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00:45:45 <Nothing\> lol man do i feel silly
00:46:46 <Nothing\> been thinking about that switch i've been trying to make to switch between composite inputs on my TV, all this time i've been trying to make it out of electronic switches, but i just realized yesterday i've been overthinking this way too much, it'd probably work just fine with passive switches
00:47:05 <Nothing\> guess i was overthinking it way too much
00:47:38 <Nothing\> the picture on the tv wasn't the greatest after sending the signal through a 4066 anyways
00:47:59 <Nothing\> unless that was the noise on the breadboard doing that, which it probably was
00:54:24 <K> aren't there specialised vidoe mux ICs"
00:54:40 <K> ?
00:55:08 <K> with badwidth, impedance matching, apmlifiers and all that
01:03:31 <Nothing\> lol there probably are, i was just using whatever i could find
01:03:45 <Nothing\> which is mostly 7400/4000 stuff
01:24:43 <Nothing\> hey, how come it's not good to use an op amp as a comparator? i mean i always knew it wasn't a good thing, but this TI app note was saying it's unsafe somehow, maybe to the op amp i dunno
01:25:08 <Nothing\> i've made bar graph displays before with lm358s and it seemed to work well enough
01:28:42 <Nothing\> https://www.thelocal.se/20131003/50584
01:28:49 <Nothing\> man crushed by half a ton of bacon, now that's the way to go
01:28:56 <Nothing\> though he seems to have survived
01:40:25 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Combine stranger things, goonies, the breakfast club, ET, jurassic Park, independence day, predator, alien, + a dozen others and add in 1.5hrs of mega cringe, and you have Netflix's #RimOfTheWorld You sit there thinking why haven't I switched this off yet...
01:42:08 <Nothing\> you know, that's the first tweet i've ever seen in my life i think
01:44:35 <Nothing\> that kinda crap is why i cancelled my netflix account, their original series are crap, and for whatever reason it seems that 90% of of the content in general is murderporn
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05:23:35 <rust_collector> moaning, people
05:40:46 <Ampera> rust_collector, did you just assume my mortal state?
05:42:13 <rust_collector> well, you know....
05:42:29 <rust_collector> not going to say
05:46:23 <rust_collector> I picked up my first proper-ish scope today. I am just messing with it now. Being used to an owon usb scope, my bench seems much smaller now
05:46:46 <rust_collector> well, it already was small
05:48:34 <rust_collector> If it was mine, I would gut this piano, and make it into a secret bench-lab sort of thing. I used to think about making it into a bar...
06:47:53 <DHess_US> What proper-ish scope is that?
06:55:06 <rust_collector> oh, hey DHess_US
06:55:34 <rust_collector> it is an old kikusui 5520
06:56:50 <rust_collector> it needs to have some switches cleaned, but other than that, I believe it is working properly
07:21:33 <rust_collector> I got the manual too, which was nice
07:57:03 <DHess_US> So a basic 20MHz single timebase dual trace oscilloscope. You can certainly learn some things with that.
07:57:51 <DHess_US> I assume you got it for a good price.
07:58:08 <rust_collector> yeah, it seems very basic, which is good for me, I guess. It also just looks good
07:58:14 <DHess_US> I used a 30 MHz dual timebase oscilloscope for many years and still have it.
07:58:44 <rust_collector> uhm, I paid $57 for the thing
07:58:52 <DHess_US> That's reasonable if it works.
07:59:14 <DHess_US> I paid $50 for mine but it was considerably older than your Kikusui.
07:59:23 <rust_collector> the guy was still using it when I picked it up, which was good to see.
07:59:29 <DHess_US> And that was back in the late 80s.
07:59:50 <rust_collector> you are also in the us, which seems to have lots more cheap tools
08:00:34 <DHess_US> Yes, the US had a rhobust used instrument market from the aerospace companies selling outdated equipment off in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
08:00:52 <rust_collector> oh well. it looks awesome sitting there, so it does not really matter
08:00:54 <DHess_US> I have a universal timer/counter which came from NASA.
08:01:20 <DHess_US> That oscilloscope has a very useful XY mode which will work better than a DSO.
08:01:33 <DHess_US> If you have any use for XY mode of course.
