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12:56 <Steven> my ruling is that if they want to close their eyes no problem
13:11 <Steven> but if they dont say they open them well look at that.
13:17 <Steven> flat footed bitch
13:36 <Avatar> can't do that 
13:47 <Avatar> go by intention
13:54 <Avatar> not lol but you didn't say that
14:06 <Avatar> jerk rule applies
14:19 <Steven> what intention? as a free action they close their eyes, make all their attacks and free action open their eyes.
14:28 <Steven> if they dont say they do, well sucks to be them.
14:38 <Avatar> is this assuming you know they plan to reopen them
14:54 <Steven> i assume nothing!
14:55 <Avatar> we're talking about people who know what they're doing
15:20 <Steven> i only usually ever get one person flat footed
15:29 <Steven> then everyone remembers to open their eyes.
17:27 <Avatar> do they "remember" to open their eyes because they forgot the first time, or because their GM is being a strict dolt who requires them to say it every time?
18:04 <Steven> who cares? they are negating an entire school of magic with a free action.
18:14 <Avatar> so you just don't like the workaround
18:27 <Avatar> and you're adding the jerk part of it for game balance
19:12 <Avatar> you can see how this might be a solution to think twice about
19:18 <Avatar> I don't particularly like the workaround either
19:35 <Avatar> I just can't work out what part of it should be doable or not
19:38 <Steven> its not jerky, its book keeping, and if they dont do it then why should i give things away?
20:13 <Avatar> because when you ignore intentions, you mess with player's heads and that damages their play experience and your reputation 
20:35 <Avatar> worse if they think you're doing the right thing and they spread that behaviour to others
21:50 <Steven> i think they're jerky when someone spends a round or two putting up blur/displacement and mirror image and then they spend a free action to close their eyes and have Blind fight.
22:45 <Steven> action economy is a thing, and NPCs are certainly short of it 99% of the time, so if they spend a free action to negate actions then by god they should certainly have to remember to spend another free action to undo it and if they dont
22:45 <Avatar> blindfight lets you reroll miss chances
23:18 <Steven> well they should get an attack vs their flat footed.
23:49 <Avatar> some people were saying it's basically blinking and shouldn't affect the spell
24:00 <Avatar> SKR thinks it should be a move action to close, swing, open
24:17 <Avatar> er, move action to close/open and swing in between
24:44 <Avatar> because you're sort of "preparing yourself" for a specific action
25:40 <Avatar> and other people are talking about how you still hear the sounds of the mirror images, but the text of the spell specifically says you need to be able to see the images for the spell to have any effect
25:56 <Avatar> there's no real agreement
27:15 <Steven> i know, but as it stands its a free action to close your eyes and a free action to open your eyes
28:21 <Steven> and it negates them illusion spells
28:43 <Steven> so unless people say they open their eyes, im swingin in on em vs flatfooted.
29:53 <Avatar> I'll have to remember to be extra paranoid for the 6 hours I spend in your games
30:12 <Steven> you should be!
31:03 <Steven> or maybe i'll have the NPC ready an action to attack you when you close your eyes and then five foot step away?!?
31:11 <Steven> the mind games!
31:55 <Avatar> readying an attack is a risk they'd have to take
42:22 <Avatar> I'm considering taking the blindfight feat instead of the second chance rogue talent
42:56 <Avatar> second chance lets you forego remaining attacks to roll one more attack at your highest TAB
43:06 <Steven> i'm considering making a Monk of the Four Winds
43:21 <Avatar> I remember you saying you weren't making any more characters
43:27 <Avatar> that went out the window aye
43:43 <Steven> at 12th level they can spend a swift action and 6 ki points to get 3 standard actions
43:54 <Steven> I'm using a level 2 rebuild
44:09 <Steven> from one of the characters i built for a first steps running
44:33 <Avatar> I have to look at getting my arcanist together at some point
45:20 <Avatar> not sure if I can still do my admixture build with it
45:39 <Avatar> 7 14 16 20 7 7
46:58 <Steven> ah! you're really getting into the min maxing spirit
47:10 <Steven> next you'll be like those guys we played with last night.
47:26 <Steven> no combat lasted longer than a round.
47:33 <Avatar> just trying to survive
47:36 <Brunius> What are you building for?
