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01:52 <Nothing\> steve30, i thought i had prostatitis for the last few weeks but i think it mighta just been a UTI
01:56 <Halcyon> steve30, isn't ivermictin the stuff they give cattle?
02:18 <Nothing\> the more i chug and force myself to piss, the less pain and discomfort i feel
02:34 <steve30> Nothing\, ouch
02:49 <Nothing\> Halcyon, they give a lot of drugs to animals that they give to humans
02:52 <steve30> Nothing\, yes, they give to to big animals (horses seem common)
03:02 <steve30> *halcyon even
03:14 <Nothing\> steve30, thankfully it wasn't painful, but it was uncomfortable as hell
03:19 * Ampera shoves a horse aspirin up Halcyon's ass
03:27 <Halcyon> Sure. Hopefully she isn't self-medicating
03:44 <steve30> I thought she might have covid-19 but she doesnt' seem to have enough symptoms
03:44 <Halcyon> Ampera, you're the one who likes things up him
03:57 <Nothing\> constant urethral burning/stinging and a feeling like i always have to go or like i'm about to jizz my pants at any given moment
03:57 <Halcyon> There is no such thing as "enough symptoms"
04:04 <Halcyon> A person can have it and have no symptoms
04:12 <Ampera> well no
04:18 <Ampera> COVID isn't a thing
04:22 <Ampera> you can't have it because it's made up
04:24 <Halcyon> :P
04:38 <Halcyon> Explain how my 5G is so good then?
04:52 <Nothing\> lol
05:12 <Ampera> it's not, it's just 4G LTE Advanced+ Max
05:23 <Halcyon> I did a speed test the other day, 678 down
05:33 <Halcyon> That was at work
05:39 <Nothing\> the health unit here said the curve's starting to flatten out for the 4th wave
05:40 <steve30> cool
05:56 <Nothing\> so it looks like our 4th wave is at its zenith
06:37 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/m3MJ3PU
06:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - R.I.P. Lt Mini-Maverick - Album on Imgur
06:39 <Halcyon> Maybe after I get my 3rd vaccination, I'll have better 5G at home
06:40 <Ampera> Our 5G isn't yet that good
06:42 <Halcyon> It's not quite there yet
06:49 <Ampera> let me find the speed test I had on my 5G
06:49 <Nothing\> im' one to think that covid isn't going anywhere
07:04 <steve30> Isn't the booster job for the 6G upgrade?
07:04 <Nothing\> there's no damn way they're ever gonna get rid of it
07:16 <Halcyon> Hold your horses steve30 :P
07:20 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/756265864667332758/Screenshot_20200917-172826_Speedtest.jpg
07:25 <Nothing\> especially as long as pople aren't getting vaccinated
07:26 <Ampera> It's close though
07:33 <Halcyon> Still pretty good
07:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, i should check my speed
07:38 <Nothing\> i have no idea what it is
07:51 <Ampera> I kinda want to go down to NYC and see what it's like down there
07:59 <Ampera> as they have the 60ghz stuff
08:09 <Halcyon> We're yet to turn all that on here
08:11 <Nothing\> pfft 60hz
08:19 <steve30> atm i have 64Mbps down and 17Mbps up
08:22 <Halcyon> Our 5G is on 3200 Mhz-ish I think
08:24 <Nothing\> come back to me when it's 60thz
08:29 <Ampera> afaik we have AWS and 600mhz bands for 5G where I live
08:30 <Halcyon> And the lower bands
08:33 <Nothing\> er 60ghz
08:44 <Nothing\> come back @ 60thc
08:46 <Nothing\> thz
09:14 <steve30> one for Halcyon
09:14 <steve30> https://i.redd.it/8tctngg1a6q71.jpg
09:26 <Ampera> looks like 2.5Ghz n41 and 600mhz n71
09:36 <Halcyon> Who's kitty/Thinkpad?
09:37 <Ampera> some areas have Sprint's 3.7ghz n77 band
10:01 <Nothing\> my speed test should be good cuz i'm connected with 1 gigabit ethernet
10:14 <Halcyon> That keyboard etc... looks almost identical to my P1
10:27 <Ampera> Nothing\, you keep saying these things that make me want to hurt you as much as they hurt me
10:54 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's your fault if they hurt you
11:11 <steve30> i should go for a lie down
11:15 <Nothing\> i mean, they'd have 0 effect on your life what so every otherwise
11:25 <Ampera> perhaps, but only because I know exactly why that is a completely irrelevant statment
11:28 <Ampera> er, statement
11:54 <Nothing\> care to share? or just act superior?
12:07 <Ampera> your LAN connection has no impact on your WAN speeds
12:18 <Halcyon> Welll.... sometimes it does
12:22 <Ampera> so long as it's greater than WAN, adding LAN doesn't matter
12:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, so you're telling me if i'm teling a 250mbps WAN connection with a 54mbps LAN connection it's gonna have no effect on my speed?
12:49 <Ampera> no, because you didn't read my qualifier
13:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, because you made a stupid assumption about what i said
13:15 <Ampera> no I did not
13:19 <Halcyon> Crappy consumer routers often choke at higher WAN speeds because even though the link is 1Gbps, it can't route that fast
13:24 <Ampera> ^
13:25 <Ampera> that too
13:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, my statement applies to my situation
13:44 <Nothing\> you assumed that my situation was different
13:57 <Nothing\> because my statement is the one exemption you had
14:12 <Nothing\> so everything you've said has been in vain
14:21 <Ampera> ok
14:26 <Halcyon> Play nice boys
14:27 <Nothing\> i'm well aware of how LAN speeds affect WAN speeds
14:48 <Halcyon> I need to buy new running shorts
14:56 <Halcyon> My current ones are starting to get a hole
15:03 <Ampera> shorts are gay
15:06 <Nothing\> i need a new shirt
15:07 <Ampera> you should definitely buy more
15:10 <Nothing\> i only have 1
15:16 <Ampera> you only have one shirt
15:17 <Halcyon> You have 1 shirt?
