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58:47 <Ampera> hey arch, you were talking about thinkpads earlier, did you see the one I've ordered?
01:51 <electrohead> o/
01:57 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
01:57 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
02:02 <Ampera> how are you doing sparkplug?
02:32 <electrohead> mournings. \o/
02:37 <electrohead> good, I took the day off, today
02:53 <Ampera> nice
02:57 <Ampera> first day off at your new job?
03:37 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, did you get the thing or did customs drink all the beer?
03:59 <electrohead> first day that I took off, yeah
04:07 <Ampera> electrohead, do you know anything about hardware security keys
04:09 <electrohead> for a personal day
04:17 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: didn't get it yet, lmao
04:24 <electrohead> Ampera: I have quite a few, including one for work
04:41 <Ampera> lemme ask you a few questions then, because I want one, but none of them seem to do exactly what I want.
05:09 <electrohead> I admit, there's a lot I don't know, but that said, I'm actually in the current process of setting up a smart card for local login capability for both my two main personal laptops, and jenkins
05:13 <electrohead> ok, shoot
05:16 <Ampera> What I want is a central physical place to store my private keys, primarily for GPG/OpenPGP, OpenSSH, and for TLS client auth
05:42 <electrohead> Java card comes to mind
06:04 <Ampera> I ideally want something that can, instead of just letting the computer read the key, handle all challenges necessary
06:18 <electrohead> "handle all changes mecessary?
06:21 <electrohead> What do you mean?
06:30 <Ampera> challenges
07:03 <electrohead> oh , duh
07:06 <Ampera> for OpenSSH, for instance, a random number is encrypted with my public auth key, and gets decrypted, hashed, and returned.
07:09 <electrohead> read that wrong, I'm still waking up, my bad
07:23 <Ampera> I'd like a key that can do that on the card, so my SSH keys never have to leave the card/key
08:24 <electrohead> hrmm
08:32 <electrohead> I imagine you have heard of the yubikey devices, yes?
08:45 <Ampera> Here's the next caveat, the key storage space must be functionally infinite.
08:54 <Ampera> Like, so large I'd never be able to use it all.
09:10 <Ampera> The yubikey devices seem to fail on that front, though their documentation is so crap, they don't actually say
09:50 <electrohead> well I know you can utilize opensc with most of the yubikey devices
09:55 <electrohead> so that's why that came to mind
09:59 <electrohead> storage wise, hrmm
10:07 <electrohead> I've thought about that myself, in the past
10:30 <Ampera> What's more is SSH auth on yubi seems to be based off FIDO2, and by my guess is just a fancy way of encrypting the key, instead of actually enrolling the key itself onto the device
12:02 <Ampera> I've looked at smartcards, but they have a similar issue of limited space, at least for the ones I've seen.
12:10 <Ampera> I don't know how much java cards can store, I haven't looked into them
12:14 <electrohead> https://github.com/jamesog/yubikey-ssh
12:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - jamesog/yubikey-ssh: How to use a Yubikey with OpenSSH without GPG
12:18 <electrohead> take a look at that
12:32 <electrohead> I've had this saved for some time, now
12:38 <electrohead> eventually I want to do something similar
13:07 <electrohead> and I literally have 10+ tabs open right now, just about smart cards and such, from my current adventures with SAML and jenkins
13:18 <electrohead> so, now you have given me something else to look into
13:20 <electrohead> thanks, lol
13:25 <Ampera> Report back what you find
13:52 <Ampera> My main concern is I want to be able to store at least 500-1000 unique keys on this thing GPG and OpenSSH
14:09 <Ampera> All other concerns are pretty much secondary, including anything concerning OTP/2FA
14:45 <Ampera> ideally I'd look into a dedicated device for TOTP, one where I can backup the seeds into a bank vault.
15:43 <arch> Ampera, i did not see the one you ordered. what model is it
16:03 <Ampera> arch, https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t15g-gen-2-(15-inch-intel)/20ys001sus
16:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access Denied
16:43 <arch> fucks sake $2.2k for a socketed cpu laptop. nty
16:51 <arch> 2.6k i mean
17:06 <Ampera> you're an idiot arch, but I love you
17:50 <Ampera> They do not make modern business grade laptops with socketed CPUs, and the benefit of a socketed CPU is usually quite minimal
18:27 <Ampera> Even on laptops that had socketed CPUs, during their lifetime, the upgrade options were usually pathetic and expensive
18:43 <Ampera> This is one of the most expandable business class laptops that exist
18:57 <arch> well, if im paying half the price of a decent used car, i'd better get that "quite minimal" functionality. the CPU is one of the most expensive parts of a laptop, along with dedicated graphics. both better be modular/removable
18:59 <Ampera> The only thing that would be sort of nice is an MXM GPU, but those are a dying breed too
19:29 <Ampera> Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it'll suck your dick too.
19:36 <Ampera> The market is the market, and for the money, this is an excellent laptop
20:12 <arch> whatever makes you sleep better at night knowing you spent $2.6k for a non-upgradable machine...
20:28 <Ampera> I can't buy an upgradeable machine new though
20:41 <Ampera> not unless it's some cheap alienware piece of crap that will shatter into a million pieces if you look at it the wrong way
21:04 <Ampera> and you can replace literally everything on this laptop besides the CPU and GPU.
22:36 <DHess_US> Ampera, might as well ask why CPUs are socketted at all in any system.
23:03 <Ampera> because on a desktop you actually have upgrade options and a choice of mainboard.
23:10 <Ampera> stuff that actually matters
23:16 <DHess_US> Because inventory control.
23:57 <DHess_US> Nobody wants to stock several different motherboards with different combinations of CPU and RAM, so the CPUs and RAM are socketted so that they can be mixed and matched with the motherboards.
24:15 <DHess_US> Which points to why Apple does not grade their CPUs.
24:28 <DHess_US> They can't, unless they socket them.
24:41 <Ampera> Factual and decent point
24:50 <arch> the cpu is listed as $395. the RTX3080 mobile, let's assume it's the same price. you've got $800 to lose if something really simple happens to the motherboard, maybe a burnt buck mosfet. that's almost 1/3rd the cost you COULD have saved if you got a socketed board.
25:02 <arch> reused*
25:18 <Ampera> I have a 2 year parts and labor warranty on it, which is half the reason you'd buy from Lenovo
25:31 <Ampera> I'd also expect almost anything else /but/ the GPU/CPU to break.
25:38 <DHess_US> The number of people who upgrade or salvage CPUs from a system is too small to be a significant factor.
26:21 <Ampera> and again, I'm not disagreeing with your arguments, I'm saying they're irrelevant.
26:34 <Ampera> You can demand whatever you want, if you can't buy it you're shit out of luck.
26:55 <DHess_US> I'd say power supplies are the most common failure, followed by GPUs.
27:29 <Ampera> and to me, having a reliable and sturdy laptop from a trusted manufacturer with good service policies is far more important to me than making sure I can replace a CPU I will never care to replace.
27:33 <DHess_US> GPUs often have poor thermal margins.
28:11 <Ampera> That's true, though I'd imagine laptop GPUs would be more capable of fine thermal and power management than desktop parts.
28:15 <DHess_US> Eh, if I had spent what I spent on my last laptop, which failed a couple months out of warranty, I could have had 3 x Athon small form factor systems which didn't fail.
28:31 <Ampera> I also intend to have this laptop docked most of the time on an active fan base
28:46 <DHess_US> Laptops are not very reliable compared to desktops when you consider that desktops can be repairs and laptops cannot.
29:10 <DHess_US> Which just highlights that laptops are unreliable because of inadaquate thermal design.
29:16 <Ampera> Indeed, however laptops exist for a very simple reason.
29:27 <Ampera> I can pick up that thinkpad with one hand and stick it in a backpack.
29:29 <DHess_US> Because desktops are too heavy to lug around.
29:33 <Ampera> I can't do that with a desktop, no matter how small I make it
29:49 <DHess_US> But you could spend what you spent on a laptop, and buy two better desktops.
30:01 <arch> word
30:22 <Ampera> Not really. This laptop is actually quite similar to what I spent on my desktop, and in a lot of ways is far superior to it.
30:32 <DHess_US> Plus those fucking terrible laptop keyboards ...
30:59 <DHess_US> If I wanted chicklet keys, I would buy a CoCo.
31:03 <Ampera> My desktop cost around 2.6k, and has a much worse GPU, less M.2 slots, and arguably worse I/O
31:25 <Ampera> I don't intend to use the laptop keyboard unless I bring it places. The whole point of a desktop replacement is I can bring my desktop with me where I go.
31:36 <DHess_US> coco for those who were not alive then, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer
31:37 <Ampera> The only real thing I'm giving up is about half my cores which I never use anyways.
31:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - TRS-80 Color Computer - Wikipedia
31:44 <Ampera> I know what a CoCo is
32:23 <DHess_US> I couldn't buy a laptop as good as my desktop for any price.
32:34 <DHess_US> And my desktop was a lot cheaper than 2.6k
32:41 <DHess_US> But I built my own from parts.
32:44 <Ampera> Quite likely, but what is good about a computer is subjective.
32:48 <Ampera> I built mine from parts too.
33:08 <DHess_US> Hardest thing to find was a case.
33:09 <Ampera> I did before all of the market went to hell too, so this is pre-recession pricing
33:26 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #eevblog
33:32 <Ampera> that being said, I built it from the ground up, and there were some parts that were a lot more expensive then than they are now, like RAM and especially NVMe storage.
33:38 <Nothing\> so, i just got a great idea to get my phone to stop spying on me
33:41 <Nothing\> at least visually
33:43 <Ampera> I think I spent 200 bucks more on my SSD than a nicer one from Samsung would cost now.
33:55 <DHess_US> 64G of DDR4 ECC RAM in mine.
33:57 * Ampera gives Nothing\ a sticker
33:59 <Nothing\> at least once an hour, i put my anus in front of the camera for at least a minute
34:06 <Ampera> Mine's 64GB of DDR4, though it's not ECC
34:13 <Nothing\> ECC?
34:22 <Nothing\> that's a bit old and obscure isn't it?
34:22 <DHess_US> I didn't install 128G because I couldn't get it in ECC.
34:31 <Nothing\> you really are a motorola fanboy
34:36 <Nothing\> no wait
34:38 <Ampera> Error Correcting Code, it can correct bitflips caused typically by radiation.
34:39 <Nothing\> i'm thinking of ECL
34:44 <Nothing\> emitter coupled logic
34:46 <Nothing\> lol
35:10 <Nothing\> which is an extremely obscure logic family, motorola implemented it in their 10000 series of chips
35:24 <Nothing\> i somehow came upon a pdf of a databook for them
36:20 <Nothing\> i should really read up on what the advantages were over TTL because compared to TTL ECL chips were incredibly complicated
36:30 <Ampera> For me, I intend to do a lot more traveling in 2022, so having a powerful computer I can bring with me and use for or at work is important.
36:57 <Nothing\> Ampera, i must be really tired because i thought you meant time traveling
36:58 <Ampera> Our work computers are also typically insanely locked down, so having my own machine is a great quality of life improvement.
37:22 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
37:28 <Ampera> you rapscallion
37:37 * Nothing\ scrugs Ampera 
37:37 <DHess_US> Things I want in a laptop: matte screen, real keyboard, ethernet port
37:50 <Nothing\> i prefer tatterdemalion, but that works too
37:58 <Nothing\> actually i literally am a tatterdemalion
38:07 <Ampera> I think I have at least 2 of those, keyboard depends on what you define as real
38:09 <Nothing\> i'm like a cartoon character, i wear the same clothes every single day
38:18 <Nothing\> well, on the days where i do wear clothes
38:32 <Nothing\> seriously, i've worn the same shirt every day for no less than 7 years
38:57 <Nothing\> i noticed yesterday the back is worn so thin that it's completely transparent lol
39:06 <DHess_US> real keyboards use mechanical springs and have cupped keys.
39:18 <Nothing\> it's not that i don't have any other shirts. I just really REALLY like this one
39:33 <Nothing\> plus it's the only button up shirt i have that isn't literally shredded from being worn too much
39:45 <Nothing\> button ups really aren't as rugged as t-shirts
39:48 <arch> DHess_US, you would probably find the T420 series to be the last, relatively modern laptop with a real keyboard
39:52 <Ampera> DHess_US, I'm typing on one now.
39:56 <arch> ThinkPad T420
39:59 <Ampera> however that laptop wouldn't be it
40:31 <Ampera> For me I want a well rounded laptop that has a bit of everything. CPU, GPU, storage, RAM, I/O
40:37 <Nothing\> argh
40:59 <Nothing\> i watched that stupid scene from beteljuice the other day and now i've had the calypso stuck in my head ever since
41:11 <Nothing\> assuming that's the name of the song and not the dance associated with it
41:12 * Nothing\ shrugs
41:29 <arch> T420 with Quadro NVS4200, 1x mSATA, 1x SSD in the HDD bay, 1x SSD in the CDROM bay
41:35 <Nothing\> it's really not a stupid scene. I just have a stupid brain
41:44 <Nothing\> arch: must be nice to have an HDD bay
41:51 <Nothing\> my case is such a piece of shit
42:00 <Nothing\> especially for a $2,000 computer
42:07 <Nothing\> 0 drive bays
42:18 <Nothing\> just some little box in the bottom that holds a single SSD
42:28 <Ampera> My hard drives are in my servers.
42:36 <Nothing\> i had to slide my HDD underneath the SSD in the hollow of said box
42:52 <Ampera> storage server can hold 20 SFF disks and my compute can hold 8 LFF
43:02 <Nothing\> and on the inside of the computer, it's built so the power supply blocks ALL of the expansion ports of the motherboard
43:05 <Ampera> my compute can also hold around 8 or so NVMe SSDs, storage can hold a couple
43:11 <Ampera> at least without PCIe switches
43:22 <Nothing\> i dunno what it is with me getting computers i can't upgrade
43:32 <Nothing\> or that are severely limited in how i can upgrade them
44:26 <DHess_US> Lol, can tell when desktop is done with background tasks because the noise level decreases.
44:26 <Ampera> You need to learn more about computing in general.
44:28 <Ampera> It's painful to watch.
44:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, i knew lots about computing
44:45 <Nothing\> 20 years ago
44:52 <Nothing\> that's my problem
45:02 <Nothing\> i spent almost 10 years with absolutely no experience what so ever
45:18 <Nothing\> i mean i used a computer but not in any meaningful way
45:40 <Nothing\> and didn't keep up with the latest changes and stuff like EFIs snuck up on me
46:37 <Nothing\> but anyways Ampera what do you think i'm doing presently?
46:48 <Nothing\> why do you think i've been talking about it and asking so many questions?
46:55 <Nothing\> can't learn otherwise
47:13 <Nothing\> well... before the internet you couldn't anyway
47:35 <Nothing\> which makes me really surprised there's more misinformation now than there was back then
48:01 <Ampera> Questions should help you figure out how to learn.
48:18 <Nothing\> you'd think with people having the ability to look up any and all answers to contentious arguments we'd have less misinformation
48:20 <Ampera> My honest suggestion is if you really want to get good at computing, learn how to put a Linux system together and take it apart again.
48:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, why linux?
48:33 <Ampera> That's sort of how I got here.
48:37 <Nothing\> liunx is useless for my needs
48:39 <Ampera> because you can't take Windows apart and put it back together again.
48:47 <Ampera> it's very likely not.
48:52 <Nothing\> if linux was useful for me, i would have stuck with it after using it for 2 years
48:56 <Ampera> There are only a couple things I can think of that Linux is useless for.
49:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, gaming
49:06 <Ampera> you were using Linux without experience or knowledge of how to use it on a raspbery pi.
49:08 <Nothing\> video editing
49:14 <Ampera> I can run every single game in my Steam library on Linux.
49:24 <Ampera> which is I think over a hundred, with more working every day.
49:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, i think i had plenty of time to get experience using it for 2 years
49:43 <Ampera> then you should know that your use cases are well and adequately covered on Linux
49:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'm not saying there are no games for linux
49:53 <Ampera> DaVinci Resolve, kdenlive, and blender are all great options.
50:01 <Nothing\> i'm saying the amount of games for linux is less than what is available on windows
50:03 <Ampera> Nothing\, https://www.protondb.com/
50:06 <Ampera> actually it's not
50:16 <Ampera> because Linux is far more capable of Windows than running older and backlog titles
50:29 <Ampera> while still having good and improving support for newer titles.
50:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, if it's not then i guarantee the process for running them is a lot more difficult
50:37 <Ampera> Not really.
50:38 <Nothing\> and DON'T say binaries
50:43 <Nothing\> because binaries are bullshit
50:50 <Ampera> I just download the game off Steam, and it usually just works.
50:56 <Nothing\> you get any problem with them and they're garbage
51:05 <Ampera> Downloading binaries directly is a dumb idea.
51:06 <Nothing\> and 9 out of 10 times i've had problems with them
51:13 <Ampera> That works on Windows, that is NOT how you do it on Linux
51:14 <Ampera> EVER
51:19 <Ampera> That's how you destroy linux installs
51:32 <Nothing\> why
51:50 <Ampera> why what
52:06 <Ampera> you just said 9 times out of 10 you've had problems with them
52:07 <Ampera> that's why
52:25 <Nothing\> right but why did i have so many problems with them?
