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01:27 <Mekkis> x3
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45:01 <Mekkis> !spell ill omen
45:19 <diebot> Mekkis, ILL OMEN enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting, curse]) witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (hair from a black cat) Duration: 1 round/level or until discharged Save: none SR:yesSource: APG
45:19 <diebot> You afflict the target with bad luck. On the next d20 roll the target makes, it must roll twice and take the less favorable result. For every five caster levels you have, the target must roll twice on an additional d20 roll (to a maximum of five rolls at 20th level). A target who can speak and has at least one free hand and who is aware of the
45:19 <diebot> spell and its effects (such as from a Spellcraft check to identify the spell as it is cast) can negate one reroll by spending a move action to utter a brief prayer or good luck charm to appease the spirits of ill fortune.
52:39 <Yiroep> (That's a nasty spell to put on a wand. My dual-cursed oracle is wearing that baby out.)
57:50 <Mekkis> is there a "good " version of it
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18:10 <Steven> I'll use my reroll with a +4...
18:11 <Avatar> mike did not mention that in his earlier blog post
18:27 <Avatar> the thing is, incentive to GM there is amazing
18:37 <Steven> like when i roll me some fail saves.... SUCK MY DICK IM REROLLING! add 4 to this.
19:09 <Avatar> do people in your area usually say suck my dick when they play
19:18 <Steven> no
19:24 <Avatar> just wondering
19:28 <Steven> usually its AH FUCK a nat 1
21:06 <Ultio> I'm waiting for it to upload
22:00 <Steven> have you guys looked at the Pathfinder society Primer?
22:15 <Avatar> no, no idea what's in there
22:29 <Steven> so many great things
22:34 <Avatar> eg. ?
22:36 <Steven> Like you can purchase a Pathfinder Society Lodge
22:41 <Ultio> Ok so whe re can i get a chronicle sheet for FS Part 2?
22:54 <Brunius> first steps, part 2
22:55 <Avatar> yeah for 100 prestige
22:56 <Steven> costs 50PP
23:00 <Avatar> I was close
23:02 <Steven> OR
23:10 <Steven> if you happen to be a Venture Captain
23:15 <Ultio> I GMed it last week, but i didnt make one for myself as i misunderstood what i got as gm
23:24 <Steven> it costs 25pp
23:29 <Avatar> you just write one up for yourself
23:33 <Brunius> yeah so make yourself one
23:34 <Ultio> yeah
23:41 <Ultio> where can i get the sheet at
23:45 <Brunius> first steps, part 2
23:47 <Brunius> the pdf
23:52 <Brunius> where did you get the sheet for the players
24:10 <Steven> and during the course of any scenario you can gain 10 Temporary Prestige to purchase any vanity that gives a person
24:10 <Ultio> they didnt have anymore
24:14 <Steven> like a chronicler, a herald
24:21 <Steven> squire, shit like that
24:51 <Steven> and at the end of the scenario, they go back to doing whatever they were doing before hand.
25:34 <Steven> also, the art is fuckin awesome
26:43 <Steven> i really recommend that book. its amazing
27:16 <Avatar> herald and chronicler are in the field guide
27:22 <Avatar> is the lodge there too
27:27 <Ultio> sent
27:29 <Steven> the lodge is in the primer.
27:57 <Steven> basically every scenario/module, you 'borrow' a person out of the lodge to follow you around.
28:28 <Steven> or multiple people if you need different things
30:16 <Avatar> don't know if it's worth 50 PP
30:24 <Steven> oh i would never buy it for 50pp
30:34 <Steven> but i would for 25... honey is practically swimming in PP
30:45 <Avatar> yeah but you play munchkins
31:13 <Ultio> Get it Avatar?
31:25 <Steven> well anything would be when compared to your character!   oh.... i hope that burns!
31:54 <Brunius> c.f. Cairo
32:29 <Avatar> it does burn but only slightly
32:49 <Steven> cause you get to retrain him now.
32:53 <Avatar> wrong book ultio
33:03 <Avatar> we're talking ultimate campaign, not ultimate combat
34:10 <Steven> im still flip flopping on if i want to buy the PDF version or the physical copy of the primer
35:50 <Ultio> Oh damn haha
36:07 <Maestro> Ultimate campaign, pshaw
36:17 <Maestro> What's selling for 50 PP?
36:25 <Avatar> it's all good, I've got it now
37:07 <Ultio> yeah im missing campaign. My bad I looked in my folder saw it began with a C....
