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36:13 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/yMaXF8.jpg <-- well, fck the plane is splitted in a way i cant even put a via to connect both of them
38:09 <rust_collector> stick a wire in there
38:39 <rust_collector> the underage workers need things to do
39:09 <hsn> :D
39:12 <hsn> lol
39:30 <hsn> wait i might be able to connect allready existing vias
39:59 <hsn> or use gnd plane ? :)
40:42 <rust_collector> I dunno wth your planes are doing....
41:50 <hsn> they are doing em stealth :D
42:13 <rust_collector> can you get by with just deleting them?
42:26 <rust_collector> it is not like anyone shoudl see them anyway
43:13 <hsn> :D u r right
55:07 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CFCHPQmjrHB/?igshid=5gq7jy2468q3
10:56 <DHess_US> In 3 months I have used up 10% of the endurance of my SSD, so I can expect it to last a total of 2.5 years, which makes me wonder if people actually *use* these things.
26:02 <clarkos> How did you mamage that?
56:22 <Ampera> DHess_US, is that a QLC SSD or something?
56:38 <Ampera> because if you /use/ those things, they can peter out relatively quickly
09:03 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
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10:53 <rust_collector> that took some time...
15:09 <Ysjoelfir> yes, sorry
15:21 <Ysjoelfir> was occupied fixing the BMW
17:28 <rust_collector> oh no!
18:02 <rust_collector> typical german... occupying as usual
18:19 <rust_collector> so, how is that going?
21:40 <Ysjoelfir> it went very well. not. had many difficulties with the wiring, that one is completely fucked. many things there are... strange. like a connector which is disconnected and bridged on the other side. if you reconnect it you short the battery. very strange. also, suddenly it didn't start anymore. turned out that a cable that was cut and reconnected (!?) was just twisted together and under some tape and that connection came loose. was the cable
21:40 <Ysjoelfir> of the kill switch.
22:13 <rust_collector> sounds good
22:43 <rust_collector> but it has a somewhat basic wiring, doesn't it?
23:16 <Ysjoelfir> then I was finally finished, started it up, and it run very good (well, as good as it can with not synchronised, not adjusted carburetors). up to the moment when the right carb overflowed -.-
23:39 <Ysjoelfir> it is kind of basic, but... the advanced kind of basic
23:59 <Ysjoelfir> it has some diode plates and some strange, nonstandard relays that do strange things
24:28 <rust_collector> vely interstonk
24:52 <Ysjoelfir> and some "safety" features, like it starts up only when you pull the clutch and it is in neutral.
25:07 <rust_collector> ehm, ok
25:25 <Ysjoelfir> one of them should be enough, right?
25:33 <rust_collector> because one neutral is never enough
25:39 <Ysjoelfir> exactly :P
25:47 <rust_collector> so, it would be hard to push start that then
26:04 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but it has a kickstarter
26:18 <Ysjoelfir> which is.... strange
26:30 <Ysjoelfir> has an ultra short travel and feels like nearly no resistance
26:51 <rust_collector> just enough to say FLOOMP
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlGMzA47J4
27:38 <rust_collector> I guess it shoudl start really easy, if things are as designed, lol
28:20 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. i was surprised how good it started with the non adjusted carburetors. one crank of the starter and it started right up
28:56 <rust_collector> it would probably start just fine on one side too
29:44 <Ysjoelfir> it actually did
30:01 <Ysjoelfir> sounded somehow weird and shook a bit, but it ran
30:53 <Ysjoelfir> when the carb overflowed it stopped and when I tried to restart it it ran only on the left one as the right one was flooded
31:18 <Ysjoelfir> which I only noticed when I wanted to see why it suddenly stank of fuel
31:45 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhp77elZ5vc it actually looks realy easy to kickstart that thing. I should try it some time
36:11 <rust_collector> yeah. it is a handy feature
36:40 <rust_collector> so, i just made thick flour/yeast/water/oil/salt mix
37:37 <rust_collector> uhm, with rolled oats
37:48 <Ysjoelfir> sounds simmilar to pizza dough
38:07 <rust_collector> it is not looking too different, I guess
38:39 <rust_collector> coffee is ready, so mr steve 3 million will be here any time now
39:36 <steve30> o/
39:51 <rust_collector> heil steve
39:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol
40:21 <rust_collector> I am still messing with the little igbt. wondering what I can use that for...
40:52 <rust_collector> I guess I could turn something on and off with it, but...
42:18 <Ysjoelfir> build a temperature controller for something
43:55 <DHess_US> <DHess_US> In 3 months I have used up 10% of the endurance of my SSD, so I can expect it to last a total of 2.5 years, which makes me wonder if people actually *use* these things.
43:55 <DHess_US> <clarkos> How did you mamage that?
43:55 <DHess_US> <Ampera> DHess_US, is that a QLC SSD or something?
44:14 <DHess_US> Crucial 240GB BX500 just being used as my work drive.
