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19:45 <Avatar> use commonsense
20:07 <Mekkis> why? It's stopped applying in many other aspects of PFS
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25:04 <Avatar> then do it because it's stopped applying in many other aspects
26:19 <Mekkis> I agree that it's probably poor form to replace your d20s with d2+18s
26:42 <Avatar> what kind of fudging are you talking about
27:14 <Mekkis> it's just a curiosity standpoint: I'm not planning on fudging dice rolls
27:58 <Avatar> I don't understand the question though
28:09 <Avatar> it's case by case
29:05 <Avatar> I think fudge to make it easier is a lot more acceptable than fudge to make things harder, since the latter can accidentally turn into character death
29:07 <Mekkis> given all the other restrictions on GMs in PFS, I was wondering if they'd made a statement limiting or preventing it
29:33 <Avatar> I think it's just concensus saying use commomsense
29:37 <Avatar> nothing from mike
29:49 <Mekkis> that's good
33:10 <Steven> think im going to have breakfast for dinner.
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37:08 <Steven> brb gonna gio make dinner
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47:21 <s_gmusic> scrolling through all those spells and things mekkis looked up, and I have a question...
47:40 <s_gmusic> if you cause it to happen, how can something be "spontaneous" ?
47:42 <s_gmusic> >.>
53:26 <Avatar> it means it appears out of nothing
53:55 <Avatar> it does seem like it could just be called immolatio
53:55 <Avatar> n
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22:33 <Brunius|M> Anyone know if the packing peanuts paizo uses are biodegradable?
22:55 <Brunius|M> And/or whether I can recycle them?
23:55 <Steven> dunno... forum?
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55:21 <mib_nqb2az> Looking for PUG starting now if there are any slots open or interest in putting together a game
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19:03 <Steven> hey
19:33 <Yiroep> Hi.
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25:40 <Philderbeast> grr for online gm's who cant do there reporitng quickly
25:47 <Philderbeast> let alone send out chronicals
26:12 <Steven> some people arent interested in quickly finishing things.
27:13 <Philderbeast> yea but its bad form not doing things properly for your players
27:37 <Steven> some people arent interested in quickly finishing things.
28:45 <Steven> silly philderbeast
30:39 <Yiroep> Not reporting is understandable, but not getting out chronicle sheets is frustrating.
31:02 <Philderbeast> reporting takes all of 30secs, and when its an online game
31:18 <Philderbeast> there isnt really any excuse for not reporting it as soon as the game is finished
31:43 <Yiroep> Is it really that important if you're the player, though?
32:27 <Philderbeast> if your planning on playing the character and you need to show what sessions you have played then yes it is
32:50 <Yiroep> Ah, people ask for your reported games and not chronicle sheets?
32:51 <Steven> it sometimes is rather annoying for book keeping and what not.
33:11 <Steven> anyways.... i love the new scenario just for the final encounter
33:26 <Philderbeast> if i dont have the chronical, i can at least show the reported sessions to show that i have played it for exp/pp
33:49 <Yiroep> I guess. I would first ask for the chronicle. It's far more important.
33:59 <Yiroep> Which is why I don't approve of waiting for chronicles.
34:01 <Philderbeast> particularly when your Gm is the loval VC who uses your report sesstions to work out what he will be running
34:10 <Avatar> did you chase it up
34:27 <Philderbeast> yea i just sent her an email to find out whats happening with it
34:36 <Avatar> how long have you been waiting
34:53 <Philderbeast> only since yesterday, so im just ranting, feel free to ignore me
35:14 <Avatar> when did the game end
35:37 <Philderbeast> yesterday afternoon local
35:49 <Avatar> cmon phil :P
36:19 <Philderbeast> so not 24 hours yet... but IMO if your going to gm a game you should take the time to finish it by doing the chronicals, if you dont have the extra time for that then you probably should not run the session
36:26 <Steven> <redacted>  Type disease, injury or ingested; save Fortitude DC 18  onset 1 day; Frequency 1/day  effect 1d3  Con  damage  and  1d6  Wis  damage,  and  victim  is fatigued if it takes any ability damage from the disease;  certain  creatures  slain  by  <redacted>  rise  as  plagued  beasts; Cure 3 consecutive saves
36:37 <Philderbeast> its not fair on the players at your table id you can only do half hte job as gm
37:05 <Philderbeast> /end rant
37:12 <Avatar> you need some sugar
39:17 <Philderbeast> just got my fruit loops :)
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58:55 <Avatar> Steven: just read that disease, that is NASTY
59:35 <Avatar> I suddenly want to buy 10 antiplagues instead of just 1 or 2
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12:46 * RubyRed walks in and looks around "hello?"
