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00:09:37 <Marco> Hi
00:09:45 <K> yes.
00:11:23 <Marco> is there anyone?
00:12:27 <K> ain't nobody here but us, chickens
00:12:49 <Marco> ahahha
00:13:13 <Marco> Ok I need some advice
00:13:56 <Ampera> it's free, but as with anything that's free, you get what you pay for
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00:17:52 <Ampera> it's 51 and drizzling, should I go out?
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00:21:00 <K> what time of day is it?
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01:27:24 <Ampera> K, it's that time of the day
01:27:31 <Ampera> anyways, I went out, just got home before it started really raining
01:28:18 <K> welp, it is 8C and rain here. yesterday it was 20C and clear skies
01:28:40 <K> summer this year was short, happened to be on wednesday
01:28:52 <Ampera> It's currently 11:35
01:28:59 <Ampera> because some of us live in the civilized part of the world
01:29:18 <K> it'll pass
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01:49:45 <Nothing\> oh holy fuck that sucked
01:49:56 <Nothing\> these morning bouts of nausea can suck a fat D
01:50:10 <Nothing\> thankfully they don't last more than a few minutes but holy crap is it intense
01:50:46 <Nothing\> i'm glad it passes so quickly, i wouldn't be able to hold it back much longer than that
01:52:05 <Nothing\> anyways i was thinking, if you need to use say a transistor for a power application and your transistor's rating doesn't meet your requirements, would it be feasible to parallel multiple transistors to get the appropriate power rating?
01:52:40 <Nothing\> or would it be series, parallel would increase current wouldn't it
01:54:16 <steve30> yes, you can parallel transistors
01:54:42 <steve30> usually with some kind of resistor in series with each one to ensure they all get the same current
01:55:15 <Nothing\> ah nifty, i was wondering why you never see that, but it'd probably be cheaper and more efficient a design to use one beefy transistor, huh
01:57:08 <Nothing\> lol awesome, this chipmunk that comes into my yard for peanuts actually eats out of my hand, even the squirrels won't do that and they've known me a lot longer
01:57:56 <Nothing\> i tried squirrel fishing yesterday by tying a peanut to a piece of string, but damned if the little bugger didn't chew the string off right away
01:58:17 <steve30> hehe
01:59:42 <Nothing\> these guys are getting expensive to feed, i've been going through a 1kg bag of peanuts about every 2 or 3 days :o
02:01:29 <Nothing\> lol google's stupid questions they put on search results now are really dumb sometimes
02:01:59 <Nothing\> i've got this one question they gave me the answer to "which logic circuit is the fastest" and in the answer it has a table but the table has nothing to do with the speed of the logic families
02:03:16 <Nothing\> i wish there were a way to disable these stupid questions and tables and crap google tries to pull up for search results, they take up so much of the first page and they're rarely relevant and never useful
02:04:03 <Nothing\> ah well i think i'll play dynasty warriors 7, being that i'm apparently quite bored and dangerously idle
02:25:43 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
02:25:44 <Ampera> how do
02:51:53 <Nothing\> hey man, i'm doing alright how about you?