47:36 <Brunius> PFS?
47:41 <Avatar> yeah
47:44 <Avatar> what else
47:49 <Brunius> Home games, man
47:58 <Avatar> PFS are home games
48:07 <Avatar> what do you think we play here
50:39 <Steven> but seriously... yesterdays game was horrible.
54:53 <Steven> it has some of the coolest combats
55:19 <Steven> and all of them pretty much ended with ill omen slumber or eidolon pounce
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24:41 <Avatar> summoners are a problem
58:42 <Philderbeast> ahhh there we go finally got around to moving my irc client to this box
00:37 <Steven> grats
03:47 <Philderbeast> really only did it to free up my raspberry pi for other duties :)
04:49 <Avatar> phil
06:01 <Avatar> when are you looking to play your next game
06:38 <Avatar> back in a bit
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42:44 <Philderbeast> tomorrow afternoon
43:02 <Philderbeast> thats me as a player
43:11 <Philderbeast> nothing scedualed to gm at the momenbt
45:23 <Philderbeast> unless your talking ruby pheonix but we finished that
47:30 <Avatar> no I mean you as a player
47:41 <Avatar> does that mean you're playing something tomorrow afternoon or you're free to play tomorrow afternoon
47:54 <Avatar> I'm after the latter
50:58 <Philderbeast> im playing at the moment
51:06 <Philderbeast> what did you have in mind?
01:37 <Avatar> running a game where you get dibs 
04:02 <Philderbeast> i could do tomorrow morning. or later in the week
08:19 <Avatar> what tier do you want
08:30 <Philderbeast> anything for lvl 3
08:40 <Avatar> 1-5, 1-7 or 3-7?
08:43 <Avatar> no preference?
08:44 <Philderbeast> yea
09:11 <Philderbeast> not really
09:33 <Avatar> I actually still have storming the diamond gate ready on roll20
09:35 <Philderbeast> my sessioned played are currnet on the site
09:44 <Avatar> so that might work if you don't mind me making 100 mistakes
09:55 <Avatar> or I can run it in CA for half the cost
09:55 <Philderbeast> cant be worse then me Gming
10:15 <Avatar> I'm really not confident at all with roll20 yet, that's the thing
10:24 <Avatar> the maps are set up well-enough, but it's not ideal
10:40 <Philderbeast> if you want to learn to use it im happy to help you out as you run it
11:17 <Philderbeast> i dont use any of the advanced stuff in it though
11:32 <Avatar> I don't really know what else I need to know
11:48 <Philderbeast> your call on what you run it on
11:52 <Avatar> I can't imagine adding tokens isn't straightforward
11:55 <Philderbeast> your the Gm you get to pick
12:06 <Philderbeast> drag an image in, or pick from the stock ones
12:13 <Avatar> yeah
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12:16 <Philderbeast> resize as appropriate
12:18 <Avatar> do you have to prep tokens in advance
12:24 <Philderbeast> you dont have to
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12:31 <Philderbeast> i didnt for ruby Pheonix
12:36 <Philderbeast> as i reused the maps a lot
13:08 <Philderbeast> you can reuse them and it can make it a little smoother as you can set up all there hp etc so it helps you track it
13:16 <Avatar> what else do you need to prep apart from maps
13:29 <Avatar> lighting?
13:31 <Philderbeast> handouts if there are any
13:37 <Avatar> no I mean in roll20
13:40 <Philderbeast> i dont use the lighting most of thetimes
13:46 <Philderbeast> i do handouts in roll20
13:52 <Philderbeast> it has that option
13:53 <Avatar> you'll want light in storming
14:13 <Philderbeast> i have done the basic fog of war in it
14:20 <Avatar> right, fog of war
14:23 <Avatar> how do you do that
14:23 <Philderbeast> but i havent used the dynamic lighting
14:28 <Avatar> I just drew shapes but I don't know if that's right
14:43 <Philderbeast> there is a better way
14:50 <Philderbeast> let me find a table where i have done it
15:37 <Philderbeast> ok got one
15:46 <Philderbeast> you need to click the eye icon in the toolbar
16:14 <Avatar> oh dynamic lighting isn't actually in roll20 basic
16:15 <Philderbeast> if you click hide areas it will default to the whole map hidded from the players but you can still see through the fog
16:20 <Philderbeast> its just shaded
16:24 <Philderbeast> nar thats why i dont use it
16:35 <Philderbeast> its awsome if you want to use it though
16:39 <Philderbeast> but i dont want to pay for it
17:44 <Philderbeast> you thenjust reveil what you want your players to see as ytou go
18:48 <Avatar> do you need to pay for fog of war as well?
