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00:40 <Seng> So some kind of bodily fluid. Thanks!
01:30 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/MNF5Mmz.jpg
02:38 <T3sl4> one of those. although given the appearance, you might not be far off
05:22 <K> eew.
05:39 <rust_collector> eel
06:19 <Seng> Nice. Fungi is a super interesting topic! Morel is also native to where I live.
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08:32 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted to try morels.
09:01 <T3sl4> yeah they're pretty widely distributed
11:55 <T3sl4> the most impressive display i saw was this, https://imgur.com/gallery/EXIWJMI unsurprisingly, that tree came down this year
11:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Huge ass shelf mushrooms - Album on Imgur
13:30 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, that should be.... ok, whats that in english now....
13:53 <Ysjoelfir> dryads saddle according to google
14:11 <Ysjoelfir> in that stage of the picture it should be a nice meal xD
15:27 <K> heh, litreal translation for morels from latvian is "bearmuzzles"
16:18 <Seng> I mean, when it comes to "impressive displays" this one i most amazing! https://imgur.com/M4qRxau (NSFW)
16:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
16:46 <Ysjoelfir> K - lol :P I like that
17:32 <K> thats a penis.
18:09 <Seng> Latin name for it is Phallus impudicus.
24:53 <electrohead> o/
27:13 <rust_collector> HELLO! electrohead, and the masters of the universe, turtle power!
28:18 * electrohead bows
28:20 <electrohead> danke :p
30:10 * T3sl4 sautees up electrohead some stinkhorn
30:55 <electrohead> I don't feel like working today
33:45 <rust_collector> I didn't either, so I went home
34:11 <Ysjoelfir> I don't feel like working either. So I am idling here, chatting, and in general being annoyed by stuff.
34:25 <Ysjoelfir> especially by stupid coworkers
35:20 <K> describe the stupid
39:20 <Ysjoelfir> We want to start selling power strips. I noticed that big brands like Brennenstuhl just sell them as bulk. So I asked our compliance officer to provide an overview what we need to show in regards to safety information according to european laws.
40:00 <Ysjoelfir> her answer was: "Please send me a photo of the product you want to sell and a selling description and I will request a [paid] answer from our compliance partner".
40:28 <Ysjoelfir> but that is of absolutely no use for me, I want a GENERAL guideline, not one specific for that one product. Also, who the fuck needs a pic and a description of a mains power strip!?
43:01 <Ysjoelfir> so I tried to explain to her again and again and now she got mad at me, started getting loud and involving the general manager because I told her that this stupid behaviour of her jsut results in more money and time wasted than if I would have just googled for 10 minutes
43:18 <Ysjoelfir> and that I wonder why we have a compliance department if she can't even answer that
51:24 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: you should know better. blanket her with a hundred requests to cover the "general" nature of your query
51:46 <T3sl4> it's not your place to question the nature of the bureaucracy, or its many seeming inefficiencies!
51:56 <rust_collector> yes. use it against them
52:06 <rust_collector> make them suffer
53:06 <T3sl4> alternately, perhaps it's your manager's (or higher up still, some corporate marketing BS?) place to decide what products to sell, and only they get such nuanced responses as that
55:37 <Ysjoelfir> sadly, its my position to decide that T3sl4 ^^ I am the product manager, I decide what to sell. But I need guidelines of WHAT I need to give in terms of documentation.
56:57 <T3sl4> Ahh, sure
57:56 <T3sl4> then perhaps the best plan is to forge ahead irrrregardless and, what's that word they love oh yes, delegate those things to your underlings!
22:04 <T3sl4> gotta love that part number, https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/389/dm00418617-1799058.pdf
22:52 <rust_collector> 
22:55 <K> does Ysjoelfir have any underlings?
23:29 <T3sl4> rust_collector is spacing out
23:38 <K> quite ok mosfet eh
23:55 <T3sl4> would say so
24:29 <Ysjoelfir> Yep, I have underlings. But sadly they don't really recognize that yet
24:55 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 - I can't immagine that NOT being on purpose :D
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25:20 <rust_collector> YAAAY!
25:25 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, you killed it! :D
25:32 <rust_collector> thanks
25:40 <T3sl4> \o/
27:45 <electrohead> \o/
28:04 * T3sl4 PDFs the electrobot
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28:49 <T3sl4> amperaa.net
28:50 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
28:56 <Ysjoelfir> xD
33:59 <Ampera> I have been tempted more than once to buy a second domain just so I can pwn his bot some more
35:09 * Ysjoelfir offers Ampera to use his https://pdi.technology domain
35:34 <Ampera> sure, just make a really big html file
35:37 <Ampera> 1-4GB or so
35:39 <Ampera> then link the bot to it
35:43 <Ampera> you'll bring it down
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> lol
36:06 <Ysjoelfir> why does it parse the whole file? oO I thought it just reads the header to report that back?
36:16 <T3sl4> because libraries
44:12 <rust_collector> evil old librarians
46:19 <K> if you can manage to convince web-server to serve already compressed file as "real compressed content", wouldn't even take that much space
47:20 <T3sl4> or active content that just reads endlessly from /dev/null
49:05 <K> that consumes a lot of bandwidth
49:31 <K> more than gziped 4Gigs of letter 'a'
49:35 <T3sl4> would depend on how well it compresses in transit, ye
53:44 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, because sparkyguy doesn't know how to do it right :P
53:52 <Ysjoelfir> XD
54:28 <EEVBot> F you, guys!
54:40 <K> such foul launguage
54:53 <K> i demand a recount!
54:55 * EEVBot fondles K
55:00 <rust_collector> 5!
55:08 <K> five recounts?
55:14 <rust_collector> NI!
55:14 <T3sl4> EEVBot, why don't you https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/389/dm00418617-1799058.pdf
55:15 <EEVBot> T3sl4: nega-tory, ghost rider!
55:22 <K> haha
55:29 <Ampera> EEVBot, don't make me murder you
55:54 <T3sl4> K: no, 120 recounts
56:14 <EEVBot> Not if I murder you, first.
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56:37 <Ampera> murder me?
56:47 Mode: (by ChanOP) +v EEVBot
56:57 <T3sl4> murther!
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01:05 <electrohead> https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/389/dm00418617-1799058.pdf
01:08 <electrohead> EEVBot: test
01:08 <EEVBot> electrohead: nega-tory, ghost rider!
01:13 <electrohead> :p
01:19 <rust_collector> EEVBot detest
01:20 <EEVBot> rust_collector: nega-tory, ghost rider!
03:01 <T3sl4> EEVBot doth protest too much
03:02 <EEVBot> T3sl4: nega-tory, ghost rider!
03:15 <K> a good spankin is in order, i say
03:28 * EEVBot spanks K
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23:32 <K> pnneh
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14:11 * Ampera offers TheDude some english breakfast tea
15:25 <TheDude> g'day
15:31 <TheDude> I did a thing today
15:43 <TheDude> went to a job fair
16:04 <TheDude> handed out a fair number of CVs
16:32 <TheDude> and the company that I work for also had a stand there
16:38 <TheDude> I went to say hello :D
16:44 <TheDude> made sure they saw me there
21:48 <Ampera> hahahahaha
21:49 <Ampera> haha
25:46 <T3sl4> nice
26:14 <TheDude> well
26:51 <TheDude> I made it very clear previously that I was browsing for alternatives because I'm not happy with the current remuneration
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27:04 * T3sl4 nods
27:28 <TheDude> coincidentally, I also had a meeting today with one of the bosses about them trying to improve the situation
27:45 <TheDude> and supposedly they'll give me a better offer some time next week
27:49 <TheDude> and we'll go from there
28:32 <TheDude> it was merely a coincidence that the job fair happened to be organized today
29:01 <Ampera> I am so happy with my job I'm terrified of the prospect of losing it
29:16 <Ampera> a lot of the personal time I am investing into myself has largely been to increase my skillset to make me more employable
29:34 <TheDude> that is a very good strategy
29:54 <Ampera> I've made a lot of progress in systems administration, networking, and maintaining web stacks
30:16 <Ampera> with real world examples including a ~30 site web cluster I admin (mostly video game wikis)
30:46 <TheDude> freaking nice :)
32:38 <TheDude> also
32:53 <TheDude> as I was having the conversation with that boss today
33:34 <TheDude> he asked me to keep it to myself that they're trying to set a special sort of deal with me and some other chosen few people
33:55 <TheDude> that it's not going to be just in general
34:02 <Ampera> pff
34:02 <Ampera> take it
34:06 <T3sl4> you mean he's doing that american thing where workers aren't supposed to talk about each others wages?
34:33 <TheDude> because "people that are least deserving of raises are usually the ones that complain the most"
34:33 <Ampera> If the other employees are being underpaid that's their problem to sort out and deal with, just like your own is yours.
35:07 <TheDude> I casually dropped "I mean... it's not a secret that the salaries here are lower than the industry average for this sort of work"
35:08 <T3sl4> so, conversely, that you've been complaining at least some sufficient amount, means...?
35:21 <TheDude> anyhow
35:40 <TheDude> I took the opportunity to ask about a close coworker of mine
35:57 <TheDude> if he is also being considered on that "limited list of employees"
36:08 <TheDude> he told me yes
36:21 <TheDude> and I mentioned that he has also been browsing around for better alternatives
36:46 <TheDude> but that he's the kind of guy that is not usually going to complain and that it might be too late to approach him if he gets a better deal beforehand
37:06 <T3sl4> :)
38:01 <Ampera> what language do you typically use at work
38:05 <TheDude> then he thanked me for telling him and said that he wishes people would speak up if they're dissatisfied so they can try to do something before they just hand in their resignations
38:18 <Ampera> wait
38:36 <TheDude> we speak Slovenian normally, but this guy is from Germany, so we speak English
38:36 <Ampera> "people that are least deserving of raises are usually the ones that complain the most"
38:40 <Ampera> are those his words?
