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00:19:24 <DHess_US> Firefox still broken. So much for their patch.
00:23:58 <T3sl4> i'm not showing any updates here :|
00:24:26 <DHess_US> Exactly
00:24:41 <DHess_US> My ancient Firefox on Widnows XP works fine though so suck it haters.
00:24:52 <T3sl4> hah
00:25:15 <DHess_US> It's ESR so I just had to flip one toggle and the problem was solved.
00:25:47 <DHess_US> extended service release or obsolete
00:27:16 <DHess_US> Managed to update Windows 10 yesterday which took all day and it broke Handbreak.
00:27:53 <steve30> I don't usually update any software unless I'm certain the newer versions are not broken.
00:28:31 <T3sl4> as ironic as that sounds
00:29:45 <DHess_US> Unfortunately, that wouldn't save you from this because it was the certificate used to authenticate plug-ins which expired.
00:30:19 <DHess_US> So now an update is required which they say is relased but doesn't actually exist.
00:31:11 <steve30> I use Vivaldi these days
00:32:34 <DHess_US> I was hoping it would be fixed by today but nope.
00:32:48 <DHess_US> I'm not sure they *can* fix it.
00:32:58 <T3sl4> i wonder what chrome adoption rates are looking like this week
00:34:03 <DHess_US> I'm not even considering Chrome. The main reason I use Firefox is to block malware.
00:42:45 * steve30 plays with current transformers
00:42:51 <T3sl4> :)
00:52:33 * steve30 gets the oscilloscope out
00:55:41 <steve30> hmm, this switch mode PSU has a weird current waveform. Maybe I should use a resistive load.
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01:01:43 <steve30> hmm, i have a shortage of 12V bulbs
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03:02:16 <steve30> I think I'm kinda getting the hang of this current transformer now
03:11:03 <Ampera> DHess_US, I don't recall Windows updates breaking programs.
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03:40:03 <DHess_US> Yea? Well, it just broke Handbreak. HOw is that even possible?
03:40:09 <DHess_US> Handbrake
03:40:31 <DHess_US> And what moron sets up RDP such that the service which must be started before RDP to work is started after RDP?
03:41:13 <DHess_US> I just spent a day figuring out that Handbrake on my updated Windows 10 system is truely broken. It works on my XP machine just fine.
03:41:48 <DHess_US> Just uninstalled it. Going to reinstall from scratch.
03:44:48 <DHess_US> I especially like how the Windows update process never report failure. It just silently does nothing.
03:45:56 <DHess_US> So several hours and many reboots later, you are silently back where you started from receiving messages about needing to update.
03:47:36 <DHess_US> So why does the OPA627 cost so much?
03:48:23 <DHess_US> You know things are bad when the prices for your parts make Analog Devices and Linear Technology loo cheap.
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04:05:39 * steve30 suggests replacing the Windows 10 with XP
04:06:42 <DHess_US> I wish.
04:13:44 <Halcyon> Morning all, I can't sleep :(
04:14:19 * steve30 gives Halcyon a relaxing purr
04:14:26 <Halcyon> Thanks :)
04:14:44 <Halcyon> There is no point in trying to sleep, I have to be up in 40 minutes anyway so may as well get up
04:16:25 <steve30> I think I'll make a coffee
04:16:43 <Halcyon> I just made one
04:18:21 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
04:18:44 <Ampera> DHess_US, well to be fair, Handbreak is already a broken load of shit
04:19:15 <Ampera> The one reason you'd want a graphical tool is to do large single function batch jobs for transcoding, and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get it to do that
04:19:20 <DHess_US> I woke up this morning at 3AM feeling sick. I know I was sick because I felt like walking for exersize.
04:19:31 <Ampera> DHess_US, oh dear
04:19:38 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
04:19:40 <DHess_US> I've never had a problem with Handbrake before.
04:20:04 <Ampera> I've never gotten it to work the way I wanted to once in the entire time I've used it.