44:37 <DHess_US> Initially used it as my swap and temp drive but decided that was wearing it out too fast so swapped it for an MX500 there.
44:45 <DHess_US> The MX500 seems to be doing better and should last 20 years.
45:06 <Ampera> Yeah I'm wondering if that's a QLC/TLC drive
45:17 <DHess_US> I swap them under the theory that the DRAM cache in the MX500 will reduce write amplificaiton.
45:22 <Ampera> maybe one even has a DRAM cache (or a larger one) which would also help reduce wear
45:23 <Ampera> aye
45:28 <DHess_US> These are all 3D TLC drives
45:32 <Ampera> huh
45:52 <DHess_US> A similar Intel S4510 3D TLC drive lists 10 times the write endurance.
45:56 <Ampera> maybe they just got the bum chips off the pile, unless you're using flash memory like system memory it should last longer than that
46:01 <DHess_US> So something does not add up.
46:05 <Ampera> I agree
46:28 <DHess_US> No, this is based on the number of page writes and the specified endurance.
46:44 <Ampera> Only thing I can think is most SSDs overprovision their chips, like 240GB might actually be 250GB, and the extra space gets used to replace dead cells
47:04 <Ampera> so maybe that SSD has no DRAM cache, doesn't overprovision, and is mislabeled as TLC
47:07 <DHess_US> Right, but overprovisioning doesn't *increase* the total endurance.
47:31 <DHess_US> Crucial and Intel are reputable.
47:33 <Ampera> doesn't it?
47:51 <Ampera> Does Intel even still make flash?
47:54 <Ampera> I think they do, but I'm not sure
48:04 <DHess_US> For a given total size of the memory array, you get a fixed write endurance. How you divide that between visible and overprovisioning doesn't change that.
48:23 <DHess_US> Last time I checked, Intel and Crucial both used Flash from Micron.
48:33 <Ampera> but if you overprovision and swap out dead cells that mean you have /more/ memory to go through
48:38 <DHess_US> They might be different chips though.
48:42 <Ampera> so yeah, each cell has a fixed write endurance, but you have more cells
49:31 <Ampera> I mean I never doubt the possibility that there are concepts beyond my understanding, so maybe I have it all wrong
49:32 <DHess_US> My criteria for selection only includes drives that have power loss protection, which excludes Samsung.
50:15 <DHess_US> Also excludes Sandisk.
50:19 <Ampera> Do M.2 SSDs have power loss protection
50:22 <DHess_US> No
50:28 <Ampera> as I presume you mean some capacitor that keeps power available to flush DRAM to disk
50:29 <DHess_US> Well, they can, but I haven't seen one.
50:33 <DHess_US> No
50:38 <Ampera> ???
50:56 <Ampera> then what is power loss protection
50:58 <DHess_US> Power loss protection can be end to end so it can flush DRAM, but most importantly it is to prevent corruption from an incomplete write.
51:09 <Ampera> ah
51:32 <DHess_US> Without it, power loss during a write not only leaves the written data corrupt, but it can corrupt *other* data in the Flash array destroyign the drive.
51:32 <Ampera> well all my SSDs are M.2, I'll have to keep that in mind
51:37 <DHess_US> That is how SSDs get bricked.
51:52 <DHess_US> Like if the flash translation table got corrupted.
52:32 <DHess_US> Enterprise drives can complete any pending writes, but I'll settle for not corrupting.
52:54 <DHess_US> A write which isn't completed can mean just lost data which isn't a big deal.
54:08 <Ampera> Wasn't aware of that, but it makes sense
55:47 <DHess_US> The reason it does not matter is that the filesystem uses synchronous writes. So first the new data is written, then it is synchronized completing the write, and then the metadata is written and synchronized.
56:13 <DHess_US> If either of those writes fails, then the only result is that the data is not written or is not known to be written.
56:30 <DHess_US> There should be no in-between where the filesystem becomes corrupted.
57:11 <DHess_US> But that depends on the SSD not randomly corrupting other data during an incomplete write, which is what power loss protection needs to do at a minimum.
58:02 <DHess_US> Obviously companies like Samsung do not advertise that their consumer SSDs are subject to destruction.
01:53 <rust_collector> in my case, the samsung ssd just vaporised. I can not find it anywhere
03:21 <hsn> hey Ysjoelfir any news from lemon
04:07 <Ysjoelfir> I had an intenso SSD dieing spontaneously, other than that mine run fine
04:10 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - nope
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04:24 <rust_collector> i guess he forgot his password again
07:53 <DHess_US> I've had poor reliability with USB Flash sticks which is to be expected so now I built my own giant USB drives to use instead.
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10:05 <DHess_US> But if it is only going to last 2.5 years, then maybe I should be using a 2.5" hard drive instead.