12:54 <Yiroep> Hello.
13:36 <RubyRed> is this an irc game channel?
14:44 <Yiroep> Is that what you were looking for? :p
15:31 * RubyRed nods
15:47 <Yiroep> Pathfinder and Pathfinder Society games are typically played here.
16:10 <RubyRed> any freeform?
16:21 <RubyRed> i dont have the hang of dicing yet
16:37 <Yiroep> Don't think people would be opposed to it.....but I haven't seen any. If that answers your question. :p
16:44 * RubyRed has a lvl 2 character elsewhere
16:57 <RubyRed> ok
17:10 <RubyRed> do you guys rp?
17:17 <RubyRed> or just quest?
18:06 <Yiroep> Mostly it's stuff Paizo makes and it's run here.
18:21 <RubyRed> paizo?
18:27 <Yiroep> They make Pathfinder.
18:44 <RubyRed> hmmm
19:01 <RubyRed> i don't think this is quite what i was looking for
19:11 <Steven> have you ever tried it?
19:39 <RubyRed> i have been playing a lowpower pathfinder game for the past theree days
19:46 <RubyRed> three*
20:03 <Steven> enjoying it?
20:09 <RubyRed> yes
20:17 <RubyRed> its kind slow though
20:26 <RubyRed> i only get to do one quest a night
20:35 <RubyRed> questing is fun
21:05 <Steven> well sounds like you could have some fun with pathfinder society then.
21:40 <Yiroep> The great thing about Pathfinder Society is you can play at any pace you want, as long as there's a game running.
21:45 <Yiroep> That's what drew me in, honestly.
22:03 <Steven> which with online play being officially sanctioned is just about all the time.
22:07 <RubyRed> hmmm
23:10 <Steven> Pathfinder Society, PFS, is a subset of rules for Pathfinder which disallow certain content(evil characters, some archetypes, and item crafting) and have prewritten adventures GMs can run, which means GMs have to do a whole lot less work to prep a game then if you were playing a homebrew.
23:46 <RubyRed> cool
23:54 <Steven> Players are for the most part protected from GM fiat of I hate your character here's a lightning bolt from the gods.
24:04 <Yiroep> Yes, and you take your character from game to game. So you have your character, it builds experience and chronicles, and you can play it in any Pathfinder Society sanctioned game around the world.
24:04 <Steven> roll up a new character
24:20 <Yiroep> Or even online. :)
24:39 <Steven> yeah, so lets say you play a game here and then tomorrow you wanna play a PFS game in your home town.
24:39 <RubyRed> is there an online irc channel for that?
24:56 <Yiroep> People use many different means to do so.
25:00 <Steven> you print off your chronicle sheet, and take it with you, and so long as your character is legal, you can play that character.
25:10 <Yiroep> This is a channel that runs Society games quite frequently.
25:14 <Steven> you're in a channel that does that, we play PFS here.
25:17 <Steven> and home brews.
25:20 <Steven> and Adventure Paths
25:37 <Steven> and test runs of a character through combats.
25:47 <Steven> the last one we do very rarely
26:14 <Steven> mostly because some people take 45 minutes in a surprise round lol
26:24 <Yiroep> LOL
27:27 <Mekkis> we used to do it a lot more, with better effects, a couple of years ago
27:54 <Steven> yeah, like the dire crocodile... that was an epic fight
28:00 <RubyRed> could i show you my character and see what you think of it?
28:02 <Steven> so many narrow misses
28:16 <Steven> well... who do you want advice from?
28:26 <Steven> because depending on who you ask you will get vastly different advice
28:33 <Yiroep> Keep in mind that Pathfinder Society has specific guidelines you ahve to follow for making your character.
28:39 <Mekkis> no, like the ones we did based on the characters http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=22
28:40 <Yiroep> And yes, what Steven said is entirely true.
28:59 <Steven> mekkis im not clicking that it may link to pron
29:22 <Mekkis> if I wanted to link you to pron, there are easier ways
29:27 <RubyRed> max and average hp?
29:38 <RubyRed> i thought it was just flat hp
29:47 <Steven> i lied... i totally clicked it.
30:08 <Steven> theres an entire guide to organized play
30:12 <Steven> ?guide
30:12 <diebot> Steven, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
30:36 <Steven> that also has a step by step walkthrough for character creation
31:19 <Yiroep> If you show it to one of us, we can tell you whether it's legal at least, and give you suggestions.