38:55 <TheDude> not directly, I paraphrased it slightly
39:02 <TheDude> but it is true
39:05 <Ampera> to the same effect I mean
39:09 <Ampera> lol
39:14 <TheDude> you need to understand something else
39:38 <TheDude> if people are not performing the best, but still kinda sorta doing the bare minimum, you can't fire them easily here
39:56 <Ampera> believe me that's the same where I work
39:56 <TheDude> and we do have people like that
39:59 <TheDude> and they do complain
40:09 <Ampera> you really have to drop the ball more than usual in order to get fired
40:21 <T3sl4> so there's also little incentive to work harder
40:28 <Ampera> like, you really need to scrawl shit on a screen and hand it in as a testing report
40:33 <TheDude> don't you have that "at will" thing for firing people?
40:38 <Ampera> amazingly we still manage to get shit done
40:57 <Ampera> Yes, but that doesn't mean any one person can just decide to kick someone out the door
41:10 <Ampera> the company has very complicated procedures for firing people, so you can't just be axed
41:18 <Ampera> unless you do something impressively bad
41:23 <TheDude> alright
41:43 <TheDude> but is it the policy of your company specifically, or is that mandated by law?
41:53 <Ampera> That's the policy of the company.
42:12 <TheDude> because from my understanding, laws are much more lax on your side of the pond
42:23 <Ampera> The only law that may be involved is whatever is required by us by NY law, and the contract requirements for our customers, as we serve public sector
42:46 <Ampera> Laws are paper, just because we have employment laws doesn't mean they get followed or enforced, and I imagine it's similar there too.
43:03 <Ampera> Companies have standards under which they operate, and depending on the job and the location, those standards will vary.
43:16 <Ampera> If you work at McDonalds you can and will be fired on the spot for what they don't like about you
43:40 <T3sl4> eu labor laws are much stricter than us
43:41 <Ampera> but for things like QA and development, there is a lot of time investment into getting new hires up to speed that they can't afford to just fire at will
44:10 <T3sl4> US labor laws are pretty good when they get invoked, but it's not just automatic, you have to call up your state labor board or whatever and report things
44:27 <Ampera> US labor laws are also not universal, each state has their own in addition to the federal
44:33 <Ampera> as well as their own levels of enforcement
45:03 <Ampera> I can't say if it's better or worse as I've not had it any other way. I imagine it's a system with it's benefits and flaws
45:08 <Ampera> *it's -> its
45:15 <TheDude> yeah, labor laws are pretty strict here
45:37 <TheDude> they do have a loop hole that they're abusing en masse, though
45:44 <TheDude> and that is employing students
46:03 <Ampera> I think it's pretty universal that interns are treated like dirt
46:24 <TheDude> you can't tell a normal employee that you'll be terminating them because you're light on work
46:25 <Ampera> I started off like an intern, and I probably made more than most intern positions
46:44 <TheDude> and then employ someone else 1 month later to fill the same position because something came up
46:50 <TheDude> you can do that with students -.-
47:11 <Ampera> Things don't work like that in my company as we don't typically take on individual contract jobs.
47:16 <TheDude> yeah, familiar with the concept of internships in the US
47:21 <Ampera> We do, but those are for particularly big customers that have the cash to back it up
47:28 <TheDude> "you won't be paid, but you'll get valuable experience"
48:01 <TheDude> anyhow, students are being exploited quite regularly
48:20 <TheDude> because they usually cost less to employ
48:24 <Ampera> Students are exploited across the board here
48:30 <TheDude> and they can be very easily terminated
48:37 <Ampera> the big fat problem with college students in the US is that they are people who have a license to print money
48:44 <Ampera> right up until they don't, at which point nobody has to care about them anymore
48:52 <TheDude> my mom's friend's daughter worked as a student in the finance department at some company
49:03 <TheDude> she studied economics
49:26 <Ampera> I am very glad I never continued with college, as it's a complete and total waste of time and money
49:32 <TheDude> they were happy (supposedly) with her and she worked there for at least 2 years
49:52 <TheDude> and she was told that she'll get an employment contract there once she graduates
50:06 <TheDude> she graduated, no contract, they hired another economics student instead -.-
50:15 <Ampera> Here a promise is worth nothing unless it's written on paper
50:27 <Ampera> The problem is we don't teach students that shit
50:38 <Ampera> We teach them how to spend big, and be irresponsible with their life choices
51:07 <TheDude> yeah, I'm familiar with your student debt system
51:09 <Ampera> Colleges, even ones funded by the state, are specifically designed to juice as much money out of students as possible, as the only limit is how much the government is willing to lend them
51:21 <Ampera> It's a market failure
51:27 <TheDude> definitely
51:50 <Ampera> but like any good market failure, it has stellar PR, and the people who get hurt by it are rarely in the position or even mind to do much about it
52:03 <T3sl4> college and medical have inflated >3x faster than everything
52:16 <Ampera> Medicine is another great example of market failure
52:52 <Ampera> it's what happens when you have an unregulated industry providing a price inflexible service that people do not have a choice to purchase
53:23 <Ampera> and when the best politicians can come up with is some shitty half baked plan that'll fuck over a few million people but maybe work in the end
53:30 <T3sl4> what better example could there be than present events, and yet some people still think that markets can't be made free by imposing regulation
53:44 <Ampera> Free market is an oxymoron.
54:06 <T3sl4> not entirely
54:10 <Ampera> It's all a simple dynamic of power, and just like a government, it cannot exist fairly and stably without carefully designed controls.
54:11 <T3sl4> consider the marketplace of ideas
54:16 <T3sl4> ideas are worthless, therefore...
54:27 <Ampera> The marketplace of ideas is not free, as people are not universally free to express their ideas in this world.
54:52 <Ampera> There are and always will be restrictions as to what people can say, either for fear of government or social punishment
55:14 <T3sl4> as well there should, and so too with economic markets
55:33 <Ampera> but just like a free market economy, the name is usually separate from the concept it actually describes
56:32 <Ampera> In both instances, governments will serve their own best interests, and very rarely is that the wellfare of a nation's people
57:11 <T3sl4> that's a popular perspective but it's missing the fact that, a government isn't some independent entity, it's representative
57:12 <TheDude> but that, precisely, is what is the problem
57:33 <T3sl4> if government is led by corporate and wealthy interests, it will serve their interests, and perhaps come off as self serving
57:42 <TheDude> the government employees should be held to much tighter standards on what is and what is not permissible
57:45 <T3sl4> or better yet, an easy scapegoat for them to blame
57:54 <Ampera> Good governments are representative, because that makes it harder for any notion not popular enough to make it to power
58:12 <T3sl4> whereas if the people are in control, it works by and for the people
58:14 <Ampera> However, just because power is distributed doesn't mean it still can't be abused.
58:27 <TheDude> people going into politics just to serve their own agenda and sources of funding is exactly what is wrong with the "democratic" world in general
58:47 <T3sl4> i'm liking more and more, the idea that we should have representation by lottery
58:51 <Ampera> Yes, so far as money in politics goes, however the point of a politician is to serve their own agenda.
59:05 <Ampera> Good politicians have personal agendas aligned with the agendas of the people they represent
59:22 <TheDude> I would make it illegal for government employees to be funded by private entities
59:26 <Ampera> However, a good politician and a politician who is good at becoming a politician are two different things.
59:29 <T3sl4> i'll admit it, by that definition we have some extremely good politicians in congress
00:01 <Ampera> I suppose, but that's only if you choose to interpret "the people they represent" as their financial sponsors as opposed to their constituent voters
00:10 <TheDude> ofc they're going to go against the best interest of the people if somebody with an opposing best interest is going to give them financial incentive to do it their way
00:31 <Ampera> I would make it illegal for government funds to be given to any political party ever.
01:10 <Ampera> I would make campaign contributions illegal, with advertising being state funded on a limited, and identical budget for initial stage candidates with enough local support.
01:10 <T3sl4> no worry, money is free speech, and the wealthy have a lot of speech to toss around
02:15 <TheDude> on an unrelated note
02:20 <Ampera> That being said, we also have to face the ultimate question of self governance. Just because a people support an idea does not make it a good idea.
02:22 <TheDude> I just had a phone call now
02:26 <Ampera> Hitler didn't get there by himself.
02:44 <TheDude> the boss that left our office just over a month ago
02:47 <TheDude> and offered me a job
03:01 <Ampera> Now more than ever is it easy for people with copious amounts of money and especially media control to influence a large swath of people into making decisions
03:03 <TheDude> now called me about them preparing me a formal offer
03:09 <Ampera> Ultimately the best government is functional, but not too functional.
03:35 <TheDude> hold on
03:39 <Ampera> TheDude, my suggestion is to past cards around and get offers. Whoever gives you the best offer wins, and don't be afraid to make that known.
03:44 <Ampera> *pass
04:10 <TheDude> hitler didn't come into power by promising the german folk that he'll exterminate the jews
04:22 <TheDude> yes, that's exactly what I'm doing
04:37 <TheDude> I told the guy at the meeting today very directly
04:52 <Ampera> Hitler came into power during a time of severe national strife of a poor, defeated, and angry people
05:00 <TheDude> "I'll choose the option that fits me best"
05:30 <Ampera> He promised quick and angry solutions that played into people's fears and angers, and presented a solution for a strengthened Germany
05:53 <Ampera> and for his first few years, that is exactly what he did.
