// #d&d — 2011-12-09
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00:00:26 <Avatar> :)
00:03:16 thallos21 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
00:03:45 <thallos21> hi
00:03:58 <thallos21> i'm kinda new here, a noob
00:04:34 <thallos21> how does this works exsactly, just want to play DND..
00:07:40 <thallos21> anyone home??
00:10:56 <Avatar> hey
00:10:59 <Avatar> you in australia?
00:14:34 <thallos21> nope
00:14:46 <thallos21> so its only available in australia??
00:24:25 <Avatar> no
00:24:28 <Avatar> what time is it there
00:24:41 <Avatar> it's 1.24am here
00:24:46 <thallos21> 10:30 pm
00:24:51 <Avatar> and we play on weekends our time mostly at 10am
00:24:57 <Avatar> so for you that's umm
00:25:10 <Avatar> 6am?
00:25:19 <Avatar> can you play a 4 hour game at 6am
00:25:33 <Avatar> on a weekly basis
00:26:15 <thallos21> sure if its weekends
00:26:26 <Avatar> yeah
00:26:40 <Avatar> have you played before
00:26:51 <thallos21> i'm in manila, were you at??
00:27:36 <thallos21> actually i've been playing for 7years now DND 3.5,.
00:29:17 <thallos21> but i'm new here how does combat work here?
00:29:30 <thallos21> how can we know the rolls??
00:29:34 <Avatar> !throw 1d20
00:29:35 <diebot> Avatar, 1d20: [1d20=1] 1
00:29:49 <Avatar> we have a program for the combat which you'll need to download
00:29:55 <Avatar> go to http://dnd.ballig.net
00:29:58 <Avatar> and click on getting started
00:30:44 <thallos21> i've download the CA but still figuring out how it works..
00:31:01 <Avatar> when a game is actually on
00:31:07 <Avatar> you connect to the DM's ip address
00:31:12 <Avatar> and then they control the grid
00:31:29 <thallos21> thats what links in the address
00:31:34 <thallos21> wow cool
00:32:17 <thallos21> so i dont need to roll my dice here
00:32:18 <Avatar> we play pathfinder
00:32:23 <Avatar> which is an upgraded version of 3.5
00:32:30 <Avatar> get a rulebook and a character sheet template
00:32:31 <thallos21> ow
00:32:35 <Avatar> off that getting started page
00:32:40 <Avatar> and the pathfinder society guide
00:32:45 <Avatar> follow chapter 2 of the pathfinder society guide
00:32:46 <thallos21> ok still downloading it as we chat
00:34:11 <thallos21> ok, so can i join these coming weekend??
00:34:35 <Avatar> maybe
00:34:42 <Avatar> you have to be here for any chance to play
00:34:48 <Avatar> if you're not here, you don't play for sure
00:34:59 <thallos21> ahh ok,.
00:35:20 <thallos21> wat campaign are the DM's running??
00:35:30 <Avatar> mate get a character first
00:35:33 <Avatar> then we'll talk about campaigns
00:35:42 <thallos21> ok on it..
00:36:31 <Avatar> I will create you an account for the site once you decide on a name for your character
00:37:25 <thallos21> ok i'll read the pathfinder rulebook first, tnx
00:37:48 <Avatar> chapter 2 of the pathfinder society guide is what you want
00:37:57 <Avatar> it'll refer you to the main rulebook
00:38:04 <Avatar> but it's a step by step on how to create a character for PFS
00:39:26 <thallos21> how bout the hydraIRC i've downloaded, so we wont use it??
00:39:46 <Avatar> use a client
00:39:49 <Avatar> don't use mibbit if you can help it
00:39:57 <Avatar> either hydra or mirc or something else
00:40:48 <thallos21> i cant seem to get connected on hydra, been trying it earlier
00:41:01 <Avatar> do /server irc.austnet.org
00:41:07 <Avatar> if that doesn't work, do it on mirc instead
00:42:52 <thallos21> yes i got in finally
00:45:52 <thallos21> see you later dude tnx,
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03:10:06 <canine> anyone around?
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07:15:27 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 10am (Mekkis) | CoTE: Sun 10am || All times AEDT (UTC+11:00), CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE | http://dnd.ballig.net/newbie_guide.htm
07:15:27 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Sun Dec 4 10:32:25 2011
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09:50:03 <canine> hey
09:54:41 <Avatar> yo
09:54:46 <Avatar> you workaholic
09:56:15 <canine> lol, hardly
10:05:02 <Avatar> I wonder if we can get a few games going where we assume we don't die
10:05:20 <Avatar> then at some point we will have 2-hour game after 2-hour game of final encounters and just getting experience
10:09:12 <Avatar> have you guys seen the 10c apps in the android market
10:09:21 <Avatar> they seem to have 10 apps that change each day
10:11:00 <canine> nah I haven't
10:11:02 <canine> anything good?
10:11:26 <Avatar> it's for apps that have been downloaded 100,000+ times
10:14:08 <Avatar> or 10,000+
10:14:37 <Avatar> for 10c you can't really go wrong
10:14:42 <canine> yeah
10:14:47 <Avatar> you can use it for something like 15 minutes and get a refund if that's too much
10:19:51 <Avatar> Mekkis: canine's not here this saturday
10:19:56 <Avatar> Ballig: but is here this sunday
10:20:07 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean? assume we don't die?
10:20:23 <Avatar> well if we don't die we can run several games at once
10:20:56 <MekkisScreen> I generally assume my characters don't die
10:21:05 <Avatar> your characters don't die
10:27:17 <MekkisScreen> I'm just that good :)
10:35:35 <Avatar> just that good with your roc mount and your +21 to diplomacy
10:35:42 <Avatar> what do your other power builds have
10:38:38 <MekkisScreen> it's not your power, it's how you use it
10:38:52 <Avatar> says you with the roc mount and your +21 to diplomacy :P
10:39:31 <MekkisScreen> Mytiazair bravely cowers behind everyone else
10:41:55 <Avatar> persuading people they should get in front for the greater good
10:42:03 <Avatar> isn't there a faction for that
10:47:47 <Avatar> silver crusade, lolllll
10:48:25 <Avatar> if I were roleplaying my faction, I would probably always choose sczarni
11:06:45 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean "IF"?
11:06:55 <MekkisScreen> you should ALWAYS roleplay your faction
11:24:09 <MekkisScreen> note that whatever your faction, my characters will generally not go out of their way to help you achieve it unless you give them a good reason
11:24:22 <MekkisScreen> and "it's my faction mission is NOT a good reason"
11:25:30 <MekkisScreen> I was quite disgusted with your andoran character (Mellon?) leaking Andoran secrets to the Taldans simply because he asked for it
11:26:21 <Avatar> I normally just roleplay my character's traits
11:26:41 <Avatar> he was part of my party
11:26:51 <Avatar> he helps me attain my andoran goals, I help his attain his taldor goals
11:26:54 <Avatar> that's the unspoken agreement
11:26:58 <MekkisScreen> that would be like me saying to Ballig "The Japanese embassy wants a copy of the last ten sensitive documents that have landed on your desk. Please email them to me, ok?"
11:27:22 <Avatar> yeah but in return I could ask for taldoran sensitive documents and he would get them for me
11:27:44 <MekkisScreen> except that Andoran broke off from Taldor about a century ago, and they're at odds with each other
11:28:00 <Avatar> then we shouldn't be adventuring together at all
11:28:04 <Avatar> but here we are
11:28:28 <MekkisScreen> you'd probably need to substitute "Pakistani" for "Japanese" in the previous sentence
11:29:19 <MekkisScreen> hey, if I was a Pakistani, you'd still play with me, right?
