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39:04 <Darkkapow> mekkis if i was to play an assassin in wotw would you allow ranged death attacks if i took the sniper archetype or rogue?
38:22 <Steven> if it was my game, i'd allow it at a penalty
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35:30 <Steven> buffing warpriest
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36:08 <Steven> gotta love those netsplits
36:34 <deeldose> do u wake up mega early every day
36:58 <Steven> i still havent gone to sleep yet!
37:34 <Steven> plus, im on the west coast of the US
37:39 <Steven> so its noon
38:11 <deeldose> ah k its like 6.37am here and already been awake too long =/
38:30 <Steven> yeah im about to take a nap
38:45 <deeldose> im jelly
38:53 <Steven> and then when i get up i gotta go help my dad chop some wood...
39:52 <Steven> which really i'll be chopping wood and he will stand around bitching about how when he was my age he could chop twice as much wood in half the time with one arm while having sex and driving a semi truck.
41:13 <Steven> which is odd cause he lived in southern California and they didnt have a fireplace.
41:40 <deeldose> lol
44:09 <deeldose> just chop as slow as u want and see what ur dad does
44:40 <Steven> why would i do that?  then i'd have to hear his bitching for longer.
47:59 <deeldose> maybe it could make him realise his bitchign has no effect or something i dunno heh
48:51 <Steven> optimist eh?
48:54 <Steven> lol
49:55 <deeldose> yeah tryna be lol
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55:03 <Mekkis> moin
15:29 <Steven> sup
24:20 <Steven> made a good character.
25:28 <Mekkis> I don't believe you
26:01 <Steven> good aligned i am.
27:11 <Avatar> more leeway to be evil
27:36 <Avatar> !item swarmbane clasp
27:36 <diebot> Avatar, SWARMBANE CLASP [moderate abjuration] CL:8 neck 3000gp, 0.5lb
27:37 <diebot> An ancient fossilized insect lies trapped within this ornate amber clasp, impaled by the long golden pin that fastens the wearer's cloak. The wearer's weapons, unarmed attacks, and natural attacks deal full damage to swarms, regardless of the swarm's immunity to weapon damage (if any, although damage reduction applies as normal). If the wearer is
27:37 <diebot> damaged by a swarm, she automatically succeeds on her saving throw against the swarm's distraction ability. Source: Ultimate Equipment
28:19 <Avatar> !spell versatile weapon
28:19 <diebot> Avatar, VERSATILE WEAPON transmutation ([]) bard 2, ranger 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one weapon or 50 projectiles, all of which must be together at the time of casting Comp: V, S, M (iron filings) Duration: 1 minute/level Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless,
28:19 <diebot> object)Source: APG
28:19 <diebot> You transform the physical makeup of a weapon as you desire. This spell functions like greater magic weapon, except that it subtly alters the physical properties of a weapon, enabling it to bypass damage reduction of one the following types: bludgeoning, cold iron, piercing, silver, or slashing. The affected weapon still inflicts damage of its
28:19 <diebot> normal type and its hardness and hit points are unchanged. This spell can be cast on a natural weapon or unarmed strike.
29:27 <Avatar> man I could use some more $$
29:39 <Avatar> retraining suxxx
29:45 <Steven> i bet.
29:51 <Steven> so glad i never had to do it.
29:56 <Avatar> but not really because my char would suck a hell of a lot more if I didn't do it
33:25 <Steven> my character is even silver crusade
34:20 <Avatar> therefore he can never go evil 
57:50 <Mekkis> he's not a good character, he's just a character with a goof alignment
59:18 <Avatar> ha
04:58 <Steven> hes also good.
06:04 <Avatar> that's what they all say. ha ha ha ha!
08:32 <Steven> it sure is.
08:54 <Steven> luckily i am a cheesy munchkin power gamer, so the character is actually good
10:52 <Avatar> that seems like a contradiction
11:14 <Avatar> unless you mean the character is actually "good". ha ha ha!
11:26 <Steven> totes
11:36 <Avatar> pretty sure I'm going to die today
11:46 <Avatar> going into a 7-11 with a character I'm not entirely sure how to use
11:47 <Steven> why, and how?
12:35 <Steven> i can give some advice if you need it.
13:35 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
13:49 <Avatar> check out the attacks and spells sections
13:55 <Steven> oh its your archaeologist 
14:01 <Avatar> yeah
14:18 <Avatar> how much does an heirloom weapon sell for
21:01 <Steven> is it too late for you to switch out Delusional Pride
23:23 <Steven> cause i would ditch that for Liberating Command to get out of them grapples that happen
23:47 <Avatar> way too late
23:54 <Avatar> that was like a first level choice
24:29 <Steven> when you get to 8th level
24:30 <Avatar> looks like I have a note there for page of spell knowledge, when I can afford the damn thing
24:31 <Steven> Upon reaching 5th level, and at every third bard level after that (8th, 11th, and so on), a bard can choose to learn a new spell in place of one he already knows
24:44 <Avatar> oh shit
25:09 <Avatar> I've played fortune's blight, I'm at 8.1 now
25:14 <Steven> also pick up Heroism
25:19 <Steven> it needs to be 8 bard levels
25:27 <Avatar> oh good point
25:33 <Avatar> after today then
25:47 <Avatar> good find
26:06 <Avatar> I can't believe I've never heard of that before
26:10 <Steven> do you have a familiar?
26:21 <Avatar> bards don't get familiars
26:37 <Steven> well soem of them do
26:53 <Avatar> archaeologists don't
28:09 <Steven> if you party with a wizard with a familiar that can use wands, you should purchase a wand of Moment of Greatness, and have that thing fly around and moment of greatness
28:21 <Steven> double moral bonus on a single roll, its pretty awesome.
28:26 <Avatar> !spell moment of greatness
28:27 <diebot> Avatar, MOMENT OF GREATNESS enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 1, cleric 1, sorcerer/wizard 1 1 standard action Range: 50 ft. The caster and allies within a 50-ft. burst centered on the caster Comp: V, S, M/DF (rabbit fur) Duration: 1 minute/level or until discharged Save: none SR:yes (harmless)Source: Ultimate Combat
28:27 <diebot> Each creature affected by this spell is given the potential for greater success and glory. If the affected creature is benefiting from a morale bonus of any type, it can double that morale bonus on one roll or check, before making the roll. Once an affected creature uses this spell's effect, the spell is discharged for that subject.
29:09 <Avatar> feels a bit weak
29:18 <Avatar> might be good on a wand, I guess
29:33 <Avatar> or for a familiar
29:40 <Steven> yeah, i'd never cast it as a player
29:48 <Steven> its shit, but on a familiar thats gonna be doing nothing
30:20 <Steven> have him just carry around a wand of it, not a bad combo for someone who can give himself a heroism
30:59 <Mekkis> problem with moment of greatness is that it's a lot of effort to explain how it works to the rest of the party
31:34 <Avatar> double any morale bonus for one roll
31:49 <Avatar> isn't that basically it
32:02 <Steven> yes so much effort... One time you can double the moral bonus for one d20 roll after which the spell ends.
32:52 <Avatar> ok I gotta run
33:00 <Steven> have fun!
33:07 <Avatar> gg
34:03 <Steven> ah you have good hope so you dont need heroism. didnt notice that.
34:09 <Steven> i mean heroism is still good.
39:40 <Darkkapow> wooooo!
40:36 <Darkkapow> running to shops quickly
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55:20 <Ulzef> moin
57:43 <Mekkis> moin
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59:40 <Brunius|M> Sorry running a little late 5-10 minutes maybe
00:04 <Mekkis> ok
00:17 <Mekkis> I'll release a new document for you guys
00:26 <Mekkis> How are things, Ulzef?
03:43 <Ulzef> good ya self
03:59 <Ulzef> oh and btw gratz
05:03 <Darkkapow> here just putting stuff in fridge etc
08:20 <Mekkis> thanks
08:23 <Mekkis> pretty good
08:36 <Darkkapow> gratz on what?
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10:47 <Spam> good day gents
10:56 <Ulzef> mek got his 4th star
10:58 <Darkkapow> green eggs and spam
11:07 <Darkkapow> ah i saw that last night :D
11:08 <Spam> gratz
11:15 <Mekkis> Thanks
11:17 <Darkkapow> means he can finally run day of the demon for me XP
11:41 <Mekkis> For those who are considering taking Leadership, here are some variant rules you might find interesting
11:43 <Darkkapow> I need to find 2 xp for peter before everwar mekkis :/
11:48 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Leadership-crop.pdf
12:23 <Mekkis> Peter's continuing his 'always play up' attitude?
13:37 <Darkkapow> where possible
13:53 <Darkkapow> he's played a game in tier now
14:04 <Darkkapow> but he continued it even in bonekeep so why not?
14:26 <Mekkis> a 7 at 10-11?
15:57 <Mekkis> Brunius will be here in '5-10 minutes maybe'
16:10 <Mekkis> I'll get a coffee and look at starting
16:23 <Darkkapow> well it's the only way i'll get to play all 4 mekkis :/
16:34 <Mekkis> true
16:53 <Mekkis> want me to run something for you before then?
16:58 <Darkkapow> and I think mekk most the party will be 8-9
17:19 <Mekkis> oh well. Deceased can carry
17:23 <Darkkapow> people up here don't have 10-11's other than david and i :/
17:52 <Darkkapow> and I'd love it
18:02 <Darkkapow> all the collective groups games are at 1am my mine
18:09 <Darkkapow> for tiers that peter is in
18:23 <Mekkis> collective groups?
18:46 <Mekkis> I have work. 1am seems dumb.
18:50 <Brunius>   
19:54 <Darkkapow> i know :/
20:03 <Brunius> My brother somehow broke the model M's spacebar
20:06 <Brunius> but it's fixed now
20:07 <Darkkapow> 1am is when all of the pathfinder collective games that I could play run
20:10 <Brunius> let's roll
20:15 <Darkkapow> because they are like US 9am
20:17 <Darkkapow> or 1pm
20:31 Darkkapow is now known as Raine
20:38 Brunius is now known as Nephem
23:37 <Raine> I like the look of these rules
23:40 <Raine> they are fun
24:09 <Mekkis> Ulzef, get on skype
24:34 Mekkis gives voice to Nephem Raine Spam Ulzef
29:36 <Nephem> "Ding." - Mekkis
40:35 <Spam> @see
40:50 Ulzef is now known as Lintor
41:01 <Nephem> /nick Niknik
41:27 Spam is now known as niknik
41:32 <niknik> @see
41:40 <Mekkis> ?!save
41:41 <diebot> Mekkis, Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative. Saved rolls can be viewed at http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/savedcommands.yaml.sorted 
41:44 niknik is now known as Niknik
41:56 <Niknik> @see
41:56 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=11] 26
43:43 <Niknik> @see
43:43 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=8] 23
44:20 <Niknik> @see
44:20 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=6] 21
45:43 <Niknik> @see
45:43 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=14] 29
49:51 <Niknik> @see
49:51 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=11] 26
51:37 <Niknik> @see
51:37 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=9] 24
54:23 <Niknik> @see
54:23 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=4] 19
55:05 <Niknik> @see
55:06 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=20] 35
55:55 <Niknik> @see
55:55 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=4] 19
56:37 <Niknik> @see
56:37 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=15] 30
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Laedrissia the Beautiful who believed she need not
00:34 <Mekkis> honor her promises to us.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Markhan the Golden, the draconic protector of Los-
00:34 <Mekkis> sewyn. He slept then and now he sleeps forever.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Kallister Feign, an illusionist too clever to keep his
00:34 <Mekkis> head.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Lazarus M. Who mourns for you now?”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “King Croc, 23 feet snout to tail, delicious on a spit”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Iris of Ghastenhall, dead from a broken heart and a
00:34 <Mekkis> poison dagger.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “The Great Serpent of Korokunga, slain for its venom”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Lord Jurys Hallifax called the Just hid in his castle and
00:34 <Mekkis> hope we had forgotten. We hadn’t.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Snorri Five-Axe died on a sixth.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “The ears of Lord Kelerrian. If only he had sense enough
00:34 <Mekkis> to listen.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Chief Gorgun Sakkathet, invincible in battle, careless
00:34 <Mekkis> in choosing his cup bearer.”