04:20:16 <Ampera> It seems to have been designed as hostile as possible for converting loads of footage en masse
04:20:48 <DHess_US> If I had an easy way to extract the data from the source to compute the bitrate, then I would write a script.
04:21:07 <Ampera> DHess_US, you just want the bitrate of footage?
04:21:10 <Ampera> Why don't you just use mediainfo?
04:21:27 <DHess_US> No, I don't want the bitrate. I want the frame rate and resolution.
04:21:33 <Ampera> It will give you those too.
04:21:41 <DHess_US> Not in a usable form.
04:22:00 <Ampera> It's a command line or graphical tool that can output data in loads of different formats
04:22:19 <DHess_US> I know what it is. I use it for something else.
04:22:22 <Ampera> plaintext, html, xml, json
04:48:34 <Halcyon> I probably should put the bins out
04:48:36 <Halcyon> Forgot to last night
06:26:15 <Halcyon> I'm not going into work today, I'm not well :(
06:29:30 <DHess_US> When I had to go to work sick because we got no sick days, I did and made sure to infect as many people as possible.
06:29:52 <Halcyon> Why don't you get sick days?
06:30:16 <DHess_US> In the US it just depends on the employer. There is no requirement for sick or vacation days.
06:30:24 <Halcyon> That's a bit shit
06:30:30 <DHess_US> It is what it is.
06:30:57 <Halcyon> I've got over 1000 hours of sick leave (because I just don't use it much) and get 6 weeks annual leave per year
06:31:05 <Halcyon> Plus long service leave also accrues
06:31:29 <Halcyon> Most employers only give you 4 weeks annual leave
06:31:40 <steve30> From my experiments today I figured that this 100A current transformer isn't very good for measuring <1A
06:31:41 <DHess_US> 1 or 2 weeks is common
06:31:52 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
06:32:09 <DHess_US> steve30, it should not matter if you change the shunt.
06:32:40 * Halcyon shunts Steve
06:32:50 <DHess_US> If you run the current transformer at 1/100th of its rating, then you can increase its shunt by 100 times for 100 times greater sensitivity.
06:33:23 <steve30> Seems to not work well with higher shunt values
06:34:40 <steve30> At the end of the day though I don't really need it to measure much less than 1A
06:34:41 <DHess_US> It is not normally specified but current transformers are rated by volt-second product.
06:34:59 <DHess_US> It should work fine. Shrug.
06:38:15 <DHess_US> Since the 100 amp current transformer is intended for 100 amps, it is just larger than neccessary.
06:39:06 <DHess_US> But nothing prevents using a larger current transform at lower currents with a higher resistance shunt for better sensitiivty.
06:39:38 <steve30> I think I was getting into the realms of the open circuit voltage being not high enough, so a high value shunt didn't make much difference.
06:39:52 * Ampera pets Halcyon
06:40:10 <DHess_US> What? You can't run a current transformer into an open circuit.
06:40:12 <Halcyon> That feels nice
06:40:39 <Ampera> DHess_US, they also said you couldn't break the sound barrier or build an atom bomb. Now look who's the silly one.
06:40:43 <DHess_US> The voltage across the secondary of the current transformer must be below a specified volt-second product to prevent saturation.
06:40:46 <Halcyon> I wish I could go back to sleep, but I can't :(
06:41:11 <steve30> Having said that, I think it has a diode in it
06:41:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, why not
06:41:32 <Halcyon> It's almost 0700 and it's daylight, I can't sleep properly during the day
06:41:37 <DHess_US> Which is why if you run a current transformer into a transimpedancea amplifier, which has zero input resistance, the low frequency response of the transformer is extended by a lot.
06:41:49 <Ampera> Halcyon, didn't you spend a stupid amount of money on curtains?
