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44:01 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 10am (Mekkis) | CoTE: Sun 10am || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE | http://dnd.ballig.net/newbie_guide.htm
44:01 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Thu Dec 15 00:36:20 2011
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07:19 <Mekkis> Thelen, seems to have changed
07:27 <Mekkis> I'm no longer getting "no route to host"
07:36 <Mekkis> now I'm getting "Administratively prohibited"
16:35 <Mekkis> root@fr:~# ssh -v nl.ti4200.info -6
16:35 <Mekkis> OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
16:35 <Mekkis> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
16:35 <Mekkis> debug1: Applying options for *
16:35 <Mekkis> debug1: Connecting to nl.ti4200.info [2a00:dd0:0:11:80a6:4fff:fec7:d456] port 22.
16:35 <Mekkis> debug1: connect to address 2a00:dd0:0:11:80a6:4fff:fec7:d456 port 22: Permission denied
16:35 <Mekkis> ssh: connect to host nl.ti4200.info port 22: Permission denied
19:38 <Mekkis> Thelen, look at ip6tables -L on the host machine
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47:18 <Mekkis> some guy's casting pointers to unsigned ints
47:20 <Mekkis> yay
54:03 <Spaceshot_tm2_> tis what the pros do
01:31 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2_, so tell me what's wrong with it
13:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sorry I didn't invoke the sarcasm maccro
13:44 <Spaceshot_tm2_> macro*
16:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though to my understanding, the pointer might fail if the int isn't assigned before the pointer calls the int
42:40 <Thelen> Mekkis nice, half working ://
42:51 <Thelen> ipv6 isn't even working on the host :/
43:34 <Thelen> Mekkis http://pastie.org/3038309
43:58 <Thelen> so im guessing line 12 needs to be fixed
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53:19 <Mekkis> Thelen, you seem to be rejecting everything from me :S
53:25 <Thelen> sorry :(
53:29 <Thelen> i love u still
54:59 <Mekkis> ip6tables -F FORWARD
55:01 <Mekkis> try that
55:08 <Mekkis> then do ip6tables -L
56:44 <Thelen> refresh pastie
59:58 <Mekkis> can you ssh from that box?
00:04 <Thelen> yea
00:24 <Mekkis> over ipv6?
00:31 <Mekkis> (de.ti4200.info is ipv6-only)
00:40 <Thelen> not sure how to do that 
00:47 <Mekkis> ssh -6 -v de.ti4200.info
01:33 <Thelen> 1 sec
01:44 <Thelen> wtf
01:48 <Thelen> ssh: command not fo
02:25 <Mekkis> if you don't mind me asking, what's the ipv6 address of the host?
02:37 <Thelen> :2 it should be
02:45 <Thelen> 2a02:2658:101b::2/64 
03:10 <Mekkis> really?
03:20 <Mekkis> that's the same address that my machine has
05:04 <Thelen> :/
05:14 <Thelen> that might be part of the problem then :D
06:59 <Thelen> changing and restarting networking
10:46 <Thelen> From 2a02:2658:101b::1 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: No route
12:49 <MekkisScreen> well, I've for the first hop working!
13:01 <Thelen> cool
18:37 <Thelen> wtf is ssh
18:41 <Thelen> fucking centos
19:11 <Thelen> openssh
19:15 <Thelen> ffs virtual package asshats!
19:54 <MekkisScreen> ah centos
20:19 <MekkisScreen> I got annoyed with it when I found that it didn't include ip6tables as default
20:26 <Thelen> yea
20:33 <Thelen> im only using cos openvz/solusvm prefered
20:39 <Thelen> all the guides (as shit as they are)
20:42 <Thelen> are for centos
20:45 <Thelen> i fucking hate it though
21:09 <MekkisScreen> not as bad as ubuntu
21:11 <MekkisScreen> :S
21:14 <Thelen> :(
24:10 <MekkisScreen> I believe the host machine is 2a02:2658:101b::5 ?
24:15 <MekkisScreen> would that be correct?
24:22 <MekkisScreen> (it's the first hop)
24:35 <Thelen> yea
24:58 <Thelen> what do u tihnk the chances are the gateway isn't ::0001 but FFFF:FFFF:FFFF :/
25:24 <MekkisScreen> what's the output of ip -6 route ?
25:50 <Thelen> refreshed
27:57 <MekkisScreen> to find the router, ping6 -Ieth0 ff02::1  might show something
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28:10 <Thelen> shhh, he's here
28:42 <Spaceshot_tm2_> so about those bunnies
28:54 <Thelen> you bring em around, the blender is setup
29:41 <Spaceshot_tm2_> blender? I prefer slow cooker
29:52 <MekkisScreen> was talking about running a sanctioned module on the 27th-28th
29:59 <MekkisScreen> let's get burnt out!
30:16 <Spaceshot_tm2_> why only 1?
31:21 <MekkisScreen> because in my experience, with players including myself, John, Myra and killer Matt, with Darkwhite DMing, it took a day and a half
31:38 <MekkisScreen> in person
31:55 <Spaceshot_tm2_> sanctioned module as in one of those pfs 4hr senarios?
32:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> scenarios*
32:16 <MekkisScreen> no
33:04 <MekkisScreen> they're the modules
33:17 <MekkisScreen> like Crypt of the Everflame
33:18 <Spaceshot_tm2_> elaborate
33:43 <Thelen> ah
33:47 <MekkisScreen> generally enough to get a character from $level to halfway between $level+1 and $level +2
34:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh
34:15 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you mean a whole story arc
34:29 <MekkisScreen> you might call it that
35:03 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: any useful resonse from the pin6?
35:08 <MekkisScreen> ping6?
35:37 <Thelen> From 2a02:2658:101b::1 icmp_seq=2 Destination unreachable: No route
35:41 <Thelen> i rekon its their end
35:59 <MekkisScreen> from the ping6 -Ieth0 ff02::1
36:01 <MekkisScreen> ?
36:14 <Thelen> ipv6.google.com
36:33 <Thelen> PING ff02::1(ff02::1) from fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe5e:d568 eth0: 56 data bytes
36:33 <Thelen> 64 bytes from fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe5e:d568: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
36:33 <Thelen> 64 bytes from fe80::c671:feff:feb3:33da: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.530 ms (DUP!)
36:37 <Thelen> and so on
38:54 <Avatar-> a module won't take only 2 days
39:26 <Avatar-> we've played one session of cote, ask ballig how far in we are there
39:49 <Avatar-> not a quarter of the way, I think
40:52 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: can you ping 2a02:2658:101b::c671:feff:feb3:33da
41:15 <Thelen> From 2a02:2658:101b::5 icmp_seq=2 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
41:47 <Avatar-> does the pfs guide mention sanctioned modules at all
42:00 <Avatar-> it'd be nice to have some rules in there
42:02 <MekkisScreen> the sanctioned module stuff does
42:12 <MekkisScreen> if you download the chronicle sheet for it
42:23 <Avatar-> what is the sanctioned module stuff
42:44 <Avatar-> aren't you meant to get that on completion
42:50 <MekkisScreen> ip -6 route dell default via 2a02:2658:101b::1 dev eth0
42:57 <MekkisScreen> ip -6 route del default via 2a02:2658:101b::1 dev eth0
43:03 <Avatar-> aren't there general rules for all sanctioned modules
43:10 <MekkisScreen> yes
43:13 <Thelen> ran OK mekkis
43:18 <MekkisScreen> not sure if they're in the guide
43:40 <Avatar-> it'd make sense for them to be
43:40 <MekkisScreen> in ip -6 addr, is 2a02:2658:101b::5 a /128 or a /64 ?
