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20:15 <hsn> god knows
20:38 <rust_collector> maybe. you should ask
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11:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: "UQ physics student works out ‘paradox-free’ time travel" Excited by the title, and then the solution sounds kinda, meh. #HaventReadThePaper https://t.co/GygzfpuIeU
30:35 <rust_collector> time to go to work. good night
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41:55 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CFdCpybBU6D/?igshid=dvs3x9evvrot
26:47 <K> meh, console peasants.
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55:10 <hsn> helo
55:33 <hsn> asdasdasdsagayasdasda
11:44 <Ampera> hsn, gay is not allowed here, sorry
11:56 <hsn> im counting Ampera
12:02 <hsn> we reached 100
12:29 <Ampera> You are one fucked up individual, but I like you immensely.
12:53 <hsn> thanks
13:04 <Ampera> <3
13:52 <hsn> u cleared my doubts :P
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52:25 <hsn> zzZzz
59:34 <hsn> https://instagram.com/stories/engineeringmemesguy/2407882256346812143?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=1x7k822fncd8g
09:43 <TheDude> "Log in to view this story"
09:46 <TheDude> nah :D
14:04 <hsn> TheDude https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Z96ZCBcprpM6RpY6
14:49 <TheDude> hah :D
30:07 <Ampera> I'd rather quite literally telegram someone something than instagram them something
51:04 <coppice> is instagram a kilo application
01:12 <hsn> telegram is banned here
01:28 <hsn> Ampera ^
04:22 <Ampera> hsn, no I mean a literal, actual, paper, delivered by courier telegram
05:20 <hsn> u r insta-racist
09:51 <TheDude> instagram is dogshit
10:14 <TheDude> along with every other thing that facebook has touched
46:04 <Halcyon> Morning all
47:34 * Halcyon licks Ampera
49:35 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
49:37 <Ampera> how are you doing
49:46 <Halcyon> Bleh
49:49 <Halcyon> Just woke up
49:56 <Ampera> Call?
50:08 <Halcyon> Give me a few minutes to finish my coffee and wake up a little
58:56 <Ampera> Halcyon,
02:24 <steve30> hi Halcyon
02:31 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
03:15 <steve30> <Halcyon> I'm off to bed guys. Goodnight.
03:21 <steve30> ^^Did you remember to social distance?
03:36 <Halcyon> ?
03:37 <steve30> :p
05:16 <steve30> Did you remember to follow government guidelines on social distancing while you were 'in bed'?
06:36 <Halcyon> We don't have such things
06:37 <Halcyon> :P
15:36 <steve30> I had a decent bike ride today
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18:25 <steve30> hehe, people in another channel are discussing potential coronavirus related sex legislation :D
19:24 <Halcyon> Hahah
19:27 <Halcyon> Which channel?
55:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Remember that failed Solmove @Solmove1 solar roadway I debunked? Seems they just suckered the German version of shark tank into giving them 500k Euro! @f1_rosberg was one of those suckered in. https://t.co/Y8y4HFnYYk https://t.co/mE4hoTFllJ
33:34 <rust_collector> #steve30000 on freenode
39:48 <Halcyon> Hahaha
40:05 * Ampera spits a glass-mercury thermometer at Halcyon 
40:25 <Halcyon> Thanks :P
40:46 <Ampera> Temperature recheck is 98.2F
41:02 <Halcyon> There we go, all better :P
41:21 <Ampera> It's been that low all day
41:25 <Ampera> I'm no longer hot shit
41:28 <Ampera> now I'm just shit
41:40 <Halcyon> Maybe you should check the temperature in every orifice and average out the results >:)
42:08 <Ampera> I'm not sticking a glass thermometer up my dickhole
42:20 <Ampera> it'd likely fit too
42:30 <Halcyon> Mmm that would sting
42:44 <Ampera> especially after wiping it with alcohol
45:57 <rust_collector> maybe try to dust it with chilli powder?
46:12 <Ampera> unfortunately the chili powder we have isn't spicy
46:16 <Ampera> it's mostly fancy paprika
46:37 <rust_collector> good good. I should order from there then
46:55 <Ampera> it's more a spice mix you might use to base a chili (the dish) off of, upon which you add your own spice to taste
47:20 <Ampera> I can get something like 3.5oz bottles of it for a dollar
47:25 <Ampera> if you want some just let me know I can send you some
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47:40 <Ampera> shipping will probably be dumb though
48:04 <rust_collector> yeah, it probably will. I guess I can just order something from hungary
48:45 <Halcyon> I know what to get Ampera for Christmas -- A whole wall full of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvdsqo_87o
49:14 <Ampera> oh nice I've always wanted a reason to burn down and exorcise my house
49:34 <Halcyon> They aren't real cat heads
49:46 <Ampera> Yet they can feel everything
49:54 <rust_collector> but that would probably be much easier to make
49:59 <Halcyon> They will just stare at you constantly
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50:25 <Halcyon> The level of detail is pretty amazing though
50:52 <rust_collector> waku necro does a good job
51:53 <Halcyon> I would love one with a gold plate that just says "Stupid"
52:21 <rust_collector> hmm hmm hmmmmmm. I fried all the old cheese I could find... I might slice up some fresh stuff too
52:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, my hatred for you grows
52:36 <Halcyon> Love you too :P
52:39 <Ampera> Sleep with both eyes open.