06:16 <TheDude> "this is what they're willing to offer me now, if we can come to a similar sort of agreement, I'd be happy to stay here"
06:19 <Ampera> Any ideology will work if you ignore the suffering and destruction it will cause, and set your expectations in a specific way.
06:37 <TheDude> back to hitler
06:53 <Ampera> Hitler also had a revolutionary grasp on mass media, without which I do not believe he'd be as popular.
06:59 <TheDude> the path that he took initially wasn't actually all that bad
07:09 <TheDude> that, he did
07:19 <T3sl4> "hitler was right", in that he got them out of a depression and got the economy running; or that he sought out germany's enemies, who had encircled them, and were to be invaded in turn
07:26 <Ampera> Hitler wasn't right.
07:34 <Ampera> Hitler was successful in what he promised, until he wasn't.
07:51 <T3sl4> ...yes?
07:53 <Ampera> He reignited a passionate population, but he stoked it so hard he caused everything to burn to the ground.
08:06 <Ampera> That's not being right, that's being crazy.
08:26 <TheDude> well, he was definitely power hungry
09:02 <TheDude> but if they didn't choose to just start invading everyone, he would have been very successful
09:12 <Ampera> Hitler is as good of an example as Trump that mass media can be the greatest enemy of a population.
09:17 <Ampera> Sadly, it can also be the greatest liberator.
09:29 <T3sl4> well, that's in the fundamental nature of fascism, there must always be a present, palpable, inferior yet threatening enemy to pursue
09:33 <Ampera> Unlike any other force, it is as easy to educate as it is to uneducate.
10:01 <T3sl4> even should a fascist country conquer the world, it will instantly turn in on itself
10:40 <Ampera> It's a fire that burns on scapegoats.
10:47 <T3sl4> and piles of books
11:01 <T3sl4> but mostly the scapegoats.
11:55 <TheDude> https://i.4cdn.org/b/1634834700139.jpg
11:57 <Ampera> That is the essence of my root belief in all of politics. Without the free and open exchange of information, there can be no true freedoms.
12:00 <TheDude> •ᴗ•
12:18 <Ampera> It's not just governments that can take that free and open exchange away, we see it today with social media
12:22 <T3sl4> cozy
12:44 <TheDude> that truck looks so comfy in there
12:52 <Ampera> Sites designed specifically to anger and enrage its users, into a state where they can be given scapegoats to burn.
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35:21 <Nothing\> ATTN ATTAN
35:27 <Nothing\> SEINFELD IS NOW ON NETFLIX!
35:30 <Nothing\> :D
35:46 <Nothing\> i know, it's a hit or miss show. You either love it or you hate it.
35:55 <Nothing\> but if you love it, man do you love it.
36:53 <Nothing\> i haven't met one fan of seinfeld who wasn't a die hard fan. Frankly I can only remember a few episodes that were genuinely bad, excluding the first season where the 80's were still creeping into things.
38:06 <Nothing\> also on an unrelated note, while twisting the cap back into my water bottle i realized there's a mechanical advantage with an inclined plane/screw
38:36 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
38:40 <Ampera> how are you doing nowhere man>
38:59 <Nothing\> at least it SEEMS on the surface like the amount of torque you put into it would give you a stronger force in the linear motion of the threads in the case of a screw
39:02 <Nothing\> and heya Ampera
39:04 <Nothing\> oh dude
39:09 <Nothing\> i am doing SO much better
39:28 <Nothing\> atfre like 3-4 weeks of being in constant agony, it's FINALLY letting up
39:37 <Nothing\> i was about ready to call 911 yesterday it was so bad
39:43 <Nothing\> i could scarcely get out of bed
40:05 <Nothing\> but i checked the wait times and i was looking at a 6 hour wait just to see a doctor
40:38 <Nothing\> and frankly the idea of spending 6 hours in a tiny room with nothing to do but focus on how much agony i'm in is rather off-putting. To say the least.
41:38 <Nothing\> I tried to make an appointment with my doctor, but he won't see people IRL, except I DO have an IRL appointment for my shoulder on the 5th. But since he'll only see me about 1 thing per visit, I have to choose between my torn rotator cuff, or this.
41:47 <Ampera> did I mention to you I ordered a new laptop?
42:05 <Nothing\> and yeah we have urgent care walk-in clinics, but my doctor's office discourages you from using any but their's because it takes money from them
42:15 <Nothing\> meanwhile they've closed their walk-in clinic, so that's not even an option
42:21 <Nothing\> no, you didn't
42:27 <Nothing\> newer? older? specs?
42:47 <Ampera> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t15g-gen-2-(15-inch-intel)/20ys001sus
42:48 <Ampera> brand new
42:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access Denied
44:02 <Nothing\> oh yeah you were mentioning something about a thinkpad
44:05 <Nothing\> right on
44:11 <Nothing\> any plans for it?
44:18 <Ampera> such as?
44:25 <Nothing\> i dunno, just uses
44:31 <Nothing\> what do you plan to use it for
44:38 <Ampera> I'm likely going to replace my desktop with it
44:39 <Nothing\> it's your computer, i dunno what you can do with it
44:50 <Ampera> and then put my desktop to other uses as a second compute server
44:54 <Nothing\> no shit? are thinkpads really that good?
45:01 <Nothing\> i thought your desktop was pretty top of the line
45:16 <Nothing\> i at least know you have the same video card as me, 1660TI
45:18 <Ampera> it is, but besides a bit more memory and twice the (slower) cores, this laptop bests it in almost every way
45:29 <Nothing\> and i'd guess you're the sort who keeps 32gb of ram
45:34 <Nothing\> maybe 64
45:46 <Ampera> I have 64GB of ram
45:48 <Ampera> this laptop has 32GB
45:50 <Nothing\> and i'm pretty sure you have the same cpu as me as well
45:54 <Ampera> no I don't
45:56 <Ampera> I have a 3950X
46:00 <Nothing\> Ryzen 5 3500+
46:02 <Nothing\> oh
46:09 <Ampera> 16 core 32 threads
46:09 <Nothing\> i must be thinking of someone else
46:14 <Nothing\> oh yeah that's right
46:18 <Nothing\> we were just through this the other day
46:21 <Ampera> this laptop is 8 core 16 threads, but with higher IPC
46:39 <Ampera> has 3 M.2 slots, while my desktop only has 2
46:49 <Ampera> has dual thunderbolt 4
46:50 <Nothing\> see, whe you get to be my age mr jamen, your memory just doesn't retain like it used to
47:07 <Nothing\> and yeah, i'm gonna call you mr jammin
47:16 <Nothing\> for obvious reasons, i'm sure
47:37 <Nothing\> yes, i know your name. muahahaha
47:51 <Nothing\> but then, i PMed you my full name once. BUt you never replied so i'm not sure you got it.
48:11 <Ampera> I don't believe I ever told you my name
48:13 <Nothing\> i tried to hook up with you on facebook but didn't realize at the time you had no account. So I just put my account in a pm and said add me if you want.
48:20 <Nothing\> Ampera, you didn't
48:25 <Nothing\> but i can tell you what it is
48:26 <Ampera> good
48:36 <Ampera> that's not my name
48:39 <Nothing\> really?
48:42 <Ampera> really
48:44 <Nothing\> alias?
48:46 <Ampera> nope
48:49 <Nothing\> that's weird
48:51 <Ampera> I have never been called benjamin in my life
49:00 <Nothing\> when you bought me that game on steam that's what it said your name was
49:19 <Ampera> I also said get well soon
49:26 <Nothing\> lol i remember back on the old druggy server i went on
49:40 <Nothing\> people would come on who actually put their real name in the "real name" field of MIRC
49:51 <Nothing\> and have no VHOST so their ISP and city are visible
49:59 <Nothing\> or at least the nearest big city
50:18 <Nothing\> so i'd mess with them dropping hints that i know where they live and what their name is and stuff
50:23 <Nothing\> and convince them that i hacked them
50:25 <Nothing\> lol
50:32 <Ampera> it's funny
50:39 <Ampera> my IP has been public for years and not a single person has used it against me
50:43 <Nothing\> they'd complain to the opers and the opers would call them idiots and tell them to configure their client properly
50:56 <Nothing\> Ampera, that must mean you're well and truly liked
51:01 <Ampera> no
51:04 <Nothing\> but i've never taken any measures to hide my ip
51:05 <Ampera> it just means you can't do a whole lot with an IP
51:14 <Ampera> I have no means to retrieve your IP
51:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, but what about ip and mac?
51:24 <Ampera> mac address is completely meaningless
51:32 <Ampera> the only thing it does is identify your NIC
51:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, lemme ask you something, it was kind of a contentious issue in the last server i was on
51:53 <Nothing\> see there was one "guy" (mtf tranny) who took over as admin
51:53 <Ampera> and, to my knowledge, it's almost completely impossible to determine someone's mac over the internet
52:10 <Nothing\> and after some suspicious incidences, people began accusing them of reading our PMs
52:15 <Nothing\> and i'm just wondering if that's even possible
52:20 <Ampera> yes it is
52:26 <Nothing\> i figured it was
52:38 <Ampera> every single thing you send to every single IRC server is completely and totally loggable and viewable by anyone with access to the IRC server
52:40 <Nothing\> see there was one group who said it was possible nad they were doing it
52:55 <Ampera> same with ZNCs, though I do not abuse that power on my honor
52:58 <Nothing\> and another group saying it wasn't something they could do, because they convinced the group it wasn't
53:06 <Ampera> hogwash
53:17 <Nothing\> but you'll be glad to know, said tranny was ousted as a result of constant abuse, manipulation and tyrany
53:18 <Ampera> not only that, if you don't connect via TLS, anyone with network access between you and the IRC server can read your message
53:31 <Nothing\> TLS?
