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00:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> so they don't drop to the floor, and you can get them again
00:17 <Ballig> sounds like a locked gauntlet
00:52 <Avatar> it says you cannot switch to a different weapon
01:08 <Avatar> Weapon cords are 2-foot-long leather straps that attach your weapon to your wrist. If you drop your weapon or are disarmed, you can recover it as a swift action, and it never moves any further away from you than an adjacent square. However, you cannot switch to a different weapon without first untying the cord (a full-round action) or cutting it (a move action or an attack, hardness 0, 0 hp). 
01:09 <Avatar> Unlike a locked gauntlet, you can still use a hand with a weapon cord, though a dangling weapon may interfere with finer actions.
01:43 <Ballig> I think the idea is that if it takes two hands to reload
01:50 <Ballig> you can drop one weapon, then reload, and pick it up again as a swift action
01:55 <Ballig> your problem is you can only make one swift action per round
02:03 <Ballig> so that helps you reload one gun, but not the other
02:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> you make a full round attack duel wielded, fire all shots with the first with rapid reload
02:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> drop it
02:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> zip up the other one and make the rest of the attacks
02:40 <Ballig> if the reload takes two h ands, that doesn't work
02:52 <Spaceshot_tm2> [12:31.07] <@Avatar> Unlike a locked gauntlet, you can still use a hand with a weapon cord, though a danglingweapon may interfere with finer actions.
02:53 <Ballig> rapid reload doesn't make it only take one hand
03:07 <Ballig> you said "fire all shots with the first with rapid reload"
03:11 <Ballig> that sounds like you're loading between shots
03:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> yes, but you've got one on the ground with the cord already
03:45 <Ballig> feasible
03:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> then you full round with one gun in hand reloading, drop it, pick up other gun as swift, and finish firing
04:11 <Avatar> how do you define changing weapons
04:21 <Ballig> that's talking about actually changing the weapon out
04:26 <Ballig> as in, I'm wielding my lance, I have it strapped to my wrist
04:36 <Ballig> oh shit, something is got me trapped in a corner I need a weapon without reach
04:41 <Ballig> I want to draw my longsword
04:46 <Ballig> I have to spend a full-round action untying the cord
04:53 <Avatar> it seems like you can do that with the other hand?
05:05 <Ballig> I could, if I was wielding the lance in one hand
05:08 <Ballig> and willing to take an off-hand penalty
05:16 <Avatar> yeah I guess
05:19 <Spaceshot_tm2> you could just drop the lance, let it bounce away
05:21 <Avatar> but with two weapon fighting, you are
05:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> and swing with the other hand
05:37 <Spaceshot_tm2> and bring the lance back when you wish to leave
05:39 <Ballig> I would rule a penalty on that
05:41 <Avatar> maybe that doesn't really apply with pistols
05:57 <Ballig> the lance isn't "bouncing away", is your big problem
05:59 <Ballig> it's actually dangling
06:04 <Ballig> it isn't even dangling far enough to touch the floor
06:05 <Spaceshot_tm2> pistols aren't a 2handed weapon which is retardedly hard to use successfully on foot
06:13 <Spaceshot_tm2> true
06:17 <Ballig> if I were GMing, and you tried to make attacks using a longsword while you had a lance dangling to your wrist, I would give you an attack penalty
06:20 <Avatar> so a pistol is dangling while you're reloading
06:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> it would be fucking hard to have a lance dangling
06:26 <Ballig> yeah
06:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> yep
06:28 <Avatar> you could argue that would hamper reload speed
06:30 <Ballig> the dangling pistol thing is feasible
06:35 <Ballig> you might have to argue it to each GM
06:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> pistols don't weigh much
06:42 <Ballig> but I imagine you'd be successful most of the time
06:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> at least in here we wouldn't have issues
06:49 <Avatar> it weighs more than nothing
06:52 <Avatar> it's not a light weapon I don't think
06:55 <Ballig> your real issue would be the "dangling weapon may interfere with finer actions"
06:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> mekkis might bitch though without citation
07:02 <Ballig> a GM might rule that reloading a pistol is a finer action
07:06 <Ballig> and therefore the dangling pistol interferes
07:10 <Avatar> yeah guns aren't light weapons
07:29 <Avatar> so dual pistols always take heavier penalties on two weapon fighting
07:39 <Ballig> pistols aren't light?
07:41 <Avatar> less of an issue with only having to hit touch AC
07:46 <Avatar> no, it's just a one handed firearm
08:04 <Ballig> where are pistols
08:12 <Avatar> a pistol weighs 4lb
08:13 <Ballig> APG?
08:17 <Avatar> p138 ultimate combat
08:21 <Ballig> oh, almost as much as a sliver of bark ;)
08:32 <Avatar> there's no light weapons there man
08:42 <Ballig> yeah
08:46 <Ballig> I'd say they're heavier, iron pistols
08:53 <Avatar> it could be an oversight
08:57 <Ballig> similar to what you would have found being carried by pirates a few hundred years back
09:01 <Avatar> there are 1lb pistols, but they're still not light
09:28 <Avatar> a rapier is 2lb and not considered light
09:41 <Ballig> I think it's more about how difficult it is to use
09:50 <Avatar> same with a whip
10:22 <Avatar> a sickle would be harder to use than a club, I'd imagine
10:39 <Avatar> there's no pattern to the logic really
10:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> it's more of, light weapons are easier to use duel wielded
10:54 <Avatar> and pistols aren't light
10:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> you can duel wield clubs easier than rapiers
11:07 <Avatar> it's possibly intentional
11:10 <Spaceshot_tm2> yea I don't understand the pistol part
11:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> maybe there's an errata for it
11:19 <Avatar> dual wielding pistols is much harder than one pistol
11:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> true, so is 2 clubs over 1
11:49 <Avatar> they're also "early firearms"
11:52 <Avatar> not glocks
13:03 <Avatar> even -4 with pistols is still pretty good
13:17 <Avatar> because that just means you're probably ignoring touch AC and going back to hitting regular armor
15:08 <Avatar> man I can't wait to see what that +1 mithril looks like on me
17:10 <Avatar> I think it renders one of my traits completely irrelevant, though
17:37 <Avatar> might be better to keep my savings for better magic studded leather
17:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> wow, you can get +8diplomacy and +2cha from just level 1 synthisist summoner
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18:01 <Avatar> hey night owl
19:39 <Mort> lol
19:44 <Mort> I shal go to bed soon :D
19:46 <Mort> bwahahhahahahaha
24:42 <Avatar> don't lie
24:51 <Mort> YES!
24:54 <Mort> now where was my next war?
25:09 <Avatar> what war
26:10 <Mort> in battlefields!
26:18 <Mort> Im rotating world of legends wars and battlefields wars!
26:22 <Mort> and not getting any sleep
26:31 <Avatar> oh
26:40 <Avatar> it was pathfinder wars
27:00 <Avatar> you seem to have forgotten to add that into your rotation lately !!
27:50 <Mort> lol
27:53 <Mort> Im seriously bushed
27:58 * Mort fuffles avatar
28:05 <Mort> the problem with my schedule
28:08 <Mort> is idling on 1-2 hrs on irc
28:11 <Mort> isnt too muchof a problem
28:16 <Mort> but 3-5 hrs is :P
29:03 <Spaceshot_tm2> well stop idling, and start playing :P
30:07 <Mort> sure..
30:11 <Mort> make the games at night? :D
30:12 <Mort> lol
31:15 <Avatar> not at midnight
31:40 <Mort> oh ya
31:42 <Mort> trues that that
32:48 ChuckBrowneyes is now known as ChuckBrowneyesAFK
34:18 <Avatar> apparently I have been giving myself armour check penalties for 3 levels where I wasn't supposed to have a penalty at all
35:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> to compensate your bonus hp
37:52 <Avatar> yeah I guess so
38:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> I dunno what I want to make anymore
38:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> and zen archer is looking a bit boring
38:26 <Avatar> weren't you making a monk
38:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> did make it, doesn't become useful till level 3 (where it can use wis as it's ranged attack stat)
40:37 <Mort> oh oh
40:52 <Spaceshot_tm2> like do support characters work in PFS?
42:00 <Avatar> yeah of course
42:06 <Avatar> why wouldn't they
42:33 <Mekkis> what do you mean "support character"?
42:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> like a bard who has optimised bardic performance
43:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> or a witch who's selected party helping hexes and spells
44:13 <Avatar> I'd consider a witch just another type of arcane spellcaster, next to wizard and sorcerer
44:40 <Spaceshot_tm2> eh
44:42 <Avatar> lesser spell selection, but better extraordinary abilities I think
44:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> they don't get all the bullshit spells
45:04 <Avatar> like I think the flight hex is pretty super handy
45:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> it is once you hit level 5
45:26 <Avatar> witch's version of grolschmir's roc scenario, only it's actually legit since it's built into the class properly
45:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> it's ok at level 3
45:54 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, the time will come when your character will be required to participate in combat
46:08 <Mekkis> if your character is able to do that, then there's no problem
46:16 <Mekkis> to actively participate
46:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> combat isn't the issue
46:22 <Mekkis> (as opposed to reactively)
46:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> 1v1 a monster would be the issue
47:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> in between buffs and rightly timed heals, there'd be average ranged attacks flying all over the place
47:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> but that'd be about it, 1v1 you'd be toast
48:28 <Avatar> and waiting for someone to heal isn't much of a help in actively participating if there's nobody to heal
48:35 <Avatar> although apparently you can hold a charge for a touch spell
48:43 <Avatar> which would probably improve my cleric's output
48:49 <Spaceshot_tm2> healing would be there just cause it could be of use, not because it's of dire importance
48:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> you can
49:09 <Spaceshot_tm2> makes magus' better
50:31 <Avatar> I wish pathfinder didn't remove skill synergys
52:29 <Avatar> got 3 more skill ranks and not sure where to put them
52:36 <Avatar> all my class skills have the +3 bonus
52:43 <Avatar> could put them into knowledges
52:53 <Avatar> perception is maxed out
53:12 <Avatar> taken a vanity which lets me use heal as a day job roll, so that's maxed out
54:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> how often are magical traps in PFS?
54:55 <Avatar> I've never seen one
54:59 <Avatar> probably in the later levels
20:20 ChuckBrowneyesAFK is now known as ChuckBrowneyes
24:55 <Avatar> another guy on the paizo forums is saying that an AoO isn't even an attack action
25:01 <Avatar> (nor a standard action)
28:08 <Avatar> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/deadly-aim-combat
28:19 <Avatar> power attack for gunslinger, except -2 to attack and +4 to damage
29:11 <Avatar> early firearms don't take touch attack into account for the purposes of feats, such as deadly aim
29:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> heh
29:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> and fuck it's late :P
29:36 <Avatar> it's only half past 2
29:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> I haven't stayed up this late in ages
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32:37 <Spaceshot_tm2> I liked the dervish dancer PrC in 3.5
32:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> but I think they fucked it in pathfinder
33:35 <Avatar> apparently I also get a bonus to initiative that I didn't notice throughout 3rd level
33:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> heh
34:03 <Spaceshot_tm2> what should I make?
34:07 <Spaceshot_tm2> everything looks so eh
34:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> besides the general hulk smash
34:39 <Avatar> oracle
34:49 <Avatar> or alchemist maybe
35:24 <Avatar> @init
35:28 Avatar is now known as Buck
35:30 <Buck> @init
35:30 <diebot> Buck, initiative: [1d20=8] 11
35:51 <Buck> !save init: 1d20+5 init with gunslinger's initiative deed
35:52 <diebot> Buck, 1d20+5 init with gunslinger's initiative deed saved as @init
35:55 Buck is now known as Avatar
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37:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wtb ideas
37:55 <Avatar> go oracle
38:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what type?
38:13 <Avatar> sec
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39:22 <Avatar> tongues is probably the most interesting
39:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I meant more of what mystery
40:23 <Avatar> depends a bit on your build
40:30 <Avatar> they all look pretty good
40:35 <Avatar> I like iron skin
40:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> from metal?
40:55 <Avatar> they don't all look pretty good, about half of them do
41:08 <Avatar> iron skin is basically free stoneskin
41:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the problem is, they all have like 1 or 2 good revelations
41:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the rest is shit
41:15 <Avatar> DR 10/adamantine
41:28 <Avatar> oh, wait a second
41:45 <Avatar> would take a while to look over these
41:51 <Avatar> I don't know enough about oracles to choose one at a glance
41:54 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
42:02 <Avatar> any of those could be good
42:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if I could pick and choose I'd easily go oracle
42:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but you have to choose a mystery
42:18 <Avatar> pick one you like and I'll have a look over it
42:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I like battle for it's revelation that gives you more than a feat
43:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and it's passive buffs (the swift healing is ok, but not that useful)
43:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nature for the bonded mount
43:36 <Avatar> I clearly didn't have a proper read of the mysteries section last time I looked at oracle
43:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> XD
44:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> water is ok, but it's got thunder and cold in it, which is my issue
44:09 <Avatar> what's wrong with thunder and cold
44:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I wanted just thunder for a character idea before, and there's like 3 non-cold abilities in water
45:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they could of done so much more
45:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> allowed more customisation
46:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and they're the only class with a debuff (I wouldn't count the paladins/cavaliers oath to be one)
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02:45 <Horace^Myrthit> Hello everyone. :)
02:56 <Avatar> it's 3am Horace^Myrthit, nobody's here
02:58 <Horace^Myrthit> Anyone awake in the Land of Oz?
03:01 <Horace^Myrthit> That's what I thought.
03:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I am, but shouldn't
03:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I should of been in bed like 2hrs ago at least :P
03:25 <Horace^Myrthit> Are we gaming "in the morning"?
03:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sadly not
03:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> cause brunius is soft
03:46 <Horace^Myrthit> I thought there was a PFS on Wed
03:48 <Horace^Myrthit> oh...
04:05 Horace^Myrthit is now known as Tim
04:08 <Tim> lol
04:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tim the wizard?
04:42 <Tim> That's me.
04:45 <Avatar> slippery slope
04:46 <Tim> Tim the Intergalactic Wizard
05:01 <Avatar> he's talking about terraria, you're talking about harry potter
05:12 <Tim> Actually, not harry potter
05:20 <Tim> I've been an Intergalactic Wizard since the 80s
05:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm talking about monty python and the holy grail you infidel
05:22 <Avatar> not terraria
05:38 <Avatar> that's even worse
05:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> how did you not get it though?
05:55 <Tim> I definitely got it.
05:59 <Avatar> I don't like monty python
06:01 <Tim> "there are some that call me... Tim"
06:16 <Tim> Tim happens to be my for realz name.
06:18 <Avatar> that just means we all on different pages
06:37 <Avatar> this levelling up bullshit is giving me a headache
06:39 <Avatar> goodnight
06:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha yea i'm going too
08:25 <Tim> Goodnight :)
08:35 <Tim> But, no game in the morning. That is confrimed?
09:00 <Avatar> no
09:08 <Avatar> if players show up and a DM can put something together, there will be a game
09:16 <Avatar> there's definitely no game if no players show
09:35 <Tim> Well, I'll be here between 6 and 7 PM, my time, 16 hours behind you. 
09:46 <Avatar> jaggedsoul was keen and someone else was keen I think
10:04 <Tim> I get off at 6, so it will be probably 6:30, and I am very Keen. Harold is keen.
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14:06 <Tim> !Harold
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11:37 * Ballig yawns
20:09 <Ballig> Mekkis: do you know if the masterwork cost of armour is doubled too for a non-humanoid
08:14 <Brunius> What
12:49 <Mekkis> Ballig, I /think/ that only the base cost is doubled
14:07 <Ballig> that was my initial impression
28:10 <Ballig> I have less than 500 gold, I feel so poor
28:42 <Brunius> Ha
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44:20 <Thelen> weee
44:29 <jaggedsoul> sup Thelen
57:34 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Wed 28th 2.30pm (Avatar, in progress) / Fri 30th 10am (Brunius, new game) | CoTE: Sun Jan 8th 10am || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE | http://dnd.ballig.net/newbie_guide.htm
57:34 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Dec 27 23:39:00 2011
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01:06 <Mekkis> I hate support calls from work
03:10 <Tim> Are you a tech on call?