53:17 <rust_collector> my ex did that. it was a bit weird
53:33 <Ampera> rust_collector, I can imagine how she became your ex.
53:44 <Ampera> How did you kill her?
54:03 <rust_collector> Whyyyyy would I tell you?
54:10 <Ampera> why not
54:42 <rust_collector> well, do you have any future exes to process at the moment?
54:55 <Ampera> future exes?
55:08 <Ampera> it would be a miracle if I'd ever get someone to love me, even if I paid them
55:19 <Ampera> Even my parents don't do that.
55:24 <rust_collector> well....
55:54 <rust_collector> there are so many fucked up people in the world, so don't worry, there is plenty for you too
56:23 <Ampera> oh thanks rust_collector, knowing I'm so broken I'd need to find someone properly damaged to love me really makes me feel better
56:43 <rust_collector> any time
57:29 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
57:43 <Halcyon> Hang on... I'm not damaged
57:43 <Halcyon> :P
57:52 <Halcyon> Yet I still like him
57:54 <rust_collector> eeeh uhmm
58:08 <rust_collector> right
58:13 <Halcyon> I mean, he is American, but I can't hold that against him too much :P
58:34 <rust_collector> I thought he was italian or something
01:43 <Ampera> rust_collector, what made you think I was italian?
03:35 <rust_collector> you said you were american, and german, and... one more, I think. so if you are from NY or so, you are probably italian
03:53 <Ampera> I am american, german, and potentially french canadian
04:57 <rust_collector> OMG!!!
04:59 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq3X60H7aBo That is a fuck load of butterflies
10:25 * Ampera gives Halcyon a hug <3
10:32 <Halcyon> YAY!
33:09 <rust_collector> aaaand....good night
45:37 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So my local @VirginActiveOz gym has installed boxing glove ozone cleaning machines in the confined space group fitness room. Umm, I'm pretty sure ozone generators are hazardous for your health: https://t.co/cNo9vFnPvZ Investigation required...
00:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: The Amp Hour Podcast: This week on the show @eevblog and @Chris_Gammell discuss EV charging, old wiring in houses, working with an RTOS, newly announced open source devices and more! https://t.co/JyVepFha7N https://t.co/ccRh0pL8Nk
08:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: This commercial unit says it's only safe to re-enter a room 5 hours after the ozone cycle: https://t.co/i7DptePDDU https://t.co/IPnkZMt6TJ
12:00 * electrohead peeks in
43:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Life on Venus: BUSTED! https://t.co/WOSA7bMPnN
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14:11 <clarkos> Anyone got any PCB troubleshooting tips?
15:35 <Halcyon> Thou shall measure voltages?
15:37 <Halcyon> *shrug*
15:45 <clarkos> I've checked voltages.
15:49 <clarkos> But I'm a novice.
15:55 <Halcyon> Then, can you be a bit more specific?
16:00 <clarkos> Yes sure
16:02 <Halcyon> It's like asking "What's the best internet"
16:08 <clarkos> Board powered by 24VAC
16:22 <clarkos> 5VDC and 24VDC regulators onboard
16:35 <clarkos> But when I power it the load keeps flashing
16:42 <clarkos> As in it pulses on and off rapidly.
16:55 <clarkos> As the board leds and the 16x2 LCD backlight all pulse.
16:57 <Halcyon> This sounds like a Ysjoelfir or T3sl4 kind of question, but it sounds to me that it's not getting enough current.
17:11 <clarkos> The board only draws a few watts, bugger all.
17:28 <Halcyon> How much is the power supply capable of feeding it?
17:28 <clarkos> I was thinking a short.
17:32 <clarkos> But it seems okay
17:45 <clarkos> Power supply is 16va or so
18:01 <Halcyon> And how much is it actually drawing?
18:08 <clarkos> Umm
18:48 <clarkos> That's a good question
21:07 <clarkos> 60mA or so
21:23 <clarkos> And power supply is 1.5A so no issue there
23:47 <Halcyon> Mmmmm yeh beats me, I'm not an EE. If I had the board in front of me, I might be able to poke around, but I probably know as much as you.
24:01 <Halcyon> People seem to be asleep at the moment though, they usually surface a bit later.
24:08 <clarkos> Fair enough.
24:34 <clarkos> I think something might be shorting or bringing the 5v rail down but I can't see anything wrong.
25:08 <clarkos> I get 3k ohm between the 5v reg output and ground.
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43:07 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
49:43 <steve30> hi
50:04 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve
51:28 <clarkos> Hello
51:29 <EEVBlog> Hello there, clarkos!