02:52:02 <Nothing\> i'm feeling a lot better today now that i've had a good night's sleep
02:52:12 <Nothing\> musta gone down for about 5 naps yesterday and i was still exhausted
02:52:56 <Ampera> Nothing\, uhhhhhhhhh
02:53:05 <Ampera> I just biked around 3-4 miles
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02:53:18 <Nothing\> nice, i've gotta get out and exercise more myself
02:53:36 <Ampera> Nothing\, should move to the US, then you have an excuse to be fat
02:53:38 <Nothing\> i find i can't walk more than 10-20 minutes before my back gets unbearably sore and i end up having to sit on the curb for a few minutes
02:53:47 <Nothing\> i'm not fat, just really out of shape
02:53:54 <Ampera> fat is a shape
02:53:55 <Nothing\> weak muscles and such
02:54:13 <Ampera> I can walk pretty well, the range becomes an issue with more intensive activities like biking
02:55:02 <Nothing\> the other day i read that somebody was sentenced to 1000 lashings in saudi arabia, so i was trying to figure out how the hell the whipper can even do that, i tried moving my arm up and down, not even quickly and after 100 times the muscles were so tired i couldn't keep doing it
02:55:20 <Nothing\> though i think they serve those sentences over time, 100 lashes a week or something like that, i dunno
02:55:30 <Nothing\> i'd love to get a bike just so i have a way to get around
02:55:54 <Nothing\> but i haven't got $200 to drop on one, and if i had $200 i could spend i'd spend it on something else, like a nintendo switch or an oscilloscope
02:56:08 <Ampera> Nothing\, I heard they chopped off a guy's head for talking about the wrong things on the internets
02:56:18 <Nothing\> yeah sharia law is fucked
02:56:20 <Ampera> but whatever, Arabia is a shithole
02:56:28 <Ampera> and the rest of those islamic states
02:56:32 <Nothing\> they surgically paralyzed a guy after he served a 10 year sentence cuz his victim was paralyzed
02:56:46 <Nothing\> and apparently it's pretty common to cut out somebody's eye as punishment
02:56:51 <Nothing\> literally an eye for an eye
02:57:12 <Ampera> yet because they have all the oil, and pissing them off is economic suicide, they get away with it
02:57:27 <Nothing\> see that's what bothers me, a lot of people seem to be atheists because they believe that the actions and beliefs of religious groups represent what god is like, but that's not the case at all
02:58:00 <Ampera> I think the biggest reason I'm an atheist is that I just have no time for it in my life.
02:58:11 <Ampera> It's not something that I want to devote effort or resources to, among other reasons.
02:58:32 <Nothing\> i can see that, i had a similar attitude although i think i was more in denial about it so i cited other reasons
02:59:01 <Ampera> I think the best intellectual parallel to what you're talking about could be summed up best by the term "good nazi"
02:59:10 <Nothing\> i know my hardships as a teenager were a big reason, not wanting to worship the being i figured was responsible for that, but i've come to realize that usually the worst hardships i've gone through end up leading to some of the best things in my life
02:59:35 <Ampera> Ideologies encompass collectives, but collectives are made out of individuals, ones which will deviate or reform within those collectives, and adhere to that ideology to different strengths
03:00:03 <Ampera> When you see the world as a pool of individuals, and take no mind to their groups, people are just people, and assholes are just assholes.
03:00:04 <Nothing\> i know in the case of the catholic church at least, they manipulate the dogma to benefit themselves
03:00:26 <Nothing\> yup, everybody's an asshole
03:00:31 <Nothing\> but likewise, everybody's a saint as well
03:00:49 <Ampera> However, when you see the world through groups, collectives, factions, whatever else, a concept embedded and ingrained into us as a species, then ideologies take the worst and the best of their constituents.
03:00:53 <Nothing\> that is, we're never just one thing or the other permanently, it ebbs and flows as most things in the human psyche do
03:01:25 <Nothing\> it's that dehumanizing aspect of collectivism that does it, i think
03:01:30 <Ampera> The Salvation Army are a glorious charitable organization, and the Nazis were ruthless horrific racists who murdered and caused the deaths of millions.
03:01:55 <Ampera> Yet, you can have a good nazi, and a bad charity.
03:02:02 <Nothing\> you know, tuesday was the anniversay of hitler's death
03:02:19 <Ampera> 4/20 was Hitler's birthday.
03:02:22 <Nothing\> oh yeah absolutely, nothing in life is black and white as people try to see it
03:02:48 <Nothing\> that's one thing that bugs me about people in general though, the way they try to simplify everything into terms of black and white when that's not how it works at all
03:03:00 <Nothing\> like blaming one singular entity for a tragedy
03:03:07 <Ampera> The issue is we as people are designed and built (if there is such a thing), to see groups above individuals.
03:03:31 <Ampera> It's much easier to blame an ideology that just happens to coincide with a group than it is to investigate every person and understand then all as such.
03:04:02 <Nothing\> that's true as well, it would be very time consuming to try and judge each individual of a group
03:04:07 <Ampera> There is no escaping that either. Everyone does it and everyone will do it, with the only variable being how much of an effect it might have.
