// #eevblog — 2019-05-02
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18:37:07 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVBlog - www.eevblog.com
18:37:07 Set By: (lego.jp.austnet.org) on: Sun Mar 17 01:18:37 2019
18:39:42 <T3sl4> Halcyon, would've thought a gay man like you loves anise
18:42:30 <Halcyon> That's anus (said in the accent of Borat)
18:49:25 * Ampera throws a jaffa cake at T3sl4's face
18:49:47 * T3sl4 's face momentarily turns into the gaping maw of a black hole
19:02:08 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon, I'm at a shooting range
19:02:24 Quit: hsn ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
19:03:07 <Ampera> unfortunately not a real one, but Pavlov VR is pretty damn good
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19:09:24 <Halcyon> Oh kew
19:09:32 <Halcyon> I used to work at a laser tag place when I was a teen
19:09:34 <Halcyon> That was great fun
19:28:56 <Ampera> I don't like jaffas but I can't stop eating them
19:28:56 <Ampera> what the fuck is this sorcery
19:28:56 <Ampera> It's too sweet and chocolatey for me, but I still can't stop eating them
19:28:56 <T3sl4> you don't like life but you keep living what is this fuckery
19:28:56 <Ampera> stop drawing analogies or I'll draw your foreskin across a five mile gap
19:30:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, when I turn 18 I plan to go shooting, somewhere.
19:30:13 <Halcyon> OK ?
19:30:14 <Ampera> I'd like to find a place that has an M1 Garand I can use.
19:30:23 <Ampera> just telling you?
19:30:48 <Ampera> you've confused me with your confusion Halcyon, I hate it when people do that to me.
19:35:59 <Halcyon> I don't care what you hate
19:36:04 <Halcyon> Accept my confusion
19:36:20 <Stiff> you can come shooting with me Ampera
19:36:54 <Stiff> going to head out friday after work, cull some roos
19:39:51 <Halcyon> Nom, roo meat
19:39:55 <Halcyon> So delicious
19:40:05 <Halcyon> I'd even go as far as saying it's better than beef, if done right
19:40:18 <Stiff> you can have it all Halcyon
19:40:25 <Halcyon> YAY!
19:40:47 <Stiff> haha even my dog doesn't eat it anymore
19:40:52 <Stiff> used to bring him home the tails
19:40:56 <Halcyon> Harsh
19:41:02 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't like the tail
19:42:51 <Halcyon> Which is why I said "if done right". Kangaroo is one of those meats that if you don't do it well, it tastes horrible and is tough
19:43:39 <K> ausie problems
19:43:56 <Stiff> yeah slow cooked with some veg and potatoes
19:44:01 <Stiff> beef stock and water
19:46:05 <Halcyon> I've also had one in a plum marinade, so good
19:46:12 <Halcyon> K indeed. :)
19:48:05 <Halcyon> I imagine that steve30 looked like Barry Lewis' nephew when he was younger: https://youtu.be/sKVUc1I_NMM?t=55
19:53:58 <Ampera> Stiff, I'm in the US, we don't have roos
19:54:02 <Ampera> we have bears and deer
19:54:13 <Ampera> and machine guns
19:54:30 <Halcyon> I've never eaten deer
19:54:49 <Stiff> yeah, i'll fly over and come shooting with you :D
19:55:14 <Stiff> Halcyon, deer is up 30% in VIC this year
19:55:22 <Stiff> go get a permit from the DPI drop a few
19:55:25 <Stiff> have a feed :)
19:55:43 <Ampera> Stiff, NY doesn't like guns I'm afraid, so I'd have to find some place that does
19:55:51 <Ampera> best I can do in NY is do range shooting
19:56:12 <Stiff> why not?