51:44 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, clarkos!
51:45 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
51:55 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, EEVBlog!
56:00 <clarkos> I'm starting to think it's not power related :(
56:08 <clarkos> Maybe the MCu is just crashing
00:51 <Ysjoelfir> uh, I like crashing MCUs! Managed to grill 12 ~70.000€ power analyzers that way!
01:01 <clarkos> Ouch.
01:22 <clarkos> Any tips on troubleshooting a PCB with a PIC16F2520?
04:27 <Ysjoelfir> well, actually it was that damn microchip ENC28J60 network chip and its 17 pages of silicon errata that crashed my MCU - that damn network chip decided to FUBAR and not give out any interrupt anymore, which resulted in the MCU waiting for new instructions endlessly, while having the heater of the thermal testing chamber that thing was controlling on full power the whole time. and since the network chip FUBARED the poor MCU was sending alarms
04:27 <Ysjoelfir> into the ether for hours, but it didn't reach the server.
04:47 <clarkos> Ouch.
04:52 <Ysjoelfir> troubleshooting a PIC? Thats easy. Use an Atmel :D
05:00 <clarkos> Not my design lol.
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> :P
08:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! I'm going to be ARRESTED! https://t.co/3heKKABzuU
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33:13 <K> hello
33:33 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
34:06 <hsn> hello to both
34:06 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
34:16 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn
34:18 <hsn> gay EEVBlog
34:31 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u got PM ?
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> yes, just responded :D
29:30 <Ysjoelfir> fascinating. I just found a solvent I could use for some cleaning purposes I used another chemical before which is now forbidden in germany. turned out that the "replacement" is also.... kind of difficult, as it can be swallowed and used as a drug -.-
30:55 <K> pfft
32:24 <Halcyon> What is it?
46:14 <hsn> its fcking beeping again
46:56 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xVtfnYY4KLHkWptE9
47:15 <K> it just wants some attention
47:37 <hsn> wtf
47:41 <Ysjoelfir> it is... erm... gamma-butylsomethingsomething
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> also, hi Halcyon
47:51 <hsn> im going to restart
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> gamma-butyrolactone
48:09 <Halcyon> GBH?
48:28 <Ysjoelfir> not quite. but it gets recombined in seconds in your body to gbh, yes
48:34 <Halcyon> Nice machine hsn
48:54 <hsn> nice bcz its beeping or real nice?
50:03 <K> when was the last time you told it that what it does is important and matters and it is doing a great job?
50:13 <Ysjoelfir> XD
50:45 <K> i would beep too!
51:00 <hsn> hagaha
51:08 <K> inconsolably!
51:08 <hsn> beep
51:25 * Ysjoelfir beeps with hsn and K
51:36 * Ysjoelfir drips some of that GBL stuff into Halcyon and makes him join, too
51:43 <hsn> its annoying
51:48 <hsn> it doesnt stop
51:50 <Halcyon> No thanks. I'm not allowed.
52:32 <Ysjoelfir> Nobody here in germany is allowed to do that xD I just want a good solvent, damn it :D
52:33 <K> what is gbh?
52:40 <Halcyon> For what?
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53:09 <Ysjoelfir> its called "liquid exstasy", K. no idea how it works, never used that.
54:09 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - for cleaning rubber coatings on cogs and drums. it is supposedly working realy well for replacing trichlorethylene which I used before but is known to be carcinogenic and now forbidden in germanistan
54:28 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/kz1EJ7ir41e4jezr8
54:33 <hsn> oh man
54:55 <Ysjoelfir> there is a desert in your pc
55:13 <K> it is not happy.
55:34 <hsn> haha
55:56 <hsn> how to clean it .. without distroying it with esd
56:02 <hsn> wipes? no good
56:13 <Ysjoelfir> fart into it with enough force?
56:28 <hsn> stupid windoews still restarting
56:50 <K> does it stop when it boots up fully?
57:12 <K> i've removed the beeper in the olden days
57:15 <hsn> i ve no idea i barely do restarts
57:20 <K> when i was using a pc
57:53 <K> had some wierd intel bios that booted twice as long as regular and beeper was loud af
58:23 <hsn> do pci-E test now
58:36 <hsn> passed
00:50 <hsn> it dudnt stop now im in lenovo boot test utility but now much lower happening
01:27 <hsn> lenovo diagnostic tool whatever its called
03:04 <hsn> hah https://photos.app.goo.gl/ooBcySziKKyrX6Xj7
03:28 <hsn> the guy thinks its a blender
04:11 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D very nice
04:39 <K> dont wanna know what was sticked in there that prompted that message
04:49 <K> might not have been a finger
05:10 <hsn> dick?
05:34 <Ysjoelfir> otoh... I once had a fan (from Delta IIRC?) out of a nice old server. that thing was 80mm and at least 50mm thick. had a power draw of over 30 watts! I tried grinding a cookie with that. worked.
