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15:30 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA - tell us what levels you have and when you can play || WotW: Sat 7th 1.30pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
15:30 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Aug 24 15:04:02 2013
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17:48 <Mekkis> why should it be in the PFS forum. It's a Pathfinder rule.
19:59 <Mekkis> CWheezy22, give me a link
23:53 <Yuugi> Hi.
24:02 <Ultio_> Yo
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28:07 <Yuugi> Wassup?
28:34 <Ultio_> Delaying studying
28:43 <Ultio_> because Im lazy
29:07 <Ultio_> you?
37:52 <Yuugi> Birthday!
42:17 <Yuugi> Though right now I'm watching anime.
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49:30 <Mekkis> and if you're referring to http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pmzd?Reference-for-Light-and-Darkness-in-PFS please note that it's 500 odd posts with no real conclusion
57:40 <Ultio_> Still 23:56 here
57:47 <Ultio_> so you got 4 minutes!
58:17 <Yuugi> It's almost 1 am here
58:20 <Yuugi> So it's already the day.
58:39 <Ultio_> nope 3 minutes
58:49 <Ultio_> it doesnt count until I say so
59:33 <Steven> dinner is good.
59:33 <Ultio_> So no big plans?
59:46 <Steven> so... hows it goin.
00:34 <Mekkis> More to the point, that thread was written BEFORE the last round of FAQing
00:46 <Ultio_> Well anyway Happy Birthday and cheers!
02:22 <Yuugi> Thanks
05:05 <Ultio> workin
05:11 <Ultio> its fianlly my friday
07:03 <Steven> kick ass.
09:39 <Ultio> yeah 84 hour work week is rough
10:29 <Steven> woot woot
11:28 <Ultio> bout to make some good monies though
16:52 <Steven> kickin
18:24 <spider21b> hi
18:58 <spider21b> how many spells do i get per level?
19:10 <Steven> depends on your stuff
19:16 <spider21b> as a wizard level 4
19:24 <spider21b> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=490344
19:26 <Steven> specialist?
19:29 <spider21b> trans
23:08 <Steven> your dcs seem kinda high.
24:48 <Steven> i gotta take my dogs out, will be back to help.
41:48 <Steven> alright im back!
44:18 <Steven> so, how did you get 5 cantrips?
48:34 <Steven> pretty quiet in here tonight
57:32 <Ultio> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
59:08 <Ultio> loud enough?
59:19 <Steven> nope
59:37 <Steven> i used to live next door to a death metal band
59:54 <Ultio> i cant get that loud
35:24 <Steven> wizard level 8 now
37:26 <Ultio_> nice
37:29 <Steven> so... i need someone to help me.
37:33 <Ultio_> with
37:35 <Ultio_> ?.
37:39 <Steven> I dont know if im munchkin.
37:48 <Steven> level 8.... 30 int... too much?
37:51 <Ultio_> You want to be more munchkinesque?
38:02 <Ultio_> or less?
38:15 * Steven flexes! 
38:46 <Ultio_> so more?
38:55 <Steven> no i was just boasting.
39:01 <Ultio_> oh haha
39:08 <Ultio_> how do you have 30 int?
39:13 <Ultio_> just curious
40:16 <Steven> i cant tell you.
40:32 <Ultio_> ill let you kill me after
40:50 <Steven> but avatar and mekkis bitch at me when i tell people how to munchkin
41:40 <Steven> i blew a bunch of boons is mostly it.
43:10 <Ultio_> ahh
43:25 <Ultio_> and it's not like I play with you guys anyway so who cares?
55:45 <Steven> thinkin of getting enervation...
55:58 <Steven> but it is terrible if you roll a 1
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03:09 <Ultio_> what happens if you roll a one? it doesnt say anything
03:30 <Steven> they only get 1 negative level.
03:31 <Ultio_> Just says it is ranged touch
03:45 <Ultio_> oh well still that is decent
03:58 <Steven> for it to be really effective you need it maximized.
04:13 <Ultio_> well duh
04:23 <Ultio_> most spells are like that
04:55 <Ultio_> how would that work against an anti pally?
05:15 <Ultio_> siince they get healed by dark energy would they take the bonus HP?
05:23 <Ultio_> or would the neg levels still affect them
05:53 <Ultio_> negatvie energy*
06:08 <Brunius> negative levels still affect them
06:32 <Ultio_> through enervation though
07:47 <Brunius> !spell enervation
07:59 <diebot> Brunius, ENERVATION necromancy ([]) sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)  Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
07:59 <diebot> You point your finger and fire a black ray of negative energy that suppresses the life force of any living creature it strikes. You must make a ranged touch attack to hit. If you hit, the subject gains 1d4 temporary negative levels (see Appendix 1). Negative levels stack. Assuming the subject survives, it regains lost levels after a number of hours
07:59 <diebot> equal to your caster level (maximum 15 hours). Usually, negative levels have a chance of becoming permanent, but the negative levels from enervation don't last long enough to do so. An undead creature struck by the ray gains 1d4 x 5 temporary hit points for 1 hour.
