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46:26 <Nothing\> WOOFREAKINGHOO i finally got those PLL ics i've been waiting on since january, i wound up reordering them cuz i decided the package was never coming
47:12 <K> you can build a house for hamsters from those ics now?
47:16 <Nothing\> actually there were about 15 packages i ordered from ali express in jan/feb that never arrived, i was surprised that so many packages would go missing at the same time cuz i've only ever lost 2 or 3 out of over a hundred, but it was right around chinese new year
48:00 <Nothing\> ooh actually K i was just thinking i should build a food dispenser for them that locks them out if they try to get in too frequently so the little buttmunch chipmunks won't steal them all right away
48:22 <Nothing\> maybe have it based on weight too so if the chipmunk's locked out, the squirrel can stil get some
48:46 <K> animal face recognition ftw!
49:36 <K> cue chipmunks killing the squirrel and wearing it's skin
49:37 <Nothing\> lol i can still barely tell them apart, only way i can tell the black squirrels apart is cuz the one actually has boobs lol
49:41 <Nothing\> i think she's preggers
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52:09 <Nothing\> i also got these SIL resistor arrays, but as far as i can tell it has the resistors all in parallel, which i don't get how that's supposed to be useful
52:31 <Nothing\> i guess it would work fine for an LED bar graph display or something
53:27 <Nothing\> er by parallel i mean they all connect to a single common pin, where i've been trying to find the ones where they're just one their own, if that makes sense
55:58 <K> yea, led bars/segments afaik
56:26 <K> or pullups for massive data lines in tht era
57:23 <Nothing\> well that's what i had in mind when i bought them anyways, it's such a pain setting up resistors on a bar graph display, i've still got one breadboard with a 24 or 32 LED bar graph i made from discrete LEDs for my linear feedback shift register
57:54 <Nothing\> yeah i don't see SIL resistor packs anymore, even in hobbyist projects thugh i don't look at a whole lot of those cuz frankly none of them interest me
00:33 <Nothing\> been trying to get this max7219 based matrix module i bought working but the arduino IDE's being a butt munch about the library, i specifically included the header file, it seemed to indicate that it understood by including a second tab for the header, but then when i tried to compile it tells me the header doesn't exist, well then what on earth did you open in that tab? lol
01:27 <K> arduino's ide is wierd
01:47 <K> but i am biased, as i've used propper ides for most of my life
02:01 <Nothing\> difficulties with libraries is probably the one thing that's turned me off of arduino, ever time i have trouble with it, initially i had issues because it doesn't let you use libraries with special characters in the name, but every single library you download from github has underscores for spaces
02:29 <Nothing\> yeah i really love codeblocks, but unfortunately it doesn't work properly on raspbian so i haven't had much chance to code actual c++
02:31 <K> difficulties with libraries mostly stem from c/c++ lack of propper module system
02:50 <Nothing\> well in this case it's just the IDE not being able to find them, despite me specifically telling it where they are
03:02 <Nothing\> find/recognize
03:07 <K> fwiw iv've had quite nice expirience with platformio in this regard
03:34 <Nothing\> hrm wonder if it'd have an ARM linux port, i'm just using a pi as my only computer atm so i'm kind of limited in my choices
03:46 <Nothing\> though i've gotta say, the amount of choices i do have is nice
04:17 <K> why are you limited to rpi as main computer?
