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38:14 <T3sl4> Ampera? https://i.imgur.com/Yc0yRSs.jpg
38:31 <Ampera> I don't lick myself though
55:47 <T3sl4> but if i sent the card
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44:03 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
44:10 <Nothing\> hey Ampera how goes it?
44:25 <Ampera> Just witnessing someone's career ending
46:09 <Ampera> ProJared, a formerly 1M+ sub YouTuber and part of NormalBoots just came out as having cheated on his wife for months on end.
46:18 <Nothing\> aww damn man
46:21 <Nothing\> i love projared
46:35 <Nothing\> i just binged his videos again recently
46:45 <Ampera> WIth PeanutButterGamer (and even more popular YouTuber) basically telling ProJared's wife it wasn't alright to be upset, and that she shouldn't talk about it in public.
46:48 <Nothing\> this is more disappointing than jontron's views on immigrants
47:00 <Nothing\> well, she shouldn't talk about it in public
47:11 <Nothing\> that's not our business, it's hers and Jared's
47:18 <Nothing\> but she should definitely be upset
47:27 <Ampera> Her husband has been lying to and cheating on her for months, she has all right to do whatever she wants with that information.
47:36 <Ampera> and nobody has the right to tell her to stop talking about it, it's her issue
47:38 <Nothing\> oh yeah absolutely she has the right to
47:45 <Nothing\> i'm just saying it's not really... ideal
47:51 <Ampera> That's her call.
48:02 <Nothing\> it won't benefit her or jared in any way and will only serve to fuel the drama
48:14 <Nothing\> but damn man, that's so disappointing
48:26 <Nothing\> jared was such a likeable guy, he even looks like a non-ginger version of my brother
48:27 <Ampera> Oh, and it also came out that Jared was also soliciting nude pictures from his fans, I believe even underage fans.
48:33 <Nothing\> oh damn
48:46 <Nothing\> i can see that, especially after the jewario debacle, you ever hear about that?
49:21 <Ampera> The joke is PBG and all of NormalBoots fucking went after JonTron for what he said, but now they're staying quiet and even defending Jared for adultery and potential pedophilia
49:30 <Nothing\> dammit, now i've got the theme from projared stuck in my head lol
49:32 <Ampera> No I didn't.
49:43 <Ampera> I've never watched him, I always loved JonTron though.
49:50 <Ampera> and actually had a discussion on Reddit recently about what he said.
50:01 <Nothing\> ah, jewario was a youtube gamer on the same sort of gaming community type sites that these guys frequent
50:12 <Ampera> Personally I think some of it was taken farther than it should have, and at the end of the day, I think he was on the spot and doesn't actually believe the things he said.
50:22 <Nothing\> he killed himself years back, but afterwards it came out that he was in heat over sexually assaulting some underage fans
50:36 <Nothing\> apparently he routinely used his celebrity status to take advantage of fans
50:43 <Nothing\> but none of this came out until after he died
51:26 <Nothing\> pat the nes punk did a good bit on it on his cupodcast
51:56 <Ampera> This is a YouTube community I'm not that connected to. I'm more connected to the skeptic community
51:58 <Nothing\> which if you don't watch that, you should, it's about the only gaming news i consume, i love watching him and ian banter on
52:00 <Ampera> and even then not so much
52:13 <Nothing\> yeah i'm not really a part of the community, but i like the content it produces
52:16 <Ampera> I used to watch the co-optional podcast, but then
52:19 <Ampera> well that happened
52:53 <Nothing\> either way, the guy cheated on his wife which is shitty, but really it has nothing to do with his career in terms of affecting it in any tangible way
53:02 <Nothing\> i never got why adultery ruins peoples' careers like that
53:18 <Nothing\> and why everybody acts like they're so perfect when it comes to light that a celebrity screwed up
53:33 <Ampera> Oh I forgot to tell you who it was with.
53:37 <Nothing\> everybody screws up, some more publicly than others, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be treated more harshly
53:38 <Ampera> It was with one of the Game Grumps' ex wife
53:43 <Nothing\> oh okay
53:45 <Ampera> forgot who
53:46 <Nothing\> that explains it
53:57 <Nothing\> there's a lot of drama around game grumps anyways
54:03 <Ampera> and it wasn't an, oops found out in bed thing
54:12 <Nothing\> i never watched them though, aside from jontron
54:18 <Ampera> it was I think a 4 month shitshow
54:18 <Nothing\> but i never cared for the show itself
54:36 <Ampera> I didn't even know JonTron was in it until he left.
54:44 <Ampera> Otherwise I would have watched them, because I absolutely love JonTron
54:55 <Ampera> and kinda wish he'd go back to doing games, even though I do like his content now.
55:01 <Ampera> It's just not as good as his gaming stuff imo
55:02 <Nothing\> me too, i still watch him despite his political views
55:11 <Ampera> I don't think he has those political views though
55:22 <Nothing\> no he came out and said he was anti-immigration
55:34 <Ampera> I'm anti-immigration of a sort.
55:35 <Nothing\> afaik this is based on stuff he said himself
56:08 <Ampera> Well, idk, it depends on the immigration, where people come from, how it ends up.