08:25 <Brunius> !?undead
08:41 <Steven> anti paladins dont get healed by negative energy
08:53 <Steven> sorry back
09:09 <Steven> so unless they are a dhampir antipaladin
09:14 <Brunius> The way I see it, that 'ray of negative energy' section is just fluff
09:22 <Ultio_> yeah
09:31 <Brunius> even if those are operative words
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13:02 <Ultio_> I couldhave sworn anti pallys are healed through neg energy as if undead
18:03 <Yiroep> Woohoo. 23 more hours til I am off for the weekend for Dragon Con!
32:12 <Steven> yeah i dont see it mang.
32:28 <Ultio_> yeah it's in 3.5
32:33 <Ultio_> from lvl 2 on
33:33 <Ultio_> In my last evil campaign I think since it says his ToC heals Undead, and LoH heals that presumably the Antipally would still be able to heal himself with ToC making Negative Engery Heal him instead
33:54 <Ultio_> A Pally can heal himself*
34:33 <Ultio_> I honestly would have sworn I read it on d20pfsrd, but I guess I was wrong.
35:59 <Steven> bored
37:39 <Steven> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lf8m?Advanced-Class-Guide#discuss
37:43 <Steven> mmmmmmm yeah
40:16 <Ultio_> bloodrager/warpriest looks legit
43:49 <Ultio> me 2
44:12 <Avatar> not me
48:55 <Steven> my gaming friends are all offline.
49:02 <Steven> well to be accurate they are headed to pax.
52:23 <Avatar> I'm going to miss out on playing feast of sigils yet again at this con
52:33 <Avatar> unless I run two games in a day which I really really don't want to do
54:08 <Steven> best get on it yo!
54:49 <Avatar> get on what
56:13 <Steven> running two games in a day
56:47 <Avatar> no forget that
57:01 <Steven> and thats why we cant have nice things avatar....
58:38 <Avatar> what are you on about
58:57 <Avatar> brunius / Spaceshot_tm2_: you going to unicon?
59:03 <Brunius> when is it
59:09 <Avatar> mid october
59:16 <Brunius> give me a day bro
59:21 <Avatar> sorry, early
59:26 <Avatar> oct 4-6
59:31 <Avatar> friday till sunday
59:36 <Avatar> 3 games and the special
59:52 <Avatar> lots of season 5 by the look of it
00:18 <Brunius> My parent's aren't gonna like that
00:26 <Brunius> parents*
00:34 <Brunius> Last weekend before school goes back
00:44 <Avatar> tell em it's for pathfinder
00:50 <Avatar> they'll understand
00:52 <Brunius> about a month before year 12 exams, too
01:07 <Avatar> you won't remember anything you study a month beforehand
01:23 <Brunius> maybe I will
01:28 <Avatar> well you might
01:35 <Brunius> $60 for the weekend?
01:44 <Avatar> but don't you want to be remembering the epic battles fought in fangwood keep
01:52 <Avatar> no idea what the cost is
03:39 <Brunius> $45 for the weekend
03:41 <Brunius> it's on aon
08:05 <Brunius> oh wait theros prerelease is earlier that month
08:10 <Brunius> I might not be able to make it
10:58 <Mekkis> Brunius, you should tell them
11:10 <Brunius> Who, in particular
11:33 <Mekkis> "Either you let me go to unicon, or you send me up to Brisbane for PaizoConOz, after year 12 exams"
11:46 <Brunius> I have year 11 exams after year 12 exams
11:52 <Brunius> So that isn't gonna work this year at least
12:33 <Brunius> Looks like the only evening game is the saturday though so it should be okay
12:42 <Mekkis> oh wow
12:54 <Mekkis> Nokia's offering Achievements and XP to developers
12:56 <Mekkis> !!!
12:59 <Brunius> ...
13:23 <Mekkis> What is DVLUP?
13:23 <Mekkis> DVLUP is an exciting new rewards program for Nokia developers. DVLUP lets you earn
13:23 <Mekkis> and redeem points for rewards [wl4.peer360.com] such as the latest Nokia devices,
13:23 <Mekkis> accessories, promotional opportunities for your app and more.
13:31 <Mekkis>  
13:32 <Mekkis> How does it work?
13:33 <Mekkis> DVLUP awards you XP (experience points) when you complete DVLUP Challenges. A DVLUP
13:33 <Mekkis> Challenge can be completed by taking a quiz, developing an app or game, improving an
13:33 <Mekkis> app, or achieving levels of success with your app in the store. Once you’ve earned
13:34 <Mekkis> your XP, you can redeem the XP for valuable rewards [wl4.peer360.com].
15:02 <Mekkis> Anyone got any ideas for doing some PFSing in Melbourne around the 20th of December?
