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33:24 <Avatar> snypt: still no interest in skyrim
38:08 <Avatar> zzz
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42:59 <tristen> 'morning!
46:14 <Ballig> sup
46:21 <Ballig> love how we have players who show up for once
46:34 <tristen> just got back from my ride
46:51 <tristen> gotta make a pork-product-sandwich
46:55 <tristen> put the kettle on
47:23 <Ballig> haha
47:28 <Ballig> shouldn't you be eating BEFORE your ride
48:34 <tristen> possibly but i'm still too asleep
48:41 <tristen> now i'm SET
51:20 <tristen> thelen's about too i think...hang on...
51:39 <Ballig> he's on skype
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55:21 <Ballig> it's the crazy estonian!
55:46 <tristen> s711!
59:02 <Thelen> HE NO CRAZY!
00:17 <tristen> HE'S FROM BARCELONA...no wait...HE'S FROM TALLINN
00:45 <Thelen> My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die
01:06 <Thelen> .ee is from the Kingdom of Eek
01:12 <Thelen> lots of very scared (and scary) people there
01:19 <Ballig> except that he's really from estonia
01:19 <Ballig> :p
02:12 <tristen> lolol
03:52 <Avatar> Ballig: do you have scenarios prepared to DM
04:05 <Ballig> crypt of the everflame
04:13 <Avatar> new ones
04:18 <Avatar> canine's in CotE
04:32 <Avatar> he didn't reply to me yesterday
04:39 <Ballig> I could do voice of the void
04:46 <Ballig> or voice in the void, whatever it's called
05:08 <Avatar> I've played that one
05:31 <Avatar> it's fine if you can find another 3rd 
05:51 <Ballig> oh I didn't realise it was all about you
05:51 <Ballig> :p
06:02 <Avatar> :|
06:13 <Avatar> I could probably do frostfur captives
06:58 <Ballig> what's that
07:07 <Avatar> season 3 scenario
07:12 <Ballig> is it level 1
07:20 <Avatar> with level 1ers we should get the level 1 scenarios out of the way though
07:27 <Avatar> frostfur isn't level 1
07:41 <Ballig> are you going to TPK us with first steps 2
07:42 <Avatar> weren't we part way through first steps 3
07:45 <Ballig> yes
07:50 <Avatar> I don't know, I've never played it
07:54 <Avatar> who was in first steps 3
08:11 <Ballig> I can't remember
08:46 <Avatar> well I hope you don't expect me to remember
08:54 <Ballig> I'd expect Mekkis to remember
09:27 <Avatar> speaking of mekkis, where is that old man
09:36 <Ballig> isn't he younger than you
09:48 <Avatar> maybe, my memory isn't what it used to be
09:55 <Ballig> it used to be better?
10:04 <Avatar> maybe, my memory isn't what it used to be
11:42 <Avatar> okay we played first steps 3 on 26/11/11
11:54 <Avatar> who is Cathrane
12:06 <Avatar> brunius
12:10 <Avatar> god we'll never finish that scenario
12:27 <Avatar> and jaggedsoul is in that game too
13:02 <Ballig> jaggedsoul is the one who will never come back
13:13 <Avatar> he was here for it last week
13:21 <Avatar> the same weekend brunius said he was available
13:30 <Avatar> (and then wasn't)
13:36 <Ballig> jaggedsoul wasn't here
13:45 <Avatar> he was in we be goblins
13:49 <Ballig> no he wasn't
13:52 <Ballig> was he
13:55 <Avatar> yes
14:05 <Ballig> with his stupid cafe
14:18 <Avatar> well that's a matter of perspective
14:20 <tristen> yeah no mike
14:26 <Ballig> who's mike
14:31 <Thelen> miC
14:34 <Ballig> oh
14:41 <tristen> lol i thought you were kidding
14:57 <Thelen> lol
16:53 <Avatar> guess I'll sms mekkis
17:01 <Ballig> call him on skype
17:06 <Ballig> that will get his attention before an SMS will
17:16 <Thelen> lol skype ring
17:19 <Thelen> so annoying
17:23 <Ballig> yep
17:27 <Thelen> brrp brrp be beeep beep
17:31 <Thelen> *repeat*
17:35 <Avatar> he will just learn to turn it off
17:37 <tristen> bahahah
17:39 <Avatar> if he hasn't already
17:40 <Thelen> i do
17:43 <Thelen> i have all system sound off
17:48 <Thelen> windows, msn, skype, itunes, everything
17:56 <tristen> pffft windows
18:14 <tristen> the command prompt is the way of the future
18:16 <Thelen> how do u play skyrim on linooks?
18:30 <tristen> lol i don't - i use josh's
18:36 <Thelen> bwhaha
18:41 <Avatar> are you two both linux junkies as well
18:43 <tristen> my eyes are bleeding
18:47 <tristen> i'm at level 39
18:48 <Thelen> so not only are you a linux-boob, you steal PCs too!
18:57 <Thelen> Avatar not on the deskptop, but serevrs :D
19:22 <tristen> yeah
19:34 <tristen> i run a desktop though
19:37 <Thelen> we are both Q3 junkies
19:39 <Thelen> though
19:40 <tristen> only way to do development
19:51 <Mekkis> I'm here
19:58 <Thelen> and your queer!
20:36 <Ballig> his queer?
20:39 <Mekkis> do we have players?
20:42 <Avatar> it's us 4
20:52 <Thelen> "we're here and were queer"
21:01 <Avatar> yeah, us 4
21:07 <Ballig> they were queer but they aren't anymore?
21:09 <Thelen> i made skype group
21:17 <Thelen> we're
21:26 <Thelen> missed a apostraphee
21:35 <Mekkis> which destroyed the whole meaning
21:38 <Ballig> now you're making it too easy to make fun of you
21:39 <Ballig> :p
21:57 <Thelen> echo "We\'re here and we\'re queer";
22:12 <tristen> "i'm there and i'm square"
22:16 <Ballig> Mekkis: I need an asprintf alternative
22:29 <Thelen> titprintf ?
22:38 <Ballig> now you're just making things up
22:47 <Thelen> someone needs to make a sexual/prono language
23:03 <Ballig> and it should be graphical
23:06 <Avatar> hm, if we play first steps 2 I'd have to play as my ninja
23:08 <Ballig> except that then no one would ever finish making a program
23:16 <Thelen> lol
23:42 <Mekkis> #ifdef __MINGW32__ 
23:42 <Mekkis> #ifdef __ASPRINTF_HACK_ // Mingw doesn't have asprintf
23:42 <Mekkis> #define __ASPRINTF_HACK_
23:42 <Mekkis> #include <windows.h> 
23:42 <Mekkis> int asprintf(char **ret, const char *fmt, ...); 
23:42 <Mekkis> #endif
23:56 <Avatar> Mekkis: which scenario
24:08 <Mekkis> first steps 3
24:26 <Avatar> me and ballig are already half way through it
24:34 <Avatar> unless we're going to abandon that game and restart it
24:35 <Mekkis> where are the others?
24:45 <Avatar> brunius is unavailable, who knows about jaggedsoul
25:00 <Mekkis> should we assume that they're not coming back?
25:01 <tristen> maybe keep an npc handy 
25:11 <tristen> if jagged lobs in, then he can take the npc?
27:25 <Avatar> are you skyping today mekkis
27:32 <Mekkis> ok
27:47 <Avatar> we dont' need an npc for jaggedsoul, that is asking for trouble
27:48 <Mekkis> are you content to abandon it and restart it?
28:03 <Avatar> i'm fine with it
28:05 <Mekkis> or do you want to continue, and I'll fill the new players in on what's happened?
28:08 <Avatar> I don't know about b1 and j2
28:18 <Avatar> I can sms brunius
28:35 <Avatar> how far in were we
28:41 <Mekkis> about half way
32:12 <Avatar> brunius is happy for us to restart it
32:21 <Avatar> and I think if jaggedsoul shows, he can join in and get credit
32:29 <Avatar> otherwise too bad if we can't communicate with him
32:34 <Avatar> that's his fault
32:51 <Mekkis> would you rather restart or continue. I should be able to add new players
33:04 <Avatar> continue
33:12 <Avatar> thelen said he's happy to continue
33:29 <Avatar> we need a refresh
35:15 <Mekkis> ok
35:25 <Mekkis> connect to devca
36:26 <Avatar> is this new
36:40 <Mekkis> no...
36:41 <Avatar> is that the 'half way' point
37:46 <Avatar> did you say you're coming into skype
38:17 <Mekkis> you've been asked to go to Escadar with an artifact to trade it with the gillmen there for one of the azlanti artefacts that they discovered there.
38:53 <Mekkis> You were told to meet up with Grandmaster Torch, who gave you a map (which you can see on map2)
39:03 Avatar is now known as Mellon
39:09 Ballig is now known as Samsuhn
39:20 Thelen is now known as Hitomi
39:20 Mellon is now known as Avatar
40:08 Avatar is now known as Mellon
40:15 ChanOP gives voice to Samsuhn
40:18 ChanOP gives voice to Mellon
40:22 ChanOP gives voice to Hitomi
40:28 ChanOP gives voice to tristen
40:58 tristen is now known as Tasiv
41:10 <Mellon> diebot.ti4200.info
41:14 <Hitomi> diebot.ti4200.info:4000
42:15 <Mekkis> You were told that the Aspis Consortium wishes to get their hands on the artifact, and that if you haven't completed your business within 30 days, the gillmen will make their arrangements with the Consortium
43:35 <Mekkis> An appraiser, Nestor Rees is accompanying you, and will look to determine whether the deal is genuine.
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45:01 <Mekkis> So far, you've travelled through the Cainlands to the north of Absalom, gravely insulted several centaurs, and killed a Krenshar.
45:42 <Mekkis> I'll give you the full briefing for your reference if you want.
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46:09 <Mekkis> Tasiv, 
46:16 <Mekkis> So far, you've travelled through the Cainlands to the north of Absalom, gravely insulted several centaurs, and killed a Krenshar.
46:17 <Hitomi> woot
46:28 <Mekkis> I'll give you the full briefing for your reference if you want.
46:36 <Samsuhn> he's getting it from Avatar
46:40 <Samsuhn> are you  not on skype Mekkis?
49:57 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/FirstSteps3Briefing.txt
57:25 <Mellon> we continue on our journey to escadar blissfully unawares of any centaur warnings
58:52 <Mekkis> You travel up the mountains, it's getting rather cold.
59:08 <Mellon> how cold
59:33 <Mekkis> about 40 F
00:05 <Mellon> we don't care
00:08 <Mellon> we are adventurers
00:23 <Mekkis> make perception checks
00:33 <Mellon> for concealed items?
00:37 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 perception
00:38 <diebot> Samsuhn, perception: [1d20=1] 4
00:40 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+2 perception
00:41 <diebot> Mellon, perception: [1d20=11] 13
00:42 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 perception
00:43 <diebot> Tasiv, perception: [1d20=4] 5
01:45 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2 perception
01:45 <diebot> Hitomi, perception: [1d20=9] 11
02:01 <Mekkis> As the sun begins to set, Mellon notices a covered wagon half-buried in the snow.
02:07 <Mekkis> just off the path
02:16 <Mellon> I point it out to the others
02:35 <Mellon> we investigate
02:36 <Samsuhn> "Let's investigate!"
02:37 <Mellon> stealthily
02:41 <Mekkis> roll stealth
02:43 <Mekkis> :)
02:52 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+3 stealth
02:53 <diebot> Mellon, stealth: [1d20=4] 7
02:54 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+1 stealth
02:55 <diebot> Samsuhn, stealth: [1d20=13] 14
03:03 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+7 stealth
03:04 <diebot> Tasiv, stealth: [1d20=1] 8
03:23 <Hitomi> "I think I'll keep an eye out" and hold back
04:01 <Mekkis> You approach the wagon, and lift the cover
04:10 <Mekkis> revealing three frozen bodies
04:32 <Samsuhn> I cast detect magic
04:32 <Mellon> heal check, how did they die
04:36 <Samsuhn> and check the bodies and wagon
04:57 <Mekkis> sure
05:00 <Mekkis> roll it
05:26 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+1 healcheck
05:26 <diebot> Hitomi, healcheck: [1d20=15] 16
06:01 <Mekkis> Hitomi discovers that the people have died from freezing
06:06 <Mellon> !throw 1d20 heal aiding
06:07 <diebot> Mellon, heal aiding: [1d20=7] 7
06:45 <Mellon> can we search the wagon
06:47 <Mekkis> sure
06:50 <Mekkis> nothing magical
07:23 <Mellon> concealed items ?
07:27 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 perception (search)
07:28 <diebot> Samsuhn, perception (search): [1d20=5] 8
07:35 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+5 perception
07:36 <diebot> Mellon, perception: [1d20=2] 7
07:36 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 perception
07:37 <diebot> Tasiv, perception: [1d20=2] 3
07:55 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2
07:55 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+2: [1d20=6] 8
08:00 <Mekkis> the three corpses are wearing cold-weather outfits, and there's a wood-burning stove at the back of the wagon.
08:18 <Hitomi> "Looks to me like they could have survive, this is fishy!"
08:44 <Mekkis> There is a small amount of trade goods: cured meats and cheeses in the wagon as well.
08:47 <Hitomi> actually is there any wood to burn?
08:49 <Mellon> I take a cold weather outfit
09:04 <Mekkis> there is
09:05 <Tasiv> there's the cart to burn
09:11 <Hitomi> :D
09:13 <Mekkis> probably enough to last the night
09:25 <Hitomi> "Very fishy, there is plenty of wood to burn!"
09:31 <Tasiv> yeah i agree
09:40 <Hitomi> are we in an ambush position?
09:44 <Hitomi> ie close to a cliff etc
09:52 <Mekkis> not really
10:13 <Samsuhn> we'll take the provisions
10:14 <Hitomi> can we double check they are dead?
10:19 <Mekkis> okay
10:22 <Mekkis> they're dead
10:25 <Mekkis> and nonundead
10:34 <Hitomi> can we check for foul-play
10:37 <Hitomi> ok
11:10 <Samsuhn> "You three take the outfits."
11:17 <Mellon> "Sweet."
11:21 <Mellon> "What about you?"
11:31 <Samsuhn> "I'll be okay."
11:37 <Tasiv> "okay"
11:50 <Tasiv> "we'll take the food"
11:59 <Mekkis> it's starting to get dark now
12:01 <Mellon> "I'm happy to move on if you all are."
12:03 <Mekkis> what are your plans
12:29 <Mellon> we'll camp
12:45 <Tasiv> yep we'll camp
12:45 <Mekkis> okay
12:50 <Hitomi> "I will keep watch, you guys setup camp. light that fire"
12:55 <Mekkis> where are you camping?
13:32 <Mellon> "I don't think we should camp here."
13:43 <Mellon> "Someone might come back."
14:21 <Mekkis> colours and sizes please
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14:59 Jaggedsoul is now known as Gogg
15:09 <Gogg> hey guys
15:16 <Gogg> sorry I'm late
15:33 <Hitomi> hi Gogg
15:47 <Mellon> we travelled a bit further up
15:52 <Mellon> found a caravan thingamabob
16:05 <Mellon> now we're deciding if it's a good ambush spot for someone to get us or whether it's okay to camp there
16:22 <Mellon> me, Hitomi and Tasiv nabbed the cold weather outfits there
16:33 <Mekkis> colours and sizes please
17:01 <Mellon> blue, medium
17:22 <Mellon> samsuhn was white
17:25 <Mellon> gogg was brown
18:18 <Gogg> ok
18:59 <Gogg> is there a map for CA already?
19:03 <Mellon> 30/44/15
19:05 <Mellon> yeah
19:53 <Tasiv> green for me?
20:32 <Samsuhn> we'll camp away from the wagon
20:45 <Gogg> what's the address for the map?
20:45 <Tasiv> can we remove the wood heater from the wagon?
22:14 <Samsuhn> diebot.ti4200.info
23:43 <Mekkis> yes, you can
24:02 <Samsuhn> we'll camp against the cliff wall further down the path we came from
24:05 <Samsuhn> while we can still see the caravan
24:06 <Mekkis> it'll take about half an hour to move all the wood out, if you want to try to use it
24:36 <Samsuhn> we won't move the heater
24:43 <Samsuhn> I'll watch first
24:43 <Mekkis> ok
24:50 <Mekkis> what are sleeping/watching arrangements?
24:55 <Tasiv> double-watches?
25:03 <Gogg> I'm second
25:56 <Mellon> double watches
26:03 <Tasiv> i'll go first
26:10 <Mellon> I'll go second
26:11 <Samsuhn> Tasiv/Samsuhn first watch
27:00 <Mellon> Gogg/Hitomi for seocnd watch
27:01 <Samsuhn> Tasiv/Mellon for last watch
27:01 <Tasiv> aye
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29:25 <Mekkis> ataxia.il.us.austnet.org
30:58 <Gogg> took what out?
31:52 <Gogg> btw guys, can you add me in fb?
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32:21 scoutlan.qld.au.austnet.org gives voice to Samsuhn Tasiv Mellon Hitomi
32:37 ChanOP gives voice to Gogg
32:48 <Hitomi>  <+Samsuhn> Tasiv/Samsuhn first watch
32:48 <Hitomi> [11:26] <+Mellon> Gogg/Hitomi for seocnd watch
32:48 <Hitomi> [11:26] <+Samsuhn> Tasiv/Mellon for last watch
32:50 <Mellon> [11:26] <Samsuhn> Tasiv/Samsuhn first watch
32:51 <Mellon> [11:26] <Mellon> Gogg/Hitomi for seocnd watch
32:51 <Mellon> [11:26] <Samsuhn> Tasiv/Mellon for last watch
33:27 <Mekkis> you settled down, try to huddle together for warmth
33:31 <Mellon> 6 hours ?
33:41 <Mellon> no that can't be right
33:46 <Mekkis> first watch, perception checks please
33:53 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 perception
33:54 <diebot> Samsuhn, perception: [1d20=7] 10
34:00 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 perception
34:00 <diebot> Tasiv, perception: [1d20=15] 16
34:16 <Mekkis> the watch passes without incident
34:29 <Samsuhn> sleepytime for me
34:32 <Samsuhn> zzz
34:35 <Tasiv> zzzz
34:40 <Mekkis> Tasiv and Samsuhn wake Gogg and hitomi
34:52 <Samsuhn> yeah, I put my boot into Gogg to get him up
34:52 <Mekkis> Gogg, Hitomi, make perception checks
34:55 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2
34:55 <Gogg> yawns
34:56 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+2: [1d20=7] 9
35:00 <Gogg> !throw 1d20-1 perception
35:01 <diebot> Gogg, perception: [1d20=2] 1
35:08 <Hitomi> gogg is still sleepy
35:09 <Mekkis> none of you notice anything
35:13 <Gogg> still sleepy
35:15 <Mekkis> except that it's getting cold
35:35 <Mekkis> Gogg, Hitomi, Mellon, Samsuhn, Tasiv: make fortitude saves against cold
36:06 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+4 fort
36:06 <diebot> Tasiv, fort: [1d20=4] 8
36:10 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+5 fort
36:11 <diebot> Hitomi, fort: [1d20=8] 13
36:12 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+2
36:13 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20+2: [1d20=6] 8
36:19 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6 fort vs cold
36:19 <diebot> Gogg, fort vs cold: [1d20=19] 25
36:52 <Gogg> "warm weather"
36:59 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+7 fort vs cold (cold weather outfit, huddling)
36:59 <diebot> Mellon, fort vs cold (cold weather outfit, huddling): [1d20=8] 15
37:17 <dMekkis> Gogg is unaffected 
37:22 <dMekkis> everyone else takes
37:28 <dMekkis> !throw 1d6 nonlethal damage
37:29 <diebot> dMekkis, nonlethal damage: [1d6=1] 1
37:39 <Tasiv> !throw 1d6
37:39 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d6: [1d6=3] 3
37:44 <Samsuhn> "Fuck this, let's go to the stove."
37:44 <Hitomi> "Lets ligt a fire"
37:53 <Tasiv> "yeah this sucks"
37:56 <Mellon> *grumble grumble*, I go back to sleep
38:18 <Mellon> I join the others, grumbling
38:25 * Hitomi kicks him in the nuts "c'mon"
38:28 <Gogg> me too
38:42 <Samsuhn> we'll continue to make our normal watches
38:59 <Samsuhn> the people watching will use the cold weather gear
40:14 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20
40:14 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20: [1d20=16] 16
40:15 <Mellon> !throw 1d20 survival
40:15 <diebot> Mellon, survival: [1d20=7] 7
40:36 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+5 surv
40:36 <diebot> Tasiv, surv: [1d20=4] 9
42:00 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+5 surv
42:00 <diebot> Hitomi, surv: [1d20=7] 12
42:46 <Gogg> !throw 1d20-1 survival
42:46 <diebot> Gogg, survival: [1d20=9] 8
43:27 <dMekkis> you don't know
43:57 <Mellon> did we finish the second watch?
44:11 <dMekkis> no
44:15 <dMekkis> so
44:27 <dMekkis> you're in the caravan, except for Gogg and Hitomi 
44:31 <dMekkis> with the stove on?
44:32 <dMekkis> correct?
45:22 <Mellon> can we use perception for hearing inside the caravan
45:24 <Tasiv> everyone's in the caravan
45:30 <Gogg> agree
45:32 <Mellon> so we have some level of watch
45:37 <Mellon> and maximum warmth
45:49 <dMekkis> make fortitude saves
45:53 <Tasiv> mmm frozen corpses
45:55 <dMekkis> with a +4
46:08 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+3
46:09 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+3: [1d20=1] 4
46:23 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+6
46:23 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20+6: [1d20=20] 26
46:34 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+10 fort vs cold
46:35 <diebot> Gogg, fort vs cold: [1d20=5] 15
46:40 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+10 fort
46:41 <diebot> Mellon, fort: [1d20=6] 16
46:44 <Hitomi> whats the modified we have currently?
47:05 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+14  fort
47:05 <diebot> Hitomi, fort: [1d20=11] 25
47:22 <Mellon> I'm actually 17
47:24 <dMekkis> Tasiv, Gogg each take
47:34 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+15 for me then vs cold
47:35 <diebot> Gogg, for me then vs cold: [1d20=4] 19
47:38 <dMekkis> !throw 1d6 nonlethal damage
47:39 <diebot> dMekkis, nonlethal damage: [1d6=2] 2
47:47 <dMekkis> ok
47:54 <Mellon> tasiv rolled 14, not 4
47:55 <dMekkis> gogg doesn't take that
47:57 <Gogg> 20 then
47:59 <Tasiv> ok
48:10 <dMekkis> Tasiv still does
48:18 <dMekkis> the following hour, make fort saves again
48:28 <Mellon> to be clear, it's +5 if you have a cold weather outfit, +4 for the fire, +1 because you're huddling, and +fort 
48:33 <dMekkis> no
48:43 <dMekkis> you don't get the +1, I've already added thatin
48:50 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+13
48:50 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+13: [1d20=19] 32
48:50 <Gogg> do I have a cold weather outfit?
49:08 <Gogg> shucks
49:31 <Tasiv> cold weather outfit nazi says: "NO SUIT FOR YOU"
49:32 <Samsuhn> I'm using my endure elements scroll on myself
49:57 <dMekkis> ok
50:40 <Gogg> hmmmm
50:52 <Hitomi> gogg what is ur fort
50:57 <Gogg> +4
51:06 <Gogg> +6
51:20 <Gogg> +2 ftr +4 con
51:42 <Hitomi> im ftr, my sheet only says +4, is that right?
51:58 <Samsuhn> if your constitution is +2, yes
52:11 <Hitomi> so its really +4 then +2 more?
53:10 <Tasiv> "can we put the kettle on?"
53:32 <Hitomi> poly has the kettle
53:44 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+11 fort save
53:44 <diebot> Mellon, fort save: [1d20=16] 27
54:06 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+13 fort
54:07 <diebot> Hitomi, fort: [1d20=6] 19
54:12 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+11 fort vs cold
54:13 <diebot> Gogg, fort vs cold: [1d20=6] 17
54:16 <dMekkis> ok
54:27 <dMekkis> the following hour, saves again please
54:32 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+11 fort vs cold
54:33 <diebot> Gogg, fort vs cold: [1d20=10] 21
54:34 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+13
54:34 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+13: [1d20=8] 21
54:37 <Samsuhn> I sleep blissfully
54:40 <Hitomi> ho wmany hours have passed?
54:42 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+13 fort
54:43 <diebot> Hitomi, fort: [1d20=5] 18
55:03 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+11 fort save
55:03 <diebot> Mellon, fort save: [1d20=6] 17
55:10 <dMekkis> hitomi and Mellon take
55:15 <dMekkis> !throw 1d6 nonlethal damage
55:16 <diebot> dMekkis, nonlethal damage: [1d6=4] 4
55:31 * Hitomi 9/13
55:43 <Tasiv> i will
56:07 <dMekkis> Tasiv notices that the sun's started rising
56:16 <Hitomi> can't Samsuhn go outside with protect elements?