00:34 <Mekkis>     “Ergun Nigma, The third scion left in the House of the
00:34 <Mekkis> House Hyrhul, second greatest swordsman in the land, the
00:34 <Mekkis> first to die.”
03:29 <Niknik> @see
03:29 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=13] 28
04:00 <Niknik> @see
04:00 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=19] 34
04:48 <Niknik> @see
04:48 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=15] 30
06:32 <Niknik> @see
06:33 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=11] 26
08:18 <Niknik> @see
08:18 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=2] 17
10:27 <Niknik> @see
10:28 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=3] 18
10:47 <Niknik> @see
10:48 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=20] 35
11:33 <Niknik> @see
11:34 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=2] 17
12:02 <Niknik> @see
12:03 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=2] 17
12:25 <Niknik> @see
12:25 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=7] 22
13:54 <Niknik> @see
13:54 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=10] 25
14:58 <Niknik> @see
14:58 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=20] 35
16:25 <Niknik> !throw will 1d20+10
16:43 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+10 will
16:43 <diebot> Niknik, will: [1d20=7] 17
17:58 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+11 spellcraft
17:58 <diebot> Niknik, spellcraft: [1d20=12] 23
19:02 <Niknik> @see
19:02 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=18] 33
19:40 <Mekkis> 1-7 coin purse
20:47 <Niknik> @see
20:48 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=18] 33
22:11 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+2 Str
22:12 <diebot> Niknik, Str: [1d20=11] 13
22:44 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+3 Str
22:44 <diebot> Niknik, Str: [1d20=11] 14
25:26 <Mekkis> !throw 1d100
25:27 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d100: [1d100=68] 68
26:05 <Mekkis> !throw 1d100
26:06 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d100: [1d100=43] 43
26:36 <Mekkis> !throw 1d100
26:36 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d100: [1d100=5] 5
26:45 <Niknik> @see
26:46 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=18] 33
29:25 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+11 spellcraft
29:26 <diebot> Niknik, spellcraft: [1d20=2] 13
29:49 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+10
29:49 <diebot> Nephem, 1d20+10: [1d20=12] 22
30:00 <Nephem> !item Elixir of Truth
30:00 <diebot> Nephem, ELIXIR OF TRUTH [faint enchantment] CL:5 none 500gp, 0lb
30:00 <diebot> This elixir forces the drinker to say nothing but the truth for 10 minutes (Will DC 13 negates). She must answer any questions put to her in that time, but with each question she can make a separate DC 13 Will save. If one of these secondary saves is successful, she doesn't break free of the truth-compelling enchantment but also doesn't have to
30:00 <diebot> answer that particular question (if she does answer, she must tell the truth). No more than one question can be asked each round. This is a mind-affecting compulsion enchantment. Source: Ultimate Equipment
31:10 <Raine> !throw 1d20+14 arcana
31:11 <diebot> Raine, arcana: [1d20=6] 20
31:59 <Raine> !throw 1d20+19 craft alch
31:59 <diebot> Raine, craft alch: [1d20=18] 37
34:03 <Raine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVTfszppJl8
34:09 <diebot> Raine, MINI MINOTAUR SONG (feat. Tobuscus & Tim Tim)
34:23 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/golem-crop.pdf
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40:43 <Mekkis> 1. The Eye – Its single glass lens has been shattered.
40:43 <Mekkis> 2. The Brain – A new human, dwarven, elven, half-orc or half-elven brain is required. No
40:43 <Mekkis> 3. The Heart Cog – The mithral heart cog was stolen long ago, likely by one of the Vic-
40:43 <Mekkis>    tor’s retainers. Without this critical component, the golem will not activate.
40:43 <Mekkis> 4. The Reservoir – A new glass reservoir where the four primal reagents can
40:43 <Mekkis>    mingle and power the golem. The glass reservoir was smashed during the battle and now the pieces are missing so make whole is of no help.
40:43 <Mekkis>    However, there is a spare reservoir amongst the smashed remains of the alchemist’s gear.
40:43 <Mekkis> 5. The Reagent of Fire – The golem needs ten doses of alchemist’s fire.
40:43 <Mekkis> 6. The Reagent of Ice – The golenm needs ten doses of alchemist’s ice (sometimes also called liquid
40:43 <Mekkis>    ice).
40:43 <Mekkis> 7. The Reagent of Acid – The golem needs ten doses of a potent acid.
40:43 <Mekkis> 8. The Reagent of Electricity – The golem needs a large supply of lightning elemental blood.
43:17 * Raine sets to work crafting alchemists fire and liquid ice
47:33 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+17 kn rig
47:33 <diebot> Lintor, kn rig: [1d20=12] 29
48:21 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+3 str
48:21 <diebot> Lintor, str: [1d20=16] 19
50:00 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+15 kn arc
50:01 <diebot> Lintor, kn arc: [1d20=10] 25
50:41 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+2 knw Arcane
50:41 <diebot> Niknik, knw Arcane: [1d20=18] 20
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51:54 <Acentes> evening
54:12 <Mekkis> "Yah" in Abyssal
55:28 <Niknik> @see
55:28 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=13] 28
00:32 <Raine> Lintor, Nephen how does one bleed an elemental?
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10:17 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+10 will
10:18 <diebot> Niknik, will: [1d20=16] 26
14:38 <Niknik> @see
14:38 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=1] 16
14:39 <Raine> !throw 1d20+11
14:40 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+11: [1d20=1] 12
15:10 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+4 per
15:10 <diebot> Lintor, per: [1d20=8] 12
16:13 <Raine> !throw 1d20+4 init
16:13 <diebot> Raine, init: [1d20=20] 24
16:34 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+4 Init
16:34 <Mekkis> !throw 3#1d20+7;1d20+8
16:34 <diebot> Niknik, Init: [1d20=7] 11
16:35 <diebot> Mekkis, 3#1d20+7: [1d20=17] 24, [1d20=19] 26, [1d20=1] 8; 1d20+8: [1d20=9] 17
16:46 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+5 init
16:46 <diebot> Lintor, init: [1d20=12] 17
17:05 <Acentes> did I miss something?
17:12 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+5
17:13 <diebot> Nephem, 1d20+5: [1d20=19] 24
17:52 <Raine> !throw 1d20+14 arcana?
17:53 <diebot> Raine, arcana?: [1d20=11] 25
18:33 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
18:33 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=9] 15
18:49 <Mekkis> !throw 1d6; 1d6 con drain
18:50 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d6: [1d6=4] 4; con drain: [1d6=3] 3
19:01 <Raine> 5 con
19:12 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
19:13 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=14] 20
19:14 <Mekkis> !throw 1d6; 1d6 con drain
19:15 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d6: [1d6=6] 6; con drain: [1d6=1] 1
19:23 <Raine> 28/32
19:40 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+12 KnReligion
19:40 <diebot> Nephem, KnReligion: [1d20=7] 19
20:34 <Raine> !throw 1d20+4
20:35 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+4: [1d20=9] 13
20:52 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+8 fort
20:52 <diebot> Niknik, fort: [1d20=9] 17
22:41 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+7 RnTouch
22:41 <diebot> Nephem, RnTouch: [1d20=14] 21
22:56 <Nephem> !throw 6d6
22:57 <diebot> Nephem, 6d6: [6d6=4,5,6,2,5,2] 24
23:18 <Nephem> !throw 6d8
23:18 <diebot> Nephem, 6d8: [6d8=2,6,8,7,2,1] 26
25:17 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
25:17 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=17] 23
25:29 <Raine> !throw 1d20+3
25:29 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+3: [1d20=13] 16
25:48 <Mekkis> !throw 1d6
25:48 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d6: [1d6=6] 6
26:06 <Raine> 22/32
26:53 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+6 melee
26:53 <diebot> Lintor, melee: [1d20=20] 26
27:17 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+8
27:18 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+8: [1d8=1] 9
27:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
27:53 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=20] 26
27:58 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
27:58 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=7] 13
30:05 <Lintor> !throw 1d20 fort
30:05 <diebot> Lintor, fort: [1d20=20] 20
30:10 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6
30:11 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6: [2d6=1,5] 6
30:33 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
30:34 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=8] 14
30:59 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+8 fort
30:59 <diebot> Niknik, fort: [1d20=17] 25
31:01 <Mekkis> !throw 1d6
31:02 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d6: [1d6=4] 4
32:26 <Nephem> !H!I,7/8
33:02 <Mekkis> !throw 2#1d20+4
33:04 <diebot> Mekkis, 2#1d20+4: [1d20=9] 13, [1d20=16] 20
33:17 <Nephem> !throw 6d6
33:17 <diebot> Nephem, 6d6: [6d6=1,4,5,5,4,6] 25
33:51 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
33:52 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=13] 18
34:19 <Raine> !throw 1d20+10 vs touch
34:20 <diebot> Raine, vs touch: [1d20=7] 17
34:39 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+4
34:39 <Raine> !throw 1d8
34:40 <diebot> Raine, 1d8: [1d8=7] 7
34:40 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+4: [1d20=1] 5
34:56 <Mekkis> !scatter o5
35:11 <Mekkis> !splash o5
35:15 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
35:16 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=16] 21
35:49 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+6 melee
35:50 <diebot> Lintor, melee: [1d20=19] 25
35:54 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+8
35:54 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+8: [1d8=5] 13
36:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6
36:54 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+6: [1d20=3] 9
37:47 <Mekkis> !throw 2#1d20+4
37:47 <diebot> Mekkis, 2#1d20+4: [1d20=9] 13, [1d20=10] 14
37:49 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
37:50 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=13] 18
37:51 <Nephem> !throw 6d6
37:51 <diebot> Nephem, 6d6: [6d6=6,6,1,2,6,2] 23
38:01 <Nephem> !throw 2d6
38:02 <diebot> Nephem, 2d6: [2d6=2,4] 6
38:52 <Raine> !throw 1d20+10 vs touch
38:53 <diebot> Raine, vs touch: [1d20=14] 24
39:13 <Raine> !throw 3d6+6
39:14 <diebot> Raine, 3d6+6: [3d6=4,3,2] 15
42:00 <Mekkis> "You have already destroyed one of my children. What brings you here, into my sanctuary?
