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14:11 <Avatar> yeah that's not the same thing
14:32 <Avatar> if you're just walking and wanting to pick up a weapon on the way, you attract AoOs
16:24 <Steven> well, you're giving away combat actions is the point.
16:39 <Steven> action economy is very nearly always on the side of the players.
18:35 <Steven> and its not very fair to players once they get to a gm who doesnt give them that rope, they stand up and move away, go to attack a bad guy and the gm tells them their weapon is 20-30 feet away.
20:06 <Avatar> it just seems like commonsense that you'd be able to do both at once
20:30 <Avatar> if the weapon is in your square and you're prone, I mean cmon
21:57 <Steven> its also common sense that it would provoke since you're opening up your defenses to pick up a weapon.
23:22 <deeldose> most girls get horny over d&d
23:30 <deeldose> they just dont know it yet !
23:45 <deeldose> plus badlurs gate ruled
23:49 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@edgehog.master
23:50 Avatar has kicked deeldose from #d&d (bye)
24:55 <Avatar> I'm comparing it to drawing a weapon
25:00 <Avatar> while moving
27:15 <Steven> except its not drawing a weapon while moving, its standing up and retrieving an unattended object.  both have listed action requirements
33:22 <s_gmusic> DISTRACTION:  about to start playing Mass Effect 2 for the first time ever and will be importing a shepard. any tips?
34:16 <Steven> dont be a soldier. they are boring.
35:54 <s_gmusic> nope. infiltrator/commando in ME1
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48:18 <Avatar> hang on, standing up provokes
50:18 <Avatar> picking up an item usually provokes, but that's assuming from the standing position
50:57 <Avatar> when you're picking it up off the ground in the same square while you're on the ground, that seems closer to drawing it from your own person than it does to bending over and picking something up
51:25 <Steven> it doesnt assume you're standing.
52:22 <Avatar> well it doesn't say either way if you want to get technical
52:33 <Avatar> I'm applying the commonsense rule
53:36 <Steven> no, you're shortcutting.
56:10 <Avatar> agree to disagree 
56:15 <Steven> standing up is a move equivalent action that provokes an AoO.  retrieving an unattended object in reach is a move equivalent action that provokes an AoO.
56:40 <Steven> you cannot draw a weapon while standing up, you cannot pick up a weapon while standing up.
57:02 <Avatar> you can't draw a weapon while standing up?
57:05 <Avatar> that'd be the CRB in the prestige classes chapter
57:09 <Steven> nope
57:16 <Avatar> not that you're here anymore to read that reply
57:17 <Avatar> how do you normally draw weapons
57:28 <Mekkis> why do you do that, Avatar 
57:35 <Avatar> do what
57:45 <Steven> by drawing a weapon, a move action, or by drawing one as a free action while part of movement.
57:52 <Steven> so long as your bab is 1 or higher
58:24 <Avatar> oh, right
03:07 <Mekkis> give advice to people who aren't here
03:42 <Avatar> I didn't notice he wasn't here at first
03:45 <Avatar> obv
05:09 <Mekkis> that was dumb.
10:48 <Mekkis> To what extent do you agree with this statement: spellcasting is like pulling out a smartphone and pressing buttons: you could be calling someone, reading a book, looking up information, control a car - or using it to set off a bomb, or overload a power station.
12:32 <Avatar> steve
13:10 <Steven> it is what i am known as
13:13 <Mekkis> Damalon01, did you play at tier 5-6?
14:10 <Damalon01> nah 1-2 i think
14:26 <Damalon01> i was a lvl 2 gunslinger
16:18 <Damalon01> Andrei's GMing was actually quite good. It was the cheese.
16:50 <Damalon01> anyways i gotta go, a friend is here and i have to go into entertainer/host mode. cya
17:52 <Avatar> I can't cast magic missile with my smartphone
17:59 <Avatar> there's no app for that
20:56 <Steven> avatar, what do you want? you said my name, you cant leave me hangin man!