56:25 <Samsuhn> I was asleep
56:57 <Hitomi> "Lets make breakfast and recover for a few hours"
57:31 <Hitomi> "Lets devine the weather for tonight"
58:00 <Mellon> mekkis are you there
58:20 <Gogg> hot heads
58:24 <Gogg> cold weather
58:50 * Hitomi shouts "STFU, make breakfast and recover for 2 hours"
58:50 <Samsuhn> we're moving
59:40 <Samsuhn> we're resting until we have 8 hours rest
59:42 <Samsuhn> then we're moving
59:44 <Tasiv> right
59:48 <Gogg> agree
00:07 <Hitomi> me and tasiv should take the watch, everyone else inside
00:28 <Mellon> I keep sleeping
00:50 <Tasiv> yep we let mellon sleep undisturbed
00:55 <dMekkis> ok
01:10 <dMekkis> you continue your sleep and wake up in the morning
01:13 <dMekkis> three hours have passes
01:16 <dMekkis> passed*
01:17 <Tasiv> excellent
01:18 <Samsuhn> we head out
01:21 <dMekkis> ok
01:24 <Samsuhn> and continue our epic journey of epicness
01:24 <Tasiv> yep let's go
01:32 <Tasiv> hang on
01:35 <Tasiv> before we go
01:39 <dMekkis> the path continues through the mountains.
01:41 <Tasiv> can we carry any of this wood?
01:44 <dMekkis> no
01:47 <dMekkis> it's all burned
01:47 <Gogg> heigh ho, heigh ho...
01:49 <Tasiv> ok
01:51 <Tasiv> let's go
02:08 <Tasiv> do you want order of marching?
02:11 <dMekkis> as the path winds around a large mountain, make perception checks
02:13 <dMekkis> not really
02:18 <Tasiv> k
02:19 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 perception
02:20 <diebot> Samsuhn, perception: [1d20=15] 18
02:27 <Gogg> !throw 1d20-1 perception
02:28 <diebot> Gogg, perception: [1d20=5] 4
02:30 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+2 perception
02:31 <diebot> Mellon, perception: [1d20=2] 4
02:35 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2 perc
02:35 <diebot> Hitomi, perc: [1d20=5] 7
02:43 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1
02:43 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+1: [1d20=15] 16
02:50 <dMekkis> Samsuhn, above the path, on a ledge, you see a golden glint of light
02:55 <dMekkis> about 50' above the path
03:06 <Samsuhn> "Hey, what's that?"
03:17 <Hitomi> as in the sun reflecting off something
03:18 <Samsuhn> "Can anyone climb up to check it out?" (I'm pointing at it)
03:22 <Hitomi> i have climb :D
03:24 <Mellon> "Not me."
03:24 <Tasiv> "i can climb ok"
03:34 <dMekkis> looking closer, you see that there's something like a statue up there.
03:45 <dMekkis> what are people doing?
04:45 <Samsuhn> one sec
05:17 <Samsuhn> "Hitomi, can you take off your armour and climb up?"
05:39 <Gogg> I can take off mine and climb
05:48 <Gogg> that will give me +5
05:57 <Hitomi> atm we're +8
06:15 <dMekkis> what are you doing?
06:24 <Tasiv> thinking...thinking...
06:48 <dMekkis> it feels like whenever I ask for a check, you form a committee to try to optimise your chances
07:14 <Samsuhn> of course we do
07:16 <Samsuhn> or else we die
07:20 <Mellon> I've got a grappling hook
07:23 <Tasiv> all in favour say "aye"
07:27 <Hitomi> "aye"
07:29 <Mellon> aye
07:32 <Tasiv> "aye"
07:37 <Gogg> who has the best climb?
07:39 <Samsuhn> Mellon is using his grappling hook to attach to the ledge
07:41 <Hitomi> me
07:42 <Samsuhn> and Hitomi is climbing the rope
07:47 * Hitomi does a strip-dance and prepares to climb
07:58 <Gogg> what the
10:31 <Samsuhn> Hitomi will take off his armour and take 10 on the climb, right Hitomi?
10:55 <Hitomi> "yes sounds like a plan"
11:00 <Tasiv> so roll!
11:00 <dMekkis> Hitomi climbs up
11:03 <Samsuhn> he doesn't roll
11:05 <Samsuhn> he's taking 10
11:05 <Tasiv> lol
11:06 <Tasiv> ok
11:11 <Tasiv> so don't roll!
11:17 <Gogg> lol
11:40 <Gogg> Hitomi, transform and roll out!
13:20 <Hitomi> "hey guys, there is an offering statue and bowl. I think we shoud put in some gold to guarantee safe passage"
13:34 <Samsuhn> I shout up "Do it."
14:11 <Tasiv> "YES DO IT"
14:19 <Hitomi> 5gp?
14:25 <Tasiv> "YEEEESSSS"
14:35 <Hitomi> my preccssioussss
14:50 <Mellon> "5gp is fine!"
14:54 <Tasiv> "of course we will"
14:55 * Hitomi puts in 25gp
15:08 <Gogg> "yep"
16:02 <Mellon> I'm muted 
16:08 <Mellon> my headset gives me the shits
16:23 <Mellon> where on the site does it have a link to here
16:24 <Gogg> guys
16:26 <Mellon> on dungeon of magic
16:31 <Mellon> yo Gogg
16:35 <Mellon> how are you
16:43 <Gogg> doin great
16:55 <Gogg> you guys can add me in facebook
17:08 <Gogg> [email protected]
18:55 <Mellon> are you on google+
19:02 <Gogg> no
19:15 <Gogg> I can register
21:55 <Mellon> yeah do it
21:59 <Mellon> I post pathfidner stuff there occasionally
22:23 <Mellon> er
22:27 <Mellon> is your name jolly cruz
25:46 <Gogg> yep
26:40 <Mellon> is that your real name
26:48 <Hitomi> XD
28:13 <Gogg> yep
28:31 <Samsuhn> Mellon: mekkis is back
28:40 <Mellon> really that was fast
28:48 <Mekkis> I told you that it was possible
30:17 <Mekkis> you make your way down the mountain without incident
30:31 <Mellon> am I back to full hp
30:33 <Mekkis> you make camp once on your way down, with no issue
31:00 <Mellon> we continue on
31:02 <Mellon> hi ho hi ho
31:03 <Samsuhn> we'll continue on our journey
31:10 <Hitomi> "Inoticed I was warmed when we made the offering"
31:12 <Mellon> my character doesn't really sing that
31:12 <Mekkis> it's the morning now, and the mountains break up into swamps
31:24 <Mellon> "Me too."
31:27 <Mellon> "Well, not really."
31:28 <Mekkis> Thick blobs of fog dance in between large tickets as the foul
31:28 <Mekkis> stench of swamp gas pollutes the air. Several exotic species
31:28 <Mekkis> of vines twist along the vapor-shrouded path, creating an
31:28 <Mekkis> ethereal seeming tangle. At random intervals, a splash of fetid
31:28 <Mekkis> water sounds in the distance, signaling the presence of frogs
31:28 <Mekkis> or other bog creatures.
32:11 <Mekkis> The bog is rather muddy and unpleasant down here
33:09 <Tasiv> how clear is the path through the bog?
33:31 <Samsuhn> I'll follow the path
33:46 <Mellon> we all do
33:50 <Mekkis>   ”Now be off. You have a long journey ahead of you. And
33:50 <Mekkis> remember, don’t deviate from this map—it’s designed to get
33:50 <Mekkis> you there and back safely!”
33:59 <Mekkis> that's what Grandmaster Torch told you
34:43 <Mekkis> could you tell me your acrobatics modifiers?
34:44 <Gogg> agree
34:53 <Samsuhn> +1
35:11 <Hitomi> +2
35:20 <Tasiv> +4
35:28 <Gogg> _5
35:31 <Gogg> -5
35:55 <Mellon> +8 
36:34 <Mekkis> In the first hour, Mellon trips and falls in the bog
36:38 <Mellon> lies
36:46 <Gogg> no I'm not
36:48 <Samsuhn> we pull him out
36:53 <Mekkis> make a fort save
37:02 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6
37:03 <diebot> Gogg, 1d20+6: [1d20=17] 23
37:03 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+1 fort
37:04 <diebot> Mellon, fort: [1d20=9] 10
37:08 <Mekkis> ok
37:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d4
37:54 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d4: [1d4=4] 4
37:58 <Mekkis> ok
38:10 <Mekkis> Hitomi and Gogg trip up too
38:21 <Mekkis> Hitomi, fort saves
38:53 <Mekkis> Hitomi, fort save please
38:54 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+4
38:55 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+4: [1d20=11] 15
38:57 <Mekkis> ok
39:08 <Mekkis> !throw 1d4
39:10 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d4: [1d4=4] 4
39:24 <Mekkis> the next hour passes without incident
39:29 <Mekkis> !throw 1d100
39:30 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d100: [1d100=40] 40
40:05 <Mekkis> the next hour, hitomi and Tasiv lose their footing and fall in
40:24 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+3 fort
40:24 <diebot> Tasiv, fort: [1d20=6] 9
40:56 <Mekkis> Hitomi, fort save
41:08 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+4
41:09 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+4: [1d20=16] 20
41:33 <Mekkis> !throw 2#1d100
41:34 <diebot> Mekkis, 2#1d100: [1d100=89] 89, [1d100=75] 75
41:54 <Hitomi> a large pikachu appears!
42:02 <Mellon> and we kill it
42:03 <Mellon> and move on
42:26 <Mekkis> fourth hour, a vine kicked back from Mellon hits Samsuhn, Tasiv and Gogg
42:32 <Mekkis> fort saves please
42:39 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+3 fort
42:39 <diebot> Tasiv, fort: [1d20=10] 13
42:43 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+1
42:43 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20+1: [1d20=14] 15
43:01 <Mekkis> causing them to fall into the swamp
43:08 <Mekkis> !throw 3#1d100
43:09 <diebot> Mekkis, 3#1d100: [1d100=12] 12, [1d100=82] 82, [1d100=45] 45
43:10 <Gogg> btw, do you know that the guy he created pokemon died in the last tsunami in japan?
43:16 <Hitomi> :(
43:56 <Mekkis> Gogg, fort save please
44:01 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 perception @Mekkis
44:08 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6 fort
44:08 <diebot> Gogg, fort: [1d20=16] 22
44:19 <Gogg> whew
44:23 <Tasiv> wait is that a rumour gogg?
44:24 <Tasiv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri
45:16 <Samsuhn> 6/7
45:21 <Gogg> read it somewhere
45:27 <Mekkis> The next hour, Tasiv slips on a slippery rock, and lands into Gogg
45:32 <Mekkis> who both land in the swamp
45:45 <Mekkis> fort saves
46:07 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+3 fort
46:07 <diebot> Tasiv, fort: [1d20=18] 21
46:22 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+9 knowledge (nature)
46:22 <diebot> Samsuhn, knowledge (nature): [1d20=20] 29
46:47 <Mekkis> The hour after that, Gogg is distracted by a butterfly and lands in the swamp.
46:54 <Mekkis> Gogg, two fort saves
47:14 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6 fort
47:14 <diebot> Gogg, fort: [1d20=13] 19
47:16 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6 fort
47:16 <diebot> Gogg, fort: [1d20=17] 23
47:28 <Mekkis> the final two hours pass without incident
47:33 <Gogg> only thing I'm good at
48:21 <Mekkis> you exit the swamp
48:50 <Samsuhn> "Sweet, we're out!"
48:53 <Tasiv> who here has the highest charisma?
49:14 <Tasiv> i'm 10
49:30 <Mellon> 7
49:34 <Mekkis> The thick rolling fog begins to disperse
50:00 <Mekkis> The muck and vegetation are still thick, until...
50:05 <Mekkis> A large log rests across a dirt path, standing
50:05 <Mekkis> five feet tall. A moldering wood door
50:05 <Mekkis> covers one of the hollow ends of
50:05 <Mekkis> the log, and a makeshift mud
50:05 <Mekkis> chimney emits a thin wisp of
50:05 <Mekkis> blue smoke. From behind the
50:05 <Mekkis> crude house come the sound of
50:05 <Mekkis> someone humming an off-key tune.
50:19 <Hitomi> brb
51:34 <Samsuhn> "Let's go check it out!"
51:40 <Samsuhn> "Hail, friend!" I call out to whoever is humming
52:05 <Mellon> I hold back, taking the rear as we approach
52:19 <Tasiv> i also hold back, ready with my bow 
52:25 <Samsuhn> white, medium
52:32 <Tasiv> lime green
54:30 <Mellon> blue medium
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54:39 <Gogg> brown medium
54:46 <Samsuhn> 6/7
54:51 <Gogg> 14
54:54 <Mellon> 10/10
55:01 <Gogg> 14/14
55:03 <Hitomi> 13/13/
55:06 <Tasiv> 9/9
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58:33 <Mekkis> You make out a kobold
58:34 <Samsuhn> I speak Draconic
58:36 <Samsuhn> "Hail, friend!"
58:46 <Mekkis> She's speaking to the log
58:57 <Mellon> I understand draconic
59:11 <Mekkis> "Come on out, snap-jaw, and stay way from the thistles"
59:18 <Tasiv> croc!!!!
59:31 <Samsuhn> I say in Common "Might have a crocodile in there."
00:18 <Mekkis> She looks at you, and hisses at you
00:23 <Mekkis> and runs at you
00:33 <Mekkis> initiatives please
00:39 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+3
00:40 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+3: [1d20=8] 11
00:41 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+3 init
00:41 <diebot> Mellon, init: [1d20=17] 20
00:41 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 init
00:42 <diebot> Samsuhn, init: [1d20=9] 12
00:53 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+4
00:54 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+4: [1d20=5] 9
00:54 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+4
00:55 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+4: [1d20=15] 19
00:58 <Gogg> !throw 1d20-1
00:59 <diebot> Gogg, 1d20-1: [1d20=20] 19
01:47 <Mekkis> it's Mellon's turn
02:06 <Mellon> what time of day is it?
02:26 <Mekkis> midafternoon
03:36 <Mekkis> !dist 65 50
03:37 <diebot> Mekkis, Length of hypotenuse: 82.006097
04:03 <Mellon> I cast enlarge person on
04:07 <Mekkis> Mellon starts casting enlarge person
04:10 <Mekkis> it's now Tasiv's turn
04:23 <Tasiv> not sure range of longbow?
04:28 <Mekkis> 100'
04:42 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+5 ranged
04:42 <diebot> Tasiv, ranged: [1d20=16] 21
04:51 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+4 damage
04:51 <diebot> Tasiv, damage: [1d8=3] 7
04:52 <Mekkis> hits 
04:55 <Tasiv> on kobold
04:56 <Mekkis> she's not happy
05:04 <Tasiv> i am!
05:22 <Mekkis> it's now Gogg's turn
05:36 <Gogg> ftr
05:51 <Gogg> is the kobold within range of charge?
05:55 <Mekkis> no
05:58 <Mekkis> there's a log in the way
06:06 <Gogg> ready action
06:07 <Hitomi> and a frog on the log
06:17 <Tasiv> a frog on the log in the bog
06:28 <Gogg> charge with greataxe once in range
06:36 <Tasiv> there's got to be a dog and a hog around here somewhere
06:56 <Mekkis> ok
07:03 <Mekkis> it's now Samsuhn's turn
07:18 <Samsuhn> I cast mage armour and then walk to C20
07:38 <Mekkis> hmmm
07:45 <Mekkis> she casts a spell
08:01 <Mellon> spellcraft
08:06 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+9
08:07 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20+9: [1d20=20] 29
08:15 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+8
08:16 <diebot> Mellon, 1d20+8: [1d20=3] 11
08:33 <Mekkis> entangle
08:37 <Mekkis> make reflex saves
08:38 <Mellon> 12*
08:48 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+1 reflex
08:49 <diebot> Samsuhn, reflex: [1d20=6] 7
08:53 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+6 reflex
08:53 <diebot> Tasiv, reflex: [1d20=9] 15
08:57 <Mekkis> Samsuhn is entangled
09:01 <Mekkis> Tasiv, is not entangled
09:07 <Gogg> !throw 1d20-1 reflex vs entangle
09:08 <diebot> Gogg, reflex vs entangle: [1d20=15] 14
09:24 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+4
09:25 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+4: [1d20=5] 9
09:44 <Mekkis> Gogg is not entangled
09:49 <Mekkis> Hitomi is entangled
09:58 <Mekkis> mellon is entangled
10:16 <Mekkis> Mellon, roll reflex
10:26 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+3 reflex
10:27 <diebot> Mellon, reflex: [1d20=2] 5
10:29 <Mekkis> mellon is entangled
10:35 <Mekkis> Mellon, make concentration
10:45 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+5 concentration (int)
10:45 <diebot> Mellon, concentration (int): [1d20=8] 13
10:53 <Mekkis> you do not lose the spell
11:36 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
13:29 <Gogg> what do we see in R16?
13:49 <Hitomi> I'll take a shot at it
13:52 <Hitomi> with my shortbox
13:57 <Tasiv> r16 gogg?
14:04 <Tasiv> refresh your map?
14:09 <Tasiv> are you in map4?
14:11 <Gogg> i16
14:19 <Tasiv> that's the croc
14:26 <Mekkis> make an attack at -4
14:32 <Tasiv> the kobold is at n9
14:57 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+1 shortbow
14:57 <diebot> Hitomi, shortbow: [1d20=3] 4
15:09 <Gogg> it's within range of my charge, so my ready action will trigger right?
15:21 <Mekkis> you miss
16:26 * Hitomi moves east 15ft
16:34 <Mekkis> it's now Mellon's turn
16:43 <Mekkis> who areyou enlarging?
17:00 <Gogg> me
17:15 <Mellon> I cast enlarge on Hitomi
17:21 <Mekkis> Hitomi is large
17:28 <Mekkis> what are you doing now, Mellon 
18:24 <Mellon> I cast mage armoI move to E18
18:42 <Samsuhn> !dist 20 10
18:42 <diebot> Samsuhn, Length of hypotenuse: 22.360680
18:52 <Mellon> and cast flare on the alligator
19:13 <Mekkis> well
19:16 <Mekkis> try and cast flare
19:19 <Mellon> I moved there and casted flare, not mage armour
19:20 <Mekkis> roll concentration
19:24 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+5
19:25 <diebot> Mellon, 1d20+5: [1d20=7] 12
19:29 <Mekkis> you Fail
19:35 <Mellon> all good
19:43 <Mekkis> what's the DC?
19:54 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+5 ranged on kobold
19:54 <diebot> Tasiv, ranged on kobold: [1d20=16] 21
20:10 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+4 damage
20:11 <diebot> Tasiv, damage: [1d8=4] 8
20:24 <Mekkis> DC of flare
20:28 <Mekkis> of
20:29 <Mekkis> ok
20:37 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+4
20:38 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+4: [1d20=18] 22
20:47 <Mekkis> it's now Tasiv's turn
22:36 <Mekkis> ok
22:41 <Mekkis> the arrow hits the kobold
22:46 <Mekkis> Tasiv, make a reflex save
22:55 <Mekkis> or are you moving first?
22:58 <Hitomi> tasiv gogg not, sams hitomi mellon engtangled
23:31 <Mellon> Entangled:  The   character   is   ensnared.   Being   entangled 
23:32 <Mellon> impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless 
23:33 <Mellon> the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by 
23:33 <Mellon> an opposing force. An entangled creature moves at half 
23:33 <Mellon> speed, cannot run or charge, and takes a –2 penalty on all 
23:33 <Mellon> attack rolls and a –4 penalty to  Dexterity. An entangled 
23:33 <Mellon> character   who   attempts   to   cast   a   spell   must   make   a 
23:33 <Mellon> concentration check (DC 15 + spell level) or lose the spell. 
23:58 <Mekkis> it's now Gogg's turn
24:15 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+8 melee attk (charge, readied action)
24:16 <diebot> Gogg, melee attk (charge, readied action): [1d20=1] 9
24:36 <Gogg> I readied an action on my first turn right?
24:51 <Gogg> I'll do that
25:41 <Gogg> move to H16
25:52 <Gogg> then attack
26:10 <Gogg> H15
26:16 <Mekkis> ok
26:18 <Mekkis> roll it
26:28 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+6 melee attk
26:29 <diebot> Gogg, melee attk: [1d20=7] 13
27:43 <Mekkis> miss
27:50 <Mekkis> it's now Samsuhn's turn
28:46 <Samsuhn> I'll acid splash the crocodile
28:57 <Samsuhn> I'll move 15 feet east
29:03 <Samsuhn> and acid splash the crocodile
29:46 <Mekkis> roll concentration
29:53 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+6 concentration
29:53 <diebot> Samsuhn, concentration: [1d20=18] 24
29:57 <Mekkis> roll attack
30:06 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20-3 (includes -4 for entangle)
30:07 <diebot> Samsuhn, (includes -4 for entangle): [1d20=15] 12
30:17 <Mekkis> the acid hits the tree
30:24 <Mekkis> and burns away at it a bit
30:35 <Mekkis> she casts a spell
30:42 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+9 spellcraft
30:43 <diebot> Samsuhn, spellcraft: [1d20=10] 19
30:47 <Mekkis> the crocodile attacks Gogg 
30:57 <Mekkis> Shillelagh
31:13 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5 CHOMP
31:14 <diebot> Mekkis, CHOMP: [1d20=16] 21
31:25 <Mekkis> !throw 1d6+3 damage
31:27 <diebot> Mekkis, damage: [1d6=3] 6
31:31 <Mekkis> goggtakes 6 damage
31:36 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
32:13 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
33:08 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
33:10 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=7] 12
33:15 <Mekkis> roll attack
33:20 * Hitomi makes a flanked power attack
33:36 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7
33:36 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+7: [1d20=9] 16
33:43 <Mekkis> misses
33:59 <Mekkis> it's now Mellon's turn
34:02 <Gogg> what?
34:13 <Mellon> I cast acid splash at the alligator
34:45 <Samsuhn> "She just enhanced her club, she's coming in to melee."
35:15 <Mekkis> roll concentration
35:23 <Samsuhn> me?
35:26 <Mekkis> Mellon, 
35:37 <Mellon> yeah hang on
36:20 <Mellon> I move to L21
36:25 <Mellon> and cast mage armour
36:34 <Mekkis> stop taking shit back
36:35 <Mellon> erg
36:36 <Mellon> no casting
36:41 <Mellon> I can't cast it
36:42 <Mellon> it's a double move
36:56 <Mekkis> ok
37:01 <Mekkis> it's now Tasiv's turn
37:05 <Mellon> sorry man
37:08 <Mellon> if you were on skype you would understand
37:15 <Tasiv> k
37:28 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+5 ranged on kobold
37:28 <diebot> Tasiv, ranged on kobold: [1d20=7] 12
37:57 <Gogg> brb
38:08 <Tasiv> you can run skype on linux no?
38:10 <Mekkis> miss
38:14 <Tasiv> gah
38:24 <Mekkis> moving
38:26 <Tasiv> can i move to f14
38:48 <Mekkis> sure
39:05 <Tasiv> cool
39:11 <Mekkis> it's now Gogg's turn
40:13 <Gogg> ok
40:34 <Gogg> attack croc
40:47 <Gogg> !throw 1d20+8 melee
40:47 <diebot> Gogg, melee: [1d20=11] 19
40:59 <Mekkis> hits
41:02 <Mekkis> roll damage
41:06 <Gogg> 1d12+7 dmg
41:19 <Gogg> !throw 1d12+7 dmg
41:19 <diebot> Gogg, dmg: [1d12=12] 19
41:33 <Mekkis> the croc is staggered
41:44 <Mekkis> it's now Samsuhn's turn
41:45 <Gogg> Intimidate
41:53 <Samsuhn> I say in Draconic: "Stand down or your pet dies."
42:03 <Samsuhn> I'll move one northeast and two east
42:41 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+4 defensive casting
42:42 <diebot> Mekkis, defensive casting: [1d20=1] 5
43:05 <Mekkis> what are you doing?
43:07 <Samsuhn> I'll cast acid splash on the crocodile
43:15 <Mekkis> roll it
43:21 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+1
43:21 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d20+1: [1d20=16] 17
43:27 <Mekkis> hits
43:31 <Mekkis> ummm
43:34 <Mekkis> no it doesn't
43:37 <Mekkis> misses
44:18 <Mekkis> she attempts to defensively cast a spell, but fails
44:30 <Mekkis> the croc attacks Gogg 
44:32 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+5
44:34 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+5: [1d20=8] 13
44:49 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
44:54 <Mekkis> the croc collapses
44:58 <Samsuhn> "Kill the druid."
