> I almost like that one, lol
07:16:39 <hsn> boght me
07:16:40 <Ysjoelfir> hm, I should go to bed. but at the same time I'm hungry
07:16:59 <hsn> i should sleep but i hate sleeping
07:16:59 <rust_collector> snack in bed is not always wrong
07:17:24 <rust_collector> sleeping is niiiice
07:17:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
07:17:34 <hsn> not for time
07:17:38 <rust_collector> but it takes a lot of time
07:17:51 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, I think I decided for a SAM
07:17:59 <hsn> u get -7 hours lost every fcking day
07:18:05 <rust_collector> but... I have kids, they can do what I don't have time to do
07:18:14 <Ysjoelfir> nice, isn't it?
07:18:26 <hsn> Ysjoelfir i think good choice
07:18:53 <rust_collector> it is wrong, but yes, good choice
07:19:01 <hsn> rust_collector how many kids
07:19:06 <hsn> rust_collector lol
07:19:20 <rust_collector> almost enough to make up for sleeping avery few days
07:19:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir he means its the good wrong
07:19:26 <Ysjoelfir> I will choose ATSAME53J18A, ATSAMD21J15B and ATSAMC21J18A
07:20:45 <hsn> m4f is m4 with floating what ever?
07:21:01 <hsn> yeah its
07:21:07 <hsn> fpu
07:21:27 <rust_collector> it is the ones made when the vacuum chamber was not working, so they have air bubbles inside, so yes they float
07:21:32 <Ysjoelfir> no idea, but that one has ethernet. I will get three as I will do a kind of experiment board to learn how to work with those
07:21:40 <Ysjoelfir> lol
07:23:17 <hsn> so can u do .. hmm all in one board that u can break ur self ? it will be cheap?
07:23:54 <hsn> or they wont allow it? :D
07:24:21 <rust_collector> I do not think she will be too worried about it
07:24:51 <Ampera> potato
07:24:57 <rust_collector> HEY!
07:25:00 * T3sl4 sneaks up behind Ysjoelfir, taps on his shoulder opposite the side he's standing on
07:25:12 <hsn> it also has can fd? this new CAN for automotive industry i think?
07:25:18 <T3sl4> Ampera: i just ate some, too
07:25:24 <Ysjoelfir> huh?
07:25:29 * Ysjoelfir finds nothing
07:25:35 <T3sl4> :D
07:25:51 * hsn Ysjoelfir it was me .. showing from the side he is looking for
07:26:10 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - I want them to be able to interact with each other :D so no need for breaking
07:26:14 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
07:26:35 <T3sl4> it's called CAN bus, not CAN'T bus
07:27:17 <Ysjoelfir> yep, one of the small ones has CAN, the other USB, the big one ethernet
07:27:49 <rust_collector> bmw uses their own version, and most of the time it is a MIGHT bus
07:28:03 <hsn> the big one ethernet and can-fd i mean
07:28:07 <rust_collector> or a PERHAPS bus
07:28:14 <Ysjoelfir> I should do a CAN version myself and call it SHITE bus
07:28:27 <hsn> cai bus
07:28:28 <rust_collector> sure
07:28:35 <rust_collector> hippy bus
07:29:09 <rust_collector> programmed in an organic language
07:29:10 * T3sl4 rusts a volkswagen
07:29:28 <rust_collector> thanks. I will go pee on it later
07:29:37 <Ampera> why are you people like this
07:29:53 <hsn> if u zap volkswagon.. will it rust?
07:29:58 <rust_collector> because we are not sleeping yes
07:30:14 <T3sl4> hsn: pretty sure they rust if you look at them wrong
07:31:00 <rust_collector> they have changed a lot in the last 20 years... now they only rust a lot in the places you can see
07:31:08 <hsn> aka envy look? T3sl4
07:31:31 <hsn> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_mad_woman-Theodore_Gericault-MBA_Lyon_B825-IMG_0477.jpg
07:32:07 <T3sl4> sure
07:33:10 <rust_collector> ok, I am going to bed. have fun or something
07:33:10 <hsn> do u guys have this believes?
07:33:21 <Ysjoelfir> I follow rusty. gn8 all
07:33:28 <rust_collector> what believes?
07:33:29 <hsn> the "envy eye" that destroys stuff?
07:33:33 <rust_collector> no
07:33:48 <rust_collector> good night
07:34:00 <hsn> ok i shouls send u one of our strong eye ppl
07:34:04 <hsn> gn
07:34:50 <T3sl4> we don't believe much of anything, well, it depends who you ask
07:34:51 <hsn> he will say : "oh nice truck rusty" .. 2 hours later the truck is on scrap yard ..