05:30 <Nothing\> it's a long story, but suffice it to say i have plans in the works to replace it
06:09 <K> ok
06:19 <K> ah, i recall, ok
06:23 <Nothing\> i have a lot of expensive things i need to get though, function generator, a GOOD oscilloscope, that is not this crappy $15 jyetech one that doesn't even trigger on events faster than 100us, a power supply, the computer, i wanted to get a switch
06:39 <Nothing\> yeah it's unpleasant but i'm actually happy with how things turned out, it could have been much worse
07:09 <K> yea, i'm on the fence about scope
07:26 <K> r&s rtb2k series look so nice
07:34 <Nothing\> well i've gotta say, this $15 one isn't the greatest, but compared to nothing it's a real godsend
07:34 <K> but expensive
07:55 <Nothing\> yeah i haven't got any clue what i would get, techtronix sticks out, or rigol
08:04 <Nothing\> but aside from the brand i haven't thought about it much
08:07 <K> and r&s is not hackable, afaik
08:44 <K> tektronix new series look intersting, but prolly even more expensive than r&s
08:45 <Nothing\> huh i never thought about a hackable scoe
09:08 <Nothing\> i bet this jyetech one i have is hackable, i noticed some pins on the board yesterday for UART which is definitely something that isn't a normal feature of it
09:29 <Nothing\> i think it just uses a PIC anyways
09:53 <K> might be icsp pins or somth
10:17 <Nothing\> my uni-t multimeter has one of those communication things on it with the flashing LEDs, i forget what it's called
14:06 <Nothing\> weird, i'm checking the resistances on this SIL array, the first resistor is 470, which is what it's supposed to be, but then every resistor after that is 940
14:33 <Nothing\> unless i'm probing the wrong pin as the common one
14:58 <Nothing\> oh yeah there it goes, dur
17:03 <Nothing\> shoulda got these in 1k, 470's always been my sorta go-to value for LEDs when i can't be bothered to work out specific values, but it gets awfully toasty on a 9v supply so i've started using 1k instead for that purpose
20:43 <K> https://uk.farnell.com/bourns/4608x-101-102lf/resistor-network-1k/dp/9356363
20:54 <K> nvm the punds in price
21:05 <K> about a 1$ i'd guess
21:30 <Nothing\> oh i don't mind prices in GBP, i convert all the time between yank and cad and gbp
22:31 <Nothing\> not too bad, let's see what i paid for these
22:44 <Lartza> dollar exchange rate isn't that bad ;P
22:54 <Nothing\> i know these PLL chips i got were about 10 cents each, pisses me off i had to go to so much trouble to get something that's so cheap
24:26 <Nothing\> it'd be nice if i could sign into ali express without my browser freezing, this site is so problematic
26:32 <K> bazillion trackers
29:27 <Nothing\> 5.6 cents each, jeez that was a hassle to get into ali express to find that
29:33 <Nothing\> that's CAD
31:02 <Nothing\> i love how electronics are so cheap these days, i mean you're not gonna find ANYTHING these days that costs a nickel, much less something with as much potential as a transistor or such
31:23 <K> hm, it depends
31:38 <K> if you need the parts tomorrow and need them to be working 100%
31:48 <K> it is not exactly peanuts
31:59 <Nothing\> only thing i can think of is at the convenience stores the used to have bins of candies you could get for 5 cents each, stuff like sour keys and such
33:44 <Nothing\> yeah i don't think ali express has any options for next day shipping, they've got DHL and FEDEX listed in the options but the timeframe listed is 7-15 days, for like $50 shipping cost, which i don't get cuz the regular paid shipping is only $5 and it's still the same time frame, still has tracking, so i don't get what the difference is
34:03 <Nothing\> other than maybe being more reliable
34:59 <K> how much is shippin from, say, mouser in US?
35:38 <Nothing\> mouser is actually one of the few companies i've looked into, as i recall the shipping was a $20 flat rate for orders under, i think it was $50
35:59 <Nothing\> ali express has free shipping for orders smaller than i think it's 1 ounce
36:32 <Nothing\> i guess China has a deal with western countries where they've got this program to provide free shipping for goods
37:02 <K> in eu we have farnell, which is like 5eur for next-next day
37:29 <K> it is newark in usa
37:41 <Nothing\> it's good too cuz the way they group your orders together, you have to pay separate shipping costs for every individual item you order, even if it's from the same company, so if i bought say 3 items, i'd pay 3 times the shipping if i went for paid shipping
37:56 <Lartza> Nothing\, CN government subsidizes their postage and chinese packets hurt your local post company
38:02 <Nothing\> damn 5eu is pretty good for next day shipping, but i can get that if it's the same company
38:09 <Nothing\> Lartza: how's that?
38:13 <Lartza> How's what?
38:24 <Nothing\> how does it hurt my local post services?
38:32 <Lartza> Your local company gets no money from the packet
38:35 <Lartza> Or almost no money
38:48 <Lartza> Since the volume isn't the same to china than it is from
39:15 <Lartza> So they have nothing to negotiate on, how do you think your local post company makes money from something you pay 1$ to china?
39:37 <Nothing\> that has nothing to do with the shipping though, at least it's not caused by the free shipping, but rather it's the cause OF the free shipping, there would be a high volume either way the free shipping does probably create a highER volume though
39:53 <Nothing\> but yeah you bring up a great point, i never actually thought about that before
40:01 <Lartza> Free shipping is caused by the CN government paying for it
40:04 <K> https://www.newark.com/help-delivery-information
40:16 <Nothing\> Lartza: right so the money's there either way
40:28 <Lartza> It pays the chinese companies not your post company :/
40:31 <Nothing\> whether it comes from the person ordering, or the chinese government providing a subsidy
40:37 <K> "*$7.99 flat rate ground shipping on all orders 2lbs. or less within the continental United States"
41:15 <Nothing\> yeah but if you're ordering from a company, Lartza and you pay say $5 shipping, how much of that, if any, actually makes it to the post office on the receiving end? and how?