45:55 * Hitomi does a power attack on eldruido
46:19 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7
46:20 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+7: [1d20=16] 23
46:26 <Mekkis> hits
46:32 <Mekkis> roll massive damage
47:37 <Hitomi> !throw 2d8+7 dmg
47:38 <diebot> Hitomi, dmg: [2d8=8,5] 20
48:02 <Mekkis> she dies
48:03 <Samsuhn> I'll loot her
48:19 <Hitomi> "spoils boys!"
48:21 <Mekkis> you find a wand, a club, and 8 amethysts
48:28 <Mellon> can we identify the wand
48:29 <Samsuhn> I'll identify the wand
48:32 <Mekkis> try
48:33 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+11 spellcraft
48:34 <diebot> Samsuhn, spellcraft: [1d20=16] 27
48:39 <Mekkis> CLW
48:46 <Samsuhn> "Wand of cure light wounds."
48:47 <Mekkis> 50
49:03 <Samsuhn> I'll give it to Tasiv
49:09 <Samsuhn> we loot the house
49:22 <Mekkis> you don't find anything interesting in the house
49:52 <Tasiv> use clw on samster
49:53 <Mekkis> you continue through the bog and it clears out to plains.
49:56 <Gogg> cure me!
50:08 <Tasiv> use clw on gogg
50:20 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+1
50:20 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d8+1: [1d8=1] 2
50:25 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+1
50:25 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d8+1: [1d8=1] 2
50:38 <Gogg> 6
50:41 <Tasiv> use clw on gogg again
50:48 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+1 on gogg
50:49 <diebot> Tasiv, on gogg: [1d8=2] 3
50:54 <Tasiv> use clw on gogg again
50:56 <Tasiv> !throw 1d8+1 on gogg
50:56 <diebot> Tasiv, on gogg: [1d8=2] 3
50:57 <Tasiv> k
51:03 <Samsuhn> we keep moving on the map
51:11 <Mellon> we continue on after/as we heal
51:13 <Gogg> full hp!
51:18 <Mekkis> you continue through the bog and it clears out to plains.
51:24 <Gogg> sweet
51:26 <Mellon> still continuing
51:30 <Mellon> we lost you on skype again mek
51:32 <Mekkis> a day later, you find yourselves at the town of Pier's end
51:52 <Tasiv> head down to port?
51:55 <Samsuhn> we seek out transport to escadar
52:07 <Mekkis> I think I'll end it there, unless you want me to take a 1 hour break for lunch first
52:23 <Samsuhn> how far are we from the end
52:50 Tasiv has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
52:57 <Mekkis> you need to get passage, and do business in Escadar
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53:13 <Gogg> I need to go in a few minutes
53:19 <Mekkis> probably 2-3 hours, depending on how many committees you form
53:31 <Mellon> what % of the way through
54:04 <Mekkis> you've nearly finished act one
54:11 <Samsuhn> so 50%?
54:18 <Samsuhn> this is a pretty long scenario
54:25 <Mellon> I'd still rather take a 1 hour lunch
54:30 <Mellon> and npc gogg if he's okay with it
55:21 <Gogg> yep npc me
55:45 <Samsuhn> looks like we'll take an hour for lunch and come back
55:49 <Mellon> re-meet at 3pm
55:55 <Hitomi> me had lunch so nap time :D
56:05 <Tasiv> k 3pm it is
56:15 <Gogg> bye guys
56:29 Gogg has quit (Quit: )
08:44 <Mellon> 50% probably isn't that far off
08:47 <Mellon> in one session
08:54 <Samsuhn> that was two sessions
08:59 Mellon is now known as Avatar
09:03 <Avatar> oh wait you're right
09:10 <Avatar> what did we do in the first one
09:18 <Avatar> we got pretty far today I thought
09:24 <Samsuhn> got the quest, talked to centaurs, camped and got attacked by that thing in the night
09:41 <Samsuhn> this session we went through the mountains and the swamp and got attacked by a kobold druid
10:04 Samsuhn is now known as Ballig
11:08 <Avatar> yeha, not much the first time
11:36 <Avatar> the mountains and swamps were encounters in themselves 
11:40 <Ballig> yeah
11:45 <Avatar> the swamp maybe not so much
12:14 <Avatar> the mountain required some planning or potential death
12:23 <Avatar> how could we have really prepared for that better
12:26 <Avatar> bought a blanket?
12:52 <Avatar> I guess we should have known mountains would be cold
13:03 <Avatar> I assumed we'd probably not go over them I guess
13:21 <Avatar> when you've got a map to look at, determining the terrain gets super important in terms of equipment-buying
13:42 <Ballig> we could've bought cold weather outfits
13:46 <Ballig> I bought endure elements
14:07 <Avatar> I still got to half life with a cold weather outfit
14:19 <Ballig> you could've all given me 25gp for endure elements
14:20 <Avatar> don't blame low hp either, I'm tough
14:38 <Avatar> it seems like you should always carry one endure elements scroll Just In Case
14:57 <Avatar> that probably saved us an enormous amount of hassle today
14:59 <Avatar> for 25gp
15:14 <Avatar> if the outfits weren't there, we'd be very screwed
15:20 <Avatar> or if our rolls were lower
15:20 <Ballig> yeah
15:31 <Avatar> what does a blanket do and how much does it weigh
16:15 <Avatar> the text for it is partially covered by the masterwork backpack image
16:49 <Avatar> 5sp, 3lb
16:53 <Ballig> I'm not even seeing it
17:13 <Avatar> wait, there's 2
17:17 <Avatar> it's in adventurer's armoury
17:18 <Ballig> there's Blanket, winter
17:37 <Ballig> does it have a description
17:40 <Ballig> I'm not seeing a description
17:43 <Avatar> 2sp for common, 5sp for winter
17:46 <Ballig> it starts with Caltrops
17:53 <Avatar> winter just says This is a fur blanket large enough for one person.
18:03 <Avatar> common blanket is in advanced player's guide as well ?
18:13 <Ballig> I'm looking in core
18:27 <Ballig> there is no description for a winter blanket in the core rulebook
19:51 <Avatar> yeah I can't find a source for winter blanket
20:11 <Avatar> apparently in the core rulebook, but
20:14 <Ballig> yeah
20:18 <Ballig> it's on the list of equipment
20:20 <Ballig> but there's no description
20:34 <Avatar> maybe errata?
21:42 <Ballig> doubt it
21:42 <Avatar> nope
21:47 <Avatar> I guess nobody has noticed it
21:56 <Avatar> pfd20 obviously has
22:49 <Avatar> in any case, it doesn't list any bonuses
22:57 <Avatar> +2 for the blanket I guess
23:05 <Ballig> probably
23:11 <Ballig> still surprised the stove only gives +4
23:31 <Ballig> did you contact Mekkis
23:35 <Avatar> I did sms him, no reply
23:46 <Avatar> if nothing else surely he'll check in after an hour
23:50 <Ballig> does he ever reply to SMS
23:56 <Avatar> no
23:57 <Ballig> you know you can't say surely with that
24:00 <Avatar> he replies in here
24:35 <Avatar> I think the +1 for huddling was a bit harsh
24:49 <Avatar> book does say +2 or -2 for conditional modifiers
24:56 <Avatar> or d&d did at least
25:14 <Avatar> the stove must have taken into account the cold weather outfit bonus too since it's also in the book
25:49 <Avatar> I can't argue with +4 or something that maybe should have been higher
26:14 <Avatar> you could just as easily argue having fitting clothes designed for cold weather provides more warmth
26:57 <Avatar> I don't even know what I'd rule if I had to make it up 
27:13 <Avatar> +10 doesn't even seem particularly outrageous, unless there's a blizzard outside
27:27 <Avatar> when you have a home heater, it's meant to heat up the entire place to a comfortable temperature or it's not doing its job
27:32 <Ballig> well
27:46 <Ballig> I would have said the heater would remove the need to make saves at all
27:55 <Ballig> because it would have increased the temperature to a point that you were no longer freezing
28:06 <Ballig> but that would've made the encounter pretty easy
28:43 <Avatar> bit of a tough one there
28:49 <Avatar> we should try write a scenario
28:56 <Ballig> yeah
29:05 <Avatar> it is easy for us to criticise what seem to be rather large mistakes
29:14 <Avatar> but when you're writing it I'm sure it's quite tough at times
29:17 <Tasiv> that night in the cold was an interesting scenario
29:25 <Avatar> yeah interesting encounter
29:35 <Avatar> like The Orphanage
29:41 <Tasiv> yes exactly
29:46 <Avatar> I like those kinds of situations
30:28 <Avatar> also I don't think knowing the DC is metagaming there
30:34 <Ballig> oh, that's what that button does
30:44 <Avatar> same with climbing
30:51 <Avatar> the book gives players the DC's
30:59 <Ballig> yeah, it doesn't only give it to the GM
31:05 <Ballig> DC is again an abstraction of difficulty
31:14 <Ballig> "how difficult is this" "how dangerous is this"
31:23 <Avatar> there are situations where you would know if what you're doing is "enough" by matching up the numbers
31:36 <Avatar> at least from the information you know
31:41 <Ballig> yeah, you have an idea of how good a climber you are and how difficult a wall would be to climb
31:42 <Avatar> like we wouldn't know things like changing temperatures through the night
31:46 <Ballig> and whether you're likely to do it without trouble
31:53 <Avatar> but we'd know how cold it is right now
32:04 <Tasiv> heheh, hence the committee
32:11 <Ballig> yeah, and whether our current setup (heat and clothing) is going to be enough to keep you relatively safe through the night
32:23 <Avatar> and I'd go so far to say we know how cold it is before we take damage and can take preventative measures before we start taking nonlethal damage from it
32:44 <Avatar> that is probably lenient but I'd say that's a better way to DM it, both realistically and to make the game more fun for the players
33:12 <Avatar> cold or hot weather is sort of an exceptional case with this kind of thing
33:16 <Avatar> you have time to fix it
33:32 <Ballig> yeah
33:41 <Avatar> it's only when you run out of options that the damage starts taking place
33:42 <Ballig> "it's getting cold" rather than, after an hour, "shit I'm so cold"
33:42 <Ballig> :p
33:46 <Avatar> haha yeah
33:55 <Avatar> it might be different if you're sleeping, that's a bit harder to say
34:03 <Ballig> sleeping I can understand
34:04 <Avatar> but even then you could just wake up early
34:12 <Ballig> I lie around in bed for an hour before bothering to warm up somehow
34:14 <Avatar> I don't know about that one
34:42 <Avatar> probably would take the damage and then wake up 
34:55 <Avatar> give the player the option to continue sleeping or to do something
35:00 <Avatar> and just have a bad night's sleep
50:17 <Hitomi> gettin hot in here :/
50:28 <Ballig> are you coming on to me
51:17 <Hitomi> yes
51:25 <Tasiv> ooh look at the time - it's tea o'clock
51:37 <Avatar> yeah that's what the break is for
51:45 <Avatar> hopefully you can eat at your desk like the rest of us civilised people
52:23 <Ballig> haha
52:24 <Ballig> yeah
53:54 <Hitomi> i ate ages ago
04:22 <Avatar> let's start skype back up aye
15:55 <Ballig> http://www.apsjobs.gov.au/SearchedNoticesView.aspx?Notices=10555030%3A1&mn=JobSearch
26:51 <Avatar> cmon mekkis
47:58 <Mekkis> mmm
48:07 <Avatar> chrissakes man
48:14 <Avatar> making up for the 15 minutes the first time
48:54 <Mekkis> it's before 3pm
49:04 <Avatar> one hour
49:15 <Hitomi> its before 3pm on most of the planet
49:22 <Mekkis> [14:49] <Avatar> one hour
49:30 <Avatar> it's almost 2 
50:18 <Ballig> [1:55:20 PM] <+Samsuhn> looks like we'll take an hour for lunch and come back
50:26 <Ballig> two hours ago! :p
50:34 <Avatar> cmon man you knew
50:44 <Avatar> we're on skype waiting for you to go
52:16 <Mekkis> call me
52:24 <Ballig> not seeing you on yet
52:55 <Mekkis> what about now?
53:03 <Ballig> nope
53:04 <Ballig> call failed
53:05 <Avatar> he tried you and it hung up
53:09 <Avatar> pretty quickly
53:11 <Avatar> did you change something
54:03 <Mekkis> what about now?
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54:12 <Ballig> yeah I see you  now
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54:24 <Mekkis> ok
54:34 <Mekkis> what areyou doining in Pier's end
54:38 <Mekkis> killing some shit?
54:41 <Avatar> we buy butterfly nets
54:44 <Mekkis> sure
54:47 <Avatar> and a periscope
54:48 <Mekkis> they're 2gp each
54:52 <Mekkis> that's 30gp
55:00 <Avatar> periscopes are 20gp
55:04 <Mekkis> not here
55:11 <Avatar> oh
55:43 <Avatar> ok we each buy at least 1 butterfly net
55:47 <Avatar> we'll leave the periscope for now
56:01 <Avatar> I'll take it
56:16 <Tasiv> do nicks gentlemen
56:20 Avatar is now known as Mellon
56:23 Ballig is now known as Samsuhn
56:30 <Mellon> can I buy a scroll of endure elements also
56:34 ChanOP gives voice to Tasiv
56:35 <Mellon> is that above normal price as well
56:47 <Mekkis> that's normal price
56:51 <Mellon> ok I buy 1
56:58 <Hitomi> is there any sort of liferaft type blowup thing you can buy?
57:18 <Mekkis> no
57:44 <Samsuhn> we'll be trying to find passage
58:09 <Mekkis> ok
58:18 <Mekkis> walk along the pier
58:34 <Mekkis> you see three boats around
58:48 <Hitomi> can we check which looks most sturdy and least shady
59:15 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2 perception
59:16 <diebot> Hitomi, perception: [1d20=8] 10
59:46 <Samsuhn> can we see anyone who looks like they own a boat there?
00:25 <Mellon> Gogg, Hitomi and myself check out the boats
00:29 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+2 perception aiding
00:29 <diebot> Mellon, perception aiding: [1d20=1] 3
00:29 <Mekkis> the best boat appears to be owned by a halfling called "Small Otti"
00:50 <Samsuhn> I'll track down Small Otti
00:59 <Mekkis> Small Otti is in the tavern, eating.
01:03 <Mekkis> He's rather plump
01:16 <Hitomi> would he make a good roast?
01:40 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+8 knowledge local
01:40 <diebot> Mellon, knowledge local: [1d20=5] 13
01:49 <Mekkis> you know that he likes eating
01:49 <Samsuhn> "Greetings, are you Otti by any chance?"
01:57 <Mekkis> "Greetings. And you are...?"
02:08 <Samsuhn> "Samsuhn, I am interested in doing some business with you."
02:10 <Mellon> I bring a Good meal to the table
02:18 <Mekkis> "Ah, is that for me?"
02:27 <Mellon> "Yep."
02:53 <Mekkis> "Great. What business"
03:23 <Mellon> I point to my friend Samsuhn
03:30 <Samsuhn> "We seek transport on your ship."
03:35 <Mekkis> "Where to?"
03:39 <Mekkis> he starts eating
03:46 <Samsuhn> "Just to Escadar."
03:53 <Tasiv> (and back)
04:22 <Mekkis> While chewing a drumstick, he mutters, "55 gold."
04:59 <Samsuhn> "Oh, of course, of course. Our coinpurses are with our pack mules. Do you want to come out so we can pay you? After your meal, of course."
05:16 <Mekkis> "Very well. Is this my meal, or can I have seconds?"
05:16 <Mellon> "After the meal." I agree
05:25 <Samsuhn> "Seconds sounds good to me."
05:33 <Mekkis> "And some wine to wash it down."
06:02 <Samsuhn> "A pitcher of wine for our friend here!"
06:04 <Mekkis> "I like the good stuff"
06:24 <Hitomi> "If we get the finest, will you take us for 25gp?"
06:34 <Mekkis> Hitomi, diplomacy
06:59 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20-1 dip
06:59 <diebot> Hitomi, dip: [1d20=10] 9
07:25 <Mekkis> "THat's three bottles I'm giving up, for one bottle."
07:49 <Mekkis> "Doesn't sound good to me. A halfling's gotta eat, y'know"
08:01 <Samsuhn> "Of course. We'll be out at our pack mules when you're done."
08:04 <Mekkis> "And I need my stature to maintain my buoyancy"
08:12 <Mellon> "Finish your meal, then we'll talk."
08:18 <Mekkis> he finishes his two meals
08:21 <Mekkis> then exits the tavern
08:21 <Mellon> I head outside
08:28 <Mekkis> "Waddya want?"
08:33 <Samsuhn> once we're in an area that isnt' crowded, I want to cast hypnotism on him
08:35 <Mekkis> "Escadar? eh"
08:36 <Mekkis> sure
08:41 <Mekkis> what's the DC?
08:56 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+3 will save
08:58 <diebot> Mekkis, will save: [1d20=17] 20
08:58 <Samsuhn> 20
09:13 <Mekkis> "What was that?"
09:23 <Mekkis> "So, 55gp is OK?"
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09:46 <Samsuhn> "Oh, sorry about that. Sure, here's the 55 gold."
09:53 * Mellon rolls his eyes
10:00 <Mekkis> he takes the gold. "When do you wish to leave?"
10:19 <Samsuhn> "At the next opportunity."
10:23 <Mekkis> "Let's go."
10:29 <Samsuhn> "Excellent."
10:29 <Mellon> and we do so
10:33 <Tasiv> aye
10:54 <Mekkis> He takes you to his boat, shows you into the cabin, and tells you not to disturb him.
11:00 <Mekkis> then he sails you to Escadar
11:29 <Mekkis> The scenic and uneventful journey takes 12 hours.
11:35 <Mellon> sweet
11:38 <Mellon> everyone healed
11:54 <Mekkis> You are now at the port of Escadar
12:43 <Samsuhn> we want to seek out these jerks we have to deal with
12:45 <Samsuhn> who were they again
13:38 <Mekkis> Nestor Rees tells you that you should tell the Gillman embassy that you're available, and to arrange a meeting place for the negotiations
13:56 <Samsuhn> we do that
13:59 <Mekkis> Alright
14:04 <Mellon> we look for the Gillman embassy
14:18 <Mellon> knowledge local for gillman ?
14:41 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+8 knowlegde local
14:42 <diebot> Mellon, knowlegde local: [1d20=7] 15
16:27 <Mellon> sorry, that should be 18
19:20 <Mellon> are you still there ?
21:00 <Mekkis> The low azlanti embassy is mainly underwater, with several offices on the shore where people can go and state their business. The ambassador generally stays in his offices underwater, and only comes out in important business, which your trade does not really count as.
21:54 <Tasiv> "let's go and state our business"
22:38 <Samsuhn> we tell the embassey we're available
22:40 <Samsuhn> and arrange a meeting place
22:42 <Samsuhn> what do they tell us
23:10 <Mekkis> Go to the embassy, and one of the gillmen approaches you
23:15 <Mekkis> "State your business."
23:29 <Samsuhn> "We were sent by the Pathfinder Society to organise a trade of artifacts."
23:57 <Mekkis> "Ah, trading for the artifacts. I assume that you have your side of the deal available with you?"
24:38 <Samsuhn> "Yes, we have our trade here."
25:13 <Mekkis> "Very well. Meet us at the Grindylow's Goblet tomorrow morning and we'll send our representatives over there."
25:37 <Samsuhn> "Excellent, we look forward to doing business with the Low Azlanti."
25:51 <Mekkis> "As do we, with the Pathfinder Society."
25:59 <Samsuhn> we seek rooms at the Goblet
26:01 <Samsuhn> if they have any
26:04 <Mellon> "TIME FOR A DRINK?"
26:08 <Tasiv> yes!
26:12 <Mekkis> they do
26:13 <Tasiv> "yes!"
26:17 <Samsuhn> "Settle, Mellon. Settle. We need our wits about us."
26:28 <Mellon> "Yes, yes, of course."
27:02 <Tasiv> do they have like a big suite so we're not split up?
28:45 <Samsuhn> okay
28:49 <Samsuhn> we take turns guarding Nestor's room
28:57 <Mekkis> ok
29:07 <Mekkis> you sleep and wake up without incident
29:14 <Tasiv> ok
29:16 <Samsuhn> okay
29:18 <Tasiv> we're all good
29:53 <Mekkis> The sounds of a busy tavern echo off the wooden walls of this
29:53 <Mekkis> unusual building. Resting precariously over Escadar’s harbor,
29:53 <Mekkis> the Grindylow’s Goblet offers an unequaled view of the water.
29:53 <Mekkis> In the bar’s center, a thick glass aquarium presents a striking
29:53 <Mekkis> display. Within the tank, a coral statue of a goblin with the
29:53 <Mekkis> lower body of an octopus hosts a school of colorful fish that
29:53 <Mekkis> flit about the nooks and crannies of its tentacles.
31:11 <Samsuhn> we'll wait for the azlanti
31:32 <Mekkis> Two Low Azlanti enter. A man and a woman.
32:00 <Samsuhn> I greet them at the door
32:02 <Mekkis> they see you
32:05 <Samsuhn> "Good morning."
32:09 <Mekkis> "Greetings."
32:14 <Mekkis> "You are the pathfinders?"
32:27 <Mellon> I check for their weapons and armour
32:27 <Samsuhn> "You must be the Low Azlanti representatives. We represent the Pathfinder Society."
32:28 <Mekkis> they're carrying spears
32:32 <Mellon> OK
33:17 <Samsuhn> "Are we ready to trade?"
33:37 <Mekkis> "Ah. May we have a seat, so we can show each other our wares?"
34:01 <Samsuhn> "Of course, of course. Do you drink wine?"
34:22 <Mekkis> "Yes, but let's get the business sorted first
34:40 <Samsuhn> "Excellent." I'll lead them back to our table
34:55 <Mekkis> like that?
35:04 <Tasiv> is there anyone else in the room paying attention?
35:04 <Samsuhn> I'll offer the guy at N7 money for a pitcher of wine if he'll find another table
35:08 * Hitomi wants to look around and see if anyone is watching us
35:09 <Mellon> I stand up for the other guy
35:12 <Mellon> so they can sit together
35:28 <Mekkis> Samsuhn, 2gp
35:38 <Mellon> I make it appears as if I'm being respectful, but actually I just want to be tactful
35:50 <Samsuhn> we'll do that
35:53 <Mekkis> ok
35:56 <Samsuhn> Il'l move them over to that table
36:03 <Samsuhn> "A bit of privacy, so curious ears don't overhear."
36:07 <Mekkis> like so?
36:12 <Hitomi> yea
36:20 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+2 perception
36:20 <diebot> Mellon, perception: [1d20=17] 19
36:22 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2
36:23 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+1 perception
36:23 <diebot> Hitomi, 1d20+2: [1d20=14] 16
36:24 <diebot> Tasiv, perception: [1d20=13] 14
37:01 <Mekkis> hmmm
37:16 <Mekkis> you're going to crowd them?
37:16 <Tasiv> i'll stand up 
37:27 <Tasiv> no looking outwards
37:40 <Mekkis> like that?
37:45 <Tasiv> yep
37:52 Tasiv has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
37:57 <Mekkis> the bartender is looking at the business going on over there
37:59 Tasiv ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
38:02 ChanOP gives voice to Tasiv
38:12 <Mekkis> some of the others are looking around too
38:27 <Mellon> do I know if this kind of thing would be odd 
38:33 <Mellon> using knowledge local or nobility
38:37 <Samsuhn> "So we're told that you've found a unique relic of Azlanti origin on the Innear Sea's floor."
38:38 <Mekkis> the male sits down and speaks:
38:40 * Hitomi tells Samsuhn "hey man we're attracting attention, think we should get out of here"
38:47 <Mekkis> "Greetings. I am Shoalo."
38:54 <Mellon> local realy
38:56 <Mellon> really*
38:59 <Mekkis> no
39:12 <Samsuhn> "I am Samsuhn, Shoalo. I am happy to do business with you."
39:16 <Samsuhn> "Who is your companion here?"
39:17 <Mekkis> "That we have. Shall we show our artifacts together."
39:33 <Samsuhn> "Of course." I motion for Nestor to get our relic
39:39 <Mekkis> anything you want to do MUST be communicated over IRC
39:52 <Tasiv> stay put
40:01 <Tasiv> but standing 
40:02 <Hitomi> puts("Stay");
40:43 <Mekkis> Nestor takes out his package, and unveils something that appears to be an orb, lightly glowing with an amber light.
41:33 <Mekkis> Shoalo takes out a package, and reveals what seems to be a miniature telescope.
42:09 <Samsuhn> "Exquisite."
42:15 <Mekkis> they pass the relics to each other, and look at each other's
42:24 <Mekkis> Where are each of you looking.
42:32 <Mekkis> ?
42:38 <Mekkis> state this in IRC
42:41 <Mellon> around the tavern
42:41 <Samsuhn> I'm looking at the guys with my artifact
42:41 <Tasiv> i'm looking south-east
42:55 <Hitomi> arc between r10 and q11
43:00 <Hitomi> southeast
43:18 <Mellon> I'm looking to see what people's reactions are now, since we noticed the attention
43:33 <Mekkis> ok
43:45 <Mekkis> Nestor stands up.
