// #eevblog — 2021-10-23
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00:00:57 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog 1431 - Keysight EDU33212A Function Generator Teardown https://t.co/alJ1XWkMUK
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03:56:19 <Dmitry_Farad> hi all
03:56:29 <rust_collector> hi just you
04:08:17 <steve30> hi
04:12:13 <watcher> hi
04:14:09 <Kuschelpony> Hello
04:18:26 <TheDude> hey
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04:34:14 * Ampera hugs TheDude and the Nothing\
04:34:33 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
04:34:36 <Nothing\> hey man...
04:34:40 <Nothing\> how are you?
04:34:54 <Nothing\> and you as well, TheDude since you seem to have just joined
04:34:57 <Ampera> alive
04:35:01 <Nothing\> me too
04:35:05 <Nothing\> though i wish i weren't
04:35:07 <Ampera> sorry to hear that
04:35:11 <Nothing\> woke up in pain again
04:35:14 <Ampera> that you're alive, not that you wish you weren't
04:35:17 <Ampera> life is gay
04:35:17 <Nothing\> got a whole 1 day of relief
04:35:22 <Nothing\> then back to cramps
04:35:31 <Nothing\> it's not even that i'm blocked up anymore
04:35:57 <Nothing\> like i clear myself out ileum (the most distal end of your small intestine. Distal meaning furthest away from the beginning)
04:36:04 <Nothing\> from ileum to anus
04:36:10 <Nothing\> as i told my doctor
04:36:18 <Nothing\> yet i'm still cramping like i'm blocked up
04:36:53 <Nothing\> even though i know because of certain... biomarkers in my stool, I was able to pinpoint what date and time I had the meal corresponding to the bowel movement
04:37:02 <Nothing\> things like spiciness or corn.
04:37:25 <Nothing\> so like if i have a spicy meal monday, have a few poops since then which weren't spicy at all
04:37:28 <Nothing\> then i have a spicy poop
04:37:36 <Nothing\> i know THAT poop is from the monday
04:37:40 <Nothing\> roughly
04:37:56 <Nothing\> i'm sure cap can probably permeate its way through your stool, being its a liquid
04:38:10 <Nothing\> but it's not the only biomarker i've relied on
04:38:21 <TheDude> hey
04:38:23 <TheDude> doing well
04:38:27 <Nothing\> that's good to hear
04:38:32 <Nothing\> i'm genuinely happy for you
04:38:49 <Nothing\> presuming you actually are doing well and not just giving the standard default reply when somebody asks how you are
04:39:00 <TheDude> I got a call from a company that I visited on the job fair
04:39:06 <Nothing\> awesome
04:39:15 <Nothing\> man, i couldn't even fucking work now if i wanted
04:39:23 <Nothing\> even 4 hours a week
04:39:25 <TheDude> we set up an online interview on monday :D
04:39:27 <Nothing\> fucking pathetic
04:39:34 <Nothing\> but i'm so happy for you, man
04:39:38 <Nothing\> many congrats
04:39:44 <Nothing\> and best of luck on the interview
04:39:51 <TheDude> ty ty :)
04:39:55 <Nothing\> i'd wish you luck, but i already know you'll kill it
04:40:01 <steve30> o/
04:40:09 <Nothing\> heya steve-o
04:40:13 <Nothing\> how's it going?
04:40:17 <TheDude> I'm not stressed at all, because I'm in an awesome position right now
04:40:18 <steve30> we're ordering chinese tonight
04:40:28 <TheDude> lots of demand for engineers atm
04:40:29 <Nothing\> steve30, you mean american posing as chinese
04:40:30 <Nothing\> :P
04:40:37 <Nothing\> TheDude, you don't say
04:40:39 <TheDude> so many options to pick from
04:40:49 <Nothing\> i bed embedded systems have really taken off in terms of demand for jobs
04:40:49 <TheDude> bomb one interview and someone else will approach you :P
04:41:08 <Nothing\> what with all of the SBCs and new gen MCUs and such
04:41:12 <TheDude> I'd say engineering in general right now
04:41:19 <Nothing\> i dunno if an SBC would be considered embedded
04:41:25 <steve30> They do actually have chinese people working at this chinese takeaway, but yes, its standard english/american/european "chinese" food.