32:20 <Yiroep> Or, if you don't wish to make a character, there's pregenerated characters available that you can use for your first couple games.
32:43 <RubyRed> http://pastebin.com/TVHTvCnR
32:45 <Yiroep> I personally recommend making a character...cause that's fun. :p But that's just me.
33:19 <Yiroep> Your first character will start at level 1 if you are playing Pathfinder Society.
33:38 <RubyRed> ok
34:51 <RubyRed> btw celia is cross classed that is why there are so many class skills
37:02 <RubyRed> is there an irc hub?
39:59 <RubyRed> umm.... hello?
40:56 <Yiroep> What are you asking for exactly?
41:14 <Mekkis> no. It's a tree
41:17 <RubyRed> where is a irc hub?
41:27 <RubyRed> tree?
41:43 <Mekkis> IRC doesn't use a hub topology
41:57 <Mekkis> it uses a tree topology to relay information
43:41 <RubyRed> i dont know the difference
44:00 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure you don't care enough too
44:01 <RubyRed> i was just wondering where i could watch one of you guys types of games
44:39 <RubyRed> did i tick you off or something?
45:00 <Mekkis> nope. I just don't think explaining IRC to you will help
45:09 <Mekkis> you can watch games in here if you want
45:23 <Yiroep> Anyway...yes, you can watch a game here when one is scheduled.
45:49 <RubyRed> when is the next one?
45:59 <RubyRed> and how many people play??
46:00 <Mekkis> 4th
46:16 <Yiroep> Usually 4-6 players.
46:19 <RubyRed> ....
46:29 <Yiroep> It's the holidays. :p
46:44 * RubyRed notes thats his only free time
47:24 <RubyRed> how long does a game take you guys?
47:36 <Yiroep> A typical Pathfinder Society game is 4-5 hours.
47:54 <Yiroep> There's a board on Paizo dedicated to Online gaming for Pathfinder Society.
47:58 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderSociety/grandLodgeOnlinePlay
49:41 <Avatar> RubyRed: how did you find this chat room
50:00 <RubyRed> i serached for irc channels
50:21 <Avatar> google?
50:24 <RubyRed> https://www.google.com/search?q=Pathfinder+online+irc+game&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
51:08 <RubyRed> i just opened all the links and poked around a bit
51:30 <Avatar> just trying to wrap my head around what you know and what you don't
51:38 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder society before
51:48 <RubyRed> no
51:57 <Avatar> any RPGs?
52:01 <RubyRed> i have only played a lowpower pathfinder ruleset
52:16 <RubyRed> unique to the people i have played with for the past three days
52:18 <Avatar> have you heard of society
52:30 <RubyRed> not pathfinder society no
52:50 <Avatar> you'll want to grab that guide steven linked earlier and check it out
52:58 <RubyRed> ok
53:07 <Avatar> you can play in a long running campaign, but it's not an ideal choice unless you're 100% sure you want to hang around for a long time
53:30 <RubyRed> i have 5 days left till i have to go back to work
53:32 <Avatar> with pathfinder society, you can play in sessions whenever you like
53:38 <RubyRed> im willing to kill some time
53:52 <Avatar> do you not want to play unless it's a holiday
54:30 <RubyRed> its not i dont want to
54:35 <RubyRed> its i wont have time
54:41 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
54:46 <Avatar> pathfinder society is what you're after
54:51 <RubyRed> i getbout an hour of free time a day when i am working
54:55 <Avatar> grab that guide
56:22 <Avatar> http://pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/firststeps/
57:13 <Yiroep> Wow, that's a great resource.
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00:31 <Yiroep> Heh.
00:35 <Yiroep> Whatevs.
00:38 <Avatar> this is too much work im out see ya on the flipside laterzzzzzzz
00:52 <Yiroep> Precisely.
03:02 <Yiroep> I'm excited to play tomorrow night. We're having a New Years Eve PFS gameday, lmao.
03:19 <Yiroep> Brought in my home game character from Kingmaker, because that party fell apart so fast....
03:30 <Yiroep> And I wanted to get a chance to actually play him, lmao.
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22:03 <Steven> so whatcha guys doin?
24:52 <Yiroep> Working.
25:18 <Yiroep> But about to go home in approx 7 minutes.
27:52 <Steven> kick ass, im sittin at my dads house right now.