18:47 <rust_collector> the only ssd I have had real issues with, was 2 different intels. which I thought was interesting
28:31 <DHess_US> I'm still looking for acceptable SSDs to test. So far just Crucial and Intel make the grade.
47:08 <rust_collector> arrgh, too many new videos... I can not watch all of them right now
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> so you should be happy that I didn't make any :P
27:45 <rust_collector> blah blah blah
30:52 <rust_collector> what kind of ignition is on that bmw?
32:09 <Ysjoelfir> i am not sure. for that year it can be either contacts or an electronic ignition. since I didn't need to work on that yet I assume its already the electronic one
32:22 <rust_collector> probably
32:49 <rust_collector> not that there is much wrong with points, as long as they were not closed while hibernating
33:31 <rust_collector> my -87 toyota had points. I thought that was a bit weird
35:12 <rust_collector> I should find something to eat
35:15 <coppice> 87 was late for a car to still have points
35:24 <rust_collector> yes, I thought so too
35:53 <coppice> unless it was a pretty old model at the time. most cars changed in the early 80s
37:17 <rust_collector> well, it was one of those tercel 4wd wagon things. I am not sure if they kept making those much longer. But the ones sold to the us had electronic ignition.
39:00 <coppice> nt V8agc(v8_t *s)
39:01 <coppice> {
39:03 <coppice> short *psVar1;
39:04 <coppice> int16_t iVar2;
39:06 <coppice> uint32_t uVar3;
39:08 <coppice> ushort uVar4;
39:09 <coppice> short sVar5;
39:11 <coppice> short sVar6;
39:12 <coppice> short sVar7;
39:14 <coppice> int16_t *piVar8;
39:15 <coppice> int iVar9;
39:16 <coppice> short sVar10;
39:18 <coppice> int16_t *piVar11;
39:19 <coppice> short *psVar12;
39:21 <coppice> uint uVar13;
39:23 <coppice> short *psVar14;
39:24 <coppice> short *psVar15;
39:26 <coppice> uint uVar16;
39:27 <coppice> int iVar17;
39:29 <coppice> short *psVar18;
39:30 <coppice> ushort local_14;
39:31 <coppice> ushort local_12;
39:33 <coppice> 
39:34 <coppice> sVar5 = 0;
39:36 <coppice> piVar8 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_5ac_;
39:38 <coppice> piVar11 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_f8_;
39:39 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_f4_ = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_f4_ + -4;
39:41 <coppice> do {
39:42 <coppice> iVar2 = *piVar11;
39:44 <coppice> piVar11 = piVar11 + 2;
39:45 <coppice> *piVar8 = iVar2;
39:47 <coppice> piVar8 = piVar8 + 1;
39:48 <coppice> if (&(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_200_tx_buf_len <= piVar11) {
39:50 <coppice> piVar11 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_100_;
39:51 <coppice> }
39:53 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar5 + 1;
39:54 <coppice> } while (sVar5 < 4);
39:56 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_f8_ = piVar11;
39:57 <coppice> uVar3 = (s->v8_a44_).v8_cfg_0_answerer;
39:59 <coppice> psVar12 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_5ac_;
40:00 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_10_ = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_5ac_ + 4;
40:02 <coppice> psVar14 = CALLER_Entrance_Filter;
40:03 <coppice> if (uVar3 != 0) {
40:04 <coppice> psVar14 = ANSWER_Entrance_Filter;
40:06 <coppice> }
40:08 <coppice> sVar5 = 0;
40:09 <coppice> psVar18 = psVar12;
40:11 <coppice> do {
40:12 <coppice> iVar17 = 0;
40:13 <coppice> s->v8_e68_[0] = *psVar18;
40:15 <coppice> iVar9 = 0;
40:17 <coppice> psVar15 = psVar14;
40:18 <coppice> do {
40:19 <coppice> psVar1 = s->v8_e68_ + iVar9;
40:21 <coppice> sVar7 = *psVar15;
40:23 <coppice> psVar15 = psVar15 + 1;
40:24 <coppice> sVar10 = (short)iVar9 + 1;
40:26 <coppice> iVar9 = (int)sVar10;
40:27 <coppice> iVar17 = iVar17 + (int)sVar7 * (int)*psVar1;
40:29 <coppice> } while (sVar10 < 0x28);
40:30 <coppice> sVar7 = 0;
40:31 <coppice> piVar8 = s->v8_e6c_ + 0x25;
40:33 <coppice> *psVar18 = (short)(iVar17 >> 0xe);
40:34 <coppice> psVar18 = psVar18 + 1;
40:36 <coppice> do {
40:38 <coppice> sVar7 = sVar7 + 1;
40:39 <coppice> *piVar8 = piVar8[-1];
40:41 <coppice> piVar8 = piVar8 + -1;
40:42 <coppice> } while (sVar7 < 0x27);
40:44 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar5 + 1;
40:45 <coppice> } while (sVar5 < 4);