06:41:57 <Halcyon> I've been tossing and turning since about 0200
06:42:08 * steve30 wraps Halcyon up in a cosy duvet
06:42:12 <Halcyon> Yeh I did, but a little light seeps through the edges
06:42:17 <Halcyon> I need absolute darkness
06:42:20 <DHess_US> You can also run a current transformer into an amplifier with a negative input resistance to extend its low frequency response to DC.
06:42:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xURnnu8nY
06:43:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, maybe you should have put that money into shades instead...
06:43:18 <Halcyon> Meh
06:43:25 <Halcyon> I'll just get an early night tonight
06:43:37 * steve30 <3 snuggling up in bed
06:43:41 <Ampera> Well it's currently 16:50 and I wish it was 4 hours from now
06:43:47 <Halcyon> I'll take Promethazine, it'll knock me out for 12 hours
06:44:05 * Halcyon cuddles up to Steve as the big spoon
06:44:19 <steve30> *purr*
06:44:25 <Ampera> because my circadian rhythm has been abused harder than I'd like to be, so I'm dead tired during the day while it resets itself
06:44:31 <Ampera> which afaik takes like 21 days or something
06:45:05 * Halcyon abuses Steve30 harder than he'd like
06:45:06 <Halcyon> :P
06:45:16 <steve30> 0.o
06:45:24 <Ampera> that's kinda gay
06:45:30 <Halcyon> Derrr
06:46:10 <Halcyon> Better than being straight. Fuck dealing with females and their issues
06:46:13 <Ampera> I wish I had a much nicer DAC/ADC than what I had in my computer.
06:46:19 <Ampera> Halcyon, that's fucking racist
06:46:25 <Halcyon> I don't care?
06:46:28 <Ampera> I can't believe you'd discriminate people for their religion
06:46:35 <Ampera> it's like telling a blind man he can't see
06:46:38 <Ampera> it's just wrong
06:46:45 <Halcyon> Well the straights can just choose to be gay
06:46:45 <Halcyon> Simples
06:46:54 <Ampera> fuck why didn't I think about that
06:47:01 <Ampera> but why don't you choose to be straight?
06:47:02 <Halcyon> It's only a lifestyle choice
06:47:05 <Ampera> because straight is better than gay
06:47:09 <Halcyon> Because as discussed, straight is shit
06:47:12 <Ampera> oh yeah it's the gay versus straight mindset
06:47:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, both homosexuality and heterosexuality are fucking trash, bisexualism is where it's at
06:47:34 <Ampera> bi, as in THE two genders.
06:47:44 <steve30> boys ftw :)
06:47:48 <Halcyon> Well aren't you just mr(s) special
06:48:00 <Halcyon> I agree Steve
06:48:03 <Ampera> steve30, that's kinda paedophillic
06:48:07 <Halcyon> Especially bottoms :P
06:48:16 <Ampera> why would you want to touch boys, that's horrific
06:48:17 <Halcyon> Oh gawd Ampera, you had to take it there didn't you?
06:48:25 <Ampera> one day they say they just wanna be gay
06:48:30 <Ampera> next they're fucking our little children
06:48:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, just practicing mental gymnastics
06:49:09 <Halcyon> Calm down, he meant boys as in males, not like how a Priest likes boys.
06:49:45 <Ampera> men are icky, they smell greasy and want to rape people
06:49:54 <Ampera> we should just kill them all
06:50:38 <Halcyon> I don't know what guys you hang around, but I smell pretty
06:50:45 <Halcyon> Like Issey Miyake actually
06:51:00 <Ampera> You didn't say anything about rape, so that proves my point.
06:51:04 <Ampera> Men and you are rapists.
06:51:08 <steve30> you mean we should kill Halcyon :o
06:51:09 <steve30> ?
06:51:11 <Ampera> Please, vindicate yourself by identifying as something else.
06:51:15 <Ampera> steve30, fuck why didn't I think of that
06:51:16 <Halcyon> Only because Steve likes to be raped
06:51:22 <Ampera> steve30, you too steve?