41:23 <Nothing\> that's what this has me really curious about
41:46 <Nothing\> i should look into this now, you've piqued my curiosity
41:47 <Lartza> From country-level agreements I think, between the post companies
41:55 <Lartza> At least afaik
42:06 <Nothing\> that would make sense
42:53 <Lartza> The swedish post company for instance has started or plans to charge you for receiving chinese packages
43:08 <Lartza> Here in finland the postal company loses millions per year from chinese packets
43:19 <rust_collector> norway got a deal going earlier this year
43:59 <Nothing\> that's really interesting Lartza, i hadn't considered any of this before
44:16 <K> millions are not that much i would argue
44:33 <Nothing\> depends how many millions
44:35 <Lartza> K, 1,6mil net income
44:43 <Lartza> For the whole company, 2017
44:47 <K> ok
44:51 <Nothing\> besides, whether it's a small amount or not, it adds up
45:04 <Nothing\> that's $1.6M that could go to social services
45:18 <Lartza> Sure it's government owned so it's technically from the government's budget then which is larger but compared to the post company's net income it's a lot
45:39 <Lartza> Right I meant 1,6mil€ is their yearly net income
45:46 <Lartza> So if they lose even a million that's more than half of that
45:51 <Lartza> That they could be making
45:52 <Nothing\> one thing i've been wondering about, the way they deliver mail in most urban places here is they have a communal mailbox with units for each house, right
45:53 <rust_collector> do you still have state owned post in finland-land?
45:57 <Lartza> Yes
46:03 <rust_collector> interesting
46:09 <K> as it should be
46:11 <Nothing\> but i always see these signs in peoples' windows saying "bring back door to door" referring to door to door mail delivery
46:20 <Lartza> As we do other companies, like oil, electricity
46:24 <Nothing\> which i don't get, why is door to door delivery a good thing?
46:25 <Lartza> Our grid was sold unfortunately :S
46:58 <Lartza> And telephone company too
47:02 <Nothing\> as far as i can tell door to door takes more man hours than communal mailboxes, which translates into saved taxes
48:22 <Nothing\> ah i'm so excited about these PLL chips i got, i dunno what i wanna do with them aside from making a frequency doubler or using the VCO section for something i forget what it was now
48:42 <rust_collector> we are going to mail delivery every other day, or maybe every 3rd day. I dunno how this will go for the posties
49:15 <Lartza> We don't get mail on mondays anymore I don't think in Finland
49:16 <Nothing\> i've been trying to find an IC based VCO for ages to no avail, i found these 74ls624 VCOs but they're like $50 for a tube of 10 on ali express, dunno why they're so expensive
49:38 <Lartza> Maybe businesses but at least not us citizens
49:47 <Nothing\> Lartza: that's weird, where do you live? we don't get mail on the weekends here, so i thought it was really weird when i learned that the US gets mail on saturdays
49:52 <rust_collector> businesses are different
49:56 <Lartza> Oh sorry, we don't get mail on tuesdays
50:08 <Nothing\> i live in canada btw
50:10 <Lartza> Nothing\, Finland, saturdays packets sometimes get moved but
50:12 <Lartza> Not mail
51:04 <rust_collector> we had 6 days delivery of everything, until a few years ago. now we do not get anything on saturdays, and no packages to the door on fridays
51:29 <Lartza> Packages don't get to door on saturdays I don't think but to pickup locations sometimes
51:31 <Nothing\> hey, what's the syntax for a finnish phone number?
51:47 <rust_collector> well, we can use the swedish/danish post, and get stuff on saturdays, lol
51:49 <Lartza> Like a landline? I don't really know :S
52:03 <Nothing\> Lartza: no just any phone number, like what's the basic format?