44:20 <Thelen> ::5/64 
44:59 <Thelen> im not sure doing a module over skype/irc would be much slower than IRL
45:01 <MekkisScreen> once you've deleted the default gateway, can you ping6 2a02:2658:101b::c671:feff:feb3:33da
45:07 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: it is
45:22 <Thelen> oh ok
45:25 <MekkisScreen> it takes between 1.5x and 2.5x as long
45:36 <Thelen> From 2a02:2658:101b::5 icmp_seq=2 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
45:39 <Thelen> ah
45:45 <Thelen> well that's where the 5 minute thing comes in :D
45:57 <MekkisScreen> ?
46:09 <Thelen> we talked about having a limit of 5 minutes discussing each plan
46:13 <Thelen> vs spending 20+
46:24 <MekkisScreen> ip -6 route add default dev eth0
46:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it isn't much slower if all communication happens in skype and IRC is only used for dice rolling
46:46 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot_tm2_: you wouldn't know: you've never played here.
46:54 <MekkisScreen> we're speaking from experience
46:57 <Spaceshot_tm2_> have played here (not with skype though)
47:16 <MekkisScreen> does that help?
47:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> can, but is mainly to say you're wrong
47:35 <Thelen> refresh pastie, put in /etc/sysconf/network stuff
47:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> :P
47:54 <Thelen> doesn't help no
48:22 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot_tm2_: you'll say I'm wrong even when I'm not, Especially if I'm not.
48:56 <Spaceshot_tm2_> about not playing here? no that part is wrong
48:58 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: did you put that default gateway in?
49:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I've played here, even DMed
49:09 <Thelen> ip -6 route add default dev eth0       yes
49:17 <MekkisScreen> about things going faster with skype, compared to playing in person
49:42 <MekkisScreen> IPV6_DEFAULTGW=2A02:2658:101b:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001
49:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not going faster than in person (because in person you don't have to type out your dice rolls)
50:13 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but it would be a lot faster than just straight IRC, and a lot closer to IRL table game time than straight IRC game time
51:16 <MekkisScreen> but we have empirical evidence to the contrary
51:22 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if you use a visualisation tool (such as CA) then it'll also add to the difference between IRL and IRC
52:21 <Spaceshot_tm2_> I'm just saying that the general part of dnd/roleplaying is communication, and if both forms of communication become the same type (verbal in this instance) then that part of the time calculation would be the practically the same
52:50 <MekkisScreen> your theory is missing an important part:
53:24 <Avatar-> spaceshot you haven't played here in a very long time
53:34 <MekkisScreen> when you're playing IRL, generally computers/phones/etc are frowned upon at the table.
53:36 <Thelen> over 9000 minutes in fact
53:42 <Avatar-> games have definitely sped up with skype
53:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> not where I play MekkisScreen, at least for the DM
54:08 <Avatar-> sped up further with the 5 minute guideline, I think
54:34 <MekkisScreen> when you're playing online, you have a computer in front of you. It has been shown generally that computers in front of players slow the game down, and detract from the whole experience.
54:34 <Thelen> yup
54:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> Avatar-, the 5min guideline speeds up peoples personal play, as it would in IRL
55:02 <MekkisScreen> heh
55:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> MekkisScreen, that is along the lines of the 5min guideline, it is subject to personal choice/distraction
55:18 <MekkisScreen> not exactly.
55:24 <Spaceshot_tm2_> in general it is
55:30 <MekkisScreen> if you bring a laptop to my table, I'll ask you to put it away
55:41 <Avatar-> I never thought I'd be telling players whoa! slow down and think first
55:42 <MekkisScreen> if you don't, I'll ask you to leave.
55:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> you could have 1 person spending his full attention on the game at hand, writting down notes in 'down times'
56:05 <Avatar-> I'd leave
56:20 <Spaceshot_tm2_> MekkisScreen, I agree with players GTFOing if they have a laptop/tablet
56:25 <MekkisScreen> and without Avatar-, the game would go faster :P
56:30 <Avatar-> ha
56:45 <Spaceshot_tm2_> unless they are explicitly using it to type up what is being said/done (had it done before, it was funny to read it)
56:46 <Thelen> hhaha
56:46 <Avatar-> I am probably the slowest
56:59 <Thelen> yea you do like to talk :D
57:05 <MekkisScreen> and plan
57:16 <MekkisScreen> and die when other people don't care about your plans
57:21 <Thelen> lol
57:24 <MekkisScreen> ("other people" including the enemies)
57:28 <Avatar-> yeah
57:29 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but if the DM is using a laptop/tablet then I agree with it, it's his preparation tool
57:50 <MekkisScreen> sure, but the DM always has to pay mroe attention than the players
57:52 <Spaceshot_tm2_> it's either a laptop/tablet, or a fuck load of printed sheets, scribbles on cards, notes all over the place
57:57 <Avatar-> why can't players prepare
58:04 <MekkisScreen> I do
58:17 <Spaceshot_tm2_> players can prepare, but they don't require prepartion tools
58:18 <MekkisScreen> I have all my modifiers written down
58:29 <MekkisScreen> (look at Jasim's sheet)
58:40 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they don't require like 20 different monsters at hand
58:50 <MekkisScreen> I also have certain lines and speeches prepared !
58:51 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or all 12 NPCs you might encounter
00:04 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though it is wise for someone who wishes to do summoning to either bring a copy of his monster manual and either bookmark it or write down the location of each monster
00:08 <Spaceshot_tm2_> or bring write ups of them
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00:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the 2 things that slow down play the most is planning (which can be good), and not knowing what X does (which isn't the best)
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00:58 <Spaceshot_tm2_> the 2 things that slow down play the most is planning (which can be good), and not knowing what X does (which isn't the best)
01:03 <Avatar-> oops
02:14 <Thelen> adasey
11:50 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot_tm2_: wise?
12:13 <MekkisScreen> if you're summoning something and don't have the fully modified statblock in front of you, the spell fails
12:42 <Avatar-> haha yep
16:00 <Spaceshot_tm2_> really doubt it RAW XD
16:13 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: were you told that ;5~2A02:2658:101b:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001 was the default gateway?
16:59 <MekkisScreen> Spaceshot_tm2_: I know it isn't RAW. And I don't really care. It's a houserule that I use, and I tell everyone.
17:08 <Thelen> yes
17:12 <Spaceshot_tm2_> oh I bet
17:33 <Spaceshot_tm2_> though I didn't realise that summoned monsters had adjusted stat blocks
19:32 <MekkisScreen> depends on who summons them
19:47 <Spaceshot_tm2_> a wiz/sorc?
19:47 <MekkisScreen> anyone with augment summoning needs to adjust the statblock
20:12 <MekkisScreen> any wiz/sorc/cleric/summoner needs to adjust them because they're adding celestial/fiendish to it
20:30 <Spaceshot_tm2_> if they are
20:35 <Spaceshot_tm2_> they don't always add it
20:37 <MekkisScreen> a druid without augment summoning doesn't need to
20:40 <MekkisScreen> true
20:48 <MekkisScreen> when they're summoning elementals, they don't add it
20:54 <MekkisScreen> most of the time they do
21:07 <MekkisScreen> it's called player preparation
21:10 <Spaceshot_tm2_> most summon monster 3+ add a template or 2
21:19 <Spaceshot_tm2_> but I rarely play summoners
21:19 <MekkisScreen> summon monster 1 does
21:23 <Spaceshot_tm2_> really?