40:46 <coppice> sVar5 = 0;
40:48 <coppice> psVar14 = psVar12;
40:49 <coppice> do {
40:51 <coppice> sVar7 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_82_;
40:53 <coppice> sVar6 = sVar7 + 1;
40:54 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_82_ = sVar6;
40:56 <coppice> sVar10 = *psVar14;
40:57 <coppice> psVar14 = psVar14 + 1;
40:59 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_22_[sVar7] = sVar10;
41:00 <coppice> if (0x23 < sVar6) {
41:02 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_82_ = 0;
41:03 <coppice> }
41:04 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar5 + 1;
41:06 <coppice> } while (sVar5 < 4);
41:08 <coppice> uVar16 = 0;
41:09 <coppice> psVar14 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_22_;
41:11 <coppice> sVar5 = 0x23;
41:12 <coppice> do {
41:14 <coppice> sVar7 = *psVar14;
41:15 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar5 + -1;
41:17 <coppice> psVar14 = psVar14 + 1;
41:18 <coppice> uVar16 = uVar16 + ((int)sVar7 * 0x38e >> 0xf) * (int)sVar7;
41:19 <coppice> } while (sVar5 != -1);
41:21 <coppice> sVar5 = 0;
41:23 <coppice> if (uVar16 != 0) {
41:24 <coppice> local_14 = 0;
41:26 <coppice> if (uVar16 < 0x20000000) {
41:27 <coppice> local_14 = 0;
41:29 <coppice> do {
41:30 <coppice> uVar16 = uVar16 * 2;
41:31 <coppice> local_14 = local_14 + 1;
41:33 <coppice> } while (uVar16 < 0x20000000);
41:34 <coppice> }
41:36 <coppice> local_12 = (ushort)(uVar16 >> 0xf);
41:37 <coppice> if ((uint)local_14 != (uint)(local_14 >> 1) * 2) {
41:39 <coppice> local_12 = local_12 >> 1;
41:41 <coppice> }
41:42 <coppice> uVar16 = ((int)((uint)local_12 + 0x40) >> 7) - 0x40U & 0xffff;
41:44 <coppice> if (0xbf < (ushort)uVar16) {
41:45 <coppice> uVar16 = 0xbf;
41:47 <coppice> }
41:48 <coppice> sVar5 = (short)((int)(uint)sqrt_table[uVar16] >> ((byte)(local_14 >> 1) & 0x1f));
41:49 <coppice> }
41:51 <coppice> sVar7 = 0;
41:52 <coppice> psVar14 = psVar12;
41:54 <coppice> do {
41:56 <coppice> uVar16 = (int)(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain * (int)*psVar14;
41:57 <coppice> uVar4 = (ushort)(uVar16 >> 0x10);
41:59 <coppice> if (uVar4 >> 9 == 0x7f || uVar16 >> 0x19 == 0) {
42:00 <coppice> *psVar14 = (short)((int)uVar16 >> 10);
42:02 <coppice> }
42:03 <coppice> else {
42:04 <coppice> if ((short)uVar4 < 1) {
42:06 <coppice> *psVar14 = -0x7f00;
42:08 <coppice> }
42:09 <coppice> else {
42:11 <coppice> *psVar14 = 0x7f00;
42:12 <coppice> }
42:14 <coppice> if (1 < dsplibs_debug_level) {
42:15 <coppice> dsplibs_debug_printf("V8AGC, overflow = 0x%x,\n",(int)uVar16 >> 0x10);
42:16 <coppice> }
42:18 <coppice> sVar10 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_ac_ + 1;
42:19 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_ac_ = sVar10;
42:21 <coppice> if ((sVar10 == 10) &&
42:23 <coppice> ((s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain = 0x400, uVar3 = dsplibs_debug_level, s->v8_9d8_ == 0x24)) {
42:24 <coppice> s->v8_9d8_ = 0x19;
42:26 <coppice> if (1 < uVar3) {
42:27 <coppice> dsplibs_debug_printf("V8: Due to overflow, looking for ANSam again...\n");
42:29 <coppice> }
42:30 <coppice> (s->v8_ad8_detector).v8_detector_8_ = 0;
42:31 <coppice> (s->v8_ad8_detector).v8_30_ = 0;
42:33 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_ac_ = 0;
42:34 <coppice> }
42:36 <coppice> }
42:38 <coppice> psVar14 = psVar14 + 1;
42:39 <coppice> sVar7 = sVar7 + 1;
42:41 <coppice> } while (sVar7 < 4);
42:42 <coppice> if (0x1f < sVar5) {
42:44 <coppice> uVar16 = 0;
42:45 <coppice> sVar5 = 0;
42:46 <coppice> do {
42:48 <coppice> sVar7 = *psVar12;
42:49 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar5 + 1;
42:51 <coppice> psVar12 = psVar12 + 1;
42:53 <coppice> uVar16 = uVar16 + (int)sVar7 * (int)sVar7;
42:54 <coppice> } while (sVar5 < 4);
42:56 <coppice> *(uint *)&(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_14_ = uVar16;
42:57 <coppice> uVar16 = ((int)(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1a_ * 0x6ccd >> 0xf) + (uVar16 >> 0x10);
42:58 <coppice> uVar13 = uVar16 >> 0xf;
43:00 <coppice> if (uVar13 == 0x1ffff || uVar13 == 0) {
43:02 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1a_ = (int16_t)uVar16;
43:03 <coppice> }
43:05 <coppice> else {
43:06 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1a_ = 0x7f00;