06:23 <hsn> so ur server had lots of cookies
06:30 <K> yeah, i have one on my shelf that my father pulled from an old xerox/copier, 90mm something in dia. im not sticking anything in those blades
06:46 <K> works 220
06:51 <K> (oN)
06:55 <Ysjoelfir> I did stupid thigns with fans... 120mm 230V fan with metal blades
07:02 <Ysjoelfir> got a file and sharpened those blades....
07:08 <hsn> but all cookies where seen by u Ysjoelfir .. no privacy respect ?
07:20 <Ysjoelfir> yes, it works as a carrot cutter.
07:46 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - we're in germanistan. thats like chinas little brothere. THERE IS NO PRIVACY HERE!!!!11111oneelevel :P
09:08 <Halcyon> Yes but encryption isn't banned there is it?
09:19 <Ysjoelfir> no.
10:01 <hsn> UR COOKIE is Our cookie https://images.app.goo.gl/vDXqJXEFb3dk5hsS8
10:43 <K> wasn't there something funny wrt to encryption in Australistan recently, Halcyon?
11:57 <Halcyon> Not really. They want to be able to compel criminals to hand over certain keys (which kind of exists already) and they are improving the way we can obtain data from cloud providers that are outside of Australia.
13:23 <K> ah.
14:13 <K> forgot the password - jail!
14:17 <Halcyon> We rarely break the front-line encryption these days, unless its poorly implemented.
14:30 <damian> i'll break it
14:32 <damian> just lemme at it!
14:36 * damian hulk smash
14:38 <Halcyon> :p
14:44 <Halcyon> Hello damian, long time no see
14:45 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Halcyon!
14:51 <Halcyon> YAY! I won one
15:09 <damian> haha
15:12 <damian> what's cracking
15:30 <Halcyon> Not much mate. Work. Not much else. You?
16:01 <damian> work, still?!
16:23 <hsn> is it ok to wipe the pc with tissue paper
16:25 <hsn> ?
16:38 <damian> as long as the tissue paper hasn't been used
16:39 <Ysjoelfir> only unused ones, hsn
16:50 <hsn> no esd?
53:35 <Halcyon> That's a big cow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBYs53quP8
53:54 <Ysjoelfir> ooooooff
54:15 <K> big oooooof
05:23 <Halcyon> Hahahah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-IEVMwBEfo
05:26 <Halcyon> So well done
07:58 <hsn> guys
08:18 <hsn> so i asked IT for harddrive
08:21 <Ysjoelfir> yes! thats us!
08:37 <Halcyon> How did that go hsn?
08:49 <hsn> and he was surfing a box with lots of hdd and treating them as boxes
09:32 <hsn> like take them .. put them together .. i would be like afraid moving them and putting them the way he is dealing with them ..
09:36 <hsn> and i wanted to ask
10:04 <hsn> is this typical hsn . (where i over think) .. or he is doing somthing really bad
10:05 <hsn> ?
11:17 <hsn> Halcyon i got a question why u dont use onedrive .. and dock station with 2TB hdd that i dont trust to last forever
11:59 <Ysjoelfir> I usually put HDDs in a antistatic bag and just stack them. thats ok I think. you should not throw or bash them off course.
12:45 <Ysjoelfir> I have a 2.5" hdd I once accidentally dropped from my desk. didn't like that. I mean, it still works, but it clicks from time to time, then spins down and spins up again to go back to work
12:54 <Halcyon> Why don't I use Onedrive?
13:00 <Halcyon> Because I have my own NAS
13:17 <TheDude> pull all of the data off that disk asap
13:27 <TheDude> if you have anything valuable on there, ofc
13:44 <K> yeah
14:07 <K> clikckety-clackey, that disk is going to diety
14:18 <Halcyon> I would image it fairly soon
14:32 <Halcyon> Don't even worry about trying to copy shit using Windows explorer, it will probably just crash
14:41 <Ysjoelfir> its doing that for.... 5 years now? and its working in a RAID1, so.... meh.
14:44 <hsn> hah
14:54 <hsn> the hdd he gave me has windows
14:59 <K> you like to live dangerously, i see
15:01 <hsn> and it has company owner user
15:02 <hsn> lol
15:09 <Ysjoelfir> also, the data on that gets copied over to my NAS automatically each day.
15:13 <hsn> thats valuable
15:25 <Ysjoelfir> K always!
15:30 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, keep that! :D
15:53 <Ysjoelfir> could be the key to your companies treasure chest in there :P
16:08 <hsn> so far desktop has chemistry pdf
16:17 <hsn> called energitic
17:47 <hsn> nothing intresting
18:03 <Ysjoelfir> lame :D
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18:51 <Ysjoelfir> then drop that and see if it also starts to click?
19:00 <Ysjoelfir> lets make an empirical study!
20:14 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/Drembel-Proxxon-gebraucht-Werkzeugkoffer-viel-Zubehor-voll-funktionsfahig/264752522450
20:20 <Ysjoelfir> WOAH! Look at that! A "Drembel"!