30:03 <Yiroep> Screw it, I'm going home.
30:06 <Yiroep> Cya all.
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41:35 <Mekkis> Steven, have you played Iron Medusa?
46:45 <Avatar> steak for breakfast
48:12 <Mekkis> muesli for breakfast
48:17 <Mekkis> steak for dinner
48:25 <Avatar> forget museli
50:14 <Mekkis> you should try it one day. It makes morning routines faster
50:27 <Steven> hes i've played iron medusa
50:48 <Steven> yes even
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51:18 <Mekkis> would it be worth playing with a level 14 character, in a party of rather optimised level 15-16 characters?
51:34 <Steven> hell if i know.
52:29 <Avatar> sounds like a definite yes to me
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53:16 <Mekkis> I played Acadamae of Secrets with that character, and felt largely useless
53:45 <Avatar> man I will never forget how useless I was in that first encounter of waking rune
53:58 <Avatar> memories of Cairo came flooding back
54:06 <Avatar> in one of the hardest scenarios ever
54:18 <Steven> I remember playing waking rune with my gunslinger.... ez
55:08 <Mekkis> I will never forgive Ashley for how he ran that scenario
55:10 <Avatar> not if you played with ashley!
55:40 <Avatar> he would say lol your gunslinger is dead here are some tactics and effects not in the scenario I will use to killz0r u
55:58 <Steven> nah, my gunslinger is pretty OP
56:05 <Mekkis> it also has taught me that if you want to throw Run as Written out the window, noone, be it VL, three VCs I talked to, or even Mike Brock will care.
57:03 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if that's the message they want to portray
58:26 <Steven> or maybe the GM gave a different report then the one you did and convinced them you guys were just being whiners
00:20 <Avatar> there's a lot of factors that happened that assumes that couldn't really happen unless mike was negligent
00:47 <Avatar> this is a GM with a dodgy history in the community
02:17 <Steven> mike listens and trusts his VCs, and if his VCs tell him there wasnt a problem then likely there wasnt a problem.
04:18 <Avatar> the VC came up with a community wide fix for the problems that occurred that didn't fix the problems that happened at our table
04:35 <Steven> dont say mike is negligent when you dont know what may have been said behind closed doors, if you have a problem with someone have a problem with ashley or your VC
04:47 <Avatar> that was a point I was specific about when I emailed mike
05:25 <Avatar> mike isn't infallible you realise
06:04 <Steven> no he isnt, but he does supervise over 300 people and gets to hear about a lot of situations like yours
06:26 <Avatar> fair enough, but in this one, he made the wrong decision
07:16 <Steven> so he gives a lot of weight to the VOs words because we typically are in a better position to know what happened.
07:23 <Mekkis> I like his 'just walk away' solution.
07:34 <Avatar> our VC acknowledged he wasn't in any position to know what happened
07:42 <Avatar> that's why he didn't retcon it
08:45 <Steven> that sucks, solution dont play with that GM anymore.
09:35 <Avatar> there's going to be more GMs like him that we'll run into and we know what to expect when that happens
09:49 <Avatar> that experience damaged our faith in the whole campaign
10:10 <Mekkis> it makes me rather distrustful of any other rules that come out
10:49 <Mekkis> if they can't enforce probably the most important rule in Organised Play, what's the chance that they can enforce anything else
10:49 <Steven> that sucks, solution if you cant trust the rules are being followed stop playing PFS at that location.
11:49 <Mekkis> that's not good for the long-term life of the campaign
12:32 <Mekkis> managing 1,000 players and managing 120,000 players is a rather big difference
13:11 <Mekkis> Steven, as a VL, what conflict resolution powers do you have?
14:28 <Avatar> if any
16:04 <Steven> I am in charge of the location of Pullman, Washington.  If people have a problem with GMs, player conflcts, or any other myriad of problems they can come to me and I work to assist them in finding a solution that is to the benefit of all parties involved.
16:32 <Avatar> advisor
17:27 <Steven> i also can fix problems that arise at tables, like say someone deciding wish planar shifting doesnt require a save to send someone to a far away plane of existance
17:58 <Steven> someone complains, and i look up the rules and tell the GM how it works and that he should fix it.
18:13 <Mekkis> so, what powers do you actually have? Can you make a binding modification to a chronicle sheet?
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18:51 <Steven> If there is a problem in Pullman I can fix it.
18:58 <Mekkis> define 'fix it'?