43:08 <coppice> }
43:09 <coppice> if ((*(byte *)((int)&(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_a_ + 1) & 2) == 0) {
43:11 <coppice> sVar5 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1a_ + -4000;
43:12 <coppice> iVar9 = (int)sVar5;
43:14 <coppice> if (sVar5 < 0) {
43:15 <coppice> sVar5 = -sVar5;
43:17 <coppice> }
43:18 <coppice> if (0 < (short)(sVar5 + -2000)) {
43:20 <coppice> sVar7 = (short)((uint)((s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_20_ * iVar9) >> 0x10) + (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1e_;
43:21 <coppice> sVar5 = sVar7;
43:23 <coppice> if (sVar7 < 0) {
43:24 <coppice> sVar5 = -sVar7;
43:26 <coppice> }
43:27 <coppice> if ((short)(sVar5 + -1000) < 1) {
43:29 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1e_ = sVar7;
43:30 <coppice> }
43:31 <coppice> else {
43:33 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1e_ = 0;
43:35 <coppice> if (sVar7 < 1) {
43:36 <coppice> sVar5 = (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain;
43:38 <coppice> if (sVar5 < 0x6a01) {
43:39 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain = (int16_t)((int)sVar5 * 0x47cf >> 0xe);
43:41 <coppice> }
43:42 <coppice> }
43:44 <coppice> else {
43:45 <coppice> (s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain = (int16_t)((int)(s->v8_1c_v8x).v8x_1c_gain * 0x390a >> 0xe);
43:47 <coppice> }
43:48 <coppice> }
43:49 <coppice> }
43:51 <coppice> }
43:53 <coppice> }
43:54 <coppice> return 0;
43:56 <coppice> }
43:57 <coppice> oops
43:59 <coppice> wikipedia says "Toyota Tercel, Second generation (L20; 1982–1986)". If you 87 ones was actually the tail end of that it probably wouldn't have electronic ignition
44:08 <rust_collector> that looks pretty nerdy
44:42 * Ysjoelfir was hovering his mouse over the kick button :P
45:25 <steve30> hmm, how did Ysjoelfir get to be +O? I guess halcyon must like him :)
45:26 <coppice> I didn't cut properly before pasting the thing about the Tercel. Its the previous ghidra decompilation window I was working with
45:45 <rust_collector> they did a few little upgrades on the 86 or 87 model. like changing the final gear ratios, which seems a bit much, if they are going to nix it
46:29 <rust_collector> I miss that weird little thing. it was loads of fun, but underpowered
46:47 <coppice> the might have introduced some of the new kit they'd designed for the third gen cars
48:32 <rust_collector> I had a bad front driveshaft on it, so I took them out, and ran in rear wheel drive, that was very fun, lol
49:48 <rust_collector> they are hard to find now, like ladas and other stuff you used to find everywhere here
50:44 <coppice> I've only ever seen a few tercels.
51:44 <rust_collector> it was very tractor like, when you put it in 4wd. and it had an extra low gear, so it was a sort of 6 speed
52:14 <rust_collector> but yes, it had no center diff, so it was very stiff and weird in 4wd
52:15 <coppice> did it had any solid off road capability?
52:54 <rust_collector> the only thing that would stop it, was running out of power, or lack of insanity
53:45 <rust_collector> well, it had small wheels, so it was a bit limited, but it had ok clearance, so it did pretty good
54:49 <rust_collector> hmm, it had a solid rear axle, so if you disconnected the sway bar, it would follow the ground very well
58:01 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/car/used/ad.html?finnkode=184921955
02:49 <coppice> the mirrors at the front of the bonnet look sooooo old school
03:44 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/car/used/ad.html?finnkode=174376425
04:06 <rust_collector> I do not think I have ever seen a commer "car" here
04:37 <rust_collector> moms uncle used to have a little commer 2 stroke truck
05:38 <coppice> they used to take cars from the same group and adapt them into a cross between a van and an estate car and sell them as commer vehicles
05:59 <rust_collector> ok
07:03 <coppice> I think the one in your picture started as a Hillman Husky estate car
08:37 <rust_collector> english cars is a thing I do not know much about.
08:49 <rust_collector> add it to the list
15:33 <rust_collector> there is a bright yellow and black anglia "van" I see around here, it is used by a rental lift company
16:00 <coppice> is it Harry Potter themed?