11:29:56 <Avatar> are you serious
11:30:03 <Avatar> I wouldn't play with you if I was at odds with you
11:30:19 <Avatar> tristen: roll up a character !!
11:30:24 <MekkisScreen> would you play with me if your country was at odds with my country?
11:30:41 <Avatar> NOPE
11:30:55 <Avatar> your faction isn't who you are, don't forget
11:31:00 <Avatar> you don't have to be 101% loyal to it
11:31:06 <MekkisScreen> I know
11:31:06 <Avatar> you just have to meet its ends
11:31:08 <tristen> lolol ok
11:31:11 <Avatar> which you do with that unspoken agreement
11:31:17 <Avatar> tristen: have you played before
11:31:18 <MekkisScreen> but that's no reason to betray it
11:31:23 <tristen> many years ago
11:31:32 <Avatar> it certainly is reason to betray it temporarily
11:31:33 <tristen> getting up to speed with 3.5 atm
11:31:49 <Avatar> if it means your faction mission can't be complete without their faction mission being complete
11:32:02 <tristen> can i get on a mailing list?
11:32:03 <Avatar> tristen: we play pathfinder here
11:32:14 <Avatar> I'll set you up with an account, sec
11:32:18 <tristen> awesome
11:32:44 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: but in this case, it didn't mean that
11:33:15 <MekkisScreen> (there are some cases where two faction missions are asking for the same thing (often it's just "kill this guy"))
11:34:01 <MekkisScreen> Mellon's aiding of Bob in leaking Andoran documents had nothing to do with Mellon's faction mission
11:34:15 <Avatar> for the sake of the game, it can be easily assumed that our characters will hold to it regardless of whether it works for that scenario or not
11:34:39 <Avatar> on a "you scratch my back now, i'll scratch yours later" mindset
11:34:41 <MekkisScreen> hold to what?
11:34:54 <Avatar> hold to the unspoken agreement
11:34:58 <MekkisScreen> why make that assumption
11:35:00 <Avatar> if you want to be an ass you can do it your way
11:35:05 <MekkisScreen> why not roleplay it out?
11:35:10 <Avatar> because we all want to complete our faction missions
11:35:18 <Avatar> rather than be screwed over by other players
11:35:26 <Avatar> it's more fun
11:35:37 <Avatar> that's why I say for the sake of the game
11:35:48 <Avatar> your way is perfectly legitimate, but I don't want to make it less fun for other people
11:36:08 <MekkisScreen> it's a roleplaying game, and you're saying it's better "for the sake of the game" to roleplay LESS?
11:36:20 <Avatar> yes, in this case
11:36:24 <Avatar> it's not really roleplaying less
11:36:40 <Avatar> my reasoning still stands as 100% roleplay
11:37:34 <Avatar> your characters always do really have the option to screw over other players even considering it
11:37:46 <Avatar> but as players, it's ideal not to
11:38:29 <MekkisScreen> the philosophy is that you're expected to succeed about 0.4 to 0.7 faction missions per scenario
11:38:35 <MekkisScreen> (at least for season 3 scenarios)
11:38:44 <Avatar> I don't know what that's based on
11:38:51 <Avatar> surely not "I don't have the skill so I can't complete it"
11:38:56 <MekkisScreen> WBL
11:39:04 <Avatar> what is WBL
11:40:00 <MekkisScreen> wealth by level
11:40:20 <Avatar> how does wealth come into it
11:40:51 <Avatar> all the ones I've seen are to do something using a skill or to just pick something up or make a change to something or to kill someone
11:41:13 <Avatar> tristen: did you get my pm
11:41:19 <MekkisScreen> that's all prestige/fame is for
11:41:32 <Avatar> man
11:41:35 <Avatar> it buys you resurrects as well
11:41:42 <MekkisScreen> so?
11:42:16 <MekkisScreen> (hint: don't die, then you don't need them)
11:42:18 <Avatar> so taking longer to get a spare resurrect is a great example of how it makes it more of a pain for other players to play out their characters
11:42:29 <Avatar> yeah says you with the roc mount and +21 to diplomacy :P
11:42:43 <MekkisScreen> Mytiazair has neither
11:42:52 <Avatar> what does mytiazair have
11:43:14 <Avatar> mytiazair's sheet is not on the site
11:43:17 <Avatar> how convenient !
11:43:18 <MekkisScreen> low HP, low AC, a bunch of stuff that isn't very good,
11:43:22 <Avatar> upload that biatch
11:43:44 <tristen> avatar: yep, ta - trying it now...
11:45:21 <MekkisScreen> and a hell of a liability as he was created to exploit a rule that got erratad :)
11:45:44 <Avatar> which rule
11:45:56 <Avatar> heirloom weapon?
11:45:57 <MekkisScreen> metamagiced cantrips
11:46:01 <Avatar> ha
11:46:10 <Avatar> well that's what his thing is then !
11:46:25 <MekkisScreen> specifically quickened acid splash + sneak attack
11:46:45 <Avatar> and you can't say "he doesn't die" if you spent most of his experience by getting DM experience instead of player experience on him :P
11:46:55 <MekkisScreen> nope
11:47:00 <MekkisScreen> almost all of it is player XP
11:47:06 <MekkisScreen> and he's level 9 now
11:47:22 <MekkisScreen> he's survived two contacts with Matt!
11:48:07 <Avatar> who is matt
11:48:15 <Avatar> is he darkest vengeance guy
11:48:22 <MekkisScreen> no
11:48:28 <MekkisScreen> he's Matt Goodall
11:48:46 <MekkisScreen> Cult of Ebon Destroyers guy
11:48:52 <Avatar> whenever you talk about surviving people I don't know, I always assume you're talking about darkest vengeance guy
11:48:58 <MekkisScreen> wrote most of the background of katapesh
11:49:01 <MekkisScreen> he lives in Melbourne
11:49:37 <Avatar> have I met him
11:49:49 <Avatar> I don't know what cult of ebon destroyers is
11:49:56 <Avatar> why would you think I'd know that :P
11:50:10 <MekkisScreen> yes
11:51:41 <Avatar> who is he
11:51:48 <MekkisScreen> he ran it at Conquest
11:51:53 <Avatar> give me something I'd actually know him by :P
11:52:37 <Avatar> I don't know too many people from the cons
11:52:48 <Avatar> I could name darkwhite, joel, john
11:52:55 <Avatar> ummm
11:52:58 <Avatar> andre
11:53:01 <Avatar> myra
11:53:03 <MekkisScreen> Avatar: want to do First Steps 3 without Canine tomorrow?
11:53:13 <Avatar> jerod + hayley
11:53:16 <Avatar> yes
11:53:34 <Avatar> we should've asked him if he's okay with that, but if he doesn't come back, I'm inclined to say let's go ahead
11:53:34 <MekkisScreen> okay
11:53:52 <Avatar> I'd rather say let's assume people opt-in until they come in and say they're opting-out of having us play them
11:54:25 <MekkisScreen> I thought you said he couldn't make it
11:54:31 <Avatar> he can't make it
11:54:53 <Avatar> I'm saying we should've asked him if he's okay for us to play his character
11:54:59 <Avatar> not to ask him if he's coming (he's not)
11:55:13 <Avatar> but we're better off assuming they're okay with it
11:55:31 <Avatar> we should make that clear to people
11:55:44 <MekkisScreen> how come sessions I play in tend to finish on schedule?