19:39 <Steven> and for the very rare case where i cant fix it i call up walter and tell him what i need fixed and he does it, and for the rare occations when he cant fix it he gets a hold of mike brock.
20:30 <Steven> define the problem mekkis.
31:42 <Mekkis> For example, if someone blatantly disregards Run as Written in a scenario they're running
33:46 <Steven> post game?
36:14 <Mekkis> yes
37:35 <Steven> did anyone die?
37:43 <Mekkis> no
37:55 <Mekkis> because vast amounts of consumables were used
41:06 <Steven> to what degree was RAW disregarded? additional monsters added?  DCs Increased? combat tactics/moral changed?
41:41 <Mekkis> additional spells added to the spell list, archtypes of classes changed
41:51 <Mekkis> disregard for scaling
42:02 <Mekkis> HP, AC, and fast healing increased
42:13 <Mekkis> combat tactics all but ignored
44:30 <Steven> I would contact walter and see if he would also agree that the scenario was horribly run.  He would very likely agree and then we would contact the GM and get his side of the story.  I would probably push to get the game stricken from the play history of those characters.
45:01 <Steven> but i've been known to be a softy.
48:19 <Mekkis> What about a different situation: A GM, running bonekeep, makes some mistakes, particularly involving the Accelerate [SPOILER] ability, requiring saves 1/round, rather than 1/hit. Several deaths were recorded in the session.
48:27 <Mekkis> The GM has admitted to the mistake
51:13 <Steven> well if the GM knows he made the mistake its up to him to fix it.
51:46 <Mekkis> is there a reason there's no "How to fix a fuckup" section in the guide?
52:02 <Steven> yes, because every fuck up is different
53:12 <Mekkis> sure, but they fall into certain categories
54:14 <Steven> well on the flip side, lets say a GM fucks up and doesnt run the encounter right and it is way easier then it should be.
54:48 <Steven> do we call the players back in, and say hey sorry guys but the encounter was significantly harder so lets roll a dice and see which one of you die.
55:09 <Mekkis> No, but the GM should still tell the players that he did make a mistake
55:16 <Steven> because if we have a ruling that says If the GM fucks up, do X it has to work both ways.
55:35 <Mekkis> disagree with that
55:48 <Mekkis> Take a look at http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Judging_at_Regular_REL_PDF1.pdf
56:02 <Mekkis> it has about a page on 'fixing common problems'
56:16 <Steven> this isnt MTG
56:21 <Mekkis> I know
56:49 <Mekkis> it is, however, trying to apply a consistent set of rules over a large pool of differing players and judges
00:21 <Steven> a consistent set of rules that deals with fuck ups will buckle us into not being able to apply a better ruling.
00:51 <Steven> I can see it now, Hey sorry guys i messed up and i'd like to do X, but the rules clearly say i have to do Y even though it doesnt make sense in the case.
03:41 <Mekkis> Steven, sure, but there's nothing about "what to do when you make a mistake" at all
04:53 <Steven> then i guess mistakes are never made.
06:30 <Mekkis> ha ha
07:44 <Mekkis> ls
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11:56 <Mekkis> I hope that we both know that isn't the case
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19:13 <Mekkis> I've made mistakes, VC Brisbane's made mistakes, VC Canberra's made big mistakes, VC Melbourne's admitted to making mistakes, and Mike Brock was the GM who made the aforementioned mistake...
19:21 <Mekkis> what mistakes have you made, Steven?
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58:48 <Steven> ahhhhhhh back home in my comfy chair
59:04 <Steven> so i been trying to think of a way to make a viable character with the stats i had...
59:16 <Steven> for serpents skull
02:05 <Steven> gonna have to be something with an AC to make it viable in combat
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32:05 <Steven> think im going to have breakfast for dinner.
36:04 <Steven> brb gonna gio make dinner
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04:56 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || SS: Sat 4th 1pm || WotW: Sat 11th 11am || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
04:56 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Dec 29 16:48:22 2013
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26:21 <Steven> and home brews.
26:25 <Steven> and Adventure Paths
26:41 <Steven> and test runs of a character through combats.
26:51 <Steven> the last one we do very rarely
27:18 <Steven> mostly because some people take 45 minutes in a surprise round lol
27:28 <Yiroep> LOL
28:32 <Mekkis> we used to do it a lot more, with better effects, a couple of years ago
28:58 <Steven> yeah, like the dire crocodile... that was an epic fight
29:04 <RubyRed> could i show you my character and see what you think of it?
29:07 <Steven> so many narrow misses
29:20 <Steven> well... who do you want advice from?