08:01:51 <rust_collector> well, we have to wait and see...
08:02:46 <rust_collector> I still have the owon thing, which I guess has more features, but I really do like knobs
08:07:20 <DHess_US> These are more my style. They have plenty of controls. https://i.ibb.co/c18BRHg/4.jpg
08:08:01 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
08:08:17 <rust_collector> I would probably get lost in the settings there
08:13:05 <DHess_US> If you look carefully, it isn't that much more complicated, https://www.sglabs.it/public/SgLabs_Tektronix_2232_1.JPG
08:14:11 <rust_collector> I imagine I would maybe want those cursors, if nothing else
08:15:55 <DHess_US> Here is the analog only version. The only functional difference between it and what you have is dual timebases, https://www.used-line.com/picturesauto/925/11261925.jpg
08:17:00 <Ampera> damian, I wish to apologize, it's a few click cert renewal, since a few clicks go to disabling my reverse proxy (which takes up port 80 needed for the auth
08:17:32 <Ampera> LetsEncrypt just emailed me to renew as I had 20 days left, so I just did it
08:28:10 <DHess_US> This is my 30MHz dual trace oscilloscope, http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/Lavoie_LA-265A
08:29:05 <DHess_US> No transistors in it.
08:30:00 <rust_collector> "produced from ? to ?" hehe
08:35:03 <rust_collector> http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/Lavoie_LA-265A#/media/File:Lavoie_la-265a_2.jpg
08:35:13 <rust_collector> that would be a nice welding cart...
08:46:17 <DHess_US> I have the carts for it.
08:46:41 <rust_collector> with dual handles, it looks like you would need a cart
08:47:04 <rust_collector> it does look nice and industrial
08:49:59 <DHess_US> Yes. And it weighs enough to require those handles and a cart.
08:50:31 <DHess_US> It really takes two people to move it.
08:58:21 <rust_collector> wow, 4 pages about manual or auto trans
09:33:31 <DHess_US> Plus another post I just made.
09:37:15 <rust_collector> sachs-o-matic
09:38:21 <rust_collector> I really did enjoy "comfort shift" from man (truck) it was just a clutch button on the shifter.
09:39:15 <rust_collector> you still had the pedal, to get it started, but then you just used the button to shift.
09:39:36 <rust_collector> it really was just an air cylinder, I believe, on the clutch linkage
09:39:48 <rust_collector> I am easily amused
09:45:34 <rust_collector> well, good night
09:45:37 Quit: rust_collector ([email protected]) Quit: Lost terminal
09:51:57 <DHess_US> Sounds like this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostick
09:54:03 <DHess_US> Hmm, Friday night. I receive a 3 foot piece of 3/8-24 tempered steel threaded rod today in the mail. I bet I could get into trouble with that.
10:55:35 <Halcyon> Morning all
11:10:06 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
11:10:09 <Ampera> how do
11:10:45 <Halcyon> Doing OK, how about you?
11:11:39 <steve30> hi
11:11:44 <steve30> I just woke up
11:11:48 <Halcyon> Me too Steve
11:11:55 <Halcyon> Well about an hour ago, just having my first coffee for the day
11:12:04 <steve30> I should have coffee
11:12:33 * steve30 eyes up Halcyon's coffee cup :p
11:16:02 <Halcyon> It's black, no sugar
11:17:12 <Ampera> bLACK
11:19:23 <DHess_US> Black coffee matters
11:19:54 <Ampera> [citation needed]
11:24:34 * steve30 watches an LGR thrifting thing
11:26:40 * damian throws an old tv at steve30
11:26:58 <Halcyon> I like his thrift videos
11:27:06 <Halcyon> I wish thrift stores were more of a thing here
11:27:11 <Ampera> I like imagining my death
11:27:28 <Ampera> Seeing myself in my mind suffer and bleed
11:28:28 <steve30> I used to like the idea of death.
11:28:36 <steve30> I spent many years feeling suicidal.
11:28:48 <steve30> Not so much these days though.
11:28:48 <Ampera> It's a warming thought.
11:29:01 <Ampera> More to imagine and talk about than to actually do.