56:28 <Nothing\> it's a difficult topic, i mean you can't very well blindly accept everybody for lack of resources, but you have to keep in mind that many of our ancestors were in similar positions and if not for the graciousness of the american forefathers we wouldn't even have a home in such wonderful countries
56:36 <Ampera> I don't think people should be just straight up not allowed to live here
56:51 <Ampera> For me it's not a resource thing, it's a, will the people we let in integrate into America, or will they be a problem?
57:02 <Nothing\> yeah i think they should be allowed to come in so long as they do it proper, but i think the requirements could stand to be less stringent as well
57:10 <Ampera> Yeah I agree with that too.
57:17 <Nothing\> not integrating isn't necessarily problematic
57:25 <Ampera> Idk, I think my main frustration with JonTron is how everyone took his views to measure him as a person.
57:44 <Ampera> What he has are ideas, but I don't think he discriminates against anyone, or is really racist in general.
57:57 <Ampera> Nothing\, you specifically used that word to annoy me
57:59 <Ampera> I fucking know you did
58:02 <Nothing\> what word?
58:06 <Ampera> problematic
58:09 <Ampera> it's the stupidest fucking word
58:12 <Nothing\> oh lol what's wrong with that word?
58:20 <Nothing\> nah, irregardless is a stupid word
58:29 <Nothing\> misunderestimate is a stupid word
58:45 <Ampera> Because it gets used in such an almost cop-out way.
58:52 <Nothing\> ah i can see that
59:02 <Nothing\> being one of those buzz words people throw around to sound smart
59:03 <Ampera> It's like an issue isn't a problem, it just has a hint of being one.
59:07 <Ampera> That too.
59:21 <Nothing\> oh i just use it in the context of being an adjective for the word problem
59:41 <Ampera> use a problem
59:49 <Nothing\> but yeah in general i hate it when people use language to sound smart
59:52 <Ampera> Toxic is the other one.
59:56 <Nothing\> even though i'll admit i've done it before
00:09 <Nothing\> you know what word i hate? at least in pop culture, is triggered
00:27 <Nothing\> i feel it trivializes everyone who's ever experienced a traumatic event
00:36 <Nothing\> at least in the context of "oh stop being so triggered"
00:52 <Ampera> whenever I see triggered I think niggered
00:55 <Nothing\> or really any language that trivializes mental health problems like that, like ocd, or bipolar
01:01 <Nothing\> heh
01:03 <Ampera> fucking autists amir?
01:08 <Ampera> people downy soft
01:12 <Nothing\> is that a think autists do?
01:17 <Nothing\> *thing
01:20 <Ampera> no I'm giving other examples.
01:23 <Nothing\> ah
01:42 <Nothing\> hrm i've never come across the word autist much
01:47 <Ampera> autistic
01:59 <Ampera> sort of like a nicer form of autistics, which isn't a word
02:03 <Nothing\> never really heard it used in an off the cuff offensive manner
02:17 <Ampera> I know, it's retarded, right?
02:17 <Nothing\> i had one person try to tell me not to refer to people as being "diabetic"
02:23 <Nothing\> but rather as a "person with diabetes"
02:30 <Nothing\> which as a diabetic myself i think is stupid
02:31 <Ampera> nani the fuck
02:37 <Ampera> fucking DIABEETUS
02:41 <Nothing\> the beetus
02:59 <Nothing\> on my grave stone i should put "diabeetus beat us"
03:04 <Ampera> Idk, I'm of a mind that if you start joking about a topic, it gets less serious.
03:16 <Nothing\> it can definitely lead to trivializing the topic
03:31 <Ampera> I'm also of a mind that in common conversation, trivialization isn't such a bad thing.
03:40 <Nothing\> but in small, balanced amounts, levity can also provide some much needed... not sure of the word, lessening of heavy emotions regarding a topic
03:51 <Ampera> I use humor, especially self-deprecating humor, to make life's problems not as serious.
04:19 <Ampera> I think for me it's the power we give words. I don't like the idea of individual words being able to cause considerable harm.
04:31 <Ampera> It's giving power to people to hurt others, and it just shouldn't be an issue.
04:55 <Nothing\> it doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing, but it can definitely lead to a bad thing in the same way as incorrect information, in that it can spread like a disease between people, one concept that starts off as levity can grow into something that's passed between people and causes genuine problems
04:58 <Nothing\> or so it seems
05:11 <Nothing\> yeah it's weird the power we give words
05:23 <Nothing\> and it is absolutely the words, not the ideas behind them, most of the time anyways
05:30 <Ampera> Nothing\, we've given transgenderism/gender dysphoria all the seriousness it needs, it's been given more respect in the last 10 years than it has in the last 1000
05:44 <Nothing\> because it's acceptable to use other words in place of them, ie fudge, while the intention behind the word still remains
05:45 <Ampera> yet it's directly caused the issue to worsen and for people to be seriously hurt and abused by it.
05:51 <Nothing\> which imo is the same thing as saying the word itself
05:59 <Nothing\> it doesn't matter what you say but what the intent behind it is
06:28 <Nothing\> at least people don't seem to have that attitude towards racist language
06:47 <Ampera> The thing is racism isn't a medical problem, it's a state of mind.