29:31 <Steven> because depending on who you ask you will get vastly different advice
29:37 <Yiroep> Keep in mind that Pathfinder Society has specific guidelines you ahve to follow for making your character.
29:44 <Mekkis> no, like the ones we did based on the characters http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=22
29:44 <Yiroep> And yes, what Steven said is entirely true.
30:04 <Steven> mekkis im not clicking that it may link to pron
30:26 <Mekkis> if I wanted to link you to pron, there are easier ways
30:31 <RubyRed> max and average hp?
30:42 <RubyRed> i thought it was just flat hp
30:52 <Steven> i lied... i totally clicked it.
31:12 <Steven> theres an entire guide to organized play
31:16 <Steven> ?guide
31:16 <diebot> Steven, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
31:40 <Steven> that also has a step by step walkthrough for character creation
32:23 <Yiroep> If you show it to one of us, we can tell you whether it's legal at least, and give you suggestions.
33:25 <Yiroep> Or, if you don't wish to make a character, there's pregenerated characters available that you can use for your first couple games.
33:48 <RubyRed> http://pastebin.com/TVHTvCnR
33:49 <Yiroep> I personally recommend making a character...cause that's fun. :p But that's just me.
34:24 <Yiroep> Your first character will start at level 1 if you are playing Pathfinder Society.
34:42 <RubyRed> ok
35:55 <RubyRed> btw celia is cross classed that is why there are so many class skills
38:06 <RubyRed> is there an irc hub?
41:04 <RubyRed> umm.... hello?
42:00 <Yiroep> What are you asking for exactly?
42:18 <Mekkis> no. It's a tree
42:21 <RubyRed> where is a irc hub?
42:31 <RubyRed> tree?
42:47 <Mekkis> IRC doesn't use a hub topology
43:01 <Mekkis> it uses a tree topology to relay information
44:45 <RubyRed> i dont know the difference
45:05 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure you don't care enough too
45:06 <RubyRed> i was just wondering where i could watch one of you guys types of games
45:43 <RubyRed> did i tick you off or something?
46:04 <Mekkis> nope. I just don't think explaining IRC to you will help
46:14 <Mekkis> you can watch games in here if you want
46:27 <Yiroep> Anyway...yes, you can watch a game here when one is scheduled.
46:54 <RubyRed> when is the next one?
47:03 <RubyRed> and how many people play??
47:04 <Mekkis> 4th
47:20 <Yiroep> Usually 4-6 players.
47:23 <RubyRed> ....
47:33 <Yiroep> It's the holidays. :p
47:48 * RubyRed notes thats his only free time
48:28 <RubyRed> how long does a game take you guys?
48:40 <Yiroep> A typical Pathfinder Society game is 4-5 hours.
48:58 <Yiroep> There's a board on Paizo dedicated to Online gaming for Pathfinder Society.
49:02 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderSociety/grandLodgeOnlinePlay
50:45 <Avatar> RubyRed: how did you find this chat room
51:04 <RubyRed> i serached for irc channels
51:25 <Avatar> google?
51:28 <RubyRed> https://www.google.com/search?q=Pathfinder+online+irc+game&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
52:12 <RubyRed> i just opened all the links and poked around a bit
52:34 <Avatar> just trying to wrap my head around what you know and what you don't
52:43 <Avatar> have you played pathfinder society before
52:52 <RubyRed> no
53:01 <Avatar> any RPGs?
53:05 <RubyRed> i have only played a lowpower pathfinder ruleset
53:20 <RubyRed> unique to the people i have played with for the past three days
53:22 <Avatar> have you heard of society
53:35 <RubyRed> not pathfinder society no
53:54 <Avatar> you'll want to grab that guide steven linked earlier and check it out
54:03 <RubyRed> ok
54:11 <Avatar> you can play in a long running campaign, but it's not an ideal choice unless you're 100% sure you want to hang around for a long time
54:35 <RubyRed> i have 5 days left till i have to go back to work
54:37 <Avatar> with pathfinder society, you can play in sessions whenever you like
54:42 <RubyRed> im willing to kill some time
54:56 <Avatar> do you not want to play unless it's a holiday
55:34 <RubyRed> its not i dont want to
55:39 <RubyRed> its i wont have time
55:45 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
55:50 <Avatar> pathfinder society is what you're after
55:55 <RubyRed> i getbout an hour of free time a day when i am working
55:59 <Avatar> grab that guide
57:26 <Avatar> http://pathfindersocietyonline.com/gettingstarted/firststeps/
58:17 <Yiroep> Wow, that's a great resource.