07:35:14 <T3sl4> we aren't very superstitious as a rule, but stuff like that still sits around as cultural heritage and some people give it more weight than others
07:35:16 <hsn> T3sl4 ^ do u have this sort of ppl?
07:35:20 <T3sl4> so yes
07:35:42 <hsn> yes ofc .. im not talking about that overweight
07:35:45 <hsn> thingy
07:36:04 <T3sl4> the most common superstition is the christian flavored "oh no, that's terrible, i'll pray for you" thing, in other words, i'll go out of my way to do nothing while you suffer etc
07:36:14 <hsn> im talking about legends who really have tons of destroying stuff stories haha
07:38:20 <T3sl4> a friend says he can destroy any computer just by touching it. apparently he's had magnificent luck in activating obscure glitches in e.g. Windows, other software, just from using it in no obviously-wrong way
07:45:51 <hsn> no no
07:47:35 <hsn> we get very few ppl that "envy" .. and if he tells u .. "oh nice car" .. its like deep down he isnt wishing u good .. and after some time .. ur car will have an accident ..
07:48:23 <hsn> im talking about guy that has lots of this .. not just random coinsedence
07:52:30 <T3sl4> the paradox of the beater car: no one will ever tell you it's nice, therefore it will continue rusting away until dying a natural death
07:52:57 <T3sl4> on a related note, i'm still not sure why my car still runs, but it just keeps on continuing to work, so...
07:53:23 <hsn> did u see bob pease car?
07:56:01 <hsn> maybe u shield its high frequency errors T3sl4?
07:56:07 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5zGweMpZ39U8WJe7 like this
07:56:14 * Ampera uploads virtual insanity into T3sl4's brain
07:56:31 * T3sl4 downloads physical insanity from Ampera's brain
07:57:11 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UMxWrwPeto
07:59:44 <T3sl4> nice thing about an older car is the ECU errors are for the most part very simple
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08:00:14 <T3sl4> though i've got an intermittent error from the distributor position sensor, which i'm not sure how to investigate
08:03:44 <coppice> T3sl4: a problem with new cars is they are so complex its often hard to distinguish a fault from a feature
08:04:00 * T3sl4 nod
08:06:30 <coppice> The last oddity I had on my car required a discussion in an owners group to flush out the page in the manual that describes what happens and why. Amongst many owners only one seemed aware of this
08:07:42 <T3sl4> RTFM is for losers
08:08:22 <coppice> I had actually resorted to RTFM, but the relevant description was on a non-obvious page
08:09:18 <T3sl4> love it when that happens
08:16:24 <coppice> they do make some odd design choices. If I turn off the ignition the windows and sunroof won't operate. If I get out of the car, touch the pad that locks the car and hold it for several seconds, the roof, sunshade, windows and tailgate will all shut
08:24:04 <T3sl4> interestingly mine has a grace period after turn off, where windows still operate
08:24:18 <T3sl4> it turns off the headlights automatically too, in case i forget to turn them off
08:51:25 <Ampera> the only thing weird about my car is how it has overdrive
08:51:32 <Ampera> which is something GM made up to do with their transmissions
08:52:04 <Ampera> and presumably to make a 93 buick sound real fucking impressive at a part full of people who don't know shit about cars
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09:41:20 <Nothing\> virtual insanity will be a real thing one of these days
09:41:58 <Nothing\> people worry about using exploits, like using lasers to unlock a house with a smart lock and shit like that
09:42:27 <Nothing\> what happens when brain/body implants become the norm for the non-medical sector and people start figuring out exploits with them
09:43:17 <Nothing\> it'll be like that scene in rick and morty where rick tries to board a flight but they find he has illegal implants, so the airline disables them. which basically turns rick into a retarded child.
09:44:01 <Nothing\> actually that begs the question. does that mean rick's only "the smartest man in the universe" because of his implants?
09:59:29 <Nothing\> holy crap. apparently the first CG episode of vegetales came out in 1993
09:59:49 <Nothing\> that's pretty insane considering it was fully cg and 2 years before toy story
10:22:24 * Halcyon coffee's all over T3sl4
10:22:40 <Halcyon> Morning Ampera
10:33:44 <Ampera> hello Halcyon
10:33:45 <Ampera> call?