03:04:26 <Nothing\> human nature is a frustrating thing once you become aware of it
03:04:52 <Ampera> So we can hate Nazis, and love The Salvation Army, yet there were innocents forced into Nazi service, and there are racists and horrific embezzlers within any charity.
03:05:15 <Ampera> Nothing\, one of the most powerful and most useful things a person can understand is human nature.
03:05:34 <Ampera> If you can explain why people do things, you can also predict how people will do things, and if you can predict how people will do things, you can predict the future.
03:05:43 <Nothing\> yeah my grandfather was forced into service for the nazis
03:05:50 <Nothing\> the beat the crap out of him until he agreed
03:06:10 <Ampera> Stories were likely similar of my great grandparents.
03:06:10 <Nothing\> and yet, if that never happened i wouldn't exist
03:06:23 <Nothing\> actually i doubt anybody alive today would exist if not for the nazis
03:06:25 <Nothing\> at least in the west
03:06:34 <Ampera> Ahh, the great question, kill hitler, kill millions.
03:06:44 <Nothing\> if it never happened i know my grandparents wouldn't have met
03:06:47 <Ampera> not question, but paradox, problem, time travel shit
03:07:09 <Ampera> I can attribute the same to the internet. At its core, the internet was my parent.
03:07:10 <Nothing\> you may kill millions, but you also give rise to many millions more who wouldn't have existed otherwise
03:07:23 <Ampera> It's how my parents met, it's the entity that raised me, educated, me, and made me me.
03:07:59 <Ampera> If it weren't for the significant wartime advance in computings, the suspension of the great depression, the post war economic boom, I'd very likely never be alive.
03:08:07 <Nothing\> i think that's one reason a lot of people see the world so unrealistically, the consumption of media, especially fictitious media where problems are neatly resolved in a 22 minute span, so people get the impression that's how all problems should be, of course it's a subconscious impression
03:08:25 <Nothing\> that's the other thing too, people don't realize just how much war drives technological development
03:08:26 <Ampera> Nothing\, the lesson to be learned here is never change the past.
03:08:43 <Nothing\> computers, medicine, nuclear power etc
03:08:53 <Ampera> There is no greater fertilizer for an economy but the advent of a great war, and the economics behind how to kill more people than the other guys.
03:09:16 <Nothing\> actually that too, i hadn't even considered that
03:09:21 <Nothing\> but yeah it generates a ton of jobs
03:09:36 <Nothing\> it just goes to show you that even the worst things in life have a silver lining
03:09:50 <Nothing\> i've always believed that you can find a silver lining to anything, no matter how tragic
03:10:13 <Ampera> Nothing\, tragedy is a subjective, and often one way.
03:10:18 <Nothing\> that too
03:10:19 <Ampera> Tragedy for one comes at the pleasure of another.
03:10:26 <Nothing\> just like morality
03:11:11 <Nothing\> that's another thing, most people don't seem to understand that morality is subjective, they think what they believe is moral is what everybody else should or does believe is moral
03:12:31 <Ampera> Nothing\, the issue therein is how should you pardon others for their alternating moralities.
03:12:51 <Nothing\> man that's a hell of a conundrum
03:12:58 <Nothing\> you'd need to have one universal code of morality
03:13:01 <Ampera> I think one of the best examples of this is abortion, which is by definition, a morality issue.
03:13:17 <Nothing\> but then the question is, who's morals should we impose as universaly
03:13:22 <Nothing\> *universal
03:13:23 <Ampera> There are no constants within morality. Ever.
03:13:26 <Nothing\> and who should we have inforce that
03:13:34 <Nothing\> enforce
03:14:19 <Ampera> My consideration with the broad and significant points of morality, is that if we as a society have determined that it is to the vast advantage to the masses of people, through our own experiences, and we are personally witnessing another body of people with different morals suffering for them, it's acceptable to impose our morals upon them.
03:14:27 <Nothing\> people don't realize morality is a man-made concept too, good and evil are things that don't exist without us, not in the sense that only humans commit good or evil, but in the sense that we invented the concepts and in nature, there's no such thing as morality
03:15:31 <Ampera> However once you get to the finer points of morality, like abortion, it becomes more opinion than necessity.