18:52 <Philderbeast> nope
18:54 <Philderbeast> its free
19:08 <Avatar> doesn't clicking reveal areas reveal the whole map
19:53 <Philderbeast> it lets you drag out an are to reveil
20:55 <Avatar> something's wrong, I think I've joined as a player
20:58 <Avatar> can't move anything anymore
21:13 <Philderbeast> just repoen the campaign it will auto save
21:29 <Avatar> was that a bug
21:40 <Philderbeast> you can join as a player to see what they see
21:45 <Philderbeast> its a link somewhere
22:01 <Damalon01> you may hav forgotten to give youself control of the tokens as a player
22:11 <Damalon01> rejoining as a player is in the options
23:43 <Avatar> I haven't got any tokens
24:03 <Avatar> how do you assign ownership of a token to a player
24:21 <Philderbeast> doubble click on it and there are a bunch of options for tokent
24:52 <Avatar> right, found it
25:31 <Avatar> so I have to keep drawing polygons to show revealed locations
25:48 <Philderbeast> yea its the worst thing about that method
25:57 <Philderbeast> i would only use fog of war on maps where you need it
26:12 <Avatar> like in a dungeon
26:17 <Philderbeast> yea
26:26 <Avatar> yeah I will need it :P
26:46 <Avatar> subscribing to get dynamic lighting isn't helpful either is it
26:51 <Avatar> because you still have to reveal areas
27:10 <Damalon01> no you can set the tokens to do it
27:10 <Philderbeast> nope
27:24 <Philderbeast> once you set up the lighting each player sees things based on where there token is
27:37 <Avatar> but only within what you've revealed
27:49 <Damalon01> you can set the zones with dynamic light zones tho
27:54 <Avatar> oh
27:56 <Philderbeast> nope, you set up where solid objects are and it lights based on that
27:57 <Avatar> that is good
28:12 <Philderbeast> i have used it once it works really well
28:42 <Avatar> $50 or $100 to subscribe
28:53 <Philderbeast> yea thats why i havent
29:01 <Philderbeast> only really worth it if you gm online a lot
29:20 <Damalon01> i won 5 months free supported access
29:22 <Damalon01> :)
29:25 <Philderbeast> nice
29:27 <Avatar> how'd you manage that
29:40 <Damalon01> i won it after playing at VirtuaCon
29:46 <Damalon01> online convention
30:12 <Damalon01> i was named 'champion' of an event, dont know which one
31:10 <Avatar> was it random or did you do something
31:58 <Damalon01> there was a selection of prizes
32:53 <Avatar> but what did you have to do to win a prize
33:08 <Avatar> other than participate in virtuacon
33:11 <Philderbeast> play at tables
33:22 <Avatar> and they randomly gave out prizes
33:31 <Philderbeast> yea afaik
33:40 <Avatar> pretty sweet
33:48 <Avatar> those online conventions are always good
34:03 <Philderbeast> yea paizo gave prive support for it as well
34:11 <Avatar> I think I won a $20 voucher on paizo.com for playing in year of the shadow lodge online
34:49 <Avatar> there were some mistakes made, but it was run pretty impressively for a special
35:03 <Philderbeast> i have only played 1 so far and it was great
35:21 <Philderbeast> im hopeing to get to play some of the older ones
36:43 <Steven> i am lucky.
36:59 <Steven> I've been involved in 5 of them 
37:18 <Philderbeast> grumble gruble grumble stupid VO's
39:11 <Philderbeast> :P
49:42 <Steven> dont hate... appreciate
12:19 <andrey> anyone here play ftl?
18:33 <Damalon01> why does Augment Summoning require spell focus (Conjuration)?! Spell focus (Conjuration) is such a waste.
21:19 <Avatar> summoning is a conjuration specialty
21:25 <Avatar> all the summoning spells are conjuration spells
27:06 <Damalon01> yes but theres no save involved
27:22 <Damalon01> so why spell focus?
