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00:49 <CWheezy> forcecage and maze
00:59 <Mekkis> no problem
01:12 <Mekkis> following turn, the tingle is there again
01:15 <CWheezy> ok Iask jake wtf is up
01:16 <Mekkis> will save if you want.
01:21 <Mekkis> Jake doesn't know
01:22 <CWheezy> and he is like bloop a loop
01:26 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20 +31
01:35 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20+31
01:46 <Mekkis> you can use !throw
01:47 <CWheezy> uh
01:54 <dicebot> CWheezy, +31: [1d20=19] 50
01:54 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20+31: [1d20=3] 34
02:01 <Mekkis> sure.
02:07 <Mekkis> same tingle, no effect
02:08 <CWheezy> I'll take the first one
02:10 <Mekkis> your turn
02:21 <CWheezy> how do I not get a knowledge check on this
02:29 <CWheezy> things that attack you from other planes
02:36 <Mekkis> you did
02:45 <Mekkis> it's a spell. Seems to be Sending
03:00 <CWheezy> on the creature that does it
03:15 <Mekkis> you don't know.
03:15 <CWheezy> it isn't sending
03:19 <CWheezy> because sending is no save
03:45 <Mekkis> well. Or it's the GM asking for saves to make you paranoid, and to stop metagaming. That's also a possibility
03:50 <Mekkis> or it's another spell entirely
04:01 <CWheezy> 06:03	<Mekkis>: well. Or it's the GM asking for saves to make you paranoid, and to stop metagaming. That's also a possibility
04:04 <CWheezy> it obviously is not that one
04:08 <CWheezy> that one would be terrible
04:25 <Mekkis> I've done that before. It's effective
04:27 <Steven> obviously you're failing your will save vs mekkis' annoyance effect.
04:30 <CWheezy> wow a wizard who knows what a spell does
04:41 <CWheezy> not any wizard but one who has it prepared
04:42 <CWheezy> herp
05:04 <Mekkis> sure
05:20 <Mekkis> your knowledge check tells you that Sending is a spell that many casters can cast
05:27 <Mekkis> are you doing anything this turn?
05:47 <CWheezy> I will wait for a legitimate response to identify a monster that would do that
05:51 <CWheezy> since it obviously is not sending
06:00 <CWheezy> I guess if you are just trolling me to be a jerk plz say now
06:05 <CWheezy> so i can go to sleep
06:11 <CWheezy> I was hoping this was serious :(
06:12 <Mekkis> I'm not
06:14 <Darkkapow> no he is deadly serious
06:16 <Mekkis> this is serious
06:27 <Mekkis> Darkkapow and Steven know what's going on
06:29 <Darkkapow> knowledges and spellcraft rarely work when you can't see the target.
06:33 <Darkkapow> And i do say rarely
06:34 <Mekkis> make a will save
06:34 <CWheezy> now instead of commune and asking questions you are fucking with me on knowledge checks
06:38 <Darkkapow> as there are exceptions
06:49 <CWheezy> it is both still my turn AND you have no answered my question yet
06:55 <Darkkapow> there are a number of spells that cause you to will save no matter what plain you are on
06:57 <Mekkis> I have
07:06 <Mekkis> exactly
07:07 <Darkkapow> without seeing and hearing the person or thing doing whatever they are doing
07:14 <CWheezy> ok list them all for me
07:14 <Darkkapow> you can't tell what it is that's happening
07:18 <CWheezy> so I can think about which one it could be
07:24 <Darkkapow> so you can metagame?
07:28 <CWheezy> ?????
07:41 <CWheezy> are you seriously asking a wizard with 38 int if he doesn;t know what a spell might be
07:48 <Mekkis> CWheezy, would you do this in a real game? Get the GM to give you an exhaustive list of spells meeting certain conditions?
07:49 <CWheezy> so I can metagame hurrrr
08:03 <CWheezy> maybe
08:05 <CWheezy> am I level 20
08:09 <Darkkapow> ^ the point i was getting at
08:12 <Mekkis> now THAT'S 'bad faith'
08:13 <CWheezy> I know my character would think about it
08:20 <Darkkapow> and clearly you haven't played in a game at level 20
08:22 <CWheezy> so my character would know this already
08:33 <Mekkis> you character thinks about it, and decides that there are ALOT of spells like that
08:44 <CWheezy> really, I actually think there are not that many
08:53 <CWheezy> I know of 2 off the top of my head
09:02 <CWheezy> so do I get to do my own research time or what
09:11 <CWheezy> to know what my character would know
09:12 <Darkkapow> I know of maybe 9 off the top of my head and there are some monster abilities too
09:20 <CWheezy> oh good monster abilities
09:21 <CWheezy> great
09:44 <CWheezy> ok so I guess I will be doing that for a while
10:13 <Mekkis> I thought this was going to be a serious game
10:18 <CWheezy> it is
10:27 <CWheezy> how is that not serious
10:38 <Mekkis> What you've been doing is wasting time, bitching about every single rule, and arguing with the GM non-stop.
10:46 <Darkkapow> so in a real life game you are going to delay 3-4 other players while you go read up about a whole heap of spells?
11:05 <CWheezy> hmmmm, is this a set up to attack me personally?
11:13 <CWheezy> it is starting to feel that way
11:28 <Darkkapow> not at all
11:36 <Darkkapow> mekkis is legitimitely running something for you to beat
11:39 <CWheezy> well Darkkapow that is kind of all you have been doing
11:42 <Darkkapow> you are slowing the situation down
11:48 <CWheezy> so is mekkis
11:49 <Darkkapow> I'm going to do it all I want
11:55 <Darkkapow> I straight up don't like you
11:57 <Mekkis> how am I slowing it down?
12:01 <Darkkapow> but as for mekkis's intentions
12:04 <CWheezy> when you adjucate things poorly
12:07 <Darkkapow> he is running it properly
12:08 <Mekkis> my turns have taken less than two minutes
12:15 <CWheezy> and you are adjucating poorly
12:18 <Mekkis> in the last 82 minutes.