16:01 <rust_collector> it looks pretty nice
16:08 <rust_collector> nope
18:06 <rust_collector> https://gramho.com/media/2275614987468097038
18:57 <rust_collector> I think it looks pretty nice, in its own way
19:21 <Ysjoelfir> you should get that
20:11 <rust_collector> I do not think they want to give it to me
20:47 <rust_collector> but i agree, I should get that
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:36 <rust_collector> they still use it for little stuff, and to pick up lunch
22:46 <rust_collector> it is used a lot
29:36 <rust_collector> butter flavoured popcorn... powder stuff did work pretty well in pizza
30:28 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds strange but somehow.. good
31:02 <rust_collector> I mixed it into the sausage and tomato stuff.
31:37 <rust_collector> I guess it almost compensates for using fake cheese
33:12 <rust_collector> well, I only had one little slice, and there is a lot left, so maybe it was not so great....
40:36 <Ysjoelfir> XD nah, can't be that bad
42:54 <rust_collector> my slice was pretty ok...
54:36 <rust_collector> hmm, how is the smaller road network in germany now? is a moped vacation a good idea?
58:07 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why not? :)
58:50 <rust_collector> well, it would take ages to go anywhere...
02:04 <rust_collector> I think it would be a good way to look around
02:46 <rust_collector> but it would be nice if it was allowed to have a small trailer
03:09 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. well, it actually is
04:39 <rust_collector> it is not up here, afaik. but that is good. otoh, one of those 3 wheel cargo moped things would be cool too
05:43 <Ysjoelfir> yeah :D or a simson duo! that thing is gorgeous
06:30 <rust_collector> eeeh... that is... different
38:32 <Ampera> good god coppice if I wasn't laughing I'd be mildly displeased
38:55 <rust_collector> it took some time...
43:17 <rust_collector> I am just happy it was not some kind of lisp
52:05 <rust_collector> oh crap. i have to go do things tomorrow. I don't really want to
52:29 <rust_collector> but I probably do not want to on monday either
59:48 <Ysjoelfir> one does not want to do stuff on mondays
01:02 <rust_collector> I want to do stuff on monday. It is just that I have to do other things, so I can not
01:31 <rust_collector> hmm, do you need a volvo motor?
02:04 <rust_collector> I have to get a volvo engine out of a boat tomorrow. it will fit very nicely in your trundlewagon
03:19 <rust_collector> Ok, I won't be mean. you do not want this in your wagon
04:09 <Ysjoelfir> why not?^^
04:27 <rust_collector> meh, it is a bit on the small side
05:14 <rust_collector> well, not by displacement, but they were not really great
06:18 <rust_collector> small bore, so limited power, and a little bit prone to knocking
06:32 <Ysjoelfir> meh. sounds not very enjoyable :P
07:03 <rust_collector> they do work ok-ish, for just cruising around, I guess
07:24 <Ysjoelfir> well, even a trabant motor would work ok-ish :P but I'll be going to bed. enjoy your boat disassembly tomorrow :)
07:40 <rust_collector> noooo.....
07:47 <Ysjoelfir> have to get up early to continue with mrs. BMW
08:13 <rust_collector> new mistress... ok... I have to tell swymo
08:35 <Ysjoelfir> as mr. neighbor will be back at noon and doesn't appreciate me working in his carport on a sunday XD
08:39 <Ysjoelfir> lol, do that :P
08:44 <Ysjoelfir> gn8^^
08:50 <rust_collector> I will message her right not on our secret discord... good night
09:01 <rust_collector> (whatever that is)
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38:17 <Halcyon> steve30: Yeh I added him a while ago
38:24 <Halcyon> It's good to have ops across different time zones
38:59 <Halcyon> Also, morning all
39:28 <rust_collector> moin moing
39:38 <rust_collector> that was weird. just moin
44:43 <Halcyon> Mmm coffee
45:07 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
45:12 <Halcyon> YAY! Hi Ampera
45:16 <Ampera> call?
45:20 <Halcyon> Sure
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32:38 <Nothing\> ahoyahoy
32:57 <Nothing\> lol my cat smokey ate 2 pickles off of my burger. I picked em off and he snagged em off the plate when I wasn't looking
33:15 <rust_collector> oh hey, you are....
33:21 <Nothing\> and luci's attacking everything i'm typing in here, or the buffer any time t i moves
33:30 <Nothing\> i am
33:48 <Nothing\> that used to be the catch phrase for molson canada
33:53 <Nothing\> "I am"
34:07 <Nothing\> and sometimes "Canadian"
34:54 <Nothing\> luci's gotten into a bad habit of sitting on the tv stand right in front of the 65in tv and attack anything that moves on it. thankfully without claws
35:12 <Nothing\> but there are paw prints all over the tv
36:41 <rust_collector> teach it to wash its paws in ipa before sitting on the tv
48:40 <rust_collector> it takes time, but will be worth it, when you feel like watching tv. Good night
57:58 <clarkos> That code coppice lol.