03:15:31 <Nothing\> that's all well and good, but it seems a lot of people or countries use that as an excuse to impose their will on others
03:15:56 <Ampera> It's the question of if a man is being beaten in the streets, is it any of your business to help him out.
03:16:03 <Ampera> For all you know, he may want to be beaten.
03:16:10 <Nothing\> for all you know he may deserve it
03:16:18 <Nothing\> but the way i see it, nobody deserves anything bad
03:16:38 <Nothing\> punishing people doesn't change what they've done and it only serves to add to the already existing grief
03:16:45 <Ampera> There is a fine line between helping out the suffering with the basics of rights and liberty, and imposing one's own form of life upon them, while using them for benefit.
03:16:51 <Nothing\> and if it were an effective deterrent, nobody would murder
03:16:54 <Ampera> There is no profit in morality, so long as morality is the only product.
03:17:08 <Nothing\> even back in the day when being drawn and quartered was a thing, it wasn't enough to deter people
03:17:35 <Ampera> Laws and their effects are an interesting concept. People breaking the rules is a constant among moralities and rules, if there must be one.
03:18:04 <Ampera> Whenever there is a rule, someone will be there to break it, whereas likewise someone will be there with legitimate goals, who finds hindrance behind those laws.
03:18:31 <Ampera> I believe laws to be a deterrent, but not a perfect one. If murder was legal, many people would not be alive right now.
03:18:38 <Nothing\> it really is a fickle subject, there's just no way to go about it without hindering somebody
03:18:50 <Ampera> As with everything, it's a balance.
03:18:58 <Ampera> Liberty over regulation and the security derived from that.
03:19:14 <Ampera> Who should decide that, and should their reasons be adequate. Gun control is a great example.
03:19:26 <Nothing\> yeah that's true, i suppose they work as a deterrent in a general way, in that if i'm pissed off at somebody, for trying to tell me kermit the frog is made of puzzles i'm not gonna stab them in the face 17 times cuz i don't wanna deal with the repercussions
03:19:47 <Ampera> A good number of people enjoy the concept of owning a firearm, and view it not only as a defensive article, but as a deeply cultural symbol of freedom and home.
03:20:02 <Nothing\> more than that, they view it as a literal god given right
03:20:10 <Ampera> I don't.
03:20:33 <Ampera> I view firearms are interesting mechanical devices with a history founded in the very base of the human condition itself.
03:20:36 <Ampera> *as
03:20:58 <Nothing\> you only need to compare the number of violent crimes in countries with ubiquitous firearms vs ones which have outlawed firearms to see how well everybody owning a gun works
03:21:02 <Ampera> I do genuinely hope to have the chance to at least operate one in my life, if not collect and own them as interesting pieces of technological history and as sporting equipment.
03:21:14 <Nothing\> yeah i wouldn't mind going to a shooting range some time
03:21:20 <Nothing\> i've never shot a real gun myself
03:21:32 <Ampera> Nothing\, I believe that's an unfair comparison much of the time, as many of the countries with tight gun laws tend to not have as much multiculturalism.
03:21:41 <Ampera> They tend to be richer, more insular, and have a much calmer history.
03:22:19 <Ampera> Venezuela has strict gun legislation, yet the poor conditions likely make it rife with crime.
03:22:41 <Ampera> The US exists in a very intense position of multiculturalism, with no dominant culture, besides our culture of cultures.
03:23:10 <Ampera> With that comes an incredible amplification within the issues of classism and ideological conflict.
03:23:44 <Nothing\> yeah, you know america doesn't even have an official language
03:24:09 <Nothing\> which makes me think of all those racist types who are like "we speak english here in america" whenever somebody speaks a foreign language
03:24:22 <Ampera> However, the UK is a perfect example of where an insular, unitary, educated and financially homogeneous nation with strict restrictions on what is free and fair in the US, ends up in a disastrous place.
03:24:42 <Nothing\> i dunno i'd call the uk financially homogeneous
03:24:42 <Ampera> Yeah that's pretty funny.