10:02 <Avatar> zzzz
11:30 <jaggedsoul> sup Avatar
12:18 <Avatar> waking up sup
12:43 <Brunius> !findchar Kaleb
12:45 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Kaleb, number: 229( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=229 )
12:59 <Brunius> !find Merchen
13:07 <Brunius> !findchar Merchen
13:07 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Merchen, number: 153( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=153 )
15:13 <jaggedsoul> game's in the afternoon?
16:08 <tristen> 2.30pm? i'm in!
18:26 <Avatar> continuing shades of ice 1 this afternoon
21:33 <Tim> Hello! Sorry, just got home. I need to go this instant and walk the dog. BRB
32:09 <Tim> I'm back. No response. 
35:29 <Tim> Is no one around?
35:52 <Tim> Are you all watching the premier of Salon Takeover? I know I am.
38:55 <jaggedsoul> sup Tim
39:45 <Tim> Hello!
39:54 <Tim>   <--- Horace_Myrthit
40:12 <jaggedsoul> Avatar was around earlier
40:47 <jaggedsoul> I'm jus lurkin around to see if there's enough players and if someone will dm...
40:51 <Tim> there was talk potentially of PFS
41:11 <jaggedsoul> about?
41:25 <Tim> if there were enough folks and a DM
41:45 <Tim> I think he said there were potentially three players
41:59 <Tim> I know that it was mentioned on Monday/Sunday
42:12 <jaggedsoul> so that's you and me for the players...
42:38 <jaggedsoul> jus 1 dm and 1 player to start playing
43:00 <Tim>   /agree
43:03 <jaggedsoul> I'll go create a 1st level char jus in case :)
44:15 <Avatar> I don't think there's going to be one now, only if people were here earlier
44:27 <jaggedsoul> :(
44:37 <Avatar> maybe in the evening or tomorrow
47:36 <Tim> in the evening is not a possibility for me, and I'm not sure about tomorrow. We can play it by ear, though.
47:53 <jaggedsoul> yea...
07:08 <Avatar> it's Artimu's turn
07:19 <Artimus> I will crossbow at #3
07:28 <Artimus> !throw 1d20-4
07:28 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20-4: [1d20=1] -3
07:31 <Artimus> woo
07:35 <Artimus> end turn
07:50 <Avatar> the dog tries to bite Hitomi
07:56 <Avatar> !throw 1d20+2
07:56 <diebot> Avatar, 1d20+2: [1d20=15] 17
08:02 <Avatar> miss?
08:07 <Artimus> yeah AC 19
08:08 <Hitomi> ac19
08:16 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
09:01 <Artimus> he will cast daze
09:04 <Artimus> on #3
09:13 <Tasiv> lads let's crank up skype so we can discuss/committee npc?
09:16 <Avatar> DC?
09:20 <Artimus> (the reasoning for this is that anything else he does requires a ranged attack at disgusting penalties)
09:22 <Artimus> okay
09:29 <Artimus> DC 16
10:17 <Avatar> goblin #3 appears dazed
10:23 <Artimus> "Huzzah!"
10:24 <Avatar> it's Artimus' turnn
10:48 <Artimus> !condition dazed
10:50 <Artimus> damn :(
11:20 <Avatar> Dazed', 'The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC. A dazed condition typically lasts 1 round.
11:23 <Artimus> haha
11:38 <Avatar> what are you doing
11:51 <Artimus> crossbow #3
11:53 <Artimus> !throw 1d20-4
11:54 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20-4: [1d20=16] 12
12:03 <Artimus> (the -4 is for attacking into melee)
12:09 <Avatar> your bolt shoots wide
12:14 <Artimus> end turn
12:17 <Avatar> the dog tries to bite Hitomi
12:22 <Avatar> !throw 1d20+2
12:22 <diebot> Avatar, 1d20+2: [1d20=8] 10
12:32 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
12:40 <Artimus> he will cast daze on #2
12:42 <Artimus> DC 16
12:57 <Avatar> #2 appears dazed
13:01 <Avatar> movement remains
13:14 <Artimus> end turn
13:16 <Avatar> it's Hitomi's turn
13:26 <Hitomi> power atack 3
13:30 <Avatar> roll it
13:38 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7 PA
13:38 <diebot> Hitomi, PA: [1d20=10] 17
13:44 <Avatar> hit, roll damage
14:03 <Hitomi> !throw 1d10+6
14:03 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d10+6: [1d10=8] 14
14:18 <Avatar> he drops, dying
14:29 <Avatar> movement action remains
15:04 <Avatar> your turn next Tasiv
15:14 <Artimus> sorry, Hitomi is having map issues
15:16 <Tasiv> hang on - prob with thelen
15:17 <Artimus> he had to reconnect
15:18 <Tasiv> yep
15:21 <Artimus> Tasiv will have to too
15:24 <Artimus> if he hasn't
15:25 <Hitomi> move 5ft east
15:43 <Avatar> it's Tasiv's turn
15:52 <Tasiv> move to k3
16:03 <Tasiv> attack 2
16:05 <Avatar> full round remains
16:07 <Avatar> roll it
16:12 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 point blank
16:12 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d20=9] 16
16:17 <Avatar> roll damage
16:21 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+3 point blank
16:21 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d8=3] 6
16:33 <Avatar> #2 is disabled
16:44 <Avatar> it's Artimus' turn
17:00 <Artimus> I will go 10 feet east
17:04 <Artimus> and smack 2 with my mace
17:08 <Artimus> (dropping by crossbow first)
17:18 <Avatar> roll 
17:22 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+1
17:22 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20+1: [1d20=1] 2
17:28 <Artimus> I laugh in the goblin's face
17:35 <Avatar> the dog tries to bite Hitomi
17:38 <Avatar> !throw 1d20+2
17:38 <diebot> Avatar, 1d20+2: [1d20=6] 8
17:46 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
18:05 <Artimus> he will acid splash the dog
18:10 <Artimus> !throw 1d20-2
18:10 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20-2: [1d20=8] 6
18:11 <Avatar> roll it
18:13 <Artimus> and end turn
18:20 <Avatar> it's Hitomi's turn
19:22 <Hitomi> kill the dog!
19:28 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7 PA dog
19:28 <diebot> Hitomi, PA dog: [1d20=8] 15
19:34 <Avatar> hit, roll damage
19:40 <Hitomi> !throw 1d10+6 dmg
19:40 <diebot> Hitomi, dmg: [1d10=7] 13
20:08 <Avatar> the dog drops, dying
20:20 <Avatar> it's Tasiv's turn
20:28 <Tasiv> attack 2
20:30 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 point blank
20:30 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d20=19] 26
20:38 <Avatar> is that a critical threat
20:42 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 point blank
20:42 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d20=16] 23
20:46 <Artimus> yeah it is
20:50 <Avatar> critical hit
20:50 <Artimus> longbow is 19-20, crossbow is just 20
20:51 <Avatar> roll damage
21:04 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+3 point blank
21:04 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d8=5] 8
21:23 <Artimus> I mislead him
21:25 <Artimus> it wasn't a threat
21:32 <Avatar> okay, he drops
21:37 <Tasiv> yeah just the 8
22:02 <Avatar> uh
22:11 <Tasiv> clw on myself
22:21 <Avatar> with the commotion over, you notice the main hallway had 6 bodies out front, all dead
22:24 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+1 clw
22:24 <diebot> Tasiv, clw: [1d8=2] 3
22:38 <Avatar> anyone want to determine how they died
22:40 <Artimus> the guards are now dead?
22:44 <Artimus> or do you ean we stepped over them?
22:52 <Avatar> you stepped over them
22:53 <Tasiv> 15/16
22:55 <Avatar> well
23:00 <Avatar> they were off to your right, behind the door
23:04 <Artimus> okay
23:07 <Artimus> I'll do a heal check
23:09 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+3
23:09 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20+3: [1d20=8] 11
23:35 <Avatar> perception checks from everyone, please
23:39 <Tasiv> take ten on heal
23:43 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+1
23:43 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+1: [1d20=9] 10
23:43 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+8 perception
23:43 <diebot> Artimus, perception: [1d20=1] 9
23:51 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 perc
23:51 <diebot> Tasiv, perc: [1d20=14] 15
23:56 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+1 sorcerer
23:56 <diebot> Artimus, sorcerer: [1d20=4] 5
24:08 <Avatar> okay
24:13 <Avatar> what are you doing next
24:31 <Artimus> Tasiv took 10 on a heal
24:33 <Artimus> he has +5
24:38 <Artimus> so 15 to check how the bodies died
24:55 <Artimus> "There's a spellcaster here. Probably Runa."