12:22 <Darkkapow> i was saying him mekkis
12:57 <Steven> I have seen what mekkis is doing.  Seems legitimate.
12:59 <CWheezy> right now you are telling me
13:07 <CWheezy> that I am not allowed to know what my character would know
13:13 <CWheezy> because it would take too long
13:17 <Darkkapow> Action: Identifying a spell as it is being cast requires
13:17 <Darkkapow> no action, but you must be able to clearly see the spell as
13:17 <Darkkapow> it is being cast, and this incurs the same penalties as a
13:17 <Darkkapow> Perception skill check due to distance, poor conditions,
13:17 <Darkkapow> and other factors.
13:22 <Mekkis> I am telling you what your character knows
13:33 <CWheezy> that is weasel words
13:44 <CWheezy> saying "you know there is a lot" and claiming that is exact
13:45 <Darkkapow> you character doesn't know anything about what is happening as he can't see or hear what is going on at the other end
13:48 <Mekkis> or should I tell you to stop metagaming about the fact that you're making will saves?
14:07 <CWheezy> ugh
14:53 <CWheezy> is yoru claim resisting a mental influence is like "oph nothign happened"
15:08 <CWheezy> yay metagaming to know something attacked my mind
15:13 <CWheezy> ..........
15:16 <Mekkis> you don't know that it's a mental influence, or that it attacked your mind
15:19 <Avatar> survived the day
15:25 <Avatar> by the skin of our teeth
15:34 <Mekkis> Scrying, for instance, doesn't have a 'mental influence'
15:40 <CWheezy> will saves are mental influences, come on
15:55 <Mekkis> yet it has a will save
15:58 <Darkkapow> channel negative energy isn't a mental influence
16:07 <Darkkapow> it's still a will save
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16:27 <Mekkis> awaken isn't a negative influence
16:30 <Mekkis> and has a will save
16:31 <CWheezy> ok I'ma be looking up stuff now
16:43 <CWheezy> if you want to stop because i /have/ to do this that's fine
16:46 <CWheezy> you designed the encounter
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17:05 <Darkkapow> and you 1 single player have to hold everything up cause you don't know your character.
17:11 <Mekkis> I'm willing to adjourn for 17 hours, and continue after that.
17:22 <Mekkis> while you do your 'research'
17:23 <Darkkapow> please do
17:26 <CWheezy> Darkkapow: is my character all monsters that can cast spells from plane to plane
17:40 <CWheezy> do you know all spells
17:40 <Darkkapow> well you are claiming that's his knowledge
17:43 <Darkkapow> so isn't it?
17:50 <Darkkapow> no I don't nor do i claim to
17:50 <CWheezy> Darkkapow: plz read
17:55 <Darkkapow> I play martial classes for a reason
18:00 <Darkkapow> i dislike spell casters
18:02 <CWheezy> yeah because they are simple
18:05 <CWheezy> just roll right
18:09 <CWheezy> to hard to cast spells
18:21 <Darkkapow> seems to be that way for you at the moment
18:29 <Darkkapow> you didn't even know that scrying was an hour cast time
18:31 <CWheezy> well it isn't like hard
18:37 <CWheezy> yeah it is true I don't know all spells
18:43 <CWheezy> you got me
18:52 <CWheezy> my character does though
18:55 <Darkkapow> and you failed yet again as you didn't correct me
18:57 <CWheezy> so ooc I get to know this
18:59 <Darkkapow> it's a 10 minute cast time
19:01 <Mekkis> CWheezy, I have never seen this sort of demand made by a player in the past, the "show me everything"
19:01 <Darkkapow> point proven
19:17 <Steven> ive seen it!
19:18 <CWheezy> ok, did you have a character who did know everything about the subject
19:31 <Steven> but i GM a lot.
19:34 <CWheezy> Darkkapow: lol is that serious
19:43 <Mekkis> close enough to everything
19:48 <CWheezy> "you don't know all spells"
19:50 <Mekkis> +20 or so on knowledge skills
19:54 <CWheezy> yeah you are right I don't know all spells
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20:04 <CWheezy> 'Ha by not correcting me youd on't know all spells"
20:12 <CWheezy> ya got me
20:14 <Mekkis> but I TRUST the GM when they say "You don't know"
20:24 <Mekkis> I don't bitch about it for hours.
20:36 <CWheezy> well luckily I know that gms are just as fallible as anyone else
20:48 <Mekkis> I might remind the GM the way knowledge checks work, but I go with the ruling
20:55 <Darkkapow> CWheezy if you can't tell I am being a dick, take it this way, you have elicited this response from someone you don't even know by the way you have acted.
21:05 <Darkkapow> How long do you expect to last acting like that on peoples tables.
21:17 <Darkkapow> rules game aside
21:18 <CWheezy> right Darkkapow ya got me
21:23 <Steven> okay guys
21:25 <Darkkapow> you are acting like a fuck wit
21:27 <Mekkis> In our case, we have two VLs, from opposite end of the globe, who know what's going on, and have told you.
21:30 <Darkkapow> and people won't want to play with you
21:38 <CWheezy> mekkis are you using appeal to authority on me
21:43 <Darkkapow> it's the simple rule don't be a dick
21:46 <Darkkapow> your being a dick
21:50 <CWheezy> *you're
21:57 <Steven> if you want to personally attack each other, please take it to private.
21:58 <Darkkapow> as am i now but i am
22:07 <CWheezy> I actually haven't personally attacked anyone
22:09 <Mekkis> CWheezy, no, I'm using appeal to a neutral knowledgeable party
22:11 <CWheezy> it is only dark
22:20 <CWheezy> no that is appeal to authority
22:30 <Steven> I'm saying this preemptively before battle lines are drawn up.