15:20 <Ampera> how
15:20 <Nothing\> yeah
15:24 <Nothing\> i dunno
15:29 <Nothing\> i wear it like 3 hours a week
15:33 <Halcyon> I think I wore 3 shifts just today
15:37 <Halcyon> *shirts
15:47 <Ampera> well that's because you're a hypochondriac
15:55 <Nothing\> lol
16:00 <Halcyon> Wha?
16:29 <Nothing\> i am siam sam
16:37 <Halcyon> ?
17:33 <Nothing\> would it be animal abuse to have diarrhea on a hamster?
17:36 <Halcyon> So what you're saying Nothing\ is that most of the time you go around naked?
17:46 <Nothing\> in boxers, but yeah
17:58 <Halcyon> At least you're comfy
18:04 <Nothing\> exactly!
18:15 <Nothing\> i can't stand the feeling of clothes on my skin
18:27 <Halcyon> I can't wear clothes to bed
18:36 <Nothing\> same
18:39 <Nothing\> or blankets
18:40 <Halcyon> But generally I like to be loosy goose
18:44 <Halcyon> Shorts/T-shirt
18:46 <Ampera> I exclusively wear briefs, and I commonly wear clothes to bed
18:54 <Ampera> I've slept in jeans on more than one occasion
19:00 <Halcyon> Oh I like blankets, but it has to have some weight to it to feel nice
19:10 <Ampera> I do not like heavy blankets, my blankets are thin
19:12 <Halcyon> I find briefs too... bunchy
19:24 <Ampera> well there's an obvious reason why
19:27 <Ampera> your cock is too big
19:37 <Halcyon> Shh
19:46 <Ampera> It's alright, mine is too big too
20:08 <Halcyon> You could have a micropenis and it would still be too big for you Ampera
20:31 <Ampera> not if that micropenis were describable as a clit
20:40 <Halcyon> I guess
20:54 <Ampera> my facts and logic have just destroyed your emotions and religion
20:56 <Ampera> pow
21:39 <Halcyon> I don't have religion
21:58 <Ampera> I thought gay was a religion
22:11 <Ampera> if it's not, why all the parades and being obnoxious about what you are to other people
22:31 <Halcyon> The parades are just an excuse to make money and get wasted for most people
22:44 <Ampera> alcohol is a sin
22:45 <Ampera> you sinner
22:46 <Ampera> go to hell
22:51 <Halcyon> The Mardi Gras brings in millions and millions of dollars to Sydney for that one weekend
23:07 <Ampera> being gay is okay, that just makes jesus horny, but when you drink, you make jesus cum his pants
23:14 <Ampera> that's why we get 2-3ft snowfalls
24:48 <Halcyon> Makes me horny too
24:52 <Halcyon> Soooo...
25:02 <Ampera> oh neat
25:05 <Ampera> hi jesus
25:15 <Halcyon> Jebus forgives your sins
25:20 <Ampera> haven't seen my son in a while,
25:25 <Ampera> nice to know you're here now
26:00 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejn4YBOOntM
26:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Family Guy : Jesus' magic trick
32:17 <Nothing\> 575mbs down
32:21 <Nothing\> btu only 16mbps up
32:23 <Nothing\> lol
32:45 <Halcyon> Not bad
32:49 <Halcyon> But yeh upload sucks
35:47 <Nothing\> 9ms ping
36:14 <Nothing\> wonder how much distance that works out to on a transmission line
36:20 <Nothing\> lemme maths
36:30 <Ampera> that's DOCSIS for you :P
36:33 <Ampera> let me grab mine
36:40 <Nothing\> cuz i know where the server is, so i want to see if my math agrees with that
37:18 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/599897035700699156/we9el41Jf3QAAAAASUVORK5CYII.png
37:23 <Ampera> here's one I took a while ago
38:30 <Halcyon> I'll grab yours Ampera :P
38:41 <Ampera> lol
38:48 <Ampera> not my fault I am better than you because I have fiber
38:52 <Ampera> no wait it is
39:08 <Halcyon> Oh I wasn't talking about your internet connection :P
39:33 <Ampera> I was
39:44 * Halcyon fingers it
39:53 <Halcyon> You can take that either way as well
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05:54 <Nothing\> BJT question for you guys
06:09 <Nothing\> which terminal is the substrate usually connected to?