53:34 <Nothing\> what happened to SSH?
53:36 <Ampera> Transport Layer Security
53:42 <Ampera> SSH has nothing to do with TLS
53:46 <Nothing\> hrm
53:58 <Nothing\> i know you've probably got a bloody nose from facepalming
54:04 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
54:09 <Ampera> I think you mean SSL
54:10 <Nothing\> but just know of all of my CS based topics, networking was by far my weakest
54:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah that's it
54:37 <Ampera> SSL is often used as an old fashioned name for TLS, because someone decided to just change the name for some reason in a version
54:41 <Nothing\> i didn't think SSH sounded right, that's encrypted telnet
54:42 <Ampera> all versions of SSL are completely and totally insecure
54:47 <Ampera> no it's not
54:47 <Ampera> well
54:49 <Ampera> not really
54:53 <Nothing\> functionally it is
55:00 <Nothing\> i mean, it might as well be
55:01 <Ampera> it can be used as a remote terminal
55:09 <Ampera> but it's far more advanced than telnet
55:11 <Nothing\> i always used it for my shells
55:20 <Nothing\> using the best telnet/ssh client ever
55:28 <Nothing\> and i bet you can guess the name first try
55:28 <Ampera> It's similar to TLS, in that it is capable of sending encrypted packets
55:33 <Nothing\> cuz it's the one everyone uses
55:33 <Ampera> PuTTY
55:36 <Nothing\> yup
55:40 <Ampera> I hate PuTTY
55:43 <Nothing\> i never noticed the u was lower case
55:46 <Nothing\> i wonder why that is
55:57 <Nothing\> Ampera, tbh i used it like 25 years ago, but i wasn't a fan of it either
56:00 <Ampera> I never use it, and it's a pain in the ass when its proprietary key format shows up
56:05 <Nothing\> it could well be different now, and probably is
56:08 <Ampera> nope
56:11 <Nothing\> maybe not 25 years, more like 20 but still
56:19 <Nothing\> i recall it was a pretty minimalist interface
56:21 <Ampera> it's liked by windows people who don't know how to use OpenSSH
56:23 <Nothing\> with few options
56:24 <Ampera> besides that it's useless
56:37 <Nothing\> is there an openssl?
56:40 <Ampera> yes
56:42 <Nothing\> okay
56:51 <Nothing\> so i'm not making that part up
57:02 <Ampera> It's a common implementation of a variety of cryptographic schemes that forms the backbone of security for most of the world
57:06 <Nothing\> is there an openmyanus?
57:15 <Ampera> only if you buy me dinner first
57:29 <Nothing\> only if you get the 3rd cheapest thing on menu
57:44 <Nothing\> hey lemme ask you something personal Ampera
57:58 <Ampera> I'm not going to stop you from doing that I guess
58:07 <Nothing\> and feel free not to answer, it's a deeply personal question that i wouldn't ask anyone but my closest friends whom i'm most comfortable with.
58:21 <Ampera> yes I am a homosexual
58:24 <Ampera> quit bugging me about it
58:37 <Nothing\> but when you refer to standing in a line up say, for the movies or something
58:44 <Ampera> queue
58:48 <Nothing\> do you say you're "in line" or "on line"?
58:48 <Ampera> or line
58:53 <Ampera> in line
58:59 <Ampera> anyone who says on line needs to be executed
59:00 <Ampera> right now
59:02 <Nothing\> mustj ust be an NYC thing then huh
59:09 <Ampera> no
59:10 <Nothing\> yeha online always confusing me
59:14 <Ampera> if it was, we'd fucking purge that place
59:18 <Nothing\> i mean, you're not sitting on the peoples' heads
59:36 <Ampera> when arch comes back on ask him
59:43 <Ampera> if he does let me know so I can permaban him
59:46 <Nothing\> he lives in NYC?
59:55 <Nothing\> i used to know someone from NYC who said online
59:56 <Ampera> no he lives in the bronx
00:06 <Nothing\> lol i also remember talking to someone from NYC on the phone once
00:11 <Nothing\> i told him i lived near toronto
00:24 <Nothing\> so he says "is that near "Ontahrioh"
00:33 <Nothing\> like he had to put an accent on it for some reason
00:40 <Ampera> well is it?
00:48 <Nothing\> it's the capitol of ontario lol
01:00 <Ampera> that doesn't answer the question
01:06 <Ampera> DC is the capitol of the US but it's nowhere near the US
01:08 <Nothing\> no
01:20 <Nothing\> it's in sasquatch-ewan
01:54 <Nothing\> hey another question i wanted to ask, just out of curiosity.
02:25 <Nothing\> how many canadian provinces/territories can you name off of the top of your head? and can you name which ones are territories and which ones are provinces?
02:38 <Ampera> I'll try without looking it up
02:40 <Nothing\> some of the territories it's pretty obvious, there's just one that's kinda sneaky.
03:09 <Ampera> British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, Nunavut, NT, PEI, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick
03:12 <Nothing\> i'm just curious what an atypical american knows about just basic canadian geopolitics
03:25 <Nothing\> wow that's impressive
03:31 <Ampera> The territories are Nunavut and NT, I don't know about any of the little fishing village islands you got over there
03:36 <Ampera> so that might be wrong
03:36 <Nothing\> you even did them west to east
03:39 <Ampera> I did
03:53 <Nothing\> Yukon's a territory too
04:03 <Nothing\> but everyone forgets the yukon
04:12 <Nothing\> it's like alaska jr, but with nothing interesting anymore
04:17 <Nothing\> ie no gold rush
04:21 <Ampera> I also forgout newfoundland
04:36 <Nothing\> correction, newfoundland and labrador
04:37 <Ampera> I tend to know at least a little bit about geography
04:46 <Ampera> now, without looking it up, what states are part of New England
04:46 <Nothing\> labrador's the bit that's on land, newfoundland is the island
04:49 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me
05:12 <Nothing\> they recently found a viking settlement in Newfoundland that finally puts a rough date on when they came over to the new world
05:27 <Nothing\> lemme see when the dating was, but it was around 1040CE
05:38 <Nothing\> almost 500 years prior to columbus
05:43 <Nothing\> AND they didn't enslave anyone
06:00 <Nothing\> though i bet they would have if they came across anyone. I mean, they ARE vikings.
06:01 <Ampera> how do you know what they did in bed
06:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, actually a lot of families used to sleep all together in one bed
06:24 <Nothing\> can you imagine that in your family
06:47 <Nothing\> or any family really, unless you're mormons
09:07 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i was gonna download or search netflix for billy madison
09:11 <Nothing\> such a classic
09:30 <Nothing\> it's sad that adam sandler's zenith was his very first movie
09:40 <Nothing\> and yet he's more famous than ever now.
09:59 <Ampera> are you gonna answer my question
13:18 <Nothing\> oh sorry i missed it
13:27 <Nothing\> wait, do what now?
13:28 <Nothing\> bed?
13:46 <Nothing\> either i missed something, or i blacked out for a minute there and REALLY missed something.
14:19 <Ampera> I asked you to name the states that are part of New England without looking it up
14:51 <Nothing\> which i AM prone to memory backouts. I mean like 100% amnesia. When it first started happening, people would tell me I did things, like going out to a camp site to hang out. And I'd have absolutely no memory of this at all. I accused them of lying or trying to mess with me.
15:13 <Nothing\> but after about the 50th time it happened i started to accept that my memories don't coincide with the things that i do
15:32 <Nothing\> which was a hard pill to swallow. As humans we tend to think of our memory as perfect and infallable.
15:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, ah okay, lemme see if i can do this off the top of my head
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21:10 <Nothing\> New york, New jersey, New Hampshire, connecticut, Pensylvania, ohio, kentucky, Tennessee, louisiana, alabama, georgia, florida, taxacheussettes, New England (i think that's a state and not a general area), Illinois, uh hrm, texas, North and south dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, New mexico, Arizona, California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Hawaii
21:14 <Nothing\> just off the top of my head
21:32 <Nothing\> my geography of the interior states is a bit sketchy
21:46 <Nothing\> like i couldn't think what was south of illinois, i think it's kentucky isn't it
21:50 <Nothing\> or massacheussettes
21:54 <Nothing\> oh yeah, kansas
21:56 <Nothing\> forgot kansas
22:16 <Nothing\> now then
22:20 * Nothing\ counts how many i got
23:59 <Nothing\> MISSOURI!
24:10 <Nothing\> i was mixing it up with massacheussettes
24:40 <Nothing\> but yeah, that's about 32 states i think
24:41 <Ampera> I manage to keep missing him
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24:49 <Nothing\> not too shabby for just off the top of my head
25:07 <Nothing\> considering i never formally sat down and learned all of their names
25:21 <Nothing\> but i do know that i know all of the state abbreviations
25:38 <Nothing\> we have some weird abbreviations here in canada
25:54 <Nothing\> like Quebec is abbreviated as PQ for Province du Quebec
26:05 <Nothing\> and alberta for some reason is abbreviated as Alta
26:11 <Nothing\> which just makes me think atlanta
26:54 <Nothing\> actually that's funny cuz i know even know the 2 letter abbreviations for all of the provinces/territories
27:04 <Nothing\> like how do you give a 2 letter abbreviation to PEI?