04:41:28 <Nothing\> or a SOC
04:41:37 <TheDude> but they really are searching for lots of embedded engineers rn
04:41:38 <Nothing\> then again, i guess an MCU basically is a SOC these days
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04:42:09 <TheDude> Nothing\, it absolutely would be considered embedded
04:42:22 <Nothing\> steve30, there was one place i used to go that had deep fried crab and cheese wontons
04:42:25 <Nothing\> they were so good
04:42:35 <Nothing\> i dunno what kinda cheese it was, but it has a very sweet flavour
04:42:42 <Nothing\> TheDude, interesting
04:42:53 <Nothing\> now that begs the question
04:43:12 <Nothing\> what's the difference between a SOC and an MCU
04:43:36 <Nothing\> and are all MCUs SOCs and vice versa
04:43:46 <TheDude> I don't think there is a very distinct difference, as far as I'm aware
04:43:51 <Nothing\> speaking strictly in terms of modern technology
04:44:02 <Nothing\> i know there's a huge difference looking back to the 80's
04:44:07 <TheDude> SOC usually has some very application specific circuity on it
04:44:20 <TheDude> but it might also not
04:44:21 <TheDude> :D
04:44:26 <Nothing\> i remember how surprised i was to find out the working RAM in a standard 8051 type chip is only 256 bytes
04:44:35 <Nothing\> i mean you get more for the code memory
04:44:43 <TheDude> XRAM is your friend :P
04:44:48 <Nothing\> lol yeah
04:44:57 <Nothing\> i noticed a lot of them support it these days
04:45:08 <Nothing\> there are some that don't even have internal flash memory
04:45:14 <TheDude> EFM8 chips are quite nice in that regard
04:45:18 <Nothing\> they just work purely on XRAM or XROM, whatevern
04:45:22 <TheDude> 8051 based, but rather modern
04:45:30 <TheDude> still very restrictive, but they're alright
04:45:30 <Nothing\> hrm
04:45:39 <TheDude> also they're cheap, so there's that
04:45:44 <Nothing\> see i've always wanted to get an 8051/52 equivalent and play around with it
04:45:51 <steve30> We used to have a really good indian takeaway round here. It changed hands around 2010 though which sucks. I miss it.
04:46:26 <Nothing\> but being i'm a newb, with anything that wasn't an arduino, just figuring out how to interface it with my computer and upload code to it is a task in itself
04:46:48 <Nothing\> it took me like a month to to upload the example code to this 6502 SBC i got
04:47:14 <Nothing\> techinaclly it's a 65c816, but for all intents and purposes it's a 6502 since i'm running it in emulation mode
04:47:52 <Nothing\> i just got the 65816 over the 6502 because i figure that way i have the option of coding 65816 if/when i'm ready for it. But I can still focus on 6502 in the mean time
04:48:14 <Nothing\> then for some reason the site had these FPGA boards that were like, clones of 6502s
04:48:28 <Nothing\> which i don't see the point of that if you sell real 6502 boards
04:48:50 <Nothing\> why would you want an fpga derived one over the real deal
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04:53:05 <TheDude> nothing wrong with reviving ancient tech on a modern platform
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05:02:08 <T3sl4> aww theres a jumping spider climbing up the side of my monitor
05:04:59 <TheDude> that's a nope for me, dude
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05:06:54 <TheDude> reeeeeeee
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05:55:23 <Nothing\> here, check it out guys
05:55:30 <Nothing\> something few non-canadians will ever see
05:55:33 <Nothing\> https://ibb.co/DQZGr5Z
05:55:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - 20211022-145143 — ImgBB
05:55:52 <Nothing\> the one on the right's my iced cappuccino and on the left is my mum's iced coffee
05:55:56 <Nothing\> both larges
05:56:32 <rust_collector> you are such a pervert
05:56:48 <Nothing\> but i was thinking, and i'm sure a lot of yanks and euros know what a standard paper tim horton's cup looks like. But you guys probably have never seen one of the plastic cups for their special drinks
05:56:53 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector
05:56:56 <rust_collector> why do you show us that kind of pics?
05:56:56 <Nothing\> tim hortons porn
05:57:11 <rust_collector> eeew
05:57:12 <Nothing\> actually that's just weird because tim horton was a real person
05:57:30 <Nothing\> and i bet being that it's a canadian franchise you can guess what he did for a living
05:58:18 <Nothing\> hockey. he played hockey.
05:58:40 <Nothing\> ah shite i forgot to take my noopept this morning
05:58:53 <Nothing\> so many meds to take when i wake up. I inevitably forget one of them
06:01:44 <rust_collector> put them all on a bowl, and just grab a handful when you wake up
06:04:08 <Nothing\> lol i pretty much do take handfulls of pills
06:04:10 <Nothing\> literally
06:04:54 <Nothing\> on weekends I'll take anywhere between 10 and 20 clonazepam tablets, plus 15-20 gel caps of nabilone
06:05:14 <Nothing\> on top of 100ml of 0.8mg/ml methadone solution
06:05:47 <Nothing\> but that one's generally easy to take. You know that actually use literal tang for methadone?
06:05:55 <Nothing\> every pharmacy i've ever been to mixed it with tang
06:06:02 <rust_collector> ok, where is the ÆpipeÆ sign on a us keyboard_
06:06:12 <Nothing\> or they had a couple of bottles of like fruit punch or grape juice if you weren't a fan of tang
06:06:35 <Nothing\> rust_collector, doesn't appear in it. I believe you'd have to use an alt code
06:06:42 <Nothing\> or unicode
06:07:10 <Nothing\> i never got how to type unicode characters. Like you see it shown as something like U+114
06:07:47 <rust_collector> all the unix and loonix nerds can not keep doing that all the time?