03:24:47 <Ampera> Moreso than the US
03:24:49 <Nothing\> i'm not sure that any country is
03:24:55 <Nothing\> actually maybe one of the rich ones, like monaco
03:25:09 <Ampera> I'm just saying they have a broad middle and upper class.
03:25:13 <Nothing\> where land is like $75k per square foot
03:25:20 <Nothing\> ah right
03:25:23 <Ampera> There's always poor people.
03:25:27 <Nothing\> it's more evened out than america
03:26:00 <Nothing\> ugh i hate people on loud motorcycles
03:26:02 <Ampera> They are currently seeing their freedoms to speak, express, and think being curtailed. The government run news organizations are running intentionally fudged smear campaigns against political enemies.
03:26:07 <Nothing\> nothing but expensive vibrators
03:26:47 <Ampera> I'm not a person who believes that the curtailment of gun legislation = that, I think they might come together, but not because of either causing the other, but they are a good example of where too much restrictions can turn dangerous
03:27:07 <Ampera> with the other big lesson being, it doesn't matter what the law says, if those charged with enforcing them aren't willing to do so.
03:27:26 <Nothing\> yes exactly, i've always believed that the key to success is balance, in general, not just with legislation
03:27:45 <Nothing\> that is, not going too far to one extreme
03:28:33 <Ampera> Nothing\, the key to balance is compromise, research, and understanding.
03:29:08 <Ampera> A perfect society, if there is such a concept, would rely on people willing to explore all options, and understand and agree upon the best resolution to those issues.
03:29:32 <Nothing\> yup, among other things of course, but the problem with that is they're not profitable, and being that the west is run by corporations, entities whose sole purpose is to obtain profit above all else, they're not going to be interested in any of those things unless it benefits them
03:30:01 <Nothing\> and if, god forbid, they actually did do the right thing, another corporation would just swoop in and take advantage of the situation
03:30:13 <Nothing\> the whole thing with the 737-max is a great example of that
03:31:57 <Ampera> Nothing\, did you end up listening to Telephone Line?
03:32:12 <Nothing\> oooh shit no lol, i keep forgetting when i get a chance
03:32:27 <Nothing\> one of these times i will
03:32:50 <Nothing\> it's one of those things where i think about it when i can't do it, then when i can do it, i forget
03:33:56 <Nothing\> anywho i've gotta get my butt in gear and get out to do my errands and stuff
03:34:04 <Ampera> have fun
03:34:05 <Ampera> ciao
03:34:06 <Nothing\> i'll listen to that one of these days though lol
03:34:10 <Nothing\> will do, have a good one, man
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04:12:56 <Federico> Hello :) I want to learn electronics well , I'm a beginner , how can i start through this site?
04:14:09 <Ampera> Federico, Hello. I suggest you look into the EEVBlog forums first, check out the beginner section.
04:14:16 <Ampera> Watching Dave's videos are probably the best way to get started.
04:14:50 <Federico> I really want to learn !!!
04:14:55 <Federico> Thank you!
04:15:24 <Federico> What videos do you recommend?
04:15:40 <Federico> I want to learn from scratch
04:15:53 <Ampera> Depends on how much time you have.
04:16:04 <Ampera> Teardowns are the best, along with the beginner guides, like soldering.
04:16:19 <Ampera> Keep an eye on terms, and keep Wikipedia handy, and just read up on things you don't know.
04:16:37 <Ampera> This IRC is good for occasional things you need a quick response for that are too basic for a forum post, or basic discussion in general.
04:17:53 <DHess_US> Doesn't someone still make beginner electronics teaching kits?
04:18:00 <Federico> sono stufo di leggere libri di teoria senza fare esperienza pratica
04:18:10 <Federico> I'm sick of reading theory books without practical experience
04:18:15 <DHess_US> I know exactly what I would have wanted to learn as a beginner and I never found it.
04:18:31 <Ampera> DHess_US, there are small hobbyist kits, but most of them are good for soldering practice.
04:18:35 <Ampera> If you know theory, then apply it.