21:10 <Mekkis> Sure. Here's a noose :)
22:13 <Avatar> you said hey
29:03 <Mekkis> I could blow up your car with my smartphone
29:23 <Avatar> really
29:26 <Avatar> how would you do that
29:46 <Mekkis> get someone to put a bomb on your car, and use the smartphone to trigger it
30:00 <Avatar> that's the bomb doing the work
30:28 <Avatar> if you want to say your smartphone is your spellbook, then I guess that could work
30:33 <Mekkis> all you see is me getting out my smartphone and pressing some buttons
31:24 <Avatar> not without your bomb
31:41 <Mekkis> but you can't see the bomb
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32:36 <Avatar> that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
38:22 <AngryIndianBoi> brutus
44:21 <Avatar> who's brutus
45:22 <AngryIndianBoi> its an old warez program to hack someones open ports
47:14 <Avatar> ok
47:20 <Avatar> so where were you going with that
47:48 <AngryIndianBoi> ummm   thats my business
48:12 <AngryIndianBoi> i sell brutus
50:48 <Mekkis> why would anyone buy it?
52:09 <AngryIndianBoi> That is the $11.99 question
52:20 <AngryIndianBoi> so far ive only sold 1 copy
54:42 <Mekkis> seems like a poor business plan. Can I buy stocks?
55:24 <AngryIndianBoi> get back to me in 2 years  then maybe
59:14 <Mekkis> does it work?
59:47 <AngryIndianBoi> stop interrogating me
59:49 <Mekkis> I have port 80 open on 198.81.129.107
00:00 <AngryIndianBoi> im no hacker
00:09 <AngryIndianBoi> buy it and try it
01:52 <AngryIndianBoi> google it
02:30 <AngryIndianBoi> ill sell u the full licensed version for 12 bucks,  send me the money by direct debit
02:45 <Mekkis> prove that it works first
02:47 <AngryIndianBoi> comm bank:  bsb: 065128
02:54 <AngryIndianBoi> account:  10167229
03:10 <AngryIndianBoi> ill give u a money back guarantee
03:28 <Mekkis> don't care.
03:36 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> So, can someone answer me why Matt goodall of all people is talking about giving characters roleplay life?
03:58 <Steven> hey
04:04 <Mekkis> because he thinks roleplaying is important?
05:48 <Mekkis> I don't understand what you mean by 'of all people'. He WROTE a chunk of of golarion lore
08:10 <Mekkis> hey foo
09:13 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> No I mean the guy who makes comepletly minimaxed characters thing
09:32 <AngryIndianBoi> a bigger chunk than Al Gore
10:16 <Mekkis> yeah, but he roleplays them
10:24 <Mekkis> well
11:32 <Mekkis> roleplaying and minmaxing aren't mutually exclusive
22:48 <Steven> dont call me foo please
31:10 <Steven> yeah my character Ahtuz is minmaxed to the extreme
31:23 <Steven> but hes fun to play and has great table interaction
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43:24 <s_gmusic> that thing about smartphones for spellcasting makes me want to play d20 Modern again. :(
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52:45 <Steven> it makes me want to beat a seal with a boot
02:10 <s_gmusic> don't do that! you'll void your warranty
23:26 <Steven> pfffft
24:14 <Brunius> Mekkis: a 25 is meant to be a perfect average
24:22 <Brunius> ATAR is hypothetically scaled per year
26:24 <Mekkis> the entrance requirement also depends on who's applying, right?
26:39 <Brunius> Typically, yes
27:11 <Brunius> I'm not expecting to score a perfect average, though
27:16 <Mekkis> I unlocked my AMX 12t
27:20 <Brunius> since my two sciences are next year
37:32 * Steven Nods his head like he understands what they just said.
41:19 <Mekkis> I shot a T34 25 times last battle
41:37 <Mekkis> sorry, 22 times
42:06 <Mekkis> eventually I got him with his rear track exposed, with his turret behind a rock
42:22 <Mekkis> then it's just "every third round must be HE"
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13:37 <Brunius> Steven: As long as I score about 50% on my end of year report card, my GPA will be good enough to get into the college I want
13:54 <Brunius> In theory
14:15 <Brunius> I think GPA is the equivalent
26:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, tanks?