11:55:46 <Avatar> unless you lot think differently
11:56:05 <Avatar> don't know?
11:56:27 <Avatar> do they
11:56:32 <MekkisScreen> yes
11:56:37 <Avatar> what do you consider on schedule
11:57:01 <Avatar> there's no real definition for finishing on schedule besides 2-3 sessions
11:57:06 <MekkisScreen> within one or two sessions
11:57:19 <Avatar> almost all of our games are 1 or 2 sessions
11:57:29 <Avatar> citadel of fire was 2
11:57:35 <Avatar> city of strangers 2 was 2
11:57:41 <Avatar> shades of ice was 1 I think?
11:57:53 <Avatar> we've done pretty well lately
11:58:04 <Avatar> the only thing I can say is skype must've sped it up
11:58:07 <Avatar> or we're choosing faster scenarios maybe
11:58:29 <MekkisScreen> or am I a slow DM?
11:58:30 <Avatar> shades of ice 2 was a 6 hour game
11:58:43 <Avatar> I don't think so
11:58:56 <Avatar> I did consider that but I can't think of anytime you do things slowly
11:59:01 <Avatar> I do push players along in my games
11:59:26 <MekkisScreen> a con game slot is typically 6 hours, five of which are considered sufficient to run the scenario
11:59:28 <Avatar> getting people on track in and out of combat is a big priority when I DM
11:59:35 <***> Buffer Playback...
11:59:35 <***> Playback Complete.
11:59:43 <tristen> http://aon.arsimagica.net/aon/task=signup_init
11:59:46 <Avatar> I still think our combat sessions could be faster
11:59:53 <tristen> that's the best i can do :D
12:00:04 <Avatar> if I can think of a good way to do it I'll put it to everyone
12:00:15 <MekkisScreen> I should try a 100% in-character approach
12:00:32 <Avatar> ha that might kill you
12:00:35 <MekkisScreen> everything you say or do is in-character
12:00:44 <MekkisScreen> not if I'm the DM :)
12:00:50 <Avatar> oh, that might kill us
12:01:02 <MekkisScreen> but it will be faster!
12:01:18 <Avatar> don't we sort of already do that
12:01:24 <MekkisScreen> no
12:01:37 <MekkisScreen> there's a lot of OOC planning and speculation
12:02:50 <Avatar> yeah but that essentially happens in character
12:03:05 <Avatar> roleplaying it out certainly won't be faster
12:03:19 <Avatar> maybe that's it, you insist on roleplay more than other DMs
12:03:39 <MekkisScreen> what a tragedy
12:03:43 <Avatar> apparently I've already registered
12:03:45 <Avatar> when did I do that
12:04:02 <MekkisScreen> perhaps that's because you roleplay less than other PCs
12:04:18 <Avatar> it's not, you want the party to roleplay it out
12:04:27 <Avatar> if I still don't have a job by late january, I could go on all 4 days
12:04:31 <Avatar> unless you are targetting me :P
12:04:49 <MekkisScreen> you guys wouldn't roleplay at all if I didn't get you to
12:04:54 <Avatar> I'm quite happy to assume the conversation happened in the interests of saving time
12:04:54 <Avatar> or I could end up working weekends for all I know
12:05:03 <Avatar> I think we would
12:05:09 <Avatar> sometimes it's necessary or helpful
12:05:22 <Avatar> I insist players roleplay sometimes
12:05:27 <Avatar> bloody 8am starts
12:05:34 <Avatar> but I've played in your games thinking sometimes that it isn't necessary
12:05:41 <Avatar> which you would have noticed
12:05:47 <Avatar> and sometimes I've been wrong about that too
12:05:54 <Avatar> and didn't realise it at the time
12:06:22 <Mekkis> ok
12:06:39 <Avatar> it's really the player's fault if they speed up roleplay and there's some sort of missed clue because they didn't really ask about it
12:06:50 <Avatar> (in most cases)
12:07:30 <MekkisScreen> alright... I won't ask you to roleplay anything tomorrow, and we'll see how much roleplay you do
12:07:51 <MekkisScreen> you mean like asking how long your trip will be?
12:07:58 <Avatar> that's not enough, there may be none required tomorrow
12:08:10 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean "Required"
12:08:21 <MekkisScreen> it's a roleplaying game, of course roleplaying is required
12:08:25 <Avatar> like I said, sometimes it's necessary or helpful
12:08:49 <Avatar> in this contexting, when we say "roleplaying", we mean "fledging out full conversation"
12:08:55 <Avatar> we're always roleplaying in the strictest sense
12:09:23 <MekkisScreen> that's like saying "talking to coworkers doesn't need to be done, unless it's 'necessary or helpful'"
12:09:34 <Avatar> no, because the conversation still happens
12:09:36 <Avatar> you just don't see it
12:09:38 <Avatar> the session times are a bit weird
12:09:49 <Avatar> normally PFS takes up 2 sessions per scenario at a con right
12:09:55 <Avatar> but some days have 2 sessions, some have 3, some have 4
12:10:04 <Avatar> it's "hi" "hi" "how are you?" "good thanks, and you?" "yes got into a battle today but otherwise I am right as rain"
12:10:05 <Avatar> what happens on the ones with 3
12:10:10 <Avatar> vs we have some basic introductions
12:10:18 <MekkisScreen> your work still gets done if you don't talk to coworkers about weather, politics, or whatever
12:10:34 <Avatar> it's only the sunday that has 3
12:10:49 <Avatar> what
12:11:52 <MekkisScreen> I mean, striking up a conversation with your coworkers isn't REQUIRED for your job, but it's still something you do to make the office environment more livable
12:12:14 <Avatar> but the conversation still happens
12:12:19 <Avatar> read 5 lines up :P
12:13:01 <Avatar> the former takes much longer than the latter
12:13:09 <Avatar> if it's fruitless, it's a waste of time
12:13:13 <MekkisScreen> striking up a conversation with your party members helps you to understand your character, helps the other players understand your character, and their characters, and overall makes the experience less one-dimensional and lively."
12:13:25 <Avatar> if you think there's something the npc will mention, it's often better to roleplay it out
12:13:30 <Avatar> but not for the sake of pure roleplay
12:13:35 <MekkisScreen> why not?
12:13:42 <Avatar> enoough of that happens when it is necessary or helpful
12:13:49 <MekkisScreen> are you claiming that "pure roleplay" is bad?
12:13:50 <Avatar> otherwise it becomes a time waster
12:14:00 <Avatar> yes, if it ends up taking 3 sessions instead of 2
12:14:03 <MekkisScreen> no, it's a good usage of time
12:14:05 <Avatar> big yes
12:14:14 <Avatar> ask around
12:14:40 <MekkisScreen> I'd rather spend four sessions with heavy roleplay than rushing through a scenario in one session
12:14:57 <Avatar> get the concensus on that one
12:15:00 <Avatar> one of us is wrong
12:15:11 <MekkisScreen> and it's not the guy behind the screen :)
12:15:37 <Avatar> what
12:15:52 <Avatar> you and I are the most vocal about it I think
12:16:06 <Avatar> I can't say for sure what the others think about it
12:17:33 <Avatar> hmm I've got a ripe opportunity to invite one of brunius' friends to play but I'm not sure he'd condone that
12:17:53 <MekkisScreen> one of my DMing weaknesses (and one that I believe that you share with me) is that I still have problems fleshing out an NPC on the fly
12:18:19 <Avatar> yeah I am terrible at that
12:18:26 <Avatar> I can do it
12:18:33 <MekkisScreen> if you start engaging in a conversation with an NPC, that gives me an opportunity to practice
12:18:38 <Avatar> one of the npc's in LSK was fleshed out particularly well on the fly
12:18:44 <MekkisScreen> which one?