37:27 <Steven> Pathfinder Lodge from the new Pathfinder Society Primer
37:43 <Steven> costs 50PP or 25PP if you are a venture Captain
38:06 <Maestro> I don't understand
38:19 <Steven> its a vanity
38:40 <Avatar> they're bonuses you can buy with prestige that aren't listed in the PFS guide
38:59 <Avatar> most are for roleplay, but there's ones that let you do things like use heal as a day job roll
39:58 <Maestro> And who does one gain access to this?
40:03 <Maestro> That's a lot of PP
40:29 <Steven> its meant for a very select group of people
40:43 <Steven> I doubt any pre-13 character would buy it.
40:49 <Maestro> What, you have to be close friends to someone in Paizo?
41:09 <Maestro> Y'know, for a game that preaches openness to newcomers
41:14 <Maestro> There sure are a lot of secret handshakes.
41:39 <Steven> no, you have to have run a series of games known as Eyes of the Ten.
42:14 <Steven> also.... who told you about the secret handshakes?!?
42:37 * Steven calls mike brock immediately.
44:52 * Steven whispers into the phone "Yes, I'm sure... he knows..."
47:45 <Steven> are you guys all going to read eyes of the ten
48:35 <Ultio> nope
49:58 <Ultio> i want it to be a surprise for when i play it (gonna be awhile though)
51:10 <Maestro> I wouldn't' even know where to look
51:36 <Steven> i'd run it if i got the chance.
52:57 <Maestro> What's the tier?
56:26 <Steven> level 12
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14:12 <Maestro> Well that's a ways for me
14:25 <Maestro> Aren't there no PFS scenarios after 11?
14:37 <Maestro> Or is this a retirement scenario?
19:02 <Avatar> you ask too many questions maestro
19:20 <Avatar> I know I usually don't say don't ask don't tell
19:25 <Avatar> but this is not one of those times
20:19 <Maestro> Like I said
20:48 <Maestro> PFS likes to SAY that it's open and friendly to newcomers.
21:16 <Maestro> But good luck if you maybe have a few questions, I guess.
21:39 <Avatar> you don't want these answers
21:51 <Brunius> 1-11 are standard scenarios
22:00 <Brunius> There's a single four scenario arc for 12, I believe
22:00 <Avatar> I'm trying to take that shovel from you 
22:03 <Brunius> plus modules
22:05 <Avatar> while you dig that grave of yours
22:17 <Avatar> oh go on brunius dig it for him
22:31 <Brunius> dude I had the digger here ages ago
22:41 <Brunius> What did you think that big pile of dirt was from?
22:46 <Avatar> yeah you
23:01 <Maestro> v.v
23:36 <Maestro> I was asking a simple question, Avatar, not asking to see the Ark of the covenant
23:47 <Brunius> That's over there, behind the oak trees
23:53 <Ultio> lol
24:29 <Avatar> did he ragequit
24:41 <Brunius> Maybe.
24:45 <Brunius> You were being kind of an ass though
24:53 <Avatar> by not wanting to spoil a scenario
24:57 <Avatar> what an ass I am
25:05 <Brunius> What
25:18 <Brunius> Where are there potential spoilers there
25:26 <Avatar> maybe you don't know?
25:51 <Brunius> I didn't bother reading above Tashes joining
25:56 <Brunius> So if it's above there, I don't
28:00 <Steven> avatar... totes an ass
30:16 <Ultio> Sometimes, I can't tell if you talk like that ironically or if you really talk like that. Either way, it's funny
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32:05 <Steven> who ulitio? me?
32:14 <Ultio> yeah
32:50 <Steven> mix of both
33:02 <Steven> sometimes....
33:12 <Steven> i ironically talk like that.
33:42 <Ultio> yeah, i started saying bro ironically, now sometimes it slips out....
33:59 <Steven> yup
34:14 <Ultio> and I'm like, I've become the one thing I hated
34:15 <Steven> decided fuck it
34:23 <Steven> i'm purchasing shadowrun returns
34:40 <Avatar> report back 
35:14 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Fri 9th 6pm (tier 3-7,Avatar) / Sat 10th 10.30am (tier 7-11,Mekkis) || WotW: Sat 24th 1.30pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
35:14 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Aug  4 08:57:05 2013
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36:01 <Ultio> is that a different system
36:16 <Steven> love it when i download at 750kbs
38:41 <Avatar> it's a game you can get on steam
38:42 <Steven> I actually said Yolo Today
39:12 <Steven> afterwards i felt dirty
39:39 <Steven> le sigh!