20:54 <Ysjoelfir> I only knew "Dremel" up until now, that must be the next generation! Also, its not made by Dremel themselves, but by Proxxon!
21:56 <hsn> wtf
22:16 <hsn> there is other user that i think lady of company owners
22:22 <hsn> 130gb of stuff
22:49 <Ysjoelfir> Oo
23:02 <Ysjoelfir> you have absolutely no data protection down there, do you? :D
24:32 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/OgEUhH.jpg
24:50 <Ysjoelfir> ohohoho!
24:54 <Ysjoelfir> thats.... interesting?
25:07 <hsn> :D no good i shouldnt enter
25:18 <hsn> Planning Departmen my part.docx
25:21 <hsn> :D
25:29 <Ysjoelfir> xD
26:43 <hsn> ok thats it i no more enter
26:58 <K> it enters you now
27:00 <hsn> it makes funny sounds
27:09 <hsn> the hdd
27:20 <hsn> how backing up mine is usefull idk
27:55 <hsn> she has few songs folders also
28:04 <hsn> should i re enter and check her taste music ?
28:05 <hsn> :D
28:52 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know what would be so secret about music^^
29:16 <hsn> lol every time i enter a directory
29:23 <hsn> it makes mice sound
29:24 <hsn> xD
29:51 <K> it is infested with vermin
30:04 <K> do you have cockroaches there?
31:10 <hsn> i got no idea
31:18 <hsn> it stopped when i wanted to record it
31:33 <hsn> so probably it has somthing live
31:38 <hsn> that can detect me recording
33:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, .. thats what i was afraid .. he is touching them anywhere .. like he dont distinguesh that he shouldnt touch desk inside .. etc .. and he throw them little hard
33:08 <hsn> on tables
33:13 <hsn> and stack them hard also
33:30 <hsn> now i should copy this lady data or it will be gone
33:31 <hsn> right ?
33:33 <hsn> xD
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33:54 <hsn> Ne
33:56 <hsn> e
33:57 <hsn> r
33:57 <hsn> o
34:14 <hsn> i can type ur name befroe u change ur nickname
35:04 <hsn> so u either DC or very fast ..
47:07 <hsn> woah
47:19 <hsn> my wife got 2000$ today
47:28 <hsn> from king
49:33 <K> huh
49:38 <K> how come?
49:56 <K> is it her birthday or somth?
52:35 <hsn> nah they have somthing like
52:51 <hsn> if ur affected by covid we help u
53:19 <hsn> so since she got fired .. i told her
53:31 <hsn> oooo ooo lets say u was paying part of our rent
54:24 <hsn> and we submitted .. fired letter .. and some transactions to saving account .. and some text describing the stuff
55:00 <hsn> 2300$ actually
57:15 <K> that is nice
57:17 <K> i guess
58:48 <hsn> yeah
00:41 <hsn> its not like i know what are containers http://modernescpp.com/index.php/more-convenience-functions-for-containers-with-c-20
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09:45 <hsn> Ysjoelfir look at the 3d surfing https://www.instagram.com/p/CFtUq04DcIZ/?igshid=627itdw8rz9n
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14:53 <NeroTHz> welp
15:38 <K> what is it
15:47 <K> this time
18:44 <NeroTHz> nothing
18:51 <NeroTHz> I´m just blabbering out random stuff
18:52 <NeroTHz> ignore me
23:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: M. Hanif Azhary: Just another Duracell leaks @eevblog https://t.co/9nLksrRtuO
24:25 * Ysjoelfir ignores NeroTHz as requested
24:37 * Ysjoelfir wants to say hi anyways
25:00 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, you know the way germany handles the "we support you if you are covid affected!"-thing?
25:30 <hsn> not good ? Ysjoelfir
26:40 <Ysjoelfir> well... firstly, they only support companies. (I'm talking only about money, there are social help things, too.) which companies profit the most? exactly, the big ones with lots of smaller sub companies, as each of those can get up to (IIRC) 9000€.
26:57 <Ysjoelfir> you may ask: is that also applicable for freelancer companies like me? yes, it is!
26:58 <Ysjoelfir> but
28:50 <Ysjoelfir> you are only allowed to use that money to support the company. since the companies money of a freelancer is the same as the private money of the freelancer, I might get that money, but if I spend it on eg. food, rent for my appartment which includes my workstation and my lab, my car which is partly a freelancing-companies car, and so on, the government could revoke that money from me and I would have to pay it back instantly.
29:16 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, woah .. private companies here .. got (100% 3 month salary for every bahraini employee) .. and then (3 month 75% salary for every bahraini employee) and now from october (50%)
31:16 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds way more reasonable than our approach. yours could also support smaller companies and one-man-companies, while ours only works for the biggest ones that aren't in trouble anyways.