06:51:23 <Halcyon> When he says no, he says it with a smirk
06:51:52 <Ampera> Rape is fun, it's like sex, but with more screaming.
06:52:03 <Halcyon> So kind of like anal?
06:52:04 <Halcyon> :P
06:52:20 <Ampera> Halcyon, the anus is the penis's gateway to sin and torment.
06:52:23 <Ampera> so yes
06:52:27 <Halcyon> \o/
06:52:38 <Ampera> I think it's probably best that Dave isn't in this channel
06:52:45 <Ampera> he's take one look and then wonder what the actual fuck
06:52:46 <Halcyon> Hahaha
06:52:49 <Halcyon> Yup
06:52:58 <Ampera> Heck, I'm as fucked in the head as the rest of you, if not more, and I'm wondering that.
06:53:08 <Halcyon> Also, fun fact, David (#2) is straight :( I was hoping he wasn't.
06:53:19 <steve30> aww :(
06:53:29 <Ampera> why do you hope people are one orientation or another, that, and I'm being serious now, seems kinda horrible.
06:53:56 <Ampera> people are fine whatever orientation they are, and getting upset someone's not gay is just the obverse of getting upset someone's not straight.
06:54:01 <Halcyon> Well... when you meet a person and they suit your personality type and you're attracted to them... I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a chance with them
06:54:10 <steve30> Well, if you think someone is cute, and you find out they are the correct orientation for you, you'd have more chance with them :)
06:54:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, don't you already have someone?
06:54:24 <Halcyon> Yes
06:54:27 <Halcyon> But I can still look
06:54:37 <Ampera> I mean
06:54:49 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
06:55:29 <Halcyon> I reckon Steve would be my type
06:55:35 <Halcyon> Minus all the vinyl
06:55:57 <steve30> I have CDs and tapes too
06:56:04 <Ampera> I thought the same thing
06:56:04 <Halcyon> Heh
06:56:10 <Halcyon> You dag
06:56:18 <Ampera> I was and still am seriously considering buying some ELO 8 track tapes
06:56:25 <Ampera> even though I don't have a player
06:56:36 <Ampera> but just to look at them and have an interesting piece of tech
06:56:36 <Halcyon> I was actually thinking last night as I tossed and turned Steve, how do you wash those outfits of yours? I suspect they can't just go in the washing machine?
06:56:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, what do you mean wash?
06:57:06 <Halcyon> Well, jizz and lube should generally be cleaned up
06:57:15 <steve30> Halcyon, just some warm water and soap
06:57:16 <DHess_US> 8 track nostalgia should remain that, nostalgia.
06:57:27 <Ampera> DHess_US, I like the good bass response/deep sound
06:57:29 <Halcyon> Seems fiddly Steve
06:57:36 <Ampera> not that I've ever heard anything besides a digitized recording
06:57:38 <steve30> I don't think I've ever seen an 8-track in person. I wonder if they weren't very popular here.
06:57:40 <DHess_US> Then get a graphic equalizer.
06:57:50 <Halcyon> I haven't either
06:57:59 <Ampera> DHess_US, but then you don't have a neat piece of history and hardware to play around with and enjoy.
06:58:05 <Halcyon> Although we have an 8" Floppy drive along with a box of disks at work in a cabinet
06:58:07 <Halcyon> I want to take them home
06:58:28 <DHess_US> Meet three old friends; flutter, noise, and distortion.
06:58:34 <Halcyon> I think there is also a slot loading 5.25" CD drive
06:58:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, just in case the location of a buried body from 1977 was recorded with someone who owned an Altair 8800 and was also rich enough to own a diskette drive?
06:58:46 <DHess_US> And wow. Four, four old friends.
06:58:59 <Ampera> DHess_US, yes yes I know all about those, I know how tape works.
06:59:09 <DHess_US> I have a 4 disk slot loading CD drive.