22:33 <CWheezy> the "2 vls blah blah blah" is an appeal
22:45 <CWheezy> oh I don't personally attack people, it is childish and gets nothing done
23:03 <Darkkapow> I don't personally attack people I tell it like it is.
23:12 <Darkkapow> I am being a dick to you because you are being a dick in general
23:12 <CWheezy> right
23:18 <CWheezy> ok
23:24 <Steven> Just make sure its kept civil, or its kept private please.
23:30 <Mekkis> but let's adjourn for 17 hours and continue tomorrow. I have work.
23:37 <CWheezy> well I would claim he is being not civil
23:40 <CWheezy> I will be busy then btw
23:40 <Mekkis> and you have a shitton of research
23:42 <Mekkis> if you want.
23:45 <CWheezy> yes lol
23:52 <Mekkis> Sure. 20 hours better?
23:55 <CWheezy> well you set up a situation in which I would /have/ to
24:00 <Mekkis> no I didn't
24:01 <Steven> cool cool, see you all later when you can continue.
24:03 <CWheezy> did you not think that would happen
24:05 <CWheezy> ?
24:06 <Mekkis> no
24:18 <Steven> So... avatar, how did you barely survive?
24:20 <Mekkis> I didn't think you would want me to send you a list of spells
24:24 <Steven> gives me the details!
24:34 <CWheezy> well you are doing a thing, and I know all spells so
24:43 <CWheezy> I even rolled a great knowledge check
25:15 <Darkkapow> have you ignored the two times already I've pasted from the core rule book?
25:18 <Darkkapow> You don't know.
26:00 <CWheezy> Darkkapow: I am ignoring that because it isn't relevant, thanks
26:05 <Acentes> ?
26:25 <Darkkapow> it's RAW dude you can't ignore it it's core rule book how skills work
26:38 <CWheezy> Identify a spell that just targeted you	Arcana	25 + spell level
26:53 <CWheezy> it's RAW dude you can't ignore it it's core rule book how skills work
26:59 <CWheezy> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/knowledge
27:01 <Darkkapow> and?
27:12 <Darkkapow> it may not have targeted you
27:31 <Darkkapow> you are meta gaming that it did.
27:31 <CWheezy> yeah I guess it just affected me and no one else around me
27:54 <Darkkapow> *shrugs* I don't know that, do you know that?
28:06 <CWheezy> mekkis didn't say anything
28:13 <CWheezy> I have to assume nothing is happening
28:22 <CWheezy> so yes I do!
28:29 <Acentes> If I may interject?
28:40 <Mekkis> sure
29:09 <Acentes> Just because something is in the rulebook doesn't mean it is true in all games as DM/GM's are allowed to Fudge things in the spur of the moment as needed
29:25 <Mekkis> and no fudging has occurred
29:34 <CWheezy> "allowed"
30:18 <Acentes> Then again I'm the GM who sees his rulebook as guidelines 
30:27 <CWheezy> plz don't assume how I act in a game Darkkapow, this is a challenge for a wizard that I take seriously not some home game where I play a cavalier
30:38 <CWheezy> thanks bye
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31:13 <Acentes> did I hurt that guys feelings?
31:29 <Darkkapow> 00:29 <Darkkapow> Okay dude all anamosity aside you need to look at your behaviour during a game. I apologise for getting verbal at you but seriously man sit down put the character aside and think about someone coming to your table and doing something like you are to mekkis now to you.
31:29 <Darkkapow> 00:29 <Darkkapow> You wouldn't tolerate it.
31:29 <Darkkapow> 00:29 <Darkkapow> And you are being extremely ignorant and rude to mekkis who was genuinely trying to put something for you to fight.
31:29 <Mekkis> Acentes, it wasn't your comment
31:30 <Mason> I think they were already hurt
31:36 <Darkkapow> he quit after i pm'd him
32:01 <Mekkis> that would do it
32:24 <Darkkapow> I put reason to the man he ignored it and left as his right
33:02 <Acentes> i mean he was quoteing the rule book and thats why I made my comment
34:06 <Darkkapow> it wasn't you acentes.
34:12 <Darkkapow> You can relax.
38:26 <Mason> That was interesting to watch
38:28 <Steven> so mason, this is where i hang out most of the time. lol
39:27 <Darkkapow> However what happened is not a common occurance.
39:38 <Darkkapow> occurrence even.
39:39 <Steven> yeah very very rare
40:16 <Steven> my dog is staring at me.... i'mm eating cheese.
40:25 <Steven> and she thinks she is going to get some.
40:28 <Mason> I am curious as to how he would be at a table
41:15 <Darkkapow> ^ what despite my verbalization's I was trying to make him realise or think about.
42:03 <Steven> i think he might be under the impression that his high int score and skill checks means he's learned everything 
44:08 <Steven> my wizard is 2 games and eyes of the ten away from having 38 int.
45:17 <Steven> might only be 1 game and eyes
46:08 <Acentes> ok what is this about 2 games and eyes of the ten
46:40 <Steven> im gming eyes of the ten sometime soon
49:17 <Acentes> ok could someone answer for me a rather odd question ok I know eyes of the ten is a PFS scenario but how does that relate to a player ending up with 38 int thats just a bit insane honestly.
50:41 <Mason> I think its just a timing thing. Not directly related
50:53 <Steven> yeah, its due to my build
51:51 <Acentes> Steven care to tell me about the build in PM
53:30 <Steven> I dont share my power builds sorry.
53:51 <Mason> I still cant decide if I like brawler or monk more for my mock professional wrestler build
54:16 <Acentes> its not like i'm gonna use it for PFS I still to Paladins for PFS
54:23 <Acentes> \Stick even^
57:12 <Steven> thats a hard choice mason.
58:31 <Mason> brawler grants me versatility with that gain a feat temporarily thing
58:43 <Mason> my unarmed damage seems to be the same asa monk
59:12 <Mason> and theres plenty of bonus feats I can pick
59:54 <Steven> acentes you can read about my character here: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ppsv&page=2?Your-Character-is-the-End-Boss#60
01:15 <Steven> might put off buying the +5 book until i buy a +6 con belt.