12:18:44 <Avatar> I don't remember her name
12:18:48 <Avatar> the one in Castellan's castle
12:19:06 <MekkisScreen> the item seller?
12:19:14 <Avatar> rita
12:19:15 <Avatar> yeah
12:19:22 <MekkisScreen> who made some stuff for those guys
12:19:27 <Avatar> yep
12:19:27 <MekkisScreen> who died
12:19:38 <MekkisScreen> because it was from Lord AllMyGuysDie
12:19:39 <Avatar> I think she made something for katesh
12:19:57 <Avatar> that's not fair, 'who died'
12:20:02 <Avatar> there was like 3 out of 30 left :P
12:20:40 <Avatar> that introduction the last session was pretty impressive
12:20:44 <Avatar> sometimes my memory actually works
12:20:53 <Avatar> I didn't look anything up for that and it was improvised
12:26:05 <MekkisScreen> did Lupton survive?
12:27:29 <Avatar> I don't remember
12:27:32 <Avatar> was she alive when you left her
12:27:45 <tristen> just bite the bullet and invite him!
12:27:48 <Avatar> if so, she survived
12:28:29 <Avatar> I probably should have done a better ending
12:28:31 <tristen> more = gooderer
12:28:34 <Avatar> it was a bit abrupt
12:29:17 <MekkisScreen> she was alive, but getting horribly diseased
12:29:19 <tristen> hey on the whole roleplaying thing
12:29:52 <tristen> some friends have converted to gurps because they say it's far more roleplaying-oriented
12:30:00 <tristen> but i think it's too far in that direction
12:30:47 <tristen> i prefer the structure of dnd i suppose
12:30:48 <tristen> oh btw my skype is: tristen_e
12:31:25 <tristen> but heck, isn't it up to the gm how "structured" or "loose" any given game is?
12:31:42 <tristen> gm/dm
12:33:18 <Avatar> have you played on IRC before
12:33:21 <Avatar> you seem to be too good at this
12:33:21 <Avatar> I think so
12:33:24 <Avatar> I don't remember what gurps is
12:33:49 <Avatar> also I shouldn't really just bite the bullet and invite him, because he's actually one of brunius' "facebook friends" and not necessarily a friend
12:34:37 <Avatar> another melbournite
12:34:45 <Avatar> what did you say you've played before
12:35:06 <Avatar> 3.5
12:35:55 <tristen> perhaps ask brunius to ask him?
12:36:21 <Avatar> I'm more persuasive than brunius
12:36:25 <Avatar> and it wouldn't work in this situation anyway
12:36:31 <Avatar> this opportunity is RIPE
12:36:57 <tristen> fair enough - maybe just ask him tentatively if he'd be interested
12:37:01 <Avatar> it's the difference of me being in the middle of a negotiation and him coming into an unrelated conversation afresh
12:37:13 <Avatar> yeah I will but this should be happening now
12:37:20 <Avatar> and he's not here
12:37:36 <Avatar> brunius is 15, he's at school
12:38:16 <MekkisScreen> tristen: what's your opinion regarding roleplaying?
12:38:19 <Avatar> this printer/scanner/copier I bought the other day is saving me a world of grief
12:38:33 <Avatar> let's be specific because I think we're confusing what we're talking about when we say roleplaying
12:38:39 <Avatar> is it roleplaying vs metagaming
12:38:50 <Avatar> or fleshed out conversations vs summarising conversations
12:38:58 <tristen> gosh
12:39:06 <Avatar> and thank god I got a wireless one
12:39:16 <tristen> hang on a tick...
12:39:17 <MekkisScreen> ;5~fleshed out conversations vs summarising conversations
12:41:29 <MekkisScreen> I'll give you an example in about 20 minutes...
12:41:38 <Avatar> I think it's harder to answer for someone who hasn't played on IRC before
12:41:43 <Avatar> in person it's a different story I think
12:41:55 <Avatar> it makes less of a difference one way or the other in person
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12:43:26 <tristen> oh i played back in the second edition days
12:43:42 <tristen> bigger emphasis on roleplaying for sure
12:43:46 <Avatar> you sound old
12:44:00 <tristen> lol just turned 41 the other week
12:44:09 <Avatar> wow
12:44:14 <Avatar> I am 29 and I think I'm the oldest here
12:44:29 <Avatar> I don't know how old nodwik and tashes are
12:44:40 <tristen> yeah i haven't played in years
12:44:54 <Avatar> you are in for treat, IRC gaming is the best
12:44:58 <Avatar> a* treat
12:45:07 <Avatar> well, if it's done right
12:45:10 <Avatar> most places don't
12:45:21 <Avatar> I'm actually surprised how other places don't seem to get it at all
12:45:22 <tristen> yeah i lobbed in here a while back - got waylaid for a couple of months
12:45:31 <Avatar> er, really
12:45:32 <Avatar> under what name
12:45:36 <tristen> tristen
12:45:47 <Avatar> mustn't have been here long if you didn't even have an account
12:45:55 <tristen> yeah it was just briefly one afternoon
12:46:49 <tristen> i made a mental note to self: ballig.net
12:47:31 <Avatar> nice
12:47:33 <Avatar> dnd.ballig.net
12:47:40 <tristen> yep
12:48:00 <Avatar> yeah pick up the pathfinder society guide from the getting started page on the site
12:48:11 <Avatar> and a character sheet template
12:48:20 <Avatar> and a pathfinder rulebook if you don't already have one
12:48:28 <Avatar> start at chapter 2 of the PFS guide
12:48:40 <tristen> yep i bagged that, i'm just, er, getting started
12:48:47 <tristen> the pathfinder id
12:48:52 <tristen> xxxxx-x?
12:48:59 <Avatar> yeah umm
12:48:59 <tristen> my id is 5 digit i think
12:49:03 <tristen> no matter?
12:49:06 <Avatar> on that page there's a link to create a paizo accoutn
12:49:16 <Avatar> your first character is -1
12:49:20 <Avatar> so xxxxx-1
12:49:27 <tristen> ah fair enough
12:50:20 <tristen> heheh i'm a programmer - first character is "-1" - i took that literally
12:50:42 <Avatar> I'm not, I don't know what that means :P
12:50:59 <Avatar> have you DM'd before
12:51:01 <tristen> oh t is the first character of tristen
12:51:06 <tristen> never mind me
12:51:15 <Avatar> or gone to any cons
12:51:16 <tristen> no i haven't dm'd
12:51:23 <tristen> nor gone to cons
12:51:31 <Avatar> you should check it out
12:51:36 <tristen> the gamers i used to play with are peppered around the country
12:51:48 <Avatar> mekkis has talked a few of us into going to the melbourne ones
12:51:50 <tristen> and think the internet is evil
12:51:56 <Avatar> he lives in qld and flies down for them
12:52:09 <Avatar> me, snypt and brunius are in melbourne as well
12:52:24 <Avatar> I don't understand players who won't come online to play
12:52:41 <Avatar> I mean go to your computer and we can play a game instead of having to go somewhere to do so
12:52:47 <Avatar> I make exceptions for cons, because it's a con
12:53:03 <tristen> yep for sure
12:53:20 <tristen> lemme know when a con's on and i'm there
12:53:30 <Avatar> arcanacon is on in january
12:53:42 <Mekkis> what's so good about a wireless one?