06:13 <Ampera> bacon jam and tomato is delicious if you use lettuce instead of jam
06:17 <Ampera> question answered
06:37 <steve30> bit sure
06:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but such food is a tease to me as i can't eat bacon
07:01 <steve30> *not
07:01 <Nothing\> or cashews, or popcorn
07:06 <Nothing\> or crackers
07:20 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i didn't even realize BJTs had a substrate connection
08:10 <Nothing\> but i have this chip with 5 matched BJTs, 2 PNP and 3 NPN, but it also has a substrate pin
08:32 <Nothing\> ah wel i'm sure i can figure it out
10:00 <Nothing\> actually i wonder if it'd say in the art of electronics
10:08 <Nothing\> there's quite a comprehensive section on BJTs
11:13 <Nothing\> nopee, nothing even mentioning substrates until it touches on FETs
11:34 <Nothing\> guess i'll peruse the datasheet
12:08 <Nothing\> CA3096ce
13:24 <Nothing\> heh i was reading last night that some power transistors have such terrible gain that they have what i assume would be a negative gain
14:03 <Kuschelpony> nothing: the collector
14:10 <Nothing\> where the base voltage hase to be higher than the collector
14:27 <Kuschelpony> and a good evening to you all
14:33 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, thanks, that's what i was thinking cuz it's basically how it is in a FET
14:41 <Nothing\> and to you as well
14:52 <Kuschelpony> nothing, its fro mthe doping profile
15:15 <Kuschelpony> the collector has almost always the lowest doping to get high voltage breakdown
15:26 <Nothing\> huh i thought it had to do with parelleling so many transistors together
15:57 <DHess_US> Nothing\, look up "junction isolation"
16:10 <Nothing\> like igbt?
16:12 <Kuschelpony> nom ist just that the traqnsistor is built up onto the substrate that was made with little doping, than the base and emmitter dopend on the top of it
17:14 <Kuschelpony> for dual trasistors andarrays and the ike, its what DHess says, then the N substrate is siolated by P-wells (whicht then as in any IC) need to be connected to the most negative voltage
17:42 <Nothing\> ah i thought i read somewhere that power transistors use up to thousands of transistors in parallel
17:53 <Nothing\> or some of them anyways
18:01 <Kuschelpony> thats also right
18:25 <Nothing\> i forget what they called them but they were a special, vertical type of transistor rather than planar
18:25 <Kuschelpony> think ike a hugecollector that collects the electrons innected by many many emitter stripes in paralell
18:37 <Kuschelpony> arg, and i need to type slower again
19:17 <DHess_US> For NPN transistors on a junction isoalted process, the substrate connects through a diode to the collectors.
19:27 <Kuschelpony> you cold also look at the beautilful photos made by noopy who has shown many transistors in magnificent pictures
19:28 <Nothing\> so now i wonder with this chip
19:30 <Nothing\> file:///C:/datasheets/datasheets/bjts/ca3096%20-%20NPN%20and%20PNP%20Transistor%20Array%20IC.pdf
19:33 <Nothing\> oops
19:37 <Nothing\> that won't help you much
19:39 <Nothing\> one sec
19:41 <Kuschelpony> :)
19:42 <DHess_US> The ca3096 is junction isolated
20:06 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i'm just wondering if i need to connect the substrate to the collector of every bjt on the chip
20:09 <DHess_US> The substrate should be connected to the most negative voltage that will be encountered.
20:10 <Nothing\> or just one
20:25 <DHess_US> None
20:41 <Nothing\> emitter then, most likely
20:44 <DHess_US> The substrate needs to be connected to a voltage at least if not more negative than any other terminal.
21:06 <Nothing\> how's that work on a discreet bjt?
21:44 <DHess_US> For discrete bipolar transistors, the substrate *is* the collector.
22:11 <DHess_US> They don't have an extra junction for isolation
22:14 <Nothing\> hrm so i guess that's not the same as connecting it to the collector
22:19 <Kuschelpony> mmh, one question, who is writing about PNP or NPN ?
22:27 <Kuschelpony> that we dont confuse things
22:38 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, both, the chip has 2 pnp and 3 npn transistors
22:42 <DHess_US> Usually the substrate is connected to the most negative power supply rail.
22:49 <Kuschelpony> yeah, thats realyl interesting one
22:54 <Nothing\> then pins for each terminal on the transistor
22:59 <Nothing\> and a substrate pin
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23:21 <Kuschelpony> mmh, its likely a P substrate that needs to be connected to the most negative voltage
23:23 <Nothing\> https://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/fall17/DataSheets/ca3096.pdf
23:27 <Nothing\> there's the datasheet
23:35 <Nothing\> a bit more useful one for you
23:46 <Kuschelpony> what i wrote about the substrae was refering to a single NPN die where the substrate ist the collector and therefore the most positive voltage
24:01 <Kuschelpony> thank, reading now
24:08 <Nothing\> and thank you
24:15 <Nothing\> i appreciate the time and input
24:32 <Nothing\> i've got one of these sitting on a breadboard right now waiting to be used
24:40 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure i remember what i was gonna use it for
24:44 <Nothing\> i think a current mirror
25:04 <DHess_US> https://www.zseries.in/vlsi%20lab/bjt/images/2.jpg
25:06 <Nothing\> just for the fun of it, you understand
25:50 <Kuschelpony> note 1 on page 2 says all you asked
25:57 <DHess_US> That shows that the substrate connects through diodes to the NPN collectors and PNP bases.
26:25 <Kuschelpony> dhess, thanks you poasted what i tried to describe in words
26:42 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, thanks. perhaps i was getting a bit ahead of myself asking before reading
27:00 <Nothing\> though i'd be lying if i said i ddin't want to start a conversation about substrates on BJTs
27:05 <Kuschelpony> no worries, im happy to help
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27:14 <DHess_US> If the substrate is forward biased, then carriers are injects which can cause all kinds of weird things to happen.
27:35 <Nothing\> okay so i want a reverse biased substrate
27:43 <DHess_US> always.
27:47 <Nothing\> gotcha
27:53 <Nothing\> that's a good rule of thumb to know
28:09 <Nothing\> speaking of which
28:18 <DHess_US> If you bias the substrate further negative, then it lowers the junction capacitance and speeds up operation.