32:33 <Alynn> but going to go eat dinner so brb
32:51 <Alynn> whoops wrong channel
37:45 <Steven> hope you're dinner is good
50:48 <Mekkis> Brunius?
51:29 <Steven> damned headache is so annoying!
56:15 <Steven> what to watch....
56:36 <Steven> !rand comedy action scifi drama
56:37 <dicebot> Steven, random: drama
56:42 <Steven> drama it is!
01:45 <Brunius> shadow_hunter
01:55 <Mekkis> Brunius
03:23 <Brunius> Mekkis
04:39 <Shadow_hunter> Good evening I hope I am not interrupting anything, I just had a quick question: I am wondering if you allow psionic type characters with the changes that dreamscarred press released?   
07:53 <Mekkis> I will on a case-by-case basis, in my campaign
08:05 <Mekkis> after I read the rules
08:13 <Mekkis> Brunius, tanks?
08:32 <Brunius> Can probably do a couple of rounds
08:42 <Mekkis> cool
08:45 <Mekkis> send the invite
08:49 <Shadow_hunter> ok more or less I hope to make a character with a class name of soulknife
09:14 <Mekkis> you're not in my campaign yet, are you?
09:54 <Shadow_hunter> no I wanted to ask first if people (or just this site) allows psionic type classes
10:36 <Shadow_hunter> I am currently in the process of making an account and the paper work 
11:35 <Mekkis> PFS doesn't allow it
11:40 <Mekkis> if that;s your question
13:05 <Shadow_hunter> PFS is pathfinder society correct?  what is the difference from pathfinder irl to PFS?
15:24 <Shadow_hunter> ah ok forget I asked
16:00 <Shadow_hunter> thank you for the answers
16:29 <Steven> woot another follower on twitch
16:50 <Avatar> thank you for the answers NOW I MUST QUICKLY MAKE HASTE
59:00 <s_gmusic> yay
59:32 <s_gmusic> just finished my NewGame+ playthrough of Mass Effect 1. it's now 5am. install and start on Mass Effect 2 or go to sleep? >.>
59:40 <Mekkis> sleep
00:07 <Mekkis> make a 20th level character
01:58 <s_gmusic> bwuh?
02:25 <s_gmusic> o blarg. forgot to fix some of my pathfinder characters. guess I can do that while ME2 installs.
03:08 <Brunius> s_gmusic, go to sleep
05:37 <s_gmusic> why?
06:26 <s_gmusic> also, any tips for playing through ME2? 
08:17 <s_gmusic> it's not like I have to go over too much on my characters. need to update my slayer and make sure I finished leveling my dwarven fighter/monk.
08:17 <Mekkis> I have this encounter for a 20th level character I want to run
10:02 <s_gmusic> ah
34:35 <Steven> made for a wizard or a fighter mekkis?
46:20 <Mekkis> any class
46:38 <Mekkis> It should be survivable for a party of 4
47:01 <Mekkis> whether it's survivable by a single character, I'm not sure
59:35 <Steven> so... kinda quiet in here today.
00:05 <s_gmusic> yup
00:22 <Steven> i notice cwheezy hasnt been in the last couple days
05:55 <Steven> i hate multiple day migraines
06:21 <Steven> i thought it was wednesday for the last few hours
53:50 <s_gmusic> I want a character with an adamantine weapon, but not sure what would be good to roll up and justify the 3000gp expense. :\
57:01 <Steven> usually theres no bad adamantine weapon.  It bypasses hardness of objects. which is nice
59:32 <s_gmusic> yeah, but what I'm looking at is the 3000gp it costs to make it from adamantine can be used to start enchanting it.
01:36 <Steven> well, thats why its called a decision
01:59 <s_gmusic> yup.
02:29 <s_gmusic> mostly I've never thought of Adamantine stuff before, so unsure about the value of using it.
03:35 <s_gmusic> either way, a +4 normal weapon is 32000gp + weapon/masterwork cost. +4 adamantine is 35000gp + base weapon cost. both require 45 Prestige to get
04:26 <s_gmusic> hell, to get adamantine alone, I'd need 15 prestige because of the fame/gp caps, unless I play/dm a cert that has what I want on it.