01:51 <Steven> cause 36hp is pretty awesome, and he's got pretty insane DCs to begin with.
07:09 <Mason> i do like the manuver master where I can just hit someone with dirty trick and trip in the same attack
08:02 <Steven> yeah, its pretty damn effective.
09:25 <Mason> especially when it moves to the greater version of either
09:47 <Mason> dirty trick takes a standard to remove and trip causes them to provoke from me
14:35 <Mason> really wish i could play more PFS. Theres cool things I wanna do with my characters
17:15 <Mason> just wanna load up my a-hole battle herald with banners
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02:35 <Mason> so many good banners
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31:31 <Acentes> ?
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08:26 <mib_k5g9al> #Help
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26:23 * Avatar removes voice from Darkkapow
28:30 <Mekkis> he did
28:37 <Steven> basically what happens with being a diviner is you get a feeling something is about to go south... earthquake, somebody stabbing you, a rat running across your foot.
28:38 <Mekkis> a Sending spell went off on him
28:52 <Mekkis> and he learnt "Hey, it's your mother. Why don't you ever come around"
29:06 <Avatar> how does that initiatite combat
29:16 <Brunius> maybe he doesn't like his mother
29:17 <Mekkis> then he was required to make a will save
29:46 <Mekkis> which, to be honest, I should have rolled without his knowledge, because then he started metagaming more
30:20 <Avatar> what happened then
30:22 <Mekkis> claiming that as a GM, I should be supplying him with an exhaustive list of Everything that was capable of forcing an interplanar will save
30:49 <Avatar> did he say exactly that
31:03 <Mekkis> not exactly that
31:04 <Steven> over the course of about 25 minutes.... yes.
31:10 <Brunius> <CWheezy> Mekkis,  as a GM, I should be supplying him with an exhaustive list of Everything that was capable of forcing an interplanar will save
31:20 <Brunius> something something logs
31:48 <Avatar> that doesn't sound right
31:54 <Avatar> it doesn't make sense
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33:25 <Steven> there was a fair bit of what i assume is frustration and anger at that point.
33:39 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:02 <CWheezy>       it wasn't sending though, since I was mentally attacked by something
33:40 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:05 <Steven>        beast 1, 2, and 3.
33:40 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:28 <CWheezy>       ok so it will take me a while to read all these, since there is no easy way to search this way
33:40 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:53 <CWheezy>       search by spells they cast
33:40 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:56 <Mekkis>        you can't think of any specific monster that would do this
33:41 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:49:14 <CWheezy>       I don't want to look at bestiaries
34:42 <Avatar> read all of what
34:57 <Mekkis> the bestiaries
35:02 <Mekkis> and the spells
35:15 <Avatar> he responds to steven in that last line
35:17 <Mekkis> he felt he was entitled to know what was hitting him
35:31 <Avatar> what's before that
36:18 <Avatar> sec
36:28 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:35 <Mekkis>        you feel a tingle, but nothing happens
36:29 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:37 <Mekkis>        your turn
36:29 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:41 <CWheezy>       spellcraft
36:29 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:45 <CWheezy>       knowledge checks
36:29 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:55 <Mekkis>        make them
36:29 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:08 <Mekkis>        knowledge arcana
36:31 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:15 <CWheezy>       !roll 1d20+37
36:35 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:15 <dicebot>       CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=8] 45
36:37 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:19 <CWheezy>       45 spellcraft
36:39 <Avatar> don't spam-paste, I've got the log
36:39 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:28 <Mekkis>        seems like you were targetted by /sending/
36:41 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:39 <CWheezy>       !roll 1d20+37
36:43 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:39 <dicebot>       CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=13] 50
40:02 <Avatar> I like this: 
40:02 <Avatar> [00:17] <CWheezy> you know that time doesn't actually stop
40:02 <Avatar> [00:17] <CWheezy> I just move fast
40:20 <Steven> yup
40:29 <Steven> and he kept saying nethys is omnipotent... which he isnt.
40:49 <Avatar> you guys go into justification a lot
41:05 <Avatar> after a certain amount of justifying, you just have to say "that's how I'm ruling it this time"
41:17 <Steven> yeah, i wasnt GM though.
41:19 <Avatar> and focus less on justifying from then on and more on moving on
42:49 <Steven> anyways
43:02 <Steven> so i went and downloaded neverwinter
43:08 <Steven> its not bad
43:20 <Avatar> commune is 1 question per round isn't it
43:24 <Avatar> isn't that RAI
43:33 <Avatar> 1 question/answer = 1 round
43:44 <Avatar> I've never seen it used in combat before
43:54 <Steven> it is intended to take a while to get your answers
44:10 <Steven> which is why there is a 10 minute cast time.
44:31 <Steven> it gets rules wonky when you wish-Commune
46:59 <Avatar> oh
47:08 <Avatar> how was he casting a 10 minute spell in 1d4+1 rounds
47:36 <Avatar> because wish is instant?
48:09 <Avatar> mekkis made a very fair call to say that you still can't get responses during time stop
48:34 <Avatar> the line gets blurry when you're talking to a god, but if that's the way he wants to lean, fair enough
49:06 <Steven> yeah, like i said, mekkis was generous, i wouldnt have allowed any answers until timestop was over
50:15 <Avatar> cwheezy was pretty clearly not understanding what was going on throughout this
50:37 <Avatar> he didn't know that combat rounds can occur when no combat is actually happening
51:41 <Avatar> it's messy in that it was one thing after another
51:51 <Avatar> not using quotes for his questions
52:10 <Avatar> he assumed his player-questions weren't going to be considered as commune-questions
52:21 <Avatar> that's where his bad faith came in, and that is bad faith 
54:01 <Avatar> there comes a point where you've got to step back and say "okay, this is how it'll work. you get all your answers at the end of time stop, combat rounds can happen just whenever time needs to be tracked, 1 question/answer per round for the purposes of this, use quotes when you're asking your commune questions, don't take too long with your thinking or I'll give you a warning where you'll have to 
54:01 <Avatar> delay if you take much longer"
56:07 <Mekkis> yeah
56:15 <Mekkis> Anyway, I am writing up the encounter
05:05 <Acentes> ?