28:23 <Nothing\> kind of a tangent question, but one that i've always wondered about
28:31 <Nothing\> sort of a 1.5 part question
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29:07 <Nothing\> first, can you damage a jfet by biasing it wrong? i forget if it's reverse or forward biased they're supposed to operate in in depletion mode
29:20 * Ampera hugs TheDude 
29:24 <Ampera> how are you dudeing TheDude?
29:35 <Nothing\> i remember in circuitmod it'd alway stop the circuit immediately and complain about it when i biased a jfet wrong
29:51 <Nothing\> and would refused to run until i fixed the biasing problem
30:00 <Nothing\> basically if i biased it like a mosfet
30:11 <Kuschelpony> nothing a jfet operates in reverse bias to pinch off the channel
30:29 <Nothing\> yes okay so it's forward bias i'm thining of
30:31 <Kuschelpony> but it does not get damaged from forward bias, just distorts prettry bad
30:41 <Nothing\> ah i see
31:08 <Kuschelpony> when a forward current flows into the gate, the channel resistance suddenly drops very low, almost like a bipolar transistor switching on
31:10 <Nothing\> maybe in circuitmod it has a quirk where the resistance goes down to 0 once you forward bias it enough and the program just strokes out
31:23 <DHess_US> Nothing\, no, forward biasing the JFET gate won't damage it unless the maximum current is exceeded.
31:48 <Nothing\> like how it doesn't consider wires to have any resistance, so you can't connect 2 caps together without a 1 ohm resistor between them
31:49 <Kuschelpony> i remember when i was young (yeah that long ago) that i tried if i could run an BF245 into oscilatiosn like a unijunction transsitor
31:56 <DHess_US> That is why JFET amplifiers only need one diode to protect them. The gate functions as the other diode.
32:05 <Nothing\> DHess_US, okay that answers that
32:20 <Nothing\> and Kuschelpony's expounding on the answer answers my follow-up question
32:35 <Kuschelpony> so?
32:37 <Nothing\> which is why it's unwanted to forward bias a jfet
32:42 <Kuschelpony> hihi :)
33:05 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, no i was saying you went into such great detail that it answered my second question
33:07 <Kuschelpony> mostly it is to avoid input current because often a FET is choosen that you have practically no input xurrent
33:18 <Kuschelpony> sure i am hapyp to help
33:27 <Nothing\> you're a great help, i've gotta say
34:40 <Kuschelpony> it gives me the feeling of i can contribute at least a tiny bit to a better worlsd and satisfied people, with sharing my knowloedge
34:45 <Nothing\> so then i'm guessing most negative point in a DC circuit would be 0v
34:47 <Nothing\> or ground
34:56 <Nothing\> just a hunch
35:21 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i know exactly what you mean. I have the same sense of obligation
35:28 <Kuschelpony> mmh, depends on how much input current you can tolerate, it goes well upto about +.3v on the gate but past .5v you certainly get distortion
35:41 <Nothing\> i figure if i can teach one person at least one thing that's life changing, then my own life hasn't been in vain
35:56 <Nothing\> and i know i've at the very least gotten my niece interested in science
36:04 <Nothing\> since she was 5
36:18 <Nothing\> i'm estranged now, but last i knew her she was still gung ho about it at 13
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36:28 <Nothing\> so i think she caught the bug
37:36 <Nothing\> plus i frequently spend upwards of an hour writing comments on youtube videos, or just replies to comments, no matter how old or how few views/thumbs up
37:40 <Kuschelpony> yeah, its nicwe when people stil lwant to learn more, instead of just rejecting anything
37:53 <Nothing\> again i figure if i can reach one person, then every moment of that was worth it
38:26 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah i try to present topics in a way that they're interesting to people who wouldn't have otherwise given the subject any thought
38:47 <Kuschelpony> some years i thought i should really hold some electronics courses for students, because i often see their knowledge is far from practical
39:04 <Nothing\> my think is doing math based on thought experiments or other content on youtube
39:09 <Kuschelpony> but i also see professors that should get a course, as i have to repair their stuff ... :)
39:17 <Nothing\> or even just doing some light applied physics
39:25 <Kuschelpony> im looking back to more than 30 years of DIY
39:44 <Kuschelpony> from a basic curiousity and wish to build own stuff
40:35 <Nothing\> like in this gun video (demolition ranch) i'm not a gun fan, but i like his channel. But anyways an example of the sort of comment i might leave is on one video he speculated about the weight of a tungsten cube he got that was about 15cm^2
40:57 <Nothing\> so i wrote a comment up estimating the weight based on my estimate of the dimensions
41:08 <Kuschelpony> hmm, about 3 liters so about 20 kilos if i remember right
41:21 <Kuschelpony> that ungsten qwas somwwaht around 6 kilo per liter
41:29 <Nothing\> i wish i could tihnk of more interesting examples of maths posts i've made
41:31 <Kuschelpony> mercury had 7
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41:47 <Kuschelpony> ah its fine
41:50 <Nothing\> nah tungsten's more dense than mercury, isn't it?
41:56 <Nothing\> or is it the hardness?