52:26 <Lartza> xxx xxx xxxx GSM
52:39 <K> we get post on all week days
52:41 <Lartza> First three are kind of the carrier, but you can move so
52:47 <Nothing\> oh weird i woulda figured you'd have had different phone numbers
52:51 <K> and post offices work in saturdays as well
53:03 <K> but probably not in small towns
53:14 <Lartza> Nothing\, That's why country codes exist
53:35 <Nothing\> yeah that's the basic way it works here, you've got the first 3 digits for the area code, depending on what part of the country they live in, then the 4th and 5th, and maybe 6th i'm not sure digits refer to the exchange
54:06 <Nothing\> Lartza: well the area code's distinct from a country code, it's like a country code though, just for a smaller region and only within the same country
54:22 <Lartza> Uhh well landlines are just 7 digits, or two for region plus seven
54:23 <Nothing\> so you'd have the country code first, then the area code
54:28 <Lartza> GSM doesn't have area codes
54:36 <rust_collector> that is how it used to be here as well. oh well, they are shutting down landlines in a few years anyway
54:49 <K> rust_collector, where is that?
54:54 <rust_collector> norway
54:57 <K> hmm
55:32 <K> i hope they dont get wise here as weel
55:44 <Lartza> Wise?
55:45 <Nothing\> ah, here the way it used to work is you could dial the number without the area code for local calls, but now they've run out of phone numbers so they had to introduce a second area code for this region and made it mandatory to dial the area code with the number, so phone numbers are always 10 digits here
56:04 <Lartza> Nothing\, Well yes that's how it works for landlines here too
56:10 <Nothing\> but yeah, they'll implement a second area code if they run out of numbers locally
56:13 <Lartza> But I haven't called a landline number in at least 10 years
56:15 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/QXtHteW.gif
56:30 <Nothing\> are landline numbers different from cell numbers Lartza ?
56:34 <Lartza> Yes?
56:47 <Lartza> two digit area code plus seven digits
56:59 <Lartza> or no area code if same area
57:13 <Nothing\> how are they different? here they're pretty well the same
57:16 <Nothing\> oh nm
57:22 <Nothing\> you answered already, i'm a slow typist
57:30 <Lartza> GSM is three digit carrier identifier, seven digits :P
57:48 <Lartza> Pretty much always starts with 0 though, and the identifier doesn't change if you move to another carrier
58:10 <Nothing\> 0 here is what you dial to get the operator, or at least you did, i dunno what it does now
58:22 <Lartza> So you know 050 originates from Elisa, and 040 from Telia but not what the person is using now
59:08 <rust_collector> my telia number is 49:::::: just to make it more interesting
59:20 <Nothing\> only use i ever had for it was i'd call the operator to place a collect call from a pay phone as a way of contacting somebody without having to pay, you could just say a short message when it asks for your name so when it tells the receiving party who called, they just hear your message
59:22 <rust_collector> 48, not 49
59:36 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what else you'd call the operator for
59:37 <Lartza> rust_collector, Six digits??
59:42 <rust_collector> 8
59:46 <Lartza> Right but
59:53 <Nothing\> hey, what's your emergency number there? 999?
59:55 <Lartza> 040 + seven digits is here
59:57 <Lartza> 112
00:03 <Lartza> ^ emergency
00:04 <Nothing\> oh weird
00:26 <Lartza> *is Telia here
00:35 <Lartza> Sonera originally of course
00:37 <K> 112 emergency in alll of eu
00:37 <Nothing\> the reason they made it 911 here was they wanted a number that's easy to dial but won't be at risk of dialing accidentally, so they went with 2 numbers that are far apart on the keypad
00:56 <K> doesn't 911 predate keypads?
01:02 <Nothing\> i don't think so
01:14 <Nothing\> the technical term is touch tone dialing
01:23 <Lartza> K, Not true, 999 in UK
01:24 <K> otoh 9 and 1 is quite apart on dial as well
01:36 <K> Lartza, 112 does not redirect>
01:36 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
01:37 <K> ?
01:38 <rust_collector> we have 110, 112, and 113, but you can call 911, I think, but I never tried to
01:52 <Lartza> K, Pretty much everything redirects everywhere :)
01:57 <K> yay!
01:57 <Lartza> You should be able to call 112 in the US
02:02 <Lartza> And hopefully get to the emergency number
02:09 <Lartza> I think you definitely can call 911 in the EU
02:14 <Nothing\> i found out the other day though that the area codes of big cities are numbers that would have been dialed faster on a rotary dial, so i think it's new york got 212 cuz you only needed to wait for a total of 5 clicks of the rotary mechanism
02:19 <Nothing\> hey Ampera how you doing today?
02:24 <Ampera> tired
02:34 <Nothing\> that sucks man, didn't sleep enough last night?
02:39 <Ampera> nope
02:48 <K> sleep is for the weak!