43:07 <Mekkis> "What are you doing, forcing your way upon high-priest Ezra?"
45:15 <Raine> "As an oath of blood."
45:21 * Raine cuts her hand and bleeds over the floor
53:07 <Raine> !throw 1d20+11 percep
53:07 <diebot> Raine, percep: [1d20=17] 28
53:07 <Niknik> @see
53:07 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=15] 30
53:49 <Mekkis> "Aticus"
53:54 <Mekkis> "Andain"
54:52 <Mekkis> "Vexorandian" "Hexoraticus"
56:28 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+16 wtf
56:28 <diebot> Lintor, wtf: [1d20=16] 32
56:36 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+11 spellcrft
56:36 <diebot> Niknik, spellcrft: [1d20=16] 27
58:00 <Raine> !throw 1d20+22
58:00 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+22: [1d20=6] 28
59:26 <Raine> !throw 1d20+21
59:26 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+21: [1d20=17] 38
01:48 <Mekkis> belt of giant strength, ring of mind shielding, lens of detection, rod of elemental metamagic [acid], lesser.
02:43 <Mekkis> 1 ton of silverware, 600lb of gold, six chests (600lb total) full of coinage
02:59 <Mekkis> 12 potions of cure moderate
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10:40 <Raine> 40,000gp
10:52 <Raine> 45,500gp
13:59 <Raine> !throw 1d20+2
14:00 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+2: [1d20=19] 21
14:06 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+4
14:06 <diebot> Nephem, 1d20+4: [1d20=8] 12
14:12 <Lintor> !throw 1d20 wis
14:13 <diebot> Lintor, wis: [1d20=15] 15
14:27 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+4 wis
14:28 <diebot> Niknik, wis: [1d20=3] 7
16:03 <Raine> !throw 1d20+21
16:03 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+21: [1d20=2] 23
16:05 <Raine> !throw 1d20+21
16:05 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+21: [1d20=13] 34
17:28 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+11 spellcrft
17:28 <diebot> Niknik, spellcrft: [1d20=18] 29
19:14 <Niknik> @see
19:14 <diebot> Niknik, Perception: [1d20=3] 18
29:56 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+5
29:56 <diebot> Lintor, 1d20+5: [1d20=2] 7
29:59 <Raine> !throw 1d20+4
29:59 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+4: [1d20=14] 18
30:46 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+5 Init
30:47 <diebot> Niknik, Init: [1d20=19] 24
30:59 <Nephem> !spell 1d20+5 init
30:59 <diebot> Nephem, DAYLIGHT evocation ([light]) bard 3, cleric 3, druid 3, paladin 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, inquisitor 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: touch object touched Comp: V, S Duration: 10 min./level Save: none SR:noSource: PFRPG Core
31:00 <diebot> You touch an object when you cast this spell, causing the object to shed bright light in a 60-foot radius. This illumination increases the light level for an additional 60 feet by one step (darkness becomes dim light, dim light becomes normal light, and normal light becomes bright light). Creatures that take penalties in bright light take them
31:00 <diebot> while within the 60-foot radius of this magical light. Despite its name, this spell is not the equivalent of daylight for the purposes of creatures that are damaged or destroyed by such light. If daylight is cast on a small object that is then placed inside or under a light-proof covering, the spell's effects are blocked until the covering is
31:00 <diebot> removed. Daylight brought into an area of magical darkness (or vice versa) is temporarily negated, so that the otherwise prevailing light conditions exist in the overlapping areas of effect. Daylight counters or dispels any darkness spell of equal or lower level, such as darkness.
31:03 <Nephem> uh
31:08 <Nephem> that's not how you roll init
31:12 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+5 init
31:12 <diebot> Nephem, init: [1d20=13] 18
31:32 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+12
31:33 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+12: [1d20=7] 19
33:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+15
33:53 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+15: [1d20=3] 18
34:19 <Niknik> !throw 3d6
34:20 <diebot> Niknik, 3d6: [3d6=1,4,3] 8
34:32 <Niknik> !throw 1d6
34:32 <diebot> Niknik, 1d6: [1d6=2] 2
35:10 <Mekkis> !throw 2#1d20+16
35:11 <diebot> Mekkis, 2#1d20+16: [1d20=2] 18, [1d20=14] 30
35:42 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6+5+1d8
35:42 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6+5+1d8: [2d6=6,2; 1d8=3] 16
35:44 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6+5+1d8
35:45 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6+5+1d8: [2d6=1,4; 1d8=2] 12
36:19 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+7
36:19 <diebot> Nephem, 1d20+7: [1d20=5] 12
36:30 <Raine> AC 25 atm for raine
37:18 <Raine> !throw 1d20+11
37:19 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+11: [1d20=2] 13
38:15 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
38:16 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=1] 19
38:26 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+6 melee
38:27 <diebot> Lintor, melee: [1d20=16] 22
38:38 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+10
38:38 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+10: [1d8=1] 11
40:10 <Niknik> !throw 1d20
40:11 <diebot> Niknik, 1d20: [1d20=19] 19
40:34 <Niknik> !throw 1d6+2
40:34 <diebot> Niknik, 1d6+2: [1d6=4] 6
41:03 <Mekkis> !rng lintor Nephem 
41:04 <diebot> Mekkis, lintor
41:07 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
41:08 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=14] 32
41:30 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6+5;
41:31 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6+5: [2d6=3,5] 13
41:37 <Mekkis> !rng lintor Nephem 
41:37 <diebot> Mekkis, lintor
41:39 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
41:40 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=10] 28
41:45 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6+5
41:45 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6+5: [2d6=2,5] 12
42:11 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+7
42:11 <diebot> Nephem, 1d20+7: [1d20=10] 17
42:22 <Nephem> !throw 1d6+5
42:22 <diebot> Nephem, 1d6+5: [1d6=6] 11
42:45 <Nephem> !throw 1d20+12 KnPlanes
42:46 <diebot> Nephem, KnPlanes: [1d20=16] 28
43:50 <Raine> !throw 1d20+11
43:51 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+11: [1d20=15] 26
44:30 <Raine> !throw 1d8+3+3d6+7+1+2
44:30 <diebot> Raine, 1d8+3+3d6+7+1+2: [1d8=8; 3d6=4,6,5] 36
45:05 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+6 melee
45:05 <diebot> Lintor, melee: [1d20=16] 22
45:11 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+11
45:11 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+11: [1d8=8] 19
45:54 <Niknik> !throw 1d20+9
45:54 <diebot> Niknik, 1d20+9: [1d20=3] 12
46:06 <Mekkis> !rng lintor Nephem 
46:06 <diebot> Mekkis, Nephem
46:09 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
46:09 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=19] 37
46:21 <Mekkis> !throw 2d6+5+1d8
46:22 <diebot> Mekkis, 2d6+5+1d8: [2d6=2,5; 1d8=6] 18
46:38 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
46:39 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=20] 38
46:41 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+18
46:42 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+18: [1d20=17] 35
46:52 <Mekkis> !throw 4d6+5
46:53 <diebot> Mekkis, 4d6+5: [4d6=4,5,1,2] 17
48:21 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
48:22 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=18] 23
48:32 <Nephem> !throw 3d6
48:33 <diebot> Nephem, 3d6: [3d6=4,3,5] 12
49:01 <Raine> !throw 1d20+11
49:02 <diebot> Raine, 1d20+11: [1d20=4] 15
49:34 <Lintor> !throw 1d20+6 melee
49:34 <diebot> Lintor, melee: [1d20=20] 26
49:40 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+11
49:40 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+11: [1d8=8] 19
50:43 <Lintor> !throw 1d8+5
50:44 <diebot> Lintor, 1d8+5: [1d8=3] 8
51:48 <Nephem> !throw 2d8+6
51:48 <diebot> Nephem, 2d8+6: [2d8=2,6] 14
56:48 <Mekkis> 4300 XP each
57:59 <Raine> !throw 1d8 be good
58:00 <diebot> Raine, be good: [1d8=2] 2
58:08 <Nephem> !throw 1d8+1
58:09 <diebot> Nephem, 1d8+1: [1d8=8] 9
58:29 <Niknik> !throw 6d8
58:30 <diebot> Niknik, 6d8: [6d8=8,8,4,8,7,3] 38
58:32 <Nephem> I'll chuck my favored class on there as well
03:49 <Mekkis> !spell blessing of fervor
03:50 <diebot> Mekkis, BLESSING OF FERVOR transmutation ([]) cleric 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
03:50 <diebot> With this blessing, you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies can choose one of the following bonuses for that round at the beginning of its turn (their choice). • Increase its speed by 30 feet. • Stand up as a swift action without
03:50 <diebot> provoking an attack of opportunity. • Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus. • Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. • Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell. These effects are not
03:50 <diebot> cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste.
20:00 <Nephem> maybe
20:01 <Nephem> yeah
20:07 <Nephem> starts there at least
22:03 <Raine> so come up with a list of wonderous items we need to craft
28:22 <Mekkis> Avatar, schedule WotW for 11am Saturday 11 January
32:16 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/20131215_0425_usa-M5_Stuart_14_siegfried_line.wotreplay
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39:07 <Darkkapow> I need to make an Embalming Golem XP
39:13 <Darkkapow> negative energy bombs!
39:22 <Darkkapow> throw them at melee heal and kill :D
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46:25 <Darkkapow> can everyone have a list of what we want to buy and do prior to next session
46:31 <Darkkapow> so we can get it out the way quickly?
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19:24 <Drongo> Hi
20:17 <Drongo> any lurkers?
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38:51 <Damalon01> morning guys
40:14 <Mekkis> moin moin
40:44 <Damalon01> hows it going?
40:56 <Mekkis> alright. WotW went well
41:41 <Damalon01> hehehe i bet WotW is fun
42:15 <Mekkis> reading it over makes me wish I was playing it :S
42:25 <Mekkis> I don't play enough Pathfinder these days
43:27 <Brunius> Avatar, are you around?
45:03 <Mekkis> Brunius, what did you think of that footage of the Stuart?
46:15 <Brunius> ??
46:38 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/20131215_0425_usa-M5_Stuart_14_siegfried_line.wotreplay
47:31 <Darkkapow> avatar
47:39 <Darkkapow> no link on the melbournepfs page to the warhorn
47:44 <Darkkapow> can you link it do me?
51:30 <Mekkis> https://warhorn.net/melbourne-pfs/
51:45 <Mekkis> https://warhorn.net/events/melbourne-pfs even
52:23 <Brunius> SATA is hotswap, right?
52:32 <Mekkis> Sometimes
52:36 <Mekkis> eSATA is hotswap
52:40 <Mekkis> SATA generally isn't
53:13 <Mekkis> I'm practising driving like a maniac in a french tank
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53:48 <Steven> embracing the french way of driving eh?
54:07 <Mekkis> Brunius, did you just attempt to hotswap your SATA drive?
54:14 <Mekkis> yes elc amx
55:47 <Mekkis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U
56:14 <Mekkis> such charisma
00:22 <Steven> i like his attitude.