42:01 <Kuschelpony> need to check, that was half memoried
42:01 <Nothing\> hardness/strength
42:16 <Kuschelpony> hihi, i think every solid metal is more hard than liquid mercury :)
42:17 <Nothing\> yeah i thought tungsten was the second most dense
42:28 <Nothing\> followed closely by rhenium
42:38 <Nothing\> haha touche
42:42 <Kuschelpony> hmm, right, just after gold, i did had a wrong number in memory
42:51 <Nothing\> leave me alone, it's noone and i've been up since 2am
42:58 <Kuschelpony> ok, i should really use wikipedia a bit more again
43:27 <Kuschelpony> ah yes the fun of the different timezones
43:28 <Nothing\> okay 19.3g/cm^3 for tungsten
43:41 <Kuschelpony> its 17:43 here and i am happy home from my work week
43:46 <Kuschelpony> oops i was totally off
43:50 <Kuschelpony> so 60 kilos
43:54 <Nothing\> 21.02g/cm^3 for rhenium
44:44 <Nothing\> and mercury's a respectable, but relatively paltry 13.534g/cm^3
45:19 <Nothing\> i only know this because i found a really nifty interactive periodic table the other day
45:40 <Kuschelpony> ah well
46:16 <Nothing\> https://www.rsc.org/periodic-table
46:17 <Kuschelpony> my brain holds what i read in books but i use that stuff so little that i had the past minurtes all the wrong numbers posted
46:18 <EEVBot> [Title] -
46:26 <Nothing\> can't go wrong with the royal society
46:41 <Nothing\> i always love watching their christmas lectures every year
47:35 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i prefer to read stuff, have alwqys issues to understand and follow the speech of others
47:49 <Nothing\> there's a great video by this channel called engineering guy or something to that effect, but he reads word for word the entire first christmas lecture from the royal societ given by michael faraday about the chemistry of candles
47:59 <Kuschelpony> ah
48:22 <Nothing\> that's a perfect example of how a person can make a mundane subject you never would have thought about into something incredibly interesting
48:35 <Nothing\> when you can sit for an hour and listen to how candles work
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48:58 <Nothing\> nothing about how they're made, just the chemistry and science of it
49:02 <Kuschelpony> ah yes sure!
49:36 <Kuschelpony> i did read some ten thousand pages of the "Annalen der Physik" from the early 1800s to 1905 which can be downloadad from archive.org
49:59 <Kuschelpony> its always amazing to follow the great scientists how they made and presented their discoveries
50:02 <Nothing\> bah compared to my large iced cappuccino, that redbull knock-off was woefully insufficient
50:21 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh that's cool
50:54 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to find a repository of information and anecdotes about historical chemical lab accidents
50:58 <Kuschelpony> like for example how Heinrich Hertz wrote over dozens of pages how he made sure that his observatiosn of sparks that got trigegred by the then new discovered UV radiation were NOT effects from the decimeter waves he discovered before
51:07 <Nothing\> in particular, when trying to isolate elemental fluorine
51:29 <Kuschelpony> mmh, there is very littel about chemistry in these, except for the really early issues when it was in its infancy
51:32 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that's really awesome
51:53 <Nothing\> another thing i'd always been interested in was the logistics and techniques behind experiments of that time
51:58 <Kuschelpony> yeah, Henry Moissan was the first who not only did it, but also still was able to write about it after he did
52:07 <Nothing\> like how if you wanted a length of insulated wire
52:12 <Nothing\> you had to do it yourself
52:22 <Kuschelpony> right
52:22 <Nothing\> insulate the wire, that is
52:37 <Kuschelpony> usually they weere just hing in the air
52:37 <Nothing\> or if you were a chemist, you had to blow all of your glassware yourself
52:47 <Kuschelpony> getting electricity was smethign different
53:18 <Nothing\> i think most labs used dynamos or voltaic/galvanic piles, didn't they?
53:34 <Kuschelpony> in the 1830s to 1840s the only person worldwide who could do medium power experiments upto a feww kilowatts was mr Cruikshank
53:35 <Nothing\> depending on the era, of course
54:29 <Kuschelpony> he had a basement of some hundred square meters full of battery cells, every cell a glass through of cubic meter size, and about a dozen of helpers runningaround to change zinc plates and add spilled acid
55:10 <Nothing\> or one thing that always amazed me
55:19 <Nothing\> was looking at the work of mathematicians of the time
55:24 <Kuschelpony> later there were generators that used like 2 tons of magnet steel for 300 wats to light one singöle arc lamp
55:36 <Nothing\> and imagining how much "scratch pad" work they must have done for it
55:36 <Kuschelpony> so the dynamo was really a game changer
56:20 <Nothing\> like for example, doing an FFT and how much work goes into doing that by hand
56:28 <TheDude> hello
56:36 <TheDude> Ampera, other people
56:44 <Nothing\> a lot of major mathematicians had to have had assistants who did all of the menial calculations for them
57:14 <Ampera> hello TheDude how are you
57:26 <Nothing\> but then it would be harder to keep your work organized if you had somebody else working with you like that
57:27 <Kuschelpony> hmm, im not sure about the history of F FT but i know the generalized FT was a thing that could be wel done by hand
57:42 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, well it was just one example
57:52 <Kuschelpony> yes, its ok
58:02 <TheDude> hey
58:04 <TheDude> doing alright
58:15 <TheDude> got the unofficial offer from the potential worplace
58:19 <TheDude> workplace*
58:21 <Nothing\> i'm just trying to point out how much tediuous math a mathematician of that era must havehad to do
58:48 <TheDude> the salary for the probation period (6 months) would be 47% higher than current salary
59:09 <Nothing\> i get off probation in 5 months :D
59:09 <Kuschelpony> likely
59:13 <Nothing\> actually, less than 5 now
59:15 <TheDude> and after that like 62% higher after the probation period if it goes okay
59:16 <Nothing\> 4.5
59:17 <Nothing\> :D
59:23 <Nothing\> after 2 years on it
59:31 <TheDude> not that kind of probation ffs
59:38 <Nothing\> i'm still trying to think of how to celebrate when i get off
59:43 <Nothing\> maybe walk around with a knife
59:45 <Nothing\> lol
59:47 <TheDude> cocaine and hookers?