52:31 <Ampera> just grabbing random binaries off the web and trying to use them rarely works as you intend it, and if you use a provided installer, it can likely mess up and even destroy your install
52:41 <Ampera> because that's just not how you do it on Linux
52:45 <Nothing\> what is it about installing binaries first as you said, that makes them so inherently destructive
52:48 <Nothing\> as you put it
52:56 <Ampera> Because every distro does things differently.
53:04 <Ampera> Stuff is stored in different directories, and there are different shared libraries.
53:08 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but why? what specifically limits you from doing this in linux?
53:21 <Ampera> On Windows, most software ships with the dependencies it needs, and installs itself in a commonly agreed location.
53:22 <Nothing\> what about linux is different from windows that makes this an issue?
53:31 <Ampera> On Linux, there is no commonly agreed location, and almost all libraries are shared between software.
53:54 <Ampera> Most Linux distros operate through binary repositories maintained by the distro full of 99% of the software you will ever need.
54:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, right but most utilities for installing binaries nowadays include required packages before the software you're installing
54:12 <Ampera> How to gain access to the 1% (which is usually ultra obscure or hard to come by software nobody uses anymore) depends on the distro.
54:16 <jaymax> There is a workaround for that problem though - AppImage, FlatPak or Snaos.
54:18 <Ampera> No they don't.
54:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, well isn't that a bit of a flaw then?
54:30 <Ampera> AppImage works, but it's irritating to install and maintain.
54:31 <Ampera> It's not.
54:35 <Nothing\> why not?
54:41 * electrohead waves at Nothing\ and jaymax
54:42 <Ampera> because package management systems deal with all that mess, and better than it works on Windows.
54:53 <Ampera> Snaps are fucking garbage and should die, along with Docker.
55:11 <Nothing\> if it prevents you from easily installing a program with a binary instead of having to go to the trouble of compiling source code that seems like a bit of a disadvantage
55:15 <jaymax> Added it for completeness - I have my bias with Snaps too
55:21 <Nothing\> and i mean, why even have binaries if they have all of these disadvantages?
55:22 <Ampera> Nothing\, I never said compiling source code
55:24 <Ampera> package managers supply binaries.
55:37 <Ampera> however, they supply binaries compiled or supplied by maintainers or community members of your distro.
55:40 <Nothing\> but that's still binaries
55:52 <Ampera> It is, but I also said just downloading binaries off the web
56:08 <Nothing\> i never said i was just downloading binaries off the web
56:14 <Ampera> which is how you'd do it on Windows. If I wanted <program> I'd go to <program>.tld, download installer.exe, and install it.
56:15 <Nothing\> i never downloaded binaries off the web
56:18 <Nothing\> ever
56:32 <Ampera> That's what I thought you meant.
56:37 <Nothing\> nope
56:40 <Nothing\> miscommunication
56:42 <Ampera> I almost never have to compile software I use.
56:46 <Nothing\> it's all good, at least i learned some stuff
56:59 <Nothing\> even if it wasn't relevant, i'm always happy to learn
56:59 <Ampera> the thing is, you also used Linux on a Raspberry Pi, which has a lot less support than Linux on a PC
57:09 <Nothing\> yeha i understad that
57:16 <Nothing\> i've also used linux outside of a pi though
57:18 <Ampera> I can count on one hand how many times I've installed a package and it didn't work at all.
57:26 <Nothing\> which is when i decided it wasn't for me
57:27 <jaymax> Nothing\ look for AppImage or FlatPak - it won't update by itself but that is the primary edge case for why people like it.
57:32 <Nothing\> long before pis even existed
57:37 <Ampera> Don't, AppImage is bad practice.
57:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh no wait
57:55 <Ampera> It's the Windows way grafted onto Linux. Native package management is /always/ the way to go
57:59 <Ampera> unless you literally have no other choice.
58:02 <Nothing\> sorry, you CAN run just as much stuff on linux as windows
58:05 <Nothing\> i almost forgot
58:13 <Nothing\> the universal answer everybody gives to that question
58:16 <Nothing\> you know it
58:18 <Ampera> if you mean VMs, I almost never use my Windows VMs
58:19 <Nothing\> it's on the tip of your tongue
58:25 <Nothing\> nope, but close
58:27 <Ampera> WINE is meh
58:31 <Ampera> I rarely use it, outside of Proton
58:33 <Nothing\> haha there ya go
58:36 <electrohead> I've had nothing but issues with those snap things, never used flatpak or appimage, have fiddled with docker in the past, and currently transitioning my docker sh'tuff to libvirt
58:45 <electrohead> wine can bl*w me
58:47 <electrohead> lol
58:48 <Nothing\> honestly every time i tried to use WINE it was just a headache that didn't run shit
59:02 <Nothing\> i'm sure it was something i was doing but still
59:11 <Ampera> It really isn't all that necessary these days. At least not in my experience.
59:16 <electrohead> I've had similar issues with wine, therefore that's why I said what I said
59:18 <Ampera> No, WINE is a nightmare.
59:18 <jaymax> What is the intended program Nothing\? Too much here for me to find in scrollback.
59:20 <Nothing\> they shoulda let steve jobs have a crack at wine
59:28 <Nothing\> he woulda given it a nice unity type gui
59:31 <Ampera> jaymax, there isn't any, this is a generic conversation.
59:32 <electrohead> lol
59:38 <jaymax> SHEESH
59:51 <Nothing\> dammit
00:06 <Nothing\> i just got the overworld music for final fantasy 1 stuck in my head
00:09 <Nothing\> now i must buy it
00:10 * electrohead hands jaymax coffee
00:16 <Nothing\> but i don't get paid till friday
00:24 <Ampera> Nothing\, Linux is how you really get to understand your computer and know how it's put together on a software and even hardware level.
00:28 <Nothing\> actually my money's already going to that new metroid game
00:54 <electrohead> Nothing\: do you have a dedicated linux machine?
00:58 <Nothing\> Ampera, so does building a computer on breadboards
00:59 <Ampera> You can not believe me or have your own opinion all you want, but I've used Linux for years, and the number of programs that I care about and couldn't get working on Linux stands at exactly 0
01:07 <Nothing\> electrohead, nope, never had a use for one
01:14 <jaymax> To each their own. If distro packages are a bad fit for the usecase, then AppImage/FlatPak is a decent choice (despite haters). I generally don't step outside distro packages, but that's me - I can understnad the other argument.
01:14 <Nothing\> i've tried it, made my decision
01:34 <electrohead> you'd fall in love eventually, I know you will lol
01:35 <Ampera> AppImage has its uses, but I think they're limited.
01:38 <Ampera> Snap is just disgusting.
01:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'll be honest i appreciate the effort and all but this is something i'm stuck with
02:11 <Nothing\> plus there's the fact that technically this is my mum's computer
02:12 <electrohead> Ampera: I tried using snap not too long ago, I literally wanted to through this computer across the room, since fucking *nothing* worked
02:20 <Ampera> Unless you try /really/ hard, I am absolutely sure you will never be proficient at computing without Linux.
02:23 <Ampera> It's literally the way of the world.
02:28 <Ampera> More computers run Linux than don't.
02:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, for legal reasons, you understand
02:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, not if servers didn't exist
02:58 <Ampera> Servers aren't the chief use case for Linux.
03:03 <Ampera> Smartphones and embedded devices are.
03:13 <Nothing\> yeah i was gonna say, embedded devices
03:15 <electrohead> Nothing\: part of me wants to send you a raspberry pi just so you can play with linux :P
03:16 <Nothing\> but smart phones?
03:27 <Nothing\> i guess android's based on linux now that i think on it, isn't it?
03:29 <Ampera> I think Android is the most commonly installed OS distribution of any sort installed in the world.
03:34 <Nothing\> huh
03:39 <Nothing\> lemme ask you something
03:44 <Ampera> Android was always Linux based.
03:45 <Nothing\> if android's supposed to be linux
03:51 <electrohead> yeah, android is based on linux
03:56 <Nothing\> why the hell is there 0 option for file management on it
04:01 <Ampera> There is though
04:02 <Ampera> plenty
04:04 <Nothing\> like, i can't even fucking VIEW my files
04:09 <Ampera> of course you can
04:11 <Nothing\> nevermind actually do anything with them
04:14 <Nothing\> how? with what?
04:15 <Ampera> of course you can
04:17 <Ampera> I do all the time
04:26 <Ampera> dozens of file manager apps with all sorts of functionality
04:27 <Ampera> one sec
04:28 <Nothing\> i've never seen a file manager come with any version of android i ever had
04:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh yeah, third party ones sure
04:42 <Ampera> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alphainventor.filemanager&hl=en_US&gl=US
04:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - File Manager - Apps on Google Play
04:45 <Ampera> so?
04:46 <Nothing\> anyone can write a file manager
04:54 <Nothing\> but why doesn't one actually COME WITH THE OS
04:57 <Ampera> My file manager on my desktop is third party and individual selected.