12:53:48 <Mekkis> CAT6 FTW!
12:53:56 <Avatar> http://www.arcanacon.org/
12:54:09 <Avatar> I don't know if registration is open yet
12:54:26 <tristen> yeah i was just reading...
12:54:32 <tristen> i didn't know it existed :/
12:54:40 <Avatar> every year
12:55:10 <Avatar> I've only been to 3 cons to date (arcanacon, conquest, unicon)
12:55:14 <Avatar> and I think there's paizocon
12:55:19 <Avatar> not sure what else
12:55:24 <Avatar> Mekkis is the resident con expert
12:56:14 <tristen> lol 2012 "end of the world con"
12:56:56 <Avatar> should be sweet
12:57:45 <MekkisScreen> I'll be in Melbourne around 11pm the night before it starts
12:57:59 <Avatar> I can't find the page to register for arcanacon
12:58:12 <MekkisScreen> (I'll be in Avalon 70 minutes before that)
12:58:23 <Avatar> lol avalon
12:58:27 <tristen> Players can now sign up to play using AON.
12:58:36 <tristen> http://aon.arsimagica.net/
12:58:38 <Avatar> is there a link
12:58:52 <Avatar> normally I get there because it's in my history but I've sort of recently bought a new machine
12:59:50 <Avatar-> I have one computer
12:59:50 <Avatar-> and no space
13:04:03 <Avatar-> I was stuck with working out where I should put it after I bought it
13:04:19 <Avatar-> until I worked out what wireless actually meant
13:04:44 <Avatar-> fuck it's hot today
13:13:07 <Avatar-> centrelink looks a hell of a lot nicer than it did 15 odd years ago
13:26:34 <MekkisScreen> it means that other people can waste your paper
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14:01:45 <Avatar_> a lot if problems with that idea
14:01:53 <MekkisScreen> how so?
14:01:59 <Avatar_> it's only on when I want to use it
14:02:01 <Avatar_> rarely
14:02:17 <Avatar_> it doesn't have paper in it unless I'm actively printing
14:05:10 <MekkisScreen> hem
14:06:11 <MekkisScreen> when I just graduated, I sent a paper entitled "So long and thanks for all the prints" to every printer on each of Griffith's 5 campuses
14:06:35 <MekkisScreen> then we had a pub lunch, got somewhat drunk, and did a similar thing at QUT :)
14:19:17 <Avatar_> you hacker
14:19:46 <Avatar_> what does hem mean
14:32:46 <MekkisScreen> it's a combination of "heh" and "hmm"
14:33:15 <Avatar_> you can't combine those
14:33:20 <Avatar_> what are you, 3
14:36:55 <MekkisScreen> hem
14:36:57 <MekkisScreen> heh
14:36:59 <MekkisScreen> hmm
14:37:26 <MekkisScreen> my online character sheet stuff doesn't seem to work
14:37:42 <MekkisScreen> if you can get http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/ to work, tell me :)
14:42:33 <Avatar_> the page works
14:42:54 <Avatar_> is that what you mean
14:43:03 <Avatar_> I'm on my phone, I can't download anything
14:44:45 <Avatar_> is that your stuff
14:45:01 <Avatar_> how long have you had that & what does it do
14:51:44 <Avatar_> centrelink only wants me to apply for 10 jobs per fortnight
14:51:55 <Avatar_> I thought it was 10 per day
14:52:12 <Avatar_> 10 per fortnight is super easy
14:52:23 <Avatar_> less than 1 a day !
14:52:39 <Avatar_> or 1 a weekday
14:52:54 <Avatar_> I was aiming for 3 or 4 per day
14:53:09 <Avatar_> now I guess I can relax more
15:23:13 <tristen> yeah i went through all that crap a few years ago - being without a salary really blows
15:30:33 <MekkisScreen> yeah
15:31:06 <Avatar> don't you just do the initial document gathering garbage to get it started and then just apply for 10 jobs a fortnight
15:31:12 <Avatar> and hand it in every fortnight I guess
15:31:28 <Avatar> it doesn't sound like it blows at all
15:31:38 <Avatar> the part that blows is going for a month or two without any payments
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15:52:09 <Avatar> Brunius: I almost got one of your friends to play PFS earlier
15:52:17 <Avatar> but I didn't know if you were okay for me to rope him in
15:54:10 <Brunius> I'm fine with you roping friends in to PFS
15:54:13 <Brunius> Who was it?
15:54:22 <Avatar> facebook friends, I don't know if they are all actual friends or not
15:54:25 <Avatar> some guy
15:54:34 <Avatar> in reply to the post you made today
15:54:40 <Brunius> Tahl.
15:54:44 <Avatar> yeah yeah tahl
15:55:07 <Brunius> Doesn't look like you "almost got one of [my] friends to play PFS"
15:55:48 <Brunius> "Play PFS" "FPS is better than PFS" "Nu-uh"
15:56:10 <Avatar> I didn't go any further because I would have
15:56:22 <Avatar> and if you had a problem with that, that would create problems for everybody
15:57:35 <Avatar> what's your schedule like this weekend brunius
16:02:36 <Brunius> I'm actually free the whole weekend
16:04:00 <Avatar> sweet
16:09:39 <Brunius> I've got to go to bunnings at some point, though
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16:12:06 <Avatar> do you know what time
16:13:13 <Avatar> roughly
16:16:46 <tristen> hey may i ask what level characters we're playing? is it 5 or something?
16:17:00 <Avatar> everyone starts at 1
16:17:23 <tristen> okee
16:17:40 <tristen> and are there any, er, gaps in classes that need filling?
16:17:59 <tristen> i tend to like rangers, sometimes rogues perhaps...
16:20:04 <Avatar> most of us more than 1 character
16:20:18 <Avatar> you can switch out characters between scenarios, and each scenario takes about 2 sessions
16:20:28 <Avatar> the low level ones we have are uh
16:20:47 <tristen> yep fair enough
16:20:49 <Avatar> cleric, wizard, sorcerer (or wizard?) and uh
16:20:59 <Avatar> canine's an inquisitor
16:21:04 <tristen> k
16:21:16 <tristen> to start i'll go with a ranger methinks
16:21:17 <Avatar> jaggedsoul is a fighter, but I don't know if he plans to stick around
16:21:37 <tristen> hey i have a mate that's up for it
16:21:37 <Avatar> I don't know if mekkis has any low level characters
16:21:42 <Avatar> bring him in
16:21:46 <tristen> cool
16:21:51 <Avatar> more the merrier
16:22:08 <tristen> awesome
16:22:10 <Avatar> especially low level newbies because we end up creating a lot of low level characters that end up being too high later
16:23:13 <tristen> his name is thelen, he'll be in shortly
16:23:20 <Avatar> good show
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16:24:10 <Avatar> Thelen
16:24:12 <Avatar> roll up a character !!
16:24:16 <Thelen> greetings
16:24:30 <Thelen> yup, and i'll generate a dooby
16:24:41 <Avatar> what's your experience
16:25:19 <Thelen> have played a fair bit of campaigning with a group of friends
16:25:28 <Avatar> what system
16:25:30 <Thelen> then lots of misc other RPG over the years
16:25:36 <Avatar> pathfinder?