06:08:05 <Nothing\> yeah, real world example, for a smiley in browser it gives the unicode as U+1F600
06:08:10 <Nothing\> so how are you supposed to type that?
06:08:56 <Nothing\> or is it more like you bring up a list of unicode characters in windows, searhc for the code for the character your looking for, then copy and past it
06:09:48 * Nothing\ waits for rust_collector to answer his question
06:10:10 <rust_collector> nah, I never answer my questions
06:10:17 <Nothing\> fair enough
06:10:32 <rust_collector> I write them down on a piece of slate, and put them in the garden
06:10:32 <steve30> chinese was nice
06:10:36 <Nothing\> man, i wanna play final fantasy iv but i'm starting to slow down in how long my play sessions are
06:11:08 <Nothing\> maybe because i've had to do 3 underground dungeons in a row and those aren't exactly my faouviret dungeons
06:12:25 <rust_collector> not damp and dark enough for you?
06:14:17 <Nothing\> not quite
06:14:27 <rust_collector> ok
06:14:58 <Nothing\> lol it's fun to make random, sudden loud noises a la tourettes to startle my mum
06:15:09 <Nothing\> i don't have tourettes. But you wouldn't know it.
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06:27:34 * Ampera hugs TheDude
06:34:32 <Nothing\> dammit where's my caffeine
06:34:43 * Ampera hugs Nothing\'s caffeine
06:34:45 <rust_collector> in the bowl, next to bed
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07:03:33 <steve30> eevbot time
07:03:34 <EEVBot> It is currently 2021/10/23 07:03:33 at the EEVBlog lab.
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07:57:54 <Nothing\> I honestly can't tell if this is serious or not
07:57:56 <Nothing\> https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/qclsgo/any_ideas_what_the_liquid_is_and_what_chemical/
07:57:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit - Dive into anything
07:58:08 <Nothing\> the actual video i mean, not the post.
07:58:59 <Nothing\> although i woulda thought the chemicals were sulphuric acid reacting with copper to make copper sulphate, though i couldn't account for the silvery chemical. But I guess it's actual silver and some sort of transition metal chemistry that's beyond me because transition metals suck on paper.
08:00:09 <Nothing\> the blue chemical looks exactly like copper sulphate. But i think it's silver chloride or something related. I've seen it all the time in cody's silver extraction videos. But I never paid enough attention to remember what he said was going on
08:00:25 <DHess_US> hehe, my first thought was silver nitrate.
08:00:42 <T3sl4> it's just electrolytic displacement
08:00:43 <Nothing\> that appears to be the consensus in the comments
08:00:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah admittedly i somehow know more about o-chem than vanilla chem
08:01:18 <DHess_US> I can't say I've done that exact reaction, but the starting clear and the result are consistent with consentrated silver nitrate.
08:01:29 <Nothing\> i guess cuz i always found o-chem more fascinating, and being an autodidact, i just skip the boring subjects and move right to the fun stuff.
08:01:36 <Nothing\> which i know is the worst way to learn.
08:01:48 <Nothing\> so guys
08:01:51 <Nothing\> now the original question
08:01:58 <Nothing\> is this video serious?
08:02:09 <Nothing\> or do you think it's lampooning idiots
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08:04:15 <Nothing\> Dmitry_Farad, it's obvious where the name farad came from
08:04:25 <Nothing\> but what's the origin for the dmitry part of your name?
08:04:39 <Nothing\> there are a few scientists that wer enamed dmitry, i believe
08:04:56 <Nothing\> though none come to mind immediately. I just keep thinking of medvedev
08:05:12 <T3sl4> mendelev?
08:05:16 <Nothing\> that's it
08:05:23 <Nothing\> it was on the tip of my tongue
08:05:25 <T3sl4> the alchemy part of the video is for show, the reaction is as stated
08:05:28 <Nothing\> and the other one who did genetics
08:05:33 <Nothing\> with the pea plants
08:05:37 <Nothing\> wasn't his name dmitry
08:05:51 <T3sl4> mendel
08:05:54 <Nothing\> or is it just another survame starting with M
08:05:57 <Nothing\> that's right
08:05:58 <T3sl4> gregor?
08:05:59 <Nothing\> gregor
08:06:02 <Nothing\> yep
08:06:04 <T3sl4> yeah
08:06:12 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to do experiments like that
08:06:28 <rust_collector> you have the wrong name, Nothing\
08:06:30 <Nothing\> but there's not enough sunlight in my house and anything i plant outside save for my morning glories gets eaten
08:06:36 <Nothing\> rust_collector, oh?