44:09 <Samsuhn> "Nestor?"
44:11 <Mekkis> looks around
44:23 <Samsuhn> "What's wrong?"
44:33 <Mellon> I turn to look at Nestor
44:53 <Mekkis> He starts to speak
44:59 <Mellon> spellcraft
45:05 <Mekkis> as he's speaking, you hear a glass shatter
45:33 <Mekkis> a champagne flute, to be correct
45:51 <Mekkis> and the candle on the table bursts into a brilliant light
46:07 <Mekkis> Mellon, Samsuhn, Tasiv make will saves
46:12 <Mekkis> umm reflex
46:23 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+1 reflex
46:24 <diebot> Samsuhn, reflex: [1d20=1] 2
46:30 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+3
46:30 <diebot> Mellon, 1d20+3: [1d20=1] 4
46:30 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+6
46:31 <diebot> Tasiv, 1d20+6: [1d20=14] 20
47:18 <Mekkis> 1/400
47:32 <Mekkis> but that's the same odds as a 1 being rolled followed by a 14
48:02 <Mekkis> Mellon, and Samsuhn are blinded
48:16 * Mellon curses
48:20 <Mekkis> so is Nestor
48:26 <Mekkis> He says "It's a fake."
48:47 <Samsuhn> "Don't let them take the relic!"
48:51 <Mekkis> Shoalo graps the relic
48:53 <Mekkis> roll initiative
48:56 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1
48:57 * Hitomi turns around at the sound of "zomg"
48:58 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+1: [1d20=15] 16
49:00 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+3 initiative
49:00 <diebot> Samsuhn, initiative: [1d20=11] 14
49:03 <Mellon> !throw 1d20+3 init
49:04 <diebot> Mellon, init: [1d20=10] 13
49:07 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+4 init
49:08 <diebot> Tasiv, init: [1d20=8] 12
49:17 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20-1 gogg
49:17 <diebot> Samsuhn, gogg: [1d20=2] 1
49:19 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+2 init
49:19 <diebot> Hitomi, init: [1d20=16] 18
49:33 <Mellon> Blinded: The creature cannot see. It takes a –2 penalty to 
49:33 <Mellon> Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and 
49:33 <Mellon> takes a –4 penalty on most  Strength- and  Dexterity-based 
49:40 <Mellon> skill checks and on opposed  Perception  skill checks. All 
49:41 <Mellon> checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and 
49:41 <Mellon> Perception  checks based on sight) automatically fail. All 
49:41 <Mellon> opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% 
49:41 <Mellon> miss chance) against the blinded character. Blind creatures 
49:41 <Mellon> must make a DC 10 Acrobatics skill check to move faster 
49:41 <Mellon> than half speed. Creatures that fail this check fall prone. 
49:41 <Mellon> Characters   who   remain   blinded   for   a   long   time   grow 
49:41 <Mellon> accustomed to these drawbacks and can overcome some of 
49:41 <Mellon> them.
50:45 <Samsuhn> "Keep me informed of where they are!"
51:09 <Mekkis> she casts grease
51:47 <Mekkis> reflex saves, Tasiv and Hitomi 
51:50 <Tasiv> !throw 1d20+6 reflex
51:50 <diebot> Tasiv, reflex: [1d20=1] 7
52:02 <Mekkis> Tasiv is prone
52:25 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+4 reflex
52:26 <diebot> Hitomi, reflex: [1d20=7] 11
52:41 <Mekkis> Hitomi is prone
53:01 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
54:39 <Mekkis> ok
54:40 * Hitomi stands up
54:52 <Mekkis> move action remains
55:16 <Mekkis> standard action remains
55:16 <Hitomi> i'll move to be next to the table between me and bartender
56:24 <Mekkis> it's now Mellon's turn
57:04 <Mellon> I cast mage armour on myself
57:06 <Mekkis> ok
57:06 <Mellon> "Where are they!"
57:48 <Mekkis> ok
57:52 <Mekkis> move action remains
58:02 <Mekkis> ok
58:11 <Mellon> I move 2n
58:11 <Mekkis> it's now Tasiv's turn
58:16 <Mekkis> you're prone
58:21 <Tasiv> stand up
58:22 <Mekkis> standard remains
58:38 <Tasiv> in pursuit of s
59:58 <Mekkis> is that what you're doing?
00:06 <Mekkis> because you haven't said anything clear on IRC
00:06 <Tasiv> yes
00:08 <Tasiv> good
00:17 <Mekkis> it's now Samsuhn;s turn
00:27 <Mekkis> hmm
00:33 <Mekkis> perhaps
00:40 <Mekkis> choose a cone, if you're casting it
01:06 <Samsuhn> I'll cast detect magic
01:07 <Samsuhn> facing south
01:24 <Samsuhn> (the last direction I knew anyone to be in)
01:47 <Mekkis> you detect the presence of magic
01:50 <Mekkis> it's now Gogg's turn
02:25 <Samsuhn> what is A doing?
02:35 <Mekkis> Ahrmisa is standing at the aquarium, looking around
02:38 <Mekkis> with a spear out
04:16 <Samsuhn> Gogg charges A
04:17 <Mekkis> gogg isn't taking this long to reason...
04:19 <Mekkis> ok
04:24 <Mekkis> roll it
04:32 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d20+8 chaaaaaaaarge
04:33 <diebot> Samsuhn, chaaaaaaaarge: [1d20=14] 22
04:35 <Mekkis> hits
04:42 <Samsuhn> !throw 1d12+7
04:42 <diebot> Samsuhn, 1d12+7: [1d12=4] 11
04:48 <Mekkis> she's down
04:53 <Samsuhn> end turn
05:23 <Mekkis> the bartender casts /Shatter/ on the aquarium, and jumps through, into the water below
05:33 <Mekkis> it's now Hitomi's turn
05:39 <Mekkis> no AoO
05:46 <Mekkis> she's 15' underwater
06:41 * Hitomi moves to the west next to S
06:47 <Mekkis> ok
06:49 * Hitomi starts a power attack
06:53 <Mekkis> roll it
07:06 <Hitomi> !throw 1d20+7 PA
07:07 <diebot> Hitomi, PA: [1d20=3] 10
07:10 <Mekkis> hiss
07:11 <Mekkis> miss
07:21 <Hitomi> the sword hisses?
07:21 <Tasiv> boo hiss
07:41 <Mekkis> Shoalo opens the door, tries to tumble away
07:56 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+4
07:57 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+4: [1d20=8] 12
08:03 <Mekkis> Hitomi, CMD?
09:00 <Mekkis> Hitomi, make you AoO
09:51 <Mekkis> it's now Mellon's turn
10:00 <Mekkis> you're still blind
10:18 <Mellon> delay
10:24 <Mekkis> it's now Tasiv's turn
10:29 <Tasiv> ok
10:40 <Tasiv> move to i-18
11:02 <Tasiv> and take a (futile) shot into the water with longbow
11:06 <Mekkis> ok
11:14 <Mekkis> it misses
11:19 <Tasiv> ok
12:04 <Mekkis> it's now Samsuhn's turn
12:41 <Mellon> end combat
12:44 <Samsuhn> delay
12:49 <Tasiv> dang
12:50 <Mekkis> ok
13:05 <Samsuhn> "What happened?"
13:07 <Mekkis> eighteen seconds later, Mellon and Samsuhn can see again
13:18 <Samsuhn> "Where's the relic?"
13:21 <Mellon> "Wha, where did they go? What happened?"
13:21 <Hitomi> "They ran off with our relic!"
13:23 <Samsuhn> "Where are the representatives?"
13:28 <Samsuhn> "Grah!"
13:32 <Mellon> "Why didn't you chase them!"
13:36 <Samsuhn> "Looks like we dropped one of them though, tie her up."
13:44 <Mellon> "Tie her up!"
14:18 <Mellon> I take out my rope
14:24 <Mellon> and tie her up
14:38 <Tasiv> clw on her
14:42 <Samsuhn> Tasiv will use the wand of cure light wounds once she's tied up
14:52 <Mellon> "Plan B?"
14:58 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1-4
14:58 <Mekkis> <diebot> 1d20+1-4: [1d20=4] 1
14:58 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1-5
14:58 <Mekkis> <diebot> 1d20+1-5: [1d20=10] 6
14:58 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1-6
14:58 <Mekkis> <diebot> 1d20+1-6: [1d20=4] -1
14:58 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1-7
14:58 <Mekkis> <diebot> 1d20+1-7: [1d20=20] 14
15:58 <Mekkis> she wakes up
16:08 <Mellon> I look angry
16:13 <Mekkis> "What..."
16:48 <Samsuhn> I cast charm person on her
17:06 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+1 will save
17:07 <diebot> Mekkis, will save: [1d20=10] 11
17:16 <Mekkis> she's charmed
17:23 <Mekkis> "Charmed"
17:40 <Samsuhn> "Well, that wasn't very pleasant. What was your plan?"
18:17 <Mekkis> "What do you mean. I was paid to stand here and guard Shoalo, then close my eyes when I heard a glass break, then run."
18:23 <Mekkis> "That's it."
18:30 <Mekkis> "Why did you tie me up?
18:31 <Mekkis> "
18:43 <Samsuhn> "Shaolo just stole our relic, we need to be careful."
18:47 <Samsuhn> "Do you know where he went?"
19:03 <Samsuhn> "And who paid you?"
19:11 <Mekkis> "I wasn't told where to go. After running, that was all I was told."
19:20 <Mekkis> "My job was done."
19:26 <Samsuhn> "Who paid you for this job?"
19:33 <Mekkis> "You've got the wrong guy."
19:39 <Mekkis> "Shoalo did."
19:47 <Samsuhn> I'll untie her
19:56 <Samsuhn> "We need your help to find Shoalo."
20:12 <Mekkis> "Ummm... I'm not sure that I could help."
20:18 <Samsuhn> "What do you know about him? Does he represent the Low Azlanti embassy?"
20:39 <Mekkis> "The embassy? I don't think so. Maybe."
21:01 <Samsuhn> "How did he contact you?"
21:02 <Mekkis> "He approached me several weeks ago, and offered me a job."
21:15 <Tasiv> there's an inside job for sure
21:35 <Mekkis> "In the Unlikely sailor, about 2 miles offshore."
21:44 <Samsuhn> "Is he a regular there?"
22:03 <Mekkis> "Not particularly. I think I've seen him before."
22:23 <Samsuhn> "What about the bartender? Do you know who she is?"
22:46 <Mekkis> "Not to my knowledge. She's one of us, though."
22:49 <Mekkis> "A Low Azlanti."
22:54 <Tasiv> one of us?
22:57 <Tasiv> oh
24:04 <Mellon> "What will you do now?"
24:37 <Mekkis> "I'll probably go back to my family."
25:05 <Hitomi> brb 5
25:05 <Mekkis> someone comes out from back
25:05 <Tasiv> "ask her more about the bartender"
25:17 <Tasiv> "who is she? the real bartender?"
25:27 <Mekkis> "What in the nine hells happened here?"
25:40 <Samsuhn> "Are you the proprietor of this establishment?"
25:53 <Mekkis> "Why have you been shooting and stabbing people in my tavern?"
25:58 <Mekkis> "Yes, yes I am
26:03 <Samsuhn> "Your bartender attacked us."
26:08 <Samsuhn> "Well, who we assume is your batender - she was tending bar."
26:35 <Mekkis> he eyes Gogg's bloody axe, then the broken aquarium, then the injured azlanti.
26:38 <Mekkis> "Yeah sure."
26:49 <Samsuhn> "Our Low Azlanti friend here will tell you what happened."
27:02 <Mekkis> "And you decided to damage my establishment, and put blood over my floors"
27:06 <Samsuhn> Gogg wipes the blood off his axe
27:08 <Mekkis> "And smash my display?"
27:19 <Samsuhn> "We put blood on your floor, in self-defence, but your batender destroyed your aquarium."
27:23 <Samsuhn> "In order to escape from us after attacking."
27:34 <Mekkis> She speaks, "Well.. HE did stab me."
27:43 <Mekkis> "It hurt a lot. I lost consciousness."
27:44 <Samsuhn> "He did stab you. After we were attacked."
27:57 <Mekkis> "Not sure what happened to the display. I was out cold at the time."
28:41 <Samsuhn> "You were paid to guard and distract a Low Azlanti who stole our property."
28:58 <Samsuhn> "You drew your weapon and approached my companion here."
29:10 <Tasiv> "this sir is the result of blatant theft"
29:25 <Samsuhn> "I will require information on exactly who this bartender was, and where she might have gone."
29:27 <Mekkis> "It's a result of blatant property damage. That's what I can see."
29:42 <Mellon> "It absolutely was."
29:42 <Tasiv> "in our self-defense"
29:53 <Samsuhn> "You will have to take the damages out of your bartender's pay, sir."
29:53 <Mekkis> "Oh, Ulionestia. She's been with us for months."
30:06 <Mellon> "She won't be with you much longer, I think."
30:13 <Samsuhn> "She was part of a Low Azlanti plan to steal our property, which is very valuable."
30:18 <Mekkis> "No. I will require at least some of the excess paid by you."
30:33 <Mekkis> "And I will not tolerate your racist prejudices in here."
30:48 <Samsuhn> "We believe the Low Azlanti embassy may have been involved."
30:52 <Samsuhn> "That is not racism, sir, it is political."
31:37 <Tasiv> "these are not the droids you're looking for"
31:56 <Mekkis> "The Low Azlanti embassy isn't going to waste their reputation on a trinket. This is just some wild story you've concocted to explain why you trashed my tavern."
32:34 <Tasiv> "hardly - a bloodied axe just for fun? are you mad sir?"
32:45 <Mellon> "Aside from the sordid fact that we are not making this up, perhaps we can arrange a shrewd bargain for both parties."
32:47 <Samsuhn> "My friend here will confirm that she was hired to guard a person likely associated with the Low Azlanti embassy."
32:56 <Samsuhn> "That she was told to wait until she heard a glass smash, to close her eyes, and then run."
33:00 <Samsuhn> "As a distraction, no doubt."
33:10 <Mekkis> "Possibly", she says
33:23 <Mellon> "Firstly, how much would you attribute the damage to?"
33:28 <Mellon> can we appraise the damage ourselves
33:34 <Mekkis> nestor looks around
33:40 <Samsuhn> "She was hired weeks ago, back when the Pathfinder Society was first contacted about arranging an exchange of artifacts with the embassy."
33:43 <Mekkis> "I'd say 40gp should cover it."
33:53 * Mellon looks at Nestor
34:06 <Mekkis> "Bullshit, It'll be at least 60"
34:37 <Tasiv> "that depends upon what you can tell us about this barmaid of yours"
34:45 <Samsuhn> "I'm sorry, sir, but your staff attacked us and stole a very valuable piece of property."
34:53 <Samsuhn> "I demand that you pay us for the cost of the property your staff member assisted in stealing."
35:05 <Samsuhn> "nestor, what was our relic worth?"
35:06 <Mekkis> "Sure. She asked for a job about 6 months ago. I hired her. She serves customers, washes dishes, all that."
35:14 <Mekkis> "She's pretty good at her job."
35:24 <Samsuhn> "Well tell me, sir, where is she right now?"
35:36 <Samsuhn> "If she did not smash your aquarium and jump through?"
35:39 <Mekkis> Nestor: "The relic? It was priceless."
35:44 <Tasiv> "or do you know where she resides?"
35:55 <Samsuhn> "There we go, sir. You pay us PRICELESS gold pieces and we will give you 60 in return for the damage."
36:09 <Samsuhn> "Do you have PRICELESS gold pieces on you?"
36:22 <Mekkis> "What do you mean?"
36:31 <Samsuhn> "The property your bartender stole from us was priceless."
36:33 * Mellon chuckles
36:34 <Samsuhn> "Can you replace a priceless relic?"
36:45 <Tasiv> "she was in your employ was she not?"
36:49 <Mekkis> "How about you give me 60, and I don't call the guards on you."
36:49 <Mellon> "We need some real information you can give us to find her."
36:54 <Samsuhn> "If not, should you really be squabbling over 60 gold of damage to your bar? That your batender caused?"
37:03 <Tasiv> lol batender
37:04 <Mellon> "If you do, we'll be able to pay for a good portion of the damage."
37:08 <Samsuhn> "In fact, you have absolutely no proof that we caused any of this damage."
37:14 <Mellon> "But it absolutely must be something we can use."
37:18 <Samsuhn> "You have 10 witnesses here who can swear that your bartender destroyed the aquarium."
37:24 <Mekkis> "She lives about 1 mile to the south."
37:37 <Mekkis> "At your provocation."
37:39 <Tasiv> "keep talking"
37:42 <Mekkis> "no doubt."
37:46 <Samsuhn> "You have no proof of provocation, sir."
37:51 <Samsuhn> "You cannot simply spin conjecture."
38:08 <Mekkis> "You don't have proof against it. Plus, a bloody axe doesn't help with your case."
38:24 <Samsuhn> "Do the laws of this land require that someone prove their innocence, sir?"
39:04 <Mekkis> "For a civil a case regarding property damage, yes."
39:04 * Mellon shakes his head
39:12 <Samsuhn> "You are threatening guards."
39:16 <Samsuhn> "That does not seem like a civil case to me."
39:24 <Mekkis> "Especially if assault is obvious."
39:33 <Samsuhn> "If you wish to call me before a magistrate at some point in the future to prove that we did not destroy your bar, please have your man give me the details."
39:37 <Samsuhn> "Until then, we have work to do."
39:50 <Samsuhn> "My friend here is not about to press charges of assault."
40:09 <Mekkis> "What did you do to her?"
40:36 <Samsuhn> "She had a job to do, she did that job - although implicit in the theft of our property, I believe it was not out of malice."
40:41 <Mekkis> "Very well. Get out, and don't return."
40:44 <Mekkis> "Ever."
40:56 <Samsuhn> we take the low azlanti with us as we leave
40:59 <Mekkis> ok
41:03 <Tasiv> wait
41:09 <Mekkis> what are you doing now?
41:13 <Tasiv> can i stay behind and talk to this guy
41:14 <Tasiv> ?
41:17 <Mekkis> no
41:21 <Tasiv> shizen
41:23 <Tasiv> ok
41:39 <Mekkis> You go to the embassy
41:57 <Samsuhn> we go to the embassy
42:01 <Tasiv> yep
42:03 <Samsuhn> I'll ask the low azlanti to follow us
42:04 <Mekkis> as you're walking there,  Ahrmisa looks around
42:13 <Samsuhn> "What's wrong?"
42:17 <Mekkis> "GET AWAY FROM ME"
42:30 <Samsuhn> "Go h ome to your family."
42:31 <Tasiv> subdue her
42:31 <Mekkis> she runs away
42:41 <Mekkis> ok
42:51 <Mekkis> ok
42:54 <Mekkis> you're at the embassy
43:01 <Mekkis> a different gillman sees you
43:12 <Mekkis> "WHat is your business."
43:12 <Samsuhn> "Good morning."
43:19 <Samsuhn> "We wish to see Shaolo."
43:20 <Mekkis> "Good morning."
43:28 <Mekkis> "Shaolo?"
43:31 <Mekkis> "Who is he?"
43:43 <Mellon> "One of your representatives?"
43:51 <Mekkis> "Haven't heard of him"
43:53 <Samsuhn> "A man who purported to represent the Low Azlanti embassy has stolen property from us."
43:58 <Tasiv> ARTIFACT SWAP FAIL
44:11 <Mekkis> "What do you mean?"
44:17 <Mekkis> "How did he do that?"
44:21 <Samsuhn> "We were sent here by the Pathfinder Society to trade artifacts."
44:29 <Samsuhn> "A man we saw here yesterday arranged a meeting with Shaolo at a local tavern."
45:03 <Mekkis> "This embassy hasn't had any dealings with the Pathfinder Society."
45:33 <Samsuhn> "Did the embassy find an artifact on the Inner Sea floor?"
46:37 <Mekkis> "The embassy doesn't do that sort of thing."
47:21 <Samsuhn> "Well, a Low Azlanti is clearly misrepresenting the embassy to the Pathfinder Society."
47:29 <Samsuhn> "Do you perchance have any resources we could make use of to track this man down?"
48:08 <Mekkis> "Hmm... this is a dire accusation. I'll see if I can get the ambassador. Hold a moment."
48:16 <Mekkis> he walks away
48:16 <Samsuhn> "Thank you, good sir."
48:29 <Mekkis> and returns, 20 minutes, with the Ambassador.
49:05 <Samsuhn> "Ambassador, thank you for taking the time to meet with us."
49:06 <Mekkis> "Greetings, I am Kasharri, Low Azlanti Ambassador to Escadar."
49:19 <Mekkis> "I hear you have a serious accusation. Spit it out."
49:30 <Samsuhn> "I am Samsuhn and these are my companions. We have come from Absalom on the behest of the Pathfinder Society."
49:37 <Mekkis> "mmm..."
49:56 <Samsuhn> "We had been tasked with offering a trade - the embassy in Escadar was to have found an artifact on the Inner Sea floor, and we were to trade our own artifact for it."
50:11 <Mekkis> "We were not told anything about that."
50:14 <Samsuhn> "When we got here yesterday, a man who claimed to represent the embassy arranged a meeting with a Low Azlanti named Shaolo in a local tavern."
50:23 <Samsuhn> "Instead of an exchange, this person stole our artifact."
50:44 <Samsuhn> "We believe this Shaolo has misrepresented the embassy, and are hoping you can assist in tracking him down."
50:57 <Mekkis> "That is disappointing. The Embassy and the Low Azlanti accept no responsibility for this though."
51:06 <Samsuhn> "Of course, nor should you."
51:27 <Samsuhn> "But this Shaolo is representing himself as a member of the embassy, and surely you would want that behaviour to cease?"
51:44 <Mekkis> "Does this have anything to do with the strange incidents in shipping over the past few days?"
51:55 <Samsuhn> "What are the strange incidents?"
52:17 <Mekkis> "We will conduct an internal investigation over this, and ensure the integrity of our staff."
52:43 <Mekkis> "Well, several warships that were searching the main shipping routes from Absalom to Escadar have disbanded."
52:50 <Mekkis> "Does that have anything to do with this?"
53:33 <Mekkis> "And headed to the north, east and west."
53:51 <Samsuhn> "It's possible, though I don't see the link."
54:34 <Mekkis> "They were slowing down Escadar's trade to Absalom"
54:52 <Mekkis> "hmmm... Well, I suggest you report to your superiors and see what they have to say."
55:47 <Samsuhn> "Thank you, Ambassador. If we can simply warn you of this man misrepresenting your embassy, and the possible security breach of your organisation, we can ask no more than you investigate it. Thank you for your advice."
55:57 <Samsuhn> we'll do some asking around for Grandmaster Torch's contacts
56:23 <Mekkis> After about a day, you meet someone.
56:50 <Mekkis> he's human
57:14 <Samsuhn> "Greetings sir. The Grandmaster has told us to seek out one of his contacts if we need assistance."
57:35 <Mekkis> "Ah.. You must be Dreng's pathfinders. Torch told me you might be here."
57:45 <Samsuhn> "Yeah, seems like our mission was a seutp."
58:14 <Mekkis> "I received a missive from Dreng, recalling you back to absalom as soon as possible. The shipping lanes are now open, so book passage there."
59:22 <Samsuhn> "Have you heard from Grandmaster Torch?"
59:41 <Mekkis> "He said you'd be coming. That's the last I heard from him."
59:48 <Mellon> we head back
01:53 <Mellon> is that it mekkis?
02:03 <Tasiv> ok
02:05 Mellon is now known as Avatar
02:11 <Tasiv> thank you mekkis!
02:17 Tasiv is now known as tristen
05:49 Samsuhn is now known as Ballig
11:46 <Avatar> `op
11:46 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
11:52 * Avatar removes voice from Ballig Hitomi tristen
14:20 Hitomi is now known as Thelen
19:10 <Avatar> gg
19:14 <Thelen> fun fun
19:22 <Avatar> did anyone else level up?
19:33 <Avatar> 3 exp
19:41 <Thelen> shouldn't me and tristen?
19:42 <Ballig> I levelled up
19:49 <Ballig> how many scenarios has your character done
19:50 <Ballig> isn't this the second
19:52 <Avatar> what scenarios have you played
20:07 <Avatar> first steps 1, first steps 3 and
20:13 <Avatar> we be goblins isn't quite done yet
20:21 <Avatar> probably should have brought that up with the big J
21:07 <Thelen> yea, i think or 3rd?
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21:14 <Thelen> yea 2nd
21:17 <Ballig> oh haven't we finished we be goblins
21:18 <Ballig> that's right
21:19 <Ballig> who's in that
21:25 <Avatar> you, tristen, jaggedsoul
21:33 <Avatar> we can't fit in a 4th I don't think
21:34 <Ballig> he said we can NPC him
21:37 <Ballig> can we NPC him in we be goblins
21:41 <Avatar> in we be goblins?