08:09 <Steven> and im playing neverwinter
10:33 <Avatar> what
11:06 <Avatar> what is the question
11:55 <Acentes> just wondering because I am extremely confused Avatar
12:10 <Avatar> about what
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19:22 <Avatar> anyone know much about NINJA TRICKS
19:30 <Steven> yup
20:04 <Avatar> okay well I'm looking at WALL CLIMBER
20:09 <Avatar> which gives you a 20ft climb speed
20:17 <Avatar> what are the side effects of that, if any
22:03 <Steven> well .00002% of the time you may find yourself with an uncontrollable urge to wear red and blue spandex clothing
22:23 <Avatar> wut
22:26 <Avatar> you can't climb smooth surfaces
22:37 <Steven> you cannot climb perfectly smooth surfaces
22:47 <Avatar> ok what other benefits
22:50 <Steven> like a glass tower
24:34 <Avatar> okay, so
24:43 <Avatar> you wouldn't get a +8 bonus to climb
24:50 <Avatar> or always be able to take 10
25:00 <Avatar> or not lose your dex bonus while climbing
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30:55 <Steven> if you have a climb speed you retain your dex while climbing
31:11 <Steven> you do not have to make climb checks to climb
32:01 <Steven> under normal circumstances, like if a rockslide starts while your climbing a cliff that calls for a climb check... yeah you still have to make that
33:25 <Avatar> I think it's hugely situational but I can't find a combat feat I can use
33:52 <Steven> really? what level?
33:59 <Avatar> 8
34:26 <Steven> pure ninja?
34:49 <Avatar> archaeologist
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37:37 <Avatar> I wanted toughness but that's not a combat feat !
41:04 <Steven> do you have weapon focus?
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44:25 <Acentes> so how is everyone
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00:02 <Acentes> ok about to go live with my campain
00:07 <Acentes> campaign even
36:54 <Acentes> ?
37:23 <Acentes> how do I login again?
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09:54 <Avatar> you go to the site, put in your login details and click login
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31:01 <muslomboi> Yo dudes n dudettes
31:14 <muslomboi> yo all banging hard?
32:00 <muslomboi> my nights about to start with a bang
32:06 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@23f794af.bigpond.net.au
32:07 Avatar has kicked muslomboi from #d&d (bye)
40:05 <s_gmusic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ
40:06 <diebot> s_gmusic, (10hours) Lamb chop song that never ends
42:56 <Avatar> good one
44:03 <s_gmusic> some guys in my shop were talking about "annoying songs" earlier, and ranted about nyan cat.
44:33 <s_gmusic> not only did I play the original song the nyan.cat loop was from, I bet them $5 each I had something more annoying AND that it was older.
44:49 <s_gmusic> walked out with $30 after I played that for 4 minutes. >:D
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27:44 <Daspammerguy> ???
27:46 <Daspammerguy> hi
30:08 <Daspammerguy> is anyone there?
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55:44 <Steven> sup
15:41 <Avatar> nyan cat is more annoying than lamb chop
16:24 <Steven> indeed.
05:39 <Avatar> some interesting conversation going on about roleplay in the facebook group for PFS melbourne
09:05 <Steven> is it really that interesting?
10:27 <Avatar> very
10:32 <Avatar> I would not mention it otherwise
10:41 <Avatar> not only that
10:54 <Avatar> but if I were wrong I would tell you right now despite my pride 
12:23 <Steven> kick ass mang
12:59 <Avatar> ya
13:00 <Avatar> think about it
13:43 <Steven> I played my rage prophet today
13:46 <Steven> no credit
13:54 <Steven> cost me 2 prestige for a potion of remove curse
14:38 <Steven> but i got to insult a BBEG
14:51 <Steven> Cause it was ugly as fuck
15:03 <Steven> I was like DAMN! you ugly like yo momma!
15:20 <Steven> and the creature was like WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF MY MOTHER!
15:46 <Avatar> nice
15:54 <Avatar> do you know of a prestige class where you get to be a hellknight
16:09 <Steven> and so on my turn, i was like, I know she was so ugly your father took her to work with him so he didnt have to kiss her goodbye.
16:51 <Avatar> snap
17:06 <Steven> yeah, there are two of them where you are technically a hellknight
18:36 <Avatar> what book/s are they in
18:55 <Steven> inner sea world guide and paths of prestige
19:29 <Steven> one is named Hellknight
20:03 <Steven> and the other one is Hellknight signifier
21:42 <Avatar> interesting
21:56 <Steven> there was some serious bitching on the forums because hellknight signifier was originally going to be a reward if you played through the zarta thing.
22:13 <Avatar> I need to use those recommendations you gave me yesterday
22:24 <Steven> but people threw such a bitch mike opened them up.
22:28 <Avatar> with the spell changing thing, the book says you can only change a single spell?
22:41 <Steven> only a single spell every 3 levels i think
23:13 <Steven> the reason you should change them is because the DCs are low enough that they are really just wasting a turn for the most part.
23:22 <Avatar> so when I hit 8th level, I can only change one spell, right
23:28 <Steven> yup
23:38 <Avatar> I don't want to have to choose :o)
24:08 <Avatar> I'll probably grab liberating command, that seems a little too important
24:22 <Avatar> my character was the damage dealer yesterday
24:27 <Avatar> quite a turnaround from my old build
24:48 <Brunius> Avatar: 1pm
25:06 <Avatar> oh
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25:34 <Steven> so... i know you probably dont want to see this avatar.
25:36 <Steven> but....