27:37 <Damalon01> infact conjuration based spells rarely have saves
28:18 <Avatar> for the same reason you need to be able to cast arcane spells to take arcane strike :P
30:14 <Damalon01> lolol
30:21 <Damalon01> not quite the same thing :P
36:13 <Steven> because at higher level there are several spells that are really quite good that are conjuration that have DCs
36:36 <Steven> and there should be a feat tax for augment summoning
36:45 <Steven> its pretty powerful
51:28 <Damalon01> Augment Summoning is OK
53:16 <Avatar> I recall augment summoning being amazing, I can't remember why though, I've never taken it or looked into it
03:38 <Bloodlust> yo
06:47 <Philderbeast> hey
07:02 <Bloodlust> Thanks again for the game
07:10 <Bloodlust> It was great that we could knock it out in one session :)
07:17 <Philderbeast> np gld you enjoyed it
07:25 <Bloodlust> Now I just need two more games before the 4th so I can play in Eyes of the Ten
07:34 <Philderbeast> well that happens when you slaughter everything
07:46 <Bloodlust> Summoners = OP
07:55 <Philderbeast> more the witches :P
08:03 <Bloodlust> nah, they are one trick ponies
08:03 <Philderbeast> misfortune + slumber = op
08:27 <Philderbeast> not to menbtion the fat man :{P
08:28 <Bloodlust> I fail the slumber, that's it.  The eidelon fails you hit you one attack (yeah, right) it hits you with all the others, every round
08:51 <Bloodlust> It was ill omen from a wand (familiar) and slumber
09:12 <Bloodlust> And you have no way to damage it in melee
09:19 <Bloodlust> They need to be toned down a lot
09:19 <Philderbeast> yea
09:54 <Philderbeast> nothing in that module was particularly good at avoiding spells though
10:02 <Bloodlust> Something as simple as, one minute per level you can get your eidelon - they do not have to be consecutive
10:53 <Bloodlust> The fact that it is done over several days makes it too easy for the casters
11:01 <Steven> augment summoning is powerful when you start summoning more than one creature since all of them benefit from the feat. 
11:04 <Philderbeast> yea the eidalons arnt that stron, if you can hit them they die really fast
11:18 <Bloodlust> But you can never hit them
11:33 <Bloodlust> I'll be buggered if I know how the summoner had 135HP
11:39 <Philderbeast> i probably could have killed it in the last encounter with spells
11:48 <Mekkis> eidolons die to stuff like Unholy Blight
11:49 <Steven> its not hard to get a lot of health
12:04 <Mekkis> good outsider
12:07 <Steven> he probably didnt have a lot of cha.
12:12 <Bloodlust> how do you suggest steven?
12:26 <Steven> and stacked con instead.
12:34 <Steven> because he didnt cast a lot of spells.
12:54 <Mekkis> cha isn't that important for summoners
12:54 <Bloodlust> I have con 16 and only just over 100HP
13:07 <Bloodlust> what is their casting stat?
13:15 <Mekkis> cha
13:15 <Steven> cha is their casting stat.
13:28 <Bloodlust> s how can you dump it?
13:31 <Mekkis> but most of their spells don't require saves
13:51 <Steven> my wizard had 18 con and was sitting at around 120 or so Hp before temp hp
14:17 <Bloodlust> As far as I'm concerned - when your pet, familiar, companion, eidelon is more powerful that a class character of the same level - it is OP
14:38 <Mekkis> played echoes of the everwar II through IV today
14:45 <Bloodlust> I wish
14:57 <Steven> well...  i could have killed him. lol
14:59 <Bloodlust> I need two more games before the 4th or I'm not going to get into Eyes of the Ten :(
15:16 <Mekkis> you've seen my definition of 'correct power level'
15:22 <Philderbeast> 45 ac n the eidalon before doing anything to it
15:45 <Bloodlust> See, that's insane - NOTHING should have an AC that high except a elder dragon or something
15:50 <Bloodlust> That is EPIC level
16:06 <Philderbeast> the 12 touch is what i needed to be hitting
16:51 <Bloodlust> Only way to deal with eidelons is to kill the summoners
16:51 <Mekkis> it's 'how does it handle a cr-appropriate encounter'
17:10 <Mekkis> today, I had 16ac for most of the day.