08:06:42 <Nothing\> have i become something more?
08:06:57 <rust_collector> yeah, if you want to do stuff like that, you must be something
08:07:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, although i did cross polinate all of the different colors of morning glories i got
08:07:08 <Nothing\> eager to see the results next year
08:07:25 <Nothing\> it's weird though, i couldn't find any female sex organs
08:07:33 <Nothing\> pistils, i believe their called
08:07:38 <Nothing\> just the anthers with pollin
08:07:57 <Nothing\> but i'd just basically screw the flower with a q-tip then go screw another flower with it
08:08:16 <Nothing\> and just go from flower to flower screwing them with q-tips caked with pollen
08:08:32 <Nothing\> yes that's right, i know how to spell pollen after all
08:09:03 <Nothing\> it was pretty cool cuz i looked at the pollen under my 40-100x pocket microscope
08:09:15 <Nothing\> and it was enough that i could make out the spikes on it and stuff
08:09:37 <Nothing\> you ever see an electron microscope micrograph of pollen? it looks so cool
08:09:48 <Nothing\> almost as cool as diatoms
08:10:07 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me, i found a TON of fossils the other day in the most unlikely spot
08:10:51 <Nothing\> in the entrance ways to parks here, they put these limestone blocks. I guess so cars can't plow through the park and run down kids.
08:11:41 <Nothing\> but looking at them, since limestone is composed pretty much of sediment made up of crushed up shells i took a closer look and sure enough there were fossils galore
08:11:51 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what exactly, but i identified the one as horn coral
08:12:03 <Nothing\> some bivalves, aka clams
08:12:11 <Nothing\> a bunch of broken bits of shell
08:12:15 <Nothing\> some ammonites
08:12:36 <Nothing\> i'm just thinking, every day hundreds of kids walk past this perfectly valuable science lesson
08:12:42 <Nothing\> and it's just going to waste
08:12:43 <T3sl4> would imagine it's from whatever local (devonian? newer?) deposit
08:13:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah i'm right near the niagara escarptment in Hamilton, which is composed of limestone
08:13:38 <Nothing\> it's basically a 200 meter sheer cliff with exposed limestone all through the face
08:13:54 <T3sl4> i know, i'm sitting above the western edge of the same basin
08:14:28 <T3sl4> wisconsin's peninsula is where it sticks out, the silurian dolomite was particularly resistant the against glaciers
08:14:28 <Nothing\> so i'm guessing they mined the blocks from somewhere on there. Only problem is the escarptment stretches from niagara falls, up through hamilton, to toronto, north to owen sound and tobermory then across lake huron to michigan
08:14:32 <Nothing\> so the thing's huge
08:14:39 <Nothing\> it's actually what the niagara falls go over
08:14:58 <Nothing\> and why lake erie needs to have a system of locks in the welland canal to raise and lower the ships
08:16:04 <Nothing\> i always used to love driving along the escarptment in hamilton on my way to the downtown core
08:16:34 <T3sl4> it's a concave basin from the ancient sea this area used to be, dished down around michigan, ohio etc, which in turn have newer series on top of them
08:17:02 <Nothing\> even though toronto's a good 40 miles away, you can still see the CN tower from the escarptment in hamilton on a clear day
08:17:22 <T3sl4> makes sense
08:17:35 <Nothing\> apparently it was all formed during the last ice age
08:18:09 <Nothing\> i'm not sure about the escarptment, but i know with the great lakes, they formed because the weight of the ice caused the land to sink underneath them, then when they melted it all filled up with water
08:18:40 <Nothing\> and i think the finger lakes in new york were just literally gouged out of the ground by retreating glaciers, but that's just speculation
08:19:16 <Nothing\> it's amazing to think how drastically this area's changed in just 10-15 thousand "short" years by geological standards
08:19:44 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i'm not sure if you were here when i mentioned it T3sl4
08:19:55 <Nothing\> but they recently found a viking settlement in newfoundland
08:20:09 <Nothing\> so for the first time they have a rough estimate of when they landed in the new world
08:20:21 <T3sl4> saw that article
08:20:25 <Nothing\> don't quote me, i could be off by a few decades, but i believe it dated back to 1041ce
08:20:29 <Nothing\> ah right on
08:20:47 <Nothing\> i was all "YEAH! TAKE THAT COLUMBUS! YOU SICK FUCK!"
08:21:30 <Nothing\> people like him are what's wrong with this world
08:21:33 <Nothing\> among many other things
08:22:10 <Nothing\> huh
08:22:41 <Nothing\> i just noticed they renamed the main highway between here and hamilton, the 403, to "The Alexander Graham Bell PKWY"
08:22:50 <Nothing\> since he did his work here
08:23:27 <Nothing\> they also renamed the golf course here after walter gretzky cuz he lived here and was a big member of the community until his death earlier this year
08:23:35 <Nothing\> really bummed a lot of people out
08:24:06 <Nothing\> and his wife, phyllis just died a few years ago. SHe was almost just as beloved.