33:45 <Ysjoelfir> like... there was the case of addidas (i think it was them?) which used a social help, allowing to delay paying rent for "people that are in trouble due to corona". it was like: government says: yep, you can do that. 10 minutes later: Adidas anouncing to delay all rent payments of adidas stores in germany. I think thats not how this was meant to be used....
37:38 <Ysjoelfir> its actually sad. I'm sure our government wants to help the people, and in fact, it is obliged by our constitution to do so, but there are so many companies paying insane amounts of money to bend decisions in their favour, especially also in the european parliment, that it must be hard to do so.
40:37 * Ysjoelfir is now silent as he actually loves his country but is just a bit sad about some things he would love to change :D
43:41 <K> i don't think we had anythling like hsn king did
44:14 <K> but company could apply for money to be paid for employees salary
44:18 <K> up to 700EUR
44:23 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds... ok?
44:28 <Ysjoelfir> at least they are trying :D
44:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: If you are interested in Youtube competitors, check out @utreonapp I now have over 2000 videos on there in original resolution. https://t.co/s8ExLrQvd5
44:47 <hsn> anything u can extract from gvt .. u do ..
44:48 <hsn> :D
45:16 <K> strangely enough i cant find much wrong in how our goverment has handled this situation
45:24 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, its also sad that they support easily .. u feel like the country money is being played with !!
45:30 <Ysjoelfir> btw, K: I just started playing Crusader Kings 3 at home. I decided to play as your king. well. Back in the year 786 or something about that time.
45:42 <hsn> i mean .. its no a feel .. i know .. billions are stolen ..
45:47 <K> um, don't think we actually had a king per se at any time
45:56 <K> Lithuanians did
46:11 <hsn> K, who is ur king .. the lansters ?
46:25 <Ysjoelfir> true, hsn. one has to give credit though as we are still reducing the countries debts. I think :D
46:41 <K> nah, we were thunder worshiping pagans
47:20 <hsn> https://tradingeconomics.com/bahrain/government-debt-to-gdp
48:10 <Ysjoelfir> K - in the game its a rather big-ish kingdom, containing the lithuanians, the latvia...nians and parts of belarus i think? let me see if I remember how it was called
48:57 <Ysjoelfir> Nowgorod
49:05 <K> hm
49:14 <K> not quite historically acurate but eh
49:44 <K> Novgorod is was slavic thing
50:39 <Ysjoelfir> Ah, I just saw on wikipedia that it was supposedly a bit more to the north than where I thought it is :D then you... just don't realy exist in the game I think^^
50:44 <Ysjoelfir> or... hm. wait
51:44 <K> if there is anything to do with livonian order, then that is your best bet
52:16 <K> was a tad later than 780 though
53:45 <Ysjoelfir> https://i.redd.it/4yjbs5bpojy41.jpg thats the biggesto ne I could find. I take a look at it when I'm home again :D seems like there are some small regions where you guys are. I think I'll conquer those. :P
53:58 <Ysjoelfir> also, it was 867. switched the numbers a bit there.
54:13 <Ysjoelfir> (excuse my unknown-ness, I only played it for a few hours yet :P )
54:36 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Looking for new ESD matting for the bench for a clean video background (no more seeing the back of the bench or wall). What colour?
54:44 <hsn> idk what u play .. travian ?
56:17 <hsn> ah too much reading and history it contains
56:46 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xSH0v_DAE6M&feature=emb_logo maybe one can see a bit more in that video. also, I highly suggest anyone to play that game, its realy gorgeous
59:50 <K> Courland/Livonia
59:59 <hsn> i like apex legends where u dont think .. u just shoot and kill .. typical arab
00:05 <K> bh
00:19 <K> can't be that bad
00:35 * Ysjoelfir writes down a memo to conquer Courland/Livonia this evening
00:55 <hsn> hsn's question of the day:: do u guys get somthing like (work breakdown structure) on your work ?
01:25 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - I enjoy mindless shooters from time to time. but in the recent times I am somehow bored from those, so I play games which require many many thoughts to succeed.
01:34 <Ysjoelfir> work breakdown structure?
02:00 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_breakdown_structure
02:11 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_breakdown_structure#/media/File:Work_Breakdown_Structure_of_Aircraft_System.jpg
04:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: https://t.co/CjXRglZX9w
04:55 <Ysjoelfir> ah. nope.
05:15 <hsn> but in ur case ur company does complicated products right ?
05:39 <Ampera> good morning I am not dead
05:43 <hsn> how do they break it down to small pieces to ask ppl to deliver stuff ?
05:52 <Ysjoelfir> Hello not dead, how are you?
05:56 <hsn> good gay Ampera
05:59 <hsn> good day i mean
06:07 <Ampera> :/
06:12 <hsn> 110
06:14 <hsn> :)
08:24 <hsn> i noticed that i can annoy Ampera easily .. but very hard to annoy rust_collector
08:34 <hsn> :>
08:51 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D rusty loves you.