05:00 <Nothing\> i mean, that's just common sense
05:03 <Ampera> Some do, my phone has one that came with the OS.
05:04 <electrohead> Nothing\: have you ever enabled the terminal via the settings?
05:17 <Ampera> Aye, you can also get access to an ADB shell over USB
05:26 <Nothing\> electrohead, i've never seen any such setting otherwise i would have
05:26 <Ampera> and you get full access to all the files on the phone, so far as non-root access will allow.
05:37 <Nothing\> electrohead, which is to say the settings in android are a mess
05:43 <Ampera> Android is irritating because it's quite highly locked down unless you root it, which isn't possible on many device, and isn't easy on any of them.
05:56 <Ampera> electrohead likely means ADB, you have to enable developer settings.
06:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'm guessing that comes back to the whole right to repair argument
06:10 <Ampera> https://developer.android.com/studio/debug/dev-options
06:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Configure on-device developer options  |  Android Developers
06:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, wait isn't linux GNU?
06:31 <Ampera> huh?
06:32 <Ampera> no
06:32 <Nothing\> which means it can't be used for any for profit purposes
06:42 <Nothing\> oh
06:44 <Ampera> GNU is a project and an operating system.
06:52 <Ampera> The GNU GPL absolutely allows for commercial usage.
06:54 <Nothing\> well, open source is what i meant
06:58 <Ampera> In fact you can sell GNU GPL software for any price.
07:09 <Nothing\> i guess my idea of what GNU is was severely mistaken
07:20 <electrohead> ahh, I just searched online, the local terminal wasn't by default until a certain version. but yes, enabling dev settings will give the ability to turn that one
07:22 <electrohead> on*
07:23 <Ampera> GNU GPL is a very long and complicated license, but to my knowledge you're simply required to supply the original source code for anything licensed under it
07:25 <Nothing\> but going back to my question, isn't linux open source?
07:29 <Ampera> and under the same license that you sold it
07:31 <Ampera> It is.
07:40 <Ampera> licensed under GNU GPL v2
07:57 <electrohead> Nothing\: check this out - https://developer.android.com/studio/debug/dev-options
07:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Configure on-device developer options  |  Android Developers
08:01 <Nothing\> and open source can't be used for profit? or is it you can use it for whatever the hell you want because there is no real liscence
08:10 <Ampera> I could sell you a copy of linux for any price I wanted, so long as I provided you the source code, which you could then modify and give out for any price you wanted.
08:12 <Nothing\> electrohead, i will indeed
08:14 <Ampera> Of course it can.
08:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, ah i gotcha
08:31 <Ampera> and there is a very real license with very real restrictions of what you can and cannot do with GNU GPL software
08:51 <Nothing\> huh i always thought GNU was open source
08:53 <Ampera> The basic restrictions of GNU GPL is you must redistribute under the same license
08:55 <Nothing\> i really need to read up on it
08:57 <Ampera> GNU is an operating system.
09:00 <electrohead> Nothing\: if you never enabled developer mode before, well, you're welcome lol
09:00 <Ampera> and it is open source.
09:04 <Ampera> GNU is also a project for that operating system.
09:18 <Ampera> when you run desktop Linux, you're almost always actually running GNU
09:23 <Nothing\> electrohead, i haven't but i get the sense this is gonna open up a whole new world for me
09:30 <Nothing\> or turn my mum's phone into a brick
09:38 <Ampera> eh, developer mode is limited in use case.
09:39 <Nothing\> (i'm not allowed to own phones until february)
09:49 <electrohead> the local terminal is definitely powerful enough, but then you have Termux that is available, I recommend Termux, since there are plugins for .. everything
09:52 <Nothing\> and even then, tbh i'd probably still just use my mum's phone
10:02 <Ampera> Termux is neat, though their build environments suck ass
10:10 <Nothing\> i can't justify spending hundreds of dollars just so i can read the news on the toilet every morning on my own device
10:26 <electrohead> wait, you can't own a phone?
10:28 <Nothing\> i can stand to read shampoo bottles if my mum's gone out some place
10:33 <Nothing\> electrohead, nope, or a computer
10:43 <electrohead> ooooohh
10:45 <Nothing\> which is why i can't install linux on this computer because legally it's my mum's
10:47 <Nothing\> yeah
10:49 <Nothing\> heh
10:57 <Nothing\> but like i said, that's up in february
11:05 <Nothing\> so i haven't got long to go
11:22 <Nothing\> i'm lucky actually, i shouldn't even be using a computer without her supervision
11:28 <Nothing\> i'm not saying that i don't
11:35 <Nothing\> but if i did that would be something
11:36 <electrohead> I think you just did lol
11:49 <Nothing\> i never said no such thing
12:01 <Ampera> he's calling the mounties to go mount your ass >:D
12:03 <Nothing\> get it?
12:13 <Nothing\> i'm not talking like a hick just for the sake of it
12:18 <electrohead> :p
12:30 <Nothing\> if you catch what i did there
12:35 <jaymax> hostess hickory sticks
12:36 <Ampera> Nothing\, you do know that electrohead works for the RCMP, right?
12:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol i think they more do stuff further north
13:02 <Nothing\> they work more in the rural communities it seems
13:23 <Nothing\> i've honestly never seen a mountie, but apparently they're really abusive towards first nations people
13:27 <jaymax> RCMP? Outside city/town centres.
13:42 <Nothing\> jaymax, well outside the city here i always see OPP
13:57 <Nothing\> i've never so much as seen an RCMP car
14:16 <Nothing\> but i've never been further north than owen sound on the west and kingston on the east
14:45 <jaymax> There are a few towns that have their own instead of feeding the RCMP budget, including buttfuk Truro.
14:46 <Nothing\> and even then in kingston, i was camping out by the uranium mines so i never even saw a city or town or any civilization
14:53 <Nothing\> up near quebec, apparently
15:07 <Nothing\> jaymax, yeah that's what i figured
15:35 <Nothing\> but i mean, even when i lived in buttfuck nowhere, a small town called chesley up by owen sound with maybe 1500 people, they had their own police
16:00 <Nothing\> and this is an area where the biggest city in several counties was owen sound, with around 30,000 people
16:25 <Nothing\> i mean, you know how rural grey/bruce and cottage country are
16:34 <Nothing\> fuck that's what i shoulda put on the grocey list
16:34 <jaymax> I feel like that's the case with Truro. Small population, but municiplaity budget justifies their own police instead of spening more for federal.
16:37 <Nothing\> cottage cheese
17:06 <Nothing\> i dunno what to eat cottage cheese on or with so i always just eat it plain
17:21 <Nothing\> only problem is it's way too easy to eat a whole tub in one sitting
17:30 <Nothing\> and at 4% fat i just feel gross after that
17:53 <jaymax> Can be used instead of ricotta for lasagna
18:02 <Nothing\> jaymax, i heard they got a reverse osmosis filtration system in iqaluit
18:17 <Nothing\> sounds like they're doing a real bang up job getting things taken care of for a change
18:33 <jaymax> Makes sense - a lot of poor water quality situations in remote areas.
18:34 <Nothing\> doubly so for a change considering it's an inuit town
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18:48 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh you didn't hear what they've been going through?
19:07 <Nothing\> their public drinking water's been contaminated with fuel for almost a month now
19:20 <Nothing\> they can't even boil it to drink it
19:40 <Nothing\> luckily they have a pristine river right near by, they were pumping water out of there for people to drink
19:47 <Nothing\> and flying in skids of drinking water
20:26 <Nothing\> it really looked like they were being taken care of well. Never heard anything about lack of supplies like pumps or even a lack of bottled water
20:52 <Nothing\> except the whole thing about commercially obtained bottled water costing literally $70 a case from the grocery store
21:00 <Nothing\> which is disgusting
21:18 <Nothing\> i was looking, and a big bag of dog food costs about the same, too
21:38 <Nothing\> i can see why a lot of people up there rely more on hunting for their food than grocery stores
21:53 <jaymax> Unaware of specifics there, but there are many examples of undrinkable water on reserves and indigenous-dominant areas. Some issues going back decades. It's disturbing.
22:19 <Nothing\> jaymax, ah yeah that rings a bell now that you mention it
22:32 <Nothing\> lots of stories of people growing up without even having potable water on the reserve
22:44 <Nothing\> i'm right next to the six nations reserve so we hear all about it
23:02 <Nothing\> lots of indigenous people in and around the area
23:13 <jaymax> Northern Alberta (a bit beyond Fort Mac) had tailings contamination going on for 24 years.
