// #d&d — 2013-08-22
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19:03:11 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA - tell us what levels you have and when you can play || WotW: Sat 24th 1.30pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
19:03:11 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Aug 18 21:08:09 2013
19:03:13 <Avatar> yeah which weapon
19:03:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> Tepoztopilli
19:03:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> martial two-handed
19:04:02 <Spaceshot_tm2> reach and fragile, but magical removes fragile
19:05:19 <Avatar> book?
19:05:38 <Avatar> oh UE, there it is
19:05:52 <Avatar> he's not going to be proficient in that?
19:06:04 <Avatar> er
19:06:11 <Avatar> unless mysterious stranger lets him be proficient
19:06:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> doesn't fighter gain martial?
19:06:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> or does lore warden screw with proficiencies?
19:06:48 <Brunius> doesn't gunslinger get martial
19:07:00 <Avatar> oh yeah, lore warden does as well
19:07:28 <Avatar> er
19:07:30 <Avatar> wait no he doesn't
19:07:51 <Avatar> you have to sacrifice the weapon proficiencies for the lore warden stuff
19:07:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> so lore warden doesn't get martial?
19:07:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> great
19:07:59 <Avatar> yeah
19:08:08 <Avatar> you can't change D because of E
19:08:25 <Brunius> fuck
19:08:32 <Avatar> ya
19:08:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> fun fun character
19:08:34 <Brunius> I come home and my brother has broken the fucking headphones
19:08:35 <Brunius> again
19:08:59 <Avatar> he seems to have a lot of bad luck
19:09:06 <Avatar> like he seems to break everything
19:09:41 <Spaceshot_tm2> why do you have lore warden?
19:10:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> lore warden still gets martial weapons
19:10:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> they just lose medium/heavy armour and shields
19:10:43 <Avatar> lore warden gets extra feats and bonuses to CMB/CMD
19:10:46 <Brunius> do they get extra SP?
19:11:08 <Spaceshot_tm2> yup
19:11:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> +2 skill points for int based skills and int based skills are class skills
19:11:26 <Avatar> is there any advantage into retraining to whip mastery
19:11:37 <Avatar> at level 1 it wasn't feasable but it might be now
19:11:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> whip mastery?
19:12:11 <Avatar> yeah there's a feat chain for whip mastery
19:12:16 <Avatar> I think it's 3 feats
19:12:21 <Avatar> weapon focus, whip mastery and improved whip mastery
19:12:25 <Brunius> oh, if i bend it exactly right I get audio
19:12:27 <Brunius> that's great
19:13:49 <Avatar> the problem with changing weapons is that it reduces my CMB since heirloom contributes to it
19:14:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> retrain heirloom to the whip?
19:14:13 <Avatar> can't retrain traits
19:14:49 <Spaceshot_tm2> sure?
19:14:57 <Avatar> it seems like the best way to work this out is to figure out how to build an archaeologist from the ground up
19:15:01 <Avatar> yeah, positive
19:15:11 <Avatar> there is even a thread on trying to introduce it into PFS, which won't happen anytime soon
19:15:32 <Avatar> the rule doesn't exist in ultimate campaign
19:15:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> ah
19:15:59 <Avatar> it either got overlooked, or doesn't exist because it involves the character's past
19:16:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> still, a wasted trait is still better than a wasted character
19:16:43 <Avatar> yeah but the point is, he becomes a less effective tripper as a result
19:17:04 <Avatar> +2 to CMB is significant when they have CMD's of 30-33
19:17:30 <Avatar> with a +15 to CMB, I still need to roll pretty high on the dice for it to work
19:17:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> true
19:17:49 <Avatar> it's only feasable because it's fairly devastating when it does work
19:17:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> well then just have the whip mastery as your back up
19:17:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> as in untrippable
19:18:06 <Avatar> it's 3 feats worth
19:18:14 <Avatar> that's not backup
19:18:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> true
19:18:24 <Avatar> what's going to be my main attack, my gun?
19:18:36 <Avatar> 1d8 to touch AC
19:18:41 <Avatar> !roll 1d8
19:18:41 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d8: [1d8=5] 5
19:18:44 <Avatar> bam 5 damage
19:18:48 <Avatar> the next guy will do 20-40
19:19:04 <Avatar> the bad guys might have 100 or more hp
19:19:05 <Spaceshot_tm2> I thought your main attack is your tripping
19:19:11 <Avatar> or 200 or more
19:19:19 <Spaceshot_tm2> I thought we established the gunslinger is going
19:19:29 <Avatar> what are you suggesting should be backup
19:19:47 <Brunius> wait what
19:19:49 <Brunius> gunslinger going?
19:19:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> this isn't buck
19:19:55 <Brunius> we think it's getting banned?
19:20:02 <Avatar> losing the mysterious stranger class from my character
19:20:05 <Brunius> ah
19:20:08 <Spaceshot_tm2> no he's retraining gunslinger
19:20:09 <Avatar> sif ban gunslinger
19:20:16 <Avatar> gunslinger is the best class in the game
19:20:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> that's why it'd be banabble
19:20:26 <Avatar> well, there's witch
19:20:28 <Brunius> If they ban a class, I want to get Kaleb trained in that class
19:20:38 <Avatar> are you going to retrain kaleb
19:20:42 <Spaceshot_tm2> or at least musket master and pistolero
19:20:45 <Brunius> Nobody has told me anything about it
19:20:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> since they're op
19:20:53 <Avatar> about what
19:20:54 <Brunius> And I'm kinda preoccupied at the moment
19:20:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> it's in the latest PFSguide
19:21:08 <Brunius> yeah I haven't had much time to look at it
19:21:12 <Brunius> brb grabbing compass
19:22:36 <Spaceshot_tm2> well, do you really need lore warden avatar?
19:22:50 <Avatar> I don't need anything if it makes the character work
19:22:53 <Spaceshot_tm2> if not you could retrain that and just get 2 levels of normal (or a different archetype) fighter
19:22:58 <Avatar> except the archaoelogist levels
19:23:00 <Spaceshot_tm2> and then you'll get an extra feat to play with
19:23:19 <Avatar> so what feats do I get
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19:24:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> well if you retrain point blank (you don't need that to hit in ranged), you'll have a total of 2 feats to blow
19:24:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> 3 if you retrain the imp init to something else
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19:25:26 <Avatar> improved init is a class feature, not a feat
19:25:34 <Avatar> prestige cost would change there
19:25:47 <Avatar> doable though
19:26:24 <Avatar> so say we free up 2 or 3 feats and a level, I'm still a tripper and ranged damage is now weakened, how do I make up for it
19:27:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> Greater trip?
19:28:44 <Avatar> yeah that's not bad
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