02:50 <Nothing\> i've been averaging maybe 5 hours of sleep a night but thankfully i can still function and not feel too crummy
04:26 <Ampera> I think I had like 2 hours of sleep
06:58 <Nothing\> that's rough
07:07 <Nothing\> hopefully you can have a nap later on
07:31 <Ampera> naps don't work
07:34 <Ampera> they just make me more tired
07:43 <Ampera> since I have to go through waking up all over again, but with even less energy
07:46 <Nothing\> i hate having naps myself cuz for some reason i feel absolutely awful for the first couple of hours after i wake up, i get really anxious, shaky, lethargic, just overall unpleasant feeling
08:15 <Nothing\> you might be sleeping too long, i read you're only supposed to nap for 20 minutes or so, though frankly it takes me longer than that just to fall asleep so i try to shoot for an hour
08:39 <Nothing\> but if i let myself i could nap for 5 or 6 hours at a time, but then i feel REALLY crummy when i get up
09:07 <Nothing\> ah thank god for benzocaine, got another tooth that's gone absessed
09:18 <Ampera> One strange thing I've noticed about being tired is that my mind gets into a state where I don't feel awake, I feel on.
09:47 <Ampera> idk if that makes any sense
10:41 <Nothing\> hrm i can't say i've ever experienced that, but one thing i've noticed myself is that i get a lot more anxious if i'm tired, apparently when you're sleep deprived your body pumps out extra noradrenaline so as to keep you awake cuz it figures there's a good reason you're staying awake
11:30 <Nothing\> the worst is if i'm watching youtube and i nod off between videos, then i get jolted out of my nod by some loud, annoying advert
11:37 <Ampera> I think what I'm describing is a, more than usual, numbing of my sense of awareness.
11:52 <Ampera> I tend to feel dissociated, detached, as if my body is moving without me.
12:04 <Ampera> I feel like that anyways, but particularly when I am tired.
12:12 <Nothing\> ah okay, yeah dissociation is probably a good word to describe it
12:18 <Nothing\> like autopilot?
12:41 <Nothing\> ugh orajel tastes awful
13:47 <Nothing\> guess i can take some tylenol for this too, but i think if advil and methadone don't even put a dent in it, tylenol probably won't help much either
14:44 <Ampera> eh, autopilot doesn't connect in the same way, but I guess so
15:29 <Nothing\> oh yeah i finally got my cd4046 PLL chips today, only been waiting on them since january, except i wound up just reordering it cuz i've decided those packages probably aren't coming if they haven't arrived yet
16:04 <Nothing\> just sucks, i had 15 packages that all went missing where other than that i've only had maybe 3 things out of over 100 that didn't come
16:42 <Ampera> have an appointment with my therapist today
18:41 <Ampera> Nothing\, lol, just saw a twitter posed about a post that was delete from r/unpopularopinion
18:53 <Ampera> because, get this, the opinion was too unpopular
19:20 <Nothing\> lol nice
19:28 <Nothing\> gl with your therapist though, i hope you get what you need out of it
19:44 <Ampera> probably won't, but who knows
19:45 <Nothing\> i'm glad you're still at least trying
19:57 <Ampera> The opinion, however, is actually pretty interesting: https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1134117558443958277
20:38 <Nothing\> lol yeah that is
20:53 <Nothing\> anywho i suddenly crave some onion rings so i'm gonna run out to harvey's
20:58 <Ampera> alright, ciao
21:01 <Nothing\> i'll bbiab, take care man
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56:12 <Nothing\> rofl whenever the chipmunk fills his cheeks with peanuts i can hear them rattling around in their shells when he runs
15:25 <rust_collector> maybe you should try to give them something else?
21:01 <Nothing\> i've been keeping an eye out for pecans, apparently squirrels really love those
21:38 <Nothing\> but every so often whenever i run out of peanuts i'll try giving them peanut butter or crappy organic crackers that nobody eats, sometimes they eat them but the sparrows seem to be the only ones who really like that sorta stuff
21:56 <Nothing\> i was thinking about the fact that they only ever eat peanuts though
23:08 <Nothing\> i've tried putting out peanut butter on rice cakes too, the squirrels will eat the peanut butter sometimes but they seem to have a hard time with it being so dry
24:48 <Nothing\> it's funny, they won't even eat the peanuts if i take them out of the shell cuz they like to use the shell as a little cup for it while they eat it, they'll gnaw the top off and eat the peanut while it's still sitting in the shell
26:43 <rust_collector> that is because you keep feeding them peanuts, and they don't have paper plates to eat off
26:54 <rust_collector> I wonder if they like sunflower seeds?