06:59:13 <Ampera> That's not the point, and sometimes it's nice to listen to music on different formats.
06:59:20 <Ampera> I have a bass guitar
06:59:32 <Halcyon> Yeh I remember those DHess_US
06:59:45 <Ampera> I have a slot loading iMac G3, which has a slot loading DVD drive
06:59:52 <Halcyon> Didn't LGR or someone do a video on one of those drives?
06:59:54 <Ampera> which can't read DVD+RW's >:(
07:00:09 <steve30> Halcyon, I got a broken 5.25" floppy drive the other week on ebay for 99p
07:00:09 <DHess_US> I have one of these in storage. I was debating whether to install it just for fun. http://www.saitechincorporated.com/nakamichi-cd-changer/
07:00:16 <Halcyon> YAY!
07:00:18 <Ampera> DHess_US, you seem like the sort of person who would really hate and get annoyed by Techmoan, who has a similar mindset to me of just having old hi-fi gear and enjoying it.
07:00:24 <DHess_US> But it is CD only so I don't know why I would bother.
07:00:25 <Halcyon> Do you know what's wrong with it?
07:00:53 <Ampera> oh no
07:00:54 <Ampera> oh no
07:00:55 <Ampera> oh no
07:00:56 <Halcyon> Love it DHess_US
07:00:57 <DHess_US> Oh, I like old Hi_Fi gear just fine. I have a Yamaha 3 head cassette deck which is fabulous.
07:01:00 <steve30> Part of the edge connector is broken off. Don't know if anything else is wrong yet as I've not tried to wire it up yet.
07:01:13 <DHess_US> And I have a Dynaco power amp that I have rebuilt twice now.
07:01:14 <Ampera> ELO 8 tracks are cheap >.<
07:01:16 <Halcyon> Should be an easy fix then
07:01:45 <Halcyon> Didn't 8 tracks have a tendency to gum up?
07:01:57 <Halcyon> Maybe the rollers deteriorating
07:02:02 <Ampera> Halcyon, probably, they're wide open and old
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07:02:23 <Ampera> I need to resist the urge to spend money on this
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07:03:04 <Ampera> Eldorado, Out of the blue, and Discovery, three of their great albums
07:03:29 <DHess_US> At some point I'm just going to jack the chassis and transformer up and replace the guts with my own design, https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/dynaco/stereo-120.shtml
07:03:52 <Ampera> apparently Time is also available
07:04:37 <DHess_US> It is too bad that its transformer secondary lacks a center tap.
07:04:49 <DHess_US> If it had a center tap, then I could remove the output capacitors.
07:05:00 <Ampera> oh no, the players and player-recorders are cheap too
07:05:15 <Ampera> why did I have to look on ebay
07:05:16 <Ampera> why
07:05:31 <steve30> Buy something... you know you want to
07:09:40 <Halcyon> I'm looking at the vintage computer category on ebay
07:23:48 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Twentieth-20th-Anniversary-Macintosh-TAM-Computer-MINT/192766438609?hash=item2ce1c66cd1:g:RngAAOSwrY9a59tX
07:23:51 <Halcyon> But not at that price
07:25:40 <steve30> the TAM never really appealed to me
07:30:09 <DHess_US> https://gunfreezone.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/flame-horn.jpg
07:36:09 <Ampera> Alright, to prevent myself from wasting my money on 8 tracks I might buy myself an SSD instead
07:36:26 <Ampera> The question is, 1 or 2 TB
07:36:50 <Ampera> 100 or 200 bucks :/
07:39:53 <Halcyon> What make/model ?