21:46 <Avatar> when did he say that
21:48 <Ballig> I think he said that last week
21:55 <Avatar> ug
21:57 <Avatar> I guess we can
22:02 <Ballig> let's play it now !
22:04 <Ballig> how long is left
22:43 <Avatar> I am a bit burnt out now
22:48 <Ballig> are you
22:48 <Avatar> oh uh
22:52 <Ballig> how long is left on the scenario though
22:55 <Avatar> hm would you need it for tomorrow's game
22:56 <Ballig> I felt it was only an encounter or two
22:59 <Avatar> not long
23:00 <Avatar> maybe an hour
23:09 <Avatar> very close to the end
23:10 <Ballig> what will we need for tomorrow's game
23:18 <Avatar> yourself
23:21 <Avatar> maybe some doritos
23:25 <Ballig> man I wish
23:27 <Ballig> I'm on a health kick
23:27 <Thelen> lol
23:39 <Avatar> Thelen: where were you on day 1
23:46 <Avatar> tristen made it
23:54 <tristen> we played goblins on day 1
23:55 <Thelen> i slept in :/
24:02 <Ballig> trust Thelen
24:06 <Thelen> had a long week
24:08 <Thelen> late nights
24:37 <tristen> tasiv and thelen have played two, er, scenarios i think?
24:41 <tristen> last sunday
24:43 <tristen> and today
24:50 <tristen> hitomi
24:56 <Thelen> yea
25:01 <Avatar> slept in and missed out on that sweet, sweet exp
25:08 <Thelen> :P
25:16 <Avatar> tristen you're definitely one up on thelen
25:22 <Avatar> I don't think you've played any other scenarios have you
25:37 <tristen> no
25:39 <Thelen> well i only have 1 chronicle sheet
26:14 <Avatar> er
26:22 <Avatar> that's first steps 1
26:25 <Avatar> you haven't gotten todays obviously
26:31 <Avatar> and you weren't in we be goblins
26:40 <Avatar> (which also isn't done)
26:48 <Ballig> yeah
26:58 <Ballig> tristen's character will be able to level once we be goblins is finished
27:03 <Ballig> but thelen's character will be one game down
27:18 <Avatar> tristen are you up to finishing off we be goblins tonight?
27:26 <Avatar> don't push yourself if you're not
27:29 <tristen> hmmmm...could be a stretch
27:35 <Avatar> ok we'll leave it
27:56 <Ballig> maybe see how you are after dinner
28:02 <Ballig> it's saturday night, we can be up late if it'll only take an hour
28:08 <tristen> yep ok
28:10 <Thelen> globins, i can play jaggeds char
28:24 <Thelen> since he ain't here?
28:34 <tristen> yeah or there's an npc too?
28:38 <Ballig> there's an NPC too
28:39 <Thelen> w/e
28:42 <tristen> or that _was_ the npc
28:47 <Ballig> you'll be able to play, you just wont' get credit on a character
29:10 <Thelen> i'll steal his XP
29:11 <tristen> how can we help thelen catch up?
29:24 <Avatar> he plays, you don't
29:29 <tristen> k
29:29 <Thelen> XD
29:32 <Avatar> there's no way to "catch up"
29:32 <Thelen> is ok
29:34 <Thelen> dun really matter
29:37 <tristen> i'm away for the christmas weekend
29:40 <Avatar> you're better off just playing and playing
29:46 <Avatar> ah what dates
29:49 <Thelen> anyhoo off to shops to get some drinks, ill be back around 7pm so maybe then
29:54 <Avatar> gg Thelen
29:55 <tristen> k
29:59 <tristen> yeah gg
30:12 <tristen> i'll be leaving melb on the 24th
30:12 <Thelen> yup tnx cu then
30:24 <tristen> and back on the 27th or 28th
30:56 <tristen> yeah so effectively out next weekend
31:08 <tristen> not even a wireless connection where i'm going
31:21 <Avatar> when do you guys have holidays
31:31 <tristen> for weekday gaming?
31:35 <Avatar> we aren't limited to weekends over holiday breaks, only for whenever you're availabile
31:54 <tristen> yeah i'm good anytime really - just run it past me in advance
32:22 <tristen> if you see me on skype then i'm around
32:44 <Avatar> cool
33:58 <Brunius> I should be good for Tuesday onwards
34:17 <Brunius> Just run it past me in advance so I can make sure my brother doesn't pull a dick move
34:59 <Avatar> cool
35:07 <Avatar> I think we need you to finish a scenario
35:09 <Avatar> what was it again
35:13 <Avatar> oh wait, no we don't
35:18 <Avatar> :)
35:59 <Brunius> :P
37:41 <Ballig> Brunius: break your brother's fingers
38:01 <Avatar> he does pull quite a lot of dick moves
38:20 <Avatar> it's kind of like he makes up for your over-maturity
39:13 <Brunius> Ha
39:23 <Brunius> Ballig: I'm trying NOT to get banned from the computer
39:33 <Ballig> blame it on your sister
39:35 <Brunius> My parents know how effective that punishment would be
40:50 <Avatar> do you have a sister
40:58 <Brunius> Yes
41:03 <Brunius> How did Ballig know that?
41:04 <Avatar> is she too young for ballig
41:09 <Brunius> Yes
41:13 <Avatar> he probably didn't know, you just told him though
41:14 <Brunius> She is way too young for Ballig
41:16 <Ballig> she's very young
41:18 <Ballig> under 10, from memory
42:16 <Avatar> you hot dog
42:30 <Brunius> How the hell does Ballig know this?
42:34 <Brunius> Did I tell you guys?
42:37 <Ballig> yepo
42:38 <Brunius> It seems like I would
42:39 <Avatar> you must have
42:39 <Ballig> -o
42:42 <Avatar> you're the stalker, not him
43:06 <Brunius> Who is Jolly, Avatar?
44:31 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul
44:32 <Avatar> haha
19:43 <Thelen> HEY BITCHES
21:19 <Thelen> was a bit late
21:31 <Avatar> you da bitch
21:34 <Thelen> talking to the folks who got back from PNG today
21:43 <Thelen> they was in the earthquake apparently :D
21:49 <Thelen> well near
25:26 <Avatar> I think I'll be putting a skill point into linguistics to learn some Azlanti
26:29 <Avatar> what else did I say I was going to buy?
26:35 <Avatar> I can't carry a periscope I don't think
26:43 <Avatar> with an 8 str, even 4lb is a lot
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26:51 <Ballig> muleback cords
27:22 <Avatar> how much are they
27:25 <Ballig> 900 I think
27:26 <Ballig> or 1000
27:31 <Avatar> that's like all my money
28:46 <Spaceshot_tm2_> do it
28:59 <Ballig> it's +8 strength
29:33 <Avatar> I guess I could just get the cords and a wand of CLW with 2PA
29:38 <Avatar> sorry, 2 prestige
33:13 <Avatar> how much was the offering again?
33:14 <Avatar> 11gp each?
33:35 <Ballig> 5gp each
33:41 <Ballig> the boat was 11gp each
33:51 <Avatar> man I forgot the boat
34:30 <Ballig> man, I have 7 strength
34:35 <Ballig> I'm envious of your 8 strength
34:44 <Thelen> lol
34:59 <Thelen> its like "i can't even pick *up* the jar let alone hand it to someone else to open"
35:05 <Ballig> ha
35:28 <Thelen> you so weak, Ralph Wiggum beats you in arm wrsteling
35:56 <Ballig> his cat's breath smells like cat food
36:01 <Thelen> XD
38:09 <Thelen> Ralph Wiggum, pick a Winner.
38:22 <Thelen> I got beat up by girl lisa AND boy lisa
49:26 <Avatar> 8 str may have been a mistake
49:32 <Avatar> especially when you take mule cords into account
49:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> this avatar cheatin?
49:42 <Avatar> that's +2 to another ability there
49:47 <Avatar> no
49:47 <Ballig> haha what
49:54 <Ballig> why may it have been a mistake
50:11 <Avatar> 8 to 7 str isn't that much if you assume 16 to 15
50:17 <Avatar> I wouldn't need more encumberance than that
50:23 <Ballig> you can't take 7
50:25 <Avatar> and it would've changed like
50:28 <Ballig> I only have 7 because of my race don't I
50:30 <Ballig> maybe you can take 7
50:42 <Avatar> er, I actually have 9 str
50:47 <Ballig> oh no, maybe I took 7
50:53 <Avatar> yeah you can get 7 man
50:56 <Avatar> that's a common dump stat
50:59 <Avatar> gives you +4 to your point buy
51:06 <Avatar> vs 8's +2
51:16 <Avatar> I have 7 charisma
51:27 <Ballig> it's 20 point buy isn't it
51:36 <Avatar> yeah
51:39 <Avatar> but if you put one stat as 7
51:41 <Avatar> it becomes 24
52:01 <Ballig> yeah
52:41 <Avatar> wouldn't really work with mine, if I dropped my 9 str to 7, that'd give me 3 extra points on the point buy, which doesn't work with my 10 (to 13) wisdom
52:46 <Avatar> better in strength
52:51 <Avatar> and 9 to 8 doesn't work either
52:56 <Avatar> that'd make my 10 to 11 
53:25 <Ballig> yeah
53:49 <Ballig> I did 7 10 12 18 10 14
54:28 <Avatar> linguistics is actually a really decent skill for wizards
54:33 <Ballig> why
54:44 <Avatar> you start off with a bazillion languages with your high int
54:58 <Avatar> an each point in linguistics gets you even more, which you can also use for regular linguistics checks
55:00 <Thelen> dont you mean bajillion?
55:04 <Avatar> which also uses int to boost it
55:07 <Avatar> it's also a class skill
55:23 <Avatar> Thelen: don't be silly, you end up with bajillion later
55:27 <Avatar> by the end of it all
55:31 <Thelen> oh right
55:32 <Thelen> sorry
55:45 <Avatar> too early for a rank in fly?
56:05 <Ballig> you get a language per int modifier
56:09 <Ballig> and wizards have high int modifiers
56:22 <Avatar> yeah that's the starting off bit
56:38 <Ballig> it's a useful skill because knowing the right language can make a difference (though apparently not with kobold druids)
56:47 <Avatar> so you end up having a sort of comprehend languages thing going
57:00 <Avatar> yeah forget kobold druids, they are the worst
57:00 <Ballig> or you could just cast comprehend languages !
57:03 <Ballig> though you can't speak it
57:04 <Avatar> maybe if we knew druidic
57:18 <Avatar> casting comprehend languages requires money spent on a scroll or a spell slot, neither of which I want to spend
57:31 <Avatar> and it also has you comprehending things Late
57:47 <Avatar> because they say something like gnslla psodfi sodfkdl sk sksdo
57:52 <Avatar> and you go oh oh I need to comprehend this
57:54 <Avatar> and cast it
57:57 <Avatar> but you missed that first line
58:42 <Avatar> and why on earth does my human character have a +2 racial trait to perception
59:20 <Avatar> oh wait, Mellon is an elf
59:27 <Avatar> ha, check it out
00:51 <Ballig> er
01:00 <Ballig> hope you didn't add that extra skill point then :p
01:12 <Avatar> don't elves get favoured class
01:36 <Ballig> you were also counting the human bonus point
01:43 <Avatar> oh yeah
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02:03 <Avatar> I was still 1 down
02:06 <Avatar> I thought I was 2 down
03:53 <Ballig> ahh okay
03:58 <Ballig> so you had 7 skills but needed 8?
04:10 <Avatar> yeah
04:23 <Avatar> I obviously forgot to put that favoured class point in somewhere
07:29 <Mekkis> HP
07:31 <Mekkis> obv
08:24 <Avatar> I didn't, and I was okay
08:27 <Avatar> (just) ;)
08:31 <Avatar> I have toughness
08:38 <Ballig> Mekkis: do you determine where a sleep lands on the round that it lands, or on the round that you start casting
09:01 <Mekkis> you determine the target as you finish casting the spell
10:42 <Ballig> !throw 3d6
10:42 <diebot> Ballig, 3d6: [3d6=3,3,6] 12
10:57 <Mekkis> !throw 6#3d6
10:58 <diebot> Mekkis, 6#3d6: [3d6=4,2,2] 8, [3d6=1,3,4] 8, [3d6=4,3,3] 10, [3d6=6,6,3] 15, [3d6=4,5,4] 13, [3d6=5,5,6] 16
33:08 <Avatar> should I put more points into more knowledge skills
33:23 <Avatar> I still have engineering, history, planes, religion
33:28 <Avatar> untrained
34:36 <Ballig> yeah
34:50 <Ballig> one in each !
34:54 <Avatar> you reckon
34:58 <Avatar> I only 3 points left
35:42 <Ballig> unspend a point
35:47 <Ballig> remove that point in linguistics
35:52 <Avatar> no way
35:54 <Avatar> I'm keeping azlanti
36:02 <Avatar> I want to put an extra point to get another language, but I can't
36:10 <Avatar> I already learnt an extra one at 1st level too
36:28 <Ballig> learn osirion instead
36:35 <Avatar> I already know osiriani
36:43 <Avatar> actually I think I am still too low on languages too
36:48 <Avatar> I only know 7 languages + common
37:03 <Avatar> it should be common +5 int +2 for linguistics
37:07 <Avatar> oh wait
37:16 <Avatar> ok so that's right
37:23 <Ballig> what race are you again
37:26 <Avatar> elf
37:33 <Avatar> does elf get more?
37:34 <Ballig> isn't it common and elven and +5
37:42 <Avatar> shit yeah!
38:28 <Mekkis> but the +5 comes from a limited list
38:32 <Avatar> I obviously didn't have a very good look at my sheet before I started playing this character
38:40 <Ballig> ha
38:57 <Avatar> 2 extra spells isn't it
39:01 <Ballig> yeah there's only 7 on the list you can choose 5 from
39:08 <Ballig> although, I think you can choose regional languages instead of th ose
39:12 <Ballig> it's 1 extra spell
39:14 <Ballig> why would it be 2
39:18 <Mekkis> [citation needed]
39:27 <Avatar> am I thinking sorcerer
39:56 <Ballig> it's a level 1 spell at level one, and a second level 1 spell at level two
40:25 <Avatar>  At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells 
40:25 <Avatar> of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new 
40:25 <Avatar> wizard level) for his spellbook.
40:33 <Ballig> oh you mean learning
40:34 <Ballig> right, okay
40:36 <Ballig> my bad
41:05 <Avatar> maybe I should add endure bloody elements
41:19 <Ballig> just get a wand
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41:35 <Mekkis> agreed
41:45 <Mekkis> when you need it, everyone needs it
41:49 <Ballig> yeah
41:53 <Mekkis> that's a good enough reason to get a wand
41:54 <Ballig> you can't waste 4 slots
42:02 <Ballig> and 100gp (on scrolls) every time you need it is EXPENSIVE
43:11 <Ballig> Mekkis: how much gold did we get from that scenario
43:23 <Mekkis> I'm working it out
43:29 <Ballig> okaty
43:39 <Mekkis> oh
43:43 <Mekkis> first things first...
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43:57 <Mekkis> has your experience with first steps helped you choose a faction?
44:07 <Avatar> Jaggedsoul: when are you free to finish we be goblins
44:08 <Ballig> yeah, I'm osirion
44:15 <Avatar> mellon's andoran
44:22 <Avatar> he has an andoran trait
44:28 <Mekkis> you met Amenopheus?
44:32 <Avatar> probably, I don't know
44:38 <Avatar> no I don't think so
44:41 <Avatar> is he in part 2
44:43 <Mekkis> no
44:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, he locked Buck in a room, remember?
44:55 <Avatar> oh wait! yes I did
44:58 <Avatar> ho ho ho
45:03 <Avatar> well sort of
45:03 <Ballig> did Mellon meet him
45:04 <Avatar> he wasn't there
45:08 <Mekkis> Ballig, ywhat did you think about him?
45:17 <Avatar> he fucking locked my friend in a room
45:17 <Ballig> Samsuhn only did first steps 3
45:22 <Avatar> so I will side with him
45:31 <Mekkis> Mellon never met Major Colson Maldris
45:37 <Avatar> also I have an andoran-only trait
45:50 <Jaggedsoul> I'm available tuesday morning
45:51 <Ballig> do you actually have to meet the faction leader in first steps to choose your faction
45:54 <Ballig> is it harder to choose a faction now
45:55 <Mekkis> no
45:58 <Mekkis> but you should
45:59 <Avatar> tuesday
46:00 <Jaggedsoul> or sunday next week
46:09 <Avatar> what about tonight?
46:12 <Ballig> samshun can't do any more first steps, he's level 2 now
46:15 <Mekkis> you're available christmas?
46:28 <Ballig> he's in the philippines
46:31 <Ballig> maybe they don't celebrate
46:32 <Avatar> tristen wants to level up
46:42 <Avatar> and he can't until you are here to play it out
47:03 <Jaggedsoul> we do
47:04 <Avatar> there's about an hour to go
47:13 <Mekkis> I'm not sure what Maldris would think of Mellon
47:24 <Mekkis> not he'll give Mellon benefit of the doubt
47:24 <Avatar> Mekkis: andoran, we played pallid plague
47:28 <Avatar> so I can't really change
47:39 <Jaggedsoul> when are you planning to play?
47:48 <Avatar> maybe tonight if you can play
47:50 <Ballig> Jaggedsoul: what if we played right now
48:09 <Jaggedsoul> I have work
48:12 <Ballig> right now?
48:13 <Ballig> what do you do
48:23 <Jaggedsoul> quality evaluator
48:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> phone sex guy/girl
48:27 <Jaggedsoul> at a call center
48:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> clearly
48:37 <Ballig> you listen to telemarketers?
48:44 <Jaggedsoul> tech support
48:52 <Ballig> oh
49:08 <Mekkis> you can use IRC in there, right?
49:08 <Avatar> Mekkis: how much prestige did we get
49:11 <Mekkis> 2
49:21 <Mekkis> you didn't get max gold though
49:21 <Jaggedsoul> nah
49:39 <Avatar> don't you always get max gold
49:44 <Mekkis> nope
49:52 <Mekkis> sometimes you get more-than-max gold
49:52 <Avatar> minus paying for things like Good meals of course
50:00 <Mekkis> sometimes you get less-than-max gold
50:05 <Mekkis> for pissing off certain things
50:05 <Jaggedsoul> Mekkis do you update our character's sheet?
50:06 <Avatar> how does that work
50:08 <Mekkis> like Centaurs
50:16 <Avatar> oh man, take that out of jaggedsoul's account
50:17 <Ballig> take that out of Gogg's share
50:22 <Mekkis> and therefore missing out on the reward
50:29 <Jaggedsoul> what?
50:39 <Jaggedsoul> I was the only one who asked a question
50:47 <Ballig> and that question was "can I ride the horse"
50:47 <Avatar> "can I ride you?" 
50:49 <Ballig> which pissed them off :p
51:05 <Mekkis> Nightmare played First Steps 3
51:08 <Jaggedsoul> I didn't say it out loud
51:11 <Ballig> you did
51:14 <Ballig> because they heard you and it pissed them off
51:18 <Ballig> that's why they took off all angry
51:26 <Mekkis> he greeted them and impressed them with his diplomatic skills :)
51:31 <Avatar> did you not catch that during the game :P
51:37 <Avatar> we made quite a big deal of it
51:51 <Jaggedsoul> look up Centaur customs
52:02 <Ballig> does it say "they don't get upset if you try to ride them"?
52:03 <Jaggedsoul> it's an honor to be asked for a ride
52:06 <Jaggedsoul> :D
52:08 <Avatar> Mekkis: I have to tell you, I don't care much about this handout
52:13 <Avatar> do I get extra prestige for doing something 
52:16 <Avatar> what am I missing
52:35 <Mekkis> can you live up to those expectations?
52:41 <Avatar> blah blah defeating tyranny blah blah I will inform you of my expectations blah blah
52:46 <Mekkis> " Clearly you value the freedom of every sentient creature"
53:00 <Avatar> well I didn't want to ride the fucking centaur
53:04 <Mekkis> "work to spread democracy throughout the Inner Sea"
53:19 <Mekkis> "promoting freedom and self-government"
53:19 <Avatar> oh I get it
53:25 <Avatar> this is to help guide me in how I am meant to act
53:33 <Avatar> well here's my reaction to that, what is my alignment, hang on
53:37 <Mekkis> "rise to be the most powerful and influential nation"
53:37 <Ballig> yeah
53:41 <Ballig> it's some roleplay for your faction
53:44 <Avatar> True Neutral, Mellon doesn't give a rats
53:45 <Ballig> wait, wait
53:50 <Ballig> I said osirion, that was my cleric
53:52 <Ballig> samsuhn is cheliax
54:03 <Avatar> this should be good
54:06 <Mekkis> Avatar, faction is more than alignment
54:11 <Ballig> I've met the paracountess, but not on samsuhn
54:15 <Avatar> oh I'll do those things
54:19 <Avatar> but I don't care for this guy
54:35 <Ballig> yeah, it's kind of like someone in russia working to further communism
54:38 <Ballig> even if they are lawful
54:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> then why play him?
54:48 <Ballig> one is moral guidance, the other is usually political
55:04 <Avatar> I believe in freeing slaves and whatnot
55:09 <Avatar> but what do I care about this joker
55:10 <Spaceshot_tm2> why play Mellon if you don't give a rats arse about him?
55:14 <Avatar> locking people in rooms and whatnot
55:17 <Avatar> that's the OPPOSITE of freedom
55:22 <Ballig> "him" wasn't reference to his character
55:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> I dunno
55:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> XD
55:48 <Avatar> in fact I'm not even sure this amnowhatsits even really gets what andoran is all about
56:42 <Mekkis> Maldras?
56:47 <Ballig> need to think of a good icon for the blackout function
57:18 <Ballig> mekkis is coming on to me :(
58:01 <Jaggedsoul> Mekkis, do I update my char sheet after completing a scenario?
58:06 <Mekkis> yes
58:09 <Ballig> Jaggedsoul: you get a chronicle sheet
58:14 <Ballig> it tells you what you need to know to update your character sheet
58:19 <Mekkis> I'll have the chronicle sheets done up tonight
58:20 <Jaggedsoul> what happened btw?
58:24 <Jaggedsoul> ok
58:25 <Ballig> we lost the relic
58:31 <Mekkis> anyone want to explain?
58:32 <Jaggedsoul> whaaat?
58:36 <Ballig> the whole thing was a setup
58:52 <Jaggedsoul> ah
58:59 <Ballig> we met someone at the embassy who set up a meeting, we attended the meeting and were ambushed by a planted spellcaster
59:06 <Ballig> and the guys we were there to meet with ran off with the relic
59:16 <Ballig> and it turned out the embassy had never found an artifact or offered to trade it
00:28 <Jaggedsoul> dang
01:06 <Mekkis>   If the PCs fail to stop the Aspis con, they are met with
01:06 <Mekkis> disappointment upon their return to the Grand Lodge,
01:06 <Mekkis> but Drandle Dreng admits that it wasn’t just the PCs who
01:06 <Mekkis> were duped. He says that the Decemvirate is not pleased,
01:06 <Mekkis> but places the blame more on himself than on the PCs.
01:06 <Mekkis> Dreng warns the PCs that the Aspis Consortium is the
01:06 <Mekkis> greatest threat to the Pathfinder Society and that they
01:06 <Mekkis> should be ever vigilant against the organization in their
01:06 <Mekkis> ongoing careers.
02:22 <Jaggedsoul> nice story arc!
02:34 <Jaggedsoul> hey guys gtg
02:42 <Jaggedsoul> til next
03:05 <Ballig> tata
03:10 <tristen> hey!
03:18 <tristen> just got back from walkies
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03:37 <tristen> whassup? we gonna finish this goblin thing?
03:45 <Ballig> I'm game
03:51 <Ballig> Avatar?
04:45 <tristen> bloody hell it's hot 
04:50 <Ballig> really
04:51 <Ballig> it's nice here
04:59 <tristen> stinking
05:08 <Ballig> all right, I came up with a half decent icon for the blackout function
05:44 <tristen> for ca?
05:48 <Ballig> yea
05:55 <Avatar> when did JS say he was going to plya
05:55 <tristen> gizzaurl?
05:56 <Avatar> play
06:01 <Ballig> Avatar: tuesday morning
06:03 <Ballig> or christmas day
06:10 <Mekkis> cool
06:12 <Mekkis> what is it?
06:23 <Avatar> that's bloody inconvenient
06:46 <Avatar> one of you unavailable tonight, one of you unavailable tuesday, one of you unavailable christmas day
07:03 <Ballig> http://i.imgur.com/RHYNj.png
07:24 <Avatar> did he say he's okay to be npc'd
07:45 <Ballig> the icon I'm using for the blast radius is slightly too circular for my liking
07:48 <Ballig> Avatar: yeah ofc
08:18 <Ballig> although blast radii are meant to be circular, realistically
08:20 <Avatar> when
08:42 <Ballig> [8:57:30 PM] <Jaggedsoul> You can NPC me in We Be Goblins, fine sir.