10:33:54 <Halcyon> Sure
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11:10:55 <Nothing\> i dunno if i trust this kill-a-watt
11:11:21 <Nothing\> so far it says my computer only draws 100 watts or so
11:11:33 <Nothing\> did the same with my other computer too
11:14:54 * Ampera kisses Nothing\
11:15:02 <Ampera> <3 <3 <3
11:15:12 <coppice> if its a genuine kill-a-watt, they are pretty accurate. of course, they can be faulty
11:15:18 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3 hey buddy
11:15:33 <Ampera> hi Nothing\ how are you doing
11:15:36 <Nothing\> i got this one on amazon so i wouldn't expect anything funny
11:15:42 <Nothing\> was shipped right from toronto i think
11:15:46 <Ampera> that's not a good metric
11:15:49 <Nothing\> i'm doing pretty good
11:15:49 <Ampera> amazon sells a lot of crap
11:15:54 <Nothing\> that they do
11:16:07 <Nothing\> in fact they were just accused of price gouging covid related supplied
11:16:11 <coppice> I wasn't really thinking of fakes. kill-a-watt has become a name like hoover to a lot of people
11:16:11 <Nothing\> supplies
11:16:35 <Nothing\> i wopuld have loved to get a HOPI but there were none with american plugs
11:16:40 <Ampera> coppice, I'm gonna name my first born child hoover
11:16:42 <Nothing\> i don't think they exist with american plugs
11:16:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, my mum and i named a chipmunk outside hoover
11:17:00 <coppice> Ampera: dam, that's a interesting name
11:17:11 <Nothing\> cuz he looked just like a hoover sucking up the seed we threw him
11:17:53 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Integrity_Project https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7013152-Preventing-a-Disrupted-Presidential-Election-and.html#document/p1
11:19:03 <Ampera> DHess_US, I'll believe it when I see it
11:19:19 <Ampera> say what you want about Trump, we've had shitbag presidents before
11:19:49 <Nothing\> DHess_US, are you related to rudolph hess?
11:20:14 <DHess_US> Nothing\, you mean uncle Rudy?
11:20:19 <Nothing\> lol
11:20:27 <Nothing\> he was the last prisoner from nuremburg
11:20:30 <Ampera> and to be honest, I doubt how "bipartisan" that group actually is
11:20:34 <Nothing\> the last one alive
11:20:42 <Nothing\> or something like that
11:20:43 <Ampera> sounds like a great partisan ploy to do the exact thing they're afraid Trump is gonna do
11:20:51 <Ampera> but "federalize the national guard" is a good one
11:20:56 <DHess_US> Yes, I know who he is. That is the standard family answer and no, no relation that I am aware of.
11:21:13 <coppice> Ampera: it may have people from both parties, but they are all trump haters
11:21:18 <Nothing\> mark felton did a good video on him
11:21:29 <DHess_US> All of my ancestors were in north America considerably before WW2.
11:21:31 <Nothing\> but it'll be a cold day in hell before mark felton makes a bad video
11:21:48 <Nothing\> DHess_US, my maternal ancestry came from germany as well
11:21:55 <Nothing\> i'm the first generation of canadians
11:22:01 <DHess_US> Ampera, I found the document and dug up its authenticity. It makes for interesting reading.
11:22:21 <Ampera> what I find most hilarious is however afraid people are about Trump fucking with the election, the democrats have done the exact same thing in their own primaries
11:22:30 <DHess_US> Yea, both of my grandparents and probably more came down out of Canada.
11:22:39 <DHess_US> So I'm 2/3rd German.
11:22:46 <Nothing\> i still have family in germany
11:22:54 <Ampera> Biden represents far more than Trump a complete disregard of democratic voting
11:22:54 <Nothing\> and peru, for reasons that are beyond me
11:22:55 <DHess_US> The rest is English, Spanish, and American Indian.
11:22:58 <Nothing\> as well as calgary
11:23:12 <Nothing\> i dunno where calgary and peru came into the picture
11:23:12 <DHess_US> I've been told I have cousins in Germany.
11:23:19 <Nothing\> i'm a bit shady on my family history
11:23:36 <Nothing\> like my grandfather was born in yugoslavia, but was moved to germany during the war
11:23:44 <Nothing\> but we're still considered germany
11:23:46 <coppice> Ampera: names are chosen to obscure, not illuminate. these people call themselves "democrats"
11:23:46 <Nothing\> german
11:23:51 <Nothing\> but his sister was hungarian
11:23:54 <DHess_US> Ampera, I agree. So far the only threats have come from representatives of the DNC and various Democrats.
11:24:36 <Nothing\> er sorry, my grandfather lived in czecheslovakia
11:24:41 <Ampera> our voting system is so fucked up I don't even know how it'd ever get fixed
11:24:43 <Nothing\> my grandmother lived in yugoslavia
11:24:53 <Ampera> nobody seems intent on fixing it, just cheating the system so it benefits them
11:24:57 <DHess_US> Like Hillary's statement about Biden not conceding under any circumstances, and the threats made about continuing violence if Trump wins.
11:24:59 <Ampera> but maybe that's just politics
11:25:06 <coppice> Ampera: Gerry Mander will save the day
11:25:07 <Ampera> haha
11:25:16 <DHess_US> <Ampera> our voting system is so fucked up I don't even know how it'd ever get fixed
11:25:20 <DHess_US> I've said that for decades.