15:16 <Brunius> I'll be in Canberra at that point :P
15:30 <Mekkis> from when to when?
20:18 <Brunius> Don't know, my dad still hasn't applied for leave
20:23 <Brunius> 21st to 25th at the very least
22:07 <Mekkis> check this out: http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio
23:09 <Brunius> pfft, Go To Hell
23:15 <Brunius> it's not like one goto will harm you...
23:23 <Mekkis> I used a goto today
23:32 <Brunius> http://xkcd.com/292/
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23:47 <Brunius> I can never get them to compile :(
23:48 <***> Playback Complete.
23:57 <Mekkis> gotos?
24:01 <Brunius> yeah
24:02 <Mekkis> what's the issue?
24:14 <Brunius> I think the arduino IDE strongly discourages them through not compiling them
24:19 <Mekkis> the label needs to be in the same function, you know.
24:28 <Brunius> yeah
24:30 <CWheezy22> you could get a luckston
24:35 <CWheezy22> those are nice
24:44 <Mekkis> (if you want to jump between functions, use longjmp() )
24:51 <Steven> just playin around man.
24:58 <Brunius> I haven't needed to jump between functions yet
25:03 <Steven> pffffft hell no.
25:10 <Mekkis> what are you using goto for?
26:28 <Brunius> Don't remember, I think I ended up sidestepping it by using far too many while loops
26:29 <Steven> that makes my character better
26:30 <Mekkis> (there ARE reasons to use goto. There aren't many.)
26:38 <Mekkis> what are you coding?!
26:53 <Brunius> Trying to get a robot to play a truncated soccer
27:39 <Mekkis> why all the whiles?
28:24 <Mekkis> DarkKapow, see you in Brisbane :)
28:36 <Mekkis> I imagine Ballig will come out this weekend
28:52 <Brunius> I think it was while (ball not found), rotate, while (ball found), go towards, while (ball captured) rotate to face north
29:02 <Brunius> I don't remember where in that I needed a goto
29:09 <Brunius> I may have restructured to avoid it
30:32 <Mekkis> do you follow the dailywtf, Brunius ?
30:41 <Brunius> nope
30:52 <Steven> my character has to have terrible defense and moderate saves or he will be too stupid.
30:56 <Mekkis> http://omg2.thedailywtf.com/
31:22 <CWheezy22> doesn't increase your saves
31:31 <CWheezy22> just skill points and ability checks
31:57 <Avatar> hadn't you played fingerprints of the fiend before
32:14 <Steven> +1 luck bonus on saving throws, ability checks, and skill checks.
33:31 <Steven> i have, i used replay credit
34:39 <Avatar> is it that good
34:52 <Avatar> that reminds me
35:01 <Avatar> what is good in the pathfinder society primer exactly
35:13 <Avatar> I had a look at an overview and it didn't seem like anything interesting
35:18 <Avatar> the archetype in there is ho hum
35:27 <CWheezy22> aren't the totally broken caster feats in there
35:39 <Avatar> ohhhhh
35:39 <CWheezy22> like the sorc one where you get all the spells on your list all the time
35:50 <Avatar> that's why you like it
36:15 <Steven> i played it again
36:26 <Steven> because the enemy at the end is totally sweet.
36:27 <CWheezy22> and then the super joke martial feats
36:42 <CWheezy22> such as "Ready an action as a fullround instead of a standard!!!!"
36:51 <CWheezy22> doesn't that seems like a great thing
39:15 <Avatar> why would anyone take a feat that makes you ready as a full round instead of a standard
39:23 <Avatar> is that to ready a full round attack?
40:13 <Steven> no you can ready a standard as a fullround and get a +2 to the attack
40:40 <Steven> its a horrible feat
41:58 <CWheezy22> yes it makes you worse at readying actions
42:04 <CWheezy22> well
42:07 <CWheezy22> readying attacks
42:20 <CWheezy22> so that's pretty nice
42:29 <Avatar> I might play Cairo for the harder scenarios like waking rune and wrath of the accursed
42:56 <Avatar> maybe you should run it in here
43:01 <Avatar> mekkis wants to play it
43:09 <Avatar> and I have a 7-11 or 4
44:39 <Mekkis> moin
44:42 <Avatar> anyone got a copy of the PFS primer they can send
44:52 <Brunius> Which is that
45:00 <Avatar> shalom !!
45:15 <Avatar> it's the replacement for the field guide
45:21 <Brunius> nah
45:28 <Brunius> is it part of the core assumption now?
45:45 <Avatar> no they made the core assumption more lenient
45:55 <Avatar> the field guide is out and the primer didn't replace it
56:50 <Mekkis> I might go to Melbourne near the end of this year
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59:24 <Mekkis> Australia was the first Commonwealth nation to fire shots in both World War I and World War II. What's even more interesting is that both times they were fired by the same gun at the same fort for the same reason.