16:25:41 <Thelen> dnd
16:25:44 <Thelen> and gurps
16:25:58 <Avatar> righto well pick up a pathfinder rulebook
16:26:01 <Avatar> it's enhanced d&d 3.5
16:26:11 <Avatar> have you seen the site yet
16:26:14 <Thelen> aye
16:26:24 <Avatar> cool, everything you need is behind the getting started link
16:26:42 <Thelen> i not sure was it answered about the starting level?
16:26:50 <Avatar> level 1
16:26:58 <Thelen> ok
16:27:50 <Avatar> get the pathfinder society guide and check chapter 2
16:27:57 <Avatar> it has a step-by-step on how to create a PFS character
16:28:05 <Avatar> use the character sheet template on that page too
16:28:12 <Avatar> and yell out your character names here once you have them
16:28:26 <Avatar> I just need a first name
16:28:37 <Thelen> cool. when was the next session?
16:28:49 <Avatar> we have two sessions over the weekend
16:29:01 <Avatar> it depends who's here to consider what we play
16:29:04 <Thelen> ah
16:29:10 <Avatar> times are in the topic
16:29:28 <Avatar> PFS and CoTE are usually interchangable I think, they're both pathfinder society
16:30:26 <Thelen> ah
16:33:47 <Thelen> is it important to read"What's legal/illegal in PFS?"
16:33:50 <Thelen> and so on?
16:34:08 <Avatar> it's not important as long as you don't choose anything illegal :P
16:34:16 <Avatar> start by reading chapter 2 of the PFS guide
16:34:19 <Avatar> that's the easiest way
16:34:34 <Avatar> you'll be pretty familiar with a lot of it, barring the pathfinder rules vs the 3.5 rules
16:34:37 <Thelen> yup just getting that now
16:34:38 <Avatar> like the skills are a bit different
16:34:41 <Thelen> ah ok
16:34:51 <Thelen> i played 3.0 i think
16:34:55 <Avatar> with class skills, you get a +3 bonus when you put your first rank into them
16:35:00 <Thelen> 02-04
16:35:04 <Avatar> while cross class skills just cost 1 rank
16:35:06 <Avatar> and don't get the bonus
16:35:32 <Avatar> perception is the new spot+listen+search
16:35:39 <Avatar> acrobatics is the new jump+balance+tumble
16:35:47 <Avatar> disable device is the new open lock+disable device
16:35:52 <Avatar> there's a fly skill
16:36:11 <Thelen> cool banannarinos
16:36:14 <Avatar> diplomacy is the new gather information+diplomacy
16:36:26 <Avatar> I think that's about it
16:37:17 <Thelen> what rulebooks do i actually need?
16:37:24 <Avatar> the pathfinder society guide
16:37:27 <Avatar> and the pathfinder core rulebook
16:37:31 <Thelen> OK
16:37:42 <Avatar> the first one is specific to pathfinder society (PFS)
16:37:57 <Thelen> is that guide to pathfinder society organised play?
16:37:58 <Thelen> 33 pp
16:38:01 <Avatar> yep
16:38:06 <Avatar> what's 33pp
16:38:12 <Avatar> it costs 0 pp
16:38:14 <Avatar> it's free
16:38:23 <Thelen> 33pp = 33 pages :D
16:38:29 <Avatar> yeah that sounds about right
16:38:50 <Avatar> you may not need to immediately choose a faction, but have one handy in case you do
16:38:58 <Avatar> depends what you play first
16:39:06 <Thelen> yea
16:39:11 <Thelen> i've got a couple characters in mind
16:39:20 <Avatar> got a couple of character names in mind?
16:39:24 <Thelen> that too
16:39:31 <Avatar> ok what are they
16:39:44 <Thelen> John Smith and Bob Jane ;)
16:39:51 <Thelen> you'll see as smeagol would say ;)
16:39:55 <Avatar> is that a joke
16:39:59 <Thelen> yes
16:40:02 <Avatar> good 1
16:40:07 <Avatar> get me some real names and then we'll talk
16:40:09 <Thelen> just finished a crazy work
16:40:13 <Thelen> work of week
16:40:19 <Thelen> going a bit loopy
16:40:34 <Avatar> :P
16:40:54 <Avatar> I've been doing centrelink stuff all day, you have no excuse
16:40:59 <Brunius> Pah.
16:41:12 <Thelen> maybe i work at centerlink helping people such as you?
16:41:14 <Brunius> I have no more PE lessons!
16:41:20 <Brunius> Eveeeeeeeer!
16:41:23 <Avatar> touchè
16:41:32 <Avatar> Brunius: gg
16:41:32 <Thelen> ooh nice the umlat
16:41:42 <Avatar> do you know what you're choosing next year
16:41:48 <Brunius> Yeah
16:41:59 <Brunius> Couple of non-VCE subjects
16:42:01 <Brunius> IT
16:42:04 <Brunius> Physics
16:42:07 <Brunius> Methods 1+2
16:42:14 <Avatar> what is methods
16:42:16 <Brunius> Economics
16:42:20 <Brunius> Mathematical Methods
16:42:30 <Avatar> why don't they just call it maths
16:42:59 <Avatar> or are there different types of maths now
16:43:03 <Brunius> To differentiate it from Foundations of Maths (Year 7), General Maths (Year 9), Specialist Maths
16:43:05 <Thelen> different types
16:43:12 <Avatar> gotcha
16:43:13 <Brunius> Advanced General Maths
16:43:16 <Brunius> Further Maths.
16:43:20 <Avatar> bloody hell
16:43:23 <Brunius> Maths is freaking huge
16:43:29 <Avatar> we just had A, B and C
16:43:40 <Avatar> easy, hard and stupid
16:43:49 <Thelen> wow, your an old coger ;)
16:43:58 <Avatar> 29
16:44:02 <Brunius> Didn't you get educated in QLD, Avatar?
16:44:03 <Avatar> how old are you
16:44:06 <Avatar> yep
16:44:08 <Thelen> oh, qld
16:59:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, of course I have low level characters
16:59:12 <Mekkis> I've got Nightmare
16:59:15 <Mekkis> :)
16:59:56 <Thelen> so are we using the purchase system or one of the roll d6 ones?
17:00:48 <Mekkis> 150gp
17:00:55 <Mekkis> 20 point buy
17:01:12 <Thelen> cool, thnx
17:02:39 <Thelen> btw my irc thelen_shar
17:03:17 <Thelen> or perhaps without the _ skype keeps changing it
17:07:18 <Mekkis> your IRC?
17:07:47 <Thelen> oops. skype: thelenshar
17:11:04 <Mekkis> hmmm
17:11:11 <Mekkis> is there anything that uses a 10' cone?
17:12:37 <Mekkis> or a 15' blast
17:12:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, got CA handy?
17:12:53 <Mekkis> or Ballig, or Brunius, or anyone...
17:14:10 <Mekkis> is there anything that uses a 10' cone?
17:14:15 <Mekkis> or a 15' blast
17:14:18 <Mekkis> Avatar, got CA handy?
17:14:20 <Mekkis> or Ballig, or Brunius, or anyone...
17:14:51 <Avatar> yeah
17:14:55 <Avatar> Thelen: just yell it out
17:15:00 <Avatar> don't wait to see if i'm here
17:15:02 <Mekkis> 114.73.19.202
17:15:06 <Mekkis> port 4000
17:15:07 <Thelen> Hitomi
17:15:27 <Thelen> whats that fo?