19:58:38 <Ampera> Stiff, because NY has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation
19:58:51 <Stiff> well there you go
19:59:11 <Ampera> I'd have to go somewhere like Texas where guns and silverware are in the same aisle
19:59:39 <Stiff> used to be like that here along time ago
19:59:49 <Stiff> I remember going to k-mart here as a kid
20:00:07 <Stiff> could buy a side-by-side shotgun next to the kids clothing lol
20:00:16 <Ampera> man that sounds sweet
20:00:40 <Stiff> didnt think much of it back then
20:00:43 <Ampera> I think our super walmart still sells guns, but I think they cut down significantly
20:00:59 <Stiff> i remember seeing that online
20:01:08 <Stiff> big ass walmart that has everything
20:01:09 <Ampera> I'm still not sure where in the world I'll end up, I was tempted to move to Germany, but the political situation there is precarious along with the rest of the EU.
20:01:19 <Ampera> oh yeah super walmarts are awesome
20:01:25 <T3sl4> you say that like the US isn't
20:01:25 <Ampera> they literally have everything
20:01:40 <Ampera> T3sl4, we're less precarious in the places that I don't like it
20:01:55 <Halcyon> I only have a Glock 22 and it's for work
20:02:01 <Halcyon> Probably not idea for hunting :P
20:02:02 <Ampera> Halcyon wants me to move to Australia, but I'm afraid I'll have to give up my swiss army knife
20:02:08 <Ampera> and my testicles
20:02:12 <Stiff> Halcyon, lets try it ;)
20:02:18 <DogWomble> Halcyon: MAybe hunting mice?
20:02:22 <Halcyon> Hey, the testicles are your choice
20:02:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, not if I move to Australia, just watch
20:02:35 <Ampera> they're gonna castrate all the men there
20:02:38 <Halcyon> We use hollow point rounds so there wouldn't be a mouse left
20:02:45 <Ampera> that way they will mellow out and not rape superior women
20:02:45 <damian> hi
20:02:46 <Halcyon> It would just be a splat with some staples
20:03:00 <Ampera> Halcyon, idk if you can mod a Glock 22 to full auto
20:03:04 <Ampera> that with a 32 round mag might even the odds
20:03:19 <Halcyon> *shrug*
20:03:38 <Stiff> hey damian
20:05:26 * Halcyon prods damian in the privates
20:05:43 <Ampera> this is some real tomfaggotry going on here
20:05:50 * Stiff nods
20:08:40 <damian> whats happeeninng
20:09:10 <Ampera> damian, you're being touched personally by a homosexual
20:09:16 <Stiff> alot of fondling of sorts but the sound of it
20:09:21 <Stiff> by*
20:09:25 <damian> ahh
20:09:29 <damian> a female homosexual?
20:09:38 <Ampera> damian, you wish
20:09:48 <Halcyon> No, just me
20:09:50 <damian> i do
20:09:52 <damian> oh, you!
20:09:52 * Halcyon fondles some more
20:10:03 <damian> no fondling please
20:10:09 <Halcyon> Just close your eyes :P
20:10:10 <damian> visual only
20:10:24 <Halcyon> Again, the solution seems to be "close your eyes"
20:10:26 <Ampera> don't you guys have laws against the burgling of crotches?
20:10:34 <damian> but i like to see what's going on
20:10:46 <Halcyon> Hmmm...
20:10:48 * Ampera passes damian his VR headset
20:10:50 <Halcyon> I see the problem
20:10:53 <Ampera> just clean it when you're done
20:10:59 <damian> haha
20:11:06 <Halcyon> Maybe clean it BEFORE you start as well :P
20:11:09 <Halcyon> Who knows what Ampera does with it
20:11:19 <Ampera> Halcyon, I've not tried porn on it
20:11:24 <Ampera> because none of my porn is in VR sadly
20:11:33 <damian> it's always hard finding
20:11:33 <Halcyon> Hmm... sounds like a project though?
20:11:34 <Stiff> that would be my first thing to try Ampera
20:11:38 <damian> i have a samsung vr
20:11:56 <Halcyon> My only concern would be wearing it, jerking off and getting caught without knowing it because you're so immersed.
