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42:42 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
48:00 <Steven> sup peoples.
50:03 <Steven> merry christmas
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33:59 <Steven> !rand eat presents
34:00 <dicebot> Steven, random: presents
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21:18 <Heimstein> Hi
06:30 <Heimstein> anyone on?
20:27 <Avatar> zzzz
22:16 <Heimstein> sleep tight *tucks in Avatar* should i leave the light in the hallway on?
27:32 <Heimstein> Can't register with the webiste =/ no validation email coming
31:24 <Avatar> it's 6am
31:41 <Avatar> did you check your junk mail folder
32:36 <Heimstein> it's empty. it's not send automatically?
42:16 <Avatar> it does get sent automatically
42:19 <Avatar> when did you register
43:15 <Heimstein> maybe 1-2 hours ago
45:26 <Avatar> give it some more time, might be slow
47:36 <Heimstein> okay^^
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17:24 <Mekkis> Avatar, you were potentially wrong
22:45 <philderb1ast> anyone interested in a game today?
24:44 <philderb1ast> hmmmm prehaps not, the only thing all 3 of us that are active can play is the confirmation
46:21 <Avatar> wrong about what
25:38 <Mekkis> <Avatar> he won't be back
33:49 <Avatar> well, sort of
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48:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, can I give 98.145.0.0/16 a +b for christmas please?
04:32 <Kuzuha> wat
08:37 <Avatar> NO
24:53 <Brunius|M> Why are you wanting to give an entire subnet a ban
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44:14 <hazza> happy easter]]
44:42 <hazza> good morning]
44:54 <hazza> giig morningg]
45:03 <hazza> hullo?????????????????????
45:19 <hazza> view hullooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
47:32 * Avatar sets ban on *!*@714f097e.bigpond.net.au
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50:23 <Steven> sup
04:01 <Mekkis> why not, Avatar?
05:21 <Avatar> why
06:37 <Mekkis> It will likely improve this channel
07:11 <Mekkis> that subnet contains the scum of roleplaying in this channel
10:23 <Steven> need to find a new anime to watch.  watching the last episode now.
30:14 <Brunius|M> Snk
30:50 <Brunius|M> Mekkis, CWheezy has already ragequit
31:07 <Brunius|M> Steven: Shingeki no kyojin?
31:44 <Steven> yeah thats the anime thats ended.
31:58 <Steven> by that i mean i've watched it all
31:59 <Brunius|M> Mondaiji tachi ga isekai kara kuru sou desu yo?
32:21 <Brunius|M> Guilty crown?
32:31 <Brunius|M> Sword art online?
32:47 <Steven> is okay, i already found another one.
33:38 <Brunius|M> Which is?
35:16 <Steven> chrome shelled regios
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19:03 <Avatar> Mekkis: you might ban legitimate players
53:31 Damalon01 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
53:32 <Mekkis> that's unlikely, but I can make it more specific if you're concerned
53:45 <Damalon01> hi all
54:11 <Mekkis> hi
14:52 <Damalon01> so whats going on this fine Boxing Day?
21:45 <philderb1ast> about that much
27:00 <Mekkis> oh, a little fuming
34:21 <Damalon01> hmmm?
41:24 <Mekkis> I'm considering Mike Brock's suggestion that if I think that new PFS rules that are being added are becoming increasingly petty, I should consider a new hobby...
43:13 <philderb1ast> was that a forum post thing? or a messge to you specificly?
43:37 <philderb1ast> just interested in what people are complaining about
43:39 <Mekkis> it was a PM to me specifically. Although he did make a forum post as well
48:57 <Mekkis> basically, I was saying that, with regards to custom online chronicle sheets, that the ruling he made was petty and should have been unnecessary
49:57 <Mekkis> I made a remark that better use of his time would be releasing more scenarios
50:24 <Mekkis> which was probably uncalled for
51:11 <Avatar> I think it was more the "stop making stupid rules" that got your remark misinterpreted
51:42 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if it was a misinterpretation
51:52 <Avatar> well I'm trying to be polite
52:10 <philderb1ast> having not read your post, i can understand why that ruling was made though, if people are making mistakes when making custom chronicals it's going to end badly
52:23 <Avatar> have you been modifying chronicles
52:27 <Mekkis> problem here is obviously the mistakes
52:40 <Mekkis> not modifying them. I've been adding roleplaying notes to them
52:49 <Mekkis> like is encouraged
53:08 <Mekkis> and I'm using the official fonts, because that seems appropriate
53:11 <Avatar> I don't know if it's encouraged when it's indistinguishable from the chronicle sheet font
53:27 <Avatar> maybe that's a question worth asking while the topic has come up
55:05 <Mekkis> also the whole uptiering stuff
55:08 <Mekkis> seriously
55:38 <Mekkis> so now players don't have the freedom to choose to uptier, in order to prevent some people bullying other people into playing up
56:10 <Mekkis> as a result, a VC's told me not to bring a certain character to a game, because they're not allowed to uptier and it will be boring for three out of five characters.