17:15:30 <Avatar> added, you can upload your sheet
17:15:33 <Mekkis> CA..
17:15:40 <Avatar> CA is used to track combat
17:15:43 <Avatar> 'combat assistant'
17:15:48 <Mekkis> assuming Avatar's "yeah" was an answer to my question
17:15:50 <Thelen> ah yea
17:15:59 <Avatar> it was
17:16:22 <Avatar> I'm in
17:16:57 <Avatar> I see non-snapped to grid liens
17:16:59 <Avatar> lines*
17:17:10 <Mekkis> non-snapped?
17:17:13 <Mekkis> they're snapped
17:17:14 <Avatar> yeah
17:17:19 <Avatar> they are non-snapped on my end
17:17:32 <Avatar> looks sort of like you're trying to do a diamond
17:17:55 <Mekkis> would you say that's a 15' blast?
17:18:00 <Mekkis> ah
17:18:09 <Mekkis> it's that margins bug
17:18:12 <Mekkis> I think
17:18:24 <Avatar> I can't tell with non snapped lines
17:18:31 <Mekkis> they're snapped lines
17:18:55 <Mekkis> what are your horizontal and vertical margins?
17:19:28 <Mekkis> (view -> preferences)
17:19:31 <Avatar> http://imgur.com/5HnFN
17:19:51 <Avatar> 20/15
17:19:57 <Mekkis> make them 1/1
17:20:20 <Avatar> oh that fixed it
17:20:41 <Mekkis> would you call that a 15' blast?
17:20:43 <Avatar> you have an extra line on column J/K
17:20:44 <Avatar> and row 6/7
17:20:57 <Avatar> yeah
17:20:58 <Mekkis> that's because the bus I'm on vibrates
17:20:58 <Avatar> no question
17:21:40 <Mekkis> it wouldn't be the orange one?
17:23:14 <Mekkis> the red one is a 15' cone, as specified by the DMG, correct?
17:23:29 <Mekkis> (p307 of the PDF you used to give out)
17:24:51 <Mekkis> sorry about that, lost connection
17:24:55 <Mekkis> 114.73.28.203
17:25:24 <Mekkis> the red one and the green one are 15' cones, as specified by the DMG)
17:25:31 <Mekkis> (p307 of the PDF you used to give out)
17:26:01 <Avatar> looks right to me, although I can't fully see the green one
17:26:48 <Mekkis> can you see the one at the bottom now?
17:27:34 <Mekkis> good
17:27:41 <Mekkis> just making sure
17:45:38 <Avatar> I'll take that as a yes
17:46:19 <Avatar> Thelen: upload your sheet periodically as you draw it up
17:46:20 <Mekkis> what was the question?
17:46:23 <Avatar> and paste the link in here
17:46:28 <Avatar> we'll check it over
17:46:50 <Avatar> Mekkis: <Avatar> done?
17:46:59 <MekkisScreen> yeah
17:47:02 <MekkisScreen> sorry about that
17:47:08 <Avatar> how did you miss that man
17:47:10 <Mekkis> crappy wireless internet
17:47:49 <Mekkis> every time I have this sort of issue, I remember Malcolm Turnbull's comments, saying that wireless is the way of the future
17:54:43 <Ballig> ha
17:54:50 <Ballig> and how their focus should be on faster wireless?
17:55:12 <Ballig> wireless is convenient but I wouldn't say it's the future
17:55:40 <Avatar> I don't think their statements should be taken too literally
17:56:10 <Ballig> considering that these are the people who can change the course of an entire government program on the issue, I'd say you kind of have to
18:00:03 <Avatar> Ballig what do you think about uh
18:00:39 <Avatar> spending a long time fleshing out roleplayed conversations
18:01:05 <Ballig> depends on the campaign/scenario
18:01:08 <Avatar> versus summarising them and saying "we ask the guy if he's seen blah blah" kind of statements
18:01:10 <Avatar> in general
18:01:23 <Ballig> it can add to the game
18:01:26 <Ballig> some people enjoy it, some don't
18:01:36 <Avatar> yeah but what do you think
18:01:39 <Avatar> your opinion
18:02:02 <Ballig> it's okay sometimes
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18:05:03 <Ballig> I guess if I feel like the conversation is adding something to the game
18:06:47 <Avatar> at what point would you say it becomes inappropriate
18:07:37 <Ballig> if it's a relatively meaningless conversation that is just bogging down the game
18:10:20 <Avatar> Mekkis: I think that's 1 point to me
18:11:33 <Ballig> if all your players are heavily into roleplay and like to roleplay every conversation whether it's with a king or a peasant, then that's fine if that's how they want to play
18:11:35 <Ballig> I personally prefer to roleplay the important conversations and gloss over the useless ones
18:11:59 <Brunius> http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/06/terraria-takes-on-modern-warfare-3-on-steam/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0
18:14:12 <Avatar> brunius what do you think
18:38:53 <Brunius> Yep.
18:52:45 <Avatar> yep what
18:55:02 <Brunius> Totally.
18:55:25 <Avatar> no what do you think
18:55:29 <Brunius> Yes.
18:55:37 <Avatar> don't be difficult
18:55:48 <Avatar> you just won't get a vote
18:56:02 <Brunius> If it's an important NPC, by all means, have a full conversation
18:56:18 <Brunius> If you're going to start a conversation with every shopkeeper while picking up supplies...
18:56:27 <Brunius> I'd really rather you didn't.
18:56:34 <Avatar> that's 2 to me mekkis
19:14:18 <Thelen> Avatar okey day
19:15:57 <Thelen> Ballig perhaps make them pass a roll if the conversation goes on for more than 150 chars :D
19:16:04 <Thelen> if they pass, they get another 150
19:16:11 <Thelen> its D&D, twitter edition
19:16:11 <Thelen> :D
19:17:55 <Avatar> conversation is done line by line anyway
19:18:01 <Avatar> we don't spit out paragraphs of text
19:18:09 <Thelen> yea was just exampling ;D
19:20:35 <Avatar> Brunius: http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield3/comments/n26q6/battlefield_3_gui_concept_community_patch_list/
19:20:56 <Avatar> I haven't played bf3 since the latest 4 gig patch came out, think I'd best take a look
19:24:12 <Thelen> BF3 was fun for a while
19:24:20 <Thelen> then the maps got very boring
19:26:19 <Avatar> that is a lie
19:26:31 <Avatar> I only stopped playing bf3 to play terraria 1.1
19:26:44 <Avatar> I was not bored and I will not be !
19:27:46 <Ballig> bored of terraria already?
19:27:50 <Ballig> how many hours of extra gameplay was that, 1.5?
19:28:09 <Thelen> tarraria is the MC clone?
19:28:42 <Avatar> minecraft is the terraria clone
19:28:44 <Ballig> yeah 2D minecraft clone
19:28:45 <Avatar> I am not bored of terraria
19:28:51 <Ballig> you seem bored of terraria
19:28:57 <Avatar> I can't play both at onc
19:28:58 <Avatar> e
19:29:04 <Thelen> ah, i looked at it but mc is already boring so :D
19:29:13 <Avatar> you are missing out
19:29:19 <Avatar> forget minecraft
19:29:22 <Avatar> terraria is the real deal
19:29:25 <Thelen> :P
19:29:28 <Ballig> there are a couple of hours of gameplay in terraria
19:29:31 <Thelen> i looked at some utube videos
19:29:36 <Thelen> looked meh
19:29:39 <Avatar> we've been playing the new content for a couple of weeks
19:29:45 <Thelen> ah
19:29:49 <Ballig> it's only been out for like a week max
19:29:58 <Avatar> well it's like a week
19:30:02 <Avatar> I don't know, I'm unemployed
19:30:05 <Avatar> I can't keep track of time
19:30:10 <Thelen> XD
19:30:11 <Ballig> what's up with that
19:30:13 <Thelen> its tuesday yea
19:30:14 <Ballig> have you had no bites on your applications?