00:56 <Mekkis> agreed
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02:56 <Mekkis> Brunius, Tanks?
03:32 <Steven> watchin diehard
30:14 <Mekkis> .
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09:13 <Bloodlust> yo
09:39 <Steven> sup
09:47 <Bloodlust> damn hot
10:14 <Mekkis> heh
10:41 <Bloodlust> Has anyone here not yet played Ruby Phoenix?
10:59 <Mekkis> yes
11:46 <Bloodlust> I've got a character that's getting up that way and I'd like to finish them off with Ruby Phoenix before Eyes of the Ten.
14:00 <Bloodlust> Anyone else in a similar boat?  I know that Avatar was looking to run it at one point.
14:49 <Damalon01> whwat levewl is it for?
15:13 <Brunius> It's a level 11 module
15:44 <Bloodlust> yup
16:07 <Damalon01> urm nope cant do it
16:24 <Brunius> Avatar, Spaceshot, and I played it with level 3-4 characters before they banned that
16:36 <Brunius> I think Ulzef might have done a similiar thing
16:46 <Brunius> But now you need to be 10, 11, or 12 to play it
17:04 <Damalon01> i cant seem to get above level 7
18:28 <Steven> played it with ausk
18:40 <Steven> drank some monks under the table in a beautiful piece of rollplaying
20:53 <CWheezy> I have a ten
21:27 <Mekkis> 10 is probably the best level for it
27:57 <Mekkis> Brunius, tanks?
29:41 <Bloodlust> I was looking to do it as level 11
30:05 <Bloodlust> to finish off the set
30:22 <Bloodlust> My witch is one game (tomorrow night) off level 10 now.
30:25 <Mekkis> 'the set'?
30:33 <Bloodlust> yes, 1-11
30:53 <Mekkis> I'd rather play my level 11 character in actual scenarios
31:02 <Mekkis> rather than a rather uninspiring mod
31:18 <Bloodlust> I had heard it was a good one
31:49 <Bloodlust> What is your 10 CWheezy?
32:01 <Mekkis> it's not the best mod I have played, and was rather underwhelming
33:40 <CWheezy> a summoner
33:59 <CWheezy> gnome summoner
34:22 <Mekkis> but I feel that I shouldn't GM as much, without playing a game or two
34:38 <CWheezy> playing is fun too
36:15 <Mekkis> I feel I'm losing perspective
39:10 <Mekkis> either that, or the last game I GMed was just horrible
39:34 <Brunius> I don't feel like that was unreasonable
39:40 <Mekkis> what?
39:51 <Brunius> summoners and whatnot
40:15 <Mekkis> what are you referring to?
41:04 * Mekkis to see if there's anything he's /ignored
41:15 <Brunius> <Mekkis> the player of the summoner was claiming that 'summoners weren't common', so the NPCs wouldn't know to target him
41:23 <Brunius> and associated
41:49 <Brunius> Of course I've only got your side, but I would expect NPCs to have the same level of intelligence that PCs do
42:17 <CWheezy> summoners are explicitly not coomon
42:33 <Mekkis> I wonder how much intel the Aspis Consortium has
42:43 <Mekkis> CWheezy, citation?
42:47 <CWheezy> unfortunately there is no check to find out what class a person is
44:36 <CWheezy> I wish I could remember where I read it
44:37 <Mekkis> where does it say that summoners are explicitly not common
44:42 <CWheezy> my google gu is failing so far
45:43 <CWheezy> it might not be ogl information
47:19 <CWheezy> similar to how aasimar are more common in tian xia
50:53 <Mekkis> Ah. Jacobs said so. In 2012
52:13 <Mekkis> excuse me while I ignore him
52:33 <CWheezy> he is the lore guy for golarion
52:48 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure he doesn't know the implications of that statement taken at face value
53:08 <CWheezy> ???
53:22 <CWheezy> I am not sure what they would be
53:30 <CWheezy> I mean, gunslingers are rare too
53:54 <Brunius> It doesn't take a genius to work out that loud things that go boom are bad for your health
54:12 <Brunius> Especially after your friend drops after one or two of those loud things
54:17 <Mekkis> ?firearm
54:18 <diebot> Mekkis, Of all the forms of technology [...] from the lands of the Inner Sea, none are as universally misunderstood or despised as the firearm. [...] The appearance of a firearm suggests at once an outrageous expenditure of gold, a sorrowful impotence of limb, and an immediate threat of dishonorable violence.
54:55 <Mekkis> from ISWG
55:10 <CWheezy> ok?
55:19 <CWheezy> they still only come from alkenstar
55:25 <CWheezy> who controls guns released heavily
55:42 <Mekkis> AKA. People know what guns are
55:46 <Mekkis> They know they're bad
55:55 <CWheezy> aka universally misunderstood lol
56:00 <Mekkis> and they know that it's in everyone's interest to sunder the fucker
56:13 <CWheezy> they don't, soz :/
56:25 <Damalon01> LOL youre a gunslinger hater right Mekkis?
56:40 <Mekkis> maybe the sundering is a little over the top
57:40 <Damalon01> Ya think?
57:57 <Mekkis> but it'd definitely be on the table
58:06 <Mekkis> especially if they've heard it go off in the past
58:17 <Mekkis> disarm or sunder, really
58:26 <CWheezy> do you disarm archers and sunder archers
58:32 <Damalon01> sundering any weapon is an option really
58:39 <Mekkis> I have
58:42 <CWheezy> do you sunder fighters with hafted weapons
59:48 <Mekkis> as a GM, I don't write off the option of using any combat manoeuvre
00:16 <Mekkis> I have conducted an eight-person grapple...
01:08 <Damalon01> hehehe i remember a certain player i used to game with that would whinge anytime someone used Sunder. Hed say youre destroying the treasure.
02:27 <Damalon01> eight person grapple is pretty impressive.
03:17 <Mekkis> it's more impressive when I add that this was under 3.5e rules
03:31 <Brunius> hah
03:45 <Damalon01> hehehe 3.5 sucked
03:52 <Damalon01> :P
03:56 <Mekkis> I disagree that it sucked
03:58 <Steven> yeah 3.5 grapple was painful
04:52 <Damalon01> lots of people disagree that 3.5 sucked but it did/does. at least in my opinion. so prone to abuse...
05:19 <Mekkis> If an eidolon with an AC of 38 is tearing apart my companions, ridden by a gnome, I'm not going to take 'you don't know what a summoner is: you don't have ranks in Knowledge (planes)', as a reason not to target the gnome over the eidolon I can't hit
05:41 <Damalon01> if only combats in 4th ed didnt take so long... id still be playing it/gming it
05:58 <Mekkis> length of combat wasn't the only issue I had with 4e
06:32 <Damalon01> it was the only issue for me
06:36 <Damalon01> i loved 4th ed
06:37 <Steven> not my only complain either
06:46 <Damalon01> it was fair
06:54 <Mekkis> I know it was fair
07:19 <Mekkis> it was so fair the only difference between a wizard, a cleric, and a fighter was the words used to describe what they did
07:41 <Damalon01> well thats the thing... 3.0/3.5 wasnt. it was unbalanced.
07:54 <Mekkis> Pathfinder is unbalanced
08:07 <Mekkis> if 'balanced' is 4e, give me unbalanced everyday
08:07 <Steven> its what i love about it.
08:20 <Damalon01> the words you use to describe what you do are more important to me than the game effects of it
08:43 <Damalon01> i seriously dislike the unbalanced nature of Pathfinder
09:04 <Damalon01> its what makes me wonder why i play it
09:19 <Mekkis> I just dislike the people who abuse that. 
09:49 <Steven> OH OH OH He is talkin bout me.
10:10 <Damalon01> ive been reading 13th Age. I think it might be 4th ed with the fixes ive been looking for.
10:15 * Steven feels warm and fuzzy inside.
11:14 <Damalon01> heh in my mind both Players and GMs are equally responsible for abusing the system in 3.0/3.5/Pathfinder.
11:58 <Mekkis> how are GMs responsible for abusing the system?
12:21 <Mekkis> the GM might be responsible for the system being abused, sure...
12:33 <Mekkis> but the duty of the GM is to keep things balanced
12:46 <Damalon01> they allow players to play the unbalanced characters, they build encounters that enable, Nay require the abuse...
12:55 <Mekkis> depends on the GM
13:07 <Damalon01> they are equally responsible
13:17 <Mekkis> they're not abusing the system
13:30 <Damalon01> sure looks like it too me
13:33 <Mekkis> yeah
13:42 <Mekkis> the police are responsible for people who speed
13:53 <Mekkis> because they're not on every corner with RADARs
13:57 <CWheezy> duty of the gm to keep things balanced is false 
13:58 <CWheezy> imo
14:03 <CWheezy> duty of the game designer
14:42 <Damalon01> game designers are GMs. as for GMs on a local level, they have a uty to screen out the bad scenarios.
15:00 <CWheezy> they are not game designers unless they are actually doing that
15:05 <CWheezy> they are playing just like the players are
15:24 <Damalon01> in a wway yes
15:27 <Mekkis> Damalon01, don't take PFS and run it blanket over all of Pathfinder, then extend it to 3.5 and 3.0
15:38 <Damalon01> but the GM has greater control than the players
15:40 <Bloodlust> Some scenarios got wasted - back in season 0
15:42 <Mekkis> the PFS GM is Brock.
15:53 <CWheezy> the gm actually only sort of does
15:58 <CWheezy> he can't control what the players do
16:09 <CWheezy> anyway that is still not game design
16:21 <Damalon01> lol i said greater control, not total control
16:36 <CWheezy> that kind of attitude I think is actually why pathfinder is one of the most unbalanced games I have ever played lol
16:40 <Bloodlust> I'm not usre why those scenarios got wasted - just that they are missing off the list now
16:46 <CWheezy> one of the reasons why
16:56 <Mekkis> CWheezy, what do you mean? I didn't allow a certain character to take a certain (rules-permitted) familiar today
17:04 <Mekkis> because it was unbalanced
17:20 <CWheezy> every balance thread or discussion has so much "hoop a doop use rule 0", which seems like a cruthc
17:28 <Bloodlust> I love my new Imp - I called him Tyrion :)
18:03 <CWheezy> I mean what the players actually do
18:04 <Mekkis> it wasn't an imp
18:10 <CWheezy> not what they pick or whatever
18:49 <Steven> I made a player roleplay out a summoning ritual for an imp familiar.
19:01 <Steven> he sacrificed several cute cuddly kittens
19:01 <Mekkis> The big strength of Pathfinder, and 3.5, is that they are rules heavy systems with great flexibility.
19:08 <Steven> the two girls at the table were like WTF!
19:30 <Damalon01> heheheh hardcore Steven! :)
19:43 <CWheezy> ok? I am not sure how that relates to balance 
20:13 <Mekkis> With all the flexibility, there is going to be some unbalanced things.
20:17 <Bloodlust> Did these two girls have a cup?
20:21 <Damalon01> Actually Mekkis Pathfinder only appears to be flexible. Its actually very structured and thus restrictive.