25:54 <Steven> If you are a spontaneous spellcaster (such as a bard, oracle,  sorcerer, or summoner), you can retrain a spell known.  This retraining takes 2 days per spell level of the new spell  (or 1 day in the case of a cantrip or orison) and requires a  trainer who can cast the spell you want. The trainer must  cast the same kind of spells as you do (arcane or divine)
26:21 <Avatar> I can't retrain anymore man
26:28 <Avatar> I am holding my prestige for dear life
26:32 <Brunius> Sure you can
26:40 <Avatar> as it is I didn't spend as much as I was supposed to yesterday and things turned out very badly
27:01 <Steven> yeah you never got around to telling us what happened.
27:05 <Steven> spill the beans son!
27:11 <Avatar> I think half of you haven't played the scenario yet
27:22 <Avatar> scenarios
27:27 <Avatar> we played both fingerprints and fury
27:29 <Steven> so no specifics.
27:33 <Avatar> from bloody 10am to half past midnight
27:47 <Avatar> "it's only a season 0, it won't go long"
27:48 <Steven> wtf man....
27:59 <Avatar> it was treacherous
28:02 <Avatar> most treacherous
28:14 <Avatar> some doors are meant to be remain unopened
28:19 <Avatar> -be
30:17 <Steven> If memory serves.
30:28 <Steven> fury is the one where Honey almost died.
35:17 <Mekkis> do we have CWheezy back
37:30 <Brunius> I hope not
38:27 <Steven> no, he said he wouldnt be back today
38:34 <Steven> cause he was going to be 'busy'
41:42 <Steven> in other news i found an anger of the gods and a gift of immortality in a stack of commons/uncommons from the draft earlier in the day.
46:56 <Avatar> I can never tell if cwheezy is actually pissed off or just likes the debate
47:38 <Steven> last night.... pissed
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17:10 <Steven> sup lo lo
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14:59 <Mekkis> Avatar, did you see what happened last night?
15:18 <Mekkis> he managed to make a Surprise Round take over 40 minutes
16:24 <Steven> what were his spells prepared?
17:08 <Avatar> how did you manage that
17:27 <Mekkis> pretty simple. He kept bitching
17:47 <Mekkis> It was 'you're a diviner, you feel that initiative would be rolled'
17:58 <Mekkis> he gets a 45, casts time stop
18:09 <Mekkis> then starts trying to work out what to do
18:14 <Steven> my int is 32, i'm level 20, i have +20-30 to kn checks... i know all the spells that could ever be cast!!!!!!
18:36 <Mekkis> Steven, to be fair, his cheese did give him every 1-6th level spell
18:42 <Avatar> time stop doesn't last for 40 minutes
19:07 <Mekkis> 40 minutes real-time
19:47 <Avatar> you can make him delay if he takes too long
20:02 <Mekkis> he was claiming that that was 'bad faith'
20:06 <Steven> yeah, but saying i know ever spell that could ever be cast is a strech, considering they come out with 1-2 new spells with each publication
20:31 <Avatar> what's bad faith
21:02 <Steven> making him delay, not telling him a spell he cant see/hear being cast.
21:24 <Steven> basically anything that happened.
21:27 <Avatar> what has good/bad faith got to do with that
21:44 <Avatar> does he think that you think that he is mucking around specifically to stall for time
21:45 <Steven> i even invited another VO into the room to watch it.
22:15 <Avatar> I don't understand the issue
22:30 <Steven> well... he took 40 minutes agonizing of what to do in a surprise round.
22:45 <Steven> he decided to cast timestop, then commune.
22:49 <Steven> from wish
22:51 <Avatar> he shouldn't get 40 minutes 
23:03 <Avatar> he should get a reasonable amount of time, then you tell him make a decision quickly or you'll have to delay
23:05 <Steven> mekkis was super nice and let him actually ask questions
23:19 <Avatar> if he can't comprehend that, add an explanation about how that works, give him a bit of extra time to contemplate
23:31 <Avatar> that can't take more than 10
23:35 <Avatar> the game moves on
23:37 <Steven> because i would have been like, nope unable to communicate with anyone not effected by timestop
24:08 <Avatar> yeah
24:16 <Avatar> the only communication is between that player and the GM
24:22 <Avatar> I think? does time stop affect allies as well
24:23 <Mekkis> and he was like "now I can ask 20 questions"
24:30 <Mekkis> in one round
24:38 <Avatar> !spell time stop
24:45 <diebot> Avatar, TIME STOP transmutation ([]) sorcerer/wizard 9 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V Duration: 1d4+1 rounds (apparent time); see text Save:  SR:Source: PFRPG Core
24:45 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/time_stop.html
24:46 <Mekkis> then he got annoyed at the first question: 'am I under attack"
24:52 <Mekkis> with the response 'no'
25:13 <Avatar> was his situation clear
25:39 <Mekkis> of course not. He'd just known through diviner magic that a surprise round had occurred
25:55 <Avatar> what kind of diviner magic
26:06 <Steven> its the problem with being a diviner and going first in surprise round with a +25 init and auto 20s
26:19 <Mekkis> diviners always get to act in the surprise round
26:21 <Avatar> but you have to know what's happening for that
26:26 <Steven> diviner is a wizard school
26:29 <Mekkis> nope
26:37 <Avatar> surprise rounds aren't exactly tangible situations
26:37 <Steven> specialist
26:54 <Avatar> no surprise round happens if nothing actually happens
27:07 <Mekkis> something DID happen
27:15 <Mekkis> 40 minutes later, in the surprise round
27:16 <Avatar> then he has to know what it is
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27:31 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Dec 16 19:25:11 2013
27:35 <Mekkis> he did
27:41 <Steven> basically what happens with being a diviner is you get a feeling something is about to go south... earthquake, somebody stabbing you, a rat running across your foot.