08:52 <tristen> blast radius - is that the hollow circle icon?
08:56 <Avatar> what day was that
08:57 <Ballig> yeah it is
09:01 <Ballig> Avatar: today !
09:07 <Avatar> don't lie
09:41 <Mekkis> 401 -160 -28 -2
09:47 <Avatar> I'll try to catch him on tuesday and see if he wants to play earlier than sunday
09:53 <Avatar> earlier than saturday
09:58 <Ballig> that's a lot of negatives
09:59 <Mekkis> !throw 1d0+401-160-28-2
10:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d0+401-160-28-2: [1d0=0] 211
10:03 <Mekkis> 211gp
10:05 <Ballig> got almost half gold
10:09 <Mekkis> that's just harsh
10:09 <Avatar> what the hell 
10:11 <Avatar> is that our gold
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10:20 <Ballig> what was the 160? the centaur?
10:26 <tristen> http://www.journeyo.com/images/maps/template_cross.png
10:32 <tristen> that's not a bad circle
10:35 <Mekkis>   rewards: If the PCs defeat the gillmen, give each PC
10:35 <Mekkis> 160 gp.
10:40 <tristen> ignore the name...
10:51 <Ballig> a single encounter for almost half the gold in the scenario?
10:52 <Ballig> that is harsh
11:05 <Mekkis> I won't take the 160 off
11:06 <Avatar> why have we always given max gold in the past
11:11 <Mekkis> !throw 1d0+401-28-2
11:12 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d0+401-28-2: [1d0=0] 371
11:14 <Avatar> I thought that's just a thing
11:22 <Mekkis> because you've succeeded in the past?
11:26 <Ballig> ha
11:29 <Avatar> pretty sure we haven't
11:39 <Mekkis> I'll give you 371
11:44 <Avatar> the jokers in my scenarios haven't succeeded everywhere there's gold
11:46 <Mekkis> the other 30 was the centaurs
11:56 <Ballig> stupid centaurs
12:02 <Avatar> hang on, I don't understand
12:04 <Mekkis> (that wasn't a failure, that was a stupid failure)
12:06 <Avatar> why has the max gold thing changed now
12:18 <Avatar> you can't tell us we've succeeded every other time
12:18 <Avatar> surely
12:28 <Ballig> we haven't been given max gold every game
12:36 <Mekkis> Alright
12:39 <Avatar> according to my chronicle sheets we have
12:45 <Ballig> also while I think about it
12:48 <Avatar> in cons they do it too
12:51 <Ballig> Mekkis: can you not do the fullscreen PDF thing
12:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, Mellon: dayjob roll please
12:58 <Mekkis> if any
13:02 <Avatar> I don't have one
13:06 <Mekkis> that's easy
13:06 <Ballig> I have craft It hink
13:12 <Mekkis> what's your total expenses?
13:22 <Mekkis> 11gp ship's passage
13:29 <Avatar> 25-2-11-5
13:31 <Avatar> -5sp
13:40 <Mekkis> what for?
13:42 <Ballig> 5 gold on the shrine, 11 on the boat
13:50 <Avatar> 25 for the scroll of endure eles, 2 for the butterfly net
13:54 <Ballig> what
13:57 <Ballig> what scroll
13:59 <Avatar> 11 for the ship, 5 for the offering
14:03 <Avatar> I bought a scroll remember
14:08 <Ballig> nope
14:09 <Avatar> when we hit pier's end I think it was
14:16 <Ballig> I didn't pay that much attention
14:21 <Avatar> we were talking about the discounted butterfly net, which I bought
14:25 <Ballig> I remember that
14:28 <Avatar> and the scroll
14:33 <Avatar> and I said I won't bother with other scrolls for now
14:34 <Ballig> did you get the scroll? I thought it wasn't available
14:44 <Avatar> wasn't it? if not, I get it now I guess
14:47 <Avatar> who cares
14:52 <Ballig> yeah either way
15:02 <Ballig> fuck, I'm sure I was about to do something
15:13 <Avatar> Mekkis: and 5sp for the good meal that did us no good
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17:57 <Mekkis> one other thing
18:04 <Mekkis> there are two wizards in the party
18:19 <Spaceshot_tm2> sup brunius
18:23 <Mekkis> are you feeling like INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE!?
18:27 <Brunius> nm, you?
18:29 <Ballig> I sure am
18:33 <Avatar> yeah me too
18:33 <Ballig> because I want his informations
18:44 <Mekkis> want to roll some spellcrafts?
18:51 <Avatar> sorry, what are you talking about
18:53 <Avatar> what information
18:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> eh, a bit bored and a bit irritated about chicks going all batshit crazy
19:01 <Ballig> spells
19:08 <Avatar> oh
19:13 <Avatar> no I will pay 25gp for endure elements
19:17 <Avatar> actually uh
19:19 <Avatar> I'll buy 2
19:21 <Avatar> one for my spellbook
19:30 <Ballig> how much are spells to transcribe from another wizard
19:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> you don't auto get spells (unless they changed it in pathfinder or PFS)
19:44 <Avatar> that's an excellent question
19:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> you still have to make the roll don't you?
19:50 <Avatar> question(s)
20:21 <Avatar> having endure elements in your spellbook does seem good, even if you carry a scroll
20:29 <Ballig> 10 gold for level 1
20:31 <Avatar> being able to prepare it on demand like today would've been handy
20:33 <Ballig> yeah easy, I'll take three spells
20:38 <Mekkis> Ballig, 10* level^2
20:38 <Ballig> expeditious retreat, feather fall, and reduce person
20:44 <Ballig> !throw 1d20+9 spellcraft
20:44 <Avatar> whoa, what?
20:45 <diebot> Ballig, spellcraft: [1d20=11] 20
20:45 <Ballig> !throw 1d20+9 spellcraft
20:45 <diebot> Ballig, spellcraft: [1d20=2] 11
20:45 <diebot> Ballig, spellcraft: [1d20=7] 16
20:46 <Ballig> in that order
21:07 <Ballig> Avatar: every spell you steal from me will cost you 10 gold
21:09 <Avatar> we can add spells in our spellbook with spellcraft rolls, for 10gp each?
21:16 <Ballig> as long as I have it and you don't, yes
21:18 <Ballig> we're sharing spellbooks
21:19 <Spaceshot_tm2> is it 10 + or 15 + lvl as the scribe dc?
21:22 <Avatar> we wouldn't be able to buy it from each other surely?
21:32 <Ballig> we aren't "buying" it
21:38 <Ballig> we're spending that 10 gold in ink and quill etc
21:57 <Avatar> oh
22:02 <Avatar> ohhhhhhhhhhh I get it
22:06 <Avatar> did mekkis say free
22:12 <Ballig> I think I get expeditious and reduce
22:14 <Ballig> but nto feather fall
22:21 <Avatar> I can't take any of your dumb spells
22:30 <Ballig> by "information be free" he means "information be shared"
22:36 <Ballig> I could, for example, refuse to share my spellbook with you
22:41 <Ballig> for my own selfish Cheliax reasons
22:58 <Avatar> I have every spell you have anyway, minus the ones I can't take
23:27 <Avatar> aren't you levelling up?
23:31 <Ballig> yeah
23:33 <Thelen> heh
23:37 <Avatar> what spells are you choosing
23:40 <Avatar> I'll get 2 and you get 2 others
23:51 <Ballig> mm
23:52 <Avatar> don't get enchantment or necromancy
23:53 <Mekkis> and both parties consent!
23:57 <Ballig> pretty sure we don't level until we get the chronicle sheet
24:19 <Avatar> I don't think that matters does it
24:36 <Ballig> I think it would if it came down to it
25:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> so if it matters it does otherwise it doesn't?
25:25 <Ballig> Avatar: one of my two spells HAS to be enchantment
25:27 <Ballig> because I'm a specialist
25:35 <Ballig> same as one of your two has to be transmutation
25:37 <Avatar> no it doesn't, where does it say that
25:51 <Ballig> The two free spells must 
25:51 <Ballig> be of spell levels he can cast. If he has chosen to specialize 
25:51 <Ballig> in  a  school  of  magic,  one  of  the  two  free  spells  must  be 
25:51 <Ballig> from his specialty school.
26:06 <Spaceshot_tm2> two free spells?
26:08 <Avatar> shit
26:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Avatar_firstSteps3.pdf
26:12 <Ballig> for levelling
26:24 <Thelen> Mekkis use code man
26:30 <Spaceshot_tm2> ahh
26:31 <Avatar> okay well just pick one that isn't
26:31 <Ballig> kind of screws me a little, the core rulebook has no more enchantment spells at level 1
26:34 <Mekkis> what do you mean, Thelen?
26:38 <Thelen> for each players in player { ....pdf}
26:39 <Thelen> lol
26:51 <Thelen> just being silly
26:51 <Avatar> that's fucked man
26:57 <Avatar> surely if there are none left you can choose something else
27:01 <Ballig> dunno
27:08 <Ballig> the rules as written doesn't give you that option
27:08 <Avatar> do it and change it later
27:18 <Ballig> I can check other books though
27:20 <Avatar> if you find out otherwise
27:22 <Mekkis> Thelen, I have a shell script to turn a PDF into an SVG, then to change the fonts of the SVG to correspond to my system's fonts, then to convert the SVG to a new PDF
27:32 <Thelen> XD
27:35 <Mekkis> and you're telling me to also get it to do that?!
27:47 <Mekkis> any headway with the IPv6 routes?
27:57 <Ballig> the ultimate magic spell list doesn't tell you the school on the index
28:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> can't you take spells from APG/ultimate magic even if you aren't going to use it?
28:10 <Mekkis> Ballig, 22876-3, right?
28:14 <Avatar> yeah of course you can
28:17 <Ballig> -2 I think, let me double check
28:25 <Avatar> yeah pretty sure it's -2
28:29 <Thelen> hha
28:36 <Thelen> uhm monday when ipv6 techs come back
28:44 <Thelen> feel free to do w/e u want with the server
28:52 <Ballig> 22876-2
29:06 <Mekkis> day job, Ballig?
29:22 <Ballig> !throw 1d20+9 craft alchemy
29:23 <diebot> Ballig, craft alchemy: [1d20=2] 11
29:25 <Ballig> awesome
29:26 <Mekkis> yay
29:26 <Ballig> like 1 gold
29:29 <Mekkis> 5gp
29:47 <Mekkis> or is it 1?
30:28 <Ballig> dunno
30:30 <Ballig> I was only guessing at 1
30:42 <Brunius> 10 or more is 5 IIRC
30:43 <Ballig> it's 5gp
30:48 <Brunius> 5-10 is 1
30:53 <Brunius> less than 5 is nothing!
30:59 <Ballig> I can take Unprepared Combatant, it's -4 to initiative and reflex saves
31:28 <Brunius> wtf?
31:30 <Mekkis> Ballig, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Ballig_firstSteps3.pdf
31:50 <Mekkis> sorry
31:57 <Mekkis> get it now
32:12 <Thelen> if you want more upload
32:18 <Thelen> i can get 10/10Mbit for $200/mo
32:21 <Thelen> unmetered
32:27 <Ballig> thanks
32:29 <Thelen> $900 setup though :/
32:50 <Ballig> damn, we missed a wand of magic missile
33:59 <Ballig> I have 814.9 gold to spend
34:15 <Ballig> Mekkis: doesn't my two new spells need to be on the sheet
35:56 <Avatar> when were we going to use magic missile
36:51 <Ballig> well, if we didn't get blinded it could have turned the tide of battle!
37:17 <Avatar> yeah but we did
37:26 <Avatar> funny thing was, I looked over at the last second
37:40 <Avatar> duh, what? BANG
38:19 <Ballig> haha
40:48 <tristen> gawd yeah it don't matter which way you cut it - that last scene was bad news
41:05 <tristen> hey did we cash in that wand clw?
41:17 <Ballig> yeah you automatically cash in all of that stuff at the end of a scenario
41:23 <Ballig> the society takes it all off you
41:33 <Ballig> even the cold weather outfits we took off corpses
41:37 <tristen> soz you probly went over it, but did anything +ve come outta that?
42:28 <Ballig> Bungle seems like a useful enchantment spell
42:40 <Ballig> target takes -20 on its next attack or check involving a d20
43:02 <Ballig> tristen: out of what? we got gold and prestige and experience
43:09 <tristen> k
43:20 <tristen> yeah that failure thing we did
45:06 <tristen> gawd that pub scene kills me
45:08 <Ballig> the spells not showing you their school unless you go check out the full description is kind of irritating
45:51 <Ballig> tristen: a lot of it came down to bad luck. if mellon or I hadn't been blinded, or if mellon or I had a higher initiative roll, or if we'd randomly chosen another spot, etc
46:16 <tristen> yeah the rolls sucked - that was the worst
46:27 <tristen> making our other mistakes seem bigger than they were i think...
46:36 <tristen> still
46:37 <Avatar> tristen: we got 2 prestige anyway
46:43 <tristen> guarding the exits
46:48 <tristen> barring the door even
46:50 <tristen> maybe...
46:52 <Avatar> we get a different ending if we succeed, but that's it
46:55 <Thelen> well
46:56 <tristen> yep
46:58 <Avatar> which is a very exceptional thing in PFS
46:59 <Thelen> i think my talking to the barkeep
47:01 <Thelen> would have helped
47:01 <Ballig> well, guarding the exits only becomes a viable strategy if you believe betrayal was the likely encounter
47:03 <Avatar> usually you lose prestige
47:05 <Thelen> he signaled them i think
47:14 <Ballig> we chose to guard against a different encounter, and we chose wrong
47:31 <Avatar> I believe guarding exits is an excellent strategy in a building like that
47:33 <Ballig> the signal was the breaking glass
47:36 <tristen> yeah - like we said - a combat map generally says "somethings gonna hit the fan"
47:37 <Thelen> yup
47:39 <Avatar> regardless of possibility of betrayal
47:48 <Ballig> well, I don't think that's true Avatar
47:52 <Thelen> we should have positioned better
47:54 <Thelen> we had 5 chars
48:00 <Thelen> even being spread out
48:03 <Ballig> we went over that - if we're guarding against potential combatants among the bar's patrons
48:09 <tristen> yeah the breaking glass/blindness thing was instantaneous
48:12 <Ballig> wasting people to guard the door just in case one of them flees is putting the rest of us at risk
48:20 <Avatar> but it's not, because they can move to flank
48:26 <Avatar> they could move to flank *anyone in the bar*
48:27 <Thelen> yep
48:28 <Ballig> sure, you can position better, /if/ you're actively expecting a betrayal
48:32 <Ballig> we were actively expecting an ambush
48:36 <Thelen> yea true
48:40 <tristen> aye
48:42 <Thelen> but pisitionally
48:47 <Thelen> being next to the doors
48:50 <Thelen> is what we wanted anyway
48:56 <Ballig> not really
48:58 <tristen> lol pisitionally
49:02 <Ballig> we had no reason to believe that someone would try and flee
49:10 <Thelen> pisitroniumly
49:14 <tristen> i stuffed up too
49:20 <Thelen> mmm yea
49:22 <tristen> i should have let rip with that arrow
49:22 <Thelen> hard to say
49:25 <Ballig> and getting into flank position is great if you aren't letting them get to your two arcane casters first
49:30 <tristen> even though it was -4 around the corner
49:39 <Thelen> well the main problem is their speed
49:40 <Ballig> and they don't get flank if your arcane casters aren't meleeing
49:42 <Thelen> and proximity to water
49:48 <Avatar> one of the door guards could've been a caster
49:52 <Thelen> so in retrospect
49:52 <Avatar> it doesn't have to be 2 fighters
49:55 <Avatar> it's better if it's not
49:56 <Thelen> knowing they were water folk
49:59 <Thelen> we should have expected it
50:06 <Ballig> Avatar: no way
50:09 <tristen> bloody water folk
50:12 <Thelen> yea door guards be the casters
50:12 <Ballig> anyone in the bar could easily get to them and kill them
50:18 <tristen> i'll never trust another water folk again
50:19 <Thelen> and close to them fighters
50:20 <Ballig> the point was the fighters were protecting the casters from the bar patrons
50:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> brunius, is the game worth downloading it?
50:57 <Ballig> imagine there were 4 hostile bar patrons in the room waiting to attack you
51:02 <Avatar> I don't think we should have expected a betrayal, I didn't see that coming and there was no real indication of that
51:05 <Ballig> the first thing they'd do is single out the caster that is standing by the door
51:11 <Thelen> yea but how
51:14 <Thelen> they weren't close to them
51:15 <Ballig> I didn't expect a betrayal
51:22 <tristen> i beg to differ - i think we should have expected a betrayal for sure
51:24 <Ballig> I assumed the society wouldn't send you off with an artifact without being sure it was a legitimate trade
51:30 <tristen> true
51:34 <Thelen> well we don't know the outcome yet
51:35 <Thelen> do we?
51:39 <Ballig> we do
51:46 <Thelen> did i miss it?
51:49 <Ballig> venture captain dreng blames himself more than he blames us
51:52 <Ballig> but he's disappointed anyway
51:54 <Thelen> i thought it would be in next mission
52:02 <Thelen> mmm
52:07 <Ballig> that was the end of that line of missions
52:08 <Thelen> yea its impossible to tell then
52:27 <tristen> yeah - is there a broader impact in the game world cos of that?
52:35 <Ballig> anyway, I think you have to ignore positioning
52:35 <tristen> diplomatic nightmare and all that?
52:38 <Thelen> i assumed it was part of a bigger plot
52:48 <Ballig> there's no impact from our actions
52:53 <Thelen> yea i think positioning was less relevant
52:57 <Thelen> than the rolls
52:58 <Ballig> but there are ongoing story arcs with the consortium
53:09 <Ballig> well, positioning is relevant, it's just impossible to know exactly what to position against
53:18 <Ballig> so that was a random chance, and we chose the wrong thing to guard
53:25 <tristen> yeah
53:33 <Ballig> so ignoring positioning, you take into account that botht he arcane casters were blinded
53:39 <Ballig> which was some pretty bad luck
53:41 <Thelen> ya
53:45 <Avatar> fucking 1's
53:53 <Ballig> and that the casters didn't get a higher initiative so they couldn't colour spray before the enemy moved
53:55 <tristen> and two players, er, greased
53:58 <Thelen> its just apart of the randomness
54:03 <Avatar> the initiative probably didn't mean much, really
54:05 <Thelen> its the one thing that annoys me
54:06 <Ballig> it did
54:07 <Thelen> about RPGs
54:09 <Ballig> if I had +4 initiative we would've won
54:12 <Thelen> u don't know either to expect calm
54:13 <Thelen> or battle
54:17 <Avatar> I don't think we would have won
54:19 <Ballig> yes
54:25 <Avatar> I think you would have just still been blind
54:27 <Ballig> I would have gone before the aztali
54:30 <Ballig> I would have colour sprayed him
54:31 <tristen> plus we must have failed perception checks too
54:32 <Ballig> he would have been unconscious
54:33 <Thelen> yea
54:35 <tristen> prior to the blinding?
54:37 <Ballig> being blind doesn't matter
54:38 <Thelen> he wouldn't have gotten away
54:41 <Ballig> I can cast while blind
54:44 <Ballig> I just face where he was
54:46 <Ballig> because he /hasn't moved yet/
54:48 <Ballig> because I won initiative
54:55 <Ballig> colour spray isn't targeted
54:56 <Ballig> it's a cone
55:06 <tristen> what as in traffic?
55:08 <Ballig> it's like firing a flame thrower in the direction someone was at when you were blinded
55:12 <Ballig> if they haven't moved yet, you fuck them over
55:58 <tristen> yeah in retrospect you reckon you shoulda let rip with that?
56:04 <Ballig> I couldn't
56:10 <Ballig> he won initiative, he moved
56:12 <Thelen> he just means if he had better int
56:15 <Ballig> I was blind, I had no idea where he went
56:16 <tristen> oh soz 
56:26 <Ballig> but /if/ I had won initiative :p
56:30 <tristen> yeah i thought you had init
56:32 <tristen> no worries
56:33 <tristen> ok
56:38 <Ballig> you know, with that feat Avatar always says is useless ;)
56:53 <tristen> well i think we've analysed that to death
56:55 <Ballig> so now I will forever use this encounter as example of how improved initiative can win the game
57:00 <Thelen> HEHE
57:01 <Avatar> tristen: agreed
57:11 <Thelen> i like the basics of DnD
57:16 <Avatar> Ballig: you'd have to metagame to do that
57:18 <Thelen> but i think the missions are all too hard :/
57:21 <Ballig> to do what
57:39 <Avatar> "he hasn't moved because he rolled a lower init! I know Exactly Where He Is!"
57:42 <Ballig> er
57:45 <Ballig> no
57:48 <Ballig> it's metagaming /not/ to
57:59 <tristen> thelen: we're not dead though - so not too hard
58:01 <Avatar> explain that one out
58:05 <Ballig> if I was going to be completely free of metagaming, I should have wasted the spell because there's no way I could know he's already moved
58:08 <Ballig> unless, you know, I /heard him running/
58:18 <Thelen> well depends what death means
58:21 <Avatar> well we could've used perception checks the entire time
58:26 <Avatar> but it's a busy tavern that's just erupted in commotion
58:26 <Ballig> right
58:27 <Thelen> im used to 1game RPG
58:30 <Ballig> but my point is it's metagaming not to have cast
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58:34 <Ballig> I should have cast anyway
59:07 <tristen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
59:15 <tristen> is that what you're refering to all the time?
59:18 <Ballig> yeah
59:27 <Ballig> basically it's using player knowledge to determine how your character will act
59:32 <Thelen> heh
59:33 <Thelen> yea
59:35 <Thelen> but
59:39 <Thelen> at some points its impossible not to
59:46 <Thelen> its like sixth sense
00:09 <tristen> right
00:33 <snypt> metagaming makes bad things happen
00:43 <Ballig> it can be really hard not to
00:53 <tristen> like having an int of 6 and making too clever a decision?
00:54 <Ballig> like I said, to completely avoid metagaming, I should have wasted my spell
00:57 <Avatar> I actually found it easy to metagame blindness
01:03 <Ballig> even though I know he wasn't there anymore, my character didn't really have any reason to know that
01:06 <Ballig> and should have blasted away
01:07 <Avatar> I'll admit I didn't think "I'll use my hearing to tell where he is"
01:13 <Ballig> but it's really hard to make yourself waste a resource like that
01:19 <Avatar> although I don't really think that's a very reliable tactic for a supersmart wizard like moi
01:24 <tristen> yeah isn't it just a massive -ve on the to-hit roll?
01:31 <Avatar> to render everyone in the room unconscious
01:36 <Ballig> colour spray isnt' targeted
01:39 <Ballig> you just have to face the way you want it to go
01:44 <Ballig> if they are there, they are hit
01:45 <Avatar> yeah exactly
01:50 <Avatar> so I would hit half the room
01:57 <Avatar> hell, between us, we'd get a good lot of the tavern
02:00 <Ballig> I would have aimed half of it at the wall
02:05 <Avatar> maybe THAT'S what we should have done
02:06 <Ballig> yeah but not the guy we were after
02:08 <Avatar> blindness shmindness
02:11 <Ballig> because he was covered by a corner
02:31 <tristen> yeah letting fly with the cone whilst blinded was really only an option in retrospect
02:36 <Thelen> mmm
02:40 <Thelen> part of the thing is
02:42 <Thelen> IRC/skype
02:45 <Thelen> not IRL
02:48 <Ballig> nah, I knew at the time it was what I wanted to do
02:50 <Ballig> but he won initiative
02:53 <Ballig> so it would have been a wasted spell
03:00 <Ballig> I should have done it anyway in the spirit of not metagaming
03:04 <Thelen> you really need to get more in character
03:05 <tristen> yep
03:06 <Ballig> but I couldn't bring myself to waste the resource, so I did detect magic instead
03:15 <Thelen> Mekkis is kindof right in saying we spend too much time thinking
03:21 <Thelen> *BUT* with 'hard' missions, that is more required
03:38 <Ballig> well
03:45 <Ballig> Mekkis has the benefit of knowing how much thought is required to defeat an encounter
03:45 <Ballig> we don't
03:52 <Ballig> so we have to assume all possible encounters are dangerous and hard
03:57 <tristen> thelen: yeah we were discussing this
04:06 <Ballig> we could have spent less time on the mountain, and more time on the last encounter
04:11 <Ballig> but we don't know ahead of time which one is harder than the other
04:15 <tristen> when we see a map with a grid: start thinking
04:28 <tristen> otherwise: just roleplay
04:30 <tristen> i think
04:32 <tristen> ...