27:11 <Nothing\> that's not a bad idea, i should look into that
27:24 <Nothing\> i keep telling my mom to get some bird seed, maybe then the birds'll stop eating so many peanuts
27:24 <rust_collector> yeah, tiny paper plates
28:12 <rust_collector> peanuts are for beer, chicken and pizza...
28:32 <rust_collector> hmm, otoh, sunflower seeds is for russians.
28:48 <Nothing\> this starling keeps trying to eat the peanuts but it doesn't seem to know what it's doing cuz it just sits there smacking it against the ground over and over again, or sometimes they'll get one stuck on their beak and i'll see this starling running around my backyard with a peanut on its head
29:03 <rust_collector> teach a squirrel to eat meat. Or the birds. that would be something
29:34 <Nothing\> i realized today the starling has a baby, it brought it over this morning but it was still all grey and fuzzy, though it could fly
29:46 <Nothing\> lol i've always wanted to feed bacon to a pig
30:03 <rust_collector> a pig will probably eat that
30:20 <Nothing\> yeah trey parker and matt stone did it on one of the south park dvds
30:56 <rust_collector> does the pigs bacon get more bacony if you feed it bacon?
31:59 <rust_collector> or does the pig grow a beard and sunglasses, and a shirt, and go around drinking coffee and ipa?
37:35 <Nothing\> lol get like 10th generation bacon where you have a pig that's been fed bacon from a pig that's been fed bacon and so on for 10 generations of this
45:27 <DHess_US> Alka Seltzer, chipmonks love Alka Seltzer.
46:10 <DHess_US> Paint some small 3V lithium coin cells peanut color.
46:46 <DHess_US> Feed bacon to a pig? Buy breakfast for a cop.
47:25 <DHess_US> For the record, I know from personal experience that when cooked, we sizzle and smell like bacon.
55:58 <Nothing\> are you saying you're a cop, DHess_US?
59:18 <DHess_US> No, I'm saying I had surgery on my wrist with only local anathesia.
59:41 <Nothing\> ah, cool i always wondered what burning flesh smells like
59:46 <Nothing\> really, i'm not being sarcastic lol
59:59 <DHess_US> It sizzles and smells like bacon.
00:01 <Nothing\> you always hear it mentioned in books or movies sometimes
00:07 <DHess_US> Which is why canabals eat "long pig".
00:40 <Nothing\> yeah i've heard my flesh sizzle before when i accidentally touched my hand to the top heating element on my oven when i was trying to take something out bare-handed
00:59 <Nothing\> i didn't smell anything though, maybe the smoke was contained in the oven
03:03 <rust_collector> I guess something else smelled more
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46:31 * Halcyon scratches Ampera
49:51 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
50:13 <Halcyon> What's doing?
51:08 <Ampera> uhhhhh
51:10 <Ampera> not much
52:40 <Halcyon> I'm about to tear down my LAN today and re-do the cabling in my rack and set up VLANs
53:05 <Ampera> sounds fun, I'd (if I were there) would love to help.
53:11 <Ampera> I love setting up infrastructure
53:16 <Halcyon> :)
53:48 <Halcyon> I started playing with VLANs a while ago but it's unfinished and kind of a mess, so I want to get it all sorted
55:24 <Ampera> There's no justification for VLANs for me, and the routing sounds like it's a pain in the ass
55:48 <Halcyon> I have quite a few devices which have no business being on the internet
55:53 <Halcyon> Print servers, TVs etc...
56:11 <Ampera> I do not have a single network attached device that doesn't need the internet
56:29 <Ampera> with the only possible exception being the printer
56:33 <Halcyon> I also want to isolate my wireless clients, they don't need full access to the LAN either
03:39 <DHess_US> The point is with a VLAN, you can give them all access to the internet without giving them access to each other or anything else on your network.
04:42 <DHess_US> I upgraded my network a couple months ago to support VLANs but my router doesn't have the performance to handle it yet.
05:09 <Ampera> DHess_US, the issue I have with that is the entire point of a network is to allow the easy and instant communication with other computers
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05:37 <Ampera> Not that they don't have genuine uses, it's just that they don't apply to my usecase scenarios
06:04 <DHess_US> Sure. But with a VLAN setup, you can use your router to define exactly what that access is between devices.
07:14 <DHess_US> All traffic then goes through the router instead of through the switch.
07:31 <DHess_US> Well, it still goes through the switch, but not to anything except the router.