24:09 <MrMobodies> Hello, I got a Samsung television
24:12 <MrMobodies> to look at
24:20 <MrMobodies> screen at the top dark
24:42 <MrMobodies> then it packed up, they brought another supply, it worked for another two months, same problem with the darkeness at the top
24:59 <MrMobodies> It is a samsung manufactured in Auguest 2015
25:27 <MrMobodies> The LED'S in the fail too and there are kits to replace them
26:33 <MrMobodies> whilst my Panasonic televisions one of whic is 2008, 2013 (LED'S backlight), and even my old HP monitors have yet to fail on me.
27:26 <Halcyon> *yawn*
27:29 <Halcyon> I had a nice nap
28:25 <MrMobodies> https://pricespy.co.uk/audio-video/tvs/samsung-ue55ju6800--p3245437/statistics
28:43 <MrMobodies> £1400 very disappointing for the owner
29:14 <Halcyon> Indeed
30:03 <MrMobodies> I am going to replace all the caps on the board first
31:03 <MrMobodies> SAM YOUNG brand and some other ubranded caps doing the backlight
35:11 <MrMobodies> It looks like the caps are going cost more than buying another board
35:12 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=BN44-00859A&_sacat=0
35:25 <MrMobodies> but then they might have the same issue
38:27 <MrMobodies> This is interesting, different model, same problem, same power supply:
38:29 <MrMobodies> https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75620
39:29 <MrMobodies> I am thinking "Faulty led's should cause a power supply to "pack up""
39:41 <MrMobodies> oops *shouldn't*
48:23 <Halcyon> Ampera... what were those individually wrapped fruit candy you sent me?
59:44 <MrMobodies> joke: You don't trust them?
00:49 <Halcyon> Hehe, no I'm just trying to remember what they were called
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43:30 <electrohead> o/
47:50 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr head
48:21 * Halcyon ate too much pasta
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58:23 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMc1MkoSJF0
58:26 <Halcyon> Aww ducks :)
06:22 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr hulk
06:29 * Ysjoelfir is defrosting his freezer
07:18 * Ysjoelfir is fighting with it since it doesn't have an on/off switch and its power plug is hidden behind the damn thing
07:43 <Halcyon> Bugger
09:05 <Ysjoelfir> yep.
09:33 <Ysjoelfir> can't switch off the mains fuse as well, as the wiring here is so strange that I would have to switch off the living room to have that part of the kitchen without energy
09:56 <Ysjoelfir> which is usefull when you want to disable most things when you go on vacation (except your freezer off course), but for defrosting.... meh
10:17 <Halcyon> You can't just move the freezer and get to the plug
10:18 <Halcyon> ?
10:36 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:37 <Ysjoelfir> nope. its stuck tight between the wall and the fridge
10:51 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
11:22 <Ysjoelfir> to get those out I would have to either tear down the wall or disassemble a huge kitchen cupboard. neither of them is an option :D
12:34 <steve30> Halcyon, Sargent eBay is back :)
12:35 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhiY6_0Puog&t=0s
13:04 <Halcyon> Gawd
13:14 <Halcyon> He comes across as a wannabe
14:31 <steve30> I cringed throughout that video, but it was actually quite good at the end, when some actual policemen come to speak to him
15:14 <Halcyon> He just seems like a public nuisance
18:41 <hsn> ow
18:53 <steve30> anyway, I went to a perfectly legal gathering yesterday
18:57 * steve30 meows innocently
19:24 <Halcyon> He is lucky he can get away with that crap there
19:30 <Halcyon> He would be arrested and charged here
20:34 <hsn> hsn .. UL safety certified https://photos.app.goo.gl/GbjpD7s3687JfUHj9
20:43 <hsn> also that is charging ^
20:54 <Halcyon> Hahah
21:12 * steve30 coffees
21:13 <Halcyon> No sign that says "No touchy" ?
21:35 <hsn> no .. i dont mind somone touch it
21:38 <hsn> xD
21:54 <DogWomble> maybe "no entry"?
22:27 <hsn> well its our room only 3 ppl here and im charging this phone for maybe 2 hours
22:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol
23:13 <hsn> its a cat flicker phone which is owned by company owner and i borrow it for 2 days only
23:23 <hsn> need to debug some short circuit
23:38 <hsn> cat flir
23:59 <hsn> so i imagine my self returnimg it burned
24:05 <hsn> and they burn me after
24:10 <hsn> XD
25:54 <Ysjoelfir> probably :P
28:54 <Ysjoelfir> so, hsn! you are my programming expert
29:31 <Ysjoelfir> tell me - I think I want to start with ARM stuff, especially the atmel SAM. but... I have no clue if thats a good idea and where the benefits are and so on
42:50 <NeroTHz> thermal cam is so usefull for debugging shorts
43:13 <NeroTHz> also photoshop batch jobs is like opening a new world of processing for me
44:59 <NeroTHz> only annoying thing is the part where sometimes my computer grinds to a halt while using it
47:30 <NeroTHz> did upload some more of my shots to adobe stock
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17:30 <hsn> Ysjoelfir i dont have experience of different mcus .. i think that stm has wide community in the industry .. i only used (SAMD21 AND SAM4E) little bit .. i saw many experts say (it doesnt matter on small quantity <10k .. go with what u know ..