20:22 <CWheezy> ok great
20:24 <Bloodlust> If so the rest of you should have been going WTF
20:28 <Steven> no bloodlust..... just no
20:50 <CWheezy> so are you saying you shouldn't try at all because there will always be unbalanced options?
21:10 <Bloodlust> I still need a character concept to use this Ifrit boon on.
21:19 <Steven> Pathfinder is actually fairly balanced by what the GMs allow
21:22 <CWheezy> that is what is known as nirvana fallacy
21:38 <CWheezy> I actually have never seen that to be true ever! So oh well
21:50 <CWheezy> unless you mean something different from balance than what I am talking about
21:56 <Steven> paizo puts out content for people to use if the GM allows it.
22:11 <Steven> If as a GM you dont want summoners in your game you disallow summoners
22:20 <Bloodlust> But then PFS tells us what amongst all that we can actually use
22:22 <CWheezy> right and that leaves you with the most broken classes
22:34 <Steven> or dont like Piranha strike, well nobody can use it.
22:38 <CWheezy> summoners are a great tier 2 class
23:08 <Damalon01> Tier 2 class? oh no...
23:18 <Steven> Paizo is not trying to balance things for home campaigns because that is very much the job of the GM
23:29 <Mekkis> it's trying
23:32 <CWheezy> you can stop at "paizo is not trying to balance things"
23:47 <Brunius> oh no
23:51 <Brunius> not your tiering system again
23:55 <Bloodlust> Paizo isn't about balance - PFS is
24:00 <CWheezy> "my" system
24:03 <Mekkis> Paizo isn't taking 'balance' as the top priority
24:42 <CWheezy> so then you agree it is brutally unbalnaced or what
24:47 <CWheezy> are you just fine with it?
25:05 <CWheezy> I mean it is obvious that is not what they think about
25:21 <Mekkis> how do you mean
25:45 <CWheezy> do you care at all?
26:02 <CWheezy> that pathfinder, even core only (especially actually) is really really bad balance wise
26:08 <CWheezy> I personally care
26:13 <Mekkis> I do care
26:15 <CWheezy> you are allowed not to
26:20 <Damalon01> so do I
26:26 <Mekkis> but I don't think it's PARAMOUNT
27:02 <CWheezy> I don't either actually
27:16 <CWheezy> I think some things probably are though
27:16 <Mekkis> and I think that it is, largely, balanced
27:31 <CWheezy> that is like, objectively false
27:47 <CWheezy> it might not be though, because I don't know what you compare it to
27:49 <Mekkis> there are some exceptions. Some of which, generally the most blatant and commonly abused, HAVE been corrected.
28:25 <CWheezy> hmmmm
28:27 <Steven> hey remember when vital strike could be used on the first attack in a full round?
28:35 <CWheezy> that would probably be fair
28:46 <CWheezy> getting to swing at all is pretty cool for a martial character
28:58 <CWheezy> even playing a wizard regularly
29:01 <Steven> mmmmmmm that was fun.
29:05 <Damalon01> Lol When was that Steven?
29:09 <Mekkis> here's the benchmark: a party of level n characters can overcome a CR (n+2) encounter while expending a significant amount of resources.
29:16 <Steven> a while ago damal
29:29 <CWheezy> what happens when I can make a wizard that does the same thing
29:33 <Damalon01> must have been
29:50 <Steven> we should play a 7-11... ill bring my necromancy wizard.
29:55 <Mekkis> CWheezy, you mean a wizard that can overcome the same encounter by itself
29:57 <Mekkis> Steven, sure
30:00 <CWheezy> yes
30:09 <CWheezy> because man does it ever happen
30:14 <CWheezy> I even made a standard level 20 wizard
30:20 <CWheezy> I am not sure any martial can ever touch him
30:27 <Damalon01> what level is yer wizard Steven?
30:38 <Mekkis> CWheezy, sure
30:46 <CWheezy> it isn't actually about that btw
30:58 <Mekkis> I'll design a CR22 encounter, and run your wizard against it
31:07 <Mekkis> you got the character sheet handy?
31:07 <CWheezy> ok go ahead
31:11 <CWheezy> tes
31:13 <CWheezy> yes
31:16 <Mekkis> cool.
31:22 <Steven> YAY!
31:24 <CWheezy> the first thing you have to defeat
31:27 <Steven> this should be fun!
31:31 <CWheezy> can you defeat immortality
31:34 <CWheezy> ???
31:40 <CWheezy> everything you create has to be immortal
31:43 <Damalon01> lol ITS A TRAP CWheezy!
31:44 <CWheezy> otherwise I just wait them out
32:02 <CWheezy> the very first step!
32:05 <CWheezy> it is a fun first step
32:08 <Mekkis> no you don't
32:08 <Steven> My wizard is level 11
32:32 <Damalon01> being Immortal makes you immune to damage?
32:35 <CWheezy> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q8f3?Standard-Level-20-Wizard
32:38 <CWheezy> no it does not
32:43 <CWheezy> I wait them out years wise
32:54 <CWheezy> on my private plane
33:58 <CWheezy> it is A lot of reading btw
34:13 <CWheezy> there are some minor changes, like I misread the timeless quality
34:19 <CWheezy> I would actually make it double speed
34:40 <CWheezy> are dragons immortal? I forget
34:56 <Mekkis> or you just get bored, go and see a colleague
35:01 <Mekkis> and bam! something happens
35:39 <CWheezy> I would probably just contact them from my plane
36:01 <CWheezy> or i could send a simulacrum of myself
36:18 <CWheezy> it is like me, except not quite
36:23 <Steven> so... lets see this running!
40:30 <Darkkapow> "Hi I'm your friend how is it going?"
40:38 <Damalon01> so CWheezy has this Immortal Elf got any friends and family he cares about? 
40:53 <CWheezy> yeah I have my best buddy jake the planetar
41:02 <Darkkapow> !throw 1d20+78 @mekkis
41:06 <CWheezy> he is pretty cool and helps me do good things
41:17 <CWheezy> we talk about nethys and magic and stuff
41:34 <Damalon01> OK then all the GM has to do is trap Jake the Planetar and make sure you find out
41:50 <Damalon01> then youll have to come out of your little extra dimensional hole
42:11 <CWheezy> well he is a planetar
42:14 <CWheezy> that's pretty hard
42:17 <Damalon01> uh huh
42:21 <CWheezy> also he hangs around me all the time
42:22 <Damalon01> can still be done
42:38 <Darkkapow> roll me a fort save wheezy
42:38 <CWheezy> (he is bound to me because I know his true name)
42:43 <Damalon01> hes a Planetar, hell come out to defend the cause of Good
42:51 <CWheezy> he is from nethys
42:59 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20
43:00 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20: [1d20=14] 14
43:02 <Damalon01> the the cause of Nethys
43:15 <Darkkapow> your dead
43:22 <CWheezy> ok
43:25 <Darkkapow> I just death attack you DC 42
43:25 <Steven> he didnt add anything to it
43:27 <Darkkapow> you failed
43:28 <Darkkapow> your dead
43:36 <Darkkapow> his sheet is +20
43:42 <CWheezy> *you're
43:47 <CWheezy> hmmmm, how did you surprise me?
43:55 <Darkkapow> stealth
43:58 <CWheezy> note: this is impossible to answer, because I cannot be surprisede
44:04 <Darkkapow> true seeing doesn't see stealth
44:14 <CWheezy> plz look up what a diviner wizard does thanks
44:36 <Steven> not being able to be surprised does not negate his attack, your spider sense goes off you dont see anything
44:36 <CWheezy> anyway damalon you should do some research on nethys and his church
44:45 <CWheezy> its true
44:52 <Steven> you would both roll initative
44:59 <CWheezy> oh I don't rol initiative
45:00 <Damalon01> lol i dont need too research more about Nethys
45:01 <CWheezy> I take 20
45:06 <Darkkapow> so do I!
45:13 <Darkkapow> and I always act first in a surprise round :D
45:14 <Steven> then if you didnt teleport away or something like that
45:18 <CWheezy> ????
45:25 <Steven> his attack hits.
45:27 <CWheezy> assassin ability?
45:34 <Darkkapow> it's a rogue trick
45:34 <Steven> thats what you guys need to figure out
45:39 <Darkkapow> can take 20 to act in surprise round
45:45 <Darkkapow> i get surprise round because you couldn't see me
45:46 <Darkkapow> take 20
45:48 <Darkkapow> your dead
46:03 <Darkkapow> considering his ac is 15
46:05 <Steven> the actual order of operations
46:05 <Darkkapow> !throw 1d20
46:05 <diebot> Darkkapow, 1d20: [1d20=9] 9
46:06 <CWheezy> do you have a sheet I can see?
46:09 <Darkkapow> i didn't roll a 1
46:11 <Darkkapow> he is dead
47:06 <Darkkapow> Azrail leaves your body floating in a pool of your own blood and disappears in plain sight
47:18 <Darkkapow> peace
47:26 Bloodlust has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
47:39 <CWheezy> yeah link to rogue talent?
47:43 <CWheezy> maybe you mean ninja trick
48:06 <CWheezy> I think you are playing the lying game here
48:45 <CWheezy> I guess I can make things up too lol
50:22 <Steven> I could make things up but my character is powerful enough already
51:19 <Steven> dc 29 Persistant necromancy spells level 11
51:19 <CWheezy> Darkkapow: are you going to put up or what
51:22 <Darkkapow> I am trying to prove a point to you Cwheezy
51:28 <Darkkapow> you don't know what is out there
51:29 <CWheezy> oh my point is I have facts
51:31 <Darkkapow> that can screw you over
51:34 <CWheezy> actually I do
51:35 <CWheezy> lol
51:38 <Darkkapow> so before you say you are immortal
51:52 <Darkkapow> think about what others are capable of doing
51:57 <CWheezy> so if your point is a gm might make shit up that no pc could ever do and screw me
52:02 <CWheezy> I did
52:05 <Darkkapow> okay so your telling me you've read every pathfinder book?
52:06 <CWheezy> and no rogue can touch me soz
52:08 <Darkkapow> word for word
52:09 <CWheezy> nope
52:12 <Darkkapow> and remember every bit of that?
52:15 <CWheezy> you haven't
52:15 <Darkkapow> then you don't know
52:26 <CWheezy> lol
52:26 <Darkkapow> what makes you say no rogue can touch you?
52:31 <CWheezy> wow great point
52:38 <CWheezy> ok make a rogue and give it a shot
52:55 <CWheezy> we'll go step by step through the things you have to defeat when you are done
53:05 <CWheezy> I like using facts and stuff
53:08 <Steven> if he is going to make a rogue to kill you he can create it to kill you.
53:17 <Steven> thats a pointless test.
53:18 <CWheezy> he could certainly try!
53:43 <CWheezy> I remember the funny core wizard killers from giantip, those were good fighters
54:03 <Mekkis> CWheezy, if your extremely liberal applications of Rules as Written are the reason why Pathfinder is unbalanced, I'm fine with that
54:22 <CWheezy> oh you are going to give up, ok
54:36 <CWheezy> it isn't why, nor are they liberal, thanks though
54:49 <CWheezy> I was pretty excited actually for a cr 22 encounter
54:57 <Mekkis> I'm still going to make one
55:01 <CWheezy> was it going to be karzoug? that is a hard encounter, because he is also a wizard
55:06 <Mekkis> no
55:32 <CWheezy> my wizard isn't really totally invincible
55:36 <CWheezy> because there are other wizards
55:37 <Mekkis> I know
55:41 <Mekkis> and that's not why
55:48 <CWheezy> and clerics, and oracles, and sorcs
56:01 <Mekkis> but do you seriously believe that simulacrum is designed to be abused in that way?