27:42 <Mekkis> a Sending spell went off on him
27:56 <Mekkis> and he learnt "Hey, it's your mother. Why don't you ever come around"
28:11 <Avatar> how does that initiatite combat
28:20 <Brunius> maybe he doesn't like his mother
28:21 <Mekkis> then he was required to make a will save
28:50 <Mekkis> which, to be honest, I should have rolled without his knowledge, because then he started metagaming more
29:24 <Avatar> what happened then
29:26 <Mekkis> claiming that as a GM, I should be supplying him with an exhaustive list of Everything that was capable of forcing an interplanar will save
29:53 <Avatar> did he say exactly that
30:07 <Mekkis> not exactly that
30:09 <Steven> over the course of about 25 minutes.... yes.
30:14 <Brunius> <CWheezy> Mekkis,  as a GM, I should be supplying him with an exhaustive list of Everything that was capable of forcing an interplanar will save
30:25 <Brunius> something something logs
30:53 <Avatar> that doesn't sound right
30:58 <Avatar> it doesn't make sense
32:30 <Steven> there was a fair bit of what i assume is frustration and anger at that point.
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:02 <CWheezy>       it wasn't sending though, since I was mentally attacked by something
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:05 <Steven>        beast 1, 2, and 3.
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:28 <CWheezy>       ok so it will take me a while to read all these, since there is no easy way to search this way
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:53 <CWheezy>       search by spells they cast
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:48:56 <Mekkis>        you can't think of any specific monster that would do this
32:44 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:49:14 <CWheezy>       I don't want to look at bestiaries
33:47 <Avatar> read all of what
34:01 <Mekkis> the bestiaries
34:06 <Mekkis> and the spells
34:19 <Avatar> he responds to steven in that last line
34:21 <Mekkis> he felt he was entitled to know what was hitting him
34:36 <Avatar> what's before that
35:23 <Avatar> sec
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:35 <Mekkis>        you feel a tingle, but nothing happens
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:37 <Mekkis>        your turn
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:41 <CWheezy>       spellcraft
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:45 <CWheezy>       knowledge checks
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:43:55 <Mekkis>        make them
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:08 <Mekkis>        knowledge arcana
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:15 <CWheezy>       !roll 1d20+37
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:15 <dicebot>       CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=8] 45
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:19 <CWheezy>       45 spellcraft
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:28 <Mekkis>        seems like you were targetted by /sending/
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:39 <CWheezy>       !roll 1d20+37
35:33 <Mekkis> Dec 15 23:44:39 <dicebot>       CWheezy, 1d20+37: [1d20=13] 50
35:43 <Avatar> don't spam-paste, I've got the log
39:06 <Avatar> I like this: 
39:07 <Avatar> [00:17] <CWheezy> you know that time doesn't actually stop
39:07 <Avatar> [00:17] <CWheezy> I just move fast
39:25 <Steven> yup
39:34 <Steven> and he kept saying nethys is omnipotent... which he isnt.
39:54 <Avatar> you guys go into justification a lot
40:10 <Avatar> after a certain amount of justifying, you just have to say "that's how I'm ruling it this time"
40:21 <Steven> yeah, i wasnt GM though.
40:24 <Avatar> and focus less on justifying from then on and more on moving on
41:54 <Steven> anyways
42:07 <Steven> so i went and downloaded neverwinter
42:12 <Steven> its not bad
42:25 <Avatar> commune is 1 question per round isn't it
42:28 <Avatar> isn't that RAI
42:37 <Avatar> 1 question/answer = 1 round
42:49 <Avatar> I've never seen it used in combat before
42:59 <Steven> it is intended to take a while to get your answers
43:15 <Steven> which is why there is a 10 minute cast time.
43:36 <Steven> it gets rules wonky when you wish-Commune
46:03 <Avatar> oh
46:13 <Avatar> how was he casting a 10 minute spell in 1d4+1 rounds
46:40 <Avatar> because wish is instant?
47:13 <Avatar> mekkis made a very fair call to say that you still can't get responses during time stop
47:39 <Avatar> the line gets blurry when you're talking to a god, but if that's the way he wants to lean, fair enough
48:11 <Steven> yeah, like i said, mekkis was generous, i wouldnt have allowed any answers until timestop was over
49:19 <Avatar> cwheezy was pretty clearly not understanding what was going on throughout this
49:41 <Avatar> he didn't know that combat rounds can occur when no combat is actually happening
50:45 <Avatar> it's messy in that it was one thing after another
50:55 <Avatar> not using quotes for his questions
51:15 <Avatar> he assumed his player-questions weren't going to be considered as commune-questions
51:26 <Avatar> that's where his bad faith came in, and that is bad faith 
53:05 <Avatar> there comes a point where you've got to step back and say "okay, this is how it'll work. you get all your answers at the end of time stop, combat rounds can happen just whenever time needs to be tracked, 1 question/answer per round for the purposes of this, use quotes when you're asking your commune questions, don't take too long with your thinking or I'll give you a warning where you'll have to 
53:06 <Avatar> delay if you take much longer"
55:12 <Mekkis> yeah
55:19 <Mekkis> Anyway, I am writing up the encounter
07:14 <Steven> and im playing neverwinter
18:26 <Avatar> anyone know much about NINJA TRICKS
18:34 <Steven> yup
19:09 <Avatar> okay well I'm looking at WALL CLIMBER
19:13 <Avatar> which gives you a 20ft climb speed
19:21 <Avatar> what are the side effects of that, if any
21:08 <Steven> well .00002% of the time you may find yourself with an uncontrollable urge to wear red and blue spandex clothing
21:27 <Avatar> wut
21:30 <Avatar> you can't climb smooth surfaces
21:42 <Steven> you cannot climb perfectly smooth surfaces
21:51 <Avatar> ok what other benefits
21:54 <Steven> like a glass tower
23:39 <Avatar> okay, so
23:48 <Avatar> you wouldn't get a +8 bonus to climb
23:54 <Avatar> or always be able to take 10
24:05 <Avatar> or not lose your dex bonus while climbing
41:08 <***> Buffer Playback...
41:08 <***> Playback Complete.