25:05 <Artimus> "Some of these people were killed by magic."
25:19 <Tasiv> avatar do you want to join in skype and mute your mic?
25:48 <Avatar> yeah, invite me
26:19 <Artimus> we loot the corpses
27:05 <Artimus> "Let's go investigate upstairs."
27:12 <Tasiv> "yeah"
27:16 <Artimus> "Tasiv and I can go up the east stairs, Hitomi and girly girl can go west."
27:20 <Artimus> "Unless you think that'll split us up?"
27:40 <Artimus> "Scratch that, let's all go up together."
28:51 <Tasiv> cell size?
29:24 <Hitomi> 67
29:34 <Tasiv> k
30:54 <Artimus> "Check out the door closest to you, Hitomi."
32:43 <Artimus> we'll search
34:21 <Artimus> we'll go back downstairs
34:49 * Hitomi walks out the front door
34:55 <Artimus> we'll go find some guards
35:25 <Artimus> we'll go check it out
35:29 <Artimus> (Hitomi first, ha ha)
36:16 <Avatar> A small, frozen yard stands between rickety fences to the east of the armory. Target dummies, both for melee and archery training, stand at the far eastern end of the icy field.
37:09 <Hitomi> brb
38:47 <Artimus> !throw 1d20
38:47 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
38:49 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+1 sorc
38:50 <diebot> Artimus, sorc: [1d20=20] 21
38:55 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+4 init
38:55 <diebot> Tasiv, init: [1d20=7] 11
40:37 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+2 hitomi init
40:38 <diebot> Artimus, hitomi init: [1d20=6] 8
40:48 <Avatar> "You'll pay for your crimes, Pathfinders!"
41:01 <Artimus> "I'll take care of this!"
41:05 <Artimus> he goes 3 west and one northwest
41:46 <Artimus> color spray in front
41:48 <Artimus> facing north
44:07 <Avatar> he casts a spell
44:20 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+6 spellcraft
44:20 <diebot> Artimus, spellcraft: [1d20=16] 22
44:41 <Avatar> the sorcerer yells out "You mage armourer!"
44:54 <Avatar> it's Tasiv's turn
45:14 <Tasiv> attack h
46:30 <Avatar> roll to hit
46:42 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+3 point blank
46:42 <diebot> Tasiv, point blank: [1d20=18] 21
47:19 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+3 pb
47:20 <diebot> Tasiv, pb: [1d8=6] 9
47:47 <Avatar> it's Artimus' turn
48:52 <Artimus> and fire bolt at H
48:59 <Artimus> !throw 1d20
48:59 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20: [1d20=5] 5
49:06 <Avatar> it's Hitomi's turn
51:05 * Hitomi moves northwest 15ft
54:00 <Hitomi> and shoots bow and H
54:00 <Hitomi> moves to C6
54:00 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2 arcro
54:00 <diebot> Hitomi, arcro: [1d20=19] 21
54:00 <Avatar> roll to hit
54:00 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+3 bow
54:00 <diebot> Hitomi, bow: [1d20=19] 22
54:00 <Hitomi> !throw 1d6 dmg
54:00 <diebot> Hitomi, dmg: [1d6=5] 5
54:12 <Avatar> he's seriously wounded
55:54 <Avatar> Runa channels negative energy
56:42 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 will
56:42 <diebot> Tasiv, will: [1d20=14] 15
56:50 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+5 will
56:50 <diebot> Artimus, will: [1d20=15] 20
57:13 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+1 will
57:13 <diebot> Hitomi, will: [1d20=16] 17
57:28 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+1 sorcerer
57:28 <diebot> Artimus, sorcerer: [1d20=3] 4
57:30 <Avatar> !throw 1d6
57:31 <diebot> Avatar, 1d6: [1d6=2] 2
57:36 <Artimus> 8/10 sorcerer
57:42 <Artimus> 7/8
57:47 <Hitomi> 12/13
57:48 <Tasiv> 14/16
58:56 <Avatar> !throw 1d20+4
58:56 <diebot> Avatar, 1d20+4: [1d20=12] 16
59:09 <Avatar> his handaxe misses you
59:18 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
59:20 <Artimus> sorcerer goes northwest and north
59:23 <Artimus> and casts colour spray
00:03 <Artimus> he'll do that
00:59 <Artimus> end turn
01:06 <Artimus> "Surrender, wizard!"
01:23 <Avatar> "Not yet!"
01:27 <Avatar> he fires a magic missile at Hitomi
01:34 <Avatar> !throw 1d4+1
01:34 <diebot> Avatar, 1d4+1: [1d4=3] 4
01:46 <Hitomi> 8/13
01:47 <Avatar> it's Tasiv's turn
02:20 <Tasiv> b7
02:41 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 pb
02:41 <diebot> Tasiv, pb: [1d20=13] 20
02:51 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+3 pb
02:51 <diebot> Tasiv, pb: [1d8=2] 5
03:01 <Avatar> he's lightly wounded
03:07 <Avatar> it's Artimus' turn
03:37 <Artimus> I'll channel heal, selectively excluding M and H (the bad H, not the good one)
04:02 <Artimus> !throw 1d6
04:02 <diebot> Artimus, 1d6: [1d6=6] 6
04:07 <Tasiv> 16/16
04:14 <Hitomi> 13/13
04:18 <Avatar> it's Hitomi's turn
04:47 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+3 bow
04:47 <diebot> Hitomi, bow: [1d20=12] 15
04:53 <Hitomi> !throw 1d6 dmg
04:53 <diebot> Hitomi, dmg: [1d6=4] 4
04:58 <Avatar> miss
05:17 <Hitomi> c4
05:27 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
05:45 <Artimus> one northeast
05:50 <Artimus> colour spraying north
06:06 <Avatar> the wizard saves
06:10 <Artimus> end turn
06:12 <Avatar> it's Tasiv's turn
06:21 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 pb
06:21 <diebot> Tasiv, pb: [1d20=14] 21
06:30 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+3 pb
06:30 <diebot> Tasiv, pb: [1d8=1] 4
07:14 <Artimus> "Surrender!"
07:28 <Avatar> there's no reply this time
07:33 <Avatar> it's Artimus' turn
07:50 <Artimus> I'm moving up to C6
07:56 <Artimus> end turn
08:11 <Avatar> it's Hitomi's turn
09:17 <Hitomi> take turn coop de grass
09:41 <Hitomi> !throw 2d10+12 dmg
09:41 <diebot> Hitomi, dmg: [2d10=8,2] 22
09:56 <Artimus> "Surrender!"
10:03 <Avatar> it's Sorc's turn
10:12 <Artimus> coup de grace with crossbow
10:22 <Artimus> !throw 2d6
10:22 <diebot> Artimus, 2d6: [2d6=1,2] 3
10:28 <Artimus> doing M
13:08 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7 pa aoo
13:08 <diebot> Hitomi, pa aoo: [1d20=18] 25
13:16 <Hitomi> !throw 1d10+6 pa dmg
13:16 <diebot> Hitomi, pa dmg: [1d10=8] 14
13:28 <Tasiv> "GLISH"
13:28 <Artimus> I'll tie them up
13:34 <Artimus> and loot everyone
14:40 <Artimus> "Hjort."
14:58 <Avatar> he spits at you
15:02 <Artimus> "Okay."
15:04 <Artimus> I escort them to the guards
15:38 <Tasiv> "ok now some answers"
15:56 <Tasiv> "where's skagni?"
17:37 <Artimus> we take them to the guards
17:41 <Artimus> and show the guards the documents
17:44 <Artimus> that prove the plot
18:31 <Tasiv> "gyuri"
18:37 <Tasiv> andoran
19:13 <Tasiv> "gyuri the monk"
19:15 <Tasiv> fuck
20:17 <Artimus> I'll take 10 on diplomacy (17)
20:23 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20-1 aids
20:24 <diebot> Hitomi, aids: [1d20=2] 1
20:29 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20-1 aids
20:29 <diebot> Hitomi, aids: [1d20=11] 10
20:31 <Artimus> !throw 1d20+4
20:31 <diebot> Artimus, 1d20+4: [1d20=3] 7
20:36 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20 hiv
20:36 <diebot> Tasiv, hiv: [1d20=8] 8
20:59 <Artimus> "The monk seems to have been very complicit in these crimes."