56:13 <CWheezy> wow that is a loaded way to ask that question
56:27 <CWheezy> is that a joke or what
56:54 <CWheezy> I mean I am here saying wizards are too good, and so it seems it is OBVIOUS that simulacrum is fucking dumb is you just read it as written
57:26 <CWheezy> it is a good example of a spell the gm HAS to ban or fix somehow
57:54 <CWheezy> the hd limit is the first dumb part
58:04 <CWheezy> as soon as you get it you can make thantotic titans
58:07 <CWheezy> like wtf
58:17 <Mekkis> that character isn't saying wizards are too good. It's saying blood money breaks WBL, and simulacrum can be interpreted in a way that is definitely not RAI
58:19 <CWheezy> or pit fiends
58:34 <CWheezy> are you sure that it is not intended to create pit fiends
58:46 <CWheezy> you can actually ignore most of the simulacrum if you want
58:53 <CWheezy> it is obviously too easy to win with them
58:56 <Mekkis> can you cite a published source where it has?
59:32 <CWheezy> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/simulacrum.html#_simulacrum
59:33 <Mekkis> actually, can you cite a published source where it has been used to create anything nonhumanoid?
00:05 <CWheezy> I am not sure how that last question matters
00:15 <CWheezy> Simulacrum creates an illusory duplicate of any creature.
00:19 <CWheezy> that is the /first/ line
00:42 <CWheezy> if it was not intended to be able to create ANY CREATURE that line should probably not be there
02:12 <CWheezy> blood money doesn't break wbl much
02:42 <CWheezy> the people in my thread talking about it are not thinking about the consequences of what they are saying and do not respond when I point it out
03:15 <CWheezy> oh sorry it does break wbl by a lot, because you make things with it
03:30 <CWheezy> uh yes blood money is a spell you absolutely have to ban
03:51 <CWheezy> it is a pretty simple spell, using it as intended is a mistake
04:46 <Steven> nah, you just modify it.
05:19 <Steven> components last 1 round and you cannot cast a spell using the materials with a casting time of longer than 1 round.
05:33 <CWheezy> that is still free permanencies
05:55 <Mekkis> pretty sure that was clarified anyway, wasn't it Steven 
05:58 <CWheezy> and communal stoneskins, etc
06:04 <Steven> which is fine by me
06:17 <CWheezy> you can also still do free wishes
06:55 <Steven> which is again fine
08:22 <CWheezy> uh, whatever
08:48 <Steven> and permanency with how i described wouldnt work.
09:12 <CWheezy> its a standard isn't it
09:17 <Steven> no
09:29 <CWheezy> oh its  2 rounds, whoops
09:35 <CWheezy> maybe it is demiplane I was thinking of
09:53 <CWheezy> no, man what spell was it
09:57 <Steven> that has hours
10:03 <CWheezy> oh fabricate
10:49 <CWheezy> still 1 round, lol
10:54 <CWheezy> it would work to make armor if you wanted
11:05 <Steven> yup
11:23 <CWheezy> free full plate to sell is cool
11:53 <Steven> sure sure
12:26 <Damalon01> its chump change :P
12:39 <CWheezy> buys more simulacrum
12:47 <Darkkapow> Cwheezy i have a question for you.
12:58 <Darkkapow> Did you take 25 years to create all your simularicums?
13:11 <Darkkapow> or did you pay a cleric to cast restoration on you after every blood magic?
13:18 <Darkkapow> blood money
13:18 <Steven> its a 5th level spell and a 1st level spell to make 750g?
13:34 <CWheezy> I don't know what else I would do with my time
13:50 <CWheezy> 25 years? I could have
13:54 <CWheezy> I mean my wizard is immortal
14:00 <CWheezy> I don't though
15:03 <Darkkapow> so first you have to make it to 20th level before you can do any of this
15:29 <CWheezy> actually all my simulacra I can start making at 13th
15:45 <CWheezy> I have roughly 2400
16:02 <CWheezy> that is 19200 hours
16:16 <Darkkapow> 2400 simulacra?
16:20 <CWheezy> yeah roughly
16:25 <CWheezy> only 800 days
16:29 <CWheezy> to make em all
16:33 <CWheezy> that isn't close to 25 year simo
16:43 <Darkkapow> no
16:44 <Darkkapow> wrong
16:50 <Darkkapow> you need to recover you strength stat
16:52 <Darkkapow> or you'll die
16:57 <Darkkapow> or go comma tose
17:02 <CWheezy> yeah not die
17:07 <Darkkapow> and not be able to use blood money until you have th stat to do so
17:23 <Darkkapow> so for every simulacra you make
17:26 <Darkkapow> you ahve to wait 9 days
17:33 <Darkkapow> which means that 2400 takes you 60 years
17:40 <CWheezy> hmmmm
17:43 <Darkkapow> in that time someone is going to have come along and robbed you
17:49 <Darkkapow> and left you for dead on the side of the street
17:49 <CWheezy> what if I have a planetar
17:54 <Darkkapow> or in your plain
17:56 <Darkkapow> at level 13?
18:06 <CWheezy> I forget what you can get at that level
18:08 <CWheezy> it is something dumb
18:37 <Darkkapow> My point is wheezy in no game you ever play with anyone will you ever make it to that point before someone kills you.
19:09 <CWheezy> hmmm, you did that in a terrible way
19:20 <Darkkapow> and at 13th level you can't make the demons you want as simulaca
19:20 <CWheezy> because I can think of lots of different ways around that issue
19:30 <CWheezy> plz read spells before saying things thanks
19:33 <Darkkapow> you can only make a 6hd simulacra
19:38 <CWheezy> ha ha nope
19:51 <CWheezy> it is the opposite
19:57 <CWheezy> I am limited to creatures that are double my hd
20:04 <CWheezy> and they are created at half
20:11 <CWheezy> not limited to creatures my hd and created at half
20:45 <CWheezy> You can't create a simulacrum of a creature whose HD or levels exceed twice your caster level.
20:50 <CWheezy> note the word TWICE
21:12 <CWheezy> so you are trying to make points or whatever, but when you literally do not read the spells and make things up at me, it kind of falls flat
21:15 <Darkkapow> I'll give you that i mixed those 2 up still my point stands
21:45 <Steven> dont you actually have to have a creature there to copy
21:50 <CWheezy> nop
21:51 <CWheezy> nope
21:57 <CWheezy> spell component pouch has the part I need
22:33 <Damalon01> you have Demon parts in your pouch? howd you get em?
22:41 <Darkkapow> scultures
22:43 <CWheezy> same way you get any spell component
22:57 <Darkkapow> oh medium creatures in your pouch?
23:05 <CWheezy> what?
23:18 <CWheezy> are you not reading again before  you clarify
23:35 <Damalon01> Demon parts seems a little less likely and a lot more expensive than feathers and sand and gum arabic....
23:45 <CWheezy> it does but it turns out they aren't
23:49 <Darkkapow> Cwheezy I don't care about reading it. I am saying that character will never exist in a game.
23:57 <Darkkapow> Hundreds of reasons why.
24:04 <CWheezy> you have had none so far
24:04 <Darkkapow> shall I start listing them for you?
24:10 <Steven> i dunno, i'd rule that you'd actually have to have a creature you are copying
24:24 <CWheezy> ok but then again you are doing what the devs should do
24:26 <CWheezy> I would be fine with that
24:34 <CWheezy> I would also be fine if they were not under your total control
24:36 <Steven> cause i mean otherwise i'll just simulacrum a Tarrasque... like 50 of them
24:38 <CWheezy> and not double cl limit
24:44 <Darkkapow> If he brought that kind of attitude to a table and tried to make a character like that I'd put him back in his car and send him home and he wouldn't be coming back to my table.
24:44 <CWheezy> they actually kind of suck
24:51 <Darkkapow> that's the point i am making
24:56 <Darkkapow> you will never get that character for yourself
25:00 <Steven> so now i've got 50 tarrasque as my personal body guards
25:01 <Darkkapow> because no one will let you
25:11 <CWheezy> that is a pretty bold claim
25:18 <CWheezy> you know there is a guy on the forum who plays with wizards like that
25:43 <CWheezy> Anzyr plays games with characters similar to my wizard, he does some things I don't approve of though
25:44 <Darkkapow> has he uploaded and proof that he plays them on a real table with other people at any point?
25:54 <CWheezy> what the actual fuck
25:55 <Darkkapow> any*
26:04 <CWheezy> serious 
26:10 <Darkkapow> yes
26:11 <CWheezy> I guess him saying he does isn't goo enough
26:14 <Darkkapow> if so i'd love to see a link
26:24 <CWheezy> you need photo evidence
26:26 <CWheezy> he is on trial
26:30 <Darkkapow> no no your attitude
26:33 <Steven> oh you guys are taking this convo way to serious.
26:38 <Darkkapow> and you using him as a proof for your claim
26:45 <Darkkapow> is what requires proving
27:02 <Darkkapow> Yeah I am because he's an ignorant fuck wit
27:10 <CWheezy> yeah there it is
27:14 <CWheezy> I am fine to discuss it
27:23 <CWheezy> I am waiting for mekkis encounter actually
27:39 <Damalon01> lol
27:45 <CWheezy> as soon as it is a personal attack, conversation is over :(
27:48 <Steven> i'm going to laugh if he makes you fight a tarrasque
28:24 <CWheezy> I probably just suffocate it
28:29 <Damalon01> thats 25 Steven and the deal was 22
28:32 <Steven> they should make a Mythic Tarrasque
28:47 <CWheezy> lots of characters can take the tarrasque
28:50 <CWheezy> it isn't actually that tough
28:52 <Damalon01> actually that would be the proper use of the Mythic Template!
28:54 <CWheezy> just a big dumb monster
29:10 <Steven> like them mythic tiers.
29:15 <Mekkis> Yeha
29:17 <Mekkis> I'm working on it
29:32 <CWheezy> I am pretty shaky on mythic stuff still
30:07 <Damalon01> i only ran into it in Seige of the Diamond City myself
30:27 <Damalon01> i think it was misused in that scenario
31:04 <Steven> mythic vrocks good times
31:20 <Damalon01> heheh i only got Mythic Half orc Clerics
31:26 <Damalon01> 3 of em :(
31:48 <Steven> yeah they TPK'd a party at our local con
31:58 <Damalon01> we were like level 6
32:17 <Damalon01> not surprising Steven
32:35 <Damalon01> i heard the High Teir tablle at our con TPKed
33:18 <Steven> high tier at our con did surprisingly well
33:26 <Steven> although it was ran a bit.... wrong.
33:47 <Damalon01> nice! huh it was ran wrong?
33:48 <Brunius|M> At arc?