04:44 <s_gmusic> not 15pp, it's 18pp. misread my printout. :\
12:30 <Avatar> 18pp isn't that far off
12:46 <Avatar> well
12:48 <Avatar> 9-12 scenarios
12:50 <Avatar> I guess it is
13:38 <s_gmusic> that's about level 3 or 4. doesn't seem that bad, but when you figure in how derpish groups can be regarding secondary success conditions...? Yeah. :|
24:13 <Avatar> what do you mean how derpish groups can be
24:25 <Avatar> only takes one person to do it
24:38 <Avatar> do you mean how derpish you can be 
25:36 <Steven> also only takes on person to ruin it
25:53 <s_gmusic> a bit of both. most of the people that play like to joke around and not really pay attention. add in that I have to deal with customers at the shop I work at, things get missed. :(
34:10 <Steven> the group i was playing with couldnt figure out a riddle from a sphinx the other day
35:59 <Avatar> considered picking up iron guts or very maybe terrain mastery for a rogue talent
36:30 <Avatar> iron guts is decent, +1 to saves vs ingested poisons and +4 to fort saves vs nauseated/sickening spells and effects
36:40 <Avatar> my fort save isn't great
36:53 <Avatar> I don't think wall climber will work out, climbing isn't that common
37:53 <Avatar> is vital strike any good
38:15 <Avatar> with a d6 weapon
38:56 <Steven> meh
39:01 <Steven> do you have quick draw?
39:08 <Avatar> no but what good is quick draw
39:29 <Steven> somebody disarms you, you fall unconscious, other unforseen things
39:46 <Avatar> eh?
39:46 <Steven> you spend a free action to draw a weapon and make full attacks rather than a move to pick up your weapon and provoke aoo
40:20 <Avatar> I've always ruled that when you fall unconscious and stand up again, you pick your weapon up on the way
40:27 <Avatar> and doesn't provoke
40:55 <Avatar> might be good if it's a pre-req for something else
41:12 <Steven> you may have ruled that way but that is not the way it actually works.
41:33 <Avatar> do the rules say differently
41:33 <Steven> when you go unconcious you drop anything held in your hand.  there is a feat that does what you're giving away
41:43 <Avatar> what feat is it
43:46 <Steven> it was int he primer, i dont remember the name
46:53 <Avatar> PFS primer?
47:09 <Steven> think so.
50:34 <s_gmusic> I'm not seeing it. was it the brand new primer, the old field guide, or seekers of secrets instead?
54:13 <Steven> ah its cut your losses, when you take a withdraw action.
59:38 <Steven> anyways, quickdraw pretty great feat
15:07 <Avatar> yeah that's not the same thing
15:28 <Avatar> if you're just walking and wanting to pick up a weapon on the way, you attract AoOs
17:20 <Steven> well, you're giving away combat actions is the point.
17:35 <Steven> action economy is very nearly always on the side of the players.
19:31 <Steven> and its not very fair to players once they get to a gm who doesnt give them that rope, they stand up and move away, go to attack a bad guy and the gm tells them their weapon is 20-30 feet away.
21:02 <Avatar> it just seems like commonsense that you'd be able to do both at once
21:26 <Avatar> if the weapon is in your square and you're prone, I mean cmon
22:53 <Steven> its also common sense that it would provoke since you're opening up your defenses to pick up a weapon.
24:18 <deeldose> most girls get horny over d&d
24:26 <deeldose> they just dont know it yet !
24:41 <deeldose> plus badlurs gate ruled
25:51 <Avatar> I'm comparing it to drawing a weapon
25:56 <Avatar> while moving
28:11 <Steven> except its not drawing a weapon while moving, its standing up and retrieving an unattended object.  both have listed action requirements
34:17 <s_gmusic> DISTRACTION:  about to start playing Mass Effect 2 for the first time ever and will be importing a shepard. any tips?
35:12 <Steven> dont be a soldier. they are boring.
36:50 <s_gmusic> nope. infiltrator/commando in ME1
49:14 <Avatar> hang on, standing up provokes
51:14 <Avatar> picking up an item usually provokes, but that's assuming from the standing position
51:53 <Avatar> when you're picking it up off the ground in the same square while you're on the ground, that seems closer to drawing it from your own person than it does to bending over and picking something up
52:21 <Steven> it doesnt assume you're standing.