21:26 <Spaceshot_tm2_> hmm... odd
21:50 <Spaceshot_tm2_> also, there is no summon monster lvl 1 snake with the same name as the summon monster snake, except the familiar
22:18 <MekkisScreen> When you use a summoning spell to summon a creature with an alignment or elemental subtype, it is a spell of that type. Creatures on Table: Summon Monster marked with an "*" are summoned with the celestial template, if you are good, and the fiendish template, if you are evil. If you are neutral, you may choose which template to apply to the creature. Creatures marked with an "*" always have an alignment that matches yours, regardless of their usual 
22:50 <MekkisScreen> including dire rat, riding dog, dolfin, eagle, fire beetle, pony, viper
29:03 <MekkisScreen> almost every summon monster adds a template
31:26 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: run radvdump eth0 and see if you find anything
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51:52 <Thelen> not installed hmm ::L/
07:49 <MekkisScreen> probably doesn't matter that much
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08:00 <MekkisScreen> I doubt the gateway's outputting router advertisments
08:25 <MekkisScreen> can you try something like:
08:40 <MekkisScreen> ip -6 route add 2000::/3 via 2a02:2658:101b:0:c671:feff:feb3:33da dev eth0 
08:42 <MekkisScreen> ?
19:19 <Thelen> ok
19:39 <Thelen> From 2a02:2658:101b::5 icmp_seq=2 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
20:19 <MekkisScreen> what's the output of ip addr?
20:23 <MekkisScreen> ip -6 addr *
20:50 <Thelen> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qlen 1000
20:51 <Thelen>     inet6 2a02:2658:101b::5/64 scope global
20:51 <Thelen>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
20:51 <Thelen>     inet6 fe80::7a2b:cbff:fe5e:d568/64 scope link
25:53 <MekkisScreen> hmmm
25:57 <MekkisScreen> the /36 is routerd
26:00 <MekkisScreen> routed
26:05 <Thelen> we
26:12 <Thelen> we'll see what support says :/
26:46 <MekkisScreen> core1.lon1.he.net> show ipv6 bgp routes detail 2a02:2658:1000::/36
26:46 <MekkisScreen> Number of BGP Routes matching display condition : 4
26:46 <MekkisScreen>        S:SUPPRESSED F:FILTERED s:STALE
26:46 <MekkisScreen> 1       Prefix: 2a02:2658:1000::/36,  Status: BE,  Age: 2d23h25m16s
26:46 <MekkisScreen>          NEXT_HOP: 2001:7f8:4::8b4e:1, Metric: 0,  Learned from Peer: 2001:7f8:4::8b4e:1 (35662)
26:49 <MekkisScreen>           LOCAL_PREF: 140,  MED: 1,  ORIGIN: igp,  Weight: 0
26:51 <MekkisScreen>          AS_PATH: 35662
26:54 <MekkisScreen>             COMMUNITIES: 35662:800 35662:6001 35662:7826 35662:8012 6939:1000 6939:6000
27:21 <Thelen> hmm
27:44 <MekkisScreen> so it's either a routing issue within your provider, or on your box
27:49 <Thelen> yea
27:56 <MekkisScreen> speaking of which, what payment method do you want me to use?
28:04 <Thelen> pp or bank xfer
28:10 <MekkisScreen> I can do paypal, credit card, or bank transfer in AUD
28:38 <Avatar-> what are you buying
28:44 <Thelen> drugs
37:38 <Avatar-> real ones or pathfinder ones
37:57 <Thelen> real obv
38:17 <Avatar-> that's not really nice
48:08 <Thelen> lol
48:13 <Thelen> he buying a VPS
49:16 <Spaceshot_tm2> perma host a minecraft server on it XD
49:30 <Spaceshot_tm2> or whatever game the collective video game players here are into now days
53:11 <Thelen> heh
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53:39 <Avatar> wearing a jacket out today wasn't the best idea
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53:59 <Thelen> lol
02:12 <Avatar> some guy on twitter added me saying they want to hook up either with shy guys and guys that are willing to try new stuff
05:46 <Mekkis> I might run a minecraft server on it, depending on what else its doing
07:02 <Avatar> may as well
07:06 <Avatar> get snypt's world
07:18 <Avatar> he's put the most effort in it out of all of us x10000
07:24 <Thelen> :D
07:31 <Avatar> he built a bloody fortress
07:44 <Thelen> Mekkis i mentioned that i'll have the server only for max 4 months, then have to move yea? same plans and features though
07:56 <Mekkis> yeah
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38:18 <Thelen> should be plenty of time to figure it out in that time :D
01:55 <Avatar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOaGhE_sejI
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21:49 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: ja, and hopefully get v6 working
40:56 <Thelen> yea
43:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> Thelen, are you the guy who's also in melb/vic?
54:41 <Thelen> yea bro
54:44 <Thelen> eastern burbs
58:59 <Spaceshot_tm2> ah yea, you go to GG black burn don't you?
59:21 <Thelen> no
01:33 <Avatar> why would you, you can play here
03:06 <Spaceshot_tm2> avatar, I don't want to get into anything that has to do with IRL vs IRC
03:35 <MekkisScreen> hey
03:39 <MekkisScreen> you brought it up
03:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> I did bring it u;
03:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> up*
03:59 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm also not continuing it
04:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> still need to play more non-dnd/pathfinder/pfs here XD
04:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> multiculture it up
05:40 <MekkisScreen> your problem is that you speak too much from assumptions and not enought from experience
05:45 <Thelen> WOOOOOOOO
05:55 <Thelen> car problem was just dodgy wiring, not anything having broken
06:05 <Thelen> now im only just slightly less broke :D
06:12 <Spaceshot_tm2> what now mekkis?
06:28 <MekkisScreen> you should speak more from experience
06:37 <Spaceshot_tm2> no, I mean what are you refering to this time
06:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> and I'll say if I've got experience or not in it
06:47 <MekkisScreen> nothing in particular
07:00 <Spaceshot_tm2> you should learn to speak less vague and more on topic
07:05 <MekkisScreen> just what you say in general
07:21 <Spaceshot_tm2> :P
07:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> I've played a good amount of non-dnd
07:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> and I prefer it in some aspects
08:16 <MekkisScreen> I'm sure that there are people here who would play something non-dnd if you were to run it
08:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> Possibly
09:08 <Spaceshot_tm2> but like I stated not long ago, that my schedule is still a bit hectic, but I can still propose stuff
09:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> just that my main want to play time is preferably a week night
15:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm not exactly what game yet (will make sure it'll be easily available as pdf though)
17:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> looking for either a fantasy or modern style game that is hardcore (mortality is known, risks are questioned based on mortality rate, smart moves make you live longer and so on)
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27:20 <Avatar> don't games at the cons go for about 5 hours
27:42 <Avatar> excepting the shorter modules, obviously
27:48 <MekkisScreen> generally yes
27:55 <MekkisScreen> Darkwhite tries for 6 hour sessions
28:01 <Avatar> ours go for about 6 hours
28:22 <Avatar> for some reason I thought in-person ones went for 4 hours
28:24 <Avatar> but that's not right
28:44 <Avatar> taking into account the 90 minute trip each way trip brunius takes, doesn't that make him worse off
30:12 <Thelen> yea
30:16 <Thelen> its hard if u include travel
30:31 <Thelen> though you gotta include delays on skype from when people are late
30:36 <Thelen> *caugh mekkis caugh*
30:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> haha
33:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> oh also, Thelen you able to play on a weekday night?
33:25 <Thelen> yea
33:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> sweet
33:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> any perticular you can't play
33:56 <Thelen> usually wed nights
34:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> cool cool, I think that is the same night mekkis can't play
36:26 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm thinking thursday nights, I like playing on thursday night, I currently do and when I hit melb I won't
39:13 <Avatar> nice one thelen
39:48 <Avatar> spaceshot: you may not have the news, I'm unemployed at the moment and thus available weekdays
39:58 <Spaceshot_tm2> I did hear something like that
40:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> by choice?