27:21 <Nothing\> or sasquatch-ewan
29:24 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, i've got a relatively simple (i think) CS problem I need your input on
29:56 <Nothing\> so i was thinking, i'd like to take a list of all of the states, and compare it against mine to see both which states I got, and which ones I was missing.
29:58 <Nothing\> ideas?
30:00 <Ampera> wait what
30:08 <Ampera> hold on I missed what you said
30:11 <Ampera> I said new england
30:12 <Ampera> not the US
30:14 <Ampera> new england
30:22 <Nothing\> do what?
30:35 <Nothing\> new england's not a state, is it?
30:59 <Nothing\> i wasn't sure if it was a state, or just a region with like new hampshire and massacheussetes and rhode island (there's another i missed)
31:01 <Ampera> I think you just failed that test
31:31 <Nothing\> hey man, by school grades i'd get a D which is better than most yanks can do for canada's 13 provinces and territories
31:57 <Ampera> new england isn't a state
31:59 <Ampera> it's a historical region
32:01 <Nothing\> and i don't think there are many canadians who can name that many states
32:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's what i thought
32:13 <Nothing\> my mum threw me off, she told me it was state
32:27 <Ampera> comprised of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine
32:33 <Nothing\> maine!
32:39 <Nothing\> of course, how could i forget maine
32:51 <Ampera> maine is almost as forgotten as delaware
32:55 <Nothing\> not only do i have a maine coon, but i knew a couple in maine who i was really good friends with
33:13 <Ampera> let's see if I can name all the states on the east coast off the top of my head
33:14 <Nothing\> it's funny, they split and and his ex wound up getting involved with this navy drill sergeant
33:34 <Nothing\> she looked me up a few years later and we wound up having a bit of a fling behind his back
33:48 <Nothing\> but ultimately she chose him over me. Which I'm happy for her for
33:58 <Ampera> Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida
34:06 <Nothing\> i wish her all the best. SHe was in a bad way with opiate addiction plaguing her at the time
34:11 <Ampera> I think Pennsylvania might have coast let me check
34:19 <Nothing\> it does
34:22 <Nothing\> on lake erie
34:23 <Ampera> it does not
34:27 <Nothing\> really?
34:28 <Ampera> easy coast
34:31 <Ampera> er, east coast
34:33 <Ampera> on the atlantic
34:37 <Nothing\> oh that's ohio taht's across from ontario on lake erie
34:40 <Nothing\> not PA
34:44 <Nothing\> PA's more to the east
34:49 <Ampera> PA has coast on lake erie
34:52 <Ampera> but that's not an ocean
34:53 <Nothing\> sorta in the corner between NY and ohio
35:06 <Nothing\> yeah but lake erie has access to the ocean
35:10 <Nothing\> all of the great lakes do
35:53 <Nothing\> they're connected through a series of canals and locks and ultimately from lake superior going across the lakes, it leads to the st lawrence river, which drains into the atlantic
36:24 <Nothing\> i remember once i got to see the lock (not the kind for doors) in the welland canal in grade 8
36:53 <Nothing\> it was so cool. I'm not sure if you've ever read up on how the panama canal's locks work. It's basically like an elevator for ship
36:55 <Nothing\> s
37:22 <Nothing\> but it's so cool to see in real life this 100-200 meter ship being lifted 20-30 feet up
39:12 <Nothing\> oregon
39:15 <Nothing\> ops
39:22 <Nothing\> trying to search text, missed the F
43:27 <Nothing\> oh fuck tpb
43:44 <Nothing\> every time i click a magnet link now it tries to sell me an account for a VPN and won't take no as an answer
43:54 <Nothing\> guess i'll try a mirror
44:09 <Nothing\> i'm just trying to get a season of american dad from 12 years ago
45:04 <Nothing\> yup, mirror worekd just fine
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53:59 <steve30> today's spam is good
54:07 <steve30> "*Hello Mr (Mrs) STEVE, I'm A Student And I'm Honored To Be Selling T-Shirts For You.*"
01:12 <electrohead> o/
04:57 <steve31> anyway, i couldn't sleep, so I'll watch youtube for a bit
10:50 <Nothing\> hrm
10:58 <Nothing\> i'm thinking about getting back into nootropic drugs
11:54 <Nothing\> that is, drugs which in terms of side effects, are extremely well tolerated, non-toxic and are used to improve cognitive function, memory, information retention, and other attributes associated with intelligence
12:45 <Nothing\> mind you it's not like you take a few pills and you're an instant genius. But experimenting with it myself, I noticed a slight to mild increase in my ability to advance to playing piano two-handed, rather one handed.
13:33 <Nothing\> I found it made it a fair bit easier. But it could also be argued that in my previous attempts, I learned to play two handed better just naturally through the practice. So that would have skewed any results.
14:12 <Nothing\> the one drug i take now, noopept is actually a prescription drug in russia to treat dementia
14:46 <Nothing\> but from what i understand, it increases bloodflow between the hemispheres of the brain, via the corpus collosum. Which seemed to fit the task of learning to play piano two-handed perfectly.
15:14 <Nothing\> and it's an ampa modulator, though i'm not sure exactly what that means. Modulation is a pretty vague term.
16:22 <steve31> I've heard of nootropics, never really got what they're supposed to be used for though
17:03 <Nothing\> steve31, mostly what i've said above. Or therapeutically, they're used to treat dementia sometimes. Though NMDA antagonists seem to be the go-to drugs for dementia these days.
17:18 <Nothing\> which is interesting because drugs like ketamine and PCP are NMDA antagonists
17:31 <Nothing\> as well as dextromethorphan, ie the drug they put in cough syrup
17:46 <Nothing\> so over the counter non-codeine cough syrup really can get you high
17:49 <steve31> My grandmother takes Mementine for dementia. I did read about it once but i forget what its supposed to do
18:06 <Nothing\> but there's nothing fun about it. Unless you like being dizzy as hell and more nauseated than you've ever been in your entire life
18:13 <Nothing\> not to mention the projectile vomiting
18:21 <Nothing\> steve31, yeah mine did too
18:43 <steve31> Nothing\, on the subject of cough syrup, my pharmacist recently got a slap on the wrist from the General Pharmaceutical Council for selling too much of his home made Codeine Linctus based cough syrup.
19:29 <Nothing\> steve31, in a nutshell, there are two basic neurotransmitters in your brain, glutamate, which is stimulatory, and GABA, which is depressive. And what these drugs do is block the receptors that the glutamate would normally bind to and prevent it from binding to those receptors.
19:51 <steve31> ah
20:11 <Nothing\> I think the idea is that dementia is caused, at least partially, by excitotoxicity, or overactivity in the brain and by blocking glutamate receptors you're sort of slowing that down. But that's just pure speculation
20:19 <Nothing\> honestly i have no idea how it's supposed to work.
20:39 <jaymax> Nothing\ yeah I did that Robo thing before - it wasn't long until that thick syrup caused a gag reflex, fortunately.
20:45 <Nothing\> frankly I always thought nmda antagonists put you more at risk of dementia and alzheimers. Though they protect against parkinson's
20:51 <Nothing\> but it could be the other way around
21:05 <Nothing\> jaymax, i was addicted to the stuff for years
21:38 <Nothing\> i bought koffex brand which was behind the counter at most pharmacies, but dxm only, thin, smooth and easy on the stomach
21:52 <Nothing\> plus i found if i binged, the next day i took it i'd have absolutely no nausea what so ever
22:01 <Nothing\> so i'd end up binging for weeks or even months on end
22:31 <Nothing\> a few years ago i was drinking 16oz, about 1500mg a day from october until march, almost every day
22:33 <jaymax> With me feeling like puking after tasting it, it was a good deterrent. Actually, thinking about it right now is making me nauseous.
22:39 <Nothing\> which incidentally enough was when i became diabetic
22:51 <Nothing\> jaymax, yeah it's not for everyone
23:19 <jaymax> For an ideal prespective, I don't believe it's for *anyone*
23:21 <Nothing\> but i found once i got past that stuff, and i did find some little tips and tricks to help with the nausea, it was the almost perfect escape drug
23:38 <Nothing\> i'd put on some music and close my eyes to the most immersive in-mind music videos ever
23:59 <Nothing\> or just meditate and travel to alien worlds while communicating with the inhabitants
24:05 <Nothing\> either aliens or deities
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24:22 <Nothing\> but yeah after long enough you just lose touch with reality
24:40 <Nothing\> and it wasn't just me, i knew hundreds, if not thousands of people who did it for 10+ years
24:54 <Nothing\> and almost all of them had moderate to severe mental health problems
25:12 <Nothing\> whether the mental health problems led to the drug abuse, which exacerbated the problems, and so on
25:24 <Nothing\> or whether the dxm itself caused the problmes, i dunno.
25:46 <Nothing\> one thing i do know is once you get into it, it's just a matter of time before you lose touch with reality and slip into psychosis
26:01 <Nothing\> but that was what made it so nice for escape because it was almost like i was living in a movie
26:26 <jaymax> It messes with antipsychotics (think on the same liver enzyme as grapefruit) and when I mentioned it when I had a hacky cough he wrote up T1's and said have honey first - the *real* active ingredient in cough syrup is the syrup - which is easy to substitute. DXM, et al is just BS chemicals that don't do anything beneficial.
26:28 <Nothing\> and everything i consumed in terms of media was infinitely more immersive than when sober
26:49 <Nothing\> jaymax, actually seroquel can and has caused people to overdose on it
27:00 <Nothing\> and conceivably, other antipsychotics
27:16 <Nothing\> plus SSRIs and other antidepressants can cause serotonin syndrome, which is fatal
27:21 <Nothing\> or can be, anyways
27:30 <Nothing\> and not treatable besides supportive care
27:44 <jaymax> Yeah, becuase it selectively magnifies the drug's effectiveness.