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59:56 <Nothing\> nah that's not my thing anymore
00:12 <Nothing\> plus i just got over a UTI, i don't need another.
00:41 <Nothing\> i thought it was my prostate, but after some thinking about it i realized it was a UTI and started pushing fluids
01:01 <Nothing\> sure enough after i made myself pee enough, the burning went away. Thank the lord.
01:12 <TheDude> praise jebus
01:27 <TheDude> anyhow
01:30 <Nothing\> indeed, praise be until him
01:39 <Nothing\> *unto
01:53 <TheDude> isn't it "peace be unto him"?
02:04 <Nothing\> either or
02:13 <Nothing\> you can wish anything unto someone
02:14 <TheDude> and they chant that every time they say allah
02:17 <TheDude> EVERY
02:18 <TheDude> TIME
02:35 <Nothing\> yeah it's like christianity and saying "forever and ever, amen"
02:38 <Nothing\> i guess
02:39 <TheDude> miss it once, eternal damnation
02:54 <Nothing\> my god's much cooler than that
03:04 <Nothing\> much more laid back understanding
03:16 <Nothing\> not to mention realistic about His expectations of me
03:46 <Nothing\> all he cares about is that i put in a decent effort. That's it.
04:02 <Nothing\> i mean, what more can a God expect of their people?
04:25 <Nothing\> we can't be better than our best
04:42 <Nothing\> but that doesn't mean we can't strive for it
04:51 <Nothing\> sorry, i'm feeling preachy here
05:03 <Nothing\> and i don't like being preachy
08:01 <Kuschelpony> https://www.furaffinity.net/view/36780667/
08:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Granite the Horse (pic-1) by FirestormSix -- Fur Affinity [dot] net
08:10 <Kuschelpony> oops wrong chat
09:02 <Ampera> very wrong chat :P
09:49 <Kuschelpony> yeah, wanted to show someone else what i am waiting for :)
24:49 <Kuschelpony> sorry if i killed the chat
25:41 <jaymax> Wrong chat?
25:47 <jaymax> What do you mean?
26:36 <jaymax> Was I making misguided assumptions about steve30 this whole time?
26:50 <Kuschelpony> oh i meant i wanted o post the link somewhere else to show someone how the fursuit will look that i am waiting to get, but accidently posted it here so this was relative the wtrong chat
27:43 <Kuschelpony> i wondered moe why nothing stopped to ask tech questions
27:51 <jaymax> Given the other tangents this chat goes down (including mine), it seems hardly out of place.
27:59 <steve30> Looks like a cool fursuit (althoughi'm not really into that kind of stuff myself)
29:30 <jaymax> Yeah, it's looks damn good - also something I'd die of heat exhaustion in which fortunately also not my bag.
29:37 <Kuschelpony> yeah, that one maker has the right style to match my mustang like desire for one, but he is retiring and i am waiting for someone else which has a loooong aiting list to get a place
30:03 <Kuschelpony> surely not within this winter
30:25 <jaymax> debateable
32:12 <Kuschelpony> hmm?
32:39 <jaymax> I'm a sweaty goo-gob any time of year.
32:44 <jaymax> If there was a choice between the two, I'd go nudist - which would probably make m
33:06 <jaymax> ....me grow enough hair for a fur suit.
33:25 <Kuschelpony> lol
33:47 <Kuschelpony> while i hate the summer heath, im fairly tolerant to heavy suits during the other parts of the year
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26:39 <Nothing\> llol
27:03 <Nothing\> my cat stole a piece of cereal out of an old bowl of dry, stale cereal i had sitting out
27:12 <Nothing\> and she took it into the living room to play with it
27:28 <Nothing\> now the other cat's trying to get it from her and she's actually hissing and spitting at him
27:59 <Nothing\> probably cuz he's twice her size and always bullies her into giving up any toys she's playing with. Just like a big brother woud.
28:41 <Nothing\> doesn't matter how much he like it, if he sees her enjoying a toy or lying somewhere that looks like she's comfy, he'll attack her and get her to give it up
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45:36 <Nothing\> well
45:40 <Nothing\> thatwas... interesting
45:43 <Nothing\> and confusing
45:45 <Nothing\> but nice
45:59 <Nothing\> trying not to question good fortune but i'm just baffled
46:14 <Nothing\> my brother just called for my mum and he actually talked to me
46:18 <Nothing\> like nothing ever happened
46:37 <Nothing\> he was friendly, and cordial and happy and a real pleasure to talk to
46:43 <Nothing\> and what's more, he was sober
47:16 <Nothing\> and here i was thinking i'd destroyed 36 years of brotherhood with that one 30 second outburst
47:36 <Nothing\> anywho i gotta go drop something off at his place i'll bbiab
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16:31 <Kuschelpony> random humor for the day https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/_nc_ohc-8p794k8gbk8ax8rl1vg-_nc_ht-scontent-dus1-1-jpg.290012/
17:26 <rust_collector> goth birds are the best
32:26 <DHess_US> Not as good as bats at goth dance party, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNeD0EWyamc
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36:29 <rust_collector> awww. my belarussian is very poor. but that is a good look
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49:05 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://i.imgur.com/busk9IW.jpg
51:10 <DHess_US> Cats have their priorities straight.
04:01 <steve30> hehe
04:03 <steve30> meow :)
04:14 <steve30> maybe it ate all the human?
27:53 <steve30> I had a kitten try to eat me for breakfast once
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25:30 <EEVBot> Hello, watcher!
25:38 <steve30> hi
26:03 <watcher> steve30 some great project working on?