40:12 <Avatar> company went into liquidation
40:26 <Spaceshot_tm2> ouch
40:33 <Thelen> thats just the tactful way of saying it
40:35 <Thelen> the truth is
40:37 <Thelen> avatar farted
40:40 <Thelen> and the whole building melted
40:42 <Avatar> I was wanting to leave anyway
40:42 <Spaceshot_tm2> heh
40:51 <Avatar> and the payout is going to be ridiculous when I get it
40:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> if you get it
41:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> depends how fucked the company was
41:05 <Avatar> it's government guaranteed, pretty much
41:13 <Avatar> doesn't come from the company
41:26 <Thelen> XD
41:44 <Avatar> I'm kind of amazed something like that even exists to be honest
41:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> haha nice
42:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> they probably had liquidation in their minds when they wrote that up
42:11 <Thelen> mmm lucky
43:30 <Avatar> yeah that's exactly what it's for
46:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> so what did you do again?
47:23 <Avatar> outsourcing
47:33 <Avatar> marketing/progject management/development
47:36 <Spaceshot_tm2> AHH
47:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> soz capslock accedentally
47:58 <Avatar> I'd like to find something else in marketing
48:12 <Spaceshot_tm2> should be doable
53:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'd still want to try out and thus run one of my few RPGs
53:57 <MekkisScreen> marketing, as in "Watch out, don't step in the marketing"
54:42 <MekkisScreen> Thelen: I blame daylight saving
54:50 <Thelen> :P
54:51 <Thelen> i know u do
54:52 <MekkisScreen> you should be civilised and deprecate it
55:07 <MekkisScreen> any news back from the techs?
57:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> who the fuck 3parts a rar that contains a 2part rar that contains a 37part sfv file which contains the game ISO
57:52 <MekkisScreen> strange
58:00 <MekkisScreen> and sfv files can't contain anything
58:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> well it's a .001 to .007 file
58:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> .037*
58:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> but I don't know what they're called
58:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> there was a like 1kb file called .sfv and that's the only named extention
59:42 <snypt> hello lads
59:58 <MekkisScreen> you're supposed to use the sfv file to verify the integrity of the rar files
00:03 <Spaceshot_tm2> sup passive agressiveness
00:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> XD
00:23 <snypt> fuck off
00:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> you know you love me :P
00:33 <snypt> i said lads not dickheads
00:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> and I said sup
01:35 <Spaceshot_tm2> anywho, are you available weekday night/s soonish?
02:03 <snypt> some nights
02:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> the next question which is the biggy
02:21 <snypt> i think mon, wed, thurs atm
02:26 <Spaceshot_tm2> do you care to play something I run?
02:29 <snypt> no
03:09 <Spaceshot_tm2> well you don't play anything that's not dnd/pathfinder anyway don't you?
03:16 <snypt> yes i do
03:34 <snypt> ill play almost anything 
03:36 <Spaceshot_tm2> maybe it wasn't you then
03:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> I get people mixed up often
03:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> happens when I don't get on here more often
05:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> lemme guess why, I'm a dick?
12:22 <MekkisScreen> 5
12:59 <Spaceshot_tm2> nice out of the blue answer mekkis
14:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> anywho, anyone tempted to try out one of my somewhat created rpgs?
18:42 <MekkisScreen> not if it's a docx file
19:26 <MekkisScreen> of course, the content has to be present and sufficient
20:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> I can change file type for your ease mekkis
21:41 <Spaceshot_tm2> well the plan is to get this up and running in late feb early march (when I have thursdays off)
26:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> also I'm thinking of holding off on disciples (fantasy rpg) because the way I want it to go doesn't look like it'll work without a bit of player based down time
26:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> an arbiter would be a very useful addition to the game, which makes it seem like a good video game, or a tool buffed game rather than straight pen and paper
34:39 <MekkisScreen> so Spaceshot_tm2: what's bad about casting a pointer to an unsigned int ?
35:06 <Spaceshot_tm2> didn't I say it earlier?
35:13 <MekkisScreen> no
35:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> I believe I did
35:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> using my knowledge, I believe that the pointer could fail to get a target variable if the int is unsigned at the time of retrieving
36:07 <Spaceshot_tm2> that might not be the correct technical terms
36:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> but the general idea
36:55 <MekkisScreen> no
37:06 <MekkisScreen> that's casting a pointer to an unsigned int pointer
37:13 <MekkisScreen> this is casting a pointer to an unsigned int
37:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> ahh
37:30 <Spaceshot_tm2> well, I don't use pointers (will be soon, but I don't really now)
38:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> no pointers in C# sadly
40:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> care to elaborate then?
44:51 <Mekkis> a pointer is an address, right?
45:19 <Spaceshot_tm2> continue
46:26 <MekkisScreen> how big is it?
46:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm no child, don't talk to me as if I am one
49:34 <MekkisScreen> how big is an unsigned int?
49:59 <Spaceshot_tm2> again
50:07 <Spaceshot_tm2> don't
50:21 <MekkisScreen> I don't know how much you know
50:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> it doesn't matter
50:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> I said elaborate
50:34 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean?
50:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> I can learn from what is said rather than having to be told word by word
50:59 <MekkisScreen> I'm trying to lead you to an understanding, rather than throwing you at an answer
51:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> if someone says there is a car crash, and I ask what happened, I don't expect the person to say "there were 2 cars, they crashed"
51:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> because that part I'd get
51:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> without having to know exactly what happened
52:05 <Spaceshot_tm2> I prefer knowing the answer
52:17 <Spaceshot_tm2> usually I can gather a reason from there
52:29 <MekkisScreen> so, how big is an unsigned int?
52:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> ...
52:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> or, or you can not just listen
53:02 <MekkisScreen> or you can just answer, so I know how much I need to tell you
53:32 <Spaceshot_tm2> no I don't know how big an unsigned int is
54:21 <MekkisScreen> good answer. An unsigned int is defined as "not smaller than a short, and not larger than a long"
54:47 <MekkisScreen> generally, it's 32-bits, but that isn't guaranteed.
55:52 <MekkisScreen> the size of a pointer is defined as "the size of the base-2 logarithm of the architecture's address space"
56:06 <MekkisScreen> on an i586 architecture, it's generally 32-bits
56:13 <MekkisScreen> but again, it's not guaranteed
56:26 <MekkisScreen> can you see why it's bad now?
57:03 <Spaceshot_tm2> because it can in theory be larger or smaller
57:46 <MekkisScreen> meaning that one side or the other might lose precision
57:49 <Spaceshot_tm2> again, I don't like being talked down to as if I'm an idiot, even though I might not grasp the whole reasoning to the answer
58:03 <MekkisScreen> but if you're compiling for an x86 processor, it will generally work
58:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> wow that's bad then
58:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> especially if it's a new program
59:28 <MekkisScreen> worse in an old program that you're attempting to run on a new architecture
59:52 <MekkisScreen> normally with a new program, you'll test it on multiple architectures (at least x86 and x64)
00:16 <Spaceshot_tm2> you'd think so
00:47 <MekkisScreen> (I regularly compile CA for x64 and Symbian on ARM)
15:19 <MekkisScreen> I thought C# had pointers in it (AddressOf()) for instance
15:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> it has quasi pointers
16:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> but I'm not up to that level and I don't really care about it atm since I'll be going deep end with C++
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31:18 <Spaceshot_tm2> theres someone who will eventually have a fucked hard drive for keeping his comp on all the time :P
31:39 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, neither. I'd suggest you write a setting to an existing roleplaying game
31:49 <Ballig> it's nto from having the computer on
31:53 <Ballig> it's from having inadequate cooling
32:10 <Spaceshot_tm2> yes, but he knows of the inadequate cooling
32:19 <Brunius> It isn't actually that got
32:21 <Brunius> hot*
32:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> and to at least slow down the destruction would be to turn it off
32:35 <Brunius> I have been turning it off, Spaceshot
32:50 <Brunius> This is one of the hard drives that siezes up anyway
32:58 <Mekkis> seagate 7200.11?