23:32 <Nothing\> oh man, alberta's in a bad way right now too
23:33 <jaymax> Or should I say "has"
23:46 <Nothing\> they've got it bad with COVID and their ICUs are over capacity
25:29 <Nothing\> teacher teacher sitting on the delaware, floating on a polar bear, couldn't afford another bear. 10 days later, chewing on her underwear and that's how the underwear diiiiiieeeeed
26:13 <Nothing\> sorry, ADHD moment
26:14 <Nothing\> lol
26:29 <Nothing\> i almost kept going but caught myself beforehand
26:44 <Nothing\> now then, what to do with myself....
27:33 <Nothing\> man you know what i miss most about the past?
27:42 <Nothing\> just being able to enjoy things easier
28:28 <Nothing\> like i think about my game collection now, and including ROMs i've got literally thousands upon thousands of games at my disposal, if i had even an iota of a fraction of this many games as a child i would have been beside myself
29:01 <Nothing\> hell i remember back when just getting a new game was the greatest thing in the world. Made me happier than anything.
29:27 <Nothing\> Now I get a new game and it's just like "oh another, alright into the pile with ya"
41:55 <Nothing\> ROFL WTF
41:58 <Nothing\> https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/toronto-zoo-aiming-to-vaccinate-animals-against-covid-19
41:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - The Weather Network - Toronto Zoo aims to vaccinate animals against COVID-19
45:10 <Nothing\> can somebody do me a favor?
45:42 <electrohead> Yar?
46:06 <Nothing\> hey dude, can you just pop on here and tell me how much this game's selling for? or if it's free
46:09 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1404850/Luck_be_a_Landlord/
46:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Luck be a Landlord on Steam
46:26 <Nothing\> i'm writing a review and can't recall if i bought it or if it was freeware or how much i paid for it
46:55 <Nothing\> and for some reason steam doesn't tell you how much a game costs if you already own it
48:16 <Nothing\> hrm well it's certainly not scratching this itch i have to play something
48:28 <Nothing\> gah
48:30 <electrohead> $9.99
48:36 <Nothing\> really? ouch
48:42 <Nothing\> i woulda figured $5
49:04 <Nothing\> musta gone up in price cuz i can't see me paying $10 for this. Even though it's worth $10 imo, i wouldn't have thought so from looking at it.
50:02 <Nothing\> also i really hate how steam automatically sets my status to online every time i open it
50:10 <Nothing\> i play video games to get away from people
50:12 <electrohead> 10 dollars is better than 60 or 80, for a lot of games, heh
50:21 <Nothing\> there's nothing i hate more than when i'm playing a game and somebody messages me
50:40 <Nothing\> electrohead, that's one big reason why i prefer indie games to AAA titles
50:48 <electrohead> I imagine you can change a setting somewhere?
50:52 <Nothing\> plus i honestly don't like 99% of AAA titles
51:18 <Nothing\> electrohead, i've looked and all you can do is set your status to offline manually
51:37 <Nothing\> but again, the settings in steam aren't exactly well organized
51:51 <electrohead> what is well organized, to you? lol
52:03 <Nothing\> something intuitive
52:15 <Nothing\> where you can look at your options and instantly know which ones do what
52:35 <Nothing\> and you have a good idea of which options should be under which menu heading
52:56 <Nothing\> without having to go through each one and figure it out through trial and error
53:16 <Nothing\> electrohead, i've always said the hallmark of a well designed product is intuitive design
53:37 <Nothing\> the user should be able to look at it and immediately know at the very least, roughly how to use it
53:56 <Nothing\> BUT
54:03 <Nothing\> without sacrificing functionality
54:11 <Nothing\> and that's the big one where companies fail
54:22 <electrohead> is there a search within the settings?
54:25 <Nothing\> at least with cell phones
54:31 <Nothing\> i don't think there is
54:46 <Nothing\> i don't think i've ever seen a settings with a search option tbh
54:55 <Nothing\> unless i'm just really unobservant
55:15 <Nothing\> i dunno what it is, but i don't explore settings and options as much as i used to anymore
55:50 <Nothing\> which i really should do because it really enhances your experience and understanding of how to effectively use the software
55:53 <Nothing\> whatever it might be
56:05 <electrohead> lol
56:24 <Nothing\> i guess i've become lazy in my old age
56:27 <Nothing\> or just apathetic
56:34 <Nothing\> well not really apathetic
56:37 <Nothing\> more lethargic
56:55 <Nothing\> if i were apathetic i wouldn't get so irritated by the limitations it causes
57:27 <Nothing\> ugh speaking of legal stuff
57:42 <Nothing\> i've got a check-in with my PO today
58:11 <Nothing\> which isn't a huge deal, but my bowels are really cramping and i just want to take a bunch of laxatives and have a good poop
58:24 <electrohead> I just watched a video of an Iranian governor getting slapped
58:30 <Nothing\> but i don't wanna do that before my appointment and risk having the laxatives kick in while i'm out
58:31 <electrohead> shit was so funny to watch, heh
59:00 <Nothing\> electrohead, ever see that video of the... i think he was thai politician freaking out in parliament and stabbing himself in the arm repeatedly?
59:04 <Nothing\> it's pretty gnarly
59:11 <electrohead> I want to say yes
59:13 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qfesu6/followup_iranian_governor_slapped_during/
59:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - [FOLLOW-UP] Iranian governor slapped during inauguration ceremony 3 days ago, a new video has resurfaced showing them shaking it off with patriotic chants. propaganda at it's finest. : PublicFreakout
59:20 <electrohead> and, there's that video
59:50 <Nothing\> ah here it is
59:51 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TxZXMRUn_w
59:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: asian politician stabs self
59:55 <Nothing\> i'm surprised i found it
00:03 <Nothing\> it actually took some sleuthing to find
01:00 <Nothing\> wow
01:05 <Nothing\> he went right for the ear
01:08 <Nothing\> that had to sting
01:36 <Nothing\> you ever see those russian slapping contests?
02:51 <electrohead> lmao, yeah man
02:53 <electrohead> funny stuff
06:21 <Nothing\> ffs
06:38 <Nothing\> spider on the ceiling, went to grab it and it fell on the carpet and blended in. Now i've lost it.
06:51 <Nothing\> probably gonna end up either stepping on the thing or one of my cats'll get bit.
06:59 <Nothing\> fucking HATE spider
07:01 <Nothing\> s
07:43 * Nothing\ stares at his breadboard with nothing but 2 BJTs on it that he meant to make into a current mirror
07:46 * Nothing\ sighs
07:53 <Nothing\> i really should make this
07:54 <electrohead> I just watched that video, damn
08:00 <electrohead> yeah I never saw that one, yet
08:02 <electrohead> now I have
08:05 <electrohead> shit's crazy
08:07 <Nothing\> i know dude that's crazy isn't it
08:27 <Kuschelpony> current flow, high and low
11:31 <Nothing\> here's a neat factoid
11:52 <Nothing\> the background color on the menu screen for the PS3 changes depending on the date
12:16 <Nothing\> i remember last year around christmas it went really red and i thought that was weird
12:24 <Nothing\> so i looked it up and found that out
12:25 <T3sl4> big whoop, so does undertale
12:38 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i never got into undertale
12:47 <Nothing\> but undertale's also got 15 years on the ps3
12:53 <T3sl4> at least, that's the last thing i played that i know had a gimmick like that :P
12:58 <T3sl4> also, sup
13:02 <Nothing\> heyo
13:08 <Nothing\> how's it going, bud?
13:24 <T3sl4> just chillin
14:00 * electrohead gimmicks T3sl4
14:11 * T3sl4 films
14:34 <Nothing\> T3sl4, right on
14:36 <Nothing\> wish i could do thta
14:40 <Nothing\> actually...
14:46 * Nothing\ takes a clonazepam
14:51 <Nothing\> guess this is as close as i can get
14:54 <T3sl4> as in the dielectric, because a gimmick is also a small incidental capacitor e.g. made by twisting wires together and trimming to length
15:15 <Nothing\> hrm
15:16 <Nothing\> uh oh
15:22 <Nothing\> i can't find my clonazepam
15:31 <T3sl4> quick, clone it
15:38 <Nothing\> and if i don't... i'm gonna have a very bad time this week
15:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh man if only
15:56 <Nothing\> actually if i could i'd probably end up killing myself
16:04 <Nothing\> i relaized that's why god never let me win the lotto
16:11 <Nothing\> i'd just kill myself with my money
16:21 <Nothing\> whether it's a dui or overdose or something else
16:33 <Nothing\> i just can't trust myself with that many resources
16:39 <Nothing\> and that much power
16:59 <Nothing\> sorry i'm in kind of a melancholy mood
17:27 * T3sl4 gives Nothing\ a pumpkin pup
17:38 <T3sl4> a melon collie, to be precise
20:19 <Nothing\> hehe
20:26 <Nothing\> man i've been playing a lot of tetris 99 lately
20:43 <T3sl4> any good?