27:55 <Nothing\> plus with me, i got really severe urinary retention from it
28:20 <Nothing\> to the point where on no fewer than half a dozen occassions, probably more, i actually went into the ER and pleaded for a catheter
28:22 <jaymax> The same liver enzyme as with grapefruit , so also avoid grapefruit on psychotropics.
28:39 <Nothing\> jaymax, aye i'm aware of the grapefruit juice effect
28:43 <Nothing\> you can rest easy though
28:50 <steve31> Nothing\, I had a weird experience yesterday. I started shivering too much, so i lied down on the foor and was shaking for about 25 minutes and had a bit of difficulty swallowing and felt a bit nauseated. No idea what caused it but it was odd.
29:05 <Nothing\> ruby red grapefruit juice has much lower levels of furanocoumarins than white grapefruit juice does
29:16 <Nothing\> so the effect is absent to negligible
29:23 <jaymax> Similarly (but IIRC different enzyme) ... nicotine. As they say, "The 'tines eat the 'pines"
30:02 <Nothing\> cuz i use the effect to boost the strength and duration of my methadone, since it's metabolized by cyp3a4, which is the enzyme grapefruit juice (or gfj as we called it) inhibits
30:25 <Nothing\> but reading through some papers i found other juices and some common drugs that do it to a degree
30:43 <Nothing\> like nexium does it mildly, which is a herat burn medication that's incredibly effective
30:51 <Nothing\> or apparently pomegranate juice does it
31:08 <Nothing\> which i drank that stuff daily for a year. Nothing about it felt healthy.
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31:22 <Nothing\> in fact on more than one occassion i actually threw up from drinking pomegranate juice
31:48 <Nothing\> just because it's so acidic and drinking it on an empty stomach when you already have stomach problemss is just asking for trouble
32:09 <jaymax> nexium (and all the 'zoles) kinda went down that severe long-term effects path too
32:47 <Nothing\> yeah i remember there was one heartburn med that was sold in the states that had really strong blocking of cyp3a4 that i always looked for here but could never find
32:54 <Nothing\> probably for obvious reasons
33:55 <jaymax> I used to have a Prevacid Rx (lansoprazole) which I ditched early in the prognoses studies, for something less powerful - at this point reflux is gone other than the odd thing that can be solved with a Tums.
34:06 <Nothing\> oooh thunder
34:11 <Nothing\> man wtf
34:25 <Nothing\> i remember back when we'd have snow on the ground this time of year
34:37 <Nothing\> now it's like 20 degrees plus and thunderstorms
35:36 <jaymax> Well, it's been 18 degrees in here most of today
36:05 <jaymax> 12 outside rn, low of 8 tonight.
36:49 <jaymax> Next week sees 2C lows and 12C highs
37:01 <Nothing\> yeah, it's starting to go below the 20s now
37:49 <jaymax> Ocean water really freezes the balls off the brass monkey.
37:54 <Nothing\> hahahaha
37:59 <Nothing\> dude where'd you hear that saying?
38:03 <Nothing\> about the brass monkey
38:21 <Nothing\> my dad used to say it all the time "it's cold enough out there to freeze the balls off a brass monkey"
38:27 <Nothing\> but i've never heard it anywhere else until just now
38:37 <jaymax> Around. Might have been a Jay and Silent Bob thing at one point.
38:49 <jaymax> .. berries off a bush
38:50 <Nothing\> ah, huh
38:57 <Nothing\> it's a good saying though. I like it.
38:59 <jaymax> ... nuts off a bridge
39:38 <Nothing\> i forget if you ever even told me or not, it's cool if you don't want to, but where abouts in ontario do you live again?
40:06 <jaymax> Halifax, Ontario. :^D
40:08 <Nothing\> i'm just curious roughly where you are in relation to me, sorta halfway between hamilton and london on the 403
40:13 <Nothing\> oh hahaha
40:16 <Nothing\> isn't my face red
40:28 <Nothing\> i knew some guys from halifax
40:39 <Nothing\> they were fire figthers, not sure if volunteer or otherwise
40:50 <Nothing\> but they had that classic accent you guys have that i love
41:00 <jaymax> Rambly?
41:07 <Nothing\> the maritime accent that's like a cross between a stereotypical canadian accent and an irish accent
41:55 <Nothing\> oh wow, it just started pissing rain out of nowhere
41:58 <Nothing\> squall line
42:20 <jaymax> My accent has a bit of appalachia hick in it, but I grew up in the Shore Boy back woods in da'Scotia anyway.
43:47 <Nothing\> mine's just a boring old northern united states accent with a bit of canadian twang, like i say "ow" sounds as "oh" so about becomes more aboat. But it's more like something halfway between the two sounds.
44:45 <Nothing\> then for anything with an "AR" sound like park, or farm, i'll pronounce more with a thicker ER sound instead. My one old friend from Georgia who was fascinated with my accent used to always tease me by saying "perks and ferms"
45:24 <Nothing\> she really didn't have a very thick accent for being from Georgia. It was definitely there. But not the thick southern drawl you'd expect.
45:26 <Ampera> ewwwww
45:31 <Ampera> the canadians are conspiring
45:32 <Nothing\> just a very mild southern drawl
45:38 <Nothing\> the sexy kind
45:53 * Ampera gets the vermont maple syrup out and a bagel formed into the shape of a cross
45:58 <Nothing\> she was a bit on the heavy side, but not in an unattractive way. If you know what i mean.
46:06 <jaymax> That's right eh? Sorry we gots to take yet Timmies away now.
46:17 <Nothing\> jaymax, got my iced cap right here
46:20 * Nothing\ sips
46:35 <Nothing\> holy lightning
46:39 <Nothing\> really close strikes
46:48 <Nothing\> like yo usee the flash and almost instantly hear the thunder
47:02 <Nothing\> you know that there's actually positively charged lightning
47:16 * steve31 just had a chocolate bar :) yum
47:31 <Nothing\> or so i vaguely remember hearing
47:40 <Nothing\> steve31, i've never liked chocolate
48:10 * steve31 likes chocolate :p
48:11 <jaymax> http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/478/478304.jpg
48:21 <Nothing\> i mean i'll tolerate it if i have the munchies and there's nothing else around. But I think it just has a disgusting texture. The flavour is something I don't mind TOO much. Like I said, I can tolerate it.
48:53 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
49:05 <Nothing\> but the texture's just this horrible creamy mess that coats every square inch of your mouth with sugar filled goo that will take ages to rinse out and leaves a horrible disgusting film on your teeth
49:46 <Nothing\> and white chocolate, the flavour just makes me want to vomit after more than 2 or 3 bites. It's just way too rich.
50:01 <Nothing\> oh shit that's right, noopept
50:23 * jaymax wants to believe all content delivery networks have their servers in Canada.
51:53 <Nothing\> jaymax, probably panama
52:10 <Nothing\> gimme the url for one and i'll whois it and check the physical location
52:26 <Nothing\> seems a lot of server hosts are located in panama
53:31 <Nothing\> so anyways, i found this great game on steam accidentally last night
53:39 <Nothing\> going through all of the games i haven't played yet
54:19 <jaymax> Nothing\ you get the reference though right?
54:45 <jaymax> CDN .... canadian / content delivery network
55:17 <Nothing\> it's called rail route. Which I assumed was another one of those micromanagement railroad company games like TTD or other games of that nature where the focus is more on managing routes, buying and upgrading trains for routes, budgeting, stuff like that
55:33 <Nothing\> jaymax, ah sorry that one went right over my head
56:14 <jaymax> Going to repeat it shortly for Ampera's eye bleach.
56:19 <jaymax> CDN .... canadian / content delivery network
56:40 <Nothing\> but anyways, this game is more of a puzzle type game where the focus is more on the logistics of how to get trains from point A to point D while possibly utilizing point B or C as necessary. If that makes sense.
56:52 <Nothing\> But for like $10, it's totally worth it in my opinion.
57:06 <Nothing\> i musta spent 5 hours binging on it last night.
57:25 <Nothing\> i also FINALLY got pacman 256
57:33 <Nothing\> i've been wanting this game for like 10 years lol
57:50 <jaymax> My game as of late has been the "Make OpenEnergyHub work and look pretty" game
57:56 <Nothing\> it was free on mobile devices but the controls were so broken it was unplayable
58:23 <Nothing\> like imagine pacman where instead of a D-Pad, you have to swipe DIAGONALLY since it's an isometric projection
58:37 <Nothing\> so half the time you swipe to turn, and it doesn't register cuz you weren't diagonal enough
59:14 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh yeah? lemme have a look at that. Just the title sounds like it has potential.
59:42 <Nothing\> wait
59:59 <Nothing\> is the name of the game actually "make openenergyhub work and look pretty"?
00:28 <jaymax> Initial purchase of around $100 euros and install by getting behind your breaker panel.
00:48 <Nothing\> okay now i'm just lost
00:49 <jaymax> https://guide.openenergymonitor.org/setup/local/
01:26 <Nothing\> this is a game?
01:31 <jaymax> Nope.
01:37 <Nothing\> lol i didn't think so
01:45 <Nothing\> i was confused because you initially said it was
02:26 <Nothing\> oh ffs
02:40 <Nothing\> just as my mom goes outside to do the garbage her tablet starts up with some random noisy ads
02:42 <Nothing\> :|
02:56 <jaymax> It was a way for me to say I don't play games - but these are novel puzzles for my mind so *maybe* it counts all along.