11:30:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Spammers & astroturfers on the EEVblog forum are hilarious. They email crying they have been banned saying they have no idea why. It's because it's easy to track you moron. Bonus Pro Tip: Don't use an email domain that links back to your company via another googleable employee. https://t.co/DyTkUFPJqL
11:34:53 <steve30> Now I want another coffee
11:38:08 <Ampera> Halcyon do you want to see something stupid?
11:38:16 <Halcyon> Maybe
11:38:45 <damian> im bored
11:38:46 <damian> plz entertain me
11:38:58 * Halcyon wiggles around in front of damian
11:39:05 <Ampera> I want to be fucked brutally by a large penis
11:39:07 <Halcyon> You can come and help me clean my gutters if you want?
11:39:14 <Ampera> hold up Xpra is losing its shit, let me reconnect
11:39:20 <T3sl4> Halcyon, get your mind out of the gutter
11:39:24 <damian> i dont know if i can help you with that Ampera
11:39:36 <damian> i mean, i fit the bill i think?? but it's not my style
11:39:43 * Halcyon smirks at T3sl4
11:39:46 <Ampera> There you go, by your own admission you have a small penis.
11:39:55 <Halcyon> I'll be playing with my high pressure hose ;-)
11:40:10 <damian> stop wiggling Halcyon, unless you're dressed in girls clothes
11:40:19 <Ampera> https://twitter.com/NRO/status/1131945602512752640
11:40:22 <Ampera> there's the stupid
11:40:23 <Halcyon> Is that all it takes to get you into bed? Girls clothes?
11:40:25 <damian> me have a small penis?!
11:40:29 <damian> people say it's not small :(
11:40:45 <Halcyon> WTF is that Ampera?!
11:40:49 <Halcyon> What does that even mean?
11:41:00 <Ampera> that gay people are actually straight
11:41:04 <Ampera> thank you for comming to my ted talk
11:41:08 <damian> hahaha
11:41:11 <Halcyon> Oh gees
11:41:15 <Halcyon> The world is fucked
11:41:25 <Halcyon> We need more intellectuals, stat!
11:41:26 <Ampera> it's a clown world Halcyon
11:41:33 <Halcyon> That's a very good way of putting it
11:41:41 <Ampera> then you're racist
11:41:46 <Ampera> because only racists think it's a good way of putting it
11:41:50 <Halcyon> I don't care
11:41:52 <Ampera> *honk* *honk*
11:41:56 <Halcyon> Heheh
11:42:04 <damian> bonk bonk
11:42:16 <Halcyon> Oh here we go, you've set damian off
11:42:18 <damian> why isn't there a big group of horny girls on austnet
11:42:23 <damian> why does it have to be a group of horny guys
11:42:38 <Halcyon> Because guys are better, derr
11:42:43 <damian> not for my needs
11:42:53 <Halcyon> Well that's the life choice you made ;-)
11:42:57 <Ampera> did you just assume my gender
11:43:14 <damian> we went through this already Ampera
11:43:24 <steve30> I got a letter from the orthopaedic consultant yesterday outlining the issues with my hips. I also rang the hospital to ask if they'd send me copies of the X-Rays.
11:43:27 <damian> i know you're a bipedal albatross
11:43:30 <Halcyon> Ampera, if you didn't have a peen, I reckon damian would have a crack
11:43:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, thanks that just makes me feel worse
11:43:48 <Ampera> not really, in order to feel worse, I need to feel at all
11:43:48 <damian> yeah, that peen does me no favours
11:43:59 <T3sl4> it's hip to hug steve30
11:44:01 <Halcyon> It should make you feel better, I'm not sure damian is your type
11:44:13 <Ampera> yeah he's not as smart as I'd want someone
11:44:16 <Ampera> oh well
11:44:18 <Halcyon> I reckon you would be more into lumberjacks, someone who can throw you around a bit
11:44:30 <Ampera> those fucking cannuckians?
11:44:31 <Halcyon> Or Steve, with all his whips and chains
11:44:31 <Ampera> fuck no
11:44:38 <Ampera> and whips and chains are stupid
11:44:38 <damian> i have a lumberjack outfit
11:45:26 <Ampera> damian, are you aryan?