07:58 <Halcyon> Yeh a flat network works for you Ampera
08:05 <Ampera> Get that, the issue is on my network, I want the ability to have any device communicate unhindered with any other device
08:14 <Ampera> which, as I said, is the point of a network in my eyes
08:51 <DHess_US> So configure it that way on the router with default permit and only write exceptions.
09:00 <Halcyon> See I don't. I don't want some of my devices to access other resources on my LAN, for example, almost nothing needs to access any of the management interfaces on servers, switches, routers etc...
09:18 <Halcyon> I also want to completely block internet access for some devices that don't need it
12:28 <DHess_US> Default SHUT ... DOWN ... EVERYTHING!
12:55 <Halcyon> Yep
13:18 <Halcyon> Well that's the default rule on pfSense, everything gets blocked unless you tell it otherwise
14:22 <DHess_US> That would be my preference but my router isn't up to it yet.
15:01 <DHess_US> It might be able to route 100Mb/sec but no way can it route 1Gb/sec
15:10 <DHess_US> Just need to upgrade the hardware.
15:16 <Halcyon> *nod*
15:26 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to the shops to get dinner things
15:31 <Ampera> ciao
15:35 <DHess_US> I've got a spare Pentium4 box but I doubt it could do it either.
16:06 <DHess_US> But maybe I should test it.
16:11 <Halcyon> You'd be surprised DHess_US. pfSense can run just fine on relatively low-spec hardware
16:15 <Halcyon> pfsense hardware requirements
16:19 <Halcyon> I mean
16:19 <Halcyon> https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/book/hardware/minimum-hardware-requirements.html
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16:38 <DHess_US> I'm running m0n0wall.
16:53 <Halcyon> A 1.7 GHz machine with 2GB RAM will do almost 1 Gbit
16:57 <DHess_US> And guess what, those requirements are greater than what I'm using now.
17:19 <DHess_US> 450MHz P2 with 384M
17:29 <DHess_US> Which is way larger than m0n0wall requires.
17:44 <Halcyon> Sure, but you're seeing the limitations of that hardware with throughput
17:56 <Halcyon> pfSense will run on that too, how well is the questioin
17:56 <DHess_US> I know that. That's why I said I need to upgrade the hardware.
18:19 <DHess_US> My backup router is the mentioned P4.
18:28 <Halcyon> *nod*
18:31 <Halcyon> Anyway, back soon
18:37 <DHess_US> Takes about 15 minutes to swap it over.
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52:11 * Halcyon noms on a handful of blueberries
52:29 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
52:33 <Halcyon> Hi Ampera
52:47 <Ampera> mmm, it's midnight
52:52 <Ampera> gonna make dinner tonight and tomorrow night
53:02 <Halcyon> What you making?
53:31 <Ampera> good question
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49:02 <steve30> hi
55:47 * steve30 hugs HappyLoaf 
56:34 <steve30> I intended to hug Halcyon, but he quit and my tab complete selected the wrong person :D. I guess happyloaf can have a hug too :).
56:49 <Ampera> rip
15:57 <DHess_US> Dude, you just got HappyLoaf all over you. HappyLoaf is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil and you don't want any on you.
30:00 <steve30> does that mean i can be evil now?
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03:00 <Halcyon> Gah, these firewall rules are annoying me
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21:45 <steve30> hi Halcyon
21:52 <Halcyon> Heya Steve
37:36 <steve30> I really don't know why my mum likes to put the washing machine on before she goes to work
40:28 <steve30> I don't think she understands the concept that midday/afternoon = sunshine = free electricity
40:54 <Halcyon> Do you have peak/off-peak metering or solar?
41:04 <steve30> solar
41:56 <Halcyon> I don't understand the confusion then? By using the appliances during the day, you're using what your solar is generating, rather than importing it from the grid
42:41 <steve30> She goes out to work at 7am ish when there is no solar power.
42:55 <Halcyon> Oh right, sorry
42:58 <steve30> well, very little. About 300W atm
43:01 <Halcyon> I thought she was putting it on during the day
43:09 <Halcyon> She could just set a timer?
43:56 <steve30> yes. Or she could have just left it and I would have done it this afternoon like I've been planning to all week.
44:18 <steve30> Because I will have to hang the washing out and I'm not going to get chance to do it till this afternoon anyway
46:33 * steve30 cuddles up to Halcyon 
46:44 <Halcyon> Aww *cuddles*
46:54 * steve30 purrs
51:25 <steve30> i think i'll get a coffee
07:34 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
07:45 <T3sl4> mmm, pizza
07:52 <T3sl4> pub pizza, at that
30:29 <Halcyon> My tummy is upset :(
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45:25 <steve30> aww
45:30 <steve30> what did you do to it?