08:24:25 <Nothing\> the whole gretzky family was a big fixture in the community, aside from Wayne, of course
08:24:41 <Ampera> how are you dudeguy?
08:24:41 <TheDude> hey
08:24:41 <TheDude> doing okay
08:24:41 <TheDude> how are you?
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08:24:41 <Ampera> Good, TheDude, I ordered a new laptop
08:24:41 <TheDude> the thinkpad that you linked yesterday?
08:24:41 <Ampera> yes
08:24:41 <TheDude> nice :)
08:24:41 <Ampera> T15g G2
08:24:41 <TheDude> ha, went to buy some shoes earlier
08:24:41 <TheDude> found some that I liked, took them to the cash register
08:24:41 <TheDude> "are you signed up for our news?"
08:24:41 <TheDude> "nah, thanks, not interested"
08:24:41 <TheDude> "are you sure? if you sign up, it knocks 10€ off the purchase price"
08:24:41 <TheDude> "you just scan a QR code and fill in your information"
08:24:41 <TheDude> "nah, I'm good, I'd rather pay the full price"
08:24:41 <TheDude> she gave me a bewildered look for a second and then hesitantly started inspecting the box of shoes :D
08:24:41 <TheDude> lol
08:24:41 <electrohead> lol
08:24:41 <electrohead> o/
08:24:41 <TheDude> \o
08:24:45 <Nothing\> though every so often he'd set up a charity hockey game. I know Kevin Smith came up for it more than once
08:41:34 <Nothing\> huh
08:41:44 <Nothing\> alec baldwin killed a cinematographer
08:41:48 <Nothing\> shot him to death
08:41:52 <rust_collector> her
08:41:59 <Nothing\> ah my bad
08:42:00 <rust_collector> and some other guy
08:42:06 <Nothing\> reminds me of what's his face
08:42:08 <rust_collector> that did not die
08:42:10 <Nothing\> bruce lee's brother
08:42:15 <Nothing\> brandon lee
08:42:18 <Ampera> it's one thing that alec shot that woman, but what's unforgivable is you misgendering her
08:42:20 <Nothing\> didn't he die in a similar manner?
08:42:29 <Ampera> I'm permanently banning you from the server until you learn your lesson
08:42:42 <Nothing\> they were firing blanks and something was in the barrel of the gun and got launched into Mr Lee, causing his fatal injury
08:42:49 <Nothing\> at least that's what i always heard
08:43:31 <Nothing\> and i've heard countless anecdotes of similar things happening. But they're anecdotes, so...
08:48:12 * Ampera stabs Halcyon with a dickcicle
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09:08:14 <steve30> ooh, a dave stream
09:57:24 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
09:57:31 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
09:57:32 <Ampera> <3
09:57:36 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon?
09:57:38 <Halcyon> Crap
09:57:40 <Halcyon> How are you
09:57:40 <Halcyon> ?
09:57:49 <Ampera> alright, I ordered a thinkpad
09:57:56 <Halcyon> Yay toys
09:58:10 <Halcyon> I'm thinking about buying a Netapp disk shelf
09:58:12 <steve30> speaking of toys, here's something for Halcyon
09:58:12 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/n1zyy/10797712053/in/dateposted/
09:58:14 <Ampera> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t15g-gen-2-(15-inch-intel)/20ys001sus
09:58:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access Denied
09:58:17 <Ampera> This is what i got
09:58:43 <Halcyon> Oh neat, the T15's are a nice machine
09:58:49 <Halcyon> What made you decide on a Thinkpad?
09:59:00 <Ampera> every other option sucked more
09:59:04 <Halcyon> Yup
09:59:12 <Halcyon> This is the issue I had when I went looking for a new machine
09:59:32 <Halcyon> Dell left a bad taste in my mouth after all the dramas we've had at work with them
09:59:35 <Ampera> If the new macbook pros had been about 500 dollars cheaper, I'd have gone for one of them
09:59:54 <Ampera> the only annoying thing is this thinkpad has a 4 month lead time
10:00:00 <Ampera> so I'll probably get it early next year
10:00:02 <Halcyon> Ouch
10:00:24 <Ampera> However, there wasn't much I could do even if I wanted to spend more.
10:00:27 <Halcyon> But yeh, someone crashed into the back of my car the other day
10:00:32 <Halcyon> Majorly pissed off
10:00:33 <Ampera> cool
10:00:48 <Ampera> do you have it so that if someone rear ends you, they are unconditionally at fault?