04:18:49 <DHess_US> Yea, I had those. But there isn't much for the practical aspects of the theory.
04:18:55 <DHess_US> Or there wasn't much.
04:18:55 <Ampera> Get the parts and make something, breadboards are great for this.
04:20:57 <Federico> On the internet there is so much information that I don't know where to start, what to buy, what tools, I would like videos that show how to create a circuit with operational amplifiers, how to use oscilloscopes like this
04:21:31 <Ampera> Scopes and opamps are complicated.
04:21:42 <Federico> Do you say that the video foundamentals on the blog are fine?
04:21:45 <Ampera> There's very easy lineage in electronics. Start with a switch and a light, and add to it.
04:21:54 <Federico> yes i did it
04:21:57 <Ampera> There are videos that teach basics like soldering, and suggest higher end gear
04:22:05 <Ampera> but people can get by with a firestick
04:22:33 <Ampera> Make sure to not sink hundreds into stuff you may never use. Make sure when you buy gear, you know what it's used for and that you will use it, not because someone just told you it might be useful.
04:23:27 <Federico> can you advise me on the blog which videos I could see?
04:23:32 <Federico> thank you a lot!!
04:24:07 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ Start here
04:24:17 <Ampera> gluing parts together is one of the most basic concepts in hobbyist soldering.
04:24:29 <Ampera> Then search EEVBlog Teardown, and start watching
04:25:29 <Federico> I do university but i hate studying without having a pratical experience
04:25:44 <Ampera> Then build something.
04:28:02 <Federico> are these EEV Teardown? https://www.eevblog.com/teardowns/
04:28:15 <Ampera> Federico, the EEVBlog is a YouTube channel.
04:28:25 <Ampera> However yes, those are list of his teardowns.
04:28:58 <Ampera> Pick one that looks interesting and start watching.
04:29:02 <Federico> sorry I'm scared I'd love to learn
04:29:08 <Ampera> scared?
04:29:14 <Federico> yes :(
04:29:16 <Ampera> the electrons aren't gonna bite you
04:29:24 <Ampera> unless you put your finger where it doesn't belong >:D
04:29:42 <Federico> the professors yes
04:29:59 <Federico> I hate the system of teaching
04:30:03 <Ampera> School is the easy part. Take in what they tell you, study for the tests, and pass them.
04:30:16 <Federico> But i want to learn :(
04:30:24 <Ampera> You will quickly learn that school learning is a skill in its own right.
04:30:24 <Federico> not only pass the test
04:30:33 <Ampera> Then put your skills to use.
04:30:42 <Ampera> If you know theory, put the theory into practice.
04:30:46 <Federico> I have notions
04:30:47 <Federico> yes
04:31:12 <Federico> but I would like a review in practice
04:31:27 <Ampera> Then build something.
04:31:45 <Ampera> That's how most people on the forums and in general got practical experience
04:31:51 <Ampera> by starting small, and then doing it.
04:31:56 <Federico> do you think it's good to see all those videos?
04:32:03 <Federico> teardowns
04:32:17 <Ampera> You don't have to watch all of them, but the reason they're good is that they show you how things are made.
04:32:30 <Ampera> It introduces you to basic electrical concepts and how parts interact with each other.
04:33:30 <Federico> thankyou !!
04:33:32 <Federico> have I seen other categories of videos in the blog such as "foundamentals"?
04:33:45 <Federico> What are them?
04:33:59 <Ampera> No clue
04:34:12 <Ampera> Ah, fundamentals.
04:34:15 <Federico> yeah
04:34:26 <Ampera> Those are videos about the basic science about how different parts work.
04:35:12 <Federico> do you think I have to see those too?
04:36:00 <Ampera> You don't /have/ to see anything.
04:36:05 <Ampera> Watch what is interesting to you.
04:37:07 <Federico> Ok but I have to begin somewhere
04:37:31 <Federico> OK I will see the videos you suggest first
04:38:44 <Federico> I hope to learn sooner or later
04:40:36 <Federico> I'm a little sad
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04:52:02 <Federico> other tips?