57:10 <Mekkis> they went to a lot of effort making the secondary success conditions, and threw out countless hours of development work on the previous faction missions...
58:04 <Avatar> they threw out the mechanic
58:08 <Avatar> you can still do the faction missions
58:13 <philderb1ast> to be honest, its really not good form to bring a character that out of subtier to a table if you can avoid it IMO, it usually will ruin the scenario for some people at the table, if you play up the low teirs usually end up having to spend the whole table hiding, and if you dont the high players just slaughter things....
58:53 <Avatar> I think the table should still be allowed to choose to play down
59:12 <Avatar> the whole point of the rule was to avoid playing up and making munchkins
59:20 <Avatar> that doesn't apply to playing down
59:35 <Mekkis> people are trying to 'make cons big again' because there is now big issues finding scenarios to run.
59:49 <Mekkis> the solution, as I see it, is to create more scenarios
00:17 <philderb1ast> true, but how many scenarios do you have to make to out write your players?
00:18 <Mekkis> Statistics are showing that most players only play 2/month. Perhaps this is because they don't want to run out
01:19 <Avatar> that's one possible reason
01:25 <philderb1ast> for some players that possibly true.
01:38 <philderb1ast> 2 a month is ususally all i get to play due to time though
01:40 <Mekkis> philderb1ast, we don't know. We do know that quite a few places do PFS on a weekly basis. We do know that at a con, you'll be playing up to 9 scenarios over a three-day weekend
02:14 <Mekkis> we do know that the challenge is not just finding a scenario you haven't played, but also one that a whole table hasn't played
02:37 philderb1ast is now known as philderbeast
02:44 <Avatar> paizo should develop their own scenario tracker
03:10 <philderbeast> but thats not an issue that every going to go away
03:20 <philderbeast> regardless of how mnay they release
03:34 <philderbeast> unless you have a group that always plays together its always going to happen
03:44 <Mekkis> philderbeast, true. But the number of people it affects will be lower
05:40 <philderbeast> they would have to drasticly increase the number of new scenarios being written for that to happen though as it only takes one person to have to have played a senario for that to happen
05:53 <Mekkis> in 2008, they released 28 scenarios. In 2009, they released 28 scenarios. In 2010, they released 26 scenarios, plus Year of the Shadow Lodge.
06:23 <Mekkis> and Midnight Mauler
07:04 <Mekkis> in 2011, they released 25 scenarios, plus Blood under Absalom and Cyphermage Dilemma
07:45 <Mekkis> in 2012, they released 25 scenarios, plus Day of the Demon, Bonekeep I, and Race for Runecarved Key
08:40 <Mekkis> in the meantime, their player base has increased from just over 10000 in 2009, to over 110000 in 2013 - an elevenfold increase.
09:37 <Mekkis> but no additional scenarios. They said, in 2011, that they were increasing it to 3/month.
11:38 <Avatar> the increased player base has no effect, they'll be playing the same older scenarios
12:20 <Avatar> although they should be selling more scenarios to be able to take on more writers
12:29 <Mekkis> you'd think so
12:45 <Mekkis> the other thing is that rules creep in pathfinder's almost outpacing 3.5e
13:36 <philderbeast> also looking on the site you (who have been playing for 3 years) still has ~50 scenarios you havent played.... sure they may not be getting run regularly, but that just means you need to work with the VC to try and get some on the sceduale, and/or try orginising some events etc for your self to help out
13:59 <philderbeast> thats how i have got to play have the scenarios that i have managed to do, was getting a group for myself to let me play
14:45 <philderbeast> im sure there are somt people that have played everything out there, but i cant imagine there are very many of them
15:20 <Mekkis> philderbeast, closer to 35, once you discount Eyes of the Ten
16:04 <Avatar> impossible to find a group for eyes of the ten
16:21 <philderbeast> still thats plenty of game days... and eyes is being played at cancon.... so you can get that there
17:06 <Mekkis> more to the point, philderbeast... How many level 1-5 and 1-7s do I have available?