01:16 <Avatar> for unicon or sheepcon
01:40 <Mekkis> probably later than that
01:42 <Mekkis> December
01:49 <Mekkis> how long is Sheepcon?
02:11 <Avatar> one day
02:34 <Mekkis> I MIGHT come for unicon, IFF I can find someone to share driving
03:51 <Avatar> ask ballig
04:27 <Mekkis> how?
05:13 <Avatar> he's right there
05:18 <Mekkis> where?
05:22 <Avatar> ---------->
05:28 <Avatar> and up and to the right a bit
05:47 <Mekkis> he's always nonresponsive while I'm within 100km of him
06:12 <Avatar> maybe send him an email
06:24 <Avatar> and if he replies then vote for him
06:35 <Avatar> or if he hasn't listed his email, forget about it
06:40 <Mekkis> I don't think I have his address
06:48 <Avatar> he's lost your vote !
10:01 <Mekkis> is he even contesting a seat?
10:13 <Avatar> but it doesn't even make sense!
10:34 <Steven> DEAL WITH IT!
10:41 <Avatar> :|
11:27 <Steven> hahahaha
11:31 <Steven> okay, think imma get this.
11:32 <Steven> Dragonbane Divination Sticks
17:58 <CWheezy22> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/darkness
18:25 <CWheezy22> oh, here is the proof of heightened continual flame beating darkness
18:45 <CWheezy22> Magical light sources only increase the light level in an area if they are of a higher spell level than darkness.
18:52 <CWheezy22> deeper darkness works as darkness
19:07 <CWheezy22> and heighten continual flame counts as a 4th level spell
19:47 <CWheezy22> that is why heighten spell is a pretty great investment for clerics
19:56 <CWheezy22> you don't need many feats anyhow
21:23 <Avatar> is that what you said this morning
21:31 <Avatar> you said torch levels of lighting
21:46 <CWheezy22> continual flame acts as a tourch
21:49 <Avatar> nobody is disputing heighten continual flame is your friend
21:49 <CWheezy22> torch
21:56 <CWheezy22> yes, mekkis is
22:07 <Avatar> he is a liar then
23:54 <Steven> or he is uninformed or mistaken.
24:11 <Avatar> but more likely a big fat liar
24:13 <Avatar> !!!
24:21 <Steven> huge.
24:57 <CWheezy22> his pdf is incorrect, that's all
25:28 <Avatar> he has memorised all the pdfs
25:49 <CWheezy22> the one he linked earlier
30:09 <Avatar> fuck
30:18 <Avatar> has anyone in the design team commented on that pdf
30:34 <CWheezy22> I have no idea
30:46 <CWheezy22> but rogue eidolon posted a mark moreland supported thread in pfs
30:49 <CWheezy22> which should be stickied
30:51 <CWheezy22> but it is not
33:54 <Avatar> so heighten continual flame does beat deeper darkness, but what happens
34:11 <Avatar> heighten continual flamae apparently only counts as a 4th level spell in certain circumstances
35:32 <CWheezy22> continual flame just wins
35:49 <CWheezy22> at minimum, raises it from supernat darkness to dim light
36:19 <CWheezy22> yes, it only counts in different circumstances because spell levels are actually dumb
43:51 <Brunius> http://i.imgur.com/3cKJ0fe.jpg
43:57 <Brunius> From the glory that is his AMA thread
01:51 <Steven> so bored im reading random pfs forums on paizo
18:50 <Ultio_> What's everyone up to?
22:46 <s711> Windows 8.1 actually looks attracting.
26:20 <Steven> kick ass!
26:30 <Steven> i may or may not be going to pax.
27:39 <Yiroep> I'm pretty excited.
30:11 <Yiroep> Got a Glass River Rescue slot 0.
30:20 <Steven> kick ass
30:26 <Yiroep> (Slot 0's are always the best because you get to play with the people you know and like)
30:33 <Yiroep> (Pick and choose! :) )
31:39 <Yiroep> Although my Slot 0 at Dragon Con last year....TPK...LOL.
31:48 <Yiroep> Was still a blast.
59:45 <Steven> alright back!
59:50 <Steven> sorry had to run to store.
59:57 <Steven> love slot 0
00:10 <Steven> usually play a game with todd and big K
00:37 <Steven> this year paizo slot 0 was Rivalrys end
02:30 <Steven> got to see my buddy trone level 3 get splatted by 3 big nasties.
08:36 <Yiroep> We did In Wrath's Shadow.
08:46 <Yiroep> Rivalry's End was a lot of fun!
08:59 <Steven> yeah.... that one is kinda mean for the group i ran in.  I didnt die... but they did
10:03 <Yiroep> Well, we did 3 + pregen in high tier.
10:22 <Yiroep> I think our pregen was Valeros because I played my life oracle, and we had a scout rogue and a wizard.