20:44 <Nothing\> i dunno if i'm out of practice or what, but i can barely beat the 150 line marathon
20:48 <Nothing\> it is, actually
21:01 <Nothing\> even just the online version is good, which is "free"
21:12 <Nothing\> aside from the subscription fee you play to play games online
21:24 <Nothing\> but that's $5 a month and works for all online games
21:25 <T3sl4> i've seen it a few times, a neat twist i guess but nothing i'm terribly drawn by :P
21:38 <Nothing\> it is a bit too chaotic at times tbh
21:42 <Nothing\> too much to focus on
22:13 <Nothing\> like you have to choose from the other 98 players, who you're going to target in terms of where the extra lines go when you get doubles, triples, etc
22:44 <Nothing\> so you've gotta watch what they're doing and what everyone else is doing to make the most effective use of your extra lines
23:04 <Nothing\> meanwhile you're mis-placing pieces and screwing up cuz you don't have your eyes on your screen
23:21 <Nothing\> or you just have to stop playing for a few seconds to examine what's going on
23:43 <Nothing\> usually i just set it to automatically target people who will die easily and get me KO badges
24:35 <Nothing\> and yeah, the single player seems harder than usual somehow
24:58 <Nothing\> but maybe that's cuz i'm used to these new fangled versions that let you hold a piece
25:12 <Nothing\> actually wait, this does let you hold a piece
25:17 <Nothing\> so i dunno what the problem is
25:33 <Nothing\> i just remember being able to easily surpass 200 lines in tetris DS
25:57 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qf6ffq/not_a_fan_of_masks/
25:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
26:07 <electrohead> go to the 25-26 second mark
26:15 <electrohead> dude's glasses go flying xD
26:45 <Nothing\> also tetris 99 kinda sucks cuz you can earn "tickets" by completing goals they assign you each day, right
27:26 <Nothing\> and you use these tickets to buy themes, which some of them are cool like an SMB theme, or a donkey kong theme
27:41 <Nothing\> but it costs 15-30 tickets to get a theme
27:52 <Nothing\> you only earn 1 ticket for every goal you complete
27:55 <Ampera> electrohead, fucking decked
28:01 <Nothing\> and you can only complete a maximum of 4 goals per day
28:18 <Nothing\> and that's IF you can complete all 4 goals
28:28 <T3sl4> normal f2p junk
28:30 <Nothing\> like a couple of times i've had a goal like "complete 3 T spins"
28:44 <Nothing\> and i'm like "wtf is a 'T-Spin'?"
29:00 * electrohead redirects Nothing\ to meat spin
29:05 <Nothing\> i've been playing tetris since i could hold a controller and i've never heard of no damn T-spin
29:19 * T3sl4 throws electrohead a lemon party
29:28 <Nothing\> electrohead, leol there was an episode of the simpsons i saw the other day where mr burns was naively talking about having a lemon party
29:33 <Nothing\> rofl T3sl4
29:35 <Nothing\> right on cue
29:38 <electrohead> lmfao
30:21 <Nothing\> electrohead, he accidentally walked into a gay bar and the gays were like "ooooh somebody's having a lemon party" and mr burns naively recounts an actual lemon party he once had
30:25 <Nothing\> like a party with lemons
30:51 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMX11UEhWpA
30:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Simpsons lemon party reference!
30:56 <Nothing\> i knew it'd be on youtube lol
31:35 <Nothing\> oh that's right, first squeeze
31:53 * T3sl4 squeezes Nothing\'s lemons
31:54 <Nothing\> i misremembered that. Good thing i posted the video so i could make myself look like an ass for misquoting it
32:02 <Nothing\> T3sl4, ooohoohoohoo
32:31 <Nothing\> i wonder how many lgbts there are in here
33:11 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was because it was a drug chat or what, but the last 2 servers i frequented had abnormally high numbers of LGBTs in them
33:23 <T3sl4> irc draws weirdos
33:50 <Nothing\> i dunno if it's because it was a drug chat and lgbt people tend to have a lot more emotional tumult in their lives and hence would be more likely to use drugs to cope
34:08 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah that was gonna be my second hypothesis
34:23 <T3sl4> both is likely
34:32 <Nothing\> but i mean weirdo in the best possible way
34:49 <Nothing\> like, the way that i take it as a compliment when somebody says i'm weird
34:59 <Nothing\> it's hard to explain but i'm sure you understand
35:36 <Nothing\> i see being weird as something that sets me apart from others, something that makes me unique and therefor gives me more value as a person
35:45 <Nothing\> plus, humans love novelty
35:57 <Nothing\> except when it comes to tribalism for some reason
36:21 <Nothing\> dammit my cat figured out how to get us to play with her with the laser pointer
36:29 <Nothing\> so now she's asking us literally every hour to play
36:50 <Nothing\> i figured a couple times a day was plenty of exercise for her but now she just wants it constantly
37:03 <T3sl4> attention whores
37:18 <Nothing\> she just sits in front of the cabinet and meow in the saddest, most pathetic way she can
38:17 <Nothing\> hey, is it weird that i like to blow on her anus?
38:31 <Nothing\> it's nothing sexual, i just think it's funny as hell how it makes her jump
38:45 <TheDude> a belated hello
38:52 <Nothing\> lol i remember as a kid, my one friend was fascinated by my cat's anus
39:02 <Nothing\> he even poked it more than once
39:02 <TheDude> had another virtual interview today
39:05 <TheDude> it went well :D
39:06 <Nothing\> hey TheDude
39:08 <T3sl4> you arrived at the perfect time, TheDude
39:16 <Nothing\> awesome! congrats dude
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39:22 <Nothing\> good luck on that
39:26 <TheDude> a wizard is never late, nor is he early
39:27 <Nothing\> i hope it pans out for you.
39:35 <TheDude> he arrives precisely when he means to
39:46 <Nothing\> man ffs
39:49 <TheDude> :D
40:07 <Nothing\> i left a window opened last night before bed with a game's folder open as a reminder to play said game when i got up
40:35 <Nothing\> but then i looked something up absentmindedly in the middle of the night and lost it and i can't for the life of me think what it was
41:05 <Nothing\> i feel like it was unreal tournament 2004
41:16 <Nothing\> but i got tired of that game really fast
41:22 <Nothing\> it hasn't aged well
41:41 <Nothing\> or maybe it's just my dislike of multiplayer games
41:57 <TheDude> multiplayer games are awesome
42:01 <TheDude> you're weird :(
42:53 * T3sl4 railguns TheDude
43:08 * TheDude BFG10ks T3sl4
43:18 <T3sl4> oof
43:26 * electrohead films
43:35 <T3sl4> spectates*
44:01 <electrohead> :p
44:06 * jaymax grabs popcorn
44:15 * electrohead grabs the beer
44:19 <TheDude> anyhow
44:29 <TheDude> I think this search of better salary is going quite well so far
44:39 <steve30> o/
44:56 <TheDude> I'm supposedly getting a better deal from the current company this week
45:13 <TheDude> we'll see how far they're willing to stretch their wallet
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46:56 <Nothing\> heh
47:07 <Nothing\> actually insta-gib railgun matches were pretty fun
47:23 <Nothing\> or was it a rail gun in ut2k4
47:50 <Nothing\> the one with the purple beam or the purple ball that moved slower but did more damage
48:04 <Nothing\> and you could fire a ball, then shoot it with the beam to make it explode
48:08 <T3sl4> back in the day i'd play quake 2 at like 160 fov, extreme fisheye... somehow i did not too bad even
48:23 <Nothing\> lol
48:32 <Nothing\> not many games let you adjust the FOV anymore
48:54 <Nothing\> it's sad because with widescreen displays, a higher FOV would work much better
49:01 <Nothing\> especially with a curved display
49:17 <Nothing\> or VR
49:27 <Nothing\> though i've never used modern VR so I can't say for sure
52:00 <Nothing\> HOT DAMN!
52:24 <Nothing\> just got that spider i was after before and lost
52:35 <Nothing\> my awesome cat found him again
52:46 <Nothing\> that's why she was meowing, not because of the laser lol
53:14 <Nothing\> okay now she's meowing to be annoynig
55:05 * steve30 meows for the fun of it
56:02 <jaymax> \o_
56:45 * jaymax finds Eddie to nuzzle with steve30
00:18 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/HuYpCvQ.jpg
00:34 <steve30> hehe
00:39 * steve30 ponders coffee
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23:55 * T3sl4 doesn't ponder coffee
24:12 <T3sl4> (no need to when it's in front of me)
35:54 * steve30 curls up around T3sl4's coffee cup
36:49 * arch stuffs worms down T3sl4's pants
41:44 * T3sl4 sprinkles squirrels down arch's trousers
42:43 <arch> aw nuts
43:00 * T3sl4 chucks whole walnuts at arch
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09:57 <Nothing\> welp
10:02 <Nothing\> gotta go check in with probation now
10:09 <Nothing\> which really isn't a bad thing
10:16 <Nothing\> i like my PO and get along with her well
10:19 <Nothing\> plus she's kinda hot
10:30 <TheDude> pics
10:41 <Nothing\> lol they don't let you bring cameras for phones in
10:45 <Nothing\> probably for that very reason
10:54 <TheDude> lol, what is she gonna do?