09:02 <Ysjoelfir> So, no dead, how are you? Did you have a good night?
09:03 <Ampera> rust_collector is always annoyed. You just can't annoy someone who is already annoyed.
09:25 <Ysjoelfir> *not dead, sorry for writing your name wrong
09:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Don't know what the grey will look like in real life https://t.co/EjynLGmWG4
10:06 <hsn> "dead" < as u pronounce it .. can mean "single boob" in local slang here
10:12 <Ysjoelfir> lol
11:37 <Ampera> I am alright
11:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The grey also comes in "textured" whatever that means, but might be nice. Anyone got it? https://t.co/sQenP5xH3B
11:53 <Ampera> didn't sleep well, but I'm on the rear end of a very short cold or something
12:16 <Ampera> I had a 102 fever on Sunday, which was over yesterday, and I'm almost better today.
12:24 <Ampera> mostly just a raspy throat
12:25 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
12:35 * Ampera COVID's T3sl4 
12:58 <hsn> T3sl4 u r dead
13:10 * T3sl4 coughs on hsn
13:23 <hsn> no porn no boobs
13:42 <hsn> ok i cant laugh
13:46 <hsn> i have to be serious
14:01 <hsn> as im "saving beeping PC" ..
15:31 <Ysjoelfir> I woke up yesterday with a very bad headache :X so I stayed home. still no covids here though
15:50 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir a cup of tea with honey
16:03 <Ysjoelfir> with covids in it?
16:08 <Ysjoelfir> I love tea.
16:11 <hsn> senior IT manager got covid and the company here is freaking out ..
16:15 * Ysjoelfir slurps on the cup
16:16 <Ysjoelfir> lol
16:19 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a cup of honey with a few drops of tea in it
16:28 <hsn> so they say if u got headache stay home
16:39 <Ampera> is headache even a symptom of COVID?
16:42 <hsn> i could use ur headache Ysjoelfir
16:51 <Ysjoelfir> thats basically how I drink my coffee, Ampera. (honey = milk and sweetener, tea = coffee)
16:53 <Ampera> my life is the definition of a headache
16:58 <T3sl4> headache is a symptom of everything, including nothing
17:06 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think it is. also, its gone now, hsn
17:30 <hsn> i interacted with u
17:40 <hsn> im suspecious to have covid19
17:50 <hsn> i need to go home
18:45 <Ysjoelfir> XD
21:14 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4? I have an idea for which I need a second oppinion.
21:23 <T3sl4> you're also lazy
21:29 <Ysjoelfir> I know, always.
21:47 <T3sl4> ah perfect https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/a67932b2-a88b-4868-841f-1b982798f9b9
22:08 <Ysjoelfir> xD
24:51 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCNTCFSyGcA
25:22 <Ysjoelfir> I want to calibrate my current clamps. Sadly, I don't have a calibrator that can output up to 5000A AC and DC. I thought about building something like..... erm... immagine a big bent macaroni, with grooves for some wire. 1000 turns of wire wrapped evenly around that macaroni and a calibrated current fed through that wire. I should be able to measure eg. 1kA when I feed 1A through that. I think it should be fairly accurate for DC and still
25:22 <Ysjoelfir> kind of accurate for low AC frequencies, as long as I keep the field strength low (eg feeding low currents into that) so that individual turns don't influence each other. am I missing something in that Idea?
25:38 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, so i returned the HDD he gave me in ESD bag
25:45 <hsn> and he took it .. wierdly
25:48 <hsn> :D
25:50 <Ysjoelfir> xD
26:10 <Ysjoelfir> like "what is that damn bag doing there? *takes bag away and tosses HDD onto the pile*"
26:44 <hsn> thats probably will be the case after i left
27:10 <T3sl4> https://www.woutersenwouters.be/sites/default/files/styles/product_detail/public/product_pictures/Fluke%205500A%20Coil%20%282%29.JPG?itok=5RDPXj2E
27:19 <T3sl4> you mean like this bent macaroni?
27:41 <K> what is that
28:04 <T3sl4> a big bent macaroni
28:35 <hsn> not dunut ?
28:37 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: there's no turns interactions, it's just total amps throught he center
29:03 <T3sl4> the clamp might not be perfectly uniform so there is some interest in having the turns evenly distributed
29:15 <hsn> so u do just add amps ?
29:37 <hsn> 50 turns of 10A = 500A ?
31:24 <hsn> and its like connected wires in parallel ? https://snipboard.io/oK46mv.jpg ?
31:40 <hsn> somthing like that ^ ?
32:03 <hsn> i ment series .. wait this is wrong
32:47 <T3sl4> series, it's just a however many turns toroid without the core
33:33 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/uOXx1z.jpg
34:26 <hsn> yeah .. 10 amps through all .. but clamp middle = turns x current ? is it linear relation ship ? hmmmm
51:29 <Ysjoelfir> erm, yes, basically exactly like this device :D
51:45 <Ysjoelfir> (sorry, had an urgent.. urge to visit the toilet)
51:58 <Ysjoelfir> Didn't know those things exist, T3sl4
52:35 <Ysjoelfir> I assume its way more expensive than doint it yourself though?