10:58 <Yiroep> .....I will say that it has some of the worst scaling rules ever for 4 players.
12:45 <CWheezy22> I was pretty disappointed with rivalry's end
13:14 <Yiroep> (I was talking about In Wrath's Shadow if I didn't make it clear)
13:28 <Yiroep> Our table had fun at Rivalry's End, but I can see how it's disappointing.
14:06 <Steven> our group didnt get the disappointment ... we may have killed the chick
14:50 <Steven> which is disappointment in itself
15:20 <Yiroep> There's rules in there for that....
15:50 <Steven> yeah
15:50 <CWheezy22> hmmm
16:02 <CWheezy22> my group had killed oueddia (sp?) back in season 2
16:19 <CWheezy22> so this lower level and weaker version was pretty damn disappointing
17:46 <Yiroep> Lower level? Did you play 6-7 tier in the other and 3-4 tier in this one?
18:17 <CWheezy22> yes
18:26 <Yiroep> (For the record, I know the scenario before, although I haven't played it yet)
18:50 <Yiroep> Yeah, that's kind of a strange anachronism.
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22:32 <Mekkis> can you suggest me a metamagic feat?
22:35 <Mekkis> for an oracle?
24:08 <CWheezy22> quicken?
25:27 <Mekkis> at low levels?
26:26 <CWheezy22> oh
26:31 <CWheezy22> heighten is good
26:56 <CWheezy22> because you can make free eternal tourches for everyone that dispell darkness and deeper darkness
27:03 <CWheezy22> (heightened continual flame does that)
27:05 <Mekkis> no you can't
27:18 <CWheezy22> it totally works in pfs
27:22 <Mekkis> CWheezy22, I suggest you read what it actually means to DISPEL
27:28 <CWheezy22> it doesn't count as crafting
27:32 <Mekkis> because it doesn't mean what you think it does
27:34 <CWheezy22> light rules man
27:54 <CWheezy22> uh it counters darness and deeper darkness?
28:06 <Mekkis> CWheezy22, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Darkness.pdf
28:22 <Mekkis> to counter a spell, you need to Ready an action
28:28 <Mekkis> it also needs to have the same target
28:36 <Mekkis> (which, FYI, is touch)
28:53 <CWheezy22> uh light spells work differently
29:04 <Mekkis> to dispel, you need to cast the spell with intent to dispel, and again, you need to have the same target.
42:17 <Mekkis> !feat rime spell
42:32 <diebot> Mekkis, RIME SPELL [Metamagic] Creatures damaged by your spells with the cold descriptor become entangled.
42:33 <diebot> Benefit:  The frost of your cold spell clings to the target, impeding it for a short time. A rime spell causes creatures that takes cold damage from the spell to become entangled for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor. A rime spell uses up a spell slot one level
42:33 <diebot> higher than the spell's actual level. Source: UM
12:29 <CWheezy22> hmmm
12:37 <CWheezy22> that pdf is incorrect about heighten continual flame
12:44 <CWheezy22> it doesn
13:16 <CWheezy22> go from supernatural darkness to darkness when deeper darkness and continual flame interact, it goes to torch levels of lighting
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21:03 <Bretty11> Avatar unban me
21:32 <Avatar> what is torch levels of lighting
24:01 <CWheezy22> 20 ft normal, 40 ft dim
25:15 <Avatar> doesn't sound right
25:34 <Avatar> 20ft normal then 40ft dim, then deeper darkness?
25:56 <Avatar> overlapping light doesn't create 3 levels
26:27 <Avatar> or are you saying they cancel each other out
34:48 <CWheezy22> continual flame just wins out
34:51 <CWheezy22> wherever they touch
34:55 <CWheezy22> heightened version only
35:58 <CWheezy22> because it is higher level
36:01 <CWheezy22> anyway I sleep now
36:05 <CWheezy22> there was a thread on this in pfs
42:10 <Mekkis> you're wrong
14:33 <Ultio_> Hi
18:48 <Mekkis> why should it be in the PFS forum. It's a Pathfinder rule.
20:59 <Mekkis> CWheezy22, give me a link
50:29 <Mekkis> and if you're referring to http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pmzd?Reference-for-Light-and-Darkness-in-PFS please note that it's 500 odd posts with no real conclusion
01:34 <Mekkis> More to the point, that thread was written BEFORE the last round of FAQing
19:04 <Yiroep> Woohoo. 23 more hours til I am off for the weekend for Dragon Con!
23:47 <s711> Windows 8.1 actually looks attracting.
27:21 <Steven> kick ass!
27:31 <Steven> i may or may not be going to pax.
28:40 <Yiroep> I'm pretty excited.
31:12 <Yiroep> Got a Glass River Rescue slot 0.
31:21 <Steven> kick ass
31:27 <Yiroep> (Slot 0's are always the best because you get to play with the people you know and like)
31:34 <Yiroep> (Pick and choose! :) )
32:40 <Yiroep> Although my Slot 0 at Dragon Con last year....TPK...LOL.