53:18 <Avatar> well it doesn't say either way if you want to get technical
53:29 <Avatar> I'm applying the commonsense rule
54:32 <Steven> no, you're shortcutting.
57:06 <Avatar> agree to disagree 
57:11 <Steven> standing up is a move equivalent action that provokes an AoO.  retrieving an unattended object in reach is a move equivalent action that provokes an AoO.
57:36 <Steven> you cannot draw a weapon while standing up, you cannot pick up a weapon while standing up.
57:58 <Avatar> you can't draw a weapon while standing up?
58:05 <Steven> nope
58:13 <Avatar> how do you normally draw weapons
58:41 <Steven> by drawing a weapon, a move action, or by drawing one as a free action while part of movement.
58:48 <Steven> so long as your bab is 1 or higher
59:20 <Avatar> oh, right
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52:40 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Dec 16 19:25:11 2013
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36:07 <Avatar> you need all the pre-reqs of a prestige class before you level to the prestige class don't you
36:27 <Avatar> you can't pick up a pre-req feat and the 1st prestige class level at the same time
42:23 <Verloren> I'd say you could but your probably can't because PF isn't very prestige class friendly
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55:54 <Avatar> I thought there was a FAQ on it but I can't find it
56:01 <Avatar> that'd be the CRB in the prestige classes chapter
56:13 <Avatar> not that you're here anymore to read that reply
56:24 <Mekkis> why do you do that, Avatar 
56:31 <Avatar> do what
56:56 <Yiroep> I don't have the source, but you're correct. Same applies to skills.
58:05 <Yiroep> "If a character does not meet the requirements for a prestige class before gaining any benefits of that level, that character cannot take that prestige class."
02:03 <Mekkis> give advice to people who aren't here
02:39 <Avatar> I didn't notice he wasn't here at first
02:42 <Avatar> obv
04:05 <Mekkis> that was dumb.
06:04 <Avatar> that sounds like you do have the source
06:17 <Yiroep> That came after I found it. :p
06:39 <Yiroep> It's just from the Paizo PRD.
09:45 <Mekkis> To what extent do you agree with this statement: spellcasting is like pulling out a smartphone and pressing buttons: you could be calling someone, reading a book, looking up information, control a car - or using it to set off a bomb, or overload a power station.
14:02 <Avatar> where abouts in the PRD
14:09 <Avatar> you may as well say "it's in the rules somewhere"
14:23 <Avatar> from one of the 8 odd books the PRD includes
16:48 <Avatar> I can't cast magic missile with my smartphone
16:55 <Avatar> there's no app for that
27:59 <Mekkis> I could blow up your car with my smartphone
28:20 <Avatar> really
28:23 <Avatar> how would you do that
28:43 <Mekkis> get someone to put a bomb on your car, and use the smartphone to trigger it
28:57 <Avatar> that's the bomb doing the work
29:25 <Avatar> if you want to say your smartphone is your spellbook, then I guess that could work
29:29 <Mekkis> all you see is me getting out my smartphone and pressing some buttons
30:21 <Avatar> not without your bomb
30:37 <Mekkis> but you can't see the bomb
31:33 <Avatar> that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
31:57 <Yiroep> I re-googled my quote and found it. :p
31:58 <Yiroep> http://paizo.com/prd/prestigeClasses.html
39:46 <Steven> sup
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02:55 <Steven> hey
07:06 <Mekkis> hey foo
21:44 <Steven> dont call me foo please
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42:21 <s_gmusic> that thing about smartphones for spellcasting makes me want to play d20 Modern again. :(
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14:17 <Mekkis> it's almost like I called him on his complaints
14:44 <Mekkis> hey Brunius_ 
14:58 <Mekkis> could you please put a bomb on Avatar's car before you come to Canberra
17:17 <Mekkis> really disappointed with the secondary success condition of Wonders in the weave II
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30:45 <Steven> got my xsplit up and working
34:37 <Steven> only took like two hours
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