04:02 <Nothing\> ah
04:13 <jaymax> That reminds me, I bookmarked the Lush projects link - is backburnered until there is two feet of snow on the ground.
04:18 <Nothing\> there was a while where i didn't play games, but then i got back into them when i discovered the good indie games
04:25 <Nothing\> but i've grown away from the AAA titles
04:40 <Nothing\> one of my favorite genres is a new one called zachlikes
04:58 <jaymax> I've ground away from the AAA tiles after DOOM ][
05:39 <jaymax> Wait I lied - *technically* one of the GTA3's but behind by a few years.
05:41 <Nothing\> which are based on games by a company called zachtronics. They're puzzle games where you solve puzzles using what are sometimes some pretty novel programming environments and methodologies
06:44 <Nothing\> there's also one online where it's a PROPER hacking game, not like those abominations from the 90's and late 2000's. If you ever played any of those "hacking games" where the hacking is like what it's like in the movies
07:07 <Nothing\> where this game, the hacking is actually using assembly language for an MSP430
07:08 <jaymax> I think I know what happened to me - I became a nut for podcasts.
07:19 <Nothing\> and reverse engineering the code
07:23 <Nothing\> real hacking stuff
07:51 <jaymax> Well, off to find water. Cheers.
08:29 <Nothing\> yeah have a good one man
08:39 <Nothing\> and if you're curious, here's that last hacking game i mentioned
08:41 <Nothing\> https://microcorruption.com/about
08:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Embedded Security CTF
09:01 <Nothing\> it runs in your browser, so nothing to DL. Just gotta create an account to keep track of your progress.
09:39 <Nothing\> the documentation leaves something to be desired. But if I really wanted to, I could always look up the documentation for the MSP430
10:42 <Nothing\> anywho i'm gonna go watch american dad with my mum
10:54 <Nothing\> that's right, i watch american dad with my mum
11:16 <Nothing\> still not as uncomfortable as watching Wildthings with my parents when i was 13
11:28 <Nothing\> watching neve campbell and denise ricards dyking it out in a pool
11:39 <Nothing\> -and seeing kevin bacon's shlong flopping all over
13:10 * electrohead flops Nothing\
21:09 * Ampera hugs electrodoodle
22:36 <steve31> i think i'll go back to bed
26:59 * steve31 curls up on Ampera's keyboard
27:06 * Ampera pets steve31 to sleep
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47:30 * arch slaps Ampera and T3sl4 with slimy tentacles
48:02 <Ampera> arch, do you call people standing in a line "on line"?
48:08 <Ampera> or have ever even heard that in your life
48:24 <arch> no. usually i ask people if they are "standing in line"
48:33 <Ampera> right
48:45 <Ampera> for some reason Nothing\ says it's a NYC thing, and I've never heard that in my life
49:26 <arch> NYC is filled with crazy people, so i wouldn't be surprised
50:17 <Ampera> well I know
50:19 <Ampera> you live there
52:17 <arch> i don't think im too crazy
03:20 <Nothing\> i just thought of an interesting experiment
03:35 <Nothing\> experiment/screwing around whatever
03:50 <Nothing\> but spilling a lubricated euler's disc in a vacuum
03:55 <Nothing\> *spinning
05:46 <Nothing\> because the way i see it, an euler's disc only loses energy in 3 ways, vibrational as in sound and subsonic vibrations like sound, friction between the two discs and friction between the two discs.
06:47 <Nothing\> so if you lubricrate both discs with an idea lubricant for the materials, and somehow managed to spin the disc in a vacuum. I wonder how much longer that would cause it to spin than if you just spun it without doing anything special
06:58 <Nothing\> *ideal lubricant
07:36 <Nothing\> maybe even suspended the base disc from a system that would absorb vibrational energy and minimize losses due to harmonic vibrations
11:06 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Hmm, nope, don't recall writing that one. https://t.co/DldPi0EtXU
13:16 <Nothing\> still, I'd really like to somehow get in touch with Cody so I can suggest my experiment to characterize the melting point of sodium bicarbonate, even though under STP it degrades into sodium carbonate before it melts so there's no STP melting point recorded for it
18:45 <Nothing\> ah nevermind
18:57 <Nothing\> it'd take longer to explain the problem and the hardware setup than it would to explain the solution
20:52 <steve30> well, i'm not very sleepy tonight
22:03 <DHess_US> modern problems call for modern solutions, https://images.apina.biz/full/185082.mp4
25:02 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - WTF does this word salad mean? https://t.co/3uaZ7W7T3P https://t.co/tJoxdBaAJi
26:19 <Nothing\> bah, too tired to even play a game
26:35 <Nothing\> i start it up and within 5 minutes i've nodded off with my face plastered on the keyboard
45:59 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Wand the wanky Trademarked name of the day award goes to TI https://t.co/aH9iL7Q4SL
49:28 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - North AND South? https://t.co/UGjrABVGp0
00:55 <Nothing\> hrm
01:04 <Nothing\> i wanna play tetris 99 but it feel pointless
01:34 <Nothing\> i've barely played multiplayer, but they keep matching me with people who just gang up on me and take me out within less than 20 seconds of the damn game starting.
01:43 <Nothing\> it takes longer just to find a game to joint
03:35 <Nothing\> and you can earn tickets by completing certain things, like getting 5 triples in single player mode. Which grants you tickets that you can use to unlock extra content like themes. But the only way to earn tickets is to do these "quests" and they only let you do 4 per day. ANd the stuff all costs between 15 and 45 tickets. So you end up just playing until you've got your tickets for the day just so you can repeat i
03:36 <Nothing\> the zelda theme or whatever.
04:22 <Nothing\> and i swear the single player is harder, because I never used to have trouble getting to level 20. Whereas in this game i always die around level 12 to 15
05:26 <Nothing\> there's a weird looking version of tetris on steam i'm vaguely curious about. But I still think we should have network games of some multiplayer tetris game if i can remember the name of the one i used to playe
05:29 <Nothing\> play
24:16 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - This pisses me off in Davinci Resolve. When I forgot to set the timeline resolution at the start of the project. https://t.co/p0rlzIIPaH
26:51 <Nothing\> such a lively place
27:15 <Nothing\> hrm what game to play
27:38 <Nothing\> too tired to read or program. I'd end up nodding off
32:01 <Nothing\> ooh i could play the AVGN game
32:23 <Nothing\> that's a hard as fuck platformer, which is always great for getting the adrenaline flowing and hence keeping oneself awake
32:33 <Nothing\> i should also take another dose of noopept
32:58 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Oh wow, it let me just change it this time. Didn't do that last time, it was a one-shot deal.
33:07 <Nothing\> i'd really like to take this stuff 3x a day like you're supposed to, but between my sketchy mg scale and having no gelcaps to put it in i have no recourse in that regard
33:32 <Nothing\> i guess i could always get some monocrystaline cellulose and a pill press and make my own pills
34:01 <Nothing\> a little press is only like $5
34:40 <Nothing\> i know in the states you can buy empty gel caps for herbal supplements, but i've never seen them sold here
43:27 <Nothing\> maybe i'll play x-com interceptor
44:18 <Nothing\> an old x-com game that was like a cross between x-com style game mechanics of capturing alien technology and researching it to use against them. But executed as a flight sim much in the same light as x-wing or tie fighter
44:29 <Nothing\> very underrated imo
56:37 <Nothing\> damn, this cheap exercise bike has a really good flywheel in it once you take the tension strap off
57:01 <Nothing\> spinning it up to speed i can get the flywheel to keep going for another 2 or 3 minutes at least
57:19 <Nothing\> i wonder how i could measure the speed of it
58:04 <Nothing\> i'm thinking, put a neodidlium magnet on the wheel, then a hall effect sensor to detect the magnetic field as it passes
58:19 <Nothing\> i was thinking reed switch, but it might not be fast enough
58:36 <Nothing\> any other solutions come to mind? i was thniking maybe something with a stroboscope
59:13 <Nothing\> but i guess that only works for a steady speed. Not if the speed's constantly going up and then going down
13:04 <Nothing\> man are you guys ever dead tonight
13:11 <Nothing\> more so than usual
14:00 <Nothing\> normally my witty banter with myself is enough to strike up SOME conversation
14:33 <Nothing\> and you're all making mt feel bad for textwalling
14:58 <Nothing\> g vls,
15:00 <Nothing\> i know
15:06 <Nothing\> i'll bbiab
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41:31 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
08:13 <K> hello cutlery
08:20 <K> cutleries?
10:58 <Ysjoelfir> hello Plate
10:59 <EEVBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
11:06 <Ysjoelfir> Hello EEVBot
11:19 <T3sl4> hey knife
11:29 * Ysjoelfir is mike the knife
11:33 <K> knoife
11:43 <Ysjoelfir> oivil knoifil?
12:03 * T3sl4 shows K a spoon
14:01 <K> that is no spoon!
47:01 * Ysjoelfir slowly inserts T3sl4's spoon into K's mouth
47:18 <K> hnnngggggg
48:13 <K> https://media2.giphy.com/media/l1J9u3TZfpmeDLkD6/giphy.gif
48:14 * Ysjoelfir pushes harder
48:28 <Ysjoelfir> XD
48:54 * T3sl4 gags Ysjoelfir
49:20 <Ysjoelfir> nonono. thats what I do with my F+ girl, not you with me!
49:39 <K> F+ ?