21:01 <Hitomi> "Our employers would very much like it if Gyuri doesn't leave prison. Ever."
21:10 <Artimus> "The state of Andoran may like to see this man executed."
21:13 <Hitomi> "Except in a coffin..."
21:50 <Avatar> "Yes, they will be made to pay for their crimes according to Trollheim's laws."
21:50 <Artimus> "Also there's a bunch of goblin corpses in the armoury."
22:00 <Artimus> "So, you know. Clean up in aisle 3."
22:14 <Tasiv> "and what punishment can we expect for the monk, beheading? hanging?"
22:27 <Avatar> "I imagine it will be extreme."
24:02 <Tasiv> "we would very much like to see a public execution of this gyuri character - he is the worst of the worst"
24:10 <Avatar> "Clearly."
24:29 <Tasiv> "any assistance we could provide..."
24:39 <Tasiv> "to make this happen"
24:46 <Avatar> "What assistance can you provide?"
25:02 <Tasiv> "if you could name a price, we would be happy to provide"
25:25 <Hitomi> "I'm sure it will cost to build the execution platform.."
25:38 <Artimus> Trollheim
25:42 <Tasiv> "for keeping the peace in trollheim of course"
25:50 <Tasiv> "the public needs to see such a man executed"
26:01 <Avatar> "Are you willing to pay to ensure the man dies?"
26:10 <Tasiv> "yes. shall we say 30 gold?"
26:17 <Hitomi> "yes, 15gold a piece from both of us":
26:27 <Avatar> "You do realise that there can be no guarantee of this?"
27:05 <Tasiv> "well, perhaps i'm not being clear enough. is 30 gold not enough to guarantee this?"
27:20 <Avatar> he doesn't respond
27:39 <Hitomi> "oh sorry did we say 15 each, we meant 30 each"
27:57 <Tasiv> "this man _must_ die and he _must_ die publically - he is a slaver and he assaulted your very city"
28:02 <Artimus> "I will pay 18 gold and 9 silver!" the sorcerer says
28:13 <Avatar> he holds out his hand
28:16 <Tasiv> "we have brought him to you and justice must be done"
28:21 <Tasiv> "ok"
28:25 <Tasiv> 30 from me
28:30 <Hitomi> "I spit in it" jokes... actually I hand over the gold
28:32 <Artimus> 18.9 from the sorcerer
29:05 <Hitomi> ze gold is 30
29:11 <Avatar> "No guarantees."
29:14 <Avatar> and he turns away
30:59 <Avatar> !rng death prison
30:59 <diebot> Avatar, prison
31:21 <Avatar> !rng death death death death death death prison prison prison prison
31:21 <diebot> Avatar, death
33:12 <tristen> can thelen level up now?
33:18 <tristen> hitomi 
33:30 <Thelen> indubitably
33:35 <tristen> thx guys gg 
33:37 <Artimus> man
33:38 <Artimus> that sorcerer
33:42 <tristen> lol yeah
33:44 <Artimus> seriously
33:45 <Avatar> change your nick back
33:49 <Ballig> man
33:50 <Ballig> that sorcerer
33:51 <Ballig> seriously
33:52 <Ballig> :p
33:53 <Avatar> Mekkis are you around
33:58 <tristen> spray spray spray spray spray
34:00 <Ballig> yeah
34:05 <Ballig> you can see why I always make sure to bring the gnome sorcerer
34:12 <Avatar> you guys get 500gp each from the chronicle sheet
34:17 <Ballig> cool
34:20 <Avatar> -30gp for your bribes
34:22 <tristen> minus 30 gp :D
34:23 <tristen> lol
34:24 <Avatar> and uh
34:26 <Ballig> -20gp for me
34:28 <Avatar> yeah
34:53 <tristen> i'll start thinking about a level 9 char too
34:57 <Ballig> cool
35:02 <Ballig> I think Avatar is playing a gunslinger
35:05 <Ballig> not sure what the other guys are doing
35:11 <tristen> okee
35:34 <Avatar> I'll play something else if someone else wants to try gunslinger
35:55 <tristen> no that's cool by me
35:56 <Ballig> you will probably want to aim for a decent mix in the group
36:02 <Ballig> because it's like 3 or 4 scenarios put together
36:17 <tristen> i'm feeling rogue-like
36:18 <Avatar> guys it's important that you update your sheets
36:34 <Avatar> if you've got 0 prestige, something's not right
37:00 <tristen> oh i have no idea how much i've got
37:04 <tristen> 2? 4?
37:12 <Ballig> I should add something to the website to track scenarios
37:22 <Ballig> so you know what scenarios a character has played, or is in the middle of playing
37:33 <Avatar> yeah
37:38 <Avatar> we need like a PFS section
37:43 <Ballig> yeah
37:45 <Avatar> the campaigns bit doesn't cut it anymore
37:49 <Ballig> at first I didn't want to, but we're playing it almost exclusively now
37:52 <Ballig> so it's worth the time and effort
38:31 <Ballig> I have two common passwords I use, and every time I go to log into paizo I use the wrong one
38:53 <Avatar> forget that I use a different password everywhere
39:25 <Ballig> you probably make chrome remember them
40:19 <Avatar> I've got a cipher
44:44 <Avatar> these chronicle sheets are coming right now
44:46 <Avatar> don't go anywhere
46:29 <Avatar> does anyone have day job rolls
48:06 <Ballig> nope
48:34 <Avatar> tristen
56:43 <Avatar> I remember osirion having really dumb faction missions in that scenario, from when I played
57:23 <Ballig> really
57:31 <Ballig> what did you have trouble with
57:37 <Avatar> I didn't have trouble
57:42 <Avatar> you just pretty much say you go do it and go do it
57:47 <Ballig> ahh yeah
57:50 <Avatar> someone had knowledge nature I think
57:52 <Ballig> well, the shop takes a gather info
58:04 <Avatar> yeah we passed the checks without issue
58:10 <Ballig> city of strangers is like that
58:11 <Avatar> but it's completely unrelated to the main story
58:18 <Ballig> half the faction missions are "find this guy, give him a message"
58:20 <Ballig> and just takes a gather info
58:21 <Ballig> bam, done
58:50 <Ballig> although one faction mission requires a stupid 20 diplomacy
59:38 <Avatar> I'd prefer that if it was relevant
00:20 <Ballig> I think it's common in city-based scenarios
04:34 <Ballig> !findchar Cairo
04:34 <diebot> Ballig, Character: Cairo, number: 270( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=270 )
18:07 <Avatar> tristen, wake up
38:15 <***> Buffer Playback...
38:15 <***> Playback Complete.