17:18 <Bloodlust> Eidelons crush a CR-appropriate encounter - every time
17:31 <Bloodlust> My witch only has about that AC
18:26 <Mekkis> mine isn't: I deliberately dropped my AC, after I realised it was too high
18:26 <Bloodlust> I refuse to play one because I know every time I see one enter the game I feel that the rush is on to act before it or feel utterly useless for the entire scenario
19:12 <Philderbeast> to be honest the eidalons ac is to high there. if i had of got more then one round in any combat i would have ignored that and started on the summoner
19:49 <Steven> i think after first combat in the tourny you could have started that.
20:10 <Steven> and used a lil bit different tactics... could have made them work for it a bit more.
20:12 <Bloodlust> Especially considering they are open for our opponents to watch
20:17 <Philderbeast> i still had to be alive and/or awake to do something
20:39 <Mekkis> I think you should have just adjusted the encounters to provide more of a challenge
20:53 <Bloodlust> Can you dispel an eidelon?
21:03 <Steven> nope
21:17 <Philderbeast> if i was doing that again i wouldnt have a 6 player table
21:32 <Bloodlust> It depends on the group
21:56 <Steven> yeah, i dialed my shit way back except for that instance where you laughed at my character.
22:00 <Philderbeast> the encounters are not designed for a 6 player party at that power level
22:39 <Mekkis> it's the issue with the PFS culture shift
22:43 <Bloodlust> I was saying the same thing.  I could have also gone into the first round of every combat with suffocation, baleful polymorph, feeblemind, etc
22:57 <Steven> then bitches had to die... you dont laugh at a fat dude floating in the air
23:06 <Philderbeast> that was kind of amusing though, i had a plan for that npc and it fit the character... unfortunatly he didnt get a chance to act due to bad iniative
23:08 <Mekkis> when we have VLs encouraging massive powergaming
23:41 <Bloodlust> If you don't "optimise" you feel like an idiot past 8th level
23:53 <Steven> yeah, when my fat man acts before a mob is real rarity
23:53 <Bloodlust> It's why I retired two characters at that point
24:04 <Mekkis> no you don't
24:04 <Bloodlust> I felt utterly useless in comparison
24:26 <Avatar> Bloodlust: retrain
24:31 <Avatar> it's saved my characters
24:37 <Bloodlust> now you ccan do that
24:43 <Bloodlust> and it costs a shitload to do
24:44 <Philderbeast> yea my character im working on wont have that insane power level at high levels, but he should still be run
25:06 <Mekkis> bloodlust: especially, in comparison
25:12 <Avatar> yeah but it's better than retirement
25:22 <Avatar> I spent 27 prestige on my archaeologist
25:33 <Avatar> if he dies, so what
25:33 <Steven> well a couple of the fights really could have gone differently, like the chick that got hold monster'd has freedom of movement
25:36 <Mekkis> but you're comparing to the characters who cause the problem in the first place
25:37 <Bloodlust> what doe sit cost to change a feat?
25:37 <Avatar> you were going to retire him anyway
25:42 <Avatar> 5 prestige
25:51 <Avatar> I had to change 4 feats and a class level
25:56 <Bloodlust> just 5 prestige for a feat?
25:58 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, just change it: don't ask, don't tell.
26:05 <Bloodlust> and it can be any of your feats?
26:15 <Bloodlust> lol
26:23 <Avatar> yeah
26:33 <Avatar> if it's a pre-req for something else, you can't use that something else feat
26:39 <Bloodlust> what about ones available at first level only?
26:53 <Avatar> commonsense and honour system applies
26:54 <Bloodlust> can you change your first level feat?
27:05 <Avatar> first level retraining doesn't come into it
27:15 <Avatar> if you're 8th level, you can't retrain them without retraining costs
27:23 <Mekkis> grey area. don't ask don't tell
27:31 <Bloodlust> okay lol
27:48 <Avatar> how is it a grey area man
29:03 <Philderbeast> sure no one will probably notice if you dont tell anyone, but its cheating... there is a way to do it properly... do it that way
29:48 <Steven> do not cheat.  It is not an acceptable thing to do, it is not a grey area.