39:48 <Steven> 810kb/s 
39:59 <Steven> peak rate
42:56 <Ultio> wow another splinter cell
43:48 <Steven> splinter cell franchise is like HIV in africa.
44:57 <Ultio> looks like the new one has a new protagonist
46:51 <Steven> oh oh oh!
46:58 <Steven> we got 810.7
50:35 <Ultio> Yeah Shadowrun looks fun. I think that will be my gift to myself for passing my test today haha
50:48 <Steven> BOOM! 965.3
51:13 <Ultio> I just pegged at 1.7M
51:16 <Steven> doubt i'll top that
51:22 <Ultio> 1,9
51:42 <Steven> least not while im watching youtube
51:48 <Ultio> haha
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52:20 <Steven> 20mb from finishing
53:25 <Steven> there we go, installed
53:57 <Ultio> im at 470/735
54:00 <Steven> so close to 1mb/s download.
54:07 <Steven> would have been nice.
54:24 <Steven> soon as this song finishs... might have to play me smoe.
54:42 <Steven> so.... Shadowrun party?
54:43 <Steven> lol
55:10 <Kaylakaze> The channel showed up as the most recent post for a search of "chat room" on PFSOC. So is anyone actually ever using it?
55:33 <Ultio> Yea when I was stationed in Germany I never got above 1mb/s
55:39 <Ultio> lets do it
55:45 <Ultio> im out of beer though
56:04 <Steven> brb, gonna get me a bbig ass glass of icewater!
56:47 <CWheezy> most of the users are australian time
57:27 <Kaylakaze> I thought that might be the case, unfortunately.
57:46 <Kaylakaze> The people in charge of PFSOC seem to be absolutely horrible at community building
58:07 <CWheezy> well getting people to use one chat is probably a good idea
58:16 <CWheezy> even if this is for australians right now
59:41 <Kaylakaze> Yeah. Back when I was playing Lich Greyhawk, we'd all just sit in the OpenRPG chat room all day. This would be a fine place to do it, Australian hosted or not, but it needs to be embedded on the main page of the group, or at the very least linked there. It's a no brainer sort of thing.
59:54 <Steven> yo ultio whats your steam id?
59:56 <Yuugi> Hiya
00:41 <Ultio> ultio21
01:59 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6m2
02:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 14
02:01 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6m3
02:02 <diebot> Mekkis, 16
02:03 <Yuugi> I dunno if my game will ever get off the ground anymore.
03:57 <Kaylakaze> There needs to be one place where everyone knows to go that has event scheduling and live chat along with a message board type thing.
06:06 <Kaylakaze> Starting a campaign sort of game?
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12:07 <Ultio> And that's what happens when I try to alt+tab with a game on.
12:08 <Yuugi> Not exactly.
12:08 <Yuugi> I've wanted to run old-style D&D games.
12:11 <Ultio> computer freezes
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17:34 <Darkkapow> hey mekk
17:36 <Darkkapow> you around?
20:11 <Yuugi> It's not THAT bad
20:15 <Yuugi> I think Dark Souls is worse.
25:59 <Kaylakaze> I don't mind "old style" in the way "Dungeon Crawl Classics" uses the phrase, but I certainly wouldn't want to use any rules that had THAC0 and confusing AC and all that other craziness of pre-3E.
26:50 <Kaylakaze> It's like driving a horse and buggy instead of a car just because you can.
27:26 <Yuugi> . . . if you say so
27:59 <Kaylakaze> Well, let me ask then: What value do you see in the clunkier rulesets that the more steamlined ones lack?
30:16 <Yuugi> A good time.
30:25 <Yuugi> And a chance to try something different.
31:29 <Yuugi> I've done 3.5/PF so often and I always hear about the older stuff so I want to try it out.
32:28 <CWheezy> fighters are playable, which may be confusing to you
32:42 <Yuugi> Heh.
33:37 <Kaylakaze> Are fighters playable as in they're good, or are they playable in the sense that everyone else just sucks so bad that they're on par?
34:01 <CWheezy> So in many competitive games, there are things people make called tier lists
34:08 <Yuugi> Yup
34:17 <CWheezy> usually they go from tier A to Tier D/F
34:25 <Mekkis> sort of
34:33 <Mekkis> painting minis :S
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41:11 <CWheezy> fighters aren't actually more useful early on
41:31 <Avatar> paint me some minis
42:09 <CWheezy> they can only hit things with a sword
42:15 <Yuugi> (Or a bow)
42:19 <Kaylakaze> I'd much rather have a figher backing me up at level 1 than a wizard that can only cast 3 spells the entire adventure and then is worthless
42:42 <CWheezy> yes, I agree the wizard does not have other useful abilites beyond using spells
42:54 <CWheezy> such as many knowledges and other skills
43:18 <Kaylakaze> Clerics are little different from fighters at level 1
44:03 <Kaylakaze> Rogues are good at level one with their high skill points and sneak attack, if you're not fighting undead (in 3.5, I think you can SA undead in PF, no?)