50:20 <Ysjoelfir> friendship plus. the german version of friends with benfits
50:55 <T3sl4> oh. i wasn't sure if there was a new "super female" gender or something
51:02 <Ysjoelfir> lol
52:38 <T3sl4> hm, ohh, interesting. so, this pack of QFNs in an antistatic foam bed thing
52:48 <T3sl4> i just opened it, it prominently says "this side up" on the top
53:07 <T3sl4> so i open the top flaps, and look down at the foam pad... one device. but the qty says 10?!
53:23 <T3sl4> oh, they're all stuck to the other piece, so are no longer sided up. whelp, so much for that ;)
55:42 <K> attention check
55:45 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^ That works great
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12:35 <watcher> Hello
14:04 <K> no u.
15:15 <watcher> some interesting project at the mometn K?
15:27 <K> eating a cupcake
15:36 <watcher> nnice
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55:50 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
56:03 <Ampera> he's sleeping, but I can always try
56:08 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera
56:14 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
56:24 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelguy?
58:15 <Ysjoelfir> I am fine, you, mr. current?
58:22 <Ampera> just woke up
58:23 <Ampera> I need tae4
58:25 <Ampera> er, tea
58:40 * Ysjoelfir inserts T3sl4 into Ampera
58:50 <T3sl4> giggity
00:26 * Ampera pays off a 3.3k$ credit card bill
00:36 <T3sl4> wat
01:08 <Ampera> I did just buy a 3000 dollar laptop
02:30 <Ysjoelfir> you rich bastard
03:09 <Ampera> I'm not rich, I just don't spend most of my money
03:27 <T3sl4> you're not rich, you're just loaded with cholesterol
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04:55 * Ampera loads T3sl4 with trinitrotoluene
05:06 * T3sl4 dinitrophenolates Ampera
05:38 * Ampera attacks T3sl4 with a bottle of glycerin, and then pours LN2 on top
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05:57 * T3sl4 cracks up at Ampera's antics
05:57 <Ampera> that's not how you make nitroglycerin, but it's still a smashing sweet spectacle
06:20 <Ampera> in other news I need tea
06:24 <Ampera> will someone please get up and make me some
07:53 <T3sl4> please get up, please get up
08:11 <T3sl4> yes i'm the tea shady
08:51 <Ampera> you're more like a slim jim
09:05 <T3sl4> tim tam
09:21 * Ampera plinks M&Ms at T3sl4 
09:36 * T3sl4 chokes on one, regrets nothing
09:45 <Ampera> yeah I regret Nothing\ too
10:16 <Ampera> my new 10GbE NIC is coming in today, so I get to do some server hardware maintenance
10:53 <Ampera> get to take my storage server off the top of my compute server, put 2 new CPUs in the storage server, and the new NIC in the compute server
12:10 <Ampera> I find it kinda sad that on my thinkpad the difference between the i7 and i9, besides a great big price gap, is 300Mhz and vPro
12:16 <Ampera> you don't actually get a faster CPU
14:12 <watcher> where is vpro for?
14:18 <Ampera> where?
14:22 <Ampera> what
14:32 <watcher> on the i9 cpu
14:38 <T3sl4> sucks to be at the end of moores law
14:44 <Ampera> vPro is some fancy wanky out of band management technologies combined with some juicy Intel proprietary nonsense that companies pay out the dick for
18:04 <T3sl4> so the IME thing except more secure this time around?
18:10 <T3sl4> and by "secure" i mean, hasn't been broken yet
18:12 <T3sl4> or it has and nvm
18:21 <Ampera> no clue
18:36 <Ampera> all I know is the basic wikipedia writeup, so go read that
18:37 <Ampera> :P
18:49 <Ampera> vPro is a marketing term
18:55 <T3sl4> ofc
19:04 <Ampera> it means a whole bunch of things, and in intel fashion, the stuff it means in one context is not what it means in another
19:17 <Ampera> to the point where genuine and actual debates need to be held to determine what it is and is not
21:13 <rust_collector> offers an exciting set of hardware-based features!!! WOOHOO!
21:37 <watcher> hi rust_collector
21:53 <rust_collector> HELLO!
22:03 <rust_collector> oh. banned... again
22:05 <T3sl4> AUGH
22:12 * Ampera moans
23:16 <rust_collector> With today’s demanding workloads, PC performance is a must-have. Employees lose up to a workday each year just waiting for their three-plus-year-old computer to boot up5 and are up to 12 percent less productive on PCs that are three or more years old. This leads to a potential estimated cost of USD 7,794 per year, per user.
23:21 <rust_collector> yeah, so.. uhm
24:29 <watcher> source
24:43 <rust_collector> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/vpro/what-is-vpro.html
24:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - What Is the Intel vPro® Platform?
27:49 <Ampera> oh right, vPro is also kinda like centrino or whatever the fuck it was called
28:08 <Ampera> where the name was supposed to mean something by promising certain features of hardware, but ended up just meaning less because those promises were useless
28:46 <Ampera> "Users can experience 41% faster office productivity during a video conference call."
29:10 <Ampera> they actually have a qualification that says that was measured against an 11th gen and 8th gen laptop i7, both with vPro
29:12 <rust_collector> so, they block video calls?
29:13 <Ampera> what
29:17 <Ampera> haha
29:21 <Ampera> that'd be how to do it
30:05 <rust_collector> sounds about right
31:00 <rust_collector> I would think you would gain 70% or so from that. But I am not great at multitasking, especially when one task is actively ignoring one thing
32:52 * steve30 ponders doing curry later
33:17 <Ampera> mmm curry
33:22 <Ampera> I think today's food will be noodles
33:34 * Ampera noodles T3sl4 
33:49 * T3sl4 sausages Ampera
33:59 <Ampera> mmm
34:03 <T3sl4> still finishing off my bean rice and sausage stewy thing, it's quite nice
34:06 <Ampera> you've been a brat wurst
34:26 <Ampera> tomorrow is an unknown in terms of food
34:41 <Ampera> tomorrow will probably be an interesting challenege
35:00 <Ampera> the idea is combine the webroots of just under 30 mediawiki sites into as much shared stuff as possible
35:14 <Ampera> all mediawiki files, extensions, and most of the configs are going to be shared
37:48 * Ampera gets dressed, declares it the official start of flannel season
37:57 * T3sl4 pumpkin spices Ampera
38:08 <Ampera> if you don't look like a butch lesbian even when you're a man, you're not doing it right
38:45 <T3sl4> correct
40:45 <Ampera> https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/surgeons-successfully-test-pig-kidney-transplant-in-human/
40:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Surgeons successfully test pig kidney transplant in human
40:51 <Ampera> this is neat
42:11 <T3sl4> is that one of those hybrid pigs?
42:26 <T3sl4> ah, yep
42:34 <T3sl4> or transgenic at least
45:25 <Ampera> hybrid pigs: half cop, half human
46:06 <T3sl4> acab
46:11 <T3sl4> (all cops are barnanimals)
56:00 * Ampera has irish breakfast tea
56:03 * Ampera offers T3sl4 some
56:42 <T3sl4> :)
57:53 <K> taking tea from irish
58:08 <K> u sure you are not of english descent, Ampera ?
58:15 <rust_collector> party party
58:17 <Ampera> nope, I'm German
59:08 <T3sl4> i am, and i approve this consumption
59:23 <Ampera> irish or english
06:18 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/3ZEgwf1.jpg
06:26 <T3sl4> Ampera: like 1/4 irish or something, i forget exactly
06:36 <Ampera> well your people have good tea
06:51 <T3sl4> quite
13:44 <Ampera> around the time when we all got sent home for COVID, my boss set up a daily standup in MS teams, basically a form you could submit every day saying what you were working on
13:51 <Ampera> was quite useful, and my boss then asked me to use it
14:00 <Ampera> fast forward to this day, I am the only person who uses it
14:21 <Ampera> I have a couple weeks of backlog where I literally am the only person responding out of a team of around 10
14:35 <T3sl4> unclear, if it "was quite useful" why did he have to ask you?
15:03 <K> meanwhile youtube is trying hard to make me laugh as a maniac - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UIAamwy9I
15:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ÄNÄLYZÏNG TRÜMPS C0MM'S! 50K DËPÜTÏZED UNDER TRÜMP FOR MÄSS ÄRRËSTS
15:17 <Ampera> I discovered its usefulness because I was asked to start using it
15:17 <T3sl4> that's the ms teams chat room thingy right
15:33 <T3sl4> K: you're probably better off not clicking titles like that
15:37 <Ampera> teams is basically discord for business
16:03 <K> yeah i have no idea why this appeared in my recomendeds
16:03 <Ampera> complete with a shitty electron client that will eat 1GB of ram idle
16:13 <T3sl4> so, the whole team is in the chat right? but you're the only one that talks?
16:57 <Ampera> no, this isn't a chat, it's something called agilepolly
17:11 <Ampera> it allows you to create daily forms that people in a chatroom can fill out
17:22 <Ampera> so my boss created one which was just a daily sort of standup meeting
17:54 <K> you do not have dailies?
18:02 <Ampera> not usually
18:09 <Ampera> because daily meetings are dumb
18:15 <T3sl4> agileponneh
19:04 <K> dunno, works fine for me
19:17 <K> not like full 1h meeting
19:31 <K> 10mins max for the team of 5
19:51 <Ampera> every daily meeting was a case of people discussing matters interesting almost nobody
20:02 <Ampera> we tend to have daily standups during our regression periods
20:16 <Ampera> and they're literally just "yeah I tested this section, and the environment is broken"
20:25 <K> we all kinda work on same stuff, so it is good to tell which direction you are going
20:37 <K> for less merge and testing pains
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