33:24 <Philderbeast> but yea retraining is a good option if you find your characters are not working
33:46 <Steven> i did a bit of it on my barbarian to drop my ac a bit
34:26 <Philderbeast> yea i have done some on my cleric to try and move her in a better direction
35:11 <Steven> It just made it so i actually started casting my spells a bit more to get the same AC
37:15 <Philderbeast> hmmmm i wonder if i should set up my cleric to wade in and take on people in the front line....
37:21 <Steven> but now i actually use the class feature.
37:30 <Steven> so im happy about that.
37:36 <Steven> the character is still broken as shit imo
40:03 <Philderbeast> hmmm should i +1 my cold iron scimitar....
40:33 <Steven> is there something else you wanna spend the money on?
40:55 <Philderbeast> i have no idea.
41:12 <Philderbeast> prehaps a belt or circlet.....
41:26 <Steven> link me the character
41:50 <Steven> also, thanks for not blabbing about my character yesterday.
42:27 <Philderbeast> thats cool. i honestly didnt even read all of your sheet to know how you did things
43:14 <Steven> boons... lots and lots of boons, im about to apply more to him as well.
43:19 <Philderbeast> nice
43:25 <Philderbeast> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B218aAbnJ24lTnJLY3dwcXFYN1k/edit?usp=sharing
43:39 <Steven> it is unlikely i'll ever get to play him again so i guess the boon is waste, but fuck it.
44:30 <Philderbeast> like i said i only read character seets if i have an issue with the character
45:40 <Philderbeast> did that link work?
45:49 <Steven> i wouldnt recommend you taking this character into melee
46:02 <Philderbeast> yea thats what i was thinking
46:42 <Steven> phylactery of positive channeling
46:50 <Philderbeast> im thinking about taking the +1 off her armour (its all gm credit)
46:59 <Steven> if you find yourself healing a lotl.
47:05 <Steven> well if its all gm credit...
47:17 <Steven> you can remake it completely then.
47:20 <Philderbeast> the last level or so is anyway
48:36 <Steven> here, let me go upload my cleric
48:41 <Philderbeast> if she was all gm credit whe wouldnt still be a cleric lol
49:38 <Mekkis> !item sorcerer's robe
49:43 <diebot> Mekkis, SORCERER'S ROBE [moderate evocation] CL:10 body 5000gp, 1lb
49:43 <diebot> This dapper robe enables a sorcerer to add the effects of her 1st-level bloodline power to spells she casts. As a swift action before casting a spell, the wearer expends one use of her 1st-level bloodline power and selects one target of the spell to be affected by that bloodline power. If the spell allows a saving throw, a successful save against
49:43 <diebot> the spell means the bloodline power deals half damage (if it normally deals hit point damage) or is negated (if it does not). The robe can be used up to three times per day. Source: Ultimate Equipment
50:10 <Mekkis> who comes up with this shit
50:56 <Mekkis> !item wyvern cloak
50:57 <diebot> Mekkis, WYVERN CLOAK [moderate transmutation] CL:7 shoulders 78600gp, 1lb
50:58 <diebot> This heavy cloak is made of blue scaled leather and has a pointed hem that hangs near the ground. The cloak provides the wearer a +4 resistance bonus on Will saves, a continuous feather fall effect (as the spell), and the ability to use fly once per day. At will as a swift action, the wearer can form the hem into a stinger, granting her a sting
50:58 <diebot> natural weapon. This sting deals 1d6 points of damage plus poison (as the spell; DC 16). Reverting the stinger to its normal, inconspicuous shape is a free action. Source: Ultimate Equipment
51:18 <Mekkis> 78k for that?
51:33 <Mekkis> !item raven bracers
51:34 <diebot> Mekkis, RAVEN BRACERS [moderate divination and transmutation] CL:9 hands 16600gp, 4lb
51:34 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/raven_bracers.html
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40:46 <Avatar> the wyvern cloak can do a lot and recharges each day
41:06 <Avatar> I had a look at pricing items, it gets expensive fast
41:45 <Mekkis> I know, but there's no way anyone would pay 78k for it
41:59 <Mekkis> which means it's not priced properly
42:31 <Avatar> just because nobody would buy it doesn't mean it's not priced properly
42:40 <Mekkis> actually, it does
42:51 <Avatar> maybe it's not built properly
45:04 <Mekkis> p549
45:09 <Mekkis> Many factors must be considered when determining the price
45:09 <Mekkis> of new magic items. The easiest way to come up with a price
45:09 <Mekkis> is to compare the new item to an item that is already priced,
45:09 <Mekkis> using that price as a guide.