33:21 <Spaceshot_tm2> lol seagate
33:37 <Brunius> 7200.11, Mekkis
33:40 <Mekkis> fast, cheap, 1/256 chance of failing to power up and fucking up
34:01 <Mekkis> (if you didn't patch the firmware)
34:03 <Brunius> Fuck yeah!
34:05 <Spaceshot_tm2> I don't like those chances
34:16 <Mekkis> you can extend the life by not powering them down
34:18 <Brunius> It's actually out of a portable hard drive, so no idea if it can be trusted
34:28 <Mekkis> :)
34:32 <Brunius> Ha!
34:41 <Mekkis> or by patching the firmware
34:42 <Brunius> Two conflicting opinions - who do I trust more!
34:52 <Brunius> How do I patch the firmware?
34:57 <Mekkis> has it fucked up?
35:14 <Brunius> Not yet
35:25 <Mekkis> what's the firmware version
35:28 <Brunius> I was under the impression you couldn't patch it once it fucked itself
35:34 <Mekkis> (it says it on the sticker)
35:40 <Mekkis> you can, it's just REALLY HARD
35:51 <Brunius> SD15
35:53 <Mekkis> (you need a serial -> TTL converter to start with)
35:53 <Brunius> I think
36:20 <Mekkis> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207951
36:49 <Mekkis> I bought a 1.5TB 7200.11
36:57 <Mekkis> it caught fire when I powered it up
37:00 <Mekkis> so I returned it
37:10 <Mekkis> they replaced it, and the replacement also caught fire.
37:14 <Brunius> gg
37:23 <Mekkis> they replaced it again, and it works fine now :)
37:40 <Mekkis> third time lucky :)
37:49 <Brunius> What happens if you turn it off and then on again?
38:02 <Mekkis> it's in my desktop at the moment
38:09 <Mekkis> it probably turns off and on
38:12 <Brunius> Gotta close this, back in a minute
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38:52 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, what's "lol seagate"
38:59 <Mekkis> I had a WD fail last weekend.
39:40 <Spaceshot_tm2> I've had 2 of their external hard drives fuck up for practically no reason
39:48 <Spaceshot_tm2> and I only had them for like a month or 2 each
39:58 <Mekkis> this was a RAID edition drive: the YS model
40:09 <Spaceshot_tm2> both different brands, in retrospect I should of warrentied them
40:35 <Mekkis> mine was part of a RAID set, so I'm alright :)
41:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> heh, mine wasn't
41:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> and I didn't backup the hard drive either (because I didn't)
41:26 <Mekkis> suck2bu
41:35 <Spaceshot_tm2> but the second hard drive I got to connect it one last time after it was flaking out to get the stuff on to my comp
41:59 <Mekkis> it was actually the boot drive of the PC I'm using as a NAS for backups
42:02 <Mekkis> the irony :)
42:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> :P
42:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> so yea, my previous question mekkis
42:46 <Mekkis> <Spaceshot_tm2> [18:22:43] mekkis, should I bother making a catch all roleplaying game or a specific direction roleplaying game?
42:47 <Mekkis> ?
42:52 <Spaceshot_tm2> yup
42:53 <Mekkis> <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, neither. I'd suggest you write a setting to an existing roleplaying game
43:06 <Mekkis> maybe including some rules tweaks if needed
43:08 <Spaceshot_tm2> oh didn't see that
43:44 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, do you know much about 3d modelling?
43:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> but that would mean I'd have to find a rules set I like enough that only a few rules tweak would make me want to play it more
43:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> I do know of it
44:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> not the very expert stuff
44:01 <Mekkis> I've got a 3D model, and I'd like to make parts of it thicker
44:14 <Spaceshot_tm2> is the model made of parts?
44:20 <Mekkis> basically it's thinner than the minimum wall thickness
44:23 <Mekkis> sort of
44:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> what program/tool are you using?
44:42 <Mekkis> a number of tools
44:55 <Mekkis> solidworks, autocad, meshlab
45:20 <Spaceshot_tm2> hmm... don't know any of those programs
45:21 <Spaceshot_tm2> sadly
45:31 <Mekkis> what do you know?
45:40 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm getting to that
46:09 <Spaceshot_tm2> my guess (without knowing the exact model at hand, and the exact parts of the model)
46:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> would be to try and cut the object to the peices you want to thicken
46:49 <Spaceshot_tm2> and extrude them
47:07 <Mekkis> can you extrude a 3d surface?
48:05 <Spaceshot_tm2> just the surface?
48:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> not the whole model just a singular face?
48:33 <Mekkis> can you extrude a model
48:33 <Mekkis> ?
48:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> should be able to
49:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> because that's what I remember doing
49:07 <Mekkis> I thought extruding was turning a 2d into a 3d by adding thickness
49:18 <Spaceshot_tm2> that too
49:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> but you should be able to add more extrusians where ever you wish
49:53 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm not sure if all 3d tools will allow you to do so though
50:00 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm not familiar with them all
50:17 <Spaceshot_tm2> was using autodesk 3ds max 9 or 10 or something
51:19 <Mekkis> I think I have a copy of that lying around
51:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'd only install that if your current programs don't allow for extrusion of 3d objects
52:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> because sadly I don't have it on my pc at the moment, and I haven't used it in a month or 2
52:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> so I'd be a little rusty
53:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> hmm... autocad should have a thickness level on the object
53:28 <Spaceshot_tm2> you should be able to alter that
53:31 <Mekkis> I'm planning a format in the near future
53:44 <Mekkis> by Autocad, I mean Autocad 2000 
53:45 <Mekkis> :S
53:53 <Spaceshot_tm2> hahaha
54:15 <Mekkis> that's one program that runs better on linux than on windows 7
55:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> mmm
58:17 <Spaceshot_tm2> so why suggest I write up a setting rather than a game system?
00:21 <Mekkis> because writing a game system is a really big job. Especially if you want it done by early next year. And requires a lot of testing etc to be done well
00:56 <Spaceshot_tm2> well, the game group would also be the main testing group
01:19 <Mekkis> in addition, there are a lot of people who try and write game systems. And most of them don't get the off the ground. Most of the ones that do end up with something that's rather similar to an existing system, or ends up rather horrible
01:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> true
02:12 <Spaceshot_tm2> but like I said earlier, I'm not the biggest fan of what I've seen so far in games
02:20 <Mekkis> in other words, you're going to be using Rule 0 a lot more that you normally would, and the players wouldn't know if you were changing the rules, or house ruling something
03:12 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'd probably have a write up done (even if small) and explain to the players that the game and rules will be using that write up for the current session
06:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> I know you're being realistic
06:32 <Spaceshot_tm2> but you have to push yourself and blah blah blah blah blah you get what I'm saying
07:26 <Avatar> Mekkis: are you cool to have conditions added to diebot
07:51 <Avatar> !condition blinded
07:52 <Avatar> or something
08:13 <Avatar> if so I can help you do most of the legwork, just need to know what format 
08:56 <Mekkis> sure
09:02 <Mekkis> add them to the database
09:06 <Mekkis> damn
09:07 <Mekkis> tunnel
09:15 <Mekkis> actually QSBS
09:26 <Avatar> let me know what format
22:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> mekkis, should I bother making a catch all roleplaying game or a specific direction roleplaying game?
34:55 <Mekkis> INSERT INTO CONDITIONS(name, effect, modifiers) VALUES('Dead', 'The character''s hit points are reduced to a negative amount equal to his Constitution score, his Constitution drops to 0, or he is killed outright by a spell or effect. The character''s soul leaves his body. Dead characters cannot benefit from normal or magical healing, but they can be restored to life via magic. A dead body decays normally unless magically preserved, but magic that r
34:55 <Mekkis> estores a dead character to life also restores the body either to full health or to its condition at the time of death (depending on the spell or device). Either way, resurrected characters need not worry about rigor mortis, decomposition, and other conditions that affect dead bodies.', 'No actions, cannot be healed, soul leaves body');
36:02 <Mekkis> INSERT INTO CONDITIONS(name, effect, modifiers) VALUES('Dazed', 'The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC', 'No actions');
38:57 <Mekkis> stupid wireless
50:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> how many stat's are too few and how many are too many?