11:45:43 <Halcyon> Is that your type Ampera?
11:46:01 <Ampera> Halcyon, need to make sure it's compatible with my German heratige
11:46:11 <Halcyon> Because that would make me your type
11:46:26 <Ampera> well you would be if you were smarter and straighter
11:46:30 <damian> i'm not
11:46:37 <Halcyon> I'm plenty straight acting
11:46:39 <Ampera> damian, what are you then?
11:46:41 <damian> i'm aussie/english
11:46:41 <Halcyon> I'm also very intelligent
11:46:44 <steve30> I think Halcyon and Ampera would make a cute couple :)
11:46:47 <damian> https://i.imgur.com/AFWU4um.jpg
11:46:49 <Halcyon> Hahaha
11:46:51 <damian> my lumberjack outfit
11:46:56 <Ampera> damian, that's aryan
11:46:58 <Ampera> or close enough anyways
11:47:15 <Halcyon> I don't think lumberjacks shop at Gazman damian :P
11:47:28 <Ampera> can you even call it a lumberjack outfit if it's a thin shirt, and not red/black?
11:47:30 <Halcyon> Steve: You're my type
11:47:33 <Halcyon> I like them twinky
11:47:57 <damian> the metrosexual ones do
11:47:58 <Ampera> I have yet to meet a person I'd be willing to spend the rest of my life with, and I am under the full understanding that it may never happen.
11:48:09 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap and meows
11:48:29 <Halcyon> :P
11:49:38 <Halcyon> I need to stop talking shit and get up on the roof
11:49:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, no, don't jump
11:49:48 <Halcyon> The gutters aren't going to clean themselves
11:50:09 <Halcyon> I should actually hose off the solar panels too, I think they are covered in ash from all the backburning
11:51:14 <damian> urface is covered in ash
11:51:31 <Halcyon> Good one :P
11:51:36 <damian> i thought so
11:51:37 <Halcyon> I might go masturbate first though
11:51:40 <damian> how's the wine today?
11:51:43 <damian> masturbate
11:51:45 <damian> that's a bit crude
11:51:50 <Ampera> I've never done that before
11:52:27 <Halcyon> Wine? It's barely midday
11:52:37 <damian> yeah but you love your wine
11:52:39 <Halcyon> Why is it crude? Everyone except Ampera masturbates
11:52:54 <damian> my peen doesn't come out of my pants unless i'm showering
11:53:00 <Halcyon> Lies
11:53:06 <damian> nuh uh
11:53:09 <Ampera> virgin
11:53:29 <Ampera> >.>
11:53:54 <damian> do you enjoy looking at sexy bodies, Ampera?
11:54:07 <Ampera> damian, I don't even know what sexy is anymore
11:54:22 <Ampera> I look at porn, but I only do it to make me feel sad
11:54:41 <Ampera> y'all don't even know what I look at anyways
11:55:04 <damian> because you wont tell us
11:55:15 <Ampera> mmm, yeah
11:55:27 <Ampera> that way you'll be lead on forever and ever
11:56:04 <damian> lead on?
11:56:21 <Ampera> *led
11:56:31 <damian> but i dont know what you mean by lead on
11:56:46 <Ampera> as in I will make you keep wondering and guessing
11:57:31 <steve30> on that subject, yesterday's online order shipped.
11:57:47 <Ampera> gonna get myself a slice of pork parmasean
11:58:00 <damian> ahhh
11:58:39 <damian> but it's so little of a tease that it's meaningless
11:59:05 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to go do some housework
11:59:40 <damian> no you're not, you're going to masturbate
11:59:41 <damian> hethen
11:59:48 <Halcyon> Later
12:00:00 <damian> why not both
12:00:00 <Halcyon> It's already midday and I've done nothing
12:00:28 <damian> that's fair enough .. though what do you actually have to do
12:08:25 <steve30> I think I'll go out on the bike this morning and call at a cafe for coffee and cake :)
12:53:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, US moderation of @Youtube content really sucks. Trending Tab data analysed: https://t.co/WGG7CnMfMn
12:57:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And wow (but no surprise to anyone really) traditional new media vs alternative new media for trending https://t.co/zQLlnT1mPf
12:57:27 <DHess_US> Well, that was interesting. Upgraded a 2 drive windows storage spaces to 3 drives.