44:04 <CWheezy> except they have spells and other class abilities
44:14 <CWheezy> you can sa undead in pf
45:08 <Kaylakaze> Almost all my characters that will be meleers start as rogues
45:25 <Yuugi> Really? I thought you didn't like sticking with an archetype...
45:29 * Yuugi shrugs.
45:49 <CWheezy> rogues generally have a crap to hit at level 1
46:00 <CWheezy> and non guaranteed SA
46:33 <Kaylakaze> only 1 difference. The bonus skill points and the permanent abilities they get make up for it IMO
47:00 <Steven> paint me a picture.
48:55 <CWheezy> ???
48:55 <CWheezy> like what
48:55 <Kaylakaze> detect magical traps and SA
48:55 <CWheezy> everyone can detect magical traps
48:55 <CWheezy> in fact, casters are way better at it
48:55 <CWheezy> since they don't need to roll
48:55 <Kaylakaze> and UMD. I usually also take Able Learner as a starter feat./
48:55 <CWheezy> how do you have 1 less attack then????
48:55 <Kaylakaze> in 3.5, not everyoen can detect magical traps
48:56 <CWheezy> hmmmm
48:59 <Kaylakaze> 1 less to BAB
49:27 <Kaylakaze> or maybe it's only rogue and scout can disarm magical traps
49:27 <CWheezy> yes, but you used a feat on something that is not qeapon finesse
49:35 <CWheezy> in 3.5 you are correct
49:49 <CWheezy> in pf everyone can find traps
50:02 <Kaylakaze> like I said, I haven't played PF yet so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies of the rules
50:20 <CWheezy> but in 3.5 the wizard can still detect magic and find the trap
50:39 <Kaylakaze> True, but not disable it... plus detect magic uses up a spell casting
51:59 <Kaylakaze> I'm pretty sure at level 1 a fighter's damage potential is also significantly higher than a wizard, but I'm not sure.
53:48 <Kaylakaze> I'm not saying a fighter is the best class at level 1, but I'm just saying it's value is much greater at the beginning of its career
54:50 <Kaylakaze> time for me to head home. I should be back in about 15 minutes
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03:46 <Darkkapow> paint my car
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07:38 <Mekkis> all good
07:52 <Mekkis> I have two out of three red mantis assassins painted
09:18 <Ultio> nice
09:27 <Ultio> I suck at painting
09:56 <Mekkis> so do I
10:02 <Mekkis> but there's only one way to improve
10:06 <Bloodlust> yo
11:10 <Mekkis> Fenisiten has too many syllables to be a PFS character name
11:37 <Avatar> call him Fenis
36:19 <Mekkis> !capacity 9
36:20 <diebot> Mekkis, 30 if medium, 22.5 if small.
38:47 <Yiroep> !capacity 7
38:47 <diebot> Yiroep, 23 if medium, 17.25 if small.
53:00 <Avatar> what's a heavy load for 9 
54:14 <Mekkis> 90
58:49 <Avatar> how did you get that from what diebot said
02:22 <Mekkis> x3
45:57 <Mekkis> !spell ill omen
46:14 <diebot> Mekkis, ILL OMEN enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting, curse]) witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, M (hair from a black cat) Duration: 1 round/level or until discharged Save: none SR:yesSource: APG
46:14 <diebot> You afflict the target with bad luck. On the next d20 roll the target makes, it must roll twice and take the less favorable result. For every five caster levels you have, the target must roll twice on an additional d20 roll (to a maximum of five rolls at 20th level). A target who can speak and has at least one free hand and who is aware of the
46:15 <diebot> spell and its effects (such as from a Spellcraft check to identify the spell as it is cast) can negate one reroll by spending a move action to utter a brief prayer or good luck charm to appease the spirits of ill fortune.
53:35 <Yiroep> (That's a nasty spell to put on a wand. My dual-cursed oracle is wearing that baby out.)
58:46 <Mekkis> is there a "good " version of it
56:05 <Kaylakaze> The channel showed up as the most recent post for a search of "chat room" on PFSOC. So is anyone actually ever using it?