50:49 <MekkisScreen> that's one too many apostrophes
51:22 <Spaceshot_tm2> didn't notice it was there
51:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> still
51:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> the question is the same
52:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> how many stats are too few and how many are too many?
52:45 <Ballig> don't think you can really break a system down like that
53:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> no you can't
53:30 <Ballig> I don't believe you can just say "a good system should have between 4 and 8 stats". it's all about how it works together
53:41 <Spaceshot_tm2> I know
53:42 <Ballig> maybe 4 will be too few, if the system doesn't support it well
53:47 <Spaceshot_tm2> still there are the extremes
53:48 <Ballig> maybe 4 will be too many if it doesn't support THAT well
53:57 <Spaceshot_tm2> like you don't want 1 stat nor 20
54:20 <Ballig> why don't you want 1 stat
54:22 <Ballig> some games are statless
54:45 <Spaceshot_tm2> yes there are
54:45 <Ballig> 20 stats is fine if it's done well and the system supports it in every other way
54:51 <Spaceshot_tm2> but being statless and 1 stat are different
54:56 <Ballig> not really
54:59 <Ballig> it's only 1 stat difference
55:34 <Ballig> what if that stat is "sanity"
55:42 <Ballig> and it's a psychological horror
56:23 <Spaceshot_tm2> would you count hp as a stat in dnd?
56:48 <Ballig> I probably wouldn't, others likely would
59:03 <Spaceshot_tm2> mmk
09:53 <Mekkis> why not do away with stats altogether
11:13 <Spaceshot_tm2> would be useful
11:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> I haven't tried yet, but they have been very very annoying to work with
13:16 <Spaceshot_tm2> not sure how it'd work for a hack 'n' slash style game (like dnd, tunnels and trolls, warhammer fantasy, shadowrun to some extent)
13:25 <Spaceshot_tm2> but it could work
13:48 <Ballig> Mekkis: what's your definition of stats
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23:28 <Thelen> WHAT
25:24 <Ballig> spaceshot will never create a new system
25:45 <Thelen> not a popular one
26:01 <Thelen> he's far better off with just making his own sessions
27:00 <Ballig> it seems like he's trying to dissect an RPG system to the same degree you might do a computer game
28:17 <Thelen> hmm
41:10 <Ballig> he's not very smart
41:35 <snypt> he is far better off setting himself on fire 
41:42 <snypt> he will entertain more people that way
41:53 <Thelen> XD
41:56 <Ballig> I would actually pay him for that
42:02 <Thelen> oooh briana, you are so cute
42:08 <Ballig> is that your sister
42:13 <Thelen> no
42:15 <Thelen> evigan
42:24 <Ballig> evigan is your sister?
42:28 <Thelen> no
42:33 <Thelen> briana evigan, actress
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42:48 <Ballig> I think you just made that up
42:50 <Thelen> shhhh, he's back
42:58 <Brunius> What?
42:58 <Thelen> made what up
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43:08 <Thelen> shhh, *he's back*&
43:13 <Thelen> hai Brunius trollin u
43:35 <Brunius> Mekkis, does diebot dump his logs anywhere?
43:43 <Thelen> in the toilet?
44:53 <Thelen> http://www.clattoverata.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/briana-evigan-sexy4.jpg
45:11 <Ballig> eh
51:36 <Brunius> ^
51:57 <snypt> average
53:18 <Spaceshot_tm2> meh
47:08 <Brunius> Just spotted a 360 for $99
47:12 <Brunius> Not sure if want...
47:29 <Mekkis> Brunius.....
47:35 <Mekkis> %startlog
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47:42 <Mekkis> hmmm
49:26 NickOP sets mode +r Mekkis
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49:32 <Mekkis> %startlog
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50:30 <Mekkis> %startlog
50:31 <diebot> Mekkis, Logging started to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/20111219-114846.txt
50:36 <Mekkis> %endloglog
50:39 <Mekkis> %endlog
50:40 <diebot> Mekkis, Stopping public logging.
50:47 <Mekkis> like that Brunius?
52:50 <Brunius> Yep
58:32 <Brunius> http://chzscience.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/funny-science-news-experiments-memes-please-tell-me-someone-is-on-defense.jpg
09:37 <snypt> now when we talk shit about anyone they will be able to check
09:47 <snypt> going to have to watch what we say with big brother in here
09:50 <snypt> =P
12:28 <Brunius> Any limit to the size of the log, Mekkis?
12:40 <Mekkis> not really
12:41 <Mekkis> why?
12:50 <Mekkis> planning on turning on logging then spamming the channel?
12:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm guessing about a few hundred gig
13:01 <Brunius> I didn't say that, Mekkis
13:06 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, you're wrong :)
13:12 <Brunius> Spaceshot: ~ two years of these guys is only 30mb
13:26 <Brunius> a bit over
13:46 <Mekkis> actually
13:56 <Mekkis> the internal log is 25MB
14:01 <Spaceshot_tm2> brunius, there is still a limit
14:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> it doesn't have to be reachable
14:12 <Spaceshot_tm2> but it's there
14:17 <Mekkis> (the pathfinder db is 15mb)
14:25 <Brunius> The sky's the limit, Spaceshot
14:30 <Mekkis> there doesn't need to be a limit
14:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> I dunno, there is a limit
15:15 <Mekkis> yes, but there doesn't need to be
15:38 <Spaceshot_tm2> no, there is no need for a limit
15:40 <Mekkis> (fyi, the partition that /srv/www/htdocs is on is about 7GB)
15:53 <Mekkis> !recentsheets
15:55 <diebot> Mekkis, 2011-12-18 05:02 328 Tasiv
15:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2011-12-18 02:03 280 Mellon
15:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2011-12-14 15:12 330 Toro
15:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2011-12-12 11:49 329 Artimus
15:56 <diebot> Mekkis, 2011-12-11 08:37 327 Hitomi
16:04 <Mekkis> !history Mellon
16:12 <Mekkis> IDENTIFY
16:14 <Mekkis> !history Mellon
16:37 <Spaceshot_tm2> brunius, how long till you don't have a bed time/off comp time?
16:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> or it is at least inproved from 10
16:50 <Mekkis> !diff 280 r78
16:51 <diebot> Mekkis, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/280r78.txt
17:29 <Mekkis> ooh
17:36 <Mekkis> Avatar's been fudging his HP!
17:41 <Mekkis> tsk tsk
19:28 <Brunius> Spaceshot, I haven't got any school until Febuary now
19:35 <Brunius> So I don't think anyone will really care
20:11 <Spaceshot_tm2> I'm not going to start DMing till late feb early march XD
20:21 <Brunius> :S
20:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> soo...
20:36 <Mekkis> Brunius, did you make it to GG last weekend?
20:42 <Brunius> Nope Mekkis
20:47 <Mekkis> pity
20:52 <Brunius> Had to go Christmas shopping
21:17 <Brunius> (I went shopping there for christmas presents there today anyway
21:19 <Brunius> )
21:30 <Mekkis> "It doesn't matter how sincere it is" / "nor how heartfelt the spirit."
21:51 <Mekkis> "Sentiment will not endear it" / "All that matters is The Price"
22:07 <Brunius> Sounds like they were in Jackson's Whole
22:22 <Mekkis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZR3lJobjw
28:18 <snypt> Avatar
33:30 <Avatar> what
33:45 <snypt> u got a minecraft server up anymore?