12:57:59 <DHess_US> There was a bug, of course.
13:07:30 <Halcyon> Ampera, your jerky arrived today
13:07:31 <Halcyon> :)
13:07:43 <Ampera> mmm jerky
13:08:13 <Halcyon> I'm sending you Kangaroo, Chilli and Pepper Steak
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13:10:19 <Halcyon> Anyway, time to get back up on the roof.
13:10:40 <Ampera> Halcyon, men at work
13:10:48 <Halcyon> That's me :)
13:11:02 <Ampera> down under
13:12:58 <ibiza> lol
13:21:45 <DHess_US> I have that CD.
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15:01:36 * Halcyon noms on jerked meat
15:04:36 <Halcyon> YAY! New Ashens video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSuUnuohFwY
15:09:28 <Halcyon> That looks fucking dreadful
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19:54:19 <damian> friendssss
19:54:28 <Ampera> morning
19:54:39 <damian> how are you doing bud
19:54:41 * DogWomble waves at damian and Ampera
19:54:46 <damian> hey womble
19:54:51 <damian> so your nickname
19:55:07 <damian> are you saying that a womble had relations with a dog and you're the product of?
19:55:31 <Ampera> that's a good question
19:55:35 <Ampera> (about how I'm doing)
19:55:42 <damian> why, how ARE you doing?!
19:56:12 <Ampera> that's a good question
19:56:22 <Ampera> I guess the better one is how will I be doing
19:56:30 <damian> well well well, that is a better one
19:56:34 <damian> how will you be doing?!
19:56:40 <Ampera> that's a good question
19:56:52 <DogWomble> well well well, three holes in the ground
19:56:54 <Ampera> I have an appointment with the rapist today.
19:56:56 <K> hello
19:56:59 <Ampera> hello
19:57:18 <damian> are they going to touch you inappropriately .. in the brain?
19:57:29 <Ampera> so this is a somewhat stressful day for a plethora of reasons
19:57:59 <Ampera> I mark it as a point of starting on a journey that I feel very iffy on taking, but that I feel I have to
19:58:35 <Ampera> I've never been to a therapist before, and the last time a specialist in my particular field of fucked was "consulted" she sent my mom death threats
19:58:35 <damian> you are talking about a therapist, right?
19:58:39 <damian> cool
19:58:40 <Ampera> yes
19:59:01 <damian> you're seeing them for some specific reasons yeah?
19:59:09 <damian> like why you vomit when you eat vegetables? :P
19:59:12 <Ampera> no
19:59:15 <Ampera> not that
19:59:22 <Ampera> not sure if you noticed, but I'm fucking insane
19:59:28 <Ampera> so I'm hoping to get a fix on with that
19:59:32 <damian> it's the internet, a lot of people are
19:59:51 <Ampera> if you want the descriptor, it's gender dysphoria
19:59:52 <damian> i have noticed today that you've lost your desire to use correct capitalisation on your text though
20:00:10 <K> it's the little things!
20:00:17 <Ampera> I capitalize on my capitalization when I want to.
20:00:41 <Ampera> anyways, it's an issue plagued with horrible people who say they want to help you
20:00:42 <damian> oh yeah, that's fair enough
20:00:54 <Ampera> but end up doing things like threatening parents when they don't want to drug their children
20:00:56 <DogWomble> capitalisation is for grammar nazis
20:01:00 <damian> so are you seeing them because you're not sure of your designed gender, or you're sure of what it should be?
20:01:08 <Ampera> designed gender
20:01:19 <Ampera> yes my gender was designed in a lab by a team of specialists
20:01:35 <K> did they do a good job?
20:01:42 <Ampera> I'm not gonna get pedantic about descriptivism and termionology, just know that it's a fucking nightmare of a condition
20:01:56 <damian> yeah, i couldn't even imagine. i feel for you
20:02:14 <Ampera> almost entirely because not only do you have to deal with the fuckwits who will be asses to you because they just don't like trans people, you also have to deal with having one of the worst communities possible for an issue like this
20:02:53 <Ampera> People are lied to and threatened on a regular basis into transitioning, and families get conned and scammed into drugging their children.