19:30:21 <Ballig> fuck no it's friday, thank the gods
19:30:25 <Avatar> apparently I need to apply for less jobs, says centrelink
19:30:26 <Thelen> >_>
19:30:33 <Thelen> what sort of job u after?
19:30:38 <Ballig> apply for a job at centrelink
19:30:40 <Avatar> something sweet
19:30:41 <Ballig> (department of human services)
19:30:51 <Avatar> yeah centrelink doesn't look like a trashcan anymore
19:30:51 <Thelen> lol
19:31:15 <Avatar> it did when I was last there about 15 years ago
19:31:24 <Ballig> yeah they're pretty swish now
19:31:30 <Ballig> department of human services actually take up 50% of the APS
19:31:45 <Avatar> that's huge man, are you sure
19:31:50 <Avatar> 50%
19:31:53 <Ballig> yes
19:31:59 <Ballig> it's medicare, centrelink and something else
19:32:01 <Ballig> all together
19:32:07 <Ballig> medicare and defence together make up 75% of the APS
19:32:12 <Ballig> every other department together only makes up 25%
19:32:56 <Thelen> :o
19:33:18 <Avatar> is this another fabrication of yours
19:33:24 <Ballig> sure
19:34:05 <Avatar> who was meant to be in our saturday game
19:34:17 <Ballig> canine, some other jerk who hasn't been back
19:34:21 <Avatar> me mekkis canine
19:34:27 <Avatar> jaggedsoul?
19:34:31 <Ballig> yeah jaggedsoul
19:34:32 <Ballig> maybe email him
19:34:39 <Ballig> although if canine isn't here, maybe not
19:41:35 <Thelen> so tomorrow maybe not happening maybe sunday?
19:41:49 <Ballig> the game we already had in play likely won't be happening
19:41:52 <Ballig> but we can play a different game
19:41:55 <Ballig> maybe the beginner box games
19:44:06 <Avatar> yeah
19:44:16 <Avatar> canine won't be here tomorrow
19:44:32 <Avatar> Thelen: if players are here, we can play a game
19:44:36 <Avatar> if you are not, we can not
19:44:57 <Ballig> yeah whether or not a game happens just depends on having the right number of players
19:45:04 <Avatar> ballig this is what we have been overlooking all this time
19:45:22 <Ballig> hm?
19:45:32 <Avatar> it's like trying to organise a party
19:45:41 <Avatar> are you coming? I dunno, who else is going
19:45:56 <Ballig> I'm aware of this
19:46:01 <Ballig> it's the reason that I like lurkers in the channel
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19:49:51 <Thelen> i dunno if tristen be here or not
19:50:55 <Ballig> who's tristen
19:51:50 <Avatar> thelen's buddy
19:51:55 <Avatar> read your pm will you
19:53:42 <Avatar> man if you're playing bf3 as an engineer
19:53:45 <Avatar> go for the auto shotgun all the way
19:53:52 <Avatar> I got about 5 one hit kills in a row
19:53:59 <Avatar> in the space of about 10 seconds
19:56:38 <Avatar> I may as well be shooting a cannon at their dart guns
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19:58:06 <Ballig> what am I reading in PM
19:58:59 <Avatar> everything !
19:59:05 <Ballig> I read it when I got home from the gym
19:59:08 <Ballig> what was I meant to respond to
19:59:22 <Avatar> you just got me killed thanks a lot
19:59:26 <Ballig> you're welcome
20:06:32 <Thelen> ah
20:13:42 <Mekkis> so
20:13:52 <Mekkis> want me to fire up a beginner box game now?
20:14:12 <Ballig> probably not
20:14:14 <Ballig> why can't we just do it tomorrow
20:14:23 <Ballig> instead of trying to push out games at 9.15pm
20:14:34 <Thelen> i dun have the char done yet
20:14:45 <Mekkis> because I plan to be up for the next hour or so
20:18:10 <Avatar> thelen: what are you waiting for !
20:52:41 <tristen> character name for me: Tasiv
20:52:46 <tristen> do you need a surname?
20:52:49 <Avatar> nope
20:52:50 <Avatar> sec
20:54:25 <Avatar> added
20:54:28 <Avatar> you can upload your sheet
20:54:42 <Avatar> upload it as you go and link it in here once you've done it and we'll go over it
20:54:47 <Avatar> as you do it
20:57:09 <tristen> yeah still got a bit to go
20:57:36 <tristen> but i've uploaded class / attributes
20:57:49 <tristen> i've gotta bail shortly
20:58:03 <tristen> hey has a time been set for this weekend?
20:58:10 <tristen> a session time i mean?
20:58:19 <Avatar> 10am tomorrow
20:58:24 <Avatar> you want the sheet done well before then
20:58:32 <tristen> righto, yep can do
20:58:48 <tristen> hey man thanks for setting us up
20:59:03 <tristen> i'll cya on the 'morrow
20:59:05 <Mekkis> http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2011/12/6/how-to-ask-someone-whats-up-with-one-of-their-body-parts.html
20:59:24 <Avatar> no problem
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21:00:30 <Avatar> tristen's going to have dramas finishing that up I think
21:02:29 <Avatar> Thelen: what's your progress look like, upload your sheet
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21:03:42 <Avatar> hm I wonder how I downloaded 35 gig in a night without realising it
21:03:59 <Avatar> oh wait maybe that is SWTOR
21:09:11 <Mekkis> still playing MMOs
21:09:13 <Mekkis> ?
21:09:35 <Brunius> You know they're the lowest form of entertainment
21:09:36 <Ballig> are you waiting for the fad to die out Mekkis
21:09:51 <Ballig> Brunius: pretty sure torturing small animals is a lower form of entertainment
21:09:54 <Mekkis> no
21:09:57 <Ballig> just saying something is the "lowest form of X" doesn't actually make that true
21:09:59 <Mekkis> just joping
21:10:02 <Mekkis> hoping
21:14:55 <Mekkis> I'm learning a lot about D&D cones
21:21:11 <Brunius> I'm quoting Mekkis, Ballig.
21:21:21 <Mekkis> you are?
21:22:10 <Avatar> mekkis loves SWTOR
21:22:16 <Mekkis> what?
21:22:17 <Avatar> what are you talking about
21:30:25 <Mekkis> I'm not exactly waiting for the MMO fad to die out
21:30:34 <Mekkis> I just hope that it will
21:44:39 <Avatar> yeah and then facebook games will take over
21:46:59 <Mekkis> I'm hoping that facebook will die out too ;)
21:47:22 <Mekkis> the internet's getting too corporatist
21:54:39 <Mekkis> Ballig, can you give me some advice on how to define a 25' south-facing cone?
22:54:26 <Mekkis> all done: I ended up doing it the simple way
23:00:08 <Mekkis> Avatar, by any chance do you have Sachiru's email?
23:13:06 <Avatar> don't think so
23:13:24 <Avatar> nope
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