26:42 <steve30> nope, just drinking coffee :)
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05:54 <T3sl4> DHess_US: you'll probably like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3HN_ERwvc
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16:24 <Nothing\> yay i actually got a microphone that cost more than $5 for once
16:37 <Nothing\> but why does it need to record up to 40khz?
16:53 <Nothing\> that's more than twice what i can hear
17:05 <Nothing\> i guess you can slow it down and make it audible
17:41 <Nothing\> but that seems like kind of a niche use
17:56 <Nothing\> what are you gonna do? record the infrasonic noises your pets make?
18:26 <Nothing\> oh shit actually that reminds me of an experiment i thought of that i need to get to Cody cuz it would be perfect for his channel
18:48 <Nothing\> plus i think there might actually be a scientific paper in it if the person doing it has the right credentials, but it's beyond my resources
20:16 <Nothing\> i was reading how sodium bicarb has no listed melting pointing because it breaks down to sodium carbonate at 50c, so i was thinking just use a vacuum chamber to lower the melting point below 50c, take as many datapoints as you can, pull the hardest vacuum you can before it starts to break down, hope you can boil it and make an even more complete phase diagram
20:31 <Nothing\> cuz a phase diagram isn't much of a phase diagram with one phase on it
20:46 <Nothing\> but in any case i think seeing molten sodium bicarb would be cool
21:14 <Nothing\> then again, i lost my shit the first time i saw frozen benzene so i'm easily amused like that
23:09 <Nothing\> huh, the french word for gasoline is de l'essence
23:58 <Nothing\> lol and italian is gasolio
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28:47 <steve30> o/
35:23 <Nothing\> hey steve30
35:25 <Nothing\> how's it going
39:59 <steve30> i've just put some food on
40:46 <Nothing\> hrm i should do that
40:57 <Nothing\> i kept telling my mom she should make some fast fry steaks last night
41:08 <Nothing\> but she insisted having steak two nights in a row is insanity
41:15 <Nothing\> women, am i right?
41:32 <Nothing\> what the heck did i have...
41:43 <Nothing\> and why can't i remember for the life of me
42:09 * Nothing\ looks in the fridge
42:14 <steve30> i had a chicken sandwich last night, bu i only barely remember it
42:46 <Nothing\> oh that's right, bbq chicken quarter
42:53 <Nothing\> you too, huh?
42:59 <Nothing\> maybe they're putting drugs in our chicken now
43:05 <Nothing\> well, more drugs
44:50 <Nothing\> aoesauitnoeisnaoedisoa
44:59 <Nothing\> why can't i find anything on what the area of an arc is
45:08 <Nothing\> everything it returns is just the area of a sector
45:18 <Nothing\> is there even such a formula?
46:03 <Nothing\> i'm trying to figure out if you had a circle where a square with sides = 1 fits perfectly inside of it
46:21 <Nothing\> what the area of the rest of the circle that the square doesn't cover would be
46:25 <Nothing\> actually wait, it's simple now
46:38 <Nothing\> i just work out the area of the circle and subtract the area of the square, dur
46:43 <steve30> yup
46:55 <Nothing\> guess it's too early for random math problems
47:21 <Nothing\> here i was thinking i'd have to derive the formula for the area of an arc
47:30 <Nothing\> and/or prove it doesn't exist
53:02 <Nothing\> fucking google
53:21 <Nothing\> i search "what's the reciprocal of root 2" cuz i'm too lazy to punch it into my calculator
53:38 <Nothing\> its answer? 1/sqrt(2)
53:43 <Nothing\> GEE THAT'S HELPFUL
54:36 <Nothing\> it's like an episode of bill nye the science guy i remember where he's trying to answer why the sky is blue and his answer is "it's blue because it absorbs all colors of light except blue"
54:42 <Nothing\> WELL DUH, BUT WHY?
55:18 <Nothing\> anyway, to the calculator
04:03 <Nothing\> this doesn't make sense
04:18 <Nothing\> google's giving the area of a circle in units, not units squared
04:50 <Nothing\> unless i just take the square root of it?
06:24 * Nothing\ shrugs
06:28 <Nothing\> too early for this stuff
21:25 <T3sl4> use parentheses
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35:27 <steve30> ebay says my parcel was delivered at 5pm this evening.
35:34 <steve30> Its clever how postmen can time travel now.
56:30 <Nothing\> lol
56:37 <Nothing\> maybe that's EST or something, i dunno
56:47 <Nothing\> but then that would mean they won't get there till like 11pm
56:59 <steve30> nope
57:01 <steve30> "Dropped off at 02-Oct 17:02 BST"
57:47 <Nothing\> i had one incident where a package i got on ali express said it was delivered on a sunday, and i of course never received it, so naturally i assumed i was never going to receive it and demanded a refund.
58:14 <Nothing\> after a lot of fuss with the seller, a week later the parcel finally arrived with postage stickers on it from Ukraine
58:29 <Nothing\> which is completely the wrong direction to what you'd expect a parcel to travel from china
58:32 <Nothing\> to canada
59:33 <Nothing\> i guess it must have traveled through asia and europe over land and then over the atlantic instead of just across the pacific and across canada as would make a lot more sense
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00:52 <Nothing\> argh i hate games that have special stuff hidden in them, but give you absolutely no hint what so ever that these things even exist, much less how to get it. Other than trial and error across multiple 40+ hour playthroughs
01:23 <Nothing\> meanwhile it takes no fewer than 3 playthroughs to get all of the extra stuff
01:55 <Nothing\> and some of it's missable, so you miss something or screw something up in your 3rd playthrough, that's it, gotta start over again from square one
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02:27 <Nothing\> that would be so much more disheartening than when you play an rpg for several hours and forget to save it then die and have to redo everything all over again
03:48 <Nothing\> ah man i'm soooo happy today's the first day in almost 3 weeks i haven't had moderate to severe bowel cramps for reasons which are beyond me
04:08 <Nothing\> thought i was blocked up, but after how much i made myself go with laxatives, there was no chance of that
04:46 <Nothing\> and on top of that, it felt like my prostate was swollen or i had a uti or something. I dunno something down there did NOT feel good at all. Not painful but just extremely uncomfortable.