24:02 <Ysjoelfir> I mean specifically the advantages over 8 bit MCUs like I use now
25:42 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: it has 24 more bits
25:54 <Ysjoelfir> damn, then its a no brainer!
27:17 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: do you find your 8 bit choices adequate for the things you do?
28:27 <Ysjoelfir> usually, yes. but I'm thinking about a project using a full color 10" display, and I fear that they might be to slow or limited.
31:35 <Ampera> Halcyon, Mambas
32:44 * Ampera chops Ysjoelfir into thirds, schols Ys, joel, and fir
35:45 <hsn> Ysjoelfir .. i think that u will have to use 32bit anyway sooner or later .. its cheap .. fast, efficient, and capable .. so why not from now ?
36:23 <coppice> 32 bit MCUs are not cheap.They just aren't as costly as they used to be
36:45 <hsn> yes .. cheaper now **
37:16 <steve30> In today's news: "Disposable masks 'causing enormous plastic waste'"
38:11 <coppice> only a small percentage of MCUs are actually using most of their compute performance. Anything more than a few MHz of performance takes you into a niche part of the market
42:31 <rust_collector> that makes me think of this: https://pplware.sapo.pt/gadgets/chips-dos-testes-de-gravidez-sao-quase-tao-poderosos-quanto-os-dos-primeiros-pcs-ibm/
58:44 <Ysjoelfir> steve30 - what a surprise :D
58:59 <Ysjoelfir> hsn / coppice - so... should I learn it or should I not? :D
59:15 <Ysjoelfir> I would try the Atmel SAM as I am used to atmel AVRs...
59:50 <Ysjoelfir> rusty - lol :D nice
01:06 <hsn> i think u should .. for me .. i started my career with no knowledge .. so to reduce risk of doing bad and accelerate my learning i looked at arduino 32 bit which was samd21 .. but at that point of time i barely know how to setup gpio on avr or any other mcu ..
01:23 <Ysjoelfir> also rusty: MrElendig from the other EEVBlog channel said he is having raspeballer with knoke. That looks pretty delicious from the pictures I found. Any advice if I should try that? :P
01:38 <rust_collector> oh, you should
02:40 <hsn> i knew that there will be no support from company side .. i need to learn everything .. i did little research and was between stm and samd21 .. i just went to sam series ..
03:20 <hsn> i think its not bad choice .. but there was eevblog post of someone asking sam vs stm .. everyone seems like they use stm ..
03:48 <rust_collector> Hmm, not that I mess with all the "cool" stuff. but I see stm32 things in most devices I look inside now. except keyless door locks that use "the arduino" chip
05:01 <rust_collector> raspeballer is pretty bland, but if you put the right stuff on them, they are nice
05:49 <rust_collector> some use bacon grease, some use other things.
08:42 <Ysjoelfir> I think I should try that. Raspeballer and the SAM stuff
30:12 <Ampera> *scholds
30:12 <steve30> *purr*
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> \ o /
30:12 <electrohead> o>
30:12 <electrohead> (supposed to be a salute)
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> I actually got that :D
30:12 <Ampera> 25||624
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> I actually did not get that :D
30:12 <Ampera> 25 or 6 to 4
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44:02 <Ysjoelfir> pffffff... next problem. there are ARM Cortex M0+, M4, M4F, M3 and M7 :X well.... lets choose one by pure luck
46:06 <rust_collector> luck you
52:01 <hsn> m0+ would be the baby
53:34 <hsn> m4 would larger thing that has probably ethernet and larger memory stuff.. the core is good for rtos sort of stuff .. at least thats what sam4e has
53:49 <hsn> others im not familier with
54:01 <hsn> i think m0+ and m4 are most used
54:09 <hsn> but not sure again
56:25 <hsn> i dont know what happened here but it felt while its not protected i suspect some wire loved to touch somthing
56:45 <Ysjoelfir> why that?
58:23 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Jj6T67tsgBpKW3z6
58:26 <hsn> https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/cancel-netflix-backlash-cuties-sexualized-girls-1234765747/
59:26 <hsn> scrap the board ?
59:30 <Ysjoelfir> thats nice and warm :D
59:47 <rust_collector> stop shooting laser beams at it from that phone?
59:53 <hsn> wtf is this cuties :)
59:58 <Ysjoelfir> good thing that I don't watch netflix if I am not forced to :D
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