11:25:29 <Ampera> I've not been alive for decades
11:25:41 <DHess_US> And as far as vote fraud? I"ve watched it happen personally.
11:25:52 <Ampera> I don't think our voting system can ever be fixed, but I think there's shit that can be done to make it better
11:26:04 <Ampera> none of it will ever happen unless we actually have nonpartisan entities that want to see it happen
11:26:08 <DHess_US> I worked poll security for a couple years in Orange County, California.
11:26:15 <Ampera> and at the moment people are depressingly content with a war of factions
11:26:34 <DHess_US> The last year I was in the counting center and got to watch wholesale vote fraud.
11:27:04 <DHess_US> Nobody cared. Everybody there except people like me knew about it.
11:27:30 <Ampera> Makes sense, California is one of the most politically divided states in the union
11:27:54 <Ampera> when you can't get what you want through honest political discourse you gotta fuck with the numbers
11:27:55 <DHess_US> The two things I saw were that they reported votes which were destroyed and never counted, and poll workers taking ballot boxes home instead of directly to the counting center.
11:28:09 * T3sl4 creams on Halcyon
11:28:16 <DHess_US> That was 20 years ago.
11:29:16 <coppice> in a country with only 2 major parties, you'd think it would be easy for them to arrange very effective monitoring of the vote gathering process
11:30:00 <DHess_US> Nothing\, paternal grandmother was pure German and probably not long from Germany. Both paternal grandfathers came down out of Canada, one was pure German and the other was English. Maternal grandmother was Spanish and native American.
11:30:11 <Ampera> coppice, as said, it's not about fair voting, it's about being better at cheating than the other guy
11:30:30 <Ampera> why would they expose vote fraud when they want to do it themselves, just better
11:30:44 <DHess_US> coppice, that *was* effective monitoring. The votes which were destroyed and faked were all third party votes.
11:31:37 <DHess_US> Well, I mean of the votes which weren't counted. There was no way to know what happened with the ballot boxes full of votes which mysteriously were delivered 24 hours late.
11:32:04 <DHess_US> And that happened *every* election. It was just routine and expected.
11:32:36 <DHess_US> The only thing anybody was upset about was that it leaked out that some ballot boxes were missing for 24 hours.
11:33:22 <coppice> politics in the UK is a mess, but at least the voting process is run with a good level of integrity
11:33:54 * T3sl4 snacks on fresh mac&cheese
11:34:05 <DHess_US> Nothing\, if I spend a week out in the sun, then I look like photographs of soldiers in the Afrika Korps. My hair turns blonde and my skin turns dark.
11:35:39 <DHess_US> My father does resemble Rudolf Hess though. It is possible that there is some relation through his mother, but I don't think he ever knew, and she never said.
11:35:56 <DHess_US> And that would have all been long before the war.
11:36:05 <coppice> I'm blonde. I don't tan. I go straight to sunburned
11:36:32 <T3sl4> ah, part lobsterkind
11:36:40 <DHess_US> A lot of pure Germans tan really well, and with my Spanish and Indian heritage, I tan even better.
11:36:43 <Ampera> I did something I have never done before
11:36:44 <Ampera> paid for music
11:37:01 <DHess_US> Why? Do you have a brain tumor?
11:37:03 <Ampera> well, pay directly
11:37:14 <coppice> DHess_US: when you say he resembles Rudolf Hess, so you mean he left his family and ran away to Scotland?
11:37:17 <Ampera> DHess_US, no I have a new group that's become my favourite and their music isn't easily available in good quality anywhere
11:37:22 <Ampera> so I bought a few CDs
11:37:39 <DHess_US> coppice, no, I mean in pictures.
11:37:50 <DHess_US> Ampera, makes sense. I've done that a couple times.
11:38:05 <Ampera> the albums were from sElf,
11:38:10 <Ampera> actually two albums and an EP
11:38:31 <Ampera> Super Fake Nice (EP), Porno, Mint, and Grime (LP), and Ornament & Crime (LP)
11:38:33 <DHess_US> Like there was some music in The Matrix which wasn't on the soundtrack CD so I bought a Massive Attack CD to get it.
11:38:58 <Ampera> only Super Fake Nice is available on YouTube Music, and these CDs are better quality than any of that
11:39:14 <Ampera> well, in theory, if they were mastered lossles
11:39:16 <Ampera> s
11:40:38 <coppice> I wonder why Rudolf Hess killed himself, after spending decades in prison?
11:41:10 <DHess_US> That whole thing is still classified by the UK. I doubt we will ever know WTF he said or did.
11:41:38 <DHess_US> And it isn't like anybody would believe was the UK released after all this time.
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