39:02 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 5 people wanting to play is good
39:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I don't expect the 5 to stay
39:43 <Avatar> that means you need to schedule 6 people to come in at the same time on a regular basis
39:54 <Avatar> that's very tough
40:32 <Mekkis> alright
40:38 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not really, they come or they don't play
40:42 <Mekkis> I'm (more or less) back
40:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if I get minimum they'll play
40:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the plan is to make it so less or more people can play per session
41:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> depending on what happened when the session ende
41:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ended*
44:45 <Avatar> I think I tried that once and it didn't work very well
45:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> dnd it's a bit harder
45:13 <Avatar> can't remember what campaign
45:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> shadowrun not mission based is do able
45:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in WoD it can be very douable
45:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> doable*
46:31 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm... I could make it PFS-like for shadowrun
46:34 <Avatar> I wouldn't say someone else might have more luck than I did with it
46:40 <Avatar> I tried a lot of experimental things
46:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> would take a good number of house rules and campaign stuff
46:48 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but doable
48:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you have a list of what you tried? would be interesting to look at
48:46 <Avatar> not written down
48:48 <Avatar> I tried uh
49:27 <Avatar> houseruling different qualities of food paid for could affect how you heal overnight
49:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
50:02 <Avatar> I encouraged split partying
50:24 <Avatar> like I actually had two parties of 3 players once and worked it into one campaign
50:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hahahaha
51:07 <Avatar> events taking places in parallel times
51:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmmm
51:27 <Avatar> I was going to do quite a big one in LSK at one point, but then figured out it wasn't necessary
51:28 <Ballig> yeah I forget the name of the campaign
51:29 <Ballig> but I remember it :p
51:33 <Avatar> would've been an enormous amount of work
51:40 <Ballig> you made the luxury of a room at an inn affect healing
51:41 <Avatar> it was sleepless knights
51:44 <Avatar> if I prep tonight, can probably run another game tomorrow
51:44 <Ballig> no it wasn't
51:51 <Avatar> oh, that one was novablade
51:54 <Ballig> yes
51:55 <Ballig> novablade
52:25 <Ballig> it was pretty significant for level 1 characters who had no means of healing themselves (as usual everyone refused to play a cleric)
52:37 <Avatar> haha
52:49 <Ballig> I had fun with that crossdressing monk too :p
52:54 <Avatar> that was good
53:04 <Ballig> AntiCop fucking /hated/ that character
53:11 <Ballig> we had PVP action in the first session
53:15 <Ballig> because my character hit on AntiCop
53:27 <Avatar> I'm not a fan of pvp in campaigns
53:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
53:32 <Ballig> yeah nor am I
53:41 <Ballig> he attacked my monk so my monk knocked him unconscious with non-lethal attacks
53:42 <Avatar> I was going to make a thing of it in LSK where it would look like Jasim might be affected by the blight
53:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sure pvp in campaigns can be troublesome
53:52 <Ballig> then disarmed him and spent half the rest of the session refusing to give him his weapons back
53:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but if it happens, usually there is a reason more than one party being a dick
53:57 <Avatar> for some reason I cant' remember it didnt' eventuate
54:21 <tristen> oh and btw i can game tomorrow no wuckers
54:22 <Ballig> he was just homophobic
54:29 <Ballig> and freaked out at my male crossdressing monk hitting on his male character
54:48 <tristen> hahah!
55:04 <Avatar> who's available to play tomorrow morning
55:07 <Ballig> I am
55:11 <tristen> time?
55:18 <Avatar> 10ish
55:27 <Ballig> I can run The harrowing if you have characters ready
55:27 <Ballig> ha ha!
55:27 <Avatar> ha ha!
55:31 <Ballig> hey Avatar, make a druid
55:33 <Ballig> who rides a roc
55:35 <tristen> ok 10 ich goot
55:36 <Ballig> and uses a lance
55:36 <Avatar> HAHAHA
55:50 <Avatar> a druid/summoner synthesist
55:53 <Ballig> haha
56:01 <Ballig> no day job rolls on a pregen :(
56:10 <Avatar> still, +21 to diplomacy goes places
56:13 <Ballig> haha
56:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nah just give the eidolon +8 ride
56:30 <Avatar> it'd probably be like +30
56:36 <tristen> hey what's the "craft" in d20+craft?
56:37 <Avatar> I could just ready an ongoing action to diplomacise anyone we can
56:39 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and the do some funny ride skill based stuff
56:45 <Ballig> tristen: craft? for what?
56:49 <tristen> day job
56:55 <Ballig> you have to have a craft skill
56:57 <Ballig> or a profession skill
56:59 <Ballig> or a performance skill
57:05 <Ballig> or a vanity (that costs prestige) that lets you use another skill for day job
57:14 <Avatar> wait a sec, I thought I saw craft on your character sheet
57:30 <tristen> climb
57:31 <tristen> ride
57:34 <tristen> stealth
57:37 <tristen> survival
57:39 <Avatar> it's hitomi's 
57:40 <tristen> swim
57:41 <tristen> heal
57:42 <Avatar> thelen, are you there
57:50 <Ballig> Thelen: free goldz
58:10 <tristen> just skyped him - he's about
58:13 <Ballig> tristen: a little later you can consider buying a vanity (which will cost you prestige points) that will let you use survival or heal as a day job
58:22 <tristen> i think he may even be clothed
58:26 <Ballig> haha
58:30 <Ballig> he just doesn't have his nickname highlighted
58:35 <Avatar> you have enough prestige now
58:42 <Ballig> you do
58:46 <Ballig> but I wouldn't necessarily suggest you use it on a vanity
58:56 <tristen> i like the whole survival thing
58:57 <Ballig> the way you use early prestige can make a difference
59:09 <Avatar> the survival one is only 2 prestige
59:09 <tristen> what can i do with it day-job-wise?
59:16 <Avatar> use that instead of craft
59:29 <Ballig> basically each scenario you will get an extra 0-20ish gold
59:31 <Avatar> so just keep it maxed out whenever you level up
59:34 <Ballig> more the higher your skill is
59:34 <Thelen> wuuut
59:45 <Ballig> Thelen: roll hitomi's craft
00:30 <Avatar> then I've got to redo your chronicle sheet again
00:40 <Ballig> just add it with PDF creator
00:43 <Ballig> it's actually really easy
00:51 <Avatar> the site keeps a record of it though
00:57 <Ballig> kind of
01:03 <Avatar> what do you mean kind of
01:11 <Avatar> doesn't it?
01:16 <Ballig> it technically does
01:22 <Avatar> but
01:26 <Ballig> but it's not hard to overwrite
01:31 <Ballig> it's not really designed as chronicle sheet storage
01:40 <Spaceshot_tm2> anyone know of good non d20 RPGs?
01:48 <Avatar> it's not hard to overwrite if you create a new one over it
01:53 <Brunius> I'm told GURPS is good.
01:54 <Ballig> right
01:57 <Ballig> which anyone with an account can do
01:58 <Avatar> that doesn't count !
02:00 <Thelen> !throw 1d20+4 craft
02:01 <diebot> Thelen, craft: [1d20=12] 16
02:08 <Ballig> is that 10 gold?
02:09 <Ballig> I think there's a d6 star wars
02:14 <Avatar> yeah I think so
02:29 <Ballig> yeah
02:31 <Ballig> a free 10 gold
02:54 <Avatar> almost half way to a free 1st level scroll !
03:00 <tristen> i've got +8 survival
03:04 <Ballig> almost a full level 0 spell!
03:13 <tristen> does that mean i do the same roll +8 ?
03:18 <Ballig> tristen: you could reasonably expect 10 gold per scenario with that
03:24 <Avatar> you need to do it before the scenario
03:24 <Ballig> well, you need to buy the vanity first
03:49 <Avatar> is anyone going to care if you do it just after?
04:04 <Ballig> I don't think there's any specific rule on it
04:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> anything after d6 star wars?
04:23 <Avatar> Mekkis? any idea
04:27 <Thelen> +8 survival?
04:28 <Thelen> how?
04:38 <Avatar> how what
04:50 <tristen> it's a class skill of mine
04:54 <Thelen> ah
05:03 <Ballig> tristen: survival can't be used for a day job by default
05:15 <Thelen> was gonna say :D
05:16 <tristen> ok
05:17 <Ballig> you have to purchase a "vanity" from your faction (costing 2 prestige points) in order to be able to use survival for a day job
05:25 <Brunius> [21:01:23] <Ballig> I think there's a d6 star wars
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05:25 <Brunius> [21:03:27] <Spaceshot_tm2_> anything after d6 star wars?
05:33 <tristen> ok - so can i do that avatar?
05:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
05:39 <Avatar> i'm asking mekkis
05:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> preferably 1 that isn't setting specific
05:49 <Thelen> do we really have to do this?
05:51 <Ballig> Avatar: I'm pretty sure it would be open to interpretation
05:55 <Ballig> Thelen: do what
05:58 <Thelen> day job
06:01 <Brunius> GURPS.
06:01 <Thelen> its so little gold
06:01 <Ballig> you don't have to
06:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
06:05 <Avatar> why would you not
06:05 <Thelen> ok
06:05 <Ballig> but if you have the skill, why wouldn't you
06:09 <Avatar> don't you want free gold
06:10 <Avatar> can I have it
06:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it is tempting
06:14 <Brunius> It even tells you in the title!
06:14 <Thelen> i have enough gold
06:17 <Ballig> really
06:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it is class based though isn't it?