06:59 <Ampera> To me, racist language is a joke, making fun of a bad time.
08:00 <Nothing\> it can be absolutely, but some people can also see that as an opportunity to express their racist views
08:24 <Ampera> Racists mostly only have the power to be racist if you take them seriously.
08:24 <soulreap> hi
08:28 <Ampera> It's like any schoolyard bully.
08:31 <Ampera> hullo
08:32 <Nothing\> personally i've been called a racist just because i said a black guy looked like eddie murphy cuz i was stoned
08:34 <Nothing\> lol
08:39 <Nothing\> hey soulreap how goes it?
08:48 <soulreap> i hav a frend who is racist
08:55 <Ampera> I've been called racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, a nazi, a communist
08:58 <Nothing\> how do you put up with it?
09:07 <Nothing\> or has it just become like a fact of life with him
09:12 <soulreap> i tell him lots about it but then he laughs
09:15 <Ampera> I don't think I've ever met someone truly racist.
09:19 <Nothing\> like "oh there goes crazy old racist jim bob"
09:41 <Nothing\> Ampera: yeah me neither, although it's more common in canada than most people probably think
09:45 <Ampera> I've met people who may have gone too far for other people's tastes, I've met some people with some crazy ideas, but I've always been distant from it.
10:02 <Ampera> Well that's not true.
10:03 <Nothing\> there's a lot of racism towards indians and pakistanis and people from the mideast here
10:08 <Ampera> I have met racists, but they've all been racist against white people.
10:20 <soulreap> my frend is racist abotu everything i think
10:21 <Nothing\> hell back in the 90's it was perfectly normal to refer to somebody from india as a paki even
10:25 <Nothing\> perfectly socially acceptable
10:28 <Ampera> Self deprecating white people, people who believe in things like mass reparations, checking your privilege
10:41 <Nothing\> soulreap: it seems like racism, to a degree anyways, is a form of scapegoating
10:44 <Ampera> soulreap, you can't be racist about everything, you can only be racist about race.
11:01 <Nothing\> hey man, the best way to get out of jury duty is to say you're prejudiced against all races
11:08 <soulreap> idk he says n word lots
11:19 <Nothing\> actually that's another thing that was normal in the 90's
11:47 <Ampera> I say nigger whenever I feel like it, that doesn't make me racist
11:48 <Nothing\> throwing around the n word like it was nothing, not necessarily in a directly disparaging manner, but in an off the cuff sorta way in day to day conversation
11:49 <Ampera> that just makes me rude
11:58 <Ampera> Nothing\, that's normal today.
12:04 <Nothing\> maybe in the states
12:06 <Nothing\> especially the south
12:13 <Ampera> No, up here too.
12:18 <soulreap> idk then
12:22 <Nothing\> ah crap i should get my ass into gear
12:27 <Nothing\> i really don't wanna go out though
12:28 <Ampera> It's more of a thing among black people, since it's not really racist if they say it
12:36 <Ampera> but I also don't believe in the concept of it's alright if we do it.
12:44 <Ampera> either everyone or nobody can say it
12:50 <Nothing\> oh see that's where you're mistaken, black people don't say nigger, they say niggA
12:50 <Ampera> and I much rather everyone
12:54 <Nothing\> cuz there's a huge difference lol
13:14 <Ampera> in my mind it's the same word
13:18 <Nothing\> a white english teacher talked all about the difference on the news once
13:19 <Ampera> but also in my mind I don't care
13:54 <Nothing\> lol here
13:55 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLDpwmA_jE
14:07 <Nothing\> teacher gets in trouble for calling student nigger but he really meant nigga
14:17 <soulreap> how do i know if he is racist he says n word lots
14:18 <Nothing\> so he goes on about the difference while saying nigger over and over and over again lol
14:23 <soulreap> should i ask him
14:39 <Ampera> Here's how you know if someone is racist.
14:42 <Nothing\> yeah there's a difference between being racist and just using racist language because you're ignorant of what it symbolizes
14:59 <Ampera> Do they treat people of other races in a derogatory and deprecating manner?
15:20 <Nothing\> actually in canada here, we've been REALLY terrible toward native americans
15:21 <Ampera> if(true) racist = true if(false) racist = false
15:39 <soulreap> yes he treat them bad
16:05 <Nothing\> we even had this residential school system in place for them up until the 90's where the government would take their kids and put them into live-in schools where they'd be stripped of their cultural heritage and forced into christianity while being forcibly integrated into canadian society
16:24 <Nothing\> can you believe something like that existed in canada?
16:28 <Ampera> Yes.
16:31 <soulreap> i lived in grouphome ^^ but mine for disabilities
16:31 <Nothing\> and up until the 90's no less
16:58 <Nothing\> soulreap: yeah i wound up in a place like that for mental illness for half a year, it wasn't bad
17:02 <Nothing\> i learned to play guitar
17:27 <Nothing\> plus they let me go home on weekends
17:35 <soulreap> i lived for 3 and half years
17:37 <soulreap> in there
18:25 <Ampera> Man sometimes I wish I could be locked up and just not have to care about dealing with my own problems.