46:24 <Avatar> irrelevant
46:44 <Mekkis> that's the first rule of pricing in the CRB
47:03 <Avatar> because it's "the easiest way"
47:08 <Avatar> the full rules are below that I imagine
47:26 <Mekkis> Otherwise, use the guidelines summarized on Table 15–29.
47:28 <Avatar> price it up that way and then see if it's wrong
48:11 <Mekkis> what do you mean 'wrong'
48:22 <Avatar> you said it's not priced properly
48:47 <Mekkis> if you follow the guidelines, you end up with a bunch of underpriced broken items, and a bunch of overpriced useless items
49:42 <Avatar> so basically you don't like the guidelines
49:59 <Mekkis> no, I'm stating that they're guidelines, nothing more
50:26 <Avatar> that you want to ignore
50:46 <Mekkis> not ignore, but definitely not take as gospel
56:00 <Mekkis>    You’ll notice, however, that not all the items presented here adhere
56:00 <Mekkis> to these formulas directly. The reasons for this are several. First and
56:00 <Mekkis> foremost, these few formulas aren’t enough to truly gauge the exact
56:00 <Mekkis> differences between, say, a ring of fire resistance and boots of speed—two
56:00 <Mekkis> very dissimilar items. Each of the magic items presented here was
56:00 <Mekkis> examined and modified based on its actual worth. The formulas only
56:00 <Mekkis> provide a starting point. 
57:53 <Steven> if you want some cool wings there are some clockwork ones.
58:47 <Mekkis> or would you seriously suggest that a ring of continuous shield should cost 4000gp
59:44 <Mekkis> !item Vambraces Of Defense
59:45 <diebot> Mekkis, VAMBRACES OF DEFENSE [faint abjuration] CL:5 wrists 6000gp, 3lb
59:45 <diebot> These polished steel vambraces grant a +1 deflection bonus to AC. Once per day, as an immediate action, if the wearer has at least one hand free, when he would normally be hit with an attack from a ranged weapon, he may deflect it with the bracers, taking no damage from it, as if he had the Deflect Arrows feat. Source: Ultimate Equipment
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21:18 <Mekkis> Steven, should I post http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/ws-2_taxform.pdf on the Paizo site in response to http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lfnv?Exciting-Holiday-tax-Forms
25:41 <Steven> do you think its a good idea to post a clearly falsified chronicle sheet after the recent hooplah about custom chronicle sheets?
26:01 <Mekkis> oh, definitely.
26:11 <Steven> then why are you asking me?
26:46 <Mekkis> to see if you had any insights
27:05 <Steven> ...
36:15 <Mekkis> evidently the Australian sense of humour is foreign to USAians
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17:30 <Damalon01> why does Augment Summoning require spell focus (Conjuration)?! Spell focus (Conjuration) is such a waste.
20:16 <Avatar> summoning is a conjuration specialty
20:22 <Avatar> all the summoning spells are conjuration spells
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58:47 <Philderbeast> how does it play out
06:14 <Steven> it acts as support and healing that likes to start combat by casting a spiritual weapon... or rather it did until it was clarified that it broke invisibility
06:53 <Steven> every time the weapon attacks.
08:33 <Philderbeast> you still find bless usefull at that level?
09:30 <Steven> oh yeah, love me some bless. pre combat its great.
10:01 <Steven> like before we crack open a door of a building throw up a bless.
10:33 <Philderbeast> yea i can see that being usefull and ihave 5 mins now so plenty of time to cast before combat
18:53 <Mekkis> can you hide in soft cover?
19:02 <Mekkis> !item metamagic rod, quicken lesser
19:04 <diebot> Mekkis, METAMAGIC GEM, QUICKENING DIAMOND [strong (no school)] CL:11 none 8000gp, 0lb
19:04 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/metamagic_gem,_quickening_diamond.html
20:33 <Bloodlust> 6th level witch spell?