33:55 <Avatar> no, I can put it up if you want
34:07 <Avatar> or I can send the world over
34:27 <Avatar> what's wrong with my hp, which character
35:06 <Mekkis> Die, bot
35:08 diebot has quit (Quit: Mekkis shot me :()
35:20 <Avatar> ??
35:25 <Mekkis> I can try hosting one
35:30 <Mekkis> stress-test the VPS
35:34 <snypt> nah thats cool i wasnt sure if anyone was still playing i can just make up a single player world 
35:34 <Avatar> which character mekkis
35:39 <Mekkis> 280
35:41 <Mekkis> Mellon
35:46 <Avatar> and what's wrong
36:44 <Avatar> impossible to have fudged it, I've got the auditing info right there
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37:38 <Mekkis> !feat toughness
37:39 <diebot> Mekkis, +3 hit points, +1 per Hit Die beyond 3
37:51 <Mekkis> ^
37:52 <Brunius> I'm still playing, snypt
37:59 <Brunius> I can't host a server though
38:04 <Brunius> My firewall is still being a bitch
38:21 <Avatar> you hadn't logged on in a while brunius, that's why I took it down
39:20 <snypt> well if mekkis or avatar want to put one up it would be pretty good to play again
39:42 <Avatar> maybe send over your world to mekkis
39:47 <Avatar> it's better than mine
40:48 <Mekkis> 2011-12-19 12:41:51 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.8.1
40:53 <Mekkis> that's out of date right?
41:03 <snypt> yeah
41:03 <Brunius> 1.8.1 is deprecated, that's correct
41:10 <Brunius> We're up to 1.0.0
41:38 <snypt> my world is dead i can only put that one back up if i renew that subscription
41:50 <snypt> if you want to put one up just do a random seed
41:59 <Mekkis> ok
42:02 <Mekkis> one's up
42:07 <snypt> all the new worlds generate so much better than they did in the beta
42:33 <snypt> ip?
42:33 <Mekkis> 188.227.181.35:25565
42:40 <Mekkis> !feat Additional Traits
42:41 <diebot> Mekkis, You have more traits than normal
42:52 <Mekkis> !feat Weapon Focus
42:53 <diebot> Mekkis, +1 bonus on attack rolls with one weapon
43:10 <Mekkis> !feat Pick your poison
43:39 <Spaceshot_tm2> !feat Pick Your Poison
43:40 <Mekkis> should probably put some feedback in there
43:48 <Mekkis> for "No feat found"
44:08 <Brunius> It's night :S
44:08 <Mekkis> !feat Extra gno
44:14 <Mekkis> !feat Gnome
44:30 <Mekkis> how does one type as a server?
45:14 <Brunius> You type /give Ben141 1 64
48:03 <Avatar> type /kill ben141 
48:26 <Brunius> Doesn't work like that
48:39 <Brunius> And I forgot you don't use / in the console
52:32 <Mekkis> 17553 ken       20   0  728m 249m 7748 S   23 12.5   2:57.60 java
53:02 <Mekkis> !feat spell penetration
53:03 <diebot> Mekkis, +2 bonus on level checks to beat spell resistance
53:19 <Mekkis> !feat warped mind
53:20 <diebot> Mekkis, Cause damage to creatures that attempt to read your mind, along with improving your initiative and Will saves in exchange for a penalty on Intelligence based skill checks.
53:25 <Avatar> !feat precise shot
53:25 <diebot> Avatar, No cover or concealment chance on ranged attacks
53:38 <Avatar> are they all in?
53:46 <Mekkis> more or less
54:05 <Mekkis> should I do the same for traits?
54:33 <Avatar> don't know if you'd ever need to recall that info
54:43 <Mekkis> but yeah
54:51 <Mekkis> you added 4 HP for toughness on Mellon
54:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> I think you'd need to recall the actual data of the feat
55:08 <Spaceshot_tm2> not the short text in the list of feats in the books
55:26 <Avatar> yeah I noticed it now
55:30 <Mekkis> I disagree
55:36 <Spaceshot_tm2> because warped mind makes no sence
55:42 <Mekkis> the player should ALWAYS check the source
55:42 <Spaceshot_tm2> I have no idea what the numbers are
56:05 <Mekkis> the PLAYER should ALWAYS check the source
56:08 <Avatar> the whole point is to not check the source
56:13 <Spaceshot_tm2> yup
56:17 <Spaceshot_tm2> avatar nailed it
56:19 <Mekkis> ok
56:24 <Avatar> so with uh
56:27 <Avatar> INSERT INTO CONDITIONS(name, effect, modifiers) VALUES('Dazed', 'The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC', 'No actions');
56:31 <Mekkis> if you give me a database with full feat text, I'll put it in
56:33 <Avatar> that first part
56:42 <Avatar> name,effect,modifiers
56:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> I bet there is one
56:50 <Mekkis> they're column names
56:52 <Avatar> can you give me an example
56:58 <Mekkis> that is an example
56:59 <Avatar> er
57:02 <Mekkis> the DDL is:
57:20 <Avatar> is that actually how you want it written out
57:30 <Avatar> or is that whatever diebot uses to recall it
57:39 <Mekkis> that's exactly how I want it written
57:43 <Mekkis> one condition per line
58:00 <Avatar> I was going to use full text of the condition
58:20 <Avatar> (unlike what feats has) :P
58:21 <Mekkis> put that in effect
58:34 <Avatar> so what is values
58:46 <Avatar> like under VALUES it has 'Dazed'
58:47 <Mekkis> it's standard SQL insert syntax
58:54 <Avatar> but you're suggesting I put it under name as well ?
59:03 <Avatar> oh wait, I get it
59:07 <Mekkis> that line is an example
59:10 <Mekkis> Dazed is the name
59:20 <Mekkis> 'The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC' is the effect
59:28 <Mekkis> 'No actions' is the modifier
59:36 <Avatar> so the syntax for every condition always begins with INSERT INTO CONDITIONS (name, effect, modifiers)
59:46 <Mekkis> VALUES(
59:47 <Mekkis> yes
59:53 <Avatar> can I make it just name,effect
00:00 <Avatar> since modifiers are part of the effect
00:00 <Mekkis> no
00:04 <Spaceshot_tm2> guess he hasn't done mySQL before
00:10 <Spaceshot_tm2> or SQL in general
00:11 <Mekkis> I'm not using mySQL
00:17 <Mekkis> (this is sqlite)
00:29 <Spaceshot_tm2> yea I just realised when I typed mySQL
00:46 <Spaceshot_tm2> still, same shit different GUI
00:49 <Avatar> so what do I put for modiifers then, just ""
00:50 <Mekkis> what?
01:00 <Mekkis> put a brief modifier
01:16 <Spaceshot_tm2> if you want the modifier to be blank I guess
01:21 <Mekkis> it's useful to know that dazzled means -1 to attack
01:24 <Avatar> I don't understand 
01:30 <Avatar> but the effect will say that
01:34 <Mekkis> I know
01:42 <Mekkis> but the effect will say a lot more
01:43 <Avatar> how does diebot communicate this
01:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> !conditions Dazed
01:49 <Avatar> I thought it was just trigger and response
01:53 <Spaceshot_tm2> !Conditions Dazed
01:54 <Spaceshot_tm2> bah
01:56 <Avatar> so how is there 3 columns
01:57 <Mekkis> to start with
02:13 <Spaceshot_tm2> he means why is there a 3rd column
02:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> unless it's like !con dazed shows the modifier
03:07 <Spaceshot_tm2> but !condition dazed shows the effect instead
03:11 <Mekkis> because if someone is dazzled and entangled, it's nice to see -4 to dex, -2 to attack, -1 to attack
03:25 <Mekkis> rather than:
03:44 <Mekkis> The character is ensnared. Being entangled impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by an opposing force. An entangled creature moves at half speed, cannot run or charge, and takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls and a –4 penalty to Dexterity. An entangled character who attempts to cast a spell must make a concentration check (DC 15 + spell level) or lose the spell.