34:10 <Steven> the dragon did manage to kill a gnome after it died.
34:13 <Steven> which was pretty sweet
34:33 <Damalon01> ah yeah i remember you telling that story
34:48 <Steven> she was so angry!
35:07 <Steven> cause she thought she had stabalized on the ground
35:14 <CWheezy> dragon's are the best
35:17 <CWheezy> *dragons
36:22 <Damalon01> hmmm i have seen Dragons overused and misused. I tend to reserve them as the final boss of a long story myself.
36:40 <CWheezy> I like dragons just being fellows
36:40 <Damalon01> Same with Demons/Devils.
36:49 <CWheezy> sometimes they do things
36:58 <CWheezy> but it is hard for them to care about things that only live 100 years
40:37 <Mekkis> how are you getting blindsense?
42:34 <Mekkis> ok
42:35 <Mekkis> ready
42:45 <Mekkis> Your diviner sense tingles.
42:52 <Mekkis> Roll initiative for the surprise round.
43:41 <Mekkis> CWheezy?
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46:34 <CWheezy> ok I get 45
46:51 <Mekkis> ok
46:51 <CWheezy> where am I
46:55 <CWheezy> am I on my pocket plane
47:03 <Mekkis> it's where you stay all the time, right?
47:11 <CWheezy> yeah
47:11 <Mekkis> since you're completely antisocial, right?
47:16 <CWheezy> nah
47:20 <CWheezy> just old beyond time
47:20 <Mekkis> so yes,you're on your pocket plane
47:23 <Mekkis> what are you doing
47:27 <Mekkis> surprise round
47:33 <Mekkis> one action.
47:37 <CWheezy> hmmmm, how did they get a tuner fork?
47:45 <CWheezy> for my plane?
47:51 <CWheezy> it is a focus, not a component
47:51 <Mekkis> you don't know
48:06 <Mekkis> all you know, is that combat is initiating
48:08 <Mekkis> you don't know why
48:20 <CWheezy> we have to start with that first
48:23 <CWheezy> since uh, none exist?
48:24 <Mekkis> you just know that you have one standard action to prepare yourself
48:29 <Mekkis> no we don't
48:34 <CWheezy> or one does
48:36 <Mekkis> I know what's going on. So does Kapow
48:54 <CWheezy> ok I'll cast time stop
49:05 <Mekkis> ok
49:09 <Mekkis> !throw 1d4
49:10 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d4: [1d4=2] 2
49:13 <CWheezy> so like where am I
49:27 <Mekkis> at your desk
49:31 <CWheezy> my plane is huge btw
49:38 <Mekkis> reading the book you've read, 2000 times before.
49:44 <CWheezy> why would I do that
49:46 <CWheezy> that seems dumb
49:46 <Mekkis> ok
50:04 <Mekkis> so you're in the process of creating simulacrum #30421
50:07 <CWheezy> is jake around
50:18 <CWheezy> are any of my other simulacrums around
50:19 <Mekkis> sure
50:21 <Mekkis> of course
50:40 <CWheezy> hmmmm
50:50 <CWheezy> three rounds to do things
50:54 <CWheezy> hold on I have a lot of spells
50:54 <Mekkis> sure
51:03 <CWheezy> so something bad is happening for sure
51:27 <Mekkis> you think you're going to be in combat
51:46 <Mekkis> last time this happened, there was a rat about to bite someone on one of your rare visits to the material plane
51:47 <CWheezy> I don't see anything combat related right
51:56 <Mekkis> perception check...
52:21 <CWheezy> oh hold on
52:25 <CWheezy> I want to make it a good one
52:41 <CWheezy> I'll draw a greater quicken metamagic rod
52:45 <Mekkis> sure
52:47 <Mekkis> move action.
52:51 <CWheezy> what is jakes initiative
52:56 <Mekkis> roll it?
53:09 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20+8
53:10 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20+8: [1d20=8] 16
53:17 <Mekkis> there you are
53:19 <CWheezy> 16 I guess
53:42 <Mekkis> so
53:49 <Mekkis> what next
54:00 <CWheezy> I am looking up the spell
54:13 <CWheezy> there is one where I can future sight a skill check
54:30 <Steven> alright! back just in time for the good stuff.
54:39 <Mekkis> moment of prescience?
54:49 <Steven> had to get me a shower in.
55:47 <CWheezy> yeah that one sounds good
56:18 <Mekkis> I didn't actually see your spell preparation, but I'll take into good faith that you're honest
56:26 <CWheezy> hmmm
56:39 <CWheezy> remember I have all spells level 6 and lower prepared
57:39 <CWheezy> lol my level spell is prying eyes
57:45 <CWheezy> fuck a wizard takes a long time to make
58:02 <CWheezy> I was seriously so tired after doing the simulacra and calculating crafting I just said fuck it for spells
58:09 <CWheezy> did I get a commune this week
58:14 <CWheezy> I commune with nethys all the time
58:17 <Mekkis> ok
58:45 <Mekkis> I would like to sleep in an hour, so let's keep things moving
58:56 <CWheezy> it might take longer than an hour
59:16 <CWheezy> there are a billion things and I haven't thought about this in a while
59:30 <CWheezy> I am impressed that they were able to beat 45 stealth
59:36 <CWheezy> I guess it isn't that hard
59:42 <CWheezy> (that's just my take 10)
00:02 <Mekkis> you haven't made your perception check yet...
00:05 <Steven> my level 2 has a +12 stealth with nothing buffing it.
00:05 <Mekkis> are you taking 10
00:16 <CWheezy> when you stealth you are going against others perception
00:27 <CWheezy> similar to how disguise works
00:36 <CWheezy> you just use their take 10 unless they are actively searching
00:36 <Mekkis> but if I required a check, I would have asked
01:38 <CWheezy> well I can't see anything apparently
01:48 <Mekkis> correct
02:35 <Mekkis> so...?
02:45 <CWheezy> I am still thinking
03:01 <CWheezy> also I have to go through the daily spells I cast in the morning
04:09 <CWheezy> oh yeah time stop is 1d4+1, but you probably know that
04:18 <Mekkis> yeah
04:30 <Mekkis> not that I see it used often
04:32 <CWheezy> ok well I'll do moment of prescience, why not
04:35 <Mekkis> ok
04:47 <Mekkis> +20 to your next whatever
04:56 <CWheezy> ok I guess I perception
05:00 <Mekkis> roll it
05:08 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20+55
05:09 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20+55: [1d20=18] 73
05:16 <Mekkis> nothing seems out of the ordinary
06:06 <Mekkis> turn 2 now?
08:02 <CWheezy> so if something happens to me, I can immediate action force sphere right
08:03 <CWheezy> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/emergency-force-sphere
08:14 <Mekkis> of course
08:14 <CWheezy> immediate means it interrupts
08:33 <Mekkis> it means you can choose to activate it immediately
08:38 <CWheezy> right
08:45 <CWheezy> so did we commune or can I just do that now
08:50 <CWheezy> oh maybe I will divinate
09:10 <Mekkis> neither are on your spell list
09:16 <Mekkis> both have 10 minute casting time
10:13 <CWheezy> I have wish
10:43 <Mekkis> I don't see any diamond dust on your sheet...
10:53 <Mekkis> but I can let that slide
11:02 <CWheezy> I also have 200000 g unspent
11:19 <CWheezy> it isn;t dust btw
11:24 <CWheezy> it is an actual diamond
11:31 <Mekkis> (if you're actually cast a wish and commune with your deity every time your diviner sense actually started tingling like this...)
11:44 <CWheezy> why not
11:49 <CWheezy> I am actually a paragon of nethys
11:53 <Mekkis> sure, if you want
12:49 <Mekkis> feel free to
13:23 <Mekkis> burn those spell slots. And those diamonds
13:42 <CWheezy> I have a lot
13:46 <CWheezy> hmmmm
14:02 <CWheezy> man finding spells is a pint
14:04 <CWheezy> pain
14:04 <Mekkis> are you doing it? You've had fifteen minutes, and you haven't even got out of a surprise round...
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15:24 <CWheezy> yeah it is important to think about all my options
15:47 <CWheezy> I wont quicken this wish I will just standard wish
16:04 <CWheezy> and commune with nethys
16:06 <Mekkis> ok
16:11 <Mekkis> !spell commune
16:12 <diebot> Mekkis, COMMUNE divination ([]) cleric 5, inquisitor 5 10 minutes Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (holy or unholy water and incense worth 500 gp), DF Duration: 1 round/level Save:  SR:Source: PFRPG Core
16:12 <diebot> You contact your deity--or agents thereof--and ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. (A cleric of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct within the limits of the entity's knowledge. "Unclear" is a legitimate answer, because
16:12 <diebot> powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading or contrary to the deity's interests, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead. The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. The entities contacted structure their answers to
16:12 <diebot> further their own purposes. If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends.
16:20 <Mekkis> What's the question?
16:36 <CWheezy> I have 20
16:46 <Mekkis> sure
16:48 <Mekkis> but...
16:59 <CWheezy> are you saying nethys the omnipotent wont know
17:05 <Mekkis> you can't do it during a time stop
17:09 <CWheezy> ????
17:19 <Mekkis> because Nethys is out of sync with you
17:30 <Mekkis> he can't understand you
17:36 <CWheezy> ?????????????????????
17:49 <CWheezy> you know that time doesn't actually stop
17:51 <CWheezy> I just move fast
18:00 <Steven> he could ask the questions and get the answers at the end of timestop
18:04 <Mekkis> sure
18:08 <Mekkis> I know
18:13 <CWheezy> that seems pretty dumb
18:15 <Mekkis> ever tried listening to someone sped up twice
18:23 <CWheezy> ever been a god
18:24 <Mekkis> try speeding it up 200x
18:33 <CWheezy> try being a literal god
18:37 <Mekkis> sure. I'll give you all the answers at the end of the timestop then
18:46 <CWheezy> that seems like bullshit, sorry
19:04 <Mekkis> and your character isn't?
19:08 <CWheezy> he is
19:13 <Mekkis> In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds. 
19:19 <CWheezy> yeah
19:25 <Mekkis> sure
19:58 <Mekkis> I'll give you 6 minutes, real time, to ask the questions.
20:25 <CWheezy> if you are starved for time then I would rather just wait until you had more time
20:25 <Mekkis> which is being generous. Really, it'd be unlikely for you to ask more than one question per round.
20:40 <CWheezy> it is wish
20:44 <Mekkis> it is commune
21:04 <Mekkis> it has a higher DC, because you used /wish/. Otherwise it's just commune.
21:16 <CWheezy> it also uses wish things
21:24 <CWheezy> like casting time
21:33 <Mekkis> I know
21:37 <CWheezy> hmmmm, 20 questions
21:45 <Mekkis> but not duration. and it doesn't make you able to speak faster
21:48 <CWheezy> am I under attack
21:52 <Mekkis> No
22:10 <CWheezy> ok so that is a problem that you said no
22:16 <Mekkis> why?
22:17 <CWheezy> nethys the omnipotent doesn't know
22:21 <Mekkis> he does
22:23 <CWheezy> but I know?