01:36 <Yiroep> Heh.
01:40 <Yiroep> Whatevs.
01:42 <Avatar> this is too much work im out see ya on the flipside laterzzzzzzz
01:56 <Yiroep> Precisely.
04:06 <Yiroep> I'm excited to play tomorrow night. We're having a New Years Eve PFS gameday, lmao.
04:23 <Yiroep> Brought in my home game character from Kingmaker, because that party fell apart so fast....
04:34 <Yiroep> And I wanted to get a chance to actually play him, lmao.
23:08 <Steven> so whatcha guys doin?
25:56 <Yiroep> Working.
26:22 <Yiroep> But about to go home in approx 7 minutes.
28:56 <Steven> kick ass, im sittin at my dads house right now.
31:08 <Yiroep> Screw it, I'm going home.
31:10 <Yiroep> Cya all.
42:39 <Mekkis> Steven, have you played Iron Medusa?
47:50 <Avatar> steak for breakfast
49:17 <Mekkis> muesli for breakfast
49:22 <Mekkis> steak for dinner
49:29 <Avatar> forget museli
51:19 <Mekkis> you should try it one day. It makes morning routines faster
51:31 <Steven> hes i've played iron medusa
51:52 <Steven> yes even
52:22 <Mekkis> would it be worth playing with a level 14 character, in a party of rather optimised level 15-16 characters?
52:38 <Steven> hell if i know.
53:33 <Avatar> sounds like a definite yes to me
54:21 <Mekkis> I played Acadamae of Secrets with that character, and felt largely useless
54:49 <Avatar> man I will never forget how useless I was in that first encounter of waking rune
55:02 <Avatar> memories of Cairo came flooding back
55:11 <Avatar> in one of the hardest scenarios ever
55:22 <Steven> I remember playing waking rune with my gunslinger.... ez
56:13 <Mekkis> I will never forgive Ashley for how he ran that scenario
56:14 <Avatar> not if you played with ashley!
56:45 <Avatar> he would say lol your gunslinger is dead here are some tactics and effects not in the scenario I will use to killz0r u
57:02 <Steven> nah, my gunslinger is pretty OP
57:09 <Mekkis> it also has taught me that if you want to throw Run as Written out the window, noone, be it VL, three VCs I talked to, or even Mike Brock will care.
58:08 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if that's the message they want to portray
59:30 <Steven> or maybe the GM gave a different report then the one you did and convinced them you guys were just being whiners
01:22 <Avatar> there's a lot of factors that happened that assumes that couldn't really happen unless mike was negligent
01:51 <Avatar> this is a GM with a dodgy history in the community
03:21 <Steven> mike listens and trusts his VCs, and if his VCs tell him there wasnt a problem then likely there wasnt a problem.
05:22 <Avatar> the VC came up with a community wide fix for the problems that occurred that didn't fix the problems that happened at our table
05:39 <Steven> dont say mike is negligent when you dont know what may have been said behind closed doors, if you have a problem with someone have a problem with ashley or your VC
05:52 <Avatar> that was a point I was specific about when I emailed mike
06:29 <Avatar> mike isn't infallible you realise
07:08 <Steven> no he isnt, but he does supervise over 300 people and gets to hear about a lot of situations like yours
07:30 <Avatar> fair enough, but in this one, he made the wrong decision
08:20 <Steven> so he gives a lot of weight to the VOs words because we typically are in a better position to know what happened.
08:28 <Mekkis> I like his 'just walk away' solution.
08:39 <Avatar> our VC acknowledged he wasn't in any position to know what happened
08:46 <Avatar> that's why he didn't retcon it
09:49 <Steven> that sucks, solution dont play with that GM anymore.
10:39 <Avatar> there's going to be more GMs like him that we'll run into and we know what to expect when that happens
10:53 <Avatar> that experience damaged our faith in the whole campaign
11:15 <Mekkis> it makes me rather distrustful of any other rules that come out
11:54 <Steven> that sucks, solution if you cant trust the rules are being followed stop playing PFS at that location.
11:54 <Mekkis> if they can't enforce probably the most important rule in Organised Play, what's the chance that they can enforce anything else
12:54 <Mekkis> that's not good for the long-term life of the campaign
13:37 <Mekkis> managing 1,000 players and managing 120,000 players is a rather big difference
14:16 <Mekkis> Steven, as a VL, what conflict resolution powers do you have?