03:45 <Mekkis> The creature is unable to see well because of overstimulation of the eyes. A dazzled creature takes a –1 penalty on attack rolls and sight-based Perception checks.
04:01 <Avatar> so if I do !condition dazed
04:04 <Avatar> what will come up
04:09 <Avatar> specifically
04:21 <Mekkis> The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC
04:36 <Mekkis> I'm preparing for future functionality
04:39 <Avatar> so where is the modifiers part there
04:46 <Avatar> righto
04:52 <Avatar> okay
05:06 <Mekkis> I might want to store conditions against a character
05:08 <Avatar> text format, yeah
05:15 <Spaceshot_tm2> he is doing it the right way
05:29 <Mekkis> oh, and if you're using apostrophes, they should be doubled
05:44 <Mekkis> (ie: it's becomes it''s
05:53 <Avatar> is there a way to force a new line
06:00 <Mekkis> it's an SQL thing
06:08 <Avatar> grappled is two paragraphs
06:08 <Mekkis> why would you want to do that?
06:20 <Avatar> same with a couple of others
06:20 <Mekkis> yeah
06:26 <Mekkis> just put a newline in there
06:35 <Avatar> ok
06:36 <Spaceshot_tm2> avatar, it's not best to force a newline
06:46 <Avatar> even for a paragraph?
06:50 <Spaceshot_tm2> because different people use different irc formating and sizes
06:58 <Mekkis> Spaceshot_tm2, some of the data in the database is rather horrible :S
07:12 <Avatar> okay
07:15 <Avatar> I'll avoid them then
07:25 <Avatar> a quick glance doesn't suggest it's really necessary anyway
08:05 <Mekkis> diebot will insert a newline every 300 or so lines
08:08 <Mekkis> characters*
09:02 <Mekkis> there are HTML statblocks in the database
09:07 <Mekkis> !reincarnate35
09:08 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 51: Half-elf 
09:11 <Mekkis> !reincarnate30
09:12 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 84: Pixie 
09:28 <Brunius> Get in here Avatar
09:33 <Mekkis> !reincarnate35
09:35 <diebot> Mekkis, Roll: 100:Spectre
11:29 <Avatar> er, what's the ip
12:28 <Avatar> 188.227.181.35:25565
12:46 <Mekkis> yeah
12:47 <Mekkis> that
13:23 <Brunius> You play Magic over the internets, don't you, Mekkis?
13:28 <Mekkis> occasionally
13:31 <Spaceshot_tm2> ooooo
13:33 <Spaceshot_tm2> that could be fun
13:40 <Spaceshot_tm2> but brunius, you'll have to download a fuckloads
13:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> fuckton*
14:04 <Avatar> Brunius what the hell man
14:10 <Avatar> ask me to join and then disconnect just before I do
15:27 <Spaceshot_tm2> wouldn't mind playing that again
15:34 <Spaceshot_tm2> who else here played magic mekkis?
18:30 <Avatar> I played a game online with ballig
18:35 <Avatar> but I sucked and lost every time so I stopped
18:43 <Spaceshot_tm2> haha
18:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> no wonder you like minecraft :P
19:08 <Avatar> how does that work
19:44 <Spaceshot_tm2> you can't really suck at minecraft, and there is no losing either
20:01 <Avatar> I guess
20:06 <Avatar> I don't really like losing
20:30 <Avatar> I'll opt to choose easy over normal if I think normal will give me too much challenge
20:37 <Avatar> I prefer to just get through it than to sweat over it
20:41 <Spaceshot_tm2> hahaha
20:55 <Spaceshot_tm2> suprised you don't quit dnd sometimes
21:11 <Avatar> only one of my PFS characters has died :|
23:35 <Brunius> Heh
23:45 <Brunius> I'm surprised Kaleb hasn't died of chronic fail yet
24:27 <Avatar> Mekkis: is it okay if I leave a line between each condition
24:31 <Avatar> or will that break it
24:37 <Avatar> (for readability)
24:53 <Mekkis> sure
24:55 <Brunius> It'll just return lines instead of conditions :P
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25:04 <Avatar> it's not part of it
25:10 <Mekkis> you can add as many lines as you want, as long as they're outside quotes
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25:24 <Spaceshot_tm2> nothing wrong with losing
25:28 <Mekkis> (remember a semicolon at the end of each "line")
25:40 <Mekkis> it's been a while since I've played magic
25:52 <Spaceshot_tm2> I think last time I played was in here
26:43 <Avatar> yeah I thought the semicolon would take care of it
28:33 <Brunius> Gotta sleep, apparently
28:35 <Brunius> Night yo
31:20 <Avatar> gg, apparently
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42:35 <Mekkis> nice
42:39 <Mekkis> downloading at 3MB/s
46:26 <Mekkis> still need IPv6 here though
13:20 <Avatar> I'm really not sure modifiers is going to be worth it 
13:28 <Avatar> blinded is almost the entire description anyway
13:43 <Mekkis> what is blinded?
13:54 <Avatar> INSERT INTO CONDITIONS(name, effect, modifiers) VALUES('Blinded', 'The creature cannot see. It takes a –2 penalty to 
13:55 <Avatar> Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any), and takes a –4 penalty on most Strength- and Dexterity-based skill checks and on opposed Perception skill checks. All checks and activities that rely on vision (such as reading and Perception  checks based on sight) automatically fail. All opponents are considered to have total concealment (50% miss chance) against the blinded character. 
13:55 <Avatar> Blind creatures must make a DC 10 Acrobatics skill check to move faster than half speed. Creatures that fail this check fall prone. Characters who remain blinded for a long time grow accustomed to these drawbacks and can overcome some of them.', '-2 to AC, lose dex bonus to AC, -4 to most str and dex skills,-4 to opposed perception, automatic fail on perception to see or vision-based checks, all 
13:55 <Avatar> opponents have 50% miss chance, DC 10 acrobatics to move faster than half speed (fall prone on fail)');
14:27 <Avatar> getting blinded is bad :P
14:36 <Mekkis> what matters in combat?
14:47 <Mekkis> -2 to AC, no dex bonus
14:48 <Avatar> potentially any of it
15:01 <Mekkis> -2 to AC, no dex bonus, half speed
15:10 <Avatar> it's not enforced half speed
15:18 <Avatar> you can try move at full speed with high acrobatics
15:32 <Mekkis> it's enough for a summary
15:50 <Avatar> but it leaves out critical information
16:01 <Mekkis> that's ok
16:12 <Avatar> what's the purpose of the modifiers bit going to be exactly if you can leave out info like that
16:53 <Mekkis> as a DM, it's useful
17:43 <Avatar> I dunno man
17:53 <Avatar> I wouldn't like to know half the story thinking I have the full story
17:59 <Avatar> that's counter productive
20:55 <Mekkis> then it should carry a disclaimer then
21:57 <Avatar> why bother carrying a disclaimer when you can read a short paragraph
23:41 <Avatar> the broken condition is damn interesting, I didn't know stuff could get broken without being destroyed
24:04 <Avatar> I knew it about guns, but I thought it was limited to guns
28:20 <Avatar> I'll also add the bit about what happens to a broken firearm, even though it's not in the core rulebook
32:42 <Mekkis> would it be better to have a generic dictionary?
33:59 <Avatar> confused has a bloody table in it
34:13 <Avatar> what do you mean a generic dictionary
38:45 <Avatar> what is the point in rolling d% when there is an equal 1 in 4 chance of each effect occuring? why not a 1d4
44:14 <Avatar> I'm probably going to start to make an attempt on writing a scenario fairly soon
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