04:38 <Ballig> that's metagaming :p
04:41 <tristen> lol
04:42 <Avatar> that might actually work
04:43 <Ballig> and there was a grid on the mountain
04:47 <Avatar> it's metagaming in the interests of a speedier game
04:51 <Ballig> the caravan was even marked out for us
05:01 <tristen> was it a grid on the mountain?
05:02 <Ballig> we had every right to think it might be an ambush
05:04 <Ballig> yeah
05:08 <tristen> i thought it was just a few squiggles
05:16 <Ballig> the grid was there, there was just no pre-made map
05:23 <Avatar> yeah uh
05:28 <Avatar> in LSK I used to draw maps for every single area
05:35 <tristen> yeah that's what i meant: a map/image thing with a grid :D
05:36 <Ballig> background images is only recent, in fact
05:41 <Avatar> that would be completely unreliable
05:41 <Ballig> LSK started before you could use background images
06:00 <Ballig> but using background images as your measure would be even /more/ metagaming :p
06:12 <tristen> ballig: yeah it might be metagaming, but it doesn't piss the gm off
06:19 <Ballig> it's hard not to do, the second you see it you think "potential combat situation"
06:30 <Ballig> but combat situations aren't the only encounters that require thought
06:53 <Thelen> tristen yea but with skype we have a 'player' back channel
07:00 <Thelen> it helps incrase metagaming for brevity
07:02 <Ballig> skype actually speeds t hings up
07:11 <Ballig> when we played the game entirely in IRC our planning used to take much longer
07:12 <Thelen> oh vs irc sur
07:17 <Thelen> but i mean vs IRL
07:37 <Ballig> I don't know that IRL would speed it up much
07:38 <Thelen> but thats my point
07:40 <Ballig> not this amount of planning
07:41 <Thelen> we need to get into character more
07:52 <Ballig> I was in character !
07:56 <Ballig> I refused to let that bartender rip us off
08:01 <Thelen> no i mean in skype
08:08 <Ballig> you want to talk in voices?
08:09 <Ballig> that's just weird
08:11 <Thelen> no...
08:17 <Thelen> i think we need no player backchanell
08:20 <Avatar> I think it depends who you play with
08:22 <Thelen> but chacter backchannel yes
08:24 <Ballig> what's a player backchannel
08:24 <Thelen> oh ofc
08:26 <Avatar> there's no difference between skype and RL
08:28 <tristen> ballig: yeah you can tell it's in character because it's stressful
08:33 <tristen> :)
08:41 <Thelen> maybe you'v eplayed different RPGs to me
08:51 <Ballig> is player backchannel a thing
08:55 <Thelen> yea
08:59 <Ballig> is it a thing you made up
09:02 <Thelen> u chat in character
09:11 <Ballig> do you want to chat in character on skype?
09:14 <Thelen> idk if i can explain it
09:25 <Thelen> well im just saying thats a way of metagaming, without metagamin
09:26 <Ballig> you have to be careful about that kind of thing
09:31 <Ballig> if you have a discussion in character, mekkis counts time
09:35 <Ballig> and makes things happen if you take too long
09:39 <Ballig> like being attacked etc
09:48 <Thelen> sure
09:56 <Thelen> but only if u metagame
10:03 <tristen> hmmm
10:08 <Ballig> no
10:10 <Ballig> not only if you metagame
10:20 <Thelen> im just advocating we immerse even more
10:23 <Ballig> if you have in-character discussions, he makes in-game time continue, and things potentially happen for not acting :p
10:26 <Thelen> well true, but then, shit happens
10:27 <Ballig> you also have to consider the sound you make
10:30 <Thelen> yes
10:32 <Ballig> and people in-game overhearing
10:32 <Ballig> etc
10:34 <Thelen> but thats 'real';
10:45 <Ballig> that makes the game harder
10:51 <Thelen> sure
10:52 <Ballig> you're expected to be seasoned adventurers, probably have adventured together before
10:54 <Thelen> make the missions easier
10:58 <Ballig> that's what being able to discuss things out of character symbolises
11:04 <Ballig> that knowledge, familiarity, and expertise in the field
11:06 <Thelen> well its a balance
11:11 <Ballig> remove that and the game is harder
11:25 <Thelen> idk
11:27 <Avatar> do you mean plan in-character
11:32 <Ballig> because really you're a public servant who works in an office all day but now you're expected to understand yourself just what spell a 20 intelligence wizard would cast to overcome a kobold druid
11:33 <Thelen> yesish
11:37 <Thelen> i can only go by my experiences
11:51 <Thelen> nonoonono
11:55 <Thelen> im not saying 100% in char
12:00 <Thelen> just switch from 10% in char to 50%
12:05 <Thelen> atm we're literally 90% metagaming
12:11 <Ballig> that isn't metagaming
12:17 <Ballig> it's just player discussion
12:25 <Ballig> player discussion isn't metagaming until you act on it without proper game evidence
12:29 <Thelen> pearl perl
12:34 <Thelen> true
12:39 <Thelen> but do u get what im saying?
12:46 <Ballig> like we can discuss what it was that someone just saw up on the ridge 50 feet above us
12:53 <Ballig> and if someone acts on that knowledge before the character points it out, then it's metagaming
13:01 <tristen> wait i thought there was a whole practicality thing going on
13:02 <Thelen> yea
13:05 <tristen> discuss via voice
13:07 <Ballig> I get what you're saying but it will actually make things /harder/
13:08 <Ballig> rather than easier
13:11 <tristen> commit via irc
13:26 <Thelen> Ballig yes it will
13:27 <tristen> i quite like that arrangement
13:33 <Ballig> why are you suggesting we make things harder
13:37 <Ballig> weren't you just complaining about the difficulty
13:37 <Ballig> :p
13:48 <Thelen> but i think it would make things more organised
13:57 <Ballig> see, one of the problems I've had with RL gaming is when the DM takes something you say as being in-character
13:58 <Ballig> when really it isn't
14:03 <Ballig> and I think what you're suggesting encourages that
14:06 <Thelen> oh i agree
14:08 <Ballig> I remember once in a game Jerub was running, we were in the underdark
14:11 <Ballig> I made reference to uhm
14:15 <Ballig> "those gnomes" or something like that
14:16 <Thelen> i've played games
14:17 <Ballig> because I forgot what they were
14:18 <Thelen> where u hold up a flag
14:20 <Thelen> when ur inchar
14:23 <Ballig> he thought I said it in character, they attacke dme because they were dark dwarves
14:29 <Avatar> haha
14:31 <Avatar> good old jerub
14:35 <Thelen> hahahaaha
14:38 <Ballig> it's like what, I was talking out of character
14:43 <Ballig> he didn't care, they still attacked :p
14:48 <Thelen> yea stupid DM
14:50 <Avatar> yeah and by then it was too late
14:51 <Ballig> the way we do it, it's clear that anything in skype is OOC
14:58 <Avatar> jerub works at google now
14:58 <tristen> (or a pissed-off dm)
14:58 <Thelen> yea
15:02 <Avatar> did you know that
15:06 <Ballig> ha I didn't know that
15:09 <Thelen> :/
15:10 <Ballig> that's pretty good
15:15 <Ballig> google is a good employer from what I've heard
15:15 <Avatar> that's fucking hardcore
15:16 <Ballig> get him to get you a job
15:20 <Avatar> that is like my dream workplace
15:22 <Thelen> google is average
15:25 <Thelen> u *need* to work
15:29 <Thelen> u can't bludge
15:31 <Avatar> yeah man I'll work 
15:37 <Avatar> that is a v.small price to pay
15:42 <Ballig> yeah but I've heard that they reward you fairly well for it
15:44 <Thelen> as in be smart
15:50 <tristen> avatar: that's no kind of attitude
15:50 <Ballig> oh, then Avatar is out
15:51 <Ballig> sorry man
15:53 <Thelen> :D
16:02 <tristen> :D
16:04 <Thelen> the average IQ at google is something like 120
16:10 <Ballig> IQ doesn't mean much though
16:14 <Thelen> ofc not
16:19 <Thelen> but it does for that sort of job
16:22 <Ballig> I don't even have the attention span to finish an IQ test anymore
16:26 <Ballig> not since I was like 14
16:27 <Thelen> lol
16:58 <Thelen> anyway
17:13 <Thelen> going back to it
17:28 <Thelen> i think we need more structure
17:29 <Ballig> back to what
17:33 <Avatar> he got an OP 1 in school
17:35 <Thelen> metagaming etc
17:35 <Ballig> there's heaps of structure !
17:40 <tristen> look i don't think anything needs changing
17:45 <Thelen> i mean in decision making
17:45 <Ballig> skype is OOC, IRC is IC
17:50 <tristen> skype: out of character, irc: in character
17:51 <Thelen> basically skype = take turns
17:55 <Avatar> that's top of the line if you're not familiar with qld's grading
18:00 <Avatar> I don't know how VCE works
18:09 <Thelen> op1 = high distinction
18:13 <Thelen> ie top 2%
18:24 <Avatar> yep
18:31 <Thelen> i got... 85
18:36 <tristen> thelen: do you feel you need to have more "verbal" input?
18:43 <Thelen> which i think is top 10%
18:45 <Thelen> well
18:46 <Thelen> yes and no
18:48 <Ballig> I didn't finish high school
19:08 <Thelen> there is obviously a skill gap, and part of that plays a roll
19:22 <Thelen> but i think players ought to be more equal in their say
19:27 <Thelen> to make a more balanced game
19:28 <Avatar> yeah I agree
19:32 <Thelen> *but*
19:34 <Thelen> it can be a problem
19:34 <Ballig> somre more interaction IC isn't a bad thing
19:36 <Thelen> if players are slow
19:42 <Ballig> I just don't think it should be in the way you're suggesting
19:44 <Avatar> I try to get other people involved where possible
19:45 <Thelen> so perhaps expierment
19:53 <Avatar> I don't like it when players sit in the background for too long
19:53 <Thelen> man idk how to do it, i never DMd
19:57 <Thelen> yea
20:01 <Thelen> i feel u let me coast :/
20:02 <Ballig> yeah Jaggedsoul is like that
20:07 <Thelen> partly cos its over the net
20:07 <Ballig> I swear he doesn't even pay attention in combat :p
20:10 <Thelen> so i cando other things
20:13 <Ballig> nah it's because you're new
20:17 <Thelen> that too
20:27 <Thelen> but thats the thing u get IRL
20:34 <Ballig> you raped in the game we played last weekend though
20:37 <Thelen> :D
20:40 <Thelen> 3kills ftw
20:52 <Ballig> I felt like /I/ was coasting last game
20:55 <tristen> hell yeah "carvin' marvin"
21:09 <Thelen> simpsons> glavin havin mavin hmmmmm
21:13 <Thelen> :D
21:13 <tristen> clerics suck though
21:16 <Ballig> flubber
21:24 <Thelen> yummmy
21:26 <Ballig> clerics are almost necessary sometimes
21:30 <Ballig> he was just useless last game
21:34 <tristen> yeah as npcs maybe
21:38 <Ballig> I think we lost like 2hp whole scenario
21:42 <tristen> "first-aid dispensers"
21:49 <Thelen> i think we need a ticket
21:51 <Thelen> ticker*
21:55 <Ballig> ha
21:57 <tristen> there's the ticket again
22:04 <Thelen> large tickets
22:05 <Thelen> :D
22:06 <Ballig> put a 120 second timer on decisions?
22:12 <Ballig> like a game of competitive chess
22:19 <Thelen> well im not sure of format
22:24 <tristen> pffft nah, part of it is a new team
22:28 <Avatar> I think 120 seconds is a bit short
22:32 <Ballig> ha
22:33 <tristen> it'll pan out
22:38 <tristen> seriously
22:39 <Ballig> we can try it, informally, between ourselves
22:44 <Avatar> maybe 300 seconds
22:47 <Ballig> I wouldn't suggest encouragingment by the DM thoug
22:48 <Thelen> just a little more formality
22:49 <Ballig> +h
22:54 <tristen> we don't bicker or anything, we're doing fine
22:59 <Thelen> as in
23:00 <Ballig> I think as players if we say "we need to make a decision on this in under 5 minutes" that's okay
23:02 <Avatar> yeah we can use it to say okay, we've taken too damn long
23:04 <Thelen> someone proposes a course of action
23:07 <Thelen> we debate for 5 minutes
23:09 <Thelen> then vote on it
23:19 <Ballig> I like that idea
23:19 <Avatar> like
23:21 <Thelen> its just to try shorten the games
23:21 <Brunius> night yo
23:22 <Avatar> if you have two points of view
23:23 <Ballig> but we should say it from the beginning
23:24 Brunius is now known as Brunius_AFK
23:28 <Avatar> that's 2.5 mins to explain it
23:30 <Thelen> cos atm, they are quite long
23:31 <Avatar> not long at all
23:32 <Ballig> "we are going to decide on the course of action in 5 minutes"
23:41 <Thelen> i agree
23:44 <Brunius_AFK> That's still a long time
23:47 <tristen> lol
23:48 <Ballig> not really
23:49 <Avatar> maybe 1 minute to explain each side and 1 minute to debate on it
23:51 <Ballig> we can take like an hour to do some things
23:56 <Brunius_AFK> Yeah
23:58 <Brunius_AFK> I guess
24:00 <Avatar> gg brunius
24:01 <Brunius_AFK> I must have sleep
24:02 <Brunius_AFK> night yo
24:03 <Thelen> bia bai
24:04 <Ballig> tata
24:12 <tristen> cya!
24:17 <Thelen> some decisions are caused by our noobishness
24:18 <Ballig> but I'd like to stress this isn't a timer that should come from the GM
24:20 <Thelen> but they are usually short
24:26 <Ballig> it should be something the players decide to do to keep the game moving
24:29 <Thelen> yea
24:30 <Avatar> yeah
24:35 <Thelen> 100% player for sure
24:39 <tristen> hmmm
24:43 <tristen> unless it's mekkis
24:44 <Ballig> that way if we make a sloppy decision, we can only blame ourselves
24:47 <Ballig> and not resent the GM for it
25:04 <Ballig> or if we decide that the encounter is actually potentially super dangerous, we can give ourselves longer
25:04 <Thelen> i think it requires 2 parts
25:05 <Avatar> and my 1 minute example is only representative of 2 sides of view with 1 minute of debate for each side
25:07 <Avatar> still not much
25:17 <Thelen> 5 miutes for first debate
25:19 <Avatar> how many options did we have at The  Caravan
25:19 <Thelen> then bell
25:28 <Avatar> like 5 different ways of doing it all
25:31 <Thelen> then we have 5 minutes to finish and tell gm
25:37 <Ballig> not really
25:39 <Ballig> only like 2
25:43 <Ballig> sleep int he caravan or sleep away from it
25:46 <tristen> i do agree on player voting
25:50 <Ballig> then watches
25:52 <tristen> maybe the process should be:
25:58 <tristen> 1. general discussion
26:07 <tristen> 2. each player expresses how they want to do it
26:09 <Ballig> I think people should know ahead of time that if they don't vote, there will be a default (maybe safer?) option
26:13 <tristen> (in turn)
26:13 <Ballig> or their vote won't count at all
26:14 <Thelen> i feel even though im a noob, most of the 'wasted' time is lack of direction of thinking
26:16 <tristen> 3. vote
26:19 <tristen> done
26:24 <Thelen> Ballig yes
26:30 <Thelen> when it is first declared
26:33 <Ballig> and they have like 60 seconds to vote or whatever
26:37 <Thelen> "we have 5 miuites to debate, otherwise, we do, XXXX"
26:39 <Ballig> so people who aren't paying attention don't get a say
26:44 <Ballig> and we don't wait 5 minutes to hear from them
26:47 <Thelen> yea
26:58 <Ballig> (i.e. Jaggedsoul)
26:59 <Thelen> u can make a bot for this
27:06 <Ballig> could probably add it to diebot
27:11 <Ballig> would be pretty easy
27:15 <Thelen> !startvote TIMEFORFIRSTBELL TIMEFOR2NDBELL 
27:19 <Avatar> very easy
27:24 <Avatar> I could probably make it
27:30 <Ballig> do you know TCL
27:33 <tristen> bugger the timeout
27:34 <Ballig> actually, I think it's in ruby
27:35 <Ballig> do you know ruby
27:42 <Thelen> then say 15s before TIMEFOR2NDBELL people say !vote y or n
27:45 <Avatar> speaking of which, Mekkis: adding conditions to diebot would be super handy
27:52 <Ballig> conditions?
27:56 <Avatar> "blinded"
28:00 <Avatar> "entangled"
28:01 <Ballig> ahh
28:04 <Ballig> a glossary
28:05 <Thelen> good idea
28:10 <Ballig> yeah that'd be good
28:13 <Thelen> !condition blinded
28:15 <Ballig> easier to do than spells and he's done spells
28:17 <Avatar> the kinds of rules you always forget and need to have here
28:26 <Thelen> !skill acrobatics (shows the roll etc)
28:34 <Thelen> yea
28:48 <Thelen> man but ignore all this if im imposing, fuck im new :D
28:51 <Ballig> !spell color spray
28:56 <Thelen> its ur group
28:59 <Ballig> he needs a !help function too
29:08 <Thelen> !spell color-spray
29:09 <Ballig> nah man, we're always happy for feedback and suggestions
29:10 <Avatar> !help will never get put in
29:17 <Thelen> s/ /-/g
29:28 <Ballig> we may not always agree, and sometimes that's because we've been here longer and know things that just won't work
29:32 <tristen> starting to smell like a new gui :)
29:37 <Ballig> but we're never going to think we're perfect
29:38 <Thelen> mmm
29:41 <Ballig> except for Avatar but that's because he's a jerk
29:41 <Thelen> new gui :D
29:44 <Thelen> ofc
29:46 <Avatar> your the jerk
29:55 <Thelen> Avatar be the kingus-jerkus-da-firstus
30:03 <Avatar> Thelen: whose side are you on anyway
30:05 <Ballig> Thelen, tristen: open CA
30:10 <tristen> k
30:11 <Thelen> Avatar urs baby always urs
30:12 <Ballig> check the About dialogue
30:19 <Avatar> well alright then
30:29 <Ballig> help -> about
30:36 <Thelen> HAHAHAHAHAHAAH
30:42 <Thelen> that is epic
30:49 <Avatar> that's like ballig's landmark feature of CA
30:51 <Avatar> the about dialog
30:53 <Thelen> hey Ballig on a seriouis note, do the rest of DnD universe know about CA?
31:13 <Ballig> one other group does
31:18 <Ballig> because their DM used to play here
31:19 <Thelen> or RPG community in general?
31:21 <Avatar> for reasons I don't understand, I think maptools is still better known
31:29 <Thelen> ah there is other proggys?
31:32 <tristen> gah the last thing i can read is
31:33 <Thelen> i expected as much
31:33 <Ballig> yeah
31:38 <Thelen> still, nice one
31:40 <Avatar> CA is superior to maptools
31:42 <Thelen> why not use maptools?
31:46 <Avatar> we did once
31:46 <Ballig> it's bloated
31:47 <tristen> "many thanks go to my fellow gamers"
31:48 <Thelen> does paizo support CA?
31:49 <Avatar> it was hilarious
31:53 <Avatar> players can move their own counters
31:58 <Ballig> haha
32:01 <Avatar> my man danced around the 4 orcs we came across
32:03 <Ballig> Avatar was moving his counter all over the place
32:04 <Thelen> XD
32:04 <Avatar> before we went into combat
32:21 <Avatar> it has inbuilt chat and everything
32:24 <Ballig> yeah
32:27 <Ballig> and a dice roller
32:27 <Thelen> Ballig man u needa get this thing publicised and charable!
32:27 <Ballig> etc
32:31 <tristen> "i wanna be here. no here. wait there. ok here"
32:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> can't you turn off player's being able to use models?
32:35 <Ballig> what's charable
32:37 <Avatar> one of the better things it had that CA doesn't is that you can move the background
32:37 <Thelen> offer free version, say 4 connected
32:41 <Thelen> then paid version, 5+
32:43 <Ballig> haha
32:47 <Ballig> I couldn't do that
32:48 <Ballig> I'd feel bad
32:49 <Avatar> holy shit, hang on
32:54 <Thelen> its fair enough
32:54 <Avatar> can you make it so you can move a jpg
32:55 <tristen> what it ain't open source?
32:59 <Avatar> by dragging it
33:01 <Thelen> most ppl play 4
33:08 <Ballig> Avatar: what you're talking about is scrollbars
33:14 <Thelen> but anyone wanting massive games (read, the professional groups), pays
33:15 <Avatar> whatever
33:17 <Ballig> just size the program smaller than the grid
33:22 <Thelen> MMM
33:22 <Ballig> and move the scrollbars to check the rest of it
33:29 <Avatar> but I mean
33:29 <Thelen> but yea, add external URI for the background
33:34 <Ballig> yeah
33:37 <Avatar> the jpg and the grid are on separate layers
33:41 <Ballig> I'm implementing Mekkis' blast radii and cones first
33:43 <Avatar> move one, the other stays static
33:47 <Ballig> there are some GUI issues to sort out, a few bugs
34:05 <Ballig> Avatar: hmm
34:11 <Ballig> Avatar: as a GM? or as a player?
34:14 <Avatar> as a GM of course
34:22 <Ballig> write it down in your feature file
34:29 <Ballig> it's a useful suggestion
34:30 <Avatar> man I abandoned that feature file
34:33 <Avatar> do you remember the name of it
34:37 <Ballig> no
34:41 <Ballig> it was in the same directory as CA though
34:49 <Avatar> here we go, ca-issues.txt
35:10 <Ballig> being able to offset the background image will make lining up the grids easier
35:15 <Avatar> the minor bug listed here still exists
35:21 <Avatar> it's the tab numbering/naming problem
35:27 <Ballig> yeah that's because I dont' consider it a bug
35:28 <Avatar> how old is this file
35:35 <Avatar> are you going to fix it
35:39 <Thelen> Ballig u got a wiki/bug thingy for CA?
35:40 <Avatar> if not I'll just remove it
35:44 <Ballig> nope
35:50 <Thelen> make one :D
35:53 <Ballig> don't remove it, but it's a feature request not a bug
36:25 <Avatar> how hard is it to set up a wiki
36:32 <Thelen> easy
36:32 <Ballig> I imagine it's pretty easy
36:36 <Ballig> what would it be used for
36:41 <Avatar> bug tracking
36:47 <Thelen> bug tracking and feature requests
37:01 <Ballig> do you have a suggestion for a framework to use for it
37:05 <Ballig> or should I just google
37:16 <Avatar> mr. framework
37:16 <Thelen> depends on what ur format u like it
37:17 <Thelen> is
37:23 <Ballig> php
37:23 <Thelen> there is about 5 different formats
37:28 <Thelen> no
37:32 <Thelen> for recording things
37:34 <Avatar> mediawiki or something
37:36 <Ballig> oh
37:43 <Thelen> ie do u want a list
37:54 <Ballig> I'm not even the one wanting a wiki!
37:55 <Thelen> how do u want the bugs displayed
37:55 <Ballig> :p
37:56 <Thelen> etc
38:00 <Thelen> well w/e
38:06 <Avatar> what
38:08 <Ballig> but if you give me examples of well-respected frameworks, I can take a look at them
38:11 <Ballig> and see which one fits best
38:16 <Thelen> mediawiki is th ebasic wiki thing
38:19 <Thelen> its the most simplest to setup
38:22 <Avatar> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
38:24 <Thelen> u just edit the page
38:30 <Thelen> like its one big notepad
38:32 <Ballig> that isn't specifically set up for bugtracking though is it
38:34 <Thelen> no
38:43 <Avatar> we dont' need something complex
38:46 <Avatar> or I don't at least
39:46 <Ballig> yeah but if it's set up specifically for software development it'll probably be more intuitive
40:58 <Thelen> heh
41:01 <Avatar> Thelen: do you know of any
43:41 <Avatar> I don't really know of any bugs
43:44 <Thelen> indefero is OK
43:49 <Avatar> whitescreen maybe, but that's useless
43:50 <Thelen> its basic
44:04 <tristen> i thought mantis was the tits?
44:05 <Avatar> whitescreen seems to happen when a map is loading
44:23 <Thelen> mantis more complicated
44:40 <Ballig> Avatar: you know of bugs
44:55 <Ballig> the bug with the lines not working properly if your margins aren't default
45:00 <Avatar> oh yeah
45:03 <Ballig> the bug with grid boxes not always being the right size
45:12 <Ballig> especially if you've set a custom one in preferences before but don't have override on
48:48 <Avatar> holy crap, I didn't realise you could remove the dotted line
49:05 <Avatar> one of my requests was going to be a way to remove the grid on demand
49:07 <Avatar> but there it is
49:08 <Ballig> only locally can't you
49:13 <Avatar> is it?