06:20 <Ballig> how much of it can I have
06:22 <Thelen> i have over 9000
06:23 <Avatar> why did you put a rank in craft then?
06:24 <Ballig> all of my characters always need gold
06:31 <Ballig> yeah, you have over 900, wait until you start buying things :p
06:34 <Thelen> >_>
06:34 <Ballig> Avatar: pregen
06:35 <Thelen> yea
06:42 <Thelen> no
06:43 <Brunius> No clue.
06:44 <Thelen> i picked craft
06:46 <Ballig> ahh
06:46 <Thelen> for traps ingame
06:50 <Thelen> anyway
06:51 <Mekkis> what are you asking me?
06:59 <Thelen> who gnomes
07:10 <Ballig> Mekkis: he wants to know if there's a specific ruling on vanities
07:18 <Ballig> you sound like you are looking for a very specific RPG
07:18 <Ballig> and whether you get to make the day job roll when you first buy it
07:21 <Ballig> or have to wait a scenario
07:21 <Mekkis> sure
07:24 <Ballig> instead of asking for suggestions you might need to start googling :p
07:25 <Mekkis> if you want
07:30 <Avatar> tristen: if you buy the vanity now, make a day job roll as well
07:31 <Mekkis> I almost did that
07:37 <Avatar> make sure you understand how prestige works though
07:41 <Thelen> Mekkis do you wanna pay me btw?
07:45 <Avatar> you can buy some damn valuable things with it, including resurrecting yourself
07:45 <Mekkis> yeah
07:48 <Ballig> haha
07:49 <Mekkis> give me details
07:51 <Ballig> "Nah, not really."
08:14 <Ballig> tristen: as an example, you could alternatively spend 2 prestige points to buy a single item worth up to 750 gold
08:14 <Mekkis> I've asked you several times... and you haven't given me any details
08:16 <tristen> avatar: with +8 to the roll? or just plain d20?
08:22 <Thelen> i pmed u :/
08:23 <Thelen> [email protected]  paypal, do you want it more than this 1st month? if not perhaps don't bother. esp with all the hassle with ipv6
08:24 <Ballig> it would be d20+8
08:25 <Avatar> d20+8
08:26 <Avatar> Spaceshot_tm2_: shadowrun
08:29 <Ballig> as long as you fully understand what buying the vanity means
08:30 <Brunius> Haha
08:31 <tristen> ok i'll do dat
08:31 <Ballig> and are willing to do that
08:35 <Avatar> I think a few of us even have characters ready to go for it
08:36 <Avatar> be certain you want the vanity
08:49 <tristen> gah!
08:55 <Avatar> and are willing to wait a little longer to be able to res yourself
08:55 <Ballig> haha
08:56 <Ballig> gah!
09:04 <Mekkis> Thelen, did you get something back from Austnet saying "you need a registered nick to message this user"?
09:11 <Avatar> dying in PFS and having to go back to level 1 isn't particularly fun
09:12 <Thelen> nope
09:14 <Thelen> pm works with others
09:42 <tristen> so alternatively i can buy a resurrection when?
09:45 <Mekkis> it often doesn't work with me
09:51 Mekkis sets mode -R Mekkis
09:52 <Mekkis> try now
09:57 <Thelen> tried
10:05 <Mekkis> ah
10:07 <Mekkis> now I've got it
10:18 <Ballig> tristen: not with /2/ PA
10:25 <Ballig> you just need to understand what 2 prestige is worth
10:28 <Ballig> before you decide to spend it
10:29 <Avatar> it's like 16 prestige to res yourself
10:36 <Avatar> 2 prestige will buy you a wand
10:40 <tristen> ok
10:43 <Avatar> of say, cure light wounds
10:44 <Ballig> or a half-decent weapon
10:48 <Ballig> he has a wand of cure light wounds
10:48 <Avatar> take a look at the PFS guide
10:54 <tristen> balls to the day job then
10:57 <tristen> ok
11:04 <Ballig> so 2 prestige is 1/8th of a resurrect
11:10 <Ballig> or any single item worth up to 750 gold
11:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
11:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wonder what happened
11:20 <tristen> yeah i might just save up my prestige for now if that's ok
11:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ballig: that was my first try
11:31 <tristen> i got good shit for now
11:32 <Ballig> yeah of course
11:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not that useful
11:55 <Avatar> you could always run that again if you want to get a game going
12:18 <Avatar> I'd be much keener on playing that than something brand new
12:24 <tristen> so tomorrow morning - is this gonna be the same characters?
12:46 <Avatar> jaggedsoul and horace wanted to play this morning
12:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tristen, would you be up for a weeknight shadowrun game?
12:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
13:00 <Avatar> I think our PFS games are consistently about 5 hours now
13:00 <Avatar> I didn't wake up till 11, and the game was starting at 2, and nobody else was here to DM
13:03 <tristen> lol yeah man for sure
13:04 <Avatar> and we needed a 3rd player
13:05 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I'm asking for my IRL game, not here :P
13:12 <Avatar> they may be back tomorrow
14:11 <Avatar> shadowrun is still a great option
14:29 <tristen> *scratches chin* shadowrun hey?
14:43 <Avatar> and star wars was good, if there is a d6 version (I think there is as well)
14:55 <Avatar> I'm a bit sorry we stopped playing the star wars ones
15:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm, I'm not a fan of starwars RPGs
15:20 <Avatar> you can do some really creative stuff
15:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and I'll put shadowrun as a suggestion, but I'm not sure they want a sci-fi game
15:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> that's why I'm gonna get a few games for them to choose, perferably with speed :P
16:06 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tis
16:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'll try and find a download for the collectors edition core rulebook
16:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> since that's what I've got, and it's got a few changes which I found out the last time I tried to play this
17:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> and tristen, what style would you prefer. the usual campaign, or a PFSesc/sandbox campaign?
17:37 <Brunius> Shadowrun?
17:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> since there's no mavor, it'll be less issues with minmaxing
18:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmm
18:17 <Brunius> I'll dropbox the rulebooks I've got
18:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> weeknight, but it might be an early start, so you should be able to play :P
18:26 <Brunius> (That includes the anniversary edition)
18:26 <tristen> sheesh, i have no idea - i'm just reading the wiki page...
18:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do you have the collectors edition main book?
19:22 <Brunius> I've got the anniversary edition core rulebook pdf
19:50 <Brunius> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22217817/Shadowrun.zip
19:54 <Brunius> Should be up in 42 minutes
20:04 <Brunius> 1hr T.T
20:11 <Brunius> My upload speed sucks
20:53 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not sure if ballig will try again
20:59 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nuce
21:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nice* that's the one I've got IRL brunius
22:14 <Avatar> hey shit
22:22 <Avatar> sleeping in armour automatically makes you fatigued the next day
22:34 <Avatar> that would be an issue if you camp and your watch fails
22:36 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
22:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> most people don't use those rules, or know of them
22:51 <Avatar> -2 to str and dex and cannot charge or run
22:54 <tristen> hey it's a d6 based system yeah?
22:57 <Avatar> tha'ts only medium or heavy armour
23:03 <tristen> skill based?
23:07 <Spaceshot_tm2_> basically
23:13 <tristen> smells like gurps - i like that
23:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> many d6 system
23:43 <tristen> yeah the good 'ol bell curve
24:14 <tristen> so yeah i'm up for it
24:15 <Ballig> why would you sleep in armour
24:33 <Ballig> sorry, I just don't understand the logic behind a failed watch making you sleep in armour
24:42 <tristen> i've got to bail out now - i'll leech that zip in the morning
24:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> again, nope
24:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> heh
24:55 <Ballig> you mean how they wouldn't be /wearing/ their armour if they get woken up in the middle of the night in an ambush?
24:57 <Avatar> what
25:05 <Avatar> yeah
25:13 <Ballig> that's actually considered as part of the danger for an ambush encounter
25:17 <tristen> later guys - and cheers again for the game
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25:23 <Avatar> how often do we remember that we're not wearing armour
25:29 <Avatar> I mean we would always assume we take it off
25:42 <Avatar> nobody wants to be fatigued the next day
26:02 <Ballig> I would assume you take it off unless you say othrewise
27:08 <Avatar> yeah
27:11 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ballig; would you play shadowrun if I were to run it again?