15:32 <Avatar> if any
17:08 <Steven> I am in charge of the location of Pullman, Washington.  If people have a problem with GMs, player conflcts, or any other myriad of problems they can come to me and I work to assist them in finding a solution that is to the benefit of all parties involved.
17:36 <Avatar> advisor
18:31 <Steven> i also can fix problems that arise at tables, like say someone deciding wish planar shifting doesnt require a save to send someone to a far away plane of existance
19:02 <Steven> someone complains, and i look up the rules and tell the GM how it works and that he should fix it.
19:17 <Mekkis> so, what powers do you actually have? Can you make a binding modification to a chronicle sheet?
19:55 <Steven> If there is a problem in Pullman I can fix it.
20:03 <Mekkis> define 'fix it'?
20:43 <Steven> and for the very rare case where i cant fix it i call up walter and tell him what i need fixed and he does it, and for the rare occations when he cant fix it he gets a hold of mike brock.
21:34 <Steven> define the problem mekkis.
32:47 <Mekkis> For example, if someone blatantly disregards Run as Written in a scenario they're running
34:50 <Steven> post game?
37:18 <Mekkis> yes
38:40 <Steven> did anyone die?
38:48 <Mekkis> no
39:00 <Mekkis> because vast amounts of consumables were used
42:10 <Steven> to what degree was RAW disregarded? additional monsters added?  DCs Increased? combat tactics/moral changed?
42:46 <Mekkis> additional spells added to the spell list, archtypes of classes changed
42:55 <Mekkis> disregard for scaling
43:06 <Mekkis> HP, AC, and fast healing increased
43:18 <Mekkis> combat tactics all but ignored
45:35 <Steven> I would contact walter and see if he would also agree that the scenario was horribly run.  He would very likely agree and then we would contact the GM and get his side of the story.  I would probably push to get the game stricken from the play history of those characters.
46:05 <Steven> but i've been known to be a softy.
49:24 <Mekkis> What about a different situation: A GM, running bonekeep, makes some mistakes, particularly involving the Accelerate [SPOILER] ability, requiring saves 1/round, rather than 1/hit. Several deaths were recorded in the session.
49:31 <Mekkis> The GM has admitted to the mistake
52:17 <Steven> well if the GM knows he made the mistake its up to him to fix it.
52:51 <Mekkis> is there a reason there's no "How to fix a fuckup" section in the guide?
53:06 <Steven> yes, because every fuck up is different
54:16 <Mekkis> sure, but they fall into certain categories
55:18 <Steven> well on the flip side, lets say a GM fucks up and doesnt run the encounter right and it is way easier then it should be.
55:52 <Steven> do we call the players back in, and say hey sorry guys but the encounter was significantly harder so lets roll a dice and see which one of you die.
56:14 <Mekkis> No, but the GM should still tell the players that he did make a mistake
56:20 <Steven> because if we have a ruling that says If the GM fucks up, do X it has to work both ways.
56:39 <Mekkis> disagree with that
56:52 <Mekkis> Take a look at http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Judging_at_Regular_REL_PDF1.pdf
57:06 <Mekkis> it has about a page on 'fixing common problems'
57:20 <Steven> this isnt MTG
57:26 <Mekkis> I know
57:54 <Mekkis> it is, however, trying to apply a consistent set of rules over a large pool of differing players and judges
01:26 <Steven> a consistent set of rules that deals with fuck ups will buckle us into not being able to apply a better ruling.
01:55 <Steven> I can see it now, Hey sorry guys i messed up and i'd like to do X, but the rules clearly say i have to do Y even though it doesnt make sense in the case.
04:46 <Mekkis> Steven, sure, but there's nothing about "what to do when you make a mistake" at all
05:57 <Steven> then i guess mistakes are never made.
07:34 <Mekkis> ha ha
08:49 <Mekkis> ls
13:00 <Mekkis> I hope that we both know that isn't the case
20:17 <Mekkis> I've made mistakes, VC Brisbane's made mistakes, VC Canberra's made big mistakes, VC Melbourne's admitted to making mistakes, and Mike Brock was the GM who made the aforementioned mistake...
20:25 <Mekkis> what mistakes have you made, Steven?
59:52 <Steven> ahhhhhhh back home in my comfy chair
00:08 <Steven> so i been trying to think of a way to make a viable character with the stats i had...
00:21 <Steven> for serpents skull
03:10 <Steven> gonna have to be something with an AC to make it viable in combat
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