45:58 * T3sl4 marinates Halcyon in vodka
46:02 <T3sl4> that should definitely help!
47:49 <Halcyon> I think I didn't heat up leftovers properly
47:56 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I already had a shot of Vodka ;-)
49:20 <steve30> I need to ring the doctors this morning
49:39 <T3sl4> the heating up of leftovers is not as important as refrigerating them quickly is
52:42 <Halcyon> That's true T3sl4
53:06 <Halcyon> The worst seems to have passed
53:10 <Halcyon> Alcohol helps :P
53:15 <T3sl4> maybe it was just gas :P
53:23 <Halcyon> Oh, it wasn't just gas :P
53:34 <T3sl4> oh, condensed gas?
53:41 <Halcyon> Extremely
54:36 <T3sl4> oh, the heating was a few hours ago then :P
54:46 <Halcyon> Indeed
56:01 * T3sl4 pats Halcyon on the head, hands him a blanket and a glass of water
56:34 <Halcyon> I'm on the wine :)
56:36 <Halcyon> It's doing me good
56:41 <T3sl4> :P
06:36 <steve30> That's my prescription ordered.
06:55 <Halcyon> YAY
07:10 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
07:25 <T3sl4> that's my perscription :P
08:25 <steve30> Doctors secretary said "Is that Mr Coates?" when I phoned. I guess my voice is fairly distinctive.
08:40 * steve30 hugs T3sl4 
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12:00 <T3sl4> rats, it's been long enough since i've watched one of your videos to remember your voice :/
19:02 <Halcyon_> ?
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19:22 <T3sl4> "I guess my voice is fairly distinctive."
19:50 <Halcyon> Whose voice?
20:02 <T3sl4> oh, you missed that
20:03 <T3sl4> (3:16:00 AM) steve30: Doctors secretary said "Is that Mr Coates?" when I phoned. I guess my voice is fairly distinctive.
20:11 <Halcyon> Ahh
21:05 <steve30> I've got Mrs Davies' grass to cut shortly
21:55 <T3sl4> weakest euphamism ever
22:05 <Halcyon> Hahah you are so English Steve :)
22:13 <Halcyon> It's cute
27:51 <steve30> I've got a nice piece of salmon for dinner later
27:58 <T3sl4> ooh
28:01 <Halcyon> Nice
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04:04 <K> hello
08:50 <DogWomble> hi k!
10:26 <K> yes!
19:35 <steve30> hi
57:12 <DogWomble> hi steve30
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51:57 <rust_collector> wow, the auto vs manual transmission thread has no new posts today. That only leaves the linux vs winders thread. Coffee is done
53:03 <K> time to start tabs vs spaces
53:41 <rust_collector> I once started an ar or ak thread, in a car forum. that was also pretty...long
29:03 <Lartza> Never driven an automatic, automatic is better
29:13 <Lartza> :P
29:23 <Lartza> Unless you're racing
29:39 <rust_collector> depends on what kind of racing
30:03 <Lartza> Well the take is, you're not racing when you are commuting, or going on a sunday ride
30:54 <rust_collector> my take is that the automated manuals are crap
31:12 <Lartza> Automated manual? :D
31:41 <rust_collector> yes
32:12 <Lartza> Wait what, automatic clutch but manual shifting?
32:15 <Lartza> semi-automatic?
32:24 <rust_collector> it is just a regular old manual box, with some kind of servo or hydraulic shifting and clutching
32:38 <Lartza> Well that sounds crap too
33:12 <rust_collector> in most cases, they work almost like an auto, but they are easily confused
34:34 <rust_collector> most of our trucks have that now.
34:48 <Lartza> I see, not a big car person and haven't heard of such transmissions
35:18 <Lartza> I mean I watch grand tour but well yeah, computers are more of my thing ;)
36:08 <rust_collector> well, you can look at any man truck, trying to get into a roundabout, in a bit of traffic. it is pretty entertaining
37:27 <rust_collector> aaah. so that was 2 weeks off from work. I have done almost nothing
38:53 <Lartza> MAN trucks? I don't think they are too common here
39:02 <Lartza> It's all Scania and Volvo
39:35 <rust_collector> scania uses the same system, but on their own gearboxes, and they are much much better programmed
40:20 <rust_collector> the volvos actually work pretty good, but they did design the entire transmission to be an automated thing from the start
42:57 <rust_collector> so, that is the one thing that works well on a volvo. Well, you have the warning lights on the dash, they are pretty much always working
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