20:02:55 <Ampera> I've seen it happen
20:03:32 <Ampera> The "community" is more like a cultist mob, who will destroy anyone who tries to go against party lines
20:04:03 <Ampera> and, sadly enough, societal expectations are even more restrictive if you choose to associate
20:04:29 <Ampera> so with all that added up, I am very much not looking forward to this appointment, even though I need to do it
20:04:51 <DogWomble> yeah i remember you talking about that before, i don't see how that viewpoint works, it's not something i've had to think about myself but i'd imagine you don't just transition on a whim, you transition when you're emotionally and financially ready to
20:05:08 <Ampera> DogWomble, you're supposed to
20:05:11 <DogWomble> not when some community thinks you should
20:05:25 <Ampera> That's how it happens worldwide.
20:05:45 <Ampera> There is little if any care put into making sure people actually want to transition, and every effort made into convincing people it's the right choice.
20:06:02 <Ampera> The therapists and the people they treat are all like that
20:06:34 <Ampera> My parents consulted one of the foremost experts in the field of trans therapy and treatment, someone who literally helped write the book on how to treat trans people.
20:07:25 <Ampera> My mom went for a visit, without me, though with my knowlege and approval, and without ever seeing me, she diagnosed me, started demanding I join into support groups I was opposed to joining, demanded my parents join political groups she led, and demanded I be put on dangerous an irriversible hormone blockers.
20:08:05 <Ampera> When my mom decided to simply stop interacting with her, she was personally and unprofessionally contacted, with Lev telling my mom how she was broken and weak and how she needed her
20:08:17 <Ampera> and that without her support and the drugs she demanded I take, I would kill myself.
20:08:53 <Ampera> This person is world famous for her work on this issue, she has talked about it internationally, and helped write the standards of care
20:09:03 <Ampera> and she gave my mom a death threat
20:10:40 <damian> forgive me if i'm using the wrong terminology here, i've only had a bit of exposure to gender dysphoria
20:11:01 <damian> do you feel like you're trapped in the wrong body?
20:11:10 <damian> also, tell me to nick off if i'm getting too personal :P
20:13:58 <Ampera> lol
20:14:13 <Ampera> damian, that's part of the problem, people get all caught up in terminology
20:14:24 <Ampera> don't call me that, call me this, and the person who told you to call me that was a fucking nazi
20:14:54 <Ampera> That's what happens when you drastically change the body chemistry and life of a person who has nothing wrong with them. They become insecure and unable to deal with life.
20:15:27 <Ampera> There is no one way to describe gender dysphoria, as all are useless to some degree.
20:16:05 <Ampera> The question of what do I want has weighed incredibly heavily on my mind, as I struggle to find the true differences between male and female, and how those apply to me.
20:17:05 <Ampera> The best explanation I can give you is this, it's elements of everything, but to moderate extents, and it boils down to the fact that I cannot change my gender
20:17:06 <K> "what do I want" in general is not an easy question
20:17:17 <Ampera> I can only try to do things that make me think I have
20:17:42 <Ampera> but with little choice, that seems to be one of my only remaining options.
20:18:09 <Ampera> Change my body so that I can forget that I am male, even if it's an illusion I must maintain.
20:18:36 <Ampera> Embrace some of the societal differences that are generally present, but not to the point of insanity or strangeness
20:19:04 <Ampera> There is no cure for my type of broken, there is only things I can try, and compromises I can make.
20:19:21 <damian> why can't you change your gender?
20:19:52 <Ampera> damian, why could I/
20:20:15 <Ampera> To change my gender would mean that there are definitive things about me that could be different.
20:20:25 <Ampera> I can change my body, but to many degrees, that doesn't really define gender.
20:20:37 <Ampera> I can change how I talk, how I walk, maybe even how I think and feel, but is that gender?
20:21:17 <Ampera> Chemistry and reproductive organs are probably the most scientifically definitive examples of gender, yet I cannot (for the most part) change those.
20:22:00 <Ampera> Yet, those are my options, and with the wish to be another gender, as abstract as that is, I need to do things to give myself a life illusion that I can live with, instead of being able to truly change gender.