18:30 <Nothing\> i was supposed to be in for 6 months, but i feigned good behavior so they discharged me after 5, but just 2 weeks before my discharge i was caugh smuggling morphine in there and they had me arrested and realized i was bullshitting them, but the discharge papers were done so they still had to let me go
18:46 <Nothing\> Ampera: it's not as great as it sounds
18:57 <Ampera> Probably not
19:00 <Nothing\> you don't even have a say over whether you can take a damn aspirin
19:05 <Nothing\> or what time you go to bed
19:09 <soulreap> mine was autism place
19:10 <Nothing\> or really anything
19:11 <Ampera> but you could say the same thing about suicide
19:44 <Nothing\> soulreap: mine was just a place for mental health in general, we had kids with severe ADD, schizophrenia, drug addictions, social disorders etc
19:54 <Ampera> Idk I'm just so damn tired of having to worry about my mental issues, and I have nobody who can help me with them, so I just get like this where I'm restless and annoyed
19:56 <Nothing\> luckily i was in with some likeminded people so it wasn't bad
19:57 <Ampera> and then I take it out on others
20:01 <soulreap> ooh
20:14 <soulreap> i have autism & pdd and adhd :/
20:35 <Nothing\> Ampera: not trying to be preachy, but that was one nice thing about my conversion to christianity, is i don't feel quite so alone and hopeless re: mental illness or really any of my problems anymore
21:00 <Nothing\> but i also realize it took me years to get to this point, it's not like you can just over night start BELIEVING god is helping you, it's the sort of thing you have to experience for yourself
21:00 <soulreap> i have old bibles ^^
21:04 <Ampera> The thing is it wouldn't help anything.
21:11 <soulreap> real old ones
21:15 <Nothing\> nice soulreap
21:20 <soulreap> 1828 is oldest one
21:22 <Ampera> I know within myself I have no faith nor trust in the concept of religion.
21:22 <soulreap> i have
21:23 <Nothing\> i came across one old one, but it was all full of mold :/
21:36 <Ampera> There is no room nor time within my life, and I only know of how much suffering it has caused people, especially people like me.
21:37 <soulreap> i have big old one with clasps
21:46 <Nothing\> Ampera: now is that because of what the church stands for/does or is it genuinely because of issues you have with god himself?
22:00 <Ampera> I don't have issues with god, because I do not believe god exists.
22:04 <Nothing\> because for the longest time i thought the church's actions erpresented the wishes of god, so i held god accountable for things the church did
22:09 <Nothing\> Ampera: fair enough
22:27 <Nothing\> anyways i should get my ass into gear
22:34 <Nothing\> it's been nice talking, as always
22:41 <Nothing\> take care, guys
22:46 <Ampera> I view religion as a society of people who wish to understand life in their own perspective, but have a bad tendency to impose it upon others, and to treat differences of opinions within their ranks very very poorly.
22:53 <Ampera> Just like the transgender community.
23:09 <Ampera> ciao Nothing\
23:13 <Ampera> I might take a nap, even though I shouldn't
23:23 <soulreap> i want to chat
23:25 <soulreap> im bored
30:32 <soulreap> i am addicted to the amity affliction band
30:52 <Ampera> I'm addicted to ELO
31:05 <soulreap> what is elo
31:09 <soulreap> is that music too?
31:25 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FxNOBgsHgc
31:31 <Ampera> one of the songs of theirs I've been listening to
31:49 <soulreap> ooh cool
31:56 <soulreap> sort of liek queen?
32:19 <Ampera> no
32:25 <Ampera> sort of like if the Beatles didn't stop
32:35 <soulreap> ooh
32:44 <soulreap> my mum listens to david essex lol
32:56 <soulreap> rock on
33:06 <soulreap> she even has pictures of him :/
49:23 <DHess_US> Gah, it's only noon. Feels like 6PM because I have a bad code.
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36:22 <Nothing\> dang
36:55 <Nothing\> tried to make a transformer out of a nail, just cuz i can, and i forgot that .2mm wire won't much like having 16+vac put through it with no resistance
37:11 <Nothing\> at least i performed a magic trick by turning a transformer into a jumper
37:34 <Nothing\> that's the first time i've actually let magic smoke out of what i was working
38:14 <Nothing\> the only other time i was working on a 555 and smoke started coming up from my work area, so i figured something in the 555 circuit was being fried, but i couldn't figure out what it was
38:40 <Nothing\> turned out some pigtail connectors i had on a 9v had settled on my desk in a way that the wires were shorted and it was smoking
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58:41 <DHess_US> Need a lot more inductance than a bar of iron will provide.
38:02 <Nothing\> actually i was able to get a good bit of inductance out of one of these nails, i probably saturated it to hell but i got a good 50mH
38:14 <Nothing\> using at least 1000 turns, probably more
38:37 <Nothing\> of course it's really leaky with all of the pointy bits
39:31 <Nothing\> i realized i can use the sensor on my mom's phone to get an idea of what the magnetic field is like, it has sensors for X, Y and Z but only goes up to maybe 100 microtesla
40:11 <Nothing\> not too shabby considering other flux detectors start at a few hundred bucks
48:57 <Nothing\> mmm these shelled roasted chestnuts i got from the dollar store are amazing
49:15 <Nothing\> they're all covered in goo for some reason, though
49:28 <Nothing\> that's a fun word, goo
01:59 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
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39:34 <Halcyon> Morning all
52:22 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
52:23 <Ampera> how do?