52:39 <T3sl4> by chance i'd seen one, and figured all you'd need is a visual example to "duh" :)
53:14 <T3sl4> like every other hit is a handmade one :P
53:42 <Ysjoelfir> I tried the principle with just a coil made from rigid wire. works great, but I somehow thought it couldn't be THAT easy and without tons of inaccuracies
56:13 <K> how much does the tingy in that pic cost?
57:01 <T3sl4> no idea, but it's brand name so probably a lot
57:51 <Ysjoelfir> on all websites I found the price was "request quotation" - which is usually a sign for "I am more expensive than what would be reasonable for what I am, so I don't tell you right away."
58:22 <K> prolly yeah :/
58:28 <K> is pretty though
58:44 <Ysjoelfir> true
00:07 <Ysjoelfir> just talked to a workmate who owns my 3D printer to print the "bent macaroni" part in plastic. should give a pretty nice evenly distribution of the wires
03:02 <Ysjoelfir> K - 850$ for a "reconditioned" one. https://accusrc.com/product-Fluke-5500ACoil-9857
04:19 <K> offt
04:56 <Ysjoelfir> thats even a bit more than I thought :D
05:10 <Ysjoelfir> a bit more than I thought for a new one, though
07:42 <NeroTHz> what are we buying?
08:17 <Ysjoelfir> nothing, we are doing stuff ourselves because buying is to expensive \o/
08:22 * T3sl4 buys NeroTHz a shrubbery
08:26 <Ysjoelfir> a what?
08:40 * Ysjoelfir just googled that
08:44 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSMPjMVnAU
08:48 * Ysjoelfir hopes NeroTHz is happy with his new shrubbery
08:55 <electrohead> o/
08:57 <NeroTHz> shrubbery!
09:26 <Ysjoelfir> oooh! i have never watched that in not-german
09:31 <Ampera> Why do retailers always use their own frontends for tracking numbers.
10:03 <Ampera> Walmart, Amazon, Newegg, etc, they'll all send you emails with tracking numbers that are hyperlinks, making them a pain in the ass to copy correctly so you can put it into google and get the actual tracking
10:07 <Ampera> instead of having to log into their stupid shit
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22:09 <electrohead> Ampera: I always wondered the same thing, pretty stupid I think
22:18 <electrohead> and, g'morning
23:58 <hsn> fck the beeping
26:15 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr head and mr. beepfuckerage
26:52 <K> hsn, just rip off the beeper
27:14 <hsn> but then i wont know its happening K :D
27:20 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
27:42 <hsn> morning \oll
27:48 * electrohead hugs Ampera
27:55 <Ampera> <3
28:51 <T3sl4> o/
31:02 * hsn hugs all
36:10 <rust_collector> HEY!!! mr head
36:19 <rust_collector> you other...others
36:29 <electrohead> lol, hello
36:29 <EEVBlog> Hello there, electrohead!
36:45 <electrohead> the bot likes me today, yay
38:03 <hsn> this gay bot likes u everyday .. its just .. dont like to hello too much
38:11 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. rust
39:26 <hsn> mr rust slept late last night
39:46 <hsn> eevblog time @rust_collector
40:00 <hsn> EEVBlog time norway
40:12 * rust_collector *string_empty*
40:32 <electrohead> hello
40:36 <electrohead> lol, hello
40:43 <electrohead> FUCKING HELLO
40:49 <rust_collector> hoi
40:50 <hsn> hello electrohead
40:50 <electrohead> hahahaha
41:02 <electrohead> ok ok, so the bot is tempermental
41:05 <electrohead> :P
41:14 <electrohead> only likes to say hello on it's own terms
41:16 <rust_collector> hello hsn.
41:16 <EEVBlog> Hello there, rust_collector!
41:23 <rust_collector> yes, it likes hsn
41:32 <rust_collector> so there is that
41:35 <electrohead> oh oh, I see, it can only like one person at a time
41:50 <rust_collector> it hates you most of the time. I am not sure why
41:53 <electrohead> wonder what the TTL of liking people, is
41:56 <electrohead> :p
42:14 <coppice> EEVBlog: you suck
42:15 <EEVBlog> You can get that on the internet now?
42:27 <electrohead> hahaha
42:30 <electrohead> howdy coppice
44:22 <hsn> if u say gay 500 times .. eevblog will say somthing intresting ..
44:36 <hsn> i reached 112 now
44:44 <Ysjoelfir> oh no!
45:02 <hsn> i go to lab c u
45:10 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, did you get your spinning machine yet?
45:52 <Ysjoelfir> nah. my uncle will pick it up tomorrow, but I think I'll be at his house at christmas, not much earlyer sadly
49:22 <rust_collector> ok... are you a biker guy now?
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