57:42 <CWheezy> most of the users are australian time
58:23 <Kaylakaze> I thought that might be the case, unfortunately.
58:41 <Kaylakaze> The people in charge of PFSOC seem to be absolutely horrible at community building
59:03 <CWheezy> well getting people to use one chat is probably a good idea
59:11 <CWheezy> even if this is for australians right now
00:37 <Kaylakaze> Yeah. Back when I was playing Lich Greyhawk, we'd all just sit in the OpenRPG chat room all day. This would be a fine place to do it, Australian hosted or not, but it needs to be embedded on the main page of the group, or at the very least linked there. It's a no brainer sort of thing.
00:51 <Yuugi> Hiya
02:58 <Yuugi> I dunno if my game will ever get off the ground anymore.
04:52 <Kaylakaze> There needs to be one place where everyone knows to go that has event scheduling and live chat along with a message board type thing.
05:01 <Kaylakaze> Starting a campaign sort of game?
12:34 <Yuugi> Not exactly.
12:56 <Yuugi> I've wanted to run old-style D&D games.
13:43 <Kaylakaze> Old style in what way?
13:43 <Yuugi> But it's hard to find people these days.
14:23 <Yuugi> Old-style in that ability scores are rolled in order and kept, dwarf, elf, and halfling are classes, lower armor class is better, etc.
14:23 <Kaylakaze> yeah, you won't find many masochists looking for that sort of thing
14:23 <Yuugi> Where the players have to map out the dungeon according to room descriptions on graph paper (or whatever)
15:03 <Yuugi> ;_;
15:03 <Kaylakaze> I've played Dark Souls almost non-stop when home from work since I bought the game like 3 weeks ago, and I'M not even that big of a masochist
21:06 <Yuugi> It's not THAT bad
21:10 <Yuugi> I think Dark Souls is worse.
26:54 <Kaylakaze> I don't mind "old style" in the way "Dungeon Crawl Classics" uses the phrase, but I certainly wouldn't want to use any rules that had THAC0 and confusing AC and all that other craziness of pre-3E.
27:45 <Kaylakaze> It's like driving a horse and buggy instead of a car just because you can.
28:21 <Yuugi> . . . if you say so
28:54 <Kaylakaze> Well, let me ask then: What value do you see in the clunkier rulesets that the more steamlined ones lack?
31:11 <Yuugi> A good time.
31:20 <Yuugi> And a chance to try something different.
32:24 <Yuugi> I've done 3.5/PF so often and I always hear about the older stuff so I want to try it out.
33:24 <CWheezy> fighters are playable, which may be confusing to you
33:38 <Yuugi> Heh.
34:33 <Kaylakaze> Are fighters playable as in they're good, or are they playable in the sense that everyone else just sucks so bad that they're on par?
34:56 <CWheezy> So in many competitive games, there are things people make called tier lists
35:03 <Yuugi> Yup
35:12 <CWheezy> usually they go from tier A to Tier D/F
35:22 <Yuugi> Or numbers.
35:26 <CWheezy> sure
35:51 <CWheezy> a playable character would be in tier C. He isn't good, but he can compete against the tier A guys and not get slaughtered
36:14 <CWheezy> pathfinder tiers go from 1-6
36:19 <CWheezy> fighters are tier 6
36:30 <CWheezy> hmmm
36:37 <CWheezy> maybe tier 5, with monks at tier 6
36:50 <Yuugi> Which I believe is stupid. I like the old-school approach where fighters are more useful than the magic people most times.
36:51 <Kaylakaze> which end is the good end?
37:30 <Kaylakaze> The usefulness curve is different for different classes though.
37:55 <Kaylakaze> Fighters are much more useful early on, at least in 3.5. I haven't actually played an PF yet.
38:17 <Kaylakaze> Which is why you always multi-class a fighter
38:44 * Yuugi hates multiclassing.
38:54 <Yuugi> The only multiclassing I like is 4e's version
39:44 <Yuugi> Where it's a feat, instead of another class.
40:24 <Kaylakaze> I love multiclassing. It allows you to create the character you want and not be stuck in some stupid archetype.
41:08 <Yuugi> . . .
41:10 <Yuugi> See
41:13 <Yuugi> I dislike that.
41:25 <Yuugi> I approach with a different philosophy.
41:38 <Kaylakaze> If I want to play a game where my character is exactly like every other character of my class, I'll play an MMO
41:49 <Yuugi> Instead of half-dragon/half-tiefling/angel/demon emo goth people
41:57 <Yuugi> I like to play Fighters. Or Clerics.
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