52:43 <Halcyon> Not too bad, how are you?
53:01 <Ampera> Horrible, thanks for asking.
53:18 <Ampera> I'm having a nice relaxing time sitting in my proverbial recliner, in the actual fire that is my mental state and life.
55:58 <Ampera> you see this is why I don't have friends
56:38 <Halcyon> But you do
56:56 <Halcyon> Well, internet friends. But geographical constraints makes that hard
57:53 <Ampera> anyways did you get that thing to work?
58:01 <Halcyon> Nah I only just got up, having my morning coffee
58:10 <Ampera> my SSD comes tomorrow
58:12 <Halcyon> I'm going to have to pop into work first and get something more pressing done
58:13 <Halcyon> YAY!
58:35 <Ampera> speaking of which did you get anything back from the people you emailed?
59:06 <Halcyon> I have not, which is a bit disappointing. I did get a link to something, but it's at work so I'll grab it while I'm there today.
59:15 <Ampera> told you
59:32 <Ampera> I was more interested what you'd find than anything else, but police departments just don't do that stuff here
59:39 <Halcyon> He could be away on leave or something *shrug* so I won't judge just yet
00:17 <Halcyon> Well there are people there that handle this stuff. Whether they actively engage with the community is another story, sounds like they don't.
00:26 <Halcyon> It's the complete polar opposite to here
01:12 <steve30> hi Halcyon
01:13 <Ampera> Hand;e what stuff? LGBTQ issues?
01:26 <Ampera> The police are one of the most considerable enemies to the LGBTQ community here in the US.
01:36 <Halcyon> Yup and liaise with the community
01:39 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
01:56 <Halcyon> Yeh like I said, it's the complete opposite to the way we do things here.
02:09 <Halcyon> A lot of time and money is invested into LGBTIQ issues by Police
02:20 <Halcyon> Like *a lot*
02:26 <Ampera> To be honest I think that's stupid.
02:31 <Halcyon> I don't think so at all
02:44 <Ampera> I get where the police go with that, but so much of that is just how people are, and I don't think it should get that sort of attention.
02:51 <Ampera> Being gay isn't special, and it shouldn't be treated as such.
02:54 <Halcyon> You only have to think as far back as the first Mardi Gras in Sydney, where gay people were arrested and beaten. A lot of those people are still alive.
03:18 <Halcyon> No it's not special, but as you know yourself, they still require support when needed
03:24 <Ampera> and I trust the police to make sure that doesn't happen again, for people who intend on doing it, but I in general don't approve of pride parades or similar events.
03:39 <Halcyon> It was the Police doing the beating Ampera
03:57 <Ampera> As I said, I trust them to not do that.
04:06 <Ampera> When was that anyways?
04:23 <Halcyon> Since then, Police have spend decades rebuilding that trust to the point where you can walk into any Police station and say "I need to talk about bla" and sit down and have a coffee with any Police officer.
04:35 <Ampera> To me that's downright creepy.
04:43 <Halcyon> 1978 was the first
05:00 <Halcyon> Why? We are just people. But we're in a position where we can help.
05:19 <Ampera> Police will talk to people who are on the verge of suicide, that's probably as close as that gets here.
05:28 <Halcyon> Yeh I know, and it's sad
05:32 <Ampera> Which likely does happen, and they are likely trained to defuse the situation
05:54 <Ampera> however in my mind, homosexuality isn't something special, and I don't get why people would have to talk about it in particular.
06:16 <Halcyon> It's not about being special, it's about knowing where to go for help when you're vulnerable or don't know what else to do
06:33 <Halcyon> It's no different to being aboriginal, a domestic violence victim, etc....
06:37 <Ampera> We do actually have places for that, female shelters
06:52 <Ampera> while male versions exist, they are rare, but there are special organizations dedicated to helping abused women.
07:07 <Halcyon> Yes I know, if you want to talk about a "special" group, it's women.
07:17 <Halcyon> We're also trying to break down those stereotypes too, because it's bullshit
07:26 <Ampera> I think my critical concern with all of this is that homosexuality, if this progresses, will never reach normal.
07:30 <Halcyon> Quite a lot of domestic violence offenders or aggressors are women.
07:33 <Ampera> My hope is that one day nobody gives a shit.
07:53 <Ampera> Domestic abuse is another thing that police here do cover.
07:59 <Halcyon> Well that's basically where we are in Australia today. Honestly, no one gives a fuck to the point where it's a bit frustrating from my point of view
08:12 <Ampera> however I will definitely agree female -> male domestic abuse is definitely something not respected nor covered.
08:30 <Ampera> What I mean by nobody gives a fuck is nobody feels the need to be prideful about it.
08:49 <Ampera> To me being prideful about your sexuality is like throwing a parade because you bought a cool mug
09:10 <Halcyon> To be honest, Mardi Gras is less of a pride parade and an excuse for councils and vendors to make a buttload of money and for patrons to have a massive fucking party.