11:11 <Nothing\> have me arrested and/or charged
11:17 <TheDude> oh, yeah, right
11:20 <Nothing\> lol
11:30 <Nothing\> nah she's pretty cool though
11:41 <Nothing\> like i was supposed to do some form of therapy or counselling
11:46 <Nothing\> and my first therapist was an idiot
11:58 <Nothing\> then the second time i went to see him hi absolutely REEKED like pot
12:31 <Nothing\> so i told her straight up, how i felt and what happened and she totally treated me seriously
12:38 <TheDude> his job must be stressful, give him a break
12:51 <TheDude> :D
12:51 <Nothing\> let me file a complaint with her supervisor, who was even more understanding and helpful
12:59 <Nothing\> TheDude, oh i know i couldn't imagine
13:16 <Nothing\> i would NOT have tho patience to work in social services of any kind
13:36 <TheDude> anything social related for me
14:08 <TheDude> I've had a fair number of encounters with HR people these last couple of weeks because of the job hunt
14:31 <TheDude> they're rather predictable but so fucking boring
14:48 <Nothing\> predictable is good because it means they can be manipulated
14:52 <Nothing\> easier
16:15 <Nothing\> heh my PO's happy with my so long as I don't contact my brother's ex, and keep my nose clean re: the law
16:20 <Nothing\> which i do anyways
17:14 <Nothing\> alright i should start getting ready
17:18 <Nothing\> don't wanna be late
17:20 <Nothing\> ta ta
55:21 <Halcyon> Hehehe I think I shut Bassman59 up: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/how-is-this-insanity-safe!/msg3768926/#msg3768926
55:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - How is this INSANITY safe?! - Page 1
55:54 <Halcyon> That was a sweet "tail between the legs" moment
58:46 <Sigyn> So I was out riding my mountain bike yesterday morning and there were powerlines running over this arroyo, and they were making a cycical noise, like once or twice a second. Probably just a heavy cylical load on the lines? Or could the insulators be bad or something and some sort of RC circuit going on with arcing?
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14:27 <T3sl4> Sigyn: can you be more specific what the sound was like
20:34 <DHess_US> Sigyn, yes
20:57 <DHess_US> insulator is cracked or they need cleaning
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22:56 <DHess_US> You might occasionally see a power company truck out cleaning insulators with a water spray because over time surface breakdown causes considerable power loss, which costs money.
24:04 <Sigyn> T3sl4: it wasn't a obvious crackling arcing noise, sounded like of like a almost metalic hum or ringing.
24:41 <T3sl4> sounds more like nearby machinery
26:14 <Sigyn> I'll pay more attention and maybe see if I can make a faithful recording next time I ride in that location. See if it is still doing it.
12:39 * electrohead gropes Halcyon
22:42 <T3sl4> uhh
22:58 <T3sl4> so um, when win7 cmd doesn't use a PATH
23:03 <T3sl4> when the PATH is set correctly
23:12 <T3sl4> and the path, you know, exists and all
23:28 <T3sl4> ...is that just a thing or something?
26:56 <Nothing\> man wtf
27:08 <rust_collector> yes, sorry
27:13 <rust_collector> it just happened
27:18 <Nothing\> a 5mm diffuse RGB LED, just plain LED on sparkfun is $2 EACH
27:21 <Nothing\> EACH
27:39 <Nothing\> i paid less than that for a pack of 100 on aliexpress
28:17 <rust_collector> buy a million of them, and they will be very cheap
28:39 <Nothing\> lol i don't think you get a volume discount from sparkfun
29:01 <rust_collector> no, but they get them somewhere
29:18 <rust_collector> and, you probably do, if you have a serious volume
29:52 <T3sl4> so, they sell them as a convenience?
30:46 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i think so. It's like "here's a project, and here's what you need for that project. By the way, you can buy everything for your project from us"
34:03 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwY5o2fsG7Y
34:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Biff's Question Song (Stand-up Comedy)
34:29 <Nothing\> tom wilson (biff tannen) wrote a song about questions he gets asked a lot about back to the future
36:44 <Nothing\> there are a few different versions, as tends to happen with live songs
37:02 <Nothing\> frankly i think crispin glover's song was better, though
37:33 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6b_lSQst0
37:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Crispin Glover "Clownly Clown Clown" ‌‌ - Bohemia Afterdark
37:50 <electrohead> any one in here proficient with git and sending pull requests?
37:58 <electrohead> I *think* that's what I need to do
38:21 <electrohead> I made new maps for an android game, and would like to .. send the updates, or whatever that's called
40:31 <electrohead> oh, wait, I think I figured this out
43:05 <Nothing\> hrm i have a keloid on my leg
43:22 <Nothing\> i wonder if i could remove it myself or if i'd just cause even more scarring
43:31 <Nothing\> how does that even work
44:25 <rust_collector> I should get one of those, for the spot I have a hole in my knee
45:11 <Nothing\> that's okay, i have this weird >1cm in length growth on the skin over my tail bone
45:24 <Nothing\> it sucks cuz that's right where i put pressure when i sit
45:35 <electrohead> should probably see a doctor about that
45:38 <Nothing\> and it gets really itchy for some reason
45:51 <Nothing\> electrohead, believe me i've been trying
46:56 <Nothing\> kinda hadr to get such things loooked after when your doctor doesn't even come into the office to see patient
47:04 <T3sl4> also, uh, that's odd, why the fuck do i have python already installed, i don't recall doing that myself, but what would i have installed that used it?
48:07 * steve30 had food
52:38 <electrohead> T3sl4: what distro?
52:42 <electrohead> or, you on windows right now?
52:46 <T3sl4> win7
53:43 <electrohead> hrmm
53:54 <electrohead> can you see an install date/time?
54:18 <T3sl4> 5/3/2021
54:31 <T3sl4> there's a py and pyw.exe in C:\WINDOWS
54:45 <T3sl4> trying to remember what if anything i was doing that long ago :P
56:18 <electrohead> were you fucking with the source code to the bot, by chance? :p
56:31 <T3sl4> no? :P
57:16 <electrohead> lol
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06:12 <electrohead> yay, I submitted my first changes ever, to a pre-existing project
06:23 <electrohead> I think I did it correctly, if not, well.. I'll find out
08:01 <rust_collector> if you did it wrong, you deleted everything... and... then no one will notice, so it is fine
08:27 <electrohead> lol
08:34 <electrohead> I didn't delete anything :P
08:47 <rust_collector> yes, that is what you have to say
22:18 <T3sl4> wow
22:30 <T3sl4> wow.
22:47 <T3sl4> so. did you know, windows PATH command right?
22:53 <T3sl4> it doesn't RTRIM white space
23:44 <T3sl4> so "PATH C:\FOO " will look for, well, "FOO " not "FOO"
24:44 <rust_collector> that makes sense. why do you want it to look for something you did not ask it to look for?
26:31 <electrohead> it doesn't?
26:33 <electrohead> hrrrmmm
26:39 <electrohead> that gives me ideas, heh
27:02 <rust_collector> are you going to change your grades from school?
28:26 <rust_collector> eh, good night
31:44 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/p8ZdcPK
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22:57 <electrohead> https://www.f-secure.com/en/consulting/foundry/usb-armory
22:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - USB armory | F-Secure
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29:57 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
30:41 * electrohead strangles Ampera with love
30:42 <electrohead> lol, hey dude
30:45 <electrohead> :p
30:56 <Ampera> how are you doing sparkgap?
31:06 <electrohead> sparkgap? lmao
31:10 * T3sl4 ionizes electrohead
31:18 <Ampera> I'm on my laptop modem
31:22 * electrohead dissipates
31:22 <Ampera> waiting for my brother
31:42 * Ampera ironizes T3sl4 with a skillet to the face
31:57 <T3sl4> what up, home skillet
32:13 <Ampera> that joke was critically panned upon launch.
32:31 <T3sl4> what are you, pansexual?
32:38 <Ampera> no, I just steel jokes.
32:51 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/h2cN75J.jpg
32:59 <T3sl4> better call the copper (bottom)s
33:38 <Ampera> why, just to be lameinated?
35:37 <T3sl4> lamentable
35:57 <jaymax> Such a time zinc, this place.
36:44 <Ampera> it really plumbs away the time
37:13 <jaymax> Ugh, I fee ldrained.
38:18 <Ampera> don't say that, ytt's not too bad.
38:56 <T3sl4> if he's gonna die we'll have to Barium
40:02 <Ampera> fuck that, give him some healium.