17:08 <philderbeast> and i have seen an eveys group in the last few months in the PFSOC so not impossible
17:28 <philderbeast> 8....
17:50 <philderbeast> so possible to get a new lvl 3 to run through some higher with 1 more release....
18:20 <philderbeast> sure your not going to get a lot of low level tables, but like i said ask around for players for a high level one
18:31 <philderbeast> brb
18:40 <Mekkis> Many Fortunes, Amoung the Dead, Darkest Vengeance (which I've GMed), First Steps 1 (which I have all but memorised), First Steps II (which is retired), Veteran's Vault (which I've GMed), and Confirmation
18:56 <Mekkis> I can count three, plus three I've GMed.
18:58 <Avatar> what's cancon
19:09 <Mekkis> it's a con in Canberra that I won't be attending
19:16 <Avatar> why not
19:23 <Mekkis> I'd rather go to Arcanacon
19:32 <Avatar> is it on at the same time
19:35 <Mekkis> yes
19:44 <Avatar> arcanacon wins
19:50 <Mekkis> indeed
19:57 <Avatar> what is it about arcanacon
19:58 <Mekkis> I'm not doing three scenarios a day again
20:06 <Avatar> forget that
20:13 <Mekkis> I prefer playing PFS with the Melbourne guys
20:31 <Avatar> arcanacon always seems better than unicon or conquest
20:35 <Mekkis> I'd prefer one room per table, rather than everyone in a massive hall
20:49 <Mekkis> I thought conquest was the best of the three
21:10 <Avatar> I think arcanacon is at melbourne high this year
21:21 <Mekkis> that's great news
21:36 <Avatar> yeah our backs won't hurt on those awful chairs in collingwood
21:50 <Mekkis> and the awful distance to get to Collingwood
22:16 <Avatar> like that matters, everyone's always late !
22:33 <Mekkis> it does when you don't have a car in Melbourne
25:16 <philderbeast> am i reading the melb games days right that boxkill is on sunday and gg melb on the tuesday?
25:50 <Mekkis> sounds about right
27:31 <Mekkis> philderbeast, when are you leaving Canberra?
28:33 <philderbeast> 17 feb i star course 
28:51 <philderbeast> ~ 5 weeks in sydney then down to melbourn till ~ 11 jul
28:56 <philderbeast> no idea where ill be after that
30:52 <Mekkis> fun fact: when the Advanced Class Guide comes out next year, Pathfinder will have more base classes (in 5 years) than 3.5e ever did...
31:19 <philderbeast> yea not sure what i think of so many base classes....
32:01 <Mekkis> something like "there's no way all of that can be balanced"?
32:32 <philderbeast> perfect balance is less of a concern to me then unique flavor for the classes
32:48 <Mekkis> I strongly agree with that statement
33:37 <Mekkis> something like "this will be an issue: how am I as a GM supposed to know what each class can do"
34:08 <philderbeast> short answer... you dont....
34:33 <philderbeast> at some point you have to trust your players, and ask then where some things come from if it sounds particularly outragious
35:39 <Mekkis> I do trust my players. The problem is when they don't approach in good faith.
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58:54 <Brunius|M> philderbeast: I think that's right for Melbourne games
03:46 <philderbeast>    cool i shoul be able to make at least some of the sunday games then
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35:45 <Brunius|M> Avatar: Will you marry me?
41:27 <Mekkis> Brunius|M, how much have you had to drink?
41:39 <Brunius|M> Nothing alcoholic
42:05 <Mekkis> is arcanacon on warhorn yet?
42:18 <Brunius|M> Haven't checked
42:37 <Brunius|M> Is it on that other system they use?
42:51 <Brunius|M> Aon?
43:48 <Mekkis> I thought they used aon for rego, and warhorn for mustering, which IMO is more important
45:59 <Brunius|M> Yeah
46:04 <Brunius|M> They do
48:21 <Mekkis> AON's not up yet
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