09:17 <Halcyon> It's a huge tourist event, massive.
09:26 <Ampera> Which is alright, and I know that's what mardi gras really is
09:32 <Halcyon> 1 day basically makes millions of dollars
09:48 <Ampera> but my annoyance is with waiting to people to slip into a true neutral with this, instead of it being heavily politicized and specialized.
10:06 <Halcyon> Well like I said, it's basically at that stage now here
10:08 <Ampera> Or for that attention to be turned to where it really matters, like islamic nations where homosexuals are stoned to death
10:54 <Ampera> What I also dislike is how homosexuality and transgenderism are for whatever reason linked, and while the question of what sort of person you're attracted to might be interesting on the line of transsexuals (a topic for another day), it's just something I don't like either
11:18 <Halcyon> Appearing "gay" or "questionable" is almost trendy for the straight guys. So many times I've wrongly guessed that someone was gay. It made picking up very difficult and confusing.
11:20 <Ampera> I always cringe whenever I heard the initialism LGBT (add whatever you want here)
12:02 <Ampera> My point is that you shouldn't try to guess, there's no such thing as being overtly gay, and I kinda find the concept also offensive.
12:12 <Halcyon> There absolutely is
12:24 <Halcyon> Have you never come across someone who is gay as glitter?
12:45 <Halcyon> Likewise, you get people who are overtly straight and will make sure everyone knows it
12:48 <Halcyon> It works both ways
12:50 <steve30> When we first did a gay pride event here in Rotherham, the council were very reluctant to let us use the park for it (though I think they had some obligation to let anyone use it if they wanted to). They changed their tune when they realised how many people it brought into the town centre.
13:12 <Ampera> Of course, and I describe that using the term "fruit" or "effeminate", but my point is that I've also met gay people who aren't like that
13:20 <Halcyon> Correx
13:23 <Halcyon> Correct
13:30 <Ampera> and it's the fact that there's a link to how gay people "act" that really damages the concept in my mind.
13:50 <Halcyon> Yeh maybe so, but the same mentality can be applied to just about any group of people
13:59 <Ampera> Same things happens with transgenderism, and it makes me feel bad that all of the help support and community revolves around fitting into that mold.
14:13 <steve30> I've come across plenty of gay guys who are very 'gay'. But I've also come across plenty who are more normal.
14:26 <Ampera> That's the thing though, steve30, you describe them as "normal"
15:04 <Ampera> I'm afraid it's going to make people (me included), start to get upset that they're not fruity enough, and that they aren't as showy as other gay people
15:15 <Ampera> who get all the attention, and also tend to speak for the "community" in general.
16:02 <Ampera> so we get shoved into an uncomfortable position where the entire thing gets labeled as an automatically joined community (who would be against the LGBT community and be gay, amir?) but it has so much baggage it ostracizes people who don't want to conform to that
16:14 <Halcyon> Ampera, I've never heard anyone say to someone who is gay "you're not gay enough".
16:19 <Halcyon> Like, literally never
16:21 <Halcyon> It's not a thing
16:30 <Ampera> I don't think this is /that/ much of an issue with homosexuality, since there will always be exhibitionists, but this is a BIG problem with transgenderism.
16:37 <Ampera> I've been literally told that I wasn't trans enough.
16:45 <Ampera> by another trans person
17:11 <Halcyon> Maybe that person was just a fuckwit?
17:14 <Ampera> and it was a really horrific situation where I was kinda mocked and harassed for not wanting to fit into the same bed she was in.
17:25 <Halcyon> Just because they are trans, doesn't mean they aren't pricks
17:35 <Ampera> The issue is that everyone I've seen is like that to some degree.
17:47 <Ampera> The doctors, the therapists, all of them. They try to push people into that sort of religion.
18:07 <Halcyon> I just had a thought Ampera... you could be the next Fran Blanche
18:14 <Halcyon> Except with your Linuxy stuff
18:17 <steve30> I can certainly see Ampera's point
18:19 <Ampera> I've heard of her, but I'm not all that into EE.
18:30 <Halcyon> Oh I totally see his point too
18:32 <Ampera> I should really be, but I'm also lazy.
19:01 <Ampera> Since you are both gay, you probably don't really get the brunt of it, because if you're gay, it's easy enough to just not give a shit about the buzz, and live you life
19:06 <Halcyon> Anyway I need to go do my hair and pop up to the Police station, I have to quickly smash out a statement for court. They are having a big sook about it.
19:26 <Ampera> but since I am in need of professional help, it starts to be a huge problem for me.
19:50 <Halcyon> Ill try jump on IRC there through the web chat, but it might be blocked. Will find out in about 20 minutes...
20:00 <steve30> Is it common for gays to have to do their hair before they go to the police station? :p
20:15 <Ampera> My definition of do my hair is to tie it up, as it's rather long
20:17 <Halcyon> My hair goes fluffy after a shower, I don't leave the house without product in it
20:18 <Ampera> which takes 5 seconds
20:32 <Ampera> I'm too lazy to even wash my hair, which isn't great
20:39 <Halcyon> Mine's short, probably equivalent to a #3 clipper
20:53 <Ampera> I don't want to cry depression, but I do genuinely find it hard to get myself to take care of myself.