07:40:32 <Ampera> 660p
07:40:49 <Halcyon> Ahh nice
07:40:57 <Halcyon> *shrug* I dunno,
07:41:59 <Halcyon> I might go lay down, see if I can have a bit of a nap
07:42:26 <Ampera> I'll do 1TB
09:35:43 <steve30> when i bought my SSD I opted for 500GB
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10:32:32 <Halcyon> I'm waiting for the day when I can replace all my NAS disks with SSD
10:59:17 <steve30> I'll probably replace my HDD with an SSD eventually, but I've still got a lot of space to fill up yet
11:00:43 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Case-Computer-with-new-LG-DVD-Player-and-4-port-USB/153377502925?hash=item23b602f6cd:g:dYkAAOSwfHBcZMky
11:00:55 <Halcyon> That has got to be one of the ugliest cases I've ever seen
11:06:14 <steve30> yeah, that's a bit odd
11:09:56 <Halcyon> When's your nude calendar coming out Steve ? ;-)
11:11:18 <steve30> Depends whether you can supply 12 cute nude guys to photograph
11:11:38 <Halcyon> Hahaha, you're cute, just do each month in a different pose/outfit
12:00:53 <damian> yo
12:04:47 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
12:10:01 <steve30> I think its time for me to go to bed
12:44:38 <Halcyon> Sweet dreams Steve
12:44:40 <Halcyon> Hey damian
12:45:12 <Halcyon> I think I ate too much Kangaroo jerky
12:45:21 <Halcyon> I'm... how shall I put it... "digestively heavy"
13:23:06 <DHess_US> Never eat more than you can lift.
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13:49:08 <T3sl4> sweet dreams are made of steve, who am i to disagree o/'
14:03:34 <damian> so that was steve in my dreams last night was it
14:22:07 <T3sl4> mr steveman, bring me a drink o/'
14:22:18 <Halcyon> I can offer you sparking wine?
14:22:45 <T3sl4> ew, boxwine
14:22:53 <T3sl4> wait, sparkling? that's different from your usual
14:25:14 <Halcyon> Box wine?
14:25:20 <Halcyon> Yeh felt like something different
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21:48:02 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/1124822241516982273
21:48:43 <Ampera> You and the rest of Australia can have this big fat L
22:03:18 <Stiff> vote scomo
22:07:36 <Ampera> Stiff, Make Australia Great Again?
22:07:54 <Stiff> copy trumpy
22:07:57 <Stiff> see how we go
22:08:59 <Stiff> honestly Ampera they are both cockheads
22:09:07 <Stiff> one is slightly better
22:09:19 <Ampera> Based off what I've seen I'd rather have Trump.
22:09:55 <Ampera> The comparison here is recently he's talked about how a load of conservative voices have been banned off Facebook, and how rules on social media are applied unfairly and politically to users.
22:10:46 <Ampera> and your PM is talking about imprisoning people for 5 years for saying something mean on the Internet.
22:11:01 * Ampera hands Stiff a plain white book and invisible ink pen
22:11:05 <Ampera> you'll need these.
22:11:39 <Stiff> yeah, no such thing as free speech
22:11:46 <Stiff> nanny states everywhere
22:11:51 <Stiff> snowflakes = aus
22:12:19 <Ampera> come to the US, we might not be perfect, but as least you can call someone a faggot without going to prison for 5 years.
22:12:41 <Stiff> would love to visit the almighty us of a
22:12:42 <Ampera> just don't do it in portland, the police will let an angry communist pepper spray you and lead pipe your kneecaps in.
22:30:31 <DHess_US> Berkley also
22:30:45 <DHess_US> And Charlottesville.
22:35:07 <Ampera> Basically the entire state of California.
22:35:11 <Ampera> Heck the entire west coast.
22:36:28 <DHess_US> No, it's not that bad.
22:36:49 <DHess_US> In Oakland the cops will shoot you for nothing.
22:36:58 <DHess_US> And get away with it.
22:37:11 <Ampera> There are some places that I will never go, or only go with significant motivation. California is one of those places.
22:37:17 <Ampera> Along with China, North Korea, the UK
22:37:40 <Ampera> Australia is close to that list, but I'd still go there, I guess.
22:40:55 <DHess_US> Also here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j693_xvdGTI
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