10:01:35 <Halcyon> Not unconditionally, but in a rear ender (particularly as I was stationary) it's extremely difficult to find anyone but the other guy at fault. I can't really think of a scenario other than the front car reversing without looking where they would be at fault
10:01:58 <Ampera> I'm sure there's an exception, but I've been told that you hitting the guy in front of you is an automatic at fault
10:02:12 <Ampera> even if they roll back into you
10:02:22 <Halcyon> Even if the front guy braked reeeeeeeeally hard and caused the car behind to hit them, the one behind would still be at fault because they didn't leave a "safe distance" from the car in front
10:02:42 <Ampera> same here
10:02:46 <Halcyon> I reckon in 99% of cases, that's true Ampera
10:02:54 <Halcyon> There are very few times where the front car would be at fault
10:03:22 <Halcyon> But yeh, he did a good job of it, was probably on his phone, didn't even attempt to brake
10:03:36 <Ampera> sue his dick off
10:03:39 <Halcyon> They'll assess it tomorrow to see if it's repairable or written off
10:03:47 <Halcyon> Oh I don't need to. That's why I have insurance.
10:04:04 <Halcyon> It will be an expensive lesson for him as he wasn't insured, so my insurance company will come after him for costs.
10:04:04 <Ampera> isn't his insurance supposed to cover you?
10:04:08 <Halcyon> Nope
10:04:09 <Ampera> woah
10:04:13 <Halcyon> Not if he doesn't have any :P
10:04:16 <Ampera> you should absolutely be able to sue his ass off
10:04:26 <Ampera> I think that might even be a criminal offense here too
10:04:30 <Halcyon> I don't need to. I'm not out of pocket at all.
10:05:07 <Halcyon> The only mandatory insurance you have to have here is third party injury. That's rolled into the cost of registration. Damage to your own or other's property is seperate (and optional)
10:05:10 <Ampera> time and hassle isn't free, though I suppose that doesn't get better with a lawsuit
10:05:18 <Halcyon> I have always had comprehensive insurance for this reason
10:05:22 <Ampera> In NY you must have complete liability insurance
10:05:34 <Ampera> because here if someone crashes into you, you are absolutely allowed to sue
10:06:05 <Ampera> If I got hit and it was bad, and especially if they didn't have insurance I'd sue them dead
10:06:30 <Halcyon> Yeh so if I didn't have insurance, the only option for me to get money out of him would be to take him to court
10:06:41 <Halcyon> Which would be a long, arduous process and even then, I might not get anything
10:06:55 <Ampera> Do you have no fault accident rulings?
10:07:07 <Ampera> as a practiced concept I mean
10:07:15 <Halcyon> I'm not too sure what you mean?
10:07:25 <Ampera> My grandfather got into an accident a little while ago, and because of the nature of the crash, it was ruled a no fault
10:07:33 <Halcyon> Oh right
10:07:35 <Ampera> as in there wasn't enough to state one driver or the other was at fault, so it was ruled no fault
10:07:47 <Ampera> We don't have that in New York, as far as I know there's always a fault, but they do in Connecticut
10:07:55 <Halcyon> I'm not sure actually, I don't know much about the civil court system and how the rulings work
10:08:00 <Halcyon> Never really been involved in them
10:08:02 <Ampera> this isn't civil court
10:08:04 <Ampera> this is police
10:08:10 <Ampera> the police determine fault
10:08:31 <Ampera> I have no clue if the courts can say anything about that, I suppose if you could prove that judgement was in error maybe
10:08:46 <Ampera> btw, Halcyon, what thinkpad did you have?
10:08:50 <Halcyon> Oh if there is not enough evidence to determine one way or another, sure, that's what we put in our report and the insurance companies will get a copy of that, but they can make their own ruling.
10:08:54 <Ampera> or do you even
10:09:01 <Halcyon> But Police here don't investigate minor crashes
10:09:05 <Halcyon> I have the P1 Gen 2
10:09:06 <Ampera> er, I made a clarification and made it even more confusing
10:09:24 <DHess_US> Sounds like a discussion we had once of a mileage transmitter hunt that I won. They claimed I didn't win because I cheated by driving down a street the wrong way. I replied that I was driving backwards so was facing the correct direction.
10:10:35 <Halcyon> Either way, my insurance do everything and it costs me nothing, since I wasn't at fault
10:10:36 <Ampera> I wonder if we have a law against driving backwards here
10:11:00 <Halcyon> But the costs for repair I reckon will be $20-$30k
10:11:28 <Ampera> like, you'd be stupid to do it, but if you, in theory, could, would you be breaking the law
10:11:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, I think I recall your general specs, what did you pay for yours new
10:11:47 <Halcyon> We have a law that says reversing must be carried out with "care"
10:13:09 <Halcyon> The laptop itself was AUD$3231
10:13:34 <Ampera> so actually a little bit less than the one I got
10:13:42 <Ampera> Mine's pretty damn good, it's got the works pretty much
10:13:48 <Halcyon> That's with 32GB RAM, 2x 512GB NVMe drives and the Quadro T2000 4GB GPU
10:14:09 <Ampera> This is 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe PCIe 4, and an RTX 3080 16GB
10:14:10 <Halcyon> This are a year ago mind you, the Gen 3 has come out since then
10:14:20 <Halcyon> *was
10:14:36 <Halcyon> Yeh nice
10:14:46 <Halcyon> That's actually a pretty reasonable price for those specs
10:14:48 <Ampera> Gen 4 is out
10:15:37 <Ampera> Yeah, I think the reason I didn't get the P1 Gen 4 is because it couldn't get one with a 3080 in it under 3K US
10:15:58 <Halcyon> Your CPU is also quite a bit faster than mine too
10:16:03 <Halcyon> But it's also much newer
10:16:06 <Ampera> Yeah but that's to be expected
10:16:16 <Ampera> how many memory slots and M.2 slots does your have?