21:08 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
21:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
21:17 <Ampera> ciao m9
21:40 <Halcyon> I'm sorry I have to run off, like I said, I'll jump on when I get there if I can to continue the conversation. I'm going to start getting phone calls soon asking where this statement is.
22:26 <Ampera> Nah we can continue when I wake up or whatever
22:32 <Halcyon> You're going to bed?
22:33 <Ampera> or fuck I'll stay up all night, not like I give a shit anymore
22:38 <Ampera> It's 21:29 here
22:43 <Halcyon> Still early
22:51 <Halcyon> Talk soon matey
22:53 <Ampera> yeah I kinda want to keep it that way
22:54 <Ampera> ciao
22:56 * Halcyon fondles Steve on the way out of the room
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00:41 <Halcyon-Work> Meow
01:05 * Halcyon-Work prods steve30 and Ampera with a sticky stick
01:16 * Ampera prods Halcyon-Work with a pointy dick
02:52 <Halcyon-Work> :)
03:44 <Ampera> I'm experimenting with Debian and offspring
08:30 <Halcyon-Work> What's offspring?
08:35 <Ampera> Ubuntu
09:06 <Ampera> Just keeping an eye on other distro options out there
16:43 * steve30 prods Halcyon-Work 
17:00 <Ampera> Well that was a waste of time
18:58 <Halcyon-Work> No good?
19:23 <Ampera> Nah I could figure it out if i wanted to, but I had a very helpful reminder of why I shouldn't
25:59 <Halcyon-Work> What should I make for dinner tonight? I was thinking about going out but it's a bit cold and miserable today.
26:04 <Halcyon-Work> 11 degrees outside.
26:10 <Ampera> we had turkey burgers tonight
26:13 <Ampera> do not make turkey burgers
26:14 <Halcyon-Work> I probably shouldn't be wearing shorts and a t-shirt, but meh
26:19 <steve30> i wanted to go out this morning, but i don't want to go out in the cold.
26:30 <steve30> Having said that, i still have to go out later for some shopping
26:32 <Halcyon-Work> I don't think I've ever had a turkey burger
26:35 <Ampera> I never wear shorts, but 11C is definitely tshirt weather
26:44 <Ampera> Halcyon-Work, have you ever eaten cardboard?
27:52 <Halcyon-Work> I can't say I have
28:10 <Halcyon-Work> I've had turkey though, as in like meat off the carcass. It's been quite juicy and tasty
28:20 <Halcyon-Work> (I'm guessing a lot of flavour was from the stuffing though)
28:36 <Ampera> Well as an American, I have quite a lot of experience with turkey.
28:46 <Ampera> it's kinda like dry chicken, but it can be done very very well
29:02 <Ampera> It's probably one of the easiest holiday meals to cook, but one of the hardest ones to get right.
29:04 <Halcyon-Work> I guess with all meats, it can be overcooked and become dry
29:18 <Ampera> The issue is that turkeys are big, and they need to be cooked a lot.
29:21 <Ampera> I did smoke a turkey before.
29:44 <Halcyon-Work> I'm guessing low and slow would be the key
30:13 <Ampera> Isn't gonna help you here.
30:50 <Ampera> One thing I want to try in my life is deep fried turkey.
32:16 <Halcyon-Work> Kind of like KFC chicken but with turkey?
32:25 <Ampera> No.
32:45 <Ampera> Basically if you do it right, you get heaven (as I'm told), and if you do it wrong, you get a house fire
32:51 <Ampera> and a potentially high hospital bill
33:04 <Ampera> because the idea is you stick the entire turkey into a vat of boiling oil (preferably outside).
33:24 <Ampera> I'm not sure how you're supposed to do it, but you can cause it to go supernova if you don't know what you're doing
34:46 <Halcyon-Work> Oh shit
34:55 <Halcyon-Work> Yeh I could see how that would be dangerous
35:06 <Halcyon-Work> Definitely an outside job
50:26 * steve30 pets Halcyon-Work 
57:14 <Halcyon-Work> :)
59:03 <DogWomble> Halcyon-Work, if you're looking for an idea of what to eat for dinner, 'Food' would be a good start
59:38 <steve30> i might go out for a walk shortly
01:45 <Halcyon-Work> Yeh thanks DogWomble, I get the same answer from my other half
01:51 <Halcyon-Work> Followed by "edible"
02:40 <Ampera> Halcyon-Work, pancakes
02:45 <Ampera> corned beef hash and eggs
02:46 <DogWomble> so i must be backing a winner then :)
02:56 <DogWomble> i lvoe pancakes :)
03:16 <Ampera> Tacos, enchiladas, pizza, throw some pasta sauce and meat in a pot and go
03:55 <DogWomble> you could eat two minute noodles
04:05 <DogWomble> which have all the nutritional value of sand
05:33 <steve30> I don't know what I'm going to have for tea either
05:41 <steve30> I might buy something from the butchers later
07:24 <DHess_US> RIP Nyquil
13:24 <Ampera> DHess_US, what happened to nyquil
14:40 <DHess_US> I finished the last of my stock of the meth Nyquil.