20:25:27 <damian> i guess changing your sex is somethign you can control, but maybe not your gender
20:25:46 <Ampera> People like to separate the terms sex and gender
20:25:50 <Ampera> to what you are and how you feel
20:25:59 <damian> yeah
20:26:16 <Ampera> I used them more or less synonymously, simply because I don't know if that separation is truly warranted.
20:26:25 <Ampera> What mentally differentiates a female from a male?
20:26:34 <Ampera> Tropes? Traits? Tendencies?
20:26:37 <damian> i think it needs to come down to dictionary style definition
20:27:06 <DogWomble> yeah, that's how i understood it - sex was what happened downstairs, gender was what happened upstairs
20:27:12 <Ampera> as I said, the terminology is a clusterfuck
20:27:25 <Ampera> invented by people trying to explain what can't be quantified.
20:27:27 <damian> i haven't looked it up, but i'd say your sex is defined by wither or not you have the genetalia of either (or both for herma)
20:27:36 <Ampera> but gender?
20:27:36 <damian> gender is more the feeling of what you believe you should be
20:27:45 <damian> but that second one i have no idea on any kind of actual definition
20:27:48 <Ampera> I don't know what I /should/ be.
20:28:08 <Ampera> Should means someone or something else is engaging me to be a certain way, though that is not true.
20:28:26 <Ampera> what use is a definition if it has no useful meaning
20:28:31 <Ampera> if a word means nothing
20:28:41 <damian> that's what seems to be extremely muddied at the moment, a 'gender' is defined as male, female, and all of the other modern age ones
20:28:58 <damian> i always thought sex/gender were the same thing, there are only three; male, female and the mix of both
20:29:17 <Ampera> damian, this is where things get tribalistic.
20:29:24 <damian> yup, most definitely
20:29:28 <Ampera> Gender is almost like a religion at this point, with people interpreting it differently
20:29:34 <Ampera> and being as nasty as any other crusade
20:29:37 <damian> that's what i believe
20:29:42 <Ampera> while I suffer, others fight
20:29:58 <Ampera> I personally believe there is male and female gender/sex
20:30:05 <Ampera> with gender and sex being the same thing
20:30:38 <Ampera> to me, I might want to be treated like I'm the other sex, I might want to live a life more typical of one the other sex does, and I might want to look more like the other sex
20:30:57 <DogWomble> yeah i remember hearing someone mention they knew of something like seven genders, i'll be honest i'm not quite sure how that makes sense, or even if it does make sense
20:31:01 <Ampera> but we cannot turn me into the other sex truly. All we can try to do is change what might matter to me
20:31:06 <damian> what are those other things, for the life of me my mind is drawing a blank
20:31:13 <DogWomble> i wouldn't mind getting a better explanation of how that works
20:31:22 <Ampera> The issue with multiple genders is that it attributes concepts to the idea of gender that do not exist.
20:31:41 <damian> there needs to be a subclass of sex/gender for all of the new fangled types going around
20:31:43 <Ampera> Gender and sex are derived from biology, they are two models of the same device that serve different, but cooperative functions.
20:32:02 <damian> because at the core of it, you are one of three sex/genders, and you can have a subcontext of whatever
20:32:02 <Ampera> Mentally and physically there are differences, but with so many examples, those mental differences start to blur
20:32:07 <Ampera> and society blurs them ever fuzzier
20:32:40 <Ampera> DogWomble, there is none, it's pure and unmediated making up of whatever.
20:32:58 <Ampera> The only reason there are multiple genders is because they are symbols and identities, not because they are actually relevant.
20:33:29 <Ampera> Even intergender (between genders) is shaky, because that relies on there being something important about gender, and the combination that just doesn't exist.
20:33:47 <Ampera> Females can be muscular, with deep voices, and crass attitudes, wearing plainer and baggier clothing
20:34:10 <Ampera> while men can be weak, with higher, softer voices, and polite attitudes, with more intricate and expressive clothing.
20:34:40 <Ampera> That doesn't make them not men, or not women, and since biology is much off the table, there's not much left it leaves
20:34:47 <Ampera> besides an identity, and what people say
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