20:11:59 <Ampera> Stiff, I tried it once on a cheap phone VR helmet, but I didn't find anything of any interest whatsoever
20:12:29 <Ampera> I have never masturbated in my life, and likely never will, so that's not a problem for me.
20:12:37 <Halcyon> I mean, I have my own house, so whatever. But you live with family.
20:12:57 <damian> do you have a cute sister Ampera?
20:13:00 <Ampera> Halcyon, I mean you don't live alone
20:13:08 <Ampera> damian, no, otherwise my life would be even stranger than it already was
20:13:14 <damian> ah
20:13:20 <damian> do you have a not cute sister?
20:13:26 <Halcyon> Why? Because you would be wearing her clothes?
20:13:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, I try not to think about it
20:13:55 <Ampera> damian, I have a 13 year old brother.
20:14:02 <damian> no fun
20:14:05 <Ampera> with the mind of a 7 year old
20:15:18 <Halcyon> So you two get along then ? :P
20:15:28 <Ampera> no I do not know of another person I hate more
20:15:40 <Halcyon> I'm kidding
20:15:46 <Halcyon> I'm actually really bored for a change
20:15:53 <Halcyon> I've had the longest week this week
20:15:56 <Ampera> I want to be as distant from him as possible, and wish to be gone from him and the rest of my family as soon as possible.
20:16:12 <Halcyon> Well there is always the land upside-down
20:16:19 <Halcyon> We're far away from everything
20:16:25 <Halcyon> It's even 200ms to 'Merica
20:16:30 <damian> get on grindr and find yourself some unboredom
20:16:34 <Ampera> Yeah at 2004 DSL speeds
20:16:51 <Stiff> snap
20:16:52 <Ampera> damian, dating websites and apps are probably some of the saddest and more useless things in my mind
20:16:56 <Halcyon> Actually it's closer to 45ms but still
20:17:12 <damian> yeah, but you dont masturbate, which is sad as well
20:17:13 <Ampera> I have faster internet than every single Australian on this server most likely
20:17:25 <Ampera> damian, I am fucking sad, my entire life is
20:17:30 <Ampera> and it's just getting sadder
20:17:37 <damian> maybe you need to change it up, get dating apps
20:17:39 <damian> :P
20:17:40 <Stiff> get some blisters on them hands man
20:17:43 <Halcyon> Ampera: It's true
20:17:59 <Halcyon> I'm worried Ampera if you're uncut, your business will heal over
20:18:05 <Halcyon> It's a thing you know
20:18:15 <Halcyon> It happened to my best mate
20:18:20 <Ampera> Halcyon, I pee through it
20:18:24 <damian> if uncut, i'm sure he still cleans up back there
20:18:40 <Halcyon> He had to get circumcised at age 14 or something
20:18:49 <Ampera> ow
20:18:52 <Stiff> ooo
20:18:54 <Halcyon> Yup
20:19:00 <Stiff> poor fella
20:19:02 <Halcyon> I'd imagine not a nice experience
20:19:09 <Stiff> bet he hated his parents then
20:19:20 <Halcyon> Well, it was kind of his own fault in a way
20:19:23 <Halcyon> He should have played with it more
20:19:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, if all I had was a closed up dick I'd be happy
20:19:40 <Ampera> There are a long list of things I'd rather have.
20:19:44 <Halcyon> Yes, I know Ampera
20:19:49 <Halcyon> Heh "long"
20:19:50 <Halcyon> :P
20:19:54 <Halcyon> Sorry (bored)
20:19:59 <Ampera> well I'm gonna complain at you some more until I loose the rest of my friends
20:20:07 <Halcyon> Pfft, good luck
20:20:09 <Halcyon> I still like you
20:20:17 <Ampera> you poor misguided idiot
20:20:28 <Halcyon> *shrug* I like me
20:20:31 <Halcyon> Misguided or not
20:20:45 <Ampera> I think I'd rather have cancer than what I have
20:21:03 <Halcyon> I can't relate to either but yeh, I can imagine it
20:21:07 <Ampera> at least people try to help you when you have cancer, and there are effective treatments for cancer.