32:49 <Yiroep> Was still a blast.
37:49 <Steven> sup bitches!
00:46 <Steven> alright back!
00:51 <Steven> sorry had to run to store.
00:58 <Steven> love slot 0
01:11 <Steven> usually play a game with todd and big K
01:38 <Steven> this year paizo slot 0 was Rivalrys end
03:31 <Steven> got to see my buddy trone level 3 get splatted by 3 big nasties.
09:37 <Yiroep> We did In Wrath's Shadow.
09:47 <Yiroep> Rivalry's End was a lot of fun!
10:00 <Steven> yeah.... that one is kinda mean for the group i ran in.  I didnt die... but they did
11:04 <Yiroep> Well, we did 3 + pregen in high tier.
11:23 <Yiroep> I think our pregen was Valeros because I played my life oracle, and we had a scout rogue and a wizard.
11:59 <Yiroep> .....I will say that it has some of the worst scaling rules ever for 4 players.
13:46 <CWheezy22> I was pretty disappointed with rivalry's end
14:15 <Yiroep> (I was talking about In Wrath's Shadow if I didn't make it clear)
14:29 <Yiroep> Our table had fun at Rivalry's End, but I can see how it's disappointing.
15:07 <Steven> our group didnt get the disappointment ... we may have killed the chick
15:51 <Steven> which is disappointment in itself
16:21 <Yiroep> There's rules in there for that....
16:51 <Steven> yeah
16:51 <CWheezy22> hmmm
17:03 <CWheezy22> my group had killed oueddia (sp?) back in season 2
17:20 <CWheezy22> so this lower level and weaker version was pretty damn disappointing
18:47 <Yiroep> Lower level? Did you play 6-7 tier in the other and 3-4 tier in this one?
19:18 <CWheezy22> yes
19:27 <Yiroep> (For the record, I know the scenario before, although I haven't played it yet)
19:51 <Yiroep> Yeah, that's kind of a strange anachronism.
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09:57 <Mekkis> Brunius, you should tell them
10:09 <Brunius> Who, in particular
10:30 <Mekkis> "Either you let me go to unicon, or you send me up to Brisbane for PaizoConOz, after year 12 exams"
10:45 <Brunius> I have year 11 exams after year 12 exams
10:51 <Brunius> So that isn't gonna work this year at least
11:32 <Brunius> Looks like the only evening game is the saturday though so it should be okay
11:37 <Mekkis> oh wow
11:52 <Mekkis> Nokia's offering Achievements and XP to developers
11:55 <Mekkis> !!!
11:59 <Brunius> ...
12:22 <Mekkis> What is DVLUP?
12:22 <Mekkis> DVLUP is an exciting new rewards program for Nokia developers. DVLUP lets you earn
12:22 <Mekkis> and redeem points for rewards [wl4.peer360.com] such as the latest Nokia devices,
12:22 <Mekkis> accessories, promotional opportunities for your app and more.
12:30 <Mekkis>  
12:31 <Mekkis> How does it work?
12:31 <Mekkis> DVLUP awards you XP (experience points) when you complete DVLUP Challenges. A DVLUP
12:31 <Mekkis> Challenge can be completed by taking a quiz, developing an app or game, improving an
12:31 <Mekkis> app, or achieving levels of success with your app in the store. Once you’ve earned
12:31 <Mekkis> your XP, you can redeem the XP for valuable rewards [wl4.peer360.com].
14:00 <Mekkis> Anyone got any ideas for doing some PFSing in Melbourne around the 20th of December?
14:15 <Brunius> I'll be in Canberra at that point :P
14:28 <Mekkis> from when to when?
19:17 <Brunius> Don't know, my dad still hasn't applied for leave
19:22 <Brunius> 21st to 25th at the very least
21:06 <Mekkis> check this out: http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio
22:08 <Brunius> pfft, Go To Hell
22:15 <Brunius> it's not like one goto will harm you...
22:21 <Mekkis> I used a goto today
22:31 <Brunius> http://xkcd.com/292/
22:46 <Brunius> I can never get them to compile :(
22:56 <Mekkis> gotos?
23:00 <Brunius> yeah
23:01 <Mekkis> what's the issue?
23:16 <Brunius> I think the arduino IDE strongly discourages them through not compiling them
23:17 <Mekkis> the label needs to be in the same function, you know.
23:27 <Brunius> yeah
23:42 <Mekkis> (if you want to jump between functions, use longjmp() )
23:57 <Brunius> I haven't needed to jump between functions yet
24:09 <Mekkis> what are you using goto for?
25:28 <Brunius> Don't remember, I think I ended up sidestepping it by using far too many while loops
25:29 <Mekkis> (there ARE reasons to use goto. There aren't many.)
25:37 <Mekkis> what are you coding?!