49:22 <Avatar> I don't know, I've only just discovered it
49:24 <Ballig> well is it in preferences or grid settings
49:25 <Avatar> I would've thought the DM could do it
49:30 <Avatar> preferences
49:34 <Ballig> then it's locally only
49:45 <Avatar> man that should be clearer
49:50 <Avatar> can you add tabs to dialog boxes
50:17 <Avatar> I'll take that as a maybe
50:34 <Ballig> did you seriously just give me 25 seconds to respond to a question
50:45 <Avatar> yes
50:51 <Avatar> I don't really care, I'm putting it down anyway
50:58 <Thelen> hahahaha
51:00 <Ballig> put it down, it won't be super high priority
51:12 <Thelen> ooooh, reverse oh snap
51:17 <Ballig> if there are enough features to require different pages on an options dialogue I will do it
51:19 <Avatar> do you want me to list these in any kind of priority? because I'm not so far
51:26 <Avatar> except major bugs and minor bugs
51:28 <Avatar> but these are just features
51:36 <Ballig> you can list them in your order of what you want most
51:42 <Ballig> but the priority will be set by me
51:46 <Ballig> or mekkis if he particularly wants to add something
51:50 <Avatar> I was listing them in order of how long since they've been there
51:53 <Avatar> newest at the top
52:29 <Ballig> what's at the bottom
52:30 <Thelen> mmmmm
52:43 <Thelen> buttsecks@balligs_place();
52:47 <Ballig> :O
52:51 <Ballig> that's high priority
52:54 <Thelen> :D
53:03 <Avatar> - Middle/right click on tab closes tab/renames tab
53:03 <Avatar> - Middle/right click on tab bar reopens last closed tab
53:03 <Mekkis> Avatar, Add SVG support in there :)
53:12 <Avatar> what's SVG 
53:16 <Thelen> Ballig wuts the interface don eint?
53:18 <Ballig> right click on tab isn't possible I don't think
53:19 <Mekkis> Scalable Vector Craphics
53:22 <Mekkis> Graphics
53:23 <Thelen> done in*
53:28 <Avatar> isn't it
53:32 <Mekkis> hmm
53:36 <Ballig> Qt
53:39 <Thelen> u can right click on tab
53:43 <Avatar> those kinds of features are low priority anyway
53:46 <Avatar> just UX
54:03 <Ballig> for some reason I remember not being able to add a custom context menu or any kind of trigger on right clicking tabs
54:12 <Ballig> I mean, it may be possible, just not in any of the ways I tried
54:14 <Thelen> what gui/lang?
54:20 <Ballig> Qt, C++
54:27 <Thelen> yea man u can
54:36 <Thelen> i have no idea how, but u can
55:03 <Ballig> reopning the last closed tab would be a bit different
55:10 <Ballig> that'd require some kind of temporary save file every time you close a tab
55:33 <Mekkis> you could hook into void	customContextMenuRequested ( const QPoint & pos )
55:54 <Thelen> http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2006-02/thread01471-0.html etc
55:54 <Ballig> I'm sure that would have been the first thing I tried
56:05 <Mekkis> reopening last closed tab shouldn't be that had: just make "close" actually just hide it :S
56:13 <Mekkis> s/had/hard/
56:37 <Mekkis> background image information in cag fles
56:39 <Mekkis> files*
56:48 <Thelen> actually fuck right click, why do we need it again?
56:59 <Ballig> it was in the original version that was made in python
57:00 <Mekkis> shift+click on grid is delete
57:01 <Ballig> I think Avatar got used to it
57:37 <Mekkis> (or have a delete option, for people without right mouse buttons)
57:41 <Ballig> Mekkis: Avatar had a pretty good idea that might end up being a high priority feature addition
57:46 <Ballig> being able to offset the background image
57:51 <Mekkis> ah
58:03 <Ballig> would make lining up to the grid on the image easier
58:09 <Mekkis> I've been playing around with openCL, to try and identify a grid in the image
58:12 <Ballig> wouldn't have to shave or add pixels
58:15 <Avatar> super high priority!
58:18 <Avatar> put that in before bugs are fixed
58:23 <Ballig> ha
58:44 <Avatar> did I mention that's one thing maptools has over CA
58:52 <Avatar> if I did, let me reiterate
58:52 <Mekkis> I don't want to work on much at the moment, to prevent my codebase splitting from Ballig's
59:13 <Mekkis> Avatar, Android support?
59:41 <Avatar> android support is lower priority than draggable backgrounds
59:51 <Avatar> far lower
00:21 <Mekkis> to you maybe
00:36 <Mekkis> but when I get my android tablet, I'll want to run CA on it :P
00:57 <Avatar> yeah but the thing with that is
00:57 <Ballig> I don't think the background will be draggable
00:59 <Ballig> maybe not at first anyway
01:06 <Mekkis> yeah
01:09 <Avatar> tablet android and phone android aren't really the same
01:11 <Mekkis> I suck at GUIs
01:24 <Ballig> in fact, it'll be easier to use if it's a dialogue box
01:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, but cheap android tablets come with phone android OSes
01:32 <Ballig> because you will want to be dragging by pixels, and that's hard
01:38 <Avatar> drawing a grid would be a hell of a lot easier on a touchscreen
01:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, you've obviously never used one
01:56 <Avatar> no easy way to right-click to remove
02:08 <Avatar> I've used my phone
02:12 <Avatar> the biggest problem is the size there
02:15 <Avatar> tablet doesn't have that issue
02:17 <Mekkis> I know: that's my issue at the moment with CA on symbian
02:31 <Mekkis> maybe a way for the client to zoom out
02:46 <Avatar> hey
02:50 <Avatar> if CA was ported to android for tablets
02:58 <Avatar> you could use that at cons right now couldn't you
03:02 <Thelen> hmmm
03:03 <Avatar> or for in-person games
03:06 <Mekkis> maybe
03:15 <Mekkis> I still prefer minis
03:25 <Avatar> you'd need one tablet
03:29 <Avatar> everyone else could use their android phone
03:36 <Avatar> or two tablets across the table
03:39 <Mekkis> If they made a 50" tablet, it'd be good
03:40 <Avatar> or however many
03:49 <Avatar> you don't need a superbig map
04:23 <Mekkis> one reason people go to cons is to show off their painted minis and gold 3d-printed dice
04:35 <Mekkis> you can't do that on a tablet
04:38 <Avatar> thing of the past
04:44 <Avatar> now they'll be showing off CA on their tablets
04:57 <Avatar> connected to the internet to move counters
05:04 <Avatar> times are changing mekkis, you gotta change with it
05:17 <Mekkis> yeah
05:24 <Mekkis> now I use 3d printed minis
05:53 <Avatar> that's still ancient history
05:58 <Avatar> the real mini is in your imagination
06:05 <Avatar> nothing can reproduce that
06:22 <Ballig> Mekkis: my idea was some kind of flexible screen
06:30 <Ballig> that you could attach to a mobile phone, and run a program on it
06:52 <Mekkis> yeah
06:55 <Ballig> I don't think screens can get that flexible really yet
06:56 <Mekkis> would be nice
07:02 <Ballig> there's epaper and something else, but it doesn't seem ideal
07:22 <Avatar> I was putting off buying a tablet, but I'd get one for CA
07:25 <Mekkis> Thelen, what's your character's name and PFS number?
07:28 <Ballig> all right, right clicking the radius button remembers what the current radius size is now
07:30 <Ballig> that confused me at first
07:40 <Mekkis> ah
07:43 <Mekkis> sorry about that
07:57 <Ballig> were cones fully implemented
07:59 <Mekkis> yes
08:04 <Mekkis> that code should do it
08:05 <Ballig> how do you change the direction and size
08:11 <Mekkis> currently?
08:15 <Ballig> yeah in the code you sent
08:25 <Mekkis> using the blast's radius and the triangle's direction
08:31 <Ballig> haha
08:35 <Ballig> that's a bit unintuitive
08:38 <Mekkis> agreed
08:39 <Avatar> cmon man
08:42 <Avatar> LOL
08:50 <Ballig> what about that black out
08:53 <Ballig> that doesn't seem to work properly
08:56 <Mekkis> really?
09:00 <Mekkis> what doesn't it do?
09:05 <Ballig> you can only make it white
09:12 <Ballig> and it doesn't go to the square you click
09:14 <Mekkis> yeah: that's hardcoded
09:16 <Ballig> like you can't fully black out an entire grid
09:31 <Mekkis> not exactly sure the cause of that one
09:48 <Ballig> I'll look at it
09:57 <Ballig> I might try and make it draggable, it's a bit more intuitive
10:03 <Mekkis> yeah, it is
10:12 <Mekkis> not sure how the line drag stuff works
10:21 <Ballig> me either
10:22 <Ballig> ha ha!
10:39 <Ballig> I think it creates that lnDrag item
10:49 <Ballig> and then when you let go it destroys the lnDrag item and creates a real one in its place
10:54 <Mekkis> yeah
11:05 <Mekkis> does it destroy it cleanly
11:22 <Ballig> you made some comment about encouraging memory leaks and added a deletion to that object :p
11:24 <Ballig> so I assume it does now !
11:48 <Mekkis> I'd need to check if CALine allocates any memory it doesn't look at
12:26 <Mekkis> looks alright
12:55 <Ballig> cones look pretty good when you know how to use them
13:00 <Ballig> will have to make a couple of adjustments, but not many
13:12 <Ballig> (it's actually possible to add a cone to the grid that you can't delete)
13:20 <tristen> hey i gotta bail
13:26 <tristen> are there plans for 10am tomorrow?
13:28 <Avatar> gg tristen
13:33 <Avatar> show up and we'll decide
13:38 <Avatar> jaggedsoul might even be here
13:39 <Mekkis> I tried a few algorithms to get the southward-facing cones working, and most of them failed until I did it the simple method
13:40 <Ballig> if we have people we play
13:42 <tristen> okee, cheers i'll cya
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14:05 <Ballig> I'll probably use a similar method to the snap-to-grid lines
14:10 <Ballig> where it snaps to the closest corner
14:35 <Mekkis> draw a radius, then draw the cone edges, then take the intersect
15:03 <Mekkis> I learnt a lot about D&D defined cones while doing that
15:11 <Ballig> haha
16:07 <Mekkis> I've come to the conclusion that the formal definition of a N, S, E or W-facing cone is "What it says in the DMG"
16:32 <Ballig> what does it say in the DMG
16:50 <Mekkis> 3.5e p307 and 308
16:56 <Mekkis> it gives pictures
17:35 <Ballig> I remember seeing pictures
17:56 <Mekkis> the reach pictures are good too
19:48 <Avatar> reach is easy
19:55 <Avatar> wait, isn't it?
20:13 <Mekkis> ok Avatar 
20:20 <Mekkis> a medium character wields a longspear
20:27 <Ballig> nah it gets really confusing
20:29 <Mekkis> does he threaten 2NE?
20:36 <Ballig> yes !
20:48 <Ballig> !throw 2d4
20:48 <diebot> Ballig, 2d4: [2d4=2,3] 5
21:01 <Thelen> im away tomoz till 2pm
21:08 <Thelen> gg hf all
21:12 <Avatar> gg
21:17 <Mekkis> Thelen, what's your character's name and PFS number?
21:25 <Mekkis> I need this information to report
21:25 <Thelen> hitomi
21:41 <Mekkis> and faction if any
21:44 <Thelen> 41790-1
21:48 <Mekkis> (PM it if you want it private
22:00 <Thelen> sexy lad faction
22:03 <Mekkis> ah
22:04 <Thelen> cretis?
22:12 <Mekkis> Paracountess'?
22:16 <Avatar> cheliax
22:17 <Thelen> no
22:20 <Thelen> that
22:27 <Thelen> cheliaxc
22:29 <Ballig> ha, the girl whose lap you sat in?
22:33 <Thelen> yea >)__>
22:36 <Ballig> haha
22:39 <Ballig> Samsuhn is cheliax too
22:39 <Avatar> that is a good way to choose a faction
22:44 <Thelen> she not gurl
22:52 <Thelen> she sex goddess man ;););)
23:11 <Mekkis> when I started DMing PFS, I realised what my Andoran characters were missing out on...
23:13 <Thelen> wut we did when u werein that rooom...
23:27 <Thelen> lol
23:45 <Thelen> well nn <3
24:40 <Ballig> Mekkis: oh, the blackout stuff, is that the "mask"?
24:46 <Mekkis> yeah
24:52 <Ballig> oh now I realise what that is
24:56 <Ballig> I kept thinking it was something like an alpha mask
24:56 <Ballig> :p
25:04 <Mekkis> Thelen, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Thelen_firstSteps3.pdf
25:48 <Mekkis> if I ever meet you in person, I'll sign them
26:20 <Avatar> http://www.botjunkie.com/2010/05/05/hexapod-dance-off-2010/
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29:22 <Ballig> that indian girl on another network needs to stop messaging me
30:40 <Avatar> what does override window style actually do
30:47 <Avatar> is that theme related
30:56 <Ballig> all right, the intersection that blast radii use is now based on the one your cursor is closest to
31:06 <Mekkis> nice
31:09 <Ballig> rather than always being the top-left corner of the square you click in
31:20 <Mekkis> added 0.5?
31:31 <Ballig> 0.5 blast radius? do they exist?
32:04 <Mekkis> no, I mean you added 0.5 to the x and the y before casting to int
32:13 <Ballig> (the "closest corner" function is mapCorner(), fyi - I added it when I made snap-to-grid for the lines)
32:22 <Ballig> actually I just used a function I made already :p
33:02 <Ballig>   int x = (int)cx-m_hMargin;
33:02 <Ballig>   int y = (int)cy-m_vMargin;
33:02 <Ballig>   if (x >= 0 && y >= 0 && (x/=(m_bSize+1)) < m_gWidth && (y/=(m_bSize+1)) < m_gHeight)
33:02 <Ballig>   {
33:02 <Ballig>     if (((int)cx-m_hMargin)%(m_bSize+1) > m_bSize/2) x++;
33:02 <Ballig>     if (((int)cy-m_vMargin)%(m_bSize+1) > m_bSize/2) y++;
33:02 <Ballig>     return QPoint(x, y);
33:02 <Ballig>   }
33:02 <Ballig>   else return QPoint(-1, -1);
33:09 <Mekkis> yeah
33:13 <Mekkis> I saw that
33:42 <Ballig> is it obvious that I suck at naming variables
33:55 <Mekkis> no
33:58 <Ballig> cx, cy, x, y
34:03 <Ballig> in some places I go to z
34:15 <Mekkis> it's obvious that you learnt to program in a non-strongly-typed language
34:21 <Ballig> ha
34:39 <Ballig> I learnt from deconstructing an old MUD written in C
34:43 <Mekkis> strange
34:58 <Mekkis> whoever wrote that MUD must have learnt to program BASIC or something
35:26 <Mekkis> (the m_ thing for class variables is an interesting paradigm: we seem to use it at work too...)
36:23 <Mekkis> I think I left a stray printf() in there somewhere
36:23 <Ballig> oh, I guess yeah, I learned BASIC first
36:27 <Ballig> when I was 9 and had a commodore 64
36:43 <Ballig> I read the m_ thing in some C++ book
36:53 <Ballig> it's meant to be for "member"
37:21 <Mekkis> or module-level
38:11 <Mekkis> I did a course where we were supposed to write a 3d engine in C++ at uni. I somehow managed to make an engine that was really fast on a dual-core processor, but slow as a wet rag on a single-core
38:58 <Ballig> ha
39:20 <Ballig> the reason for most if not all of my ugly programming is because I've never had any training in it
39:22 <Ballig> it's all self taught
39:40 <Mekkis> it's pretty good
39:43 <Mekkis> I've seen worse at work
41:02 <Mekkis> I've wanted to see if I could put a vision system in using random compositionmodes
42:22 <Ballig> vision might be difficult to do, but it could help with metagaming
42:32 <Ballig> just don't take it too far, or it might start bloat
44:11 <Mekkis> I don't think it's really worth releasing
44:43 <Ballig> it could be seriously difficult to manage UI-wise
44:52 <Mekkis> agreed
44:59 <Ballig> because the only real way to do it would be to hide specific objects from a network connected client
45:02 <Avatar> what's the problem
45:06 <Avatar> I'm excellent at UI
45:33 <Ballig> you don't want to make vision an automatic detection
46:07 <Avatar> I think I've seen lighting in maptools
46:13 <Avatar> and it was a bit dumb to manage?
46:20 <Avatar> like you'd have to set light points in each counter
46:51 <Ballig> yeah
46:54 <Ballig> vision would be similar
47:08 <Avatar> the other way would be to do it like a blackout method, but use like
47:11 <Ballig> basically you'd open up a list of clients connected, then click on one to open up a list that shows what objects are hidden from them
47:14 <Ballig> and add/remove objects from that list
47:15 <Avatar> transparency to a certain radius on a certain point
47:24 <Ballig> we're talking line of sight
47:26 <Avatar> and black out the rest
47:30 <Ballig> so for example if you're blind
47:35 <Ballig> they would hide all the tokens from your client
47:48 <Ballig> other clients could see where they are, but you couldn't
47:59 <Avatar> if you want to keep it simple, you can't go that route
48:06 <Ballig> that's simple code-wise
48:08 <Ballig> but not simple UI-wise
48:13 <Avatar> yeah
48:18 <Avatar> I'm only talking UI
48:36 <Ballig> yeah, that's why I said it would be dodgy UI-wise
48:43 <Avatar> having a central area of vision with a certain radius would work
48:50 <Ballig> you can't do radius
48:55 <Ballig> it defeats half the purpose
49:01 <Avatar> how
49:07 <Ballig> because that would let you see through walls
49:15 <Avatar> can you do it as a separate layer
49:16 <Ballig> doing radius only helps with lighting
49:21 <Avatar> black/transparent
49:28 <Ballig> you're still talking lighting
49:30 <Ballig> we're talking line of sight
49:45 <Avatar> yeah can't do line of sight
50:07 <Avatar> again, you'd have to tell it where the walls are
50:16 <Ballig> you can't tell it where the walls are
50:21 <Ballig> it's infeasible for the code
50:27 <Avatar> it's infeasable for usability 
50:28 <Mekkis> wow
50:32 <Ballig> you would have to specifically hide objects from a specific client
50:35 <Mekkis> zooming in and out is really easy!
51:18 <Avatar> might be handy to be able to zoom JPGs from CA
51:34 <Mekkis> Avatar, I don't mean that
51:43 <Avatar> I know, this is different
51:50 <Mekkis> I mean a client zooming out if he has a small monitor
51:57 <Avatar> I am just spilling ideas all over this text file
52:00 <Ballig> it's zooming the entire scene
52:06 <Mekkis> when the server decides to use a massive map
52:08 <Mekkis> for instance
52:11 <Ballig> yeah, put it all in the text file
52:13 <Ballig> but be articulate
52:29 <Avatar> I'm articulate
52:34 <Ballig> err on the side of more information
52:46 <Avatar> man you are going to be sick of hearing from me 
53:14 <Mekkis> void QGridTab::scale(qreal factor)
53:14 <Mekkis> {
53:14 <Mekkis>     for (int x = 0; x < count(); x++)
53:14 <Mekkis>     {
53:14 <Mekkis>           QPointer<QGridView> v = static_cast<QGridView*>(widget(x));
53:14 <Mekkis>           if (v) v->scale(factor, factor );
53:14 <Mekkis>      }
53:14 <Mekkis> }
53:27 <Ballig> ha
53:53 <Ballig> is that scaling every map that's open
54:05 <Mekkis> yep
54:28 <Mekkis> probably better to pick up the current scene
54:36 <Mekkis> and trap mousewheelup and mousewheeldown
55:45 <Ballig> how will you tell it to stop
55:50 <Ballig> or just always do it on mousewheel
56:04 <Mekkis> make the factor 1.1
56:12 <Ballig> what about uh
56:17 <Ballig> mouse wheel press+scroll
56:18 <Mekkis> so on mousewheeldown, it zooms in by 1.1
56:27 <Mekkis> ?
56:35 <Ballig> you know how you can press the mouse wheel
56:37 <Ballig> click
56:42 <Mekkis> (middle-click)
56:48 <Ballig> so if the wheel is scrolled while middle click is on
56:53 <Ballig> I've seen that in some other UIs
57:02 <Ballig> other option is to do what the browser does
57:07 <Ballig> mouse wheel while ctrl is held
57:11 <Mekkis> ctrl+mousewheel
57:15 <Ballig> maybe that's the most intuitive
57:24 <Mekkis> mousewheel is what's used in RTS games
57:27 <Mekkis> and AutoCAD
57:39 <Ballig> yeah, CA has scrollbars too though
57:46 <Mekkis> so does autoCAD
58:02 <Ballig> I don't think most 3D graphics programs are the best for UI advice
58:02 <Ballig> :p
58:17 <Mekkis> possibly
58:20 <Ballig> mm
58:29 <Ballig> need to figure out how to prevent cones from being added where you can't remove them
59:04 <Mekkis> you mean where start-point is at an edge?
59:41 <Ballig> specifically the top left edge
59:54 <Ballig> looks like I can check to see if the coordinates are 0/0
00:33 <Ballig> actually that won't work if it's facing another way
01:41 <Ballig> will need to take direction into account
06:09 <Avatar> I'm actually finding more bugs as I try to work out all the features I'm after
08:10 <Ballig> good
09:49 <Avatar> man I forgot the sidebar resize was there
10:05 <Avatar> that could have been handy instead of manually using arrow keys to see what else is there
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11:47 <Mekkis> Sachiru, 
11:55 <Sachiru> Yes?
11:59 <Mekkis> question regarding Phillipenes
12:26 <Mekkis> what provider should I use for 3G data?
12:38 <Sachiru> Depends on the location.
12:46 <Sachiru> Most urban areas: Sun Cellular.
13:06 <Sachiru> Provincial areas in Luzon and the upper half of Visayas: Globe Broadband.
13:29 <Sachiru> Provincial areas in the southern half of Visayas and Mindanao: Smart Telecommunications.
13:35 <Mekkis> Ballig, QGridScene->m_gHeight is the map height in cells?
13:46 <Sachiru> Does that answer your question?
13:51 <Mekkis> hopefully
13:57 <Mekkis> a friend is going over there
14:37 <Ballig> pretty sure cones can't be placed outside the grid now
14:50 <Ballig> yeah, m_gHeight is the height in cells
14:53 <Ballig> I just had to figure that one out myself
15:21 <Sachiru> Which part?
15:29 <Sachiru> If you tell me the location I can help him better.
15:47 <Mekkis> not sure
15:52 <Mekkis> I'll be seeing him tomorrow
16:10 <Ballig> just have to figure out some UI options for cones and I /think/ cones and blast radii will be fine to release
19:36 <Sachiru> Ok, cool. BTW, 3g in all areas suck, and if he can get wired internet of any sort, it should always be 101% better than 3G (except if the only available wired provider is Digitel, in which case he should stick to wireless since Digitel sucks so bad it's being sued for a class action lawsuit for providing crappy service).
20:04 <Avatar> how are you sachiru
20:07 <Avatar> I don't see you much these days
20:13 <Ballig> he hates us
20:19 <Avatar> doesn't sound right
20:33 <Sachiru> Not really hates.
20:50 <Ballig> haha "not really hates (but something like that)"
20:58 <Sachiru> More like "too engaged with work, studying for certification exams, and generally all the stuff that eats up time".
21:20 <Sachiru> I'll have a chunk of time freed up in around three months, so see you then.
21:59 <Mekkis> is there anywhere there that sells pirated miniatures?
23:05 <Sachiru> Wait, what?
23:13 <Sachiru> How, exactly, do you "pirate" a miniature?
23:25 <Mekkis> by copying it
23:35 <Mekkis> and casting many of them
24:13 <Avatar> shit
24:21 <Avatar> how did I not see "show on startup" on the connection dialog before
27:35 <Mekkis> hehe
28:03 <Mekkis> "If God is omnipotent and all things are possible, then it is possible that all religions are correct simultaneously"
28:46 <Avatar> nice, I like that one
35:09 <Mekkis> "Improvise is the best plan. Unlike all others, it survives contact with the enemy."
35:32 <Mekkis> (I wish you'd learn that... :P)
35:55 <Ballig> Avatar can't improvise
36:04 <Avatar> I can improvise
36:13 <Ballig> you so can't
36:17 <Avatar> you can't
36:21 <Avatar> you are a bigger planner than I am
36:31 <Ballig> only because I kn ow you can't improvise and without a plan you will kill us all
36:33 <Ballig> kill us ALL!
36:36 <Avatar> lies
38:30 <Ballig> case in point: cowardly bard
47:01 <Avatar> hey he survived that encounter
47:02 <Avatar> comedy is hard, okay
47:11 <Ballig> haha
47:22 <Avatar> why do you think I made my next character a wise man
47:23 <Mekkis> ah
47:46 <Mekkis> that comment on the memory leaks was because a new line was being created every time the mouse moved while dragging
48:03 <Ballig> wouldn't surprise me
48:47 <Avatar> that should do it for now
59:45 <Mekkis> (one or two leaks isn't too much of a problem: a few bytes here, a few bytes there: it's when you're creating a lot of objects that it is noticeable)
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