32:14 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @TubeTimeUS: the aesthetic on this 8080/8085 emulator! 😍 https://t.co/DPZ5FmIKUc
37:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I've never understood how @Uber can *lose* $3B a year?
38:08 <Halcyon-Work> Mmm tacos
38:12 <Halcyon-Work> Not a bad idea
01:10 <Halcyon-Work> YAY, all done. Home time
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02:36 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So @AskPayPal are very quick to tweet publicly that you should send them a PM so they can help solve your concern, but then they ignore you privately. Cheap public PR, well played.
52:35 <Halcyon> Home :D
04:17 <steve30> wb
04:19 <DogWomble> there's no place like /home/halcyon
04:28 <Halcyon> Indeed
04:36 * Halcyon cuddles Steve and doesn't let go
04:59 <steve30> mmm
13:09 <Halcyon> Great, Windows 10 broke Splunk between reboots
13:15 <Halcyon> Fucking piece of shit
25:51 <steve30> what does splunk do?
31:38 <Halcyon> It's a security information and event management (SIEM) tool
32:00 <Halcyon> Basically takes events from sensors on a network or from log files and allows you to analyse and visualise data
33:52 <Halcyon> I have go sift through 100 MBs worth of log and JSON files for a uni assignmen
33:52 <Halcyon> t
33:55 <Halcyon> and it's being a prick
45:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: W00T 501 subs on @bitchute https://t.co/0Pp4aVTaZG Views and engagements are continuing to grow. https://t.co/WZtcAgKkEp
22:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So there you have it, the @AskPayPal humanbot is run by social media management firm @LithiumTech https://t.co/GLxklzXowX https://t.co/bWJCVVeVEa
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04:27 <steve30> I think I'll have a coffee before I go out
31:12 <DogWomble> coffee is good :)
31:33 <DogWomble> some people would say you can never have enough coffee
58:43 <Halcyon> Oh brilliant. I walk away from Windows 10 for 30 minutes and everything I was working on just closed. No worries, didn't need any of that.
58:53 <Halcyon> Thank fuck I use Linux on my desktop
13:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Oh wow, @MicrosoftFlow appears to be just like @IFTTT for Youtube and other automation stuff. Nice. https://t.co/oTEEMqs1mS
34:29 <DHess_US> Yep, has happened to me many times.
34:54 <DHess_US> Get up in the morning, check computer, nothing I left running finished.
40:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1205 – RC2014 Z80 Computer Kit Build https://t.co/pjfQJnFPL3
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15:44 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera...
22:25 <Halcyon> T3sl4, you any good with Perl or programming in general?
22:36 Quit: Bluenote ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
22:39 <T3sl4> no, yes
23:02 <Halcyon> Would you be able to look at a short script and tell me what it's supposed to do?
23:20 <Halcyon> It's supposed to be an IRC Bot used in malware, but I don't see how it operates?
23:36 <T3sl4> no idea
23:55 <Halcyon> http://203.146.208.208/drago/images/.ssh/y.txt
24:02 <Halcyon> You haven't seen it yet :P
25:22 <Halcyon> Although some of it doesn't look English so NFI if it would even work
26:12 <Halcyon> Perhaps an IRC to SSH/Telnet relay?
29:49 <T3sl4> i see a shell thing, which might be dangerous to expose?
30:16 <Halcyon> So basically if someone downloaded that script to a server and ran it, it would expose the shell to IRC?
30:34 <T3sl4> the ddosit command seems malicious
31:04 <Halcyon> So perhaps part of a command and control system
32:20 <T3sl4> seems like a thing that does basic bot commands, but those stand out as interesting additions
38:57 <K> hello
38:57 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
39:02 <K> yay, i win
39:22 <Halcyon> I might post it in the forum
39:24 * T3sl4 champagnes K
14:13 <steve30> The chemist reckons the price of my tablets is going up
15:21 <K> tablets?
17:41 <steve30> prescription medication
19:32 <K> ah.
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28:11 <K> that didn't take long
44:53 <K> "MOLEX.COM IS TEMPORARILY DOWN. PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER.
44:59 <K> *yells in connector*
51:21 <T3sl4> *konnector?
51:34 <K> yes.
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33:55 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
39:13 <Ampera> The bot looks rather simplistic, and seems to be for covert purposes just from a cursory view. It's too simple to do anything properly bad as far as I can tell, but it's likely this is a companion for something more considerable.
40:44 <K> >> shell("$onde", "$arg");
41:09 <K> and pop goes the weasel
43:20 <Stiff> https://www.news.com.au/technology/home-entertainment/these-apps-and-devices-could-be-listening-to-your-private-chats/news-story/7258fedcbe6103ca41aaf66bb4b28239
43:24 <Stiff> im shocked...
46:59 <Ampera> my audio subsystem is too complicated for anybody to give a shit listening in
47:08 <Ampera> and my only attached microphone mutes when not in use
51:33 <Stiff> are you SURE Ampera
51:44 <Ampera> yes.
51:50 <Stiff> ok
57:14 <Ampera> good
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