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08:14:25 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1208 - Circuit Analysis & Debugging https://t.co/OUSfxCbjuE
08:17:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I think you got a fake. Ebay or Aliexpress? https://t.co/leuJlUPW5S
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09:00:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @rasteri: @eevblog I've done it on a PCB https://t.co/mVwfQcLYzn
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11:23:54 <Halcyon> Morning all
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12:12:27 <damian> DONT YOU PEOPLE WORK?!
12:30:22 <Halcyon> Friday is my day off :)
12:40:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RIP Chewbacca https://t.co/4AZZICdfwj
13:27:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I forgot how good my Schmitt Trigger tutorial is, even if I do say so myself... https://t.co/cipNOizlh2
13:49:19 <damian> oh, what a coincidence
13:49:36 <Halcyon> ?
13:51:25 <damian> that Friday is your day off, and you happened to have the day off today
13:51:32 <Halcyon> Funny that
13:52:26 <damian> isn't it just
13:52:29 <damian> what do you do on your days off?
13:52:33 <damian> do you work weekends to get a Friday off?
13:52:42 <Halcyon> Nah I have Fri-Sun off
13:52:57 <Halcyon> Today I'm doing absolutely nothing, in fact, I've already cracked a bottle of wine
13:54:49 <damian> you're such an alcho
13:55:02 <Halcyon> It's my day off
13:55:03 <Halcyon> :P
13:55:16 <Halcyon> Also, its 1400
13:55:23 <Halcyon> Well and truly into drinking time
13:55:58 <Agripa> You should write a script. Call it Office Space or something.
13:56:05 <damian> ahah
13:56:29 <Halcyon> ;-)
14:02:09 <Halcyon> I have a headache :(
14:09:52 <Agripa> I recommend electo-shock.
15:09:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I've gotta say that the @blueorigin booster appears to land a lot move smoothly and confidently than SpaceX does https://t.co/ARQqtBhTEe
15:22:22 <damian> i recommend lobotomy
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16:24:57 <K> hello
16:25:05 <Halcyon> Hi K
16:54:40 * Halcyon prods Ampera
17:03:03 <T3sl4> mmm, mac&cheese
17:04:04 <Halcyon> I'm making mac and cheese tonight too!
17:04:17 <Halcyon> Well in a bake with chicken, bacon and other bits, but essentially the same thing.
17:04:21 <T3sl4> \o/
17:04:33 <T3sl4> chiggun
17:07:42 <Halcyon> Yup :P
17:09:09 * T3sl4 cheddars
17:09:38 <Halcyon> Can I see a photo of your fewd?
17:10:25 <Halcyon> I made chicken and veg sausage rolls for a snack
17:10:33 <Halcyon> Once they come out of the oven, I'll show you my meat
17:12:41 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/MacCheese.jpg
17:12:57 <Halcyon> Oooh coloured spirals
17:12:58 <T3sl4> also cauliflower which may or may not be apparent
17:13:07 <Halcyon> That actually looks nice
17:13:16 <Halcyon> Wait.... are you eating it straight from the pot?
17:13:21 <T3sl4> ye
17:13:30 <Halcyon> Hehehe
17:13:37 <Halcyon> You also have the same keyboard as me
17:13:37 <K> u lazy
17:13:51 <T3sl4> crude bachelor frog meme
17:14:18 <T3sl4> microsoft 400 or whatever
17:15:04 <Halcyon> Yeh, I bought them in a pack of 5 with mice from Dell
17:16:23 <T3sl4> it's cromulent
17:16:25 <Halcyon> Ooh they look nice: https://www.dell.com/en-au/work/shop/dell-keyboard-smartcard-usb/apd/580-18296/pc-accessories
17:16:39 <T3sl4> the one i got some years ago, didn't behave after i took it apart to clean it though
17:17:39 <T3sl4> so i had to get a new one
18:00:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Well you don't say. How about you try not banning people and shadow banning content for starters. Alphabet had more than $70 billion in market cap wiped out, and it says YouTube is one of the problems https://t.co/y3p2itPeh0
18:13:24 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! Dumpster PC Find https://t.co/NSNc86XYnM
18:52:19 * Halcyon 's ears prick up
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19:23:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Q) What would cause a remote direct IP WebDav connection to my lab Synology NAS to continually cycle from 50KB/sec to over 2MB/sec download speed? (mostly under 1MB) Solid 40M internet upload from the lab, 100M download at home. Using WinSCP
19:28:56 <T3sl4> Halcyon, once you go black, you go deaf
19:28:56 <Halcyon> :P
20:15:51 * Ampera prods Halcyon
20:17:45 <K> with what?