20:21:35 <steve30> o/
20:21:42 <Ampera> The mind is a terrible thing to lose, as you are the only person who can find it again, and everyone along the way will try their very hardest to trip you and beat you while doing it.
20:22:06 <Halcyon> Steeeeeve
20:22:15 <Halcyon> How's my favourite EEVgay ?
20:22:28 <steve30> I'm just back from cutting grass
20:22:35 <Halcyon> As in, mowing?
20:22:40 <Halcyon> Or have you been on grindr again?
20:22:48 <steve30> mowing
20:22:53 <Halcyon> *smirk*
20:23:08 <Halcyon> It's getting into Summer there isn't it?
20:23:20 <steve30> yes
20:23:24 <Halcyon> \o/
20:23:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, did any of the people you contacted get back to you with anything?
20:23:48 <Halcyon> Not yet Ampera, but I've also had limited access to my work email this week, I shall check again next Monday
20:23:50 <steve30> I was going to call in at the NatWest on my way back but people were queueing out onto the pavement again so I didn't bother.
20:23:55 <Ampera> alright
20:24:00 <Halcyon> What's a NatWest?
20:24:11 <steve30> a bank
20:24:14 <Halcyon> I haven't forgotten Ampera
20:24:36 <Halcyon> Are you like an old lady Steve? Still goes to the bank to pay bills and such?
20:25:01 <steve30> I normally withdraw money from the bank. Bills I pay at the post office.
20:25:14 <Halcyon> So... yes?
20:25:15 <Halcyon> :P
20:25:44 <Halcyon> I know I jest, but I'm actually genuinely curious. Here, if I need cash (rarely), I use an ATM
20:26:01 <Halcyon> Bills are either paid online via bank or card details or it's set up as a direct debit.
20:26:33 <steve30> I often use ATMs, although I prefer to use the ones inside the bank if possible. They aren't as grubby as the outdoor ones.
20:26:43 <Halcyon> Ahh yes, good point
20:26:49 <Halcyon> Less urine
20:27:14 <Ampera> I need to go to my credit union and deposit some cash
20:28:08 <steve30> also, i bought chocolate
20:29:23 <DogWomble> yum chocoalte
20:29:53 <DogWomble> i very rarely carry any cash at all
20:29:57 <Halcyon> Dark, milk or white "chocolate" ?
20:30:29 <Halcyon> Me neither DogWomble, I just use contactless payments for 95% of things
20:30:43 <Halcyon> I would say I use an ATM/Cash perhaps 10 times per year?
20:32:13 <DogWomble> i'm probably about the smae
20:33:30 <Halcyon> YAY! BSides is coming to Sydney this year :D
20:34:28 <steve30> The doctors secretary and I were ranting about banks the other day. She takes card payments as an option, but I explained how I'm not particularly happy with the bank knowing that I go to the doctors.
20:34:59 <Halcyon> What's that got to do with the bank?
20:35:11 <Halcyon> I don't think they sit there and look at your statement to see what you've been up to
20:37:40 <Halcyon> In fact, even if I apply for a loan through my bank, they don't look at my statement. They just make sure I can afford to pay them back.
20:38:50 <steve30> Its just a general privacy issue. The bank don't need to know that I've been to the doctors, likewise, the doctor doesn't need to know about my banking.
20:39:08 <K> i would argue that no person "sits and looks", but i wouldnt put them past minig transactions for corelatable data
20:39:09 <Halcyon> Different world I guess
20:39:19 <Halcyon> Here, cash is dying. To not accept card is unusual
20:39:33 <K> same here
20:39:55 <Halcyon> I don't see what benefit the banks would get by mining data? Apart from maybe getting you to spend more?