40:07 <jaymax> Rust in Peace
40:25 <Ampera> oh did rust_collector die?
40:27 <Ampera> rip
40:31 <T3sl4> a nuclear murderer?
40:48 <Ampera> there's protons and controns to everything
40:59 <jaymax> Only if Alec shot him too
41:08 <T3sl4> oof
42:01 <jaymax> Hollywood is a mess - seem to be back in the MGM Wizard of Oz days. Scary stuff.
42:26 <Ampera> the Alec Baldwin situation is hilarious, both for the absolute and complete failure of any safety protocol whatsoever on that set, and for how poorly the media presented it.
42:56 <jaymax> The media is obfuscating for political reasons, IMO
43:25 <Ampera> 3 major rules were broken. 1. they brought on an inexperienced armorer who didn't know what they were doing, and wasn't told clearly enough what to load 2. the guy holding the gun (and apparently in charge of safety on that set) didn't check the gun himself, and the biggest, 3. someone pointed a gun at something they did not intend to destroy.
43:37 <Ampera> The media is obfuscating because they're fucking dumbasses
44:13 <Ampera> they're people trained to know that gun bad, hollywood elites good, and anything beyond that or of more nuance they couldn't figure out if you gave them the final draft.
44:14 <jaymax> also 4. the gun went off on set before, and 5. staff walked off because of those safety issues.
44:43 <Ampera> 4 and 5 are mostly results of 1, 2, and 3
45:10 <jaymax> Oops, didn't notice the "rules" part.
47:04 <Ampera> Rule 1. People who do not know how to use and maintian guns should not be giving guns to people who also don't 2. You're responsible for what's in your hands if it's a car, a plane, or a gun 3. Never give a gun, loaded or unloaded, to a guy who does not know how /not/ to use one.
47:28 <jaymax> ^ This.
48:47 <Ampera> I have no idea if the armorer on set actually said this, but it's an anecdote either way. To paraphrase: The thing I like the most about working with guns is showing people how safe they are
49:31 <Ampera> Guns are not and will never be safe, just like cars are not and will never be safe. You are operating a machine that is fully capable of immediately and permanently deleting a life. That is a danger you need to be trained for and understand.
50:43 <jaymax> I think the perpetual film/serial release cycle was on it's way of being doomed for a while now, in part because what has been release the past 15 years has been tired and boring. IMO this is a big reason to the heavy competition of streaming services, insofar to gatekeep content you don't own and throttle the back-catalouge.
51:59 <jaymax> Going back to what has been produced long ago would have been a sane alternative for the end-consumer, except now it's *mostly* inaccessible given how the industry has changed.
54:00 <jaymax> Not necessarily "changed", but the landscape shifted in a practical and legal sense that limits people from getting off that treadmill.
18:04 <user1> Good morning everybody (except for the Jews)
18:40 <electrohead> o.O
18:45 * electrohead stabs user1
20:03 <user1> don't stab people (unless they are Jews)
22:15 <user1> I like all kinds of people but not the Jews. Cause they aren't human beings, those are creatures straight out from hell
23:00 <jaymax> Juicy
23:32 <jaymax> But I'm confused by what's going on here.
24:37 <electrohead> user1: a joke is one thing, but if you keep going off about the jews, then there's a problem
25:54 <user1> got you. I'll let them Jews be Jews...
26:11 <jaymax> The ring 0 problem is that "I like all kinds of people but"... Liking all is some Twitter nonsense.
26:31 <user1> But then what's the purpose of this chat? Nobody's talking about electronics either
26:36 <jaymax> Meanwhile, I hate everyone, but I'll tak to anyone.
30:03 <electrohead> lol
30:29 <jaymax> That reminds me user1 --- for me to place 10.8v laptop packs in serial, is there a count that ends up "close enough" voltage to a common multiple?
30:32 * electrohead solders all of user1's components to perfboard, and tapes it to the ceiling
31:26 <jaymax> It seems less interesting to shuck dozens of these things.
33:33 <electrohead> in serial?
33:48 <jaymax> Series. But for unpacked 18650's (3 in series does the laptop-advertised 10.8v), 10 series is considered 36V, 13s 48v, etc.
34:22 <jaymax> electrohead why my brain no work?
35:39 <electrohead> because you didn't ask me to shock you?
36:05 * jaymax asks for cattle prod schematics
38:23 <jaymax> But anyway....
44:23 <electrohead> lol
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52:02 <jaymax> If I go with 5 in series (15s), that's a charge/discharge profile (staying more within the 20%-80% range) as 52.5v-55.5v, which is a tad higher than my LFP milkcrate battey.
53:30 <electrohead> milkcrate battey?
53:31 <electrohead> lol
54:16 <jaymax> Oops - to clarify and correct... 5 packs in series (equivalent to 15s at the cell level), range as 52.5v-60v.
55:35 <jaymax> Affirmative on the milkcrate battery - 32 of those Navitas LFP 25Ah cells packed into a milk crate.
55:54 <electrohead> ahh
55:58 <jaymax> 2p16s
56:04 <electrohead> heh
56:12 <electrohead> did you blow anything up, yet? :p
56:24 <jaymax> so, 48 to 52-ish volt range.
56:30 <jaymax> Not *yet*
57:26 <electrohead> *yet*
57:34 <electrohead> I hope you film that shit, when it does blow
57:37 <jaymax> But it's 2.4kWh of potential problems - mind you, LPF so at least the situation isn't as dire.
57:40 <electrohead> Will be a good site to see :P
57:51 <electrohead> sight*
59:03 <jaymax> I have a 1.3kWh pack of the Li-Ion variety (Manganese?) in an ammo box - I have more boomiary fears associated to that one.
59:53 <jaymax> 140 of the 2.2Ah 18650 cells, arranged in 14p10s.
01:40 <jaymax> There's gonna be so much battery componentry here, when the grid fails I'll need to have that charged cattle prod to protect my inventory. LOL
02:25 <electrohead> Lmfao
03:03 <electrohead> I was looking at your github repo/projects today, as I logged into my github account from a browser for the first time in .. months
03:27 <electrohead> Since you starred my bot repo :P
03:34 <jaymax> Haha
03:51 <jaymax> I have little value in my GH profile at this point
07:44 <jaymax> https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/nJBan3QWax5FHdi
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08:41 <jaymax> I still need to give it a few charge/discharge cycles.
11:10 <jaymax> And in case you are wondering electrohead, there are rubber spacers underneath that piece of wood.
12:49 <electrohead> "This application requires JavaScript for correct operation. Please enable JavaScript and reload the page. "
12:52 <electrohead> -.-
13:37 <electrohead> I can see it now :P
13:40 <electrohead> that's nice!
13:57 <jaymax> Thanks.
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01:55 <arch> swapped from my gaming desktop to a thinkcentre tiny. saving like 200W power, easily. no noticeable performance impacts
02:11 <arch> probably more than 200W. i have a GTX1660S in that machine
03:17 <arch> thinkcentre's average power i measured to be ~14W
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27:52 <K> hello britches
31:42 <Halcyon> Hello Cheezel
32:15 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheezels
32:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Cheezels - Wikipedia
03:38 <K> that is so cheezy
29:00 <Halcyon> :)
23:14 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
29:00 <K> hey, Ysjoelfir, is this fiberglass or just epoxied paper - https://www.conrad.de/de/p/rademacher-wr-typ-611-basismaterial-zweiseitig-35-m-fotobeschichtung-ohne-l-x-b-160-mm-x-100-mm-1-st-528471.html#productTechData ?
29:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - %product-title% kaufen
29:15 <K> can not grasp the language there :/
36:01 <K> i am trying to find a place where to get double sided FR1
36:15 <K> no much luck so far in eu
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30:48 <Ysjoelfir> K , it says "Epoxy" as material. I would assume its fiber, as the cheaper stuff is called by conrad "HArtpapier" = hard paper
31:07 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
31:09 <Ampera> good morning friend
31:17 * Ampera offers Ysjoelfir some tea
31:25 <K> ah.
38:14 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera, and thanks. I am now officially on sickleave and still sitting at the home office pc... I am such a good employee, am I not?
38:31 <Ampera> why are you on sick leave
53:56 <K> he has the sickens
10:10 <Ysjoelfir> I had this vertigo shit a few weeks ago, and this weekend again. "luckily" it was also here today, when the throat-nose-ear doctor has his emergency appointment time. So I went there and he diagnosed me with "Probably Morbus Meniere"
14:22 <user1> Hey K, why only one K?
14:29 <user1> Triple K is much better
15:29 <K> no, it is not.
17:36 <Ampera> my god you're still here?
17:38 <Ampera> lol
25:51 <Ysjoelfir> so. finished all stuff I wanted to manage at work, I'll log off now.
26:44 <Ampera> good bye, I love you, don't die
26:45 <Ampera> thank you
26:47 <Ampera> come again
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