10:16:32 <Ampera> mine has 4 slots and 3 full size M.2 slots (1x PCIe 4, 2x PCIe 3)
10:16:36 <Halcyon> The single-threaded rating is about the same, but your multi-threaded performance is almost double
10:16:46 <Ampera> I think it even has support for NVMe RAID, but I doubt that's hardware
10:16:55 <Halcyon> I think it has 1 M.2 slot (which I don't use) and 2 memory slots I believe.
10:17:00 <Halcyon> And 2 NVMe slots
10:17:09 <Ampera> what the fuck is an NVMe slot
10:17:20 <Halcyon> Where the SSDs go
10:17:26 <Ampera> that's an M.2 slot
10:17:30 <DHess_US> The system I built for myself last year has this motherboard, https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-X570-PRO/
10:17:44 <Halcyon> OK sure, if you want to look at it like that
10:17:48 <DHess_US> M.2 Slots can be SATA or NVMe.
10:17:55 <Halcyon> I know M.2 is just the form factor
10:17:55 <Ampera> or USB
10:18:31 <Ampera> and apparently I2C, SDIO, UART, PCM, CNVi, UIM, HSIC, SSIC, SMBus, and DP, according to wikipedia
10:18:44 <DHess_US> I installed a Crucial P5 NVMe M.2 drive in one slot.
10:18:53 <DHess_US> Just for swap
10:19:08 <Ampera> My desktop has dual PCIe 4 m.2 slots.
10:19:22 <Ampera> One of my first upgrades is likely going to be a couple of SSDs for that laptop to bring it up to 3TB
10:19:29 <DHess_US> The thing I was looking for in a motherboard was 3 x16 PCI slots for GPU, RAID, and network.
10:20:12 <DHess_US> And as many x1 PCI slots for extra stuff
10:20:14 <Ampera> My X570 board sadly only has 2 16x PCIe slots. While I don't need a RAID card, as RAID is 1. obsolete in hardware 2. I don't have spinning disks anyways, I'd love a capture card
10:20:36 <DHess_US> Yea, finding 3 real PCI x16 slots was tough.
10:20:44 <Ampera> they aren't real
10:20:54 <DHess_US> You have to look for a motherboard with a bridge ship to split x16 PCIe into 2 x x8 PCIe.
10:21:03 <Ampera> aye
10:21:10 <DHess_US> That's right, they aren't x16, but at least they are x8
10:21:12 <Ampera> but they're not "real" 16x
10:21:29 <DHess_US> And I would have settled for x4
10:21:33 <DHess_US> Like my old board
10:21:44 <Ampera> My DL580 G7 is a fucking monster simply for having 13 fully decked out PCIe slots
10:21:49 <Ampera> I think about half 16x and half 8x
10:21:55 <DHess_US> I would have prefered not to have the x570 chipset but didn't have much choice there.
10:22:28 <Ampera> I'm not entirely sure what I'll do with my desktop once I have my laptop, as its utility will be significantly diminished by my laptop's presence
10:22:34 <DHess_US> Yea, the backup plan would have been a threadripper board, but I didn't want to spend the extra money.
10:22:40 <Ampera> so I'll probably throw FreeBSD on it and turn it into another compute server
10:23:16 <DHess_US> And I only got a 65 watt Ryzen 3700X instead of waiting for the Ryzen 4700x.
10:23:37 <Ampera> 5700X
10:23:47 <Ampera> 4000 series is mobile only
10:23:51 <Ampera> because why number things sensibly
10:23:53 <DHess_US> 5700x then
10:24:01 <DHess_US> This is the cooler I got and I don't like it, https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2
10:24:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Scythe | CPU Cooler | Fuma 2 | United States
10:24:05 <DHess_US> I should have gotten a hyper 212
10:24:16 <Ampera> I have an AIO 240mm cooler from Corsair
10:24:25 <Ampera> nothing wrong with it except for the blasting fucking spotlight strapped to the water block
10:24:29 <DHess_US> But I installed 64G of ECC RAM so that is nice. Couldn't get 128G in ECC.