22:29 <Mekkis> UNCLEAR
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23:07 <CWheezy> unclear
23:23 <Mekkis> you asked "but I know?"
23:34 <Mekkis> pretty sure the answer to that question would be unclear
23:34 <CWheezy> no of course not
23:44 <CWheezy> ok you can't snipe questions
23:46 <CWheezy> that is bad faith
24:13 <CWheezy> I was asking you that nethys said NO I am not under atack
24:18 <CWheezy> but I KNOW I am under attack
24:22 <CWheezy> how does that make sense
24:40 <Mekkis> initiative is called for reasons other than being under attack
25:00 <CWheezy> actually it is only for combat
25:00 <Mekkis> sure. Two questions per round then. Seems you wouldn't be able to speak much faster than that anyway.
25:24 <Mekkis> And what's affecting you might be combat
25:40 <Mekkis> but you're not 'under attack'
26:23 <CWheezy> lol
27:41 <CWheezy> I am not sure if that is serious
28:04 <Mekkis> I'm serious.
29:00 <CWheezy> I am in combat
29:04 <CWheezy> something is attacking me
29:08 <CWheezy> I am not attacking something
29:17 <CWheezy> therefore I am under attack
29:33 <Mekkis> Something with hostile intent is about to interact with you. You're not sure what.
29:45 <Steven> technically you're spider senses tingled and you cast timestop, wish-commune.
29:45 <CWheezy> so you are going to retcon his answer to yes
29:51 <CWheezy> great
29:58 <Mekkis> you're not under attack
30:10 <CWheezy> I /have/ to be
30:13 <Mekkis> your spider senses have tingled, you've cast timestop, then commune
30:32 <CWheezy> yes because when they tingle, something is attacking me
30:36 <Mekkis> no
30:39 <Mekkis> Combat has started
30:42 <CWheezy> yes
30:47 <Mekkis> not necessarily something attacking YOU
31:27 <Mekkis> you might be egocentric, but not everything is directly about you...
31:47 <CWheezy> well remember this whole thing was about me
32:07 <Mekkis> that's all you can tell from where you are, perhaps.
33:02 <Mekkis> Steven knows what it is
33:07 <CWheezy> "ok is something coming to attack something I care about?"
33:38 <Mekkis> UNCLEAR
33:45 <Mekkis> that'll be your move action.
33:47 <CWheezy> he knows the things I care about
33:57 <Mekkis> route three
34:04 <Mekkis> round three
34:07 <CWheezy> which are my things and my planetar
34:08 <CWheezy> what
34:10 <CWheezy> ?>???
34:35 <CWheezy> speaking isn't a free action anymore?
34:36 <Mekkis> still unclear
34:40 <CWheezy> you can't make up actions plz
34:40 <Mekkis> there are limits
34:55 <CWheezy> you are imposing limits after we started
35:00 <CWheezy> this is more bad faith lol
35:14 <Mekkis> it's 40 minutes and you haven't even finished your first TURN
35:21 <CWheezy> YES I AM A WIZARD
35:29 <Mekkis> In general, speaking is a free action that you can perform even when it isn't your turn. Speaking more than a few sentences is generally beyond the limit of a free action.
35:30 <CWheezy> also I have to haggled you about EVERYTHING
35:45 <CWheezy> yeah and I spoke TWO SENTENCES
35:50 <CWheezy> this is terrible
36:06 <Mekkis> Steven, you play a wizard.
36:09 <CWheezy> I didn;t use my swift AND I still have a move if I want it
36:17 <Mekkis> How long does it take for you to take a turn?
36:19 <Steven> I have played 1 wizard in PFS
36:30 <CWheezy> none of them are level 20
36:36 <Steven> um.... usually about 30 seconds including dicerolling from GM
37:04 <Steven> mostly because my save dcs are in the 30s and i like Persistant Suffocation and the like.
37:19 <CWheezy> he isn't dealing with what I am dealing with
37:26 <Mekkis> that's true
37:29 <Mekkis> very true
37:36 <Steven> but i dont cast commune, so thats different. 
37:37 <CWheezy> which is you lol
37:47 <Steven> I believe in you cwheezy, you can do it!
37:48 <Mekkis> Steven, how long would you take in a surprise round, if you couldn't see anything threatening?
38:01 <CWheezy> why does that matter
38:43 <Mekkis> It seems likely that Commune really is one question per round, given that it lasts rounds per level...
38:58 <CWheezy> that is the duration before it runs out
39:12 <CWheezy> if it was 1 round per question it would say that
39:13 <Mekkis> keep asking questions then
39:22 <CWheezy> you apparently wont let me
39:41 <Mekkis> not sure what you mean by bad faith
39:46 <Mekkis> I haven't even acted yet.
39:48 <Mekkis> Actually
39:56 <Mekkis> Steven, do you mind taking over as GM
40:00 <CWheezy> you are not doing this in a fair manner
40:03 <CWheezy> imo
40:06 <Mekkis> sorry
40:08 <Mekkis> as 'judge'
40:24 <Mekkis> I'll take the podium as 'scenario writer'
40:39 <Mekkis> let's get someone impartial
40:44 <CWheezy> ok I a going to giv eup
40:51 <CWheezy> on commune
40:55 <Mekkis> ok then
40:57 <CWheezy> time stop ends, I do nothing, go
41:30 <Mekkis> you hear a voice in your head. "It's your mother. Why do you never come around?"
41:53 <Mekkis> it's evidently a /sending/ spell
41:54 <CWheezy> she is unforuntately dead
41:59 <Mekkis> that's what you hear
42:09 <Steven> I would rule very similiar to you mekkis, commune takes time to communicate with your diety, i'd probably allow 3 questions a round, but no different.
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42:36 <CWheezy> sending isn't offensive
42:39 <CWheezy> wow
42:53 <Mekkis> cool
42:55 <Mekkis> now make a will save
43:08 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20
43:08 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20: [1d20=17] 17
43:15 <Mekkis> is that it?
43:21 <CWheezy> 48
43:34 <CWheezy> 50 v enchantments
43:35 <Mekkis> you feel a tingle, but nothing happens
43:37 <Mekkis> your turn
43:41 <CWheezy> spellcraft
43:45 <CWheezy> knowledge checks
43:55 <Mekkis> make them
44:08 <Mekkis> knowledge arcana
44:15 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20+37
44:15 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=8] 45
44:19 <CWheezy> 45 spellcraft
44:28 <Mekkis> seems like you were targetted by /sending/
44:39 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20+37
44:39 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=13] 50
44:42 <CWheezy> whut
44:53 <CWheezy> that seems false since something attacked me
44:59 <Mekkis> perhaps
45:01 <CWheezy> that is arcana
45:13 <Darkkapow> Action: Identifying a spell as it is being cast requires
45:13 <Darkkapow> no action, but you must be able to clearly see the spell as
45:13 <Darkkapow> it is being cast, and this incurs the same penalties as a
45:13 <Darkkapow> Perception skill check due to distance, poor conditions,
45:13 <Darkkapow> and other factors.
45:32 <CWheezy> well it certainly wasn't sending if it attacked me
45:38 <CWheezy> I know what spells are
45:47 <Mekkis> well, that's what a 50 gives you
46:05 <CWheezy> I don't get to know what monster does that
46:12 <Mekkis> no, you don't
46:19 <CWheezy> whut
46:37 <Darkkapow> There are a large number of things that use sending
46:44 <Darkkapow> do you want to know every single one of them?
47:24 <Mekkis> doing anything else on your turn?
47:36 <CWheezy> well I am waiting for a result
47:45 <CWheezy> sure, I know all arcana monsters that do
47:49 <CWheezy> I would like a list of them all
47:56 <Mekkis> you get a list of them all
48:02 <Mekkis> you know it
48:02 <CWheezy> it wasn't sending though, since I was mentally attacked by something
48:05 <Steven> beast 1, 2, and 3.
48:28 <CWheezy> ok so it will take me a while to read all these, since there is no easy way to search this way
48:53 <CWheezy> search by spells they cast
48:56 <Mekkis> you can't think of any specific monster that would do this
49:14 <CWheezy> I don't want to look at bestiaries
49:15 <Mekkis> except maybe your mother. You've been out of touch for years...
49:20 <CWheezy> she is dead
49:25 <Mekkis> that's what you think
49:28 <CWheezy> all things die, except for me and lots of other things
50:00 <Mekkis> you spend six seconds musing about what could cause this sort of thing?
50:21 <Mekkis> given that all that you know is you received a sending, and then made a will save
50:24 <Steven> I like how you've been at this for like half an hour now and you're just now getting out of surprise round.
50:36 <CWheezy> wizards are very complex
50:37 <Mekkis> more than half an hour. Almost an hour
50:50 <CWheezy> I have a lot of decisions to make
50:58 <CWheezy> I am not a fighte who goes if full attack then full attack
51:23 <CWheezy> I also gave up on commune to be nice
51:41 <Mekkis> CWheezy, have you ever played a wizard before?
51:47 <CWheezy> yes
52:11 <Mekkis> how did you react when there was an enemy you couldn't perceive?
52:34 <CWheezy> I usually didn't have what I have now
52:46 <CWheezy> they can't be around me, I can see them
53:09 <Mekkis> so
53:15 <CWheezy> maybe glitterdust or invisibility purge
53:16 <Mekkis> What are you doing this turn
53:28 <CWheezy> you would think it would be knowledge planes
54:05 <CWheezy> I am thinking about using vision for it
54:14 <CWheezy> I will just draw a scroll of time stop
54:42 <Mekkis> ok
55:22 <Mekkis> Ten minutes pass.
55:26 <CWheezy> I probably should have casted spellbane
55:39 <Mekkis> hmm
55:48 <Mekkis> Sorry, ten minutes don't
55:48 <CWheezy> ten minutes
55:58 <CWheezy> like whoa I would do things
56:11 <Mekkis> Make another will save, unless you choose to fail it.
56:22 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20 +31
56:23 <dicebot> CWheezy, +31: [1d20=11] 42
56:34 <Mekkis> ok
56:37 <Mekkis> your turn
56:44 <Mekkis> you feel the same sort of tingle
56:59 <Mekkis> your turn again
57:35 <CWheezy> hmmm
57:52 <CWheezy> might as well scry
58:00 <CWheezy> the huldra can persist it, not like it will matter
58:01 <Mekkis> scry what?
58:06 <CWheezy> what scried me
58:22 <Mekkis> sure, 1 hour casting time if you want to....
58:26 <CWheezy> not many spells target creatures on other planes and give a will save
58:33 <CWheezy> oh derp one hour
59:00 <Mekkis> and you don't really have any connection
59:01 <Darkkapow> lol
59:17 <Mekkis> unless you want to fail the will save to see the scrying beacon with a perception check
59:19 <CWheezy> yeah he would get a +15 bonus
59:27 <CWheezy> to his will save
59:29 <CWheezy> lol
59:31 <Mekkis> (then you can use Greater Scrying to do his thing)
59:38 <CWheezy> uh I'll cast aroden's spellbane
59:41 <Mekkis> sure
59:45 <CWheezy> I would wake up in the morning and do this
59:51 <CWheezy> so it would be antimagic field
59:55 <CWheezy> mage's disjunction
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