05:08 <Nothing\> the cramps were painful as hell though. I even found myself vomiting from them 2 nights ago
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06:09 <steve30> i should go to bed
06:10 <Nothing\> wondering if maybe cleaning myself out so thoroughly as i did for the first time in years has let my bowels sort of "spring back" into a normal shape, where before they would have been constantly distended from being overly full
06:14 * steve30 didn't really sleep last night
06:19 <Nothing\> lol steve30 i scared you off :(
06:29 <Nothing\> but no, go to bed. sleep's important
06:31 <Nothing\> and fun
06:45 <steve30> hehe, I have no shortage of poop related issues myself, so it doesn't scare me :)
06:47 <Nothing\> just don't dream about my poop
07:06 <Nothing\> yeah i ask some people about poop cramps and they tell me they've never had them before
07:26 <Nothing\> and i'm just incredulous. I honest to god thought it was something everybody gets at least some time in their life.
07:53 <steve30> don't know if i've ever had bowel cramps
07:56 <Nothing\> but i mean, i've had problems since i was 8 and being on opiates makes it 10x worse so it's not surprising
07:57 <steve30> I might have, can't remember
08:04 <Nothing\> you'd know if you did
08:11 <Nothing\> it's agony made flesh
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08:35 <Nothing\> sends you into a cold sweat, completely incapacitates you, engulfs your entire perception
08:51 <Nothing\> on a scale of 1 to 10 it's definitely an 8 or 9
09:00 <Nothing\> which for me is beyond unbearable
09:20 <Nothing\> on the scale for me, anything over 7 is unbearable, 7 is borderline
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09:46 <Nothing\> 8 is where it starts making it difficult to breathe or stop shaking
10:37 <Nothing\> 10 i couldn't even hope to explain because unless you've been in that much pain you just can't fathom it. But the fact thta the human body's capable of feeling that amount of pain terrifies me to say the least.
11:04 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure i've been there, except maybe for very brief amounts of time
11:41 <Nothing\> actually i'd say i was there the first time i went through withdrawal, considering i actually wanted to kill myself to stop the pain
11:59 <Nothing\> never again
12:12 <Nothing\> anyways, sleep
12:23 <Nothing\> surely it's better than hearing me rant about who knows what
12:36 <Nothing\> trivial rubbish to be sure
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54:10 <Nothing\> man, why did they have to add so many types of magic by final fantasy xii
54:42 <Nothing\> used to just be black and white, now you've got black, white, green, time, red, and i think some other thing
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54:57 <Nothing\> hey Kuschelpony
56:27 <Kuschelpony> yes, Nothing
57:24 <Nothing\> man, i realized that technically i'll probably be a grandfather within the end of the decade
57:44 <Nothing\> i mean i'm estranged from my daughter, but it's not far fetched to think she'd have a kid by the time she's almost 30
58:26 <Nothing\> where does the time go
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58:47 <Nothing\> people still use icechat?
59:00 <watcher> i use it
59:14 <Nothing\> i noticed, heh i haven't seen somebody use it in years
59:21 <Nothing\> at least that i've notied
59:24 <Nothing\> noticed
00:10 <Nothing\> i don't pay as much attention to hostmasks since i'm not an oper in a server constantly on its toes looking for ban evaders and malicious users
00:16 <Nothing\> any longer
04:14 <watcher> the developing of new updates is very slow and i mis some features link to copy from the chat and colored names form users in the chat
04:43 <watcher> when someone uses a usernamer in there talks
05:06 <Nothing\> that's okay, i used an ancient client called xircon that ceased development some time in the early 90s until like 2001
05:27 <Nothing\> it was so underdeveloped, it didn't even have code for anything to do with half ops
05:33 <watcher> but is it still update?
05:38 <Nothing\> nope
05:39 <watcher> *updated
05:42 <Nothing\> never
05:54 <Nothing\> hasn't been touched since the early 90s
06:27 <Nothing\> honestly the client i made my friend write me in qbasic for shits and giggles had more to it
07:09 <Nothing\> it was a cool client, it cycled through the colors of the background and foreground at random, and at a speed you could control yourself
07:39 <Nothing\> so you could make it cycle at say 30hz and make it like a strobe program that doubles as an irc client lol
07:56 <watcher> lol
08:32 <watcher> i am not yet in to writing addons and that sort of stuff for irc
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11:38 <watcher> h Halcyon
11:42 <watcher> * hi
17:16 <Halcyon> Hey there watcher
17:39 <watcher> how is the spring by you?
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19:55 <Halcyon> Gorgeous
20:14 <Halcyon> I'm actually travelling at the moment for work and where I am has been very warm, high 20's to 30 degrees
20:19 <Halcyon> Absolutely stunning weather
21:23 <Halcyon> How are things with you?
22:58 <watcher> good my windows 10 say that it is 15 degrees C and lite rain but there is no rain and a little bit to cold for only a t-shirt outdoors
23:22 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
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