10:25:40 <DHess_US> I have a "new" old graphics card, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082WL8KD9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
10:25:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.com
10:25:53 <DHess_US> bought it just before prices went out of style.
10:26:06 <Ampera> I got a 1660Ti when I put together machine
10:26:14 <Ampera> which I regret, as I should have spent the extra paycheck on a 2080Ti or something
10:26:31 <Ampera> That's part of why I bought that thinkpad, as it has a 3080 in it
10:26:47 <DHess_US> nVidia has been on my shit list since ... 2002
10:26:55 <DHess_US> I haven't bought anything nVidia since then.
10:27:02 <Ampera> I have never owned a serious AMD graphics card
10:27:06 <Ampera> nor ATI really
10:27:28 <DHess_US> nVidia fucked me and everybody else over with their nForce2 chipset. The company is skum.
10:27:39 <Ampera> haha yeah, the nforce chipsets were hot garbage
10:27:44 <Ampera> I can feel that pain
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10:28:00 <DHess_US> Linus said it best, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
10:28:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Linus Torvalds To Nvidia - "Fuck You"
10:28:14 <Ampera> The sad fact is in most segments, nvidia is unrivaled.
10:28:44 <Ampera> For however much people praise them, the AMD video drivers on Linux aren't awesome. Neither are nvidia's but it's not like the AMD drivers are brilliant
10:28:59 <Ampera> Intel's graphics drivers on Linux are awesome though
10:29:04 <DHess_US> Yes, and also unrivaled for being jerks.
10:29:16 <Ampera> which is why I'm sort of excited for them into getting into the graphics card market as a serious competitor
10:29:28 <Ampera> also because they don't lock down GPU paravirtualization on their cards
10:29:32 <Ampera> which AMD and nvidia do
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21:54:15 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/xJcbL16
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21:55:40 <hsn> What a wierd twirking ass component i found in some industrial psu
21:57:56 <hsn> Also very nice toroids
21:58:14 <hsn> http://imgur.com/a/Z4CcASl
21:58:56 <T3sl4> cute mounts
21:59:32 <T3sl4> cute, 8051 mcu
21:59:46 <hsn> What is the twirking component?
22:00:42 <T3sl4> F1301?
22:00:45 <hsn> EMI SUPPRESSION FILTERS NOS .022UF
22:00:48 <T3sl4> or FI301 or whatever it is
22:00:48 <hsn> Yes
22:01:14 <T3sl4> oh look at that bodge a couple diodes up, yuck
22:01:24 <T3sl4> thats just two ferrite beads and a ceramic cap in one
22:02:42 <hsn> Ah
22:03:16 <T3sl4> classic 90s circuit design, complete with THs, MELF diodes (surprisingly few MELF resistors?) and a few PLCCs
22:03:21 <hsn> It acts as some ass twirking component to noise?
22:03:42 <hsn> Ie it asses the noise
22:03:59 <T3sl4> no that would add ripple and increase excitement, quite the opposite
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22:05:11 <hsn> Maybe they dont need melfs every where
22:06:51 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/8n1iray
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22:10:38 <hsn> So now i should scalvage this thing?
22:13:01 <T3sl4> i guess you can, you can do whatever you want
22:13:16 <hsn> T3sl4: it seems there is tombstobe also on the board
22:13:19 * Halcyon hugs T3sl4
22:13:30 * T3sl4 spooks Halcyon
22:13:32 <hsn> 90s there are these things? I thought its old electronics
22:14:31 <steve30> hi
22:14:42 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/cKkAXXm
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22:14:50 <hsn> Halo Halcyon halo steve30
22:15:00 <Halcyon> Hey hsn
22:15:09 <hsn> How is it going
22:15:27 <T3sl4> looks more likely that was an intentional replacement but yeh it ain't pretty
22:15:32 * steve30 meows at hsn
22:15:57 <T3sl4> oh what's that 4002 thing? a diode? man, i forgot they made MELFs of those
22:16:21 * T3sl4 passes steve30 a pastry
22:16:27 <T3sl4> scOWNED!
22:17:13 * hsn covers Halcyon the bird from steve30 the cat
22:17:30 <hsn> Sm4002
22:17:32 * steve30 nibbles
22:18:01 <hsn> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/dcomponents/SM4002-CT/13158296
22:18:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Request Rejected
22:20:02 <hsn> T3sl4: these film capacitors the orange ones ? Why there are alot of these
22:20:09 <T3sl4> right
22:27:39 <hsn> These toroids have cover and some white pad under
22:41:26 <steve30> I'm pleased to say i'm feeling a smidgen better than i was last weekend. Still far from feeling good, but better than last week.
22:41:33 <steve30> also, i slept reasonably well last night
22:41:39 <T3sl4> aw thats good
23:43:57 <hsn> https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/15/boeing_737_max_tech_pilot_charged_mcas/
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