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25:52 <Brunius> Trying to get a robot to play a truncated soccer
26:38 <Mekkis> why all the whiles?
27:20 <Mekkis> DarkKapow, see you in Brisbane :)
27:35 <Mekkis> I imagine Ballig will come out this weekend
27:51 <Brunius> I think it was while (ball not found), rotate, while (ball found), go towards, while (ball captured) rotate to face north
28:01 <Brunius> I don't remember where in that I needed a goto
28:08 <Brunius> I may have restructured to avoid it
29:31 <Mekkis> do you follow the dailywtf, Brunius ?
29:40 <Brunius> nope
29:54 <Mekkis> http://omg2.thedailywtf.com/
34:12 <HTT-Bird> o/ Yuugi 
34:21 <Yuugi> Hiyo
35:06 <Yuugi> What's up?
35:18 <Steven> dickin around, then its pfs.
35:28 <Steven> more announcements... always more announcements.
35:48 <Yuugi> Ew
36:02 <HTT-Bird> not much here
41:28 <Ultio_> hey
41:35 <Steven> yo
42:24 <Yuugi> Hi Ultio
44:31 <Ultio_> hats everyone up 3
44:53 <Steven> writing out a list of things i need to announce today
46:06 <Ultio_> Glad you decided to finally come out!
47:44 <Steven> hey that was almost funny
48:28 <Ultio_> i thought it was
30:07 <Yuugi> I can't wait for my birfday~
30:21 <Ultio_> When is it?
31:04 <Yuugi> Tomorrow!
31:30 <Ultio_> Oh yeah! Happy Birthday!
31:46 <Yuugi> Thanks n_n
35:35 <Ultio_> Have any big plans?
52:52 <Yuugi> > It's Death Note but with fapping.
53:29 <Ultio_> well alright, have fun with that
54:03 <Yuugi> lol no it was a funny comment I read
54:08 <Yuugi> I'm just gonna play it low key for my birthday
54:11 <Yuugi> No big plans.
54:32 <Ultio_> you are now known as the Death Note Fapper
54:53 <Yuugi> Thanks?
55:33 <Ultio_> you earned it
56:16 <Yuugi> It's a comment from a manga I'm reading.
58:47 <Ultio_> I believe you. Just messing with you
59:02 <Yuugi> :P
59:17 <Ultio_> That nickname is sticking though
30:12 <Ultio> yoyoyo!
38:32 <Steven> suuuuuuuup
38:39 <Steven> finished for the day i think.
39:24 <HTT-Bird> o/
40:31 <Yuugi> Hi
41:11 <Steven> dad got back into town a day ago.
41:23 <Steven> well a day or two ago
41:28 <Steven> spent one day sleeping
41:39 <Steven> and then spent all today makin me run around.
41:52 <Steven> only got a lil time off to grab some lunch
42:07 <Steven> never letting them go on vacation again.
42:19 <Steven> all they did is made lists of shit they wanted me to fix and do
55:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> will people laugh at me when I say my wizard's school is illusion and prohibitted schools are conjuration and evocation?
56:40 <Steven> only when we play games together... and only if the GM is bein douchy
56:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so basically, only if munchkins are at the table, gotcha
57:29 <Steven> im not a munchkin.
57:32 <Steven> im a super munchkin
57:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> close enough
58:49 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the problem with even though magical knack is recently allowed in pfs, you won't know if it's useful to you unless you plan it to be
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07:03 <Mekkis> moin
24:46 <Avatar> sup
24:55 <Mekkis> in Brisbane now
25:02 <Avatar> what's going on in brisbane
25:03 <Mekkis> so it's safe for Ballig to come out
25:11 <Mekkis> a con
25:13 <Mekkis> ish
25:18 <Avatar> jealous
25:30 <Avatar> I need you to help me rebuild my archaeologist mekkis
25:36 <Avatar> nobody else knows what to do
26:04 <Avatar> I think CWheezy22 had a good go at it but I don't know if we got anywhere
26:17 <Avatar> or Spaceshot_tm2_
26:23 <Mekkis> what level and how much rebuild?
26:31 <Avatar> as much rebuild as is needed, level 8
26:35 <Avatar> !findchar James
26:42 <diebot> Avatar, Character: James, number: 413( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413 )
26:55 <Avatar> disregard prestige for raise dead, I'll have to make do with money for that if that happens
27:29 <Yiroep>  Archaeologist? Have you seen the trait in Ultimate Campaign that whenever you get a luck bonus, the value of the bonus increases by +1?
27:45 <Avatar> he's level 8, you can't retrain traits
27:54 <Avatar> I might use my extra traits boon I suppose
27:57 <Yiroep> Ah, you're using retraining rules.
28:01 <Avatar> yeah
28:08 <Avatar> the character is something of a disaster
28:30 <Mekkis> got a summary of the rebuild rules?