20:18:38 <Ampera> with a prodder
20:19:41 <K> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61YI-2bIEfL._SL1500_.jpg ?
20:20:07 <Ampera> I mean that's a cattle prod
20:20:11 <Ampera> not a prodder
20:22:11 <K> uh, okay
20:22:31 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/njvgr6
20:22:36 <Ampera> well this is gonna be fun to clean up
20:23:34 <K> bots?
20:23:56 <Ampera> Over 300 of them
20:37:52 <Ampera> > 350 bot accounts IP, username, and email banned, along with being deleted by hand.
20:39:24 <K> no captcha there?
20:40:02 <Ampera> Of course there is. It just doesn't work.
20:50:05 <Ampera> House cleaned.
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20:50:14 <Ampera> They're all russian bots too
20:50:21 <Ampera> now I need to see what the hell they left for me in attachments.
20:51:05 <Ampera> nothing, how kind of them to not upload viruses to my server
21:01:23 <Halcyon> Heya
21:02:13 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
21:02:26 <Halcyon> Hi Steve :)
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21:18:58 <Guest|44474> Hello
21:19:04 <steve30> o/
21:19:46 <Guest|44474> are you a guest
21:20:02 <K> he is steve.
21:20:17 <Guest|44474> Ok
21:20:23 <K> yes.
21:20:40 <Guest|44474> I just havn't use this forum before
21:21:06 <Guest|44474> but he can be one of the owners of this site, hence my questions
21:21:21 <Guest|44474> never mind, i am only here to search for a project
21:21:58 <K> this isn't actually the forum itself, more like ancillary bucket of suspicious, if harmless, stuff
21:22:09 <Guest|44474> ok
21:22:10 <Guest|44474> thanks
21:22:17 <K> but ask away
21:24:58 <Guest|44474> okay, i need to write a c# application to program stm32 boards - it will involve importing the ST Link CLI into my project, so i was just wodering if anyone has done this or if there is blog post on eevblog. That is why I am here
21:25:18 <Guest|44474> I never knew one could chat here because I am almost always on the youtube channel
21:26:43 <K> uh, windows is not my thing, sorry
21:27:01 <K> but it souldnt be too hard to call an executable with params
21:27:06 <Guest|44474> it is okay, but i can sort of read other languages and get basic ideas
21:27:14 <Guest|44474> python? c++?
21:27:35 <Halcyon> Bahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4
21:28:53 <Halcyon> steve30, I guess it makes more sense in England
21:53:59 <steve30> Halcyon, makes perfect sense :)
21:58:35 <steve30> hmm, i've gone tired again
22:11:04 <Ampera> I just looked back at my forum and another 96 accounts tried to register
22:11:20 <Ampera> I've set registration to approval, so they can keep firing bots, and I'll keep increasing my list of banned IPs
22:11:27 <Ampera> You still around Halcyon?
22:16:00 <Guest|44474> hmmm
22:16:08 <Guest|44474> see u guys. bye for now
22:16:12 <K> byee
22:16:30 <Guest|44474> thanks
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22:27:10 <steve30> Just got a letter for my Orthopaedic appointment. I'm seeing Mr Buckley on the 16th.
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23:56:58 <Halcyon> Ampera, yeh but only for a few minutes
23:57:07 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
23:57:15 <Halcyon> Not too bad, just about to head to bed
23:57:18 <Halcyon> It's just gone midnight
23:57:26 <Ampera> you're up late
23:57:36 <Ampera> I just played some Pavlov VR
23:58:31 <Halcyon> What's that?
23:58:51 <Ampera> shooty shooty bang bang with a box strapped to your face
23:59:01 <Halcyon> Ahh
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