27:36 <Ballig> maybe
27:47 <Avatar> weeknights
27:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so avatar, tristen and maybe brunius
28:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> eh, better than nothing on first call
29:07 <Ballig> not when I'm working, no
29:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> bah
29:24 <Thelen> and me
29:56 <Ballig> Avatar already knew that answer
30:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> ooo
30:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> nice nice
30:36 <Avatar> we actually had to surrender in shades of ice 1 when we played it
30:41 <Avatar> to those 4 guys 
30:47 <Avatar> we got our asses kicked
30:52 <Avatar> are you only going to run it in here if ballig plays
31:01 <Avatar> our strongest party member died to them first
33:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what level?
34:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not if I get enough players
34:42 <Avatar> I think it was 3-5
34:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but ballig would be a player
35:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm looking for 3-5, 6 was just balls
35:02 <Avatar> today was tier 1-2
35:07 <Avatar> so he has to be a player or that's a dealbreaker is it
35:19 <Avatar> I wouldn't even recommend 5
35:32 <Avatar> the problem is getting that many people together for an extended campaign is incredibly tough
35:49 <Brunius> Yeah we were 4-5 Avatar
35:59 <Brunius> We were 3 at the time I think
36:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 5 is max
36:13 <Brunius> It was that orc cavalier
36:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> 3 is minimum
36:18 <Avatar> yeah
36:20 <Brunius> He jumped down but the rest of us didn't
36:23 <Avatar> who couldn't charge and didn't use a lance
36:36 <Avatar> if you had 5, I would pull out and let someone else take my spot so you could just have 4
36:38 <Avatar> I think John had the wrong impression of that building
37:02 <Avatar> the book doesn't mention anything about an upper area like that
37:11 <Avatar> all the descriptions of that second floor are very generalised
37:32 <Avatar> the battle is actually meant to take place outside
37:53 <Avatar> I don't remember if we ran upstairs quickly, which seems likely, and might have meant it happened on the second floor instead
37:59 <Avatar> but still not the way he did it
42:06 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4xyv?Additional-resources-updated#5
43:31 <Mekkis> hice !
43:34 <Mekkis> nice!
43:46 <Mekkis> someone NEEDS to make a kangaroo-rider !
43:56 <Mekkis> who wrestles crocodiles
44:25 <Brunius> And says crikey the whole time
56:29 <Brunius> Avatar: We fought some goblins or something on the first floor then went upstairs
56:43 <Brunius> Then when we got up there we found those guys trying to escape
56:46 <Avatar> yeah but did we rush up or did we take our time
56:56 <Avatar> if you rush, they are still there
57:08 <Avatar> succeeding on a perception check means you hear them up there
57:12 <Brunius> We found them in the room on the side
57:17 <Brunius> Then they dropped out
57:22 <Avatar> so where was the elevation in the roo
57:22 <Avatar> m
57:29 <Brunius> Wha?
57:40 <Avatar> like they didn't jump outside did they
57:55 <Avatar> the whole thing was indoors
57:56 <Brunius> They jumped off a bed onto a shed or something IIRC
58:03 <Brunius> From the second floor
58:11 <Avatar> connect to CA
58:12 <Avatar> 124.148.166.248
58:16 <Brunius> dev?
58:16 <Avatar> I've still got it loaded
58:26 <Avatar> yeah
58:26 <Avatar> (don't anyone else connect if you haven't played before)
59:02 <Brunius> Off the right there
59:15 <Brunius> I2 and I4 we found them in
59:30 <Brunius> As they were jumping outside
59:34 <Avatar> what?
59:37 <Avatar> there is no I2 and I4
59:42 <Brunius> Or like we got one round against them before they jumped outside
59:55 <Brunius> Which map?
59:59 <Avatar> map 3
00:08 <Brunius> There's an I2 and an I4 man
00:09 <Avatar> they leave outside the south-western window
00:20 <Avatar> that's where the outdoor bit happens
00:24 <Brunius> Yeah
00:25 <Avatar> on map 2
00:36 <Avatar> they didn't jump out there did they
00:41 <Brunius> Yeah they jumped out directly above there
01:04 <Brunius> Like B7 on map 3
01:26 <Avatar> from B6 to A6
01:34 <Brunius> Yeah
01:41 <Avatar> but we were still inside
01:42 <Ballig> where did the encounter take place
01:46 <Brunius> I've gotta go yo
01:47 <Brunius> Later
01:52 <Avatar> bye
01:57 <Brunius> Inside for like 1 round maybe 2 then outside
02:01 <Brunius> Night guys
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02:06 <Ballig> where outside
02:15 <Avatar> well, I have no recollection of that
02:26 <Avatar> it must've happened because brunius had no other way of knowing
02:42 <Ballig> what must've happened
02:44 <Ballig> I didn't read all that
02:52 <Avatar> that they jump outsdie
02:55 <Ballig> and what I did read was using CA coords
03:01 <Avatar> I thought the whole thing happened inside
03:01 <Ballig> yeah, and t hen where did you fight them outside
03:02 <Ballig> in the yard?
03:11 <Avatar> no, I remember them fighting inside the entire time
03:12 <Ballig> the icy yard
03:26 <Ballig> but where did Brunius say it happened
03:39 <Avatar> outside, where you guys did it
03:50 <Ballig> that seems like where it's meant to take place
04:03 <Avatar> it is, but that's not where I remember it happening when I played it
04:54 <Avatar> I do remember having trouble working out where we were standing because it was so awkward on the foldout map
05:05 <Avatar> seeing the walls was incredibly difficult
08:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so avatar, do you care what style campaign I run?
09:00 <Avatar> what styles are there
09:12 <Ballig> basically he wants to know if you're willing ot learn a completely new system
10:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> what?
10:23 <Brunius_> Right outside the windows
10:35 <Brunius_> Then like 10ft away
10:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I mean do you want it to be a campaign where the players are the centre of the universe, or a sandbox/PFS style
10:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd prefer the sandbox/PFS style
10:57 <Ballig> Brunius_: which windows?
10:59 <Ballig> on the icy ground?
11:04 <Ballig> or out the front where the guards were?
11:12 <Brunius_> On the left of map 3
11:22 <Ballig> I'm not seeing the map
11:26 <Ballig> but if you are saying the west side of the building, sure
11:37 <Mekkis> of Course the players are the centre of their universe
12:37 <Ballig> how do you compare PFS to sandbox
13:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> PFS and sandbox have a lot of similar characteristics
13:28 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you aren't required to play the same character each time, you don't need to do things in any specific order (usually)
13:36 <Mekkis> that's actually a really big compliment
13:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> each sesion is it's own story
13:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which one?
14:23 <Mekkis> a lot of people criticise PFS for not allowing a large range of possibilities
14:44 <Ballig> I actually think it's almost as far from sandbox as you can get, usually
14:50 <Ballig> very dependent on the scenario you are playing
15:09 <Ballig> to me it's the undeniable nature of organised play
15:13 <Ballig> you have to take the bad with the good
16:11 <Mekkis> it means that we've been DMing really well
18:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sure PFS does cut down many stuff to make it organised play suitable
18:37 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it still does have a lot of mechanics which sandbox uses
19:32 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'd prefer to run a shadowrun campaign where there is like an underground organisation of runners
20:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> which can decide to do missions given by the organisation, take jobs they find on the surface, or even just explore around the area
41:53 <Mekkis> yay for Shandalar
42:02 <Mekkis> and the rules that don't work anymore :S
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50:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> haha
50:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> shandalar is fucking awesome
51:03 <Mekkis> it is
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08:11 <Mekkis> much better than DotP
15:14 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the new one yea
15:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it is fucking awesome
15:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> even battlegrounds > new DotP
17:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so mekkis, you interested in shadowrun?
17:59 <Mekkis> not particularly
18:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> mmk
21:40 <Avatar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFGr_mkQaA
21:43 <Avatar> don't read the comments, just watch
22:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> wow that was boring
22:39 <Avatar> bit like you
23:09 <Spaceshot_tm2_> :P
27:27 <Spaceshot_tm2_> avatar; if I give you enough time, will you read what you need to read (how the game works, how combat works, what the stuff you bought in character creation does) rather than just skim?
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