21:21 <Mekkis> !item Quicken Metamagic Rod, Lesser
21:22 <diebot> Mekkis, QUICKEN METAMAGIC ROD, LESSER [strong (no school)] CL:17 none 35000gp, 5lb
21:23 <diebot> The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are quickened as though using the Quicken Spell feat. Source: Ultimate Equipment
21:26 <Mekkis> hmmm
21:43 <Mekkis> my sorcerer has just over 22000 gp
21:48 <Mekkis> anything I should look at
22:08 <Steven> no you cant stealth in soft cover unless you have hide in plain sight
23:39 <Bloodlust> any suggestions for 6th level witch spell?
24:02 <Mekkis> Raise Dead
24:07 <Mekkis> !item Catskin Leather
24:08 <diebot> Mekkis, CATSKIN LEATHER [strong transmutation] CL:13 armor 18910gp, 15lb
24:08 <diebot> Rather than the hide of a cat, this extremely supple suit of jet-black +1 shadow leather armor grants a portion of the grace and fortune of a feline. It has no armor check penalty or maximum Dexterity bonus. The wearer receives a +5 competence bonus on Acrobatics checks and takes only half normal damage from falling. When the wearer's hit points
24:08 <diebot> would be reduced to a negative amount equal to her Constitution score from an attack or spell, the armor falls to pieces and is destroyed, and the wearer takes only half damage from the attack or spell. Source: Ultimate Equipment
24:16 <Bloodlust> is that legal in PFS?
24:53 <Mekkis> what? raise dead
24:55 <Mekkis> of course
24:59 <Mekkis> so is catskin leather
25:05 <Mekkis> !item Howling Helm
25:05 <diebot> Mekkis, HOWLING HELM [faint conjuration] CL:5 head 22600gp, 2lb
25:06 <diebot> The wearer of this helm, crafted from a beast's skull, gains the ability to communicate with dogs, wolves, dire wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, and similar canine animals as the speak with animals spell. The wearer gains a +2 competence bonus on Diplomacy checks and Charisma checks to influence wolf-like magical beasts such as blink dogs, winter
25:06 <diebot> wolves, and worgs. On command three times per day, the wearer can unleash a terrifying howl. When he does so, he makes a single Intimidate check to demoralize all opponents within 30 feet that can hear the howl. At the start of the wearer's following turn, 1d3 wolves appear as if summoned by the spell summon nature's ally III. They act on the
25:06 <diebot> wearer's initiative and follow her instructions (or attacking her opponents, if she cannot communicate with them) for 5 rounds before vanishing in a swirl of pine needles and snow. Source: Ultimate Equipment
25:55 <Mekkis> !item Plague Mask
25:56 <diebot> Mekkis, PLAGUE MASK [faint necromancy] CL:5 head 27000gp, 2lb
25:56 <diebot> This stylized bird mask consists of a pair of goggles attached to a ceramic beak that covers the nose and mouth. The goggles are not magic and can be replaced with other goggles or eye slot items. It grants the wearer a +4 resistance bonus on saving throws against disease. Once per day on command, the user can remove disease (as the spell) on a
25:56 <diebot> single creature touched. Source: Ultimate Equipment
27:56 <Bloodlust> anyone want to play Drow of the Darklands Pyramid?
28:19 <Mekkis> Question: if you cast Magic Missile while under the effect of &blink, do you have a chance to lose the spell?
28:28 <diebot> BLINK transmutation ([]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 round/level Save:  SR:
28:28 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/blink.html
29:57 <Mekkis> Bloodlust, perhaps
30:00 <Mekkis> are you running it?
36:03 <Bloodlust> no, morten is
36:07 <Bloodlust> about 2.5 hours from now
36:26 <Mekkis> no way
36:37 <Bloodlust> needs more players
36:40 <Bloodlust> too late for you?
37:57 <Brunius|M> That's 2am in the eastern states
38:15 <Mekkis> yeah
38:26 <Mekkis> 1am here
40:06 <Avatar> any of you interested in garry's mod
40:31 <Avatar> or ever have been
41:47 <Bloodlust> bah, tis still early
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58:42 <Mekkis> not really, Avatar 
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17:42 <Steven> back
17:52 <Steven> im a fan of ice crystal teleport.
27:35 <Bloodlust> really?
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