41:35 <Steven> !findchar James
41:44 <diebot> Steven, Character: James, number: 413867( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413867 )
41:45 <Steven> !fchar james
42:42 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
43:26 <Steven> yeah why not get weapon focus?
43:51 <Steven> or dodge
43:59 <Avatar> I don't really need weapon focus
44:09 <Avatar> dodge is a bit redundant I think
44:33 <Avatar> if I was going to get more stuff to add to AC, very maybe, but I'm not doing that
44:36 <Steven> well, with dodge you go to mobility and then spring attack
44:49 <Avatar> I don't want to spring attack, I want to full attack
45:03 <Steven> and then you swift action luck, spring attack-butterfly sting
45:15 <Avatar> ooo
45:20 <Avatar> that's not a bad idea actually
45:32 <Avatar> but I still want to full attack
45:50 <Steven> hmmm.
45:57 <Avatar> moving between swift actions for luck and arcane strike is a pain in the ass
46:22 <Avatar> it's like the different attacks on my gunslinger I have set out, except it happens every fucking round
47:12 <Brunius> Paladins have like six class abilities tied to swift actions
47:17 <Steven> too bad you already retrained... i have a funny build for ya.
47:19 <Brunius> It's also a pain in the ass
47:24 <Avatar> they only need one - lay on hands
47:30 <Brunius> Smite?
47:44 <Avatar> if I build a paladin, it'll have 3rd level feat: extra lay on hands
47:48 <Avatar> 5th level feat: extra lay on hands
47:52 <Avatar> 7th, 9th, 11th, etc
48:08 <Avatar> swift action no provoke self healing? cmon
48:11 <Steven> HA if anyone has the right to bitch about swift action limitations its inquisitors.
48:32 <Avatar> it's archaeologist bards man
48:41 <Avatar> it takes 3 or 4 rounds to "charge up"
49:00 <Avatar> first round, archaeologist luck, hit
49:08 <Avatar> second round, haste, hit
49:14 <Avatar> third round good hope, hit
49:18 <Avatar> fourth round, arcane strike, hit
49:34 <Avatar> that's not quite right, fourth round is a.luck again because it only lasts that long
49:58 <Avatar> before the arcane strikes can come out
50:03 <Steven> yeah thats nice.
50:25 <Avatar> boots of speed are nice actually, that's a free action haste
50:36 <Avatar> which I sorely needed with only 2 3rd level slots
50:40 <Avatar> and good hope being one of them
50:47 <Avatar> that spell is a lifesaver
51:02 <Avatar> I don't know how heroism is any good in comparison
51:06 <Avatar> !spell heroism
51:07 <diebot> Avatar, HEROISM enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, alchemist 3, summoner 3, witch 3, inquisitor 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: 10 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
51:07 <diebot> This spell imbues a single creature with great bravery and morale in battle. The target gains a +2 morale bonus on attack rolls, saves, and skill checks.
51:17 <Steven> heroism lasts significantly longer
51:19 <Avatar> a single creature, fuck off
51:27 <Avatar> pathfinder is a team game
52:01 <Steven> its something you throw up at the beginning of a dungeon so that you dont have to burn a standard action to get yourself 'charge up"
52:58 <Avatar> it's worth burning a turn for the whole party to benefit
54:04 <Steven> i think that is dependent on how many damage dealers you have, if its just you and 3 other back line casters +2 to saves isnt worth a standard action
55:18 <Steven> Good hope is great if you've an extra turn to burn, like you got in on a surprise round
55:48 <Avatar> yeah it's never just one meleer
56:02 <Steven> now you're doomed to be the only meleer next game.
00:24 <Avatar> I found out yesterday that adamantine weapons dont' cover cold iron and silver DR
00:37 <Avatar> I was under the impression adamantine cancelled them out
00:53 <Avatar> otherwise I might not have bought a scimitar made of adamantine
04:53 <Steven> +1 magic +2 Silver +3 cold Iron +4 Adamantine +5 Alignment
05:08 <Steven> otherwise material only bypasses specific DR
05:21 <Brunius> Where is that Steven
05:27 <Brunius> People keep telling me that isn't a thing
05:36 <Steven> what isnt a thing?
07:30 <Avatar> what is +1 magic +2 silver etc
07:44 <Steven> weapon enhancement bonus'
07:47 <Avatar> the number bonus bypasses the material?
08:12 <Avatar> that wasn't how I understood it
08:25 <Steven> yeah and they are cumulative, so a +5 weapon will bypass magic, silver cold iron, adamantine and alignment based DR
08:29 <Avatar> I knew +3 overcomes silver and cold iron, didn't know about +2
08:41 <Avatar> +5 overcoming alignment rings a bell
08:58 <Brunius> yeah that's it
08:58 <Avatar> where's this in the CRB
09:03 <Brunius> where is that steven
09:50 <Steven> oh hell if i know, let me go read a bit see if i can find it/
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11:34 <Steven> im going to guess its under DR or magic weapons
13:55 <Steven> oh i was wrong, +2 doesnt overcome anything, but avatar was, +3 is coldiron/silver
14:53 <Steven> so +1 Magic, +3 Coldiron/Silver +4 Adamantine, +5 Alignment.
15:08 <Steven> page 562 of the core
16:06 <Steven> and i heard somewhere that +6 overcomes Epic, but i dont know where that ruling might be
17:50 <Steven> im going to guess a bestiary 
18:05 <Steven> since thats where dr/epic was first mentioned
18:07 <Mekkis> +6 effective overcomes epic
18:10 <Mekkis> as per FAQ
18:23 <Mekkis> a +5 flaming weapon overcomes epic
20:29 <Steven> thats with the +equivalent rule in mythic right?
21:09 <Steven> i wonder if thats actually legal in pfs since the book was excluded from PFS completely
22:36 <Steven> god.... that thread of new round of race openings is up to 439 posts
23:12 <Steven> imma go catch up on the last 70 posts
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