28:32 <Avatar> even my other disaster character is sort of saved in the later levels
28:44 <Avatar> in my head
28:55 <Avatar> class levels are 7, or 5 if you retrain into a synergy
29:02 <Avatar> ability score is 5
29:11 <Avatar> archetype is 5
29:22 <Avatar> class feature is 3
29:46 <Mekkis> drop gunslinger, fighter; retrain into base bard
30:07 <Avatar> base archaeologist?
30:09 <Mekkis> no
30:12 <Mekkis> base bard
30:17 <Avatar> why base bard
30:36 <Avatar> I don't think the levels would even stack for the spells?
30:42 <Mekkis> because it gets bardic performance
31:07 <Avatar> what good is bardic performance at level 2
31:27 <Mekkis> ?
31:50 <Avatar> I don't see the benefit?
31:55 <Mekkis> if you retrain the archetype, doesn't it replace the whole thing?
32:17 <Avatar> retraining all 7 levels of the archetype? I can't do that
32:23 <Yiroep> Yeah, pretty sure you can't "half retrain" out of an archetype.
32:24 <Avatar> er, 6 levels
32:32 <Avatar> you said fighter and gunslinger
32:39 <Avatar> two levels are doable, but not the whole thing
33:07 <Avatar> archaelogist gets archaeologist luck instead of bardic performance and it counts for the purposes of bardic performance for spells and effects
33:18 <Avatar> like chord of shards, for example
33:23 <Avatar> or saving finale
33:59 <Mekkis> god
34:29 <Avatar> I think both chweezy and spaceshot recommended ditching at least one of fighter and/or gunslinger
35:11 <Avatar> they kind of both cover severe weaknesses in the build though
35:17 <Mekkis> I think that both CWheezy and spaceshot should hit each other over their heads with their keyboards
35:34 <Avatar> yeah I'm open to all suggestions
35:57 <Avatar> barring "ditch the character" :P
36:18 <Mekkis> what do you see James doing in combat?
36:49 <Avatar> he's either tripping, shooting, using saving finale, or aiding another, usually in that order
37:01 <Avatar> but the dice rolls to trip are high, when it works
37:06 <Avatar> shooting is doing too low damage
37:18 <Avatar> and the rest isn't enough to pull his weight
37:29 <Yiroep> You need a lot of feats to have it work. Deadly aim will help with your ranged damage so much.
38:10 <Avatar> +2 to damage?
38:21 <Yiroep> It's just...all that maneuver and other stuff is a lot of feats.
38:35 <Yiroep> With your BAB, +4.
38:43 <Avatar> oh yeah sorry +4
38:54 <Avatar> that would be a start
39:49 <Yiroep> Hrm, if I had this character I might actualy continue to take fighter levels instead of bard....not sure, though.
39:51 <Avatar> a huge part of the problem is I invested so much into trip and it's become really inferior
39:51 <Yiroep> I'd have to think about it.
40:13 <Avatar> the BAB progression is a part of that, but encountering so many things immune to trip hurts when you don't have a viable alternative
40:25 <Yiroep> That's why I personally don't like trip. Trip is amazing at the low levels...but at higher levels things fly all the time.
40:30 <Mekkis> Avatar, what feat did you get with loremaster?
40:31 <Avatar> which shooting doesn't quite cover anymore either, I'm not sure 1d8+4 would do it either
40:51 <Avatar> lore warden? improved trip
40:55 <Yiroep> Well, hopefully occasionally you're doing more than 1d8+4 with your charisma and gunslinger archetype.
41:22 <Avatar> how?
41:29 <Avatar> sometimes I crit, that can't be relied on
42:05 <Mekkis> retrain gunslinger, butterfly sting, and perhaps a level of bard into manoeuvre master monk
42:06 <Yiroep> The focused aim deed from your archetype that adds charisma to damage for a round for a grit point.
42:44 <Mekkis> and PBS
43:49 <Avatar> why maneuver master
44:04 <Mekkis> improved reposition
44:16 <Avatar> I don't think that would work
44:19 <Mekkis> + flurry of manoeuvres
44:26 <Avatar> his trip is only good because he's got items and traits and whatnot invested in trip
44:36 <Mekkis> reposition to ground, then trip works
45:33 <Avatar> hmmm table variation there I think
45:59 <Avatar> but still, I'm looking at -3 to CMB compared to tripping
46:07 <Avatar> which I already have some trouble hitting
54:12 <Avatar> manuever master does seem like a good way to go
54:36 <Avatar> a quick look at the forums doesn't see much dispute about the very limited talk of repositioning a flyer to the ground
55:44 <Mekkis> it gives you more attempts
56:02 <Mekkis> retrain Butterfly Sting etc into stuff like greater trip
59:22 <Yiroep> Huh, you just gave me an idea for a summoner that involves a crossbow and butterfly sting.
59:36 <Yiroep> Probably won't even make it though. Melee eidolon is not my style.
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