20:40:13 <Halcyon> They can't share that data with anyone except Police and the Tax Office
20:41:43 <steve30> I don't want the police and tax man knowing that I go to the doctors either.
20:41:50 <Halcyon> Also, there would be laws governing how they use that data they store. It's not just a free-for-all.
20:42:01 <Halcyon> Alrighty then ?
20:42:42 <Halcyon> I reckon if I pulled out sums of cash on a regular basis, that would be scrutinised a lot more than trips to the doctor or the bottle shop
20:43:07 <steve30> We do have strict data protection laws, but people flout them all the time and no one gives a crap.
20:49:12 * steve30 should make coffee
20:59:31 <Halcyon> Steve, how do you have your coffee normally?
20:59:38 <Halcyon> Milky and sweet?
21:03:11 <steve30> strong, with milk
21:03:23 <steve30> usually 2 heaped teaspoons of coffee, brewed for about 4 or 5 minutes
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21:06:57 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon
21:09:22 <Halcyon> I probably taste like sweat and cologne
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21:58:14 <DHess_US> <Ampera> best way to fix it is to stop using SMB and Windows XP
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21:58:28 <DHess_US> I was looking into usng NFS instead when I found the issue.
21:58:54 <DHess_US> Which I will probably still do because Windows 10 SMB is fucking broken.
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23:21:10 <Ampera> DHess_US, don't use NFS, use SFTP
23:21:29 <Halcyon> Don't use SFTP, use SMB
23:21:32 <DHess_US> Yea, that should integrated well.
23:21:37 <Halcyon> But yes, Windows 10 is shit :P
23:21:43 <Ampera> Halcyon, SMB is shit
23:21:56 <Halcyon> Perhaps the Windows implementation of it?
23:21:57 <Ampera> and there are programs that will mount SFTP shares on Windows.
23:21:59 <Halcyon> I don't use Windows
23:21:59 <DHess_US> It didn't affect the Windows 10 system even after SAMBA went weird.
23:22:08 <Ampera> Halcyon, the Linux implementation of it is even worse than the WIndows one.
23:22:21 <DHess_US> And that NAS doesn't support SFTP.
23:22:33 <Halcyon> On the contrary, I use Windows 10 every day at work. The Linux implementation is MUCH better.
23:23:00 <Halcyon> I should clarify, I use SMB (Server) on FreeBSD, not Linux
23:23:03 <Halcyon> But I use the Linux client
23:23:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, The Windows SMB implementation is almost alright, but client or server, Samba is always worse.
23:23:43 <Ampera> but nothing holds a candle to SFTP, which is easier to set up, is secure over WAN, and also brings with it all the goodies OpenSSH has anyways
23:24:15 <Halcyon> I will take your word, only because I personally haven't used SFTP (yet)
23:24:51 <Ampera> Before with my SMB setup I couldn't access files or stream video over the internet, because it wasn't secure in the slightest
23:25:08 <Ampera> but now with SFTP, I have extensive control over my computers, and perfect random access to my files, it's great
23:25:10 <DHess_US> The only thing I would trust to be secure over a WAN is a VPN.
23:25:28 <Ampera> DHess_US, OpenSSH is a VPN too
23:25:38 <DHess_US> I've been doing that for 20+ years securely with SMB inside of a VPN.
23:25:45 <Ampera> it can forward TCP traffic, with specific no-trouble implementations for things like X forwarding
23:26:54 <Ampera> The advantage with OpenSSH is it's own VPN, remote access and desktop system (on systems running X), and network filesystem, with a flexible set of public/private key encryption algorithms
23:27:32 <Ampera> There's mounting support for Windows, Linux, BSD, and Android (that I know of, Darwin probably has it too)
23:27:56 <K> sshfs is quirky.
23:28:22 <Ampera> K, I will grant you that, it could do with some work, but it still does the job for me.
23:28:56 <Ampera> the Windows options are far nicer